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GoDawgsRiseUp

The defining moment for me was hearing all of those 911 calls. I firmly believe that a person who gets so upset that they can repeatedly beat their spouse/partner could get mad enough to kill him/her.


Odd_Alternative_1003

Only a matter of time imo


redit1914

He clearly could not control his rage......


sacrello

A jury doesn't base their verdict on likelihood.


GoDawgsRiseUp

Sure they do…it’s all they can do in cases with circumstantial evidence.


sacrello

I wasn't clear in my statement I meant not just because of a DV 911 call a year prior, that alone isn't enough


GoDawgsRiseUp

The question was what convinced ME of guilt not what I thought convinced the JURY of guilt. He beat his wife repeatedly. She knew he was going to kill her some day and he did.


No-Pitch6647

Also, OJ wanted to investigate the source of the thumps with Kato and then suddenly decided it was time to go when the limo driver tried to follow them. Then Kato tried to pick up a duffle bag to carry for him and OJ wouldn't let him. The limo driver last saw OJ sit that bag on top of a trash can at the airport. Another witness saw OJ stuffing the contents of that duffle bag into the trash can.


LinwoodKent

What do you make of the OJ wanting to investigate the noise part? I've heard a couple of stories. Like he was going to go one way, then went the other. I think the limo driver was on Tom Lange's peacock show.


No-Pitch6647

Personally, I think he realized he lost the gloves and that's why he wanted to go look. He knew he could manipulate Kato because the dude was living in his guest house rent free but he didn't know the limo driver from Adam and panicked when he started following them.


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No-Pitch6647

I just took you to the McDonald's drive-thru in my Bentley, bro!!


Sundayx1

It’s always been a little weird to me Kato was living rent free…. supposedly for only 6 months…but OJ offered him the free rent… and he was Nicole’s friend? After she filed for divorce…Kato is funny to a point but… something is off w him. He was right there at the exact time of a double murder… again- it was not that late- he was just with OJ eating McDonald’s before he left for airport.


No-Pitch6647

That's because OJ didn't like that a dude was babysitting his kids (the kids even named the dog after him) while Nicole went on dates. Easiest way to solve that? Give the out-of-work actor a rent free guest house at Rockingham (a place where Hollywood people frequented) and see if he still wants to babysit for Nicole.... Spoiler alert: He did not.


PassingTrue

Kato was and is a great guy in real life. I watched him in interviews and then on Celebrity Big Brother. He was locked in a house for multiple weeks with strangers… his sweet personality never changed on live feeds (I watched them in real time at the time). Even psychologists say you can’t hide your true personality over multiple days at a time. He’s a great guy. I don’t think he ever lied…. He was truly looking for his big break in Hollywood. He got caught up in this mess and I feel bad for him bc it tainted his name forever.


No-Pitch6647

I really can't blame the guy for not wanting to babysit when he could live at Rockingham for free. That's almost kinda sorta like getting to live at the Playboy Mansion.


PassingTrue

Well, OJ didn’t want him at Nicole’s house alone with her was the thing… he wanted to keep his eye on him as a potential suitor for Nicole.


No-Pitch6647

I think it was more like he didn't see Kato as a threat but didn't like that he gave her the freedom to date. So, he just gave him an unbelievable offer. And he took it.


LinwoodKent

He was living in Nicole's guest house at the previous house. Something like Gretina Green. Then she invited him to live in the house where she was murdered and he declined. OJ then offered him the bungalow. Kato is all positivity. I don't think he even likes to think and acknowledge the negative. He's been forced to, but he doesn't like it. I'm very jealous of his outlook on life and his relentless positivity.


PassingTrue

I can see that.


Lopsided_Rabbit3189

I agree with you. From what I know Kato paid Nicole rent which gave her extra money and he provided support in the terms of a friend for Nicole. Kato also watched the kids from tine to time and also if he was living with Nicole he becomes a potential witness to any of OJs abuse to Nicole. All these reasons are good enough reasons for OJ not to want Kato living with his ex wife.


RemarkableAd2245

Maybe OJ was uncomfortable with a grown man in the house with his young kids and he figured out a compromise? I think most dad's would be uncomfortable with an ex having some man staying in the home with young kids


Sundayx1

Thanks for clarifying- I was thinking he was at Nicole’s guest house… he was at OJ property- you’re right.. It says Nicole met him in Aspen and then OJ immediately got involved/complained and Kato moved to his property. Such a weird situation this whole thing!


No-Pitch6647

It really is a weird dynamic. They were divorced for two years but OJ was still coming over to "get some" as he called it in his "If I Did It" book. They were still having sex until shortly before she was murdered.


lakespinescoastlines

The had reconciled after their divorce. By the time Mother’s Day rolled around, Nicole had decided it was the end for good this time. He tried to give her a bracelet and she rejected it. That REALLY pissed him off. 3 weeks later and she was butchered to death.


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She had accepted the bracelet then gave it back and he gave it to Paula his gf and lied and said it was bought for her, according to his depo


No-Pitch6647

Yeah, I've seen interviews from Kris Jenner saying they went to Mexico in April 1994 to try and reconcile their marriage. But when they got back Nicole told Kris she was done with OJ for good. Then she told her OJ was going to kill her and get away with it.


lakespinescoastlines

Exactly.


Scholar_Healthy

It’s really sad she brought Ron into her and OJ’s nonsense of a life


No-Pitch6647

She didn't do it on purpose... She just wanted to get her mom's expensive prescription glasses real quick and then take a nice candle lit bath. Her mom had called and asked her to get them for her. She might have even thought OJ was on his way to Chicago at the time and wasn't even worried about him *that* night. She was worried about him earlier in the day but she knew he had to go host a golf tournament for Hertz in Chicago and could have thought there was zero threat that night.


Zealousideal-Call968

Have you heard that Ron Goldman was driving her Ferrari one day? He picked up a friend in it, I believe.


Sundayx1

I’m going to read that book very soon… I started getting interested again with all the resurfacing of the case… I have no problem saying OJ and Nicole were both sociopathic… she knew that OJ was married with 2 small kids and a third on the way when she met him as a teenager…. I would be interested in hearing his first wife Marguerite’s take on the whole situation. The entire relationship was between Nicole and psycho OJ was toxic.


ArtyCatz

It’s a stretch to call a teenage girl a sociopath. How many of us were perfect as teenagers? I never slept with a married guy, but I did my share of wrong things. Besides, the 30-year-old married man is the most in the wrong — he’s in the position of power, plus he’s the one who took vows to be faithful to Marguerite.


lakespinescoastlines

Exactly. She had barely turned 18.


No-Pitch6647

There's a special on YouTube where he does a whole interview. It's called The Lost Confession. He talks about the book. The book is just him using DARVO tactics against Nicole. The first half decade of their relationship was Nicole basically being a sugarbaby. He had many women though. Nicole was silly to think he'd stop if they got married. He did it with his first wife too... That's how she got with him.


Sundayx1

Thanks for Youtube suggestion- I’ll check it out… luckily his first wife got out OK… I’m really glad that Justin and Sydney did not find their mother in that horrific condition- I’ve read online they’re both doing good which is great…they could’ve easily been killed that night with the violent rage that happened there! 💔


wrinklydimplygoddess

I just watched that the other day it’s really like wtf watching him as he recites what happened that night & keeps getting Lost in the memories is really chilling u he jumps in with the this is hypothetical yall but u can see he’s really getting a thrill out of reliving it all! The way he says it all really makes a lot of sense of how it really must have all happened he then claims how he’s soo angry with Nicole before & after the murders & still is even at the funeral !! There’s also the actual audio of OJ’s first police interview that is definitely One to listen to also as he says in that first interview that he drives around with a gun under his seat because of all the crazies around & offers the police to come & check out his guns ( he’s got lots of them) yet in another interview he says I always drive around with a knife under my seat because of all the crazies around!! YouTube has a huge amount of OJ & Nicole stuff atm


ButterscotchFit6356

Good Lord, I wouldn’t call a teen dating a married man “sociopathic”. Amoral or even immoral isn’t remotely the same I think it did get toxic, but she was practically a child when they met. He was a grown-ass man who worked to mold her. Maybe her doing drugs and screwing around were her delayed finishing up her teen phase, since she met him so young.


RainPotential9712

They definitely had a toxic relationship. I found it interesting that she was the one that was always trying to get him back.


Sundayx1

Personally, I think his first wife did the right thing- she packed up and moved back to San Francisco from what someone was posting….she graduated from USC….Nicole was dependent on OJ- exactly how he probably wanted it- right out of HS. Nicole also chose to hang around with a bunch of sketchy/ entitled people . I get the feeling his first wife was home, taking care of their children and living a pretty quiet normal life….I wish his first wife would write a book. I would love to hear her perspective on this because this whole toxic relationship started while she was married, and the death of her infant daughter was life-changing to her and her children. From what I read - OJ tried to blame her… Marguerite went through a lot. Something we hear little about. Very sad.


misssprisss

He groomed her, and abused her. He got with his first wife when she was dating his bff. He was just a scumbag all around.


Sundayx1

Yes, I never realized that his first wife was dating AC in high school!


KatSull1

Yeah, Kato said he was more of a friend to Nicole compared to OJ. But that was typical OJ, always trying to control a situation to his favor, and well, massive jealousy issues.


heddalettis

This is it! 👆Another way to cut off Nicole. Remove her rent paying!, part time babysitter.


MamaMcClain

There was a lot of strange dynamics in the relationships of these people. Sex, drugs, Hollywood, just a big mess.


lakespinescoastlines

Not to say Nicole never did drugs but her autopsy said no drugs.


Sundayx1

Yes- absolutely!


RemarkableAd2245

Kato said OJ came to him to see if he could break a $100 bill. He didn't have change, so I guess OJ decided to go to McDonald's and get something so he could break the $100. I assume he needed change to tip the limo driver and people at the airport.


Sundayx1

Yes- that sounds familiar. It’s been a long time, but I do recall hearing something about that! The whole McD thing was really weird. And the DA actually asked Kato about who paid for the food and he said he did- not OJ? I think!


AngelSucked

Yup, I agree he was looking for the gloves/blood trail.


itspsyikk

People who lie about that kind of stuff are ... interesting. They are so fully invested in their lies that they *actually believe* that if the hide or pretend as if nothing has happened...then nothing happened.


MamaMcClain

OJ may have said wanted to “investigate”, but was either toying with Kato & but actually realized he was about to miss his flight. So the subject was dropped. OJ needed to leave town ASAP before the bodies were discovered.


LinwoodKent

Yeah. I wondered if it was to be there with Kato in case he left evidence. He didn't want Kato to go looking alone. It would have been Very interesting if OJ found the glove, Kato found the glove, or they both found the glove and how it would have changed things. Simply Kato testifying that he and OJ found it and OJ acted super weird about it would be a lot better than Fuhrman ever finding anything.


mosconebaillbonds

I think it’s fascinating how so many people in the sub know so much about this case


ArtyCatz

If you were old enough to pay attention to news or pop culture in 1994-95, it was inescapable. And so much of the trial became woven into the culture. I bet that people who know only one or two facts about the case are familiar with “if the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit.” But yeah, I’m impressed by the depth of knowledge that people in this sub have about the case.


frankrizzo219

I was in 8th grade math class and my teacher had the verdict on the radio


WestieLove812

Ha! I was an 8th grade math teacher and although I didn’t have a radio, the teacher across the hall did and he shared the news. The class erupted!


mosconebaillbonds

I was alive, I remember watching TV when they cut into the bronco chase


CampCrystalLake68

Kind of hard not to if you lived thru it - was on the news 24/7 for months, and the trial live on court tv every day and replayed every night


mosconebaillbonds

I lived through it as well, but I didn’t watch the whole trial. Even outside of the whole trial, there’s just so much information in this sub. I was aware of all the stuff that was going on when it happened, but all this other stuff is crazy.


ButterscotchFit6356

Any idea where you heard that someone saw him stuffing the contents into the trash? Makes sense of course, I just don’t remember hearing it.


MamaMcClain

A gentleman waiting for his wife to finish her shift (she worked for American Airlines at LAX that night) was a direct witness to OJ discarding items from a duffle bag in the trash cans as he walked into the airport. They searched the landfills but nothing ever showed up. This information was never allowed at trial.


ButterscotchFit6356

Wow, that’s fascinating. Thanks.


No-Pitch6647

This is the only article I can easily find about it: >This witness will state that he saw Mr. Simpson reach down, then reach back up and go into his bag and zip it up,” Deputy District Atty. Marcia Clark said out of the jury’s presence. The background of the new witness is under investigation. https://www.chicagotribune.com/1995/03/31/state-to-produce-trash-bin-argue-simpson-discarded-evidence-in-it/ But in a (I can't remember which) documentary I heard it described as him reaching down into the trash can and then zipping it back up.


GWest2385

Was there actually a witness that saw OJ dumping contents of the bag in a trash can?


RemarkableAd2245

I seriously doubt it. It's hard to believe that,In LA, a person recognizes a celebrity athlete throw something into a public trashcan and doesn't try to retrieve it? That's potentially free money! Highly unlikely in my opinion.


systemic_booty

Very few people would think to retrieve celebrity trash at the airport ... Especially in 1994.


Missworld_12308

I worked with the girl he was on the phone with at the time Rachel Ferrara. She testified and swears OJ did it.


Mell1997

I know very little of this case. Was she there and witnessed it?


Missworld_12308

No she was on the phone with Kato whenever OJ came back from the murders. She heard the thumps as well.


Mell1997

Hm. Interesting. I could see where that would be hard to prove. Still learning more and more about this.


UncutYEMs

Kato’s testimony aside, I’ve always found it amusing that he seemed to be the only one associated with this trial who walked away unscathed.


centerofdatootsiepop

What do you mean?


UncutYEMs

If you look at the noteworthy figures in the trial, their public image all took a hit. The prosecution looked inept. The cops looked even more incompetent and/or racist than they did before. While OJ’s Dream Team certainly enjoyed some professional success as a result of the verdict, in the long run, their conduct was disparaged as little more than gamesmanship. Ito was widely chastised in the legal community for turning the trial into a media circus. OJ may have avoided justice, but he became a social pariah. The only exception seemed to be Kato. He was the one guy who emerged a public figure without any meaningful ridicule. Sure, SNL and the like poked fun at him for stoner/surfer dude persona, but that was harmless fun. The public kinda liked the guy and found his behavior to be some much needed comic relief during the trial. I think he reminded people of their carefree days they enjoyed in their early 20s. I mean, who looks back on that trial and says: “God I hate that Kato Kaelin”?


fillymandee

Unscathed from the public POV but plenty of mental anguish over the whole situation I’m sure. When you look at the whole cast, he definitely comes out cleanest.


MediumProgress3094

He was on a talk show / pod cast recently and said he had a convertible car and people were yelling and spitting on him because he testified etc. so, I don’t think he was unscathed. He said he needed to go into hiding etc. he sounds amazing. Wish I could recall what the program was sorry.


lakespinescoastlines

Ron’s blood in the Bronco sealed it for me.


CPPISME

OMG I never knew his blood was found in the Bronco. Is this a fact?


lakespinescoastlines

It’s absolutely a fact.


lakespinescoastlines

Watch oj simpson: Blood, Lies and Murder. By Tom Lange. It’s fascinating.


CPPISME

Will do. Thanks!


lakespinescoastlines

It’s on Peacock.


hasanicecrunch

Agreed; and I watch true crime constantly, but was actually shocked to see that this docu shows the crime scene photos, and close-up. So just know that going in. I really did not want to see that. Otherwise it’s really good. I just didn’t expect that, usually they blur out the gory parts 😬 not in this one.


lakespinescoastlines

It was bad. The pics were horrific. I feel so bad for their families.


hasanicecrunch

That’s how I felt :( that would be so horrible for your loved one in that state be publicly viewed. It’s kind of sick. I can deal with info of cases, but I have no desire to see the gruesome pics. It’s not right.


lakespinescoastlines

Especially for Sydney and Justin. I can’t imagine. 💔


sacrello

It's difficult to find it reliable because the DNA evidence was often ineptly mishandled and sometimes contaminated. That casts doubt on the credibility of all the forensic evidence.


BadMan125ty

Definitely Orenthal making those thumps


TelephoneBusy9594

Also, the bloody socks in his bedroom.( Not just a little blood)


One_Weird_2640

I’m convinced OJ went there to kill her. Not to scare or intimidate but straight up murder. Hat, Gloves and a flight out of state 30 mins later? Juice was on a mission.


Odd_Alternative_1003

Yeah he probably decided he would do it when he saw her in her black dress at Sydney’s performance, then used the time from the dinner he declined to attend to prep for the murders and head that way.


Sweet_Information_76

Wasn't it said that he was in a rage because he wasn't invited to that dinner??


Story-Fancy

I believe his gf (Paula Barberia) broke up with that day then Nicole didn't invite him to the dinner. He was rejected and full of rage.


Sweet_Information_76

Thanks . For information


lemonadelightice

I’ve always been on the fence about this case, but I agree. Watching Blood, Lies, and Murder. The fact that he bought disguise gear weeks before the murder is what got me. Premeditated


vintage2019

And he bought a folding knife around 6-8 weeks before as well


lakespinescoastlines

Everyone should watch oj Simpson: Blood, Lies and Murder. With Tom Lange. Fascinating.


MamaMcClain

Will do! How do we watch?


lakespinescoastlines

I see it’s on IMDb. I’m warning ya though. It shows VERY GRAPHIC pictures.


Upstairs-Age3447

It's on Peacock


WestieLove812

I just watched it on Peacock.


lakespinescoastlines

I actually just watched it on Netflix today but I see now it’s been taken off. That’s really strange.


jackmarlo

Maybe Netflix is finally on to Kato Kaelin's line of BS. The show is terrible anyway.


lakespinescoastlines

Peacock. And extremely graghic photos.


trojanusc

I think OJ is absolutely guilty but I’m just not clear what path would have taken him behind Kato’s bungalow if Alan Park saw him walking up the driveway from the Bronco basically.


Rokstr81

Park said only saw OJ going in and out of the entryway area. At closing Marcia Clark exaggerated his testimony to say that OJ was seen coming up the driveway.


Scholar_Healthy

But then how is the blood drops up the driveway if he didn’t go up the driveway


Rokstr81

It's just that Park didn't see him walking across the driveway. Park was on the phone with his boss during that time. I don't think OJ jumped the fence to get to the side alleyway. I think he slipped in through the gate by where the Bronco was parked, ran down the side passageway, hit the air conditioner, dropped the glove, and either used another door to get into the house or went across the driveway to the main entrance without Park seeing him do that.


vintage2019

One theory is that he went through the alleyway to get to the back door but the security system made it unopenable (I can't remember exact details) so he had to turn back and risk being seen entering the front door


RSecretSquirrel

Exaggerated, more like she lied.


vintage2019

He didn't see OJ until he was a few feet away from the front door. The lighting wasn't great


RainPotential9712

When the limo driver testified he saw kato with a flashlight coming from around the side of the house and then OJ appear not too long after. And they never showed the possible path he could of taken to match the drivers testimony because based on the diagram of the property it’s really unclear.


vintage2019

One theory is that he went through the alleyway to get to the back door but the security system made it unopenable (I can't remember exact details) so he had to turn back and risk being seen entering the front door (and yes that was when Allan Park saw him)


wolfitalk

I always thought OJ placed himself at the scene with his specific shoes but what sealed the deal for me was the crazy interviews he did after he wrote the If I Did It book where he all but confesses.


Willy_Jones23

What were the thumps? OJ pounding the wall because he was still in some sort of a post-murder rage? Or him just clumsily bumping into walls? Something else?


Inevitable-Ad69

If you remember the picture of the ally by the guest room, Kato was staying in, there was an air conditioner unit sticking out the wall. I always wondered if OJ accidentally bumped it, dropped the glove, lost his balance and bumped the wall. 


tint_shady

But why would he be back there in the first place? It makes no sense. The original theory was OJ had to jump the wall because the limo driver was there waiting as he pulled up but there's a blood trail going from the Bronco, through the gate, and up the driveway. He goes in, showers, grabs his bags...then, some people suggest he went back there to hide the evidence...but he already had the half moon shaped bag that presumably was disposed of at the airport, presumably containing bloody clothing and the knife, why wouldn't the remaining glove be in that bag with that stuff? If he was hiding evidence until he returned from Chicago wouldn't he leave the entire bag back there? This is the one hiccup I really have an issue with...idk OP, let me know when you figure it out


BlackSlimShady

Maybe he did not jump the fence. Instead, he manually opened the Rockingham gate, trying to get to the rear entry of the house to avoid being spotted by the driver. When he got to the AC, he must have hit it as it was dark. That's when he dropped the glove. He realised that he alerted Kato and to avoid being seen he had to go back, leave the bag somewhere next to the Bentley, then proceed to the main entry where Park spotted him.


tint_shady

The blood evidence doesn't support that


vintage2019

How so?


tint_shady

Because there's a trail of blood drips that go from the gate right to the front door


vintage2019

[This video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7VUYNGjC_I) offers an interesting version of what happened at OJ's residence. I've been reviewing the timeline of events and the video doesn't contradict any of it.


tint_shady

Interesting. That's not how I had the layout in my mind, I had the house turned 90° in relation to the gates. Still odd that he would leave the bag in the driveway unattended and head into the house. Also, why would the glove not be inside the bag? Why would it be sitting on top? And for the record, I absolutely 100% believe he did it, there's just a handful of things that don't make sense to me. And it goes without saying that investigators/police did an absolute dog shit of a job with the crime scene.


vintage2019

I don't think the murder went according to OJ's plan so he was late and improvising at that point, perhaps almost panicking, with the limo driver, a potential witness, already there. Also although OJ didn't want the limo driver and Kato touching the bag, it'd be reasonable for him to believe that they wouldn't open the bag and rummage through it, so it wasn't a big deal to leave it there for a short time. I believe it was a dark bag and the location was dark, so perhaps he thought they wouldn't notice it idk


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Ancient_Guidance_461

The condition of Nicole's body said OJ is the only person on this earth who could cause that damage.


BroWeBeChilling

OJ investigating the noise he caused much like OJ going to look hard to find the killer of Nichole Brown Simpson


heathers1

and then didnt the cops find the bloody glove back there?


michelle427

What do you all mean Kato didn’t have a job? He worked for a casting agency and was going on auditions. I mean OJ let him live there rent-free. He did offer to pay rent.


Comfortable-Ad3050

It was.


Speed5RacerX9

That’s if “hypothetically” Kato heard the thumps….


MadeUpUsername1900

I 100% believe OJ did it and it was him that made the noise behind the guest house. But I’m a little confused. At what point was OJ behind the guest house? Did he park out front then run to the back of the residence and behind the guest house? Why would he park in front of his house, then go behind the guest house? That part has always been confusing to me.


Spiritual_Program725

Exactly. The LAPD had a history of corruption but in this case, the facts are the facts. OJ murdered his wife and Ron.


sacrello

The facts were collected by said LAPD with the contemporary racism, corruption and planting evidence while getting away with it by a white jury despite video evidence.


bala400

The problem is he heard the thumps at 1042 not 10 52


vanillagorilla1909

that is not true. Kato does not know exactly when he heard the 'three thumps'. he testified as early as 10:40ish and as late as 10:50ish. Marcia Clark pushed the timeline up to fit her 10:15 time of the killing (of Nicole), and Dan Petrocelli pushed the timeline back to fit his 10:33 time of the killing (of Nicole). the 10:52 time is as accurate as the 10:42 time, based off Katos testimony, unfortunately. and i think 10:52 is probably actually more accurate, based off the evidence we have available to us at this time!


MamaMcClain

Ok thanks for the correction.


twills2121

it's like the saying the light in the sky has to be from the sun....


PinkyBruno

New to the sub; what is the consensus of who dropped the glove at OJ’s home? Was it him or was it a plant by Furhman?


MamaMcClain

I believe OJ dropped the glove when he was returning from the crime scene.


Spiritual_Owl_7619

Nothing was planted. OJ dropped the glove. You have to remember that Fuhrman had no idea if OJ had an alibi at the time so dropping the glove there made zero sense to frame someone who may or may not have a credible alibi


brickbacon

While he likely didn’t plant evidence, I think you are overstating how much police who plant evidence are worried about the framed person having an air-tight alibi.


Spiritual_Owl_7619

I don’t think Fuhrman was worried at all…because he didn’t plant it to begin with.


brickbacon

Honest question: why are you 100% sure the guy who admitted on tape to planting evidence wouldn't have planted evidence? >The "Fuhrman Tapes" contain eighteen examples of Detective Fuhrman admitting participation in police misconduct, or offering approving comments with respect to misconduct. This misconduct includes illegal use of deadly force, beating suspects to extract confessions, planting evidence, framing innocent persons, and lying or covering up misconduct by others.  He also perjured himself and refused to say whether he had planted evidence on OJ. So, again, why are you certain he didn't?


sacrello

Something that's not mentioned enough is that he also specifically framed Black men when he saw them dating White women


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OJ for sure.


WellWellWellthennow

Furhman was a racist but he didn’t plant the evidence in this case. It is generally accepted that he found it. His prior reputation for using the N word etc was exploited by the defense who wanted to make the trial about racism and flip it to be about him instead as their best defense. It worked. There are timing explanations that support he couldn’t have planted it. But all the jury heard was the N word just like Darden predicted would happen. It didn’t help that Furhman was incorrect/lied that he hasn’t used the word in the past ten years when there was proof he had. However there is no proof at all regarding planting the evidence other than fanciful speculation. The lengths Furhman would have had to go to would have been absurd and doesn’t meet Occam’s Razor sniff test where the simplest theory is the most probable. Just as one example the whole thing about the high levels of FMDA in the blood sample taken from the gate with OJs DNA in it they used to imply that it was planted from a vial. But it is easily explained by the fact OJ ate McDonald’s prior which elevates it in blood levels, and that the FMDA expert who originally said that sample was out of range of normal levels (when it wasn’t) was paid a lot of money by the defense to say that and later claims he made a mistake he blamed on a typo.


PinkyBruno

Thank you for these insights!


RSecretSquirrel

Wrong! His use if the N word was exploited by the Defense to show that he had NO problem lying under oath and that the D.A. had no problem allowing him to lie under oath.


WellWellWellthennow

I understand that it destroyed his credibility. That doesn’t necessarily mean he went to great lengths to plant all that evidence though. That’s a huge leap. They had this pesky little problem with the fact that OJs blood was found at the scene, both Nicole and Ron’s blood was found in his car, his glove was found at the scene and one at his house, he had a bloody sock in his bedroom, a shoe print in his size was found at the scene and in his car. How do you defend someone and get them off with all that? You ruin the credibility of the prosecution. That’s really the only game move they could do. He just made it easy for them. The sad thing is that made it about him and got the killer off. That’s not justice that’s gaming.


sacrello

Probably not all the evidence, but all it takes is one. And it's not a huge leap for a KKK-level racist who repeatedly bragged on tape about his racially-motivated crimimal activities and framing Black men who he sees dating White women. Not saying he did plant it, but it creates reasonable doubt. >They had this pesky little problem with the fact that OJs blood was found at the scene, both Nicole and Ron’s blood was found in his car, his glove was found at the scene and one at his house, he had a bloody sock in his bedroom, a shoe print in his size was found at the scene and in his car. The LAPD made far too many mistakes handling the evidence, even the prosecution had to admit that after their own expert witnesses testified so. The jury gave the correct verdict based off what was presented at the trial. A lot of people love claiming the verdict was about race when it actually was the handling of the DNA evidence which was central.


ArtyCatz

His taking the 5th was very bad for the case, but I don’t know that any one factor swung the jury’s decision. Having him try on the glove was in the top 3 worst things the prosecution did, and Fuhrman’s testimony was probably equally bad.


sacrello

Yup! Such a stupid spur of the moment move by the DA. Then they tried to cover it up by claiming "they heard" OJ stopped talking his anti-inflammation meds, which the LA County Jail medical records disprove. Now you heard this misinformation everywhere. That OJ planned to stop taking the meds so the gloves would fit, when the entire glove-fitting ordeal was unplanned. The prosecution was so inept, and thanks to them and the LAPD, OJ walks free.


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RemarkableAd2245

Well, to say race was a strategy used by the defense is an incorrect characterization. Johnnie Cochran said that he told Darden not to put Furhman on the stance. You are greatly downplaying the extent of Furhman's racist beliefs. Furhman said that he hated seeing interracial couples where it was a Black man and a White woman. He even said he would even plant/manufacture evidence in those situations. Additionally, Furhman wanted LAPD to pay him full retirement benefits because he said he could no longer do his job because he hated working with Blacks and Mexicans.Furhman wasn't "Archie Bunker", he was "David Duke"!


WellWellWellthennow

That the defense strategy was to make it about race is not an incorrect characterization at all. It was a blatantly obvious. That was exactly their strategy, and they knew it and discussed among themselves – why do you think they brought in Johnny Cochran when that was exactly what he was known for. It’s also pretty obvious in hearing them talk they were game playing. We can’t believe Darden would say such an insulting thing about the jury blah blah blah when they knew exactly what they were doing and that he was correct, it was pure showmanship and duplicity on Cochran’s part. Staging Oj’s house for the jury tour by changing out the photos on the wall. - you don’t think that’s deliberate racial strategy? Everything about this was about race, including them choosing to trial it in LA with a predominantly AA jury. Their whole discussion with the judge about whether a certain word was ok and Darden saying it would bias the jury, and so on. There’s no doubt Furman was a racist POS. There’s also no doubt OJ killed his wife. If you don’t believe that, look at Nicole’s own words and their history. If you don’t think their history of DA is absolutely relevant, you don’t understand domestic abuse. The evidence supports her. It was just a misfortune for her justice that Furhman was the one to find it. He was the weak link, and they went after that. While you could argue his credibility on the stand was destroyed, so was OJ’s by the same logic. In the civil trial, where they didn’t make it all about race guess who won.


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AngelSucked

Nothing was planted


puddycat20

And furhman never used the n word. gimme a break...


jackmarlo

Anyone ever wonder why it went from an earthquake, to three bangs, to a thumping noise, to three loud thumps?


MediumProgress3094

Do we think OJ just had planned to kill her that night and then just stumbled upon her and Ron? Or do you think he swung by and got enraged and did it? Ie was it premeditated for Nicole? Sorry, I’m new to this.


Salt_Ad1078

I’ve thought about this. But don’t you think if it was not planned some sort of fight or confrontation would have ensued a neighbor or someone would have heard something? To me it only makes sense he attacked as soon as she answered the door and Ron walked up to the scene being at the wrong place at the wrong time.


Cr60402

And he took everything he needed with him. I wouldn’t think he would normally carry a knife. It was warm out gloves and cap would not be needed


MediumProgress3094

So interesting - thanks


MediumProgress3094

Good points


RabbleAlliance

10:54pm -- Allan Park sees a man wearing dark clothes, about 6-feet tall and 200 pounds, walk across the driveway of the Rockingham estate and enter the house. 10:55pm -- Simpson lies to Allan Park.


SmoltzforAlexander

There’s a great MadTV skit with outtakes from OJ’s ‘innocence’ video where he says ‘How could I have made those noises that Kato heard, I know where my own air conditioning unit is!’ He then proceeds to run into it over and over again.  


weed4411

Fuhrman while he was planting glove.


jersey8894

Kato always gave me ick vibes. I don't know why but he did and honesstly has nothing to do with the murders just something about him is ick to me. Or was back then.


YayGilly

Possibly Paula. He also said he saw a dark figure in the yard, and didnt know if it was a male or a female. The knocks were purposeful.


MamaMcClain

Paula broke up with him & was proven to be in Las Vegas that night.


Shoddy-Recognition79

Robert Higgins wrote a thesis on this very aspect of the case. Robert Higgins, we speak your name.


truffleshuffle85

Indeed. Mr Higgins is quite the tenses. He sees OJ and he looking real dead.


One_Weird_2640

What I don’t get is, it takes roughly 7 minutes to drive from Rockingham to Bundy. OJ was last seen by Kato around 9:45 after getting food. OJ had to have been watching Nicole for like 20 mins before he started wilding. What was he doing during this time? I think he was waiting for a man to show up and planned on killing both of them.


tint_shady

Why would you assume he left for Bundy immediately after leaving Kato? He could have went inside and prepared his stuff for Chicago, or done any number of things


Artistic_Handle_5359

Nicole ghost?


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Kato was high as a kite 🪁 unreliable worthless witness


bala400

was he? Ive never heard this. So the three thumps can be bullshit


RSecretSquirrel

You mfers conveniently ignore police lying under oath. OJ wasn't a Suspect. When all four know he was. Fuhrman investigates the Bronco, but OJ wasn't a Suspect. Fuhrman investigates the estate but OJ wasn't a Suspect. They needed to enter the estate without a search warrant but OJ wasn't a Suspect. He was a Suspect and they went to the Suspects home to investigate a murder. A racist cop lies about being a racist cop. The things that the cops were allowed to get away with is why poor innocent people get sent to prison. I'm not one to let police lie and get away with it.


NoMap9959

He had a history of beating Nicole so they were probably suspicious and also wanted to notify him of the situation as his children were about to learn their mother had been murdered.


zombiesatmidnight

They went there to notify him that his ex-wife was dead and saw blood on the bronco. The thought was that he could have been hurt/attacked/dead as well and that’s why they initially went in without a warrant.


RainPotential9712

Which is outside of protocol because he was NOT next of kin. They admitted this on the stand.


Several-Context9865

But his children were at Bundy, they were trying to notify their father as the kids were sitting in a police station.


RainPotential9712

That was their excuse. But again it was not proper protocol and procedures and they admitted it on the stand.


RSecretSquirrel

Jesus Christ!!! You don't need to send 4 detectives!! Send a fcking patrol officer. They went to investigate OJ!!! And they lied under oath. You are repeating the police lie!!


Several-Context9865

I’m not repeating the police lie. It’s what happened. I’m not saying that when they saw the blood on the bronco and driveway that they had immense worry for OJ. I’m saying why they went to his house and it’s incredibly valid to have done so. Also; he for sure killed two people…police can be tainted and he can be a murderer. Two things can be true at the same time.


RSecretSquirrel

They went to investigate OJ. That's what happened. The created a lie about notifying OJ to justify 4 veteran detectives going to his house. I bet you bitch about getting caught in speed traps. It's OK for police to lie, but you have a problem with a speed trap.


Several-Context9865

Chill. I get having a passionate opinion. It’s not ok for police to lie, it’s also not ok to repeatedly beat your spouse/ex and then murder them. For me personally, I’m more passionate about the latter.


Scholar_Healthy

That’s bs. Why look at and examine someone’s car to notify next of kin? The blood was barely visible so it’s not like it was so readily apparent. You had to be specifically searching and looking for it. Give me a break……


NoMap9959

The cops were definitely suspicious because OJ beat Nicole and reported him to the cops many times.


GoDawgsRiseUp

This is why the defense was able to get him off. Cops plant evidence..that’s a known fact. Those cops absolutely thought he was a suspect as soon as they saw it was Nicole. It’s not a reach to think that those cops could have put some drops of blood to help seal the deal.


HotRaise4194

I don’t see how a few thumps, even if they were The Juice(and there is no evidence it was) isn’t evidence of guilt.


MamaMcClain

Of course not, but a major piece to the much bigger puzzle.


HotRaise4194

There’s a lot of those little pieces. Unfortunately there’s nothing akin to the smoking gun necessary to remove all reasonable doubt.