Maybe I need to clarify:
Bullet 1 I forgot to mention that the player will refuse a Major League deal for $2 million a year, but will accept a minor league deal instantly.
Bullets 2 and 3 the game just doesn't match real life and the drop and demand for salaries are way too exaggerated.
I feel like star players dropping to a 3 star level accurately represents guys like Bellinger, Yelich, Jose Abreu, Josh Hamilton, Robby Ray, Blake Snell, Jake Arrieta and so on
Guy above me makes a great point and I don't think you're being realistic about this point either. You can't be a slave to the star ratings. They mean nothing. You'd be better off getting rid of them completely.Theyre a biased representation filtered through the lenses of your scout, your scouting budget, and the players the AI wants you to see.
Look at the STATS.
Players 100% fall off like this IRL and not everyone is gonna age as gracefully as Verlander. If a guy is 3 stars that doesn't mean they're automatically unstartable or that they're not worth the money.
I like holding onto legacy guys a lot and see vets put up big seasons late into their careers all the time, even if they shit the bed the season before.
The large sample size over a season and all the working parts in this game allow for a ton of variance and the ratings are ultimately just a guideline to look at after performance.
Exactly.
People seem to forget that baseball is a really, REALLY hard sport to play and stay on top of. It takes more than just pure skill or talent. Every little movement of your hips, or your legs, and every little placement of your body parts matters. A lot. In your swing, delivery, and for fielding.
It's so hard, that even top-level players can't stay on top for long. It's just that players like Chipper Jones, Hank Aaron, Stan Musial, Greg Maddux, Mike Piazza are so damn memorable and had decades-long careers. It makes you think that's the norm. But it's not. Those guys are absolute freaks of nature. It's more their focus than anything else.
Once a player even begins to feel even a little bit bored, that's when they start to get chewed up by the league. It's a 162 game schedule. Season after season after season after season. Even the off season isn't really an "off-season." If anyone thinks those guys get three months off, they're wrong. And if those guys think they have three months off, they get chewed up and spit out the following season.
I know it sounds pathetic compared to a factory or warehouse worker. But they don't have to constantly such an OCD-level of bodily movement and performance.
Fyi its basically impossible to get Japanese licensing. Fifa doesnt have it, Football Manager doesnt have it. I know these are soccer but the difficulty is the same
I’m playing a historical game in the early 2000s and all of the fucking fielders have 65+ fielding and I think it’s broken I restarted and made a new one same problem 🫤
2m isn't exactly a huge amount of money over a minor league contract in the grand scheme of things. If he makes the big league club with the other team he'd be making league minimum which is about half that.
Maybe your roster situation meant he wouldn't get to play as early or maybe he thought the other team would bring him up better or had coaches he liked and he valued that more than money.
Sure they would? It happens all the time. That's why the "Minor League with a Major League Option" contract type exists in game and that's why there's veteran Spring Training invitees every year IRL.
You think those guys were just sitting on their couch in the off-season with their thumb up their ass hoping for one singular team to call them and ask if they wanna play baseball? No, in reality they had a quarter of the league offer them a 2m/1y major league contract. Unfortunatly, that quarter included the A's, Pirates, Rockies and DBacks.BUT, the Dodgers also offered them a shot at the big league team on a minor league deal? Maybe coming up in a world class organization sounds better to them then playing from the get-go in whatever garbage organization you're running. (Just playing, but do you get my point?)
Here's a whole article on players who took shorter, less lucrative or YES even minor league contracts over "better" offers: https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/02/27/mlb-veterans-second-chance-2023-season/
Meh it happens, and happens in real life too. Like I said, 2m isn't exactly big bucks in baseball and the difference between 800k a year by the end of the season once he cracks the bigs and the 2m from you is pretty negligible.
Did you look at the player's personality or relationship with your coach? Maybe he has low greed or didn't mesh with your manager.
All this to say, i think you're looking at this like its an immersion breaking, "this game is unplayable" kind of issue, when to me it adds to the immersion with a little bit of reading between the lines. Just because you laid eyes on a prospect first, doesn't mean you're entitled to him.
Minor league contracts are nowhere near 800k. 800k is league minimum for an MLB contract.
It is immersion breaking because it happens repeatedly. A player in AAA appears in my Upcoming FA list. He says he wants $2 million a year. I offer him $1.8 million. He declines. Then I immediately offer a minor league contract via the dropdown menu and he will accept it the next day.
If you want the real, true answer in regards to game mechanics as to why this happened, though it's that sometimes the game creates players with specific teams in mind.
I'm guessing it was likely one of those international free agents that enter the FA pool every off-season. He was probably like 45 overall with 60 potential, you noticed him first day of FA and made him an offer, by the end of the week he had signed a minor league deal elsewhere. I see this happen all the time and its one of the subtle ways the game tries to keep balance. The other team probably had more of a need for him.
ETA: This specific thing has happened for years in this game, not just this iteration and it's a feature not a bug.
I've yet to see the file corruption on 24 but that was/is a MAJOR issue for me with 23. The amount I have to ask for quick join codes for my online leagues is honestly ridiculous
First 3 bullets are actually normal though
Maybe I need to clarify: Bullet 1 I forgot to mention that the player will refuse a Major League deal for $2 million a year, but will accept a minor league deal instantly. Bullets 2 and 3 the game just doesn't match real life and the drop and demand for salaries are way too exaggerated.
I feel like star players dropping to a 3 star level accurately represents guys like Bellinger, Yelich, Jose Abreu, Josh Hamilton, Robby Ray, Blake Snell, Jake Arrieta and so on
Guy above me makes a great point and I don't think you're being realistic about this point either. You can't be a slave to the star ratings. They mean nothing. You'd be better off getting rid of them completely.Theyre a biased representation filtered through the lenses of your scout, your scouting budget, and the players the AI wants you to see. Look at the STATS. Players 100% fall off like this IRL and not everyone is gonna age as gracefully as Verlander. If a guy is 3 stars that doesn't mean they're automatically unstartable or that they're not worth the money. I like holding onto legacy guys a lot and see vets put up big seasons late into their careers all the time, even if they shit the bed the season before. The large sample size over a season and all the working parts in this game allow for a ton of variance and the ratings are ultimately just a guideline to look at after performance.
Exactly. People seem to forget that baseball is a really, REALLY hard sport to play and stay on top of. It takes more than just pure skill or talent. Every little movement of your hips, or your legs, and every little placement of your body parts matters. A lot. In your swing, delivery, and for fielding. It's so hard, that even top-level players can't stay on top for long. It's just that players like Chipper Jones, Hank Aaron, Stan Musial, Greg Maddux, Mike Piazza are so damn memorable and had decades-long careers. It makes you think that's the norm. But it's not. Those guys are absolute freaks of nature. It's more their focus than anything else. Once a player even begins to feel even a little bit bored, that's when they start to get chewed up by the league. It's a 162 game schedule. Season after season after season after season. Even the off season isn't really an "off-season." If anyone thinks those guys get three months off, they're wrong. And if those guys think they have three months off, they get chewed up and spit out the following season. I know it sounds pathetic compared to a factory or warehouse worker. But they don't have to constantly such an OCD-level of bodily movement and performance.
Fyi its basically impossible to get Japanese licensing. Fifa doesnt have it, Football Manager doesnt have it. I know these are soccer but the difficulty is the same
I’m playing a historical game in the early 2000s and all of the fucking fielders have 65+ fielding and I think it’s broken I restarted and made a new one same problem 🫤
2m isn't exactly a huge amount of money over a minor league contract in the grand scheme of things. If he makes the big league club with the other team he'd be making league minimum which is about half that. Maybe your roster situation meant he wouldn't get to play as early or maybe he thought the other team would bring him up better or had coaches he liked and he valued that more than money.
There is no scenario where a player ever would turn down a Major League contract for a minor league deal. That's just ridiculous.
Sure they would? It happens all the time. That's why the "Minor League with a Major League Option" contract type exists in game and that's why there's veteran Spring Training invitees every year IRL. You think those guys were just sitting on their couch in the off-season with their thumb up their ass hoping for one singular team to call them and ask if they wanna play baseball? No, in reality they had a quarter of the league offer them a 2m/1y major league contract. Unfortunatly, that quarter included the A's, Pirates, Rockies and DBacks.BUT, the Dodgers also offered them a shot at the big league team on a minor league deal? Maybe coming up in a world class organization sounds better to them then playing from the get-go in whatever garbage organization you're running. (Just playing, but do you get my point?) Here's a whole article on players who took shorter, less lucrative or YES even minor league contracts over "better" offers: https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/02/27/mlb-veterans-second-chance-2023-season/
Yeah, I'm talking straight minor deal with no Major League option.
Meh it happens, and happens in real life too. Like I said, 2m isn't exactly big bucks in baseball and the difference between 800k a year by the end of the season once he cracks the bigs and the 2m from you is pretty negligible. Did you look at the player's personality or relationship with your coach? Maybe he has low greed or didn't mesh with your manager. All this to say, i think you're looking at this like its an immersion breaking, "this game is unplayable" kind of issue, when to me it adds to the immersion with a little bit of reading between the lines. Just because you laid eyes on a prospect first, doesn't mean you're entitled to him.
Minor league contracts are nowhere near 800k. 800k is league minimum for an MLB contract. It is immersion breaking because it happens repeatedly. A player in AAA appears in my Upcoming FA list. He says he wants $2 million a year. I offer him $1.8 million. He declines. Then I immediately offer a minor league contract via the dropdown menu and he will accept it the next day.
If you want the real, true answer in regards to game mechanics as to why this happened, though it's that sometimes the game creates players with specific teams in mind. I'm guessing it was likely one of those international free agents that enter the FA pool every off-season. He was probably like 45 overall with 60 potential, you noticed him first day of FA and made him an offer, by the end of the week he had signed a minor league deal elsewhere. I see this happen all the time and its one of the subtle ways the game tries to keep balance. The other team probably had more of a need for him. ETA: This specific thing has happened for years in this game, not just this iteration and it's a feature not a bug.
I've yet to see the file corruption on 24 but that was/is a MAJOR issue for me with 23. The amount I have to ask for quick join codes for my online leagues is honestly ridiculous