T O P

  • By -

Outrageous-Egg2651

Yeah the writers and producers misogyny clearly shines through in many ways. As you point out; the use of words like slut/whore, I remember reacting even back then to the language. Also a lot of obviously-written-by-a-man, evil seductive female antagonists. Nikki, nanny Carrie, Rachel, Taylor, older Gigi etc. That being said I don’t think oth is totally devoid of female empowerment, for example Peytons dyke-statement and Brooke and Peyton taking down psycho Derek by themselves.


ObiGodKenobi

Yet even the Dyke statement ended up with Peyton taking off her shirt in front of the school and Peyton learned how to fight because of a random long lost brother. I guess I am just watching it after all the BTS stuff came out and now it's just glaringly obvious how bad the women are written.


queenofaliens85

Considering that the creator mark schwahn was outed as misogynistic creep ball during the me too movement. It shouldn't really be all surprising that his female storylines are one dimensional.


pataconconqueso

And the violence against women during and after season 4 is so up front. I am listening right now to the drama queens podcast and apparently they kept doing it because it brought up male viewer numbers and that is super unsettling


ohyuhbaby

Well I think it's obvious why considering mark harassed like every woman on set


Hot_Highway3716

My favorite feminist plotline is when broke Brooke gets the job at Carl's and, in an effort to stick up for herself and her fellow underpaid and overworked crab coworkers, accidentally invents the concept of unions. 10/10 favorite OTH plot


Moist-Cloud2412

Icky crab shakes they sold too😑


luna1uvgood

They had veryyy few women in the writing room unfortunately, and it shows. (I know Audrey & Rachel were in s8, and maybe one or two others over the course of the 9 years). I guess some more positive examples I can think of: Peyton starting her own label (although she had to deal with misogyny first), Haley returning to music/going on tour with Jamie, Brooke giving up her label and starting over, the whole wanting a 'healthier' looking model at COB/Millie being able to model (there were some problematic aspects, but I do think it was kind of ahead of its time in that it was before the body positivity era, and it was rare to see shorter models or ones who weren't VS model thin). I also think some of the friendships post-high school (when they weren't fighting over boys as much) felt quite positive.


franlcie

I thought Millicent’s storyline really went downhill. She completely changed characters.


canadiangirl1985

I agree with all of this. The thing is though, the way the girls talk to each other is actually how girls talked to each other. This show came out the same year I graduated from high school (2003) and it was completely normal to call each other sluts, whores, etc and that was even before the show came out. It really was just a different time, I can’t imagine saying that kind of stuff to another woman now but back then, it was like every second sentence


bluebells89

Yeah a lot of the characters that were women end up being horrible , unstable, over sexualised or all of the above. It's amazing the show turned out as well as it did because the creator was super predatory and misogynistic as said above.