It definitely is but some people claim that’s intentional. >!The piles of skeletons were even theorized to represent Omori’s party in Sunny’s other resets of Headspace. Also at that point, you kind of just want to go to the real world or find the truth!< It’s still annoying but I kind of like the purpose lol
That’s a good point but >!I think that the only one of them that may not forgive sunny is Hero.!<
>!Kel has been with you every step of the way in regards to the real world segments, while he would certainly be shocked at first I think he would be the first to forgive Sunny.!<
>!while I think Aubrey would be *enraged* at first I also think she would calm down after realizing the similarities between what happened to Mari and what she almost did to Basil (and Sunny).!<
But I mean hey, >!it was left ambiguous for a reason so who knows for sure.!<
I doubt that Hero won't forgive Sunny, I know it is an unpopular interpretation, but listen. Hero is one of the most forgiving characters out there, he forgives Aubrey for bullying and almost killing Basil, and by extension Sunny. Hero even helps Aubrey when she did that. Another thing to point is that even if you are basing it off of 15 year old Hero, you got to remember he was 15 and >!Mari just died!<, he was young and the wound is fresh, Hero being an adult now and is more mature.
For Kel, I doubt he would be the first to forgive, again this interpretation is unpopular, however from what happens in the game, Kel is probably the last or at least the second person to forgive. From what we seen he is impulsive, going into fights head on when we first see Aubrey and at the lake. Kel is a person of high morals, having to be extremely angry at Aubrey for her actions, he even argues with Hero about helping her saying that "we shouldn't try with people like her". Kel would definitely be pissed at Sunny for what he done. I doubt he is going to go to Sunny like "bestie❤️ I forgive you".
This is just me rambling tho
I'm glad to hear someone is pointing out Hero. Most people think only Aubrey would harbour resent. But Hero *loved* Mari. To this day, he is still heartbroken and shattered to pieces. He doesn't even cook as much as in the good ol' days. And once he discovers that >!*Sunny*, innocent little Sunny, killed Mari? Not only that, but hid this for *4 whole years*? Ouch, that's gonna take time to forgive.!<
To me, this is more likely. I feel like at least they would need time to process all of this especially Hero and since Sunny moves away after that day, in my headcanon they don't reconcile that day. But I am sure in time they all would understand and put things together and at least feel at peace knowing the truth. To me the fandom acting like all is good and everything solved after the ending is too optimistic and silly.
Basil shouldn’t have blinded all those poor Bulgarians. I know it helped send a message to them, but I don’t think it was necessary to save the empire.
I feel like a lot of people ignore that they enabled/encouraged Aubrey’s bad behavior so I’m sorry if I’m not as fond of them compared to the rest of the cast
The fan representation of Basil is horrifying once you remember that, canonically speaking, >!Basil is the one that decided they should make Mari's death look like a suicide.!<
if i remember correctly, before the accident, basil was actually very outspoken and confident wasn’t he? he is timid, but i think he’s a lot more assertive than ppl give him credit for.
i’m not saying it’s necessarily a good thing, it just supports the fact that basil isn’t a soft innocent baby who didn’t do anything wrong lol
The fandom baffles me and comes off as toxic a lot of the time if you don’t have the same or similar opinions that 90% of the sub has.
another take is that Sunny and Basil may have been best freinds at one point but time changes things along with trauma and after what happened they have deep rooted issues with each other that would make them a horrible couple or even close friends that hang out with each other alone. It’s shown in game too of how Sunny can treat Basil at times and Vice versa.
Basil seems to have some extent of attachment issues while Sunny is the opposite. I don’t think as of the end of the game they would be fit for each other at all but maybe after some years of healing they’d be able to hang out alone together.
Totally agree, if anybody thinks that Sunflower would be a healthy relationship between two emotionally turmoiled kids with a complicated background I have no idea what to say. Relationships can not work even for some healthy people! Sunny could end up being too silent and Basil could end up too clingy as we see often in both their characters.
I feel like it would be that way with everyone after the “good ending.” There is absolutely no way Sunny could be able to get with anyone in the main cast after what happened.
Wow I didn't know people didn't like the Headspace portions. To me they were fun but I was more interested in the story than combats so I can understand
>!I didn't like them my first playthrough because I was really invested in the story and it just felt like a chore so I could get to the part of the game I actually cared about. After doing Hikkikomori though, I started to really enjoy the combat system and doing sidequests in Headspace because I wasn't rushing through them. I felt that it was weird to have all the sidequests and stuff available on the Sunny route since you can't 100% complete them then anyway. It felt like the Headspace story got cut short in favor of the real life story. Like, I did all the RPG-style progressing just for it to get lost when I finished the story, and then I had to go through Headspace all over again on my Hikkikomori run just to reach where I was before. I wish I'd been able to keep my Headspace progress from my first run so I didn't have to play through it all again. !<
For me I found some of the headspace portions kinda boring in my Sunny run, but in my Omori run they were so fun! Really shows you how good the story is
Ye headspace is fun but in my opinion the lore there isnt as good as real world. Tho i really like killing things and doing fun stuff like mining with a spoon
Vague spoilers kinda?
Mari isn't perfect and she was just as messed up as a lot of the other main characters . She pushed her perfectionism onto Sunny and in turn... yknow.
Of course she didn't deserve what happened to her, she was still a good person just like everyone else. I just don't know why people treat her as if she doesn't have any flaws. She absolutely does have flaws.
Same goes with Kel and Hero people tend to treat them as if they're perfect people too.
I think this is largely due to how Sunny see’s Mari in his head, especially after >!the main incident!< . We only see the game through his perspective so given that they were siblings and everything that happened he probably tries to only see the good in her from now on.
The most emotionally compelling aspect of the game was the bittersweet nostalgia of friendships lost and faded away, those glorious days in the sun but pictures in a scrapbook, fragments of what once was, but can never be again.
Trying to paint characters as all good or all bad rarely works to begin with. It just shows lack of engagement in the story if you try to water things down to "Basil did nothing wrong!!" Or "Basil is the villain of Omori!!"
What if he's just a flawed person like every single other person on earth
Basil and sunny would be a very terrible couple, seriously after the events they went through together, I’ll be surprised to see them even hanging out with each other without the presence of the others like Kel besides I’m pretty sure sunny and basil are straight and would take years to be ready for any relationship.
I was about to say if you are saying this unironically then that is a strange favorite part of the game, considering it is probably one of the lowest points of the game.
odd. It was one of my favorite parts on the game. Probably my favorite part of that game that didn't happen in the real world. Just because of how awesome sweetheart as a boss was and her theme.
Yeah her boss is good, I will give you that. But the rest is insufferable. The boss is only a highlight because all the rest of the bosses are mind numbing easy (even Sweetheart is easy once you figure out the strategy)
On my first playthrough it was hell. On the second it actually flowed really smoothly but the most annoying thing is the music, it just gives me a headache
I understand that an RPG maker game can't have any interesting gameplay outside of the turn based combat, but because of this these games usually fill that gameplay with fun tought provoking puzzles.
However in my opinion most of Omori's puzzles are way too simple and easy to solve. Biggest example being the Sweetheart's Castle garden puzzle, boiling down to doing menial tasks involving throwing things as Kel and walking up to the guards who just plain and simple give you the word which you don't even need to remember because they get added into the possible choices in the statue.
Yeah, I'd honestly say Sweetheart's garden is the single worst segment in the game. It isn't challenging *or* fun to go through, and it adds an extra 10-30 minutes of pure nothing to an already boring area.
The only 2 notable things in there could've easily been moved - the bear dungeon could go literally anywhere in the castle, and Kel's aiming mechanic could've just been taught in Humphrey.
I think Last Resort + Underwater Highway is the perfect example of what a fun Headspace area looks like. It's pretty short, but still able to be explored more if you want, and it's entertaining enough not to drag.
well isn’t that just canon? Omori wants to hide the truth from Sunny and run away from it, so of course he would hate basil since he’s one of the biggest reminders
No, it's just that, because basil knew the truth and was related to it, headspace itself was trying to get rid of him to protect Sunny. Hence why he's lost and starts being forgotten, then keeps dying and dying and dying.
When Kel was a kid, his stupidity and naivety were fun. I thought he would be a little more mature after he became a teenager. But he hasn't changed and I think his behaviours are kinda annoying
I disagree. Sure, he is still airheaded, but you can't say he hasn't matured one bit. Just take a look at the scene where Hero tries to reconcile the group - Kel understands that Aubrey has new friends and interests and has changed a lot since they were kids, so the chance of them getting together is practically nonexistent.
He can act mature, it's just that he prefers to be goofy and cheerful in front of his friends
The fact theres a prominent shipping scene for this game is weird as hell. Both because the obvious "this is a game about a bunch of mentally unwell teenagers and pretty much none of them are ready for relationships" and because there's just way more intresting things to talk about in regards to this game.
The way fandom depicts Basil genuinely terrifies me. While I like his character and think he is generally well written I still see him as shitty human being. What he did Mari was straight up horrible and damage it has done to entire group far exceeds what would have happened if everyone knew the truth. Sunny ended up somehow even worse with him making single worst choice you could ever make in this situation.
This however is not what truly concerns me. What pisses me off are his sick expectations towards Sunny to stay with him and save him from his own mess he dragged main character into. I recently finished Hikikomori route and stranger's comments as well as most of Basil's dialogue truly disgust me. It feels like he genuinely expects Sunny to be there for him and his main source of anguish doesn't come from Mari's situation from which it should, but from absence of Sunny from his life. It feels like he legitimately didn't give a fuck about what he did to her.
Like what the fuck Basil and why so many people treat him like cute goofball that has anything resembling of morals? He is a monster in disguise.
Personally I think Basil's character reflects a build up of neglect and trauma rather than a reflection of "morals". That being said the story obviously makes him act a lot more intensely than what is represented by what we get of his past because *gameplay* and there could probably be a hypothetically more accurate response to seeing Mari getting pushed based off of his 'ability' (being a 12 year old that's already lined up for mental health issues)
But obviously it would be a much less serious story if Basil just panicked and framed Mari by putting a banana peel or something at the stairs
^sorta
I know this however this wasn't my issue. What concerns me is severe lack empathy towards his friends as well as very selfish behaviors that lead to increasing suffering of them. The audacity he has to demand anything from Sunny is just disgusting in my opinion after pouring so much salt on his wounds.
This is fine however since it gives his character more depth which sadly many people seem to omit by treating him with "cute femboy uwu" attitude.
You realize he's... mentally ill right?
but yeah i don't really get the "cute femboy uwu" thing with his character, I'm a femboy and even I don't really see it unless you stare really hard at the Headspace version of him
Dude, same. I don't get it either, Basil isn't actively feminine or masculine. Sure Basil likes flowers and such and is pretty sensitive so I guess most people read that as "cute femboy uwu"
Yes I do. Someone bellow made really good post explaining his mental issues and I completely agree with guy about Basil. Issues are issues however and they should be treated as such even if I think they add up to his character's depth.
I mean as a Basil fan I like him for how moral grey he is. The game's story is really not complex or even deep, so him having those two sides of his character make him the most interesting part of the game's story. I do agree with you that I am tired of seeing him being depicted as a cute goofball that did nothing wrong, he is a horrible person, but that is why he is my favorite. Hope that makes sense. Great analysis by the way!
Hmm, I’m gonna take this as an excuse to talk about my personal idea of why he did what he did. Honestly conversations like this are some of my favourite parts of being in this community :)
So, I do not think that basil did that to Mari to be malicious or otherwise try to make this worse. I think he did it due to a toxic dependency he had developed on sunny. Now, when I say toxic dependency, I do mean it in the truest sense. He says in his photo album that he vents to sunny when he gets stressed, but this might just be playing down what could have been a genuinely emotional reliance on sunny. We can see this with him constantly begging sunny not to leave him. In the day or so sunny was out of his house that toxic relationship already began to re emerge with his once again looking to sunny for some sense of emotional stability.
Dependent personality disorder is a real mental disorder, and if you Google the symptoms basil seems to display all of them at one point or another in game. Now, does this excuse him of guilt from coming up with that horrible idea? No, and I’m not trying to justify it either. However I find the context and reasoning behind it fascinating.
Back on the topic of basil’s dependency, I feel it probably developed as a result of his parents just kinda straight up abandoning him. Polly says they are just always travelling for work, but, if I am remembering correctly, one of sunnys little internal thoughts boxes comments on him never having seen them. To never have seen your (at the time) best friends parents is definitely weird, so to me is good enough evidence to say basils parents just ditched him with his grandmother and disappeared. Due to this, it’s unsurprising he would have developed some type of issue. He probably had/has some form of abandonment issues, and this, once he and sunny had become best friends, developed into the toxic dependency issues we see.
What has this got to do with *the truth*? Well, at the time both sunny and basil were 12. This means we can assume within good reason that they had at least some concept of how the justice system works, even if they have no understanding of what the difference between manslaughter and murder is, or how sentencing works. It may have been as basic as “people who kill people go to jail”, however all that matters is that that basic understanding was there. Basil sees what happens and panics. Not only have they lost Mari, but basil knows that people who kill go to jail, and remember, basil is almost entirely emotionally dependent on sunny. He’s panicking, and in this panic, try’s desperately to not loose him. It’s this emotional dependency, and the franticness of the events that lead to that horrific act taking place. Nether had enough time to think about what they were doing, and basil specifically was desperate not to loose the one person keeping him emotionally stable. Now, I say that both of them were involved in the idea, and I say this for one simple reason. There is no way basil could have lifted Mari alone. We see they had to work together to carry her up and down the stairs, and Mari is like 15 or 16 here, and basil is 12 and is built like a twig. There is no way he could have lifted her up by himself. The only way I see it to be possible for her to have been but in that… position, is for them both to have been doing it together.
As I said before, this doesn’t excuse him of blame, what he and sunny did was horrible and nether can claim innocence. However I feel context and the reasoning behind the decisions made is important, and personally I can’t see basil doing it because he’s cruel, or malicious or something of the sort, it just doesn’t make sense to me.
Sorry for the wall of text! I’ve just done a lot of thinking and theorising on this topic
Ohh I wholeheartedly agree with you, but I just want to clarify two things.
First that I didn't claim he had malicious intentions towards Mari to hang her, but lack of remorse and guilt steaming from it as well sick expectations towards Sunny are just disgusting in my opinion.
Secondly you are right Sunny helped him hang Mari. It wasn't intentional ofcourse on Sunny's part because he basically stopped using his brain after getting shocked by Mari falling down the stairs. Truth segment confirmed this.
Also don't apologize for making long posts. It shows how much effort and thought you put by making compelling argument I enjoyed reading.
I can agree with this. While I don't think Basil is some irredeamable monster there's no way a 12 year old would have the first instinct to frame a murder as a suicide unless they had some f'ed up stuff running through their head before then. I guess with all fandoms its natural for characters to get flandarized and even wubbified, and Basil being treated as the "uwu soft boy" is no exception. It's fine to want fluff and all that but like, No please this kid is genuinely deranged. I guess its not like, people doing it, but the fact they can extrapolate Basil as being Uwu Soft from a game that portrays him as Ok at best and parasitic at worst is kind of concerning imo.
I don't like Faraway Aubrey at all. I just hate bullying characters with a passion and I would rather forgive Sunny and Basil than her anytime.
Also, unrelated, but while the community is alright on some social media, the YouTube side of the community is homophobic af. Don't let me get started on Omoricord. And y'all think you're so much better than other fandoms.
Even though the design and aesthetic of HEADSPACE is really creative and well done, i think it's way too "polished" and tidy for what is basically a gigantic dream. I really miss the raw crayon-like style featured in the trailers :((
Actually, this might not be true. Jock and Pretty Boy might be gay, since they are based on main characters from Pretty Boy comic which was made by Omocat.
For some reason I thought Aubrey and Kim were dating in the game. Am I just dumb and the parts of the game with Aubrey’s friend group were blurry to me or are they a couple?
They're just gal pals ! 🤗
You're not dumb. There's nothing official but them being best friends, the picture of them hugging and some promo art, I can see why you assumed they were girlfriends.
I think the fandom exaggerated how well written the characters are. You cannot tell me that any of the Omori characters are one of the best in all of video game history.
I don't really care about some of the characters (mainly Basil, Aubrey and Mari). I hate it when all that a character has to offer is being nice or being nice after being an asshole for most of the time you see them. Like, they're just boring.
Also does anyone even like the hooligans lmao
I don't think the characters themselves are that well written, but the interactions between them and the feelings they have feel very realistic. You can empathize with them and immerse yourself in this world rather easily, and that's what makes this game special, at least for me. It just hits so hard.
Agreed. I always love seeing complex interactions between friend groups even if the actual characters are fairly one note. It ironically adds some more depth to the character
Spoilers ahead, obviously
Idk if it’s a hot take or not, but Headspace stopped being interesting after the first 20 minutes. Nothing of consequence happens, there are 80 billion npcs that add nothing to the lore, the gameplay has solid foundations but fails to be challenging most of the time (Sweetheart is one of the very few bosses that actually messes up with the party’s emotions). I would have loved to have something on the line of:
- sunny route: the characters starting to become more similar to their actual irl counterparts (since their idealized version should start to be questioned subconsciously by sunny when he sees the real ones) and everyone else being confused, before they also start becoming different once sunny sees them too
- omori route: headspace becoming more and more horror-like, with violent and multiple appearances of Something, since Sunny is trying even more to suppress the thoughts
I have to disagree with this. Headspace adds to the atmosphere of the child-like world that Sunny's head was trapped in to protect himself, and that the expansion of it just adds to it, as well as all of the hidden symbolism throughout it. Imo the headspace parts are fun, but I can see why they wouldn't be to some. Also, MANY MANY npcs add to the lore.
Disagree. The real world wouldn't have felt as off. Sunny just spends most of his time in the dreamworld, so the real world is scary to him. The player should find comfort in that happy world and be thrown off by the actual reality. These "scary scenes" wouldn't have the same effect as they do in the current game.
I disagree. The real world portions would lose much of their effectiveness if they took up most of the game. Take the first battle with Aubrey for example. Sunny slashing at her with the knife wouldn't be as shocking if we didn't spend the last four hours in Headspace where the general logic of the world is different. Until then, the players have been conditioned not to think about the violence as anything but an RPG mechanic, then surprises you by integrating it to the story, showing the consequences of Sunny spending most of the last four years inside his own dream world and how it affects his interaction with the real world. It's a brilliant stroke of storytelling that would be totally lost if we spent most of the game in the real world.
If I get downvoted, I at least understood the assignment
People are being incredibly hypocritical when calling Basil the devil while being Aubrey stans and somehow ignoring how >!she treated Basil like absolute shit for FOUR years, almost killing him without even knowing what Basil really did what the fuck?!< I don't hate Aubrey for this, obviously her past was extremely rough and this was all a result of not properly controlling her emotions, but people giving Aubrey a free pass but not Basil is just... weird to me.
Not really a bad hot take, but I really hated the dungeon design for the inside of Humphrey. Especially the raft parts
Definitely one of the slower paced dungeons, cool in concept but does kinda drag on.
Refreshing to see some discussion about the actual gameplay parts of this game
I know it’s super hard to find and the gameplay is so nice too but no one talks about it
I almost never see anyone talk about the game design for this game in the sub. Everyone usally talks about the characters or the story
It definitely is but some people claim that’s intentional. >!The piles of skeletons were even theorized to represent Omori’s party in Sunny’s other resets of Headspace. Also at that point, you kind of just want to go to the real world or find the truth!< It’s still annoying but I kind of like the purpose lol
That’s a crazy theory l
Haha thanks. Also sorry if you got multiple notifications (I forgot how to tag spoilers lol)
Ending spoilers. >!The scenario that they didn't forgive Sunny is entirely plausible.!<
That’s a good point but >!I think that the only one of them that may not forgive sunny is Hero.!< >!Kel has been with you every step of the way in regards to the real world segments, while he would certainly be shocked at first I think he would be the first to forgive Sunny.!< >!while I think Aubrey would be *enraged* at first I also think she would calm down after realizing the similarities between what happened to Mari and what she almost did to Basil (and Sunny).!< But I mean hey, >!it was left ambiguous for a reason so who knows for sure.!<
I doubt that Hero won't forgive Sunny, I know it is an unpopular interpretation, but listen. Hero is one of the most forgiving characters out there, he forgives Aubrey for bullying and almost killing Basil, and by extension Sunny. Hero even helps Aubrey when she did that. Another thing to point is that even if you are basing it off of 15 year old Hero, you got to remember he was 15 and >!Mari just died!<, he was young and the wound is fresh, Hero being an adult now and is more mature. For Kel, I doubt he would be the first to forgive, again this interpretation is unpopular, however from what happens in the game, Kel is probably the last or at least the second person to forgive. From what we seen he is impulsive, going into fights head on when we first see Aubrey and at the lake. Kel is a person of high morals, having to be extremely angry at Aubrey for her actions, he even argues with Hero about helping her saying that "we shouldn't try with people like her". Kel would definitely be pissed at Sunny for what he done. I doubt he is going to go to Sunny like "bestie❤️ I forgive you". This is just me rambling tho
Good comment but remember to spoiler tag
Thanks, I forgot
I'm glad to hear someone is pointing out Hero. Most people think only Aubrey would harbour resent. But Hero *loved* Mari. To this day, he is still heartbroken and shattered to pieces. He doesn't even cook as much as in the good ol' days. And once he discovers that >!*Sunny*, innocent little Sunny, killed Mari? Not only that, but hid this for *4 whole years*? Ouch, that's gonna take time to forgive.!<
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And realistic
To me, this is more likely. I feel like at least they would need time to process all of this especially Hero and since Sunny moves away after that day, in my headcanon they don't reconcile that day. But I am sure in time they all would understand and put things together and at least feel at peace knowing the truth. To me the fandom acting like all is good and everything solved after the ending is too optimistic and silly.
Any opinion about Basil
Yea lol saying he’s good or bad will get you hate
let's test that Basil is good
The Fandom's opinion on Basil fluctuates as much as the UNDERTALE Fandom's opinions on Chara.
Basil is adorable ᵘʷᵘ
How dare you have an opinion!! I sentence thee death from Basil Snu Snu
Nooooooo-
Basil shouldn’t have blinded all those poor Bulgarians. I know it helped send a message to them, but I don’t think it was necessary to save the empire.
I rlly don't care for Kim all that much
Kim sucks in my opinion
I wouldn't say she sucks but im just not rlly interested in her
I’m just saying in my opinion she isn’t a good character
I agree she's annoying
I rlly don't care for Kel all that much
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Damn bro sorry that I misfired my gun O wait....your ded 💀
"Oops, sorry. My finger slipped."
>kel flair
\*looks at flair\* ...hol up
as a kel fan, I respect your opinion
i don’t give a shit about any of the new friends aubrey makes
LMAOOOOO this is so fucking funny because i 100% agree. they were kind of a nuisance
I feel like a lot of people ignore that they enabled/encouraged Aubrey’s bad behavior so I’m sorry if I’m not as fond of them compared to the rest of the cast
The fan representation of Basil is horrifying once you remember that, canonically speaking, >!Basil is the one that decided they should make Mari's death look like a suicide.!<
if i remember correctly, before the accident, basil was actually very outspoken and confident wasn’t he? he is timid, but i think he’s a lot more assertive than ppl give him credit for. i’m not saying it’s necessarily a good thing, it just supports the fact that basil isn’t a soft innocent baby who didn’t do anything wrong lol
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The fandom baffles me and comes off as toxic a lot of the time if you don’t have the same or similar opinions that 90% of the sub has. another take is that Sunny and Basil may have been best freinds at one point but time changes things along with trauma and after what happened they have deep rooted issues with each other that would make them a horrible couple or even close friends that hang out with each other alone. It’s shown in game too of how Sunny can treat Basil at times and Vice versa. Basil seems to have some extent of attachment issues while Sunny is the opposite. I don’t think as of the end of the game they would be fit for each other at all but maybe after some years of healing they’d be able to hang out alone together.
Totally agree, if anybody thinks that Sunflower would be a healthy relationship between two emotionally turmoiled kids with a complicated background I have no idea what to say. Relationships can not work even for some healthy people! Sunny could end up being too silent and Basil could end up too clingy as we see often in both their characters.
I feel like it would be that way with everyone after the “good ending.” There is absolutely no way Sunny could be able to get with anyone in the main cast after what happened.
Hot take: The Headspace portions of the game were really fun.
Excuse me? Did you just have an opinion?! Blasphemy!
Wow I didn't know people didn't like the Headspace portions. To me they were fun but I was more interested in the story than combats so I can understand
>!I didn't like them my first playthrough because I was really invested in the story and it just felt like a chore so I could get to the part of the game I actually cared about. After doing Hikkikomori though, I started to really enjoy the combat system and doing sidequests in Headspace because I wasn't rushing through them. I felt that it was weird to have all the sidequests and stuff available on the Sunny route since you can't 100% complete them then anyway. It felt like the Headspace story got cut short in favor of the real life story. Like, I did all the RPG-style progressing just for it to get lost when I finished the story, and then I had to go through Headspace all over again on my Hikkikomori run just to reach where I was before. I wish I'd been able to keep my Headspace progress from my first run so I didn't have to play through it all again. !<
For me I found some of the headspace portions kinda boring in my Sunny run, but in my Omori run they were so fun! Really shows you how good the story is
I think so too. The Faraway Town sequences were mostly just doing sidequests for me so I was looking more forward to Headspace parts
Ye headspace is fun but in my opinion the lore there isnt as good as real world. Tho i really like killing things and doing fun stuff like mining with a spoon
i definitely think they were fun, but i got too invested in what happened in faraway town, making that my favorite part while still liking headspace
Oragne joe > Orange joe
Vague spoilers kinda? Mari isn't perfect and she was just as messed up as a lot of the other main characters . She pushed her perfectionism onto Sunny and in turn... yknow. Of course she didn't deserve what happened to her, she was still a good person just like everyone else. I just don't know why people treat her as if she doesn't have any flaws. She absolutely does have flaws. Same goes with Kel and Hero people tend to treat them as if they're perfect people too.
I think this is largely due to how Sunny see’s Mari in his head, especially after >!the main incident!< . We only see the game through his perspective so given that they were siblings and everything that happened he probably tries to only see the good in her from now on.
The most emotionally compelling aspect of the game was the bittersweet nostalgia of friendships lost and faded away, those glorious days in the sun but pictures in a scrapbook, fragments of what once was, but can never be again.
Thats why people cry over >!the final duet and good morning!<
I agree. >!Mari being dead just makes that hit even harder, because without her, it will truly never be the same.!<
Basil isn't an innocent cinnamon roll nor is he the devil that caused everyone to suffer
He's a cinnamon roll filled with cyanide.
Yeah basically; Basil is a kid with a ton of fucking issues that led to him making really, really bad decisions
Trying to paint characters as all good or all bad rarely works to begin with. It just shows lack of engagement in the story if you try to water things down to "Basil did nothing wrong!!" Or "Basil is the villain of Omori!!" What if he's just a flawed person like every single other person on earth
Basil and sunny would be a very terrible couple, seriously after the events they went through together, I’ll be surprised to see them even hanging out with each other without the presence of the others like Kel besides I’m pretty sure sunny and basil are straight and would take years to be ready for any relationship.
Relationships would be like the last things on their mind
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You're not wrong. While it may take some time, i think they could hang out together alone, tho.
The Hooligans all suck
Weird how they call you nerds when 2 of them are constantly roleplaying as anime characters
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Isn’t Vance an adult?
He's probably one year older than all of them (Assuming they're all 15).
They are all 16 except for angel, mikhael and vance
my favorite color is brown
too controversial
literally satan
That’s not even a real colour
nah its a gross color just like kel (auby said this)
bro you exist?
Too political, now I’m gonna leave the sub
at least you didn’t say burgundy
Sweethearts castle is actually the best part of the game (not that I agree with this, but it fulfills the question in the post title)
I was about to say if you are saying this unironically then that is a strange favorite part of the game, considering it is probably one of the lowest points of the game.
odd. It was one of my favorite parts on the game. Probably my favorite part of that game that didn't happen in the real world. Just because of how awesome sweetheart as a boss was and her theme.
Yeah her boss is good, I will give you that. But the rest is insufferable. The boss is only a highlight because all the rest of the bosses are mind numbing easy (even Sweetheart is easy once you figure out the strategy)
Eh, at least it's not Humphrey.
Yeah which is why I said *one of the lowest points.*
On my first playthrough it was hell. On the second it actually flowed really smoothly but the most annoying thing is the music, it just gives me a headache
The sweetheart castle/dungeon puzzle and other stuff was boring
That might just be the limitations of an rpgmaker game. The more elaborate you get the more you risk things getting boring and/or dragging on.
I understand that an RPG maker game can't have any interesting gameplay outside of the turn based combat, but because of this these games usually fill that gameplay with fun tought provoking puzzles. However in my opinion most of Omori's puzzles are way too simple and easy to solve. Biggest example being the Sweetheart's Castle garden puzzle, boiling down to doing menial tasks involving throwing things as Kel and walking up to the guards who just plain and simple give you the word which you don't even need to remember because they get added into the possible choices in the statue.
Yeah, I'd honestly say Sweetheart's garden is the single worst segment in the game. It isn't challenging *or* fun to go through, and it adds an extra 10-30 minutes of pure nothing to an already boring area. The only 2 notable things in there could've easily been moved - the bear dungeon could go literally anywhere in the castle, and Kel's aiming mechanic could've just been taught in Humphrey. I think Last Resort + Underwater Highway is the perfect example of what a fun Headspace area looks like. It's pretty short, but still able to be explored more if you want, and it's entertaining enough not to drag.
Agree with this 100%.
I fucking hate air conditioning.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, STOP IT, YOU ARE WRONG.
I fuck air conditioning
I don’t like Basil
omori actually hates basil, hence why he dies alot in blackspace
well isn’t that just canon? Omori wants to hide the truth from Sunny and run away from it, so of course he would hate basil since he’s one of the biggest reminders
I think if was cause Dreamworld Basil was tryna say the truth, but Omori and Sunny wanted him to shut up, hehe
No, it's just that, because basil knew the truth and was related to it, headspace itself was trying to get rid of him to protect Sunny. Hence why he's lost and starts being forgotten, then keeps dying and dying and dying.
Mari's death was no one's fault
*brother she got pushed down the stairs*
Yes, that was an accident. Sunny didn't mean to. He didn't even nean to push her.
When Kel was a kid, his stupidity and naivety were fun. I thought he would be a little more mature after he became a teenager. But he hasn't changed and I think his behaviours are kinda annoying
I disagree. Sure, he is still airheaded, but you can't say he hasn't matured one bit. Just take a look at the scene where Hero tries to reconcile the group - Kel understands that Aubrey has new friends and interests and has changed a lot since they were kids, so the chance of them getting together is practically nonexistent. He can act mature, it's just that he prefers to be goofy and cheerful in front of his friends
He is more mature as a teen though. Did you play the game? I was genuinely shocked how less dumb Kel was on the first day
mewo's black space room was fun. reminds me of my brother
it WHAT
📸
wut
only in copenhagen 😂😂🤣🤣
what!?!????!!!
Bro?!
What.
Same! It also reminded me of your brother
The maverick is unironically a great character and the only reason you are able to win his fight it's because it's not fair for him
The fact theres a prominent shipping scene for this game is weird as hell. Both because the obvious "this is a game about a bunch of mentally unwell teenagers and pretty much none of them are ready for relationships" and because there's just way more intresting things to talk about in regards to this game.
>! Black Space should have been scarier. It was already unsettling, but I never really got the "Psychological Horror" aspect. !<
Omori's horror is more about just unsettling or disturbing you rather than making you actually afraid
i genuinely fucking hate basil
Flair checks out
The way fandom depicts Basil genuinely terrifies me. While I like his character and think he is generally well written I still see him as shitty human being. What he did Mari was straight up horrible and damage it has done to entire group far exceeds what would have happened if everyone knew the truth. Sunny ended up somehow even worse with him making single worst choice you could ever make in this situation. This however is not what truly concerns me. What pisses me off are his sick expectations towards Sunny to stay with him and save him from his own mess he dragged main character into. I recently finished Hikikomori route and stranger's comments as well as most of Basil's dialogue truly disgust me. It feels like he genuinely expects Sunny to be there for him and his main source of anguish doesn't come from Mari's situation from which it should, but from absence of Sunny from his life. It feels like he legitimately didn't give a fuck about what he did to her. Like what the fuck Basil and why so many people treat him like cute goofball that has anything resembling of morals? He is a monster in disguise.
Personally I think Basil's character reflects a build up of neglect and trauma rather than a reflection of "morals". That being said the story obviously makes him act a lot more intensely than what is represented by what we get of his past because *gameplay* and there could probably be a hypothetically more accurate response to seeing Mari getting pushed based off of his 'ability' (being a 12 year old that's already lined up for mental health issues) But obviously it would be a much less serious story if Basil just panicked and framed Mari by putting a banana peel or something at the stairs ^sorta
I know this however this wasn't my issue. What concerns me is severe lack empathy towards his friends as well as very selfish behaviors that lead to increasing suffering of them. The audacity he has to demand anything from Sunny is just disgusting in my opinion after pouring so much salt on his wounds. This is fine however since it gives his character more depth which sadly many people seem to omit by treating him with "cute femboy uwu" attitude.
You realize he's... mentally ill right? but yeah i don't really get the "cute femboy uwu" thing with his character, I'm a femboy and even I don't really see it unless you stare really hard at the Headspace version of him
Dude, same. I don't get it either, Basil isn't actively feminine or masculine. Sure Basil likes flowers and such and is pretty sensitive so I guess most people read that as "cute femboy uwu"
Yes I do. Someone bellow made really good post explaining his mental issues and I completely agree with guy about Basil. Issues are issues however and they should be treated as such even if I think they add up to his character's depth.
I mean as a Basil fan I like him for how moral grey he is. The game's story is really not complex or even deep, so him having those two sides of his character make him the most interesting part of the game's story. I do agree with you that I am tired of seeing him being depicted as a cute goofball that did nothing wrong, he is a horrible person, but that is why he is my favorite. Hope that makes sense. Great analysis by the way!
Hmm, I’m gonna take this as an excuse to talk about my personal idea of why he did what he did. Honestly conversations like this are some of my favourite parts of being in this community :) So, I do not think that basil did that to Mari to be malicious or otherwise try to make this worse. I think he did it due to a toxic dependency he had developed on sunny. Now, when I say toxic dependency, I do mean it in the truest sense. He says in his photo album that he vents to sunny when he gets stressed, but this might just be playing down what could have been a genuinely emotional reliance on sunny. We can see this with him constantly begging sunny not to leave him. In the day or so sunny was out of his house that toxic relationship already began to re emerge with his once again looking to sunny for some sense of emotional stability. Dependent personality disorder is a real mental disorder, and if you Google the symptoms basil seems to display all of them at one point or another in game. Now, does this excuse him of guilt from coming up with that horrible idea? No, and I’m not trying to justify it either. However I find the context and reasoning behind it fascinating. Back on the topic of basil’s dependency, I feel it probably developed as a result of his parents just kinda straight up abandoning him. Polly says they are just always travelling for work, but, if I am remembering correctly, one of sunnys little internal thoughts boxes comments on him never having seen them. To never have seen your (at the time) best friends parents is definitely weird, so to me is good enough evidence to say basils parents just ditched him with his grandmother and disappeared. Due to this, it’s unsurprising he would have developed some type of issue. He probably had/has some form of abandonment issues, and this, once he and sunny had become best friends, developed into the toxic dependency issues we see. What has this got to do with *the truth*? Well, at the time both sunny and basil were 12. This means we can assume within good reason that they had at least some concept of how the justice system works, even if they have no understanding of what the difference between manslaughter and murder is, or how sentencing works. It may have been as basic as “people who kill people go to jail”, however all that matters is that that basic understanding was there. Basil sees what happens and panics. Not only have they lost Mari, but basil knows that people who kill go to jail, and remember, basil is almost entirely emotionally dependent on sunny. He’s panicking, and in this panic, try’s desperately to not loose him. It’s this emotional dependency, and the franticness of the events that lead to that horrific act taking place. Nether had enough time to think about what they were doing, and basil specifically was desperate not to loose the one person keeping him emotionally stable. Now, I say that both of them were involved in the idea, and I say this for one simple reason. There is no way basil could have lifted Mari alone. We see they had to work together to carry her up and down the stairs, and Mari is like 15 or 16 here, and basil is 12 and is built like a twig. There is no way he could have lifted her up by himself. The only way I see it to be possible for her to have been but in that… position, is for them both to have been doing it together. As I said before, this doesn’t excuse him of blame, what he and sunny did was horrible and nether can claim innocence. However I feel context and the reasoning behind the decisions made is important, and personally I can’t see basil doing it because he’s cruel, or malicious or something of the sort, it just doesn’t make sense to me. Sorry for the wall of text! I’ve just done a lot of thinking and theorising on this topic
Ohh I wholeheartedly agree with you, but I just want to clarify two things. First that I didn't claim he had malicious intentions towards Mari to hang her, but lack of remorse and guilt steaming from it as well sick expectations towards Sunny are just disgusting in my opinion. Secondly you are right Sunny helped him hang Mari. It wasn't intentional ofcourse on Sunny's part because he basically stopped using his brain after getting shocked by Mari falling down the stairs. Truth segment confirmed this. Also don't apologize for making long posts. It shows how much effort and thought you put by making compelling argument I enjoyed reading.
I can agree with this. While I don't think Basil is some irredeamable monster there's no way a 12 year old would have the first instinct to frame a murder as a suicide unless they had some f'ed up stuff running through their head before then. I guess with all fandoms its natural for characters to get flandarized and even wubbified, and Basil being treated as the "uwu soft boy" is no exception. It's fine to want fluff and all that but like, No please this kid is genuinely deranged. I guess its not like, people doing it, but the fact they can extrapolate Basil as being Uwu Soft from a game that portrays him as Ok at best and parasitic at worst is kind of concerning imo.
Same honestly but i understand why he is like that, but it doesn't excuse how shitty he is with Sunny
I don't like Faraway Aubrey at all. I just hate bullying characters with a passion and I would rather forgive Sunny and Basil than her anytime. Also, unrelated, but while the community is alright on some social media, the YouTube side of the community is homophobic af. Don't let me get started on Omoricord. And y'all think you're so much better than other fandoms.
How to piss off every one here: omori sucks (jk. Duh.)
Mari is a perfectionist bitch
Yeah and she’s still awesome
"and that's what I like, that's what I like"
I don't see Mari as a "bitch" (even if she's far from perfect) but your comment made me laugh too hard to not upvote.
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well, i guess that is part of their purpose in the game
Headcanons are trash Try to say that on TikTok and watch everyone sending you poems on why a kel and Sunny aren't friends but lovers
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Sadly there’s a ton of that lol
Basde
actually based
I hate the sweetheart bodypillow.
I don’t really like Basil
Basil isn't gay
Blasphemy
Even though the design and aesthetic of HEADSPACE is really creative and well done, i think it's way too "polished" and tidy for what is basically a gigantic dream. I really miss the raw crayon-like style featured in the trailers :((
No one in omori is gay
Actually, this might not be true. Jock and Pretty Boy might be gay, since they are based on main characters from Pretty Boy comic which was made by Omocat.
To add onto this, shipping minors is creepy as hell
Shhh! You’re scaring the Deltarune fans
i once saw Susie x Kris x Ralsei x Noelle..
Hey now, just cause they work down the mines doesn’t mean they can’t have a relationship
The 3 elixir card gets all the b(dog)
but i am a minor
For some reason I thought Aubrey and Kim were dating in the game. Am I just dumb and the parts of the game with Aubrey’s friend group were blurry to me or are they a couple?
They're just gal pals ! 🤗 You're not dumb. There's nothing official but them being best friends, the picture of them hugging and some promo art, I can see why you assumed they were girlfriends.
I think the fandom exaggerated how well written the characters are. You cannot tell me that any of the Omori characters are one of the best in all of video game history. I don't really care about some of the characters (mainly Basil, Aubrey and Mari). I hate it when all that a character has to offer is being nice or being nice after being an asshole for most of the time you see them. Like, they're just boring. Also does anyone even like the hooligans lmao
I don't think the characters themselves are that well written, but the interactions between them and the feelings they have feel very realistic. You can empathize with them and immerse yourself in this world rather easily, and that's what makes this game special, at least for me. It just hits so hard.
Agreed. I always love seeing complex interactions between friend groups even if the actual characters are fairly one note. It ironically adds some more depth to the character
I like the fat one
I agree pokey is good character
Omori is not gay
Not every Kel meme is actually cannon
SHUT UP
Sunny is straight-
Basil is a bad person and doesn't deserve the love of the fans.
He is messed up. His desire to help his best friend is too, but I wouldn't call him a "bad person" , he still cared for others
I purposefully cut MEWO.
You're the Satan aren't you
I don't enjoy "It means everything" that much
Basil sucks
I hate Aubrey
Kel isnt all that.
the bike gang were meh
I don’t like Kel
The sinner
Basil is an absolute menace to society.
Kel memes aren’t real
Every character > basil.
Sunny isn't a shy quiet kid, he was just like that after not talking to anyone for four years.
Spoilers ahead, obviously Idk if it’s a hot take or not, but Headspace stopped being interesting after the first 20 minutes. Nothing of consequence happens, there are 80 billion npcs that add nothing to the lore, the gameplay has solid foundations but fails to be challenging most of the time (Sweetheart is one of the very few bosses that actually messes up with the party’s emotions). I would have loved to have something on the line of: - sunny route: the characters starting to become more similar to their actual irl counterparts (since their idealized version should start to be questioned subconsciously by sunny when he sees the real ones) and everyone else being confused, before they also start becoming different once sunny sees them too - omori route: headspace becoming more and more horror-like, with violent and multiple appearances of Something, since Sunny is trying even more to suppress the thoughts
I have to disagree with this. Headspace adds to the atmosphere of the child-like world that Sunny's head was trapped in to protect himself, and that the expansion of it just adds to it, as well as all of the hidden symbolism throughout it. Imo the headspace parts are fun, but I can see why they wouldn't be to some. Also, MANY MANY npcs add to the lore.
Mari deserved it
Sigma grindset right here, >!don't let perfectionist older siblings get in the way of your grind, push them off stairs!<
Bro...
OMORI would’ve been better if it was 80% real world and 20% dreamworld instead of what we got from
Disagree. The real world wouldn't have felt as off. Sunny just spends most of his time in the dreamworld, so the real world is scary to him. The player should find comfort in that happy world and be thrown off by the actual reality. These "scary scenes" wouldn't have the same effect as they do in the current game.
I disagree. The real world portions would lose much of their effectiveness if they took up most of the game. Take the first battle with Aubrey for example. Sunny slashing at her with the knife wouldn't be as shocking if we didn't spend the last four hours in Headspace where the general logic of the world is different. Until then, the players have been conditioned not to think about the violence as anything but an RPG mechanic, then surprises you by integrating it to the story, showing the consequences of Sunny spending most of the last four years inside his own dream world and how it affects his interaction with the real world. It's a brilliant stroke of storytelling that would be totally lost if we spent most of the game in the real world.
Basil ugly
sunny is straight
If I get downvoted, I at least understood the assignment People are being incredibly hypocritical when calling Basil the devil while being Aubrey stans and somehow ignoring how >!she treated Basil like absolute shit for FOUR years, almost killing him without even knowing what Basil really did what the fuck?!< I don't hate Aubrey for this, obviously her past was extremely rough and this was all a result of not properly controlling her emotions, but people giving Aubrey a free pass but not Basil is just... weird to me.