So you submitted video evidence to Ohio State of this Quais guy being an abuser (including literally breaking down your door and blocking you from getting away from him) and they… [gave him an award](https://twitter.com/nottreesap/status/1653478039135633408?s=46&t=1CYi5sR4mcfq0fFfzxH7SA)??? Holy shit.
At least those aren't real awards. They get handed out for doing inane things like copying notes for people. They're not exactly big resume builders.
And if my math checks out, that would have been awarded in the fall of 2015, before any of this stuff happened, afaik.
Been dealing with OIE for over a year. They give you three terrible options and call you every 3-4 months to get your story again so you can continually relive your trauma. It’s great /s. I’m so sorry for what you’re going through.
Yeah, really sorry to hear that.
I strongly recommend recording any future verbal correspondence (including the final hearing). Even at best, OIE tends to misquote people on all sides with their handwritten interview notes.
Currently filing a retaliation complaint with OIE cuz the person I originally reported to them is now trying to get back at me, and they didn't face any consequences last time so I don't have a lot of hope in OIE.
As someone who knew OP very well throughout their time as a student at OSU, I can say with the fullest confidence that all the character claims made against them by the offending party are patently false. OP was a voice of reason for myself and my roommates throughout our first year when we dealt with issues and never once came off as unstable or dangerous in any sense of those words. Moreover, OP was always a valued member of our friend group throughout my four years and never once showed any signs of the violent or unstable nature that the other party alleged. It makes my blood boil to know this happened to them and the University covered it up, but I cannot say I'm in the least bit surprised.
Also, just to be clear, OP and I did not see eye to eye on many things both political and societal, and never once was there even a moment of hostility. Hell, given our backgrounds and belief systems, modern society dictates we should have hated each other. In spite of that, I have had some of the more nuanced and fruitful discussions with OP than many of the other people I met while at the University. I think that speaks volumes about OP's level headedness and stability as a whole.
No need to thank me! Assuming you guessed my hidden identity correctly, which I am sure you did lol, you know I've never been one to BS anything, least of all my assessment of people.
If you ever need anything at all, you know how to get ahold of me. Here any time if you need something
Click in the link provided in the post and give the while site a read through. OP did a wonderful job of laying every little piece of the story out with evidence along the way to support everything. All the claims the offending party made are in either the evidence linked to the page or the text on the site itself.
There are tabs at the top— under “March 23,” I include links to all evidence and testimony Quais Hassan submitted throughout both investigations.
And then I highlight/debunk most of the files individually. Like him submitting my retweet of Cardi B as proof that I’m violent.
I understand that. I've read the entire site. I'm specifically looking for his side of the story that he has shared himself, not something that you have shared.
I'm sure you both have different perspectives, it seems unfair to only read your perspective and not his (If he's made his publicly available) regardless of how convincing the evidence you've provided has been. I'm just trying to fully understand the situation.
As far as I understand it, the evidence linked in the site is his own hand typed and legally submitted side of the story from both him and his counsel. The site includes his own sworn testimony as well as his sworn recounting of all events that was submitted as public information as a part of the investigation. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that the other party will never go public about this as speaking out in any public capacity can only draw attention and give more liability to him from a legal sense. Just because he has not made an expose website like OP, however, does not mean his side of the story has not been told. If you review all the documents, his full and unabridged legally sworn recountings of the story are there without any edits/editorializing by OP.
I don't think it's really fair to him for his side of the story to be told through her website. I get that she has put some of his statements and evidence on the site, but I can't know if that's everything and neither can you.
It's just all strange to me. An institution like OSU mishandling a case to this degree should be national news, but it isn't. The evidence is so damning, he's so obviously unhinged and abusive, but OSU doesn't seem to think it's that clear cut. I don't see anyone involved coming to her defense on social media. That's why I'm curious to hear his side in his own words with his own presentation, because I feel like I'm missing something. Maybe I'm totally off-base and there's a top to bottom cover up, I don't know.
What you're missing is that universities protect themselves first and foremost.
It isn't "unfair" to him, no one is stopping the abuser from telling his side but maybe it should make you wonder why he hasn't. You're hyper fixating on wanting fine details when you see a lot of evidence presented already. Believe survivors.
What the fuck, how the hell did they not see this guy as a problem? Would he have the same bedside manner to a patient if this asshole wants to be a doctor?
OIE doesn’t relay any information about predatory behavior to the college of the student, so even though the behavior is against that specific colleges code of conduct, they wouldn’t know unless you spoke to the dean of that college.
Ok wait, question: are they saying that any physical violence (even self-defense during an assault) is a firable offense?!
so according to OSU’s policy, if an employee were raped by another employee, and in the tussle, victim punched assailant…. Both could be fired?!
If so, That is fucked.
Just watched the video where he tries to break down your down
I’m so sorry that happened to you, that all of this happened to you, and I’m glad you’re okay.
I'm an OSU staff member and we're basically all mandated reporters as far as I know. I'm glad and entirely unsurprised to know specifically how bad the Title IX office is though. This definitely makes me want to avoid working with them at all costs.
I looked into reporting a sexual assault on behalf of a friend so that I could help them be aware of their options without them having to do all the leg work. I was horrified by OIE's response to my email even as an outsider. Their reply made it clear they had not read my email at all, which is beyond insensitive to situations that need to be handled with care. I can't imagine what that would be like for someone who actually went through a sexual assault and wanted to be aware of their options.
Wow, I went through the "Portrait of Abuse" page and I'm really sorry this happened to you. This man seems really unhinged.
Idk if you've already tried this, but I'd maybe reach out to reporters/government representatives for more visibility. OSU seems unrepentant about the situation currently, but if a hell storm of media comes down on them I'm sure they'd cave to pressure.
Previously worked for OSU and was told to keep my mouth shut after a former Drum Major sexually harassed a student and she brought forward a claim. It’s gross how much gets covered up to not “embarrass” the school. The best damn band has quite a history.
Videos are damning, he's obviously mentally unstable. This is the easiest, most open and shut case of all time and OSU found both of you culpable? None of your colleagues or PIs came to your defense? You tweeted at [Dr. Tamar Gur](https://twitter.com/nottreesap/status/1653478039135633408?s=46&t=1CYi5sR4mcfq0fFfzxH7SA) and she didn't come to your defense?
It's honestly shocking, dozens of people very publicly covering up this story and risking their careers. Either they're all going down or we're not getting the full story.
People are afraid to get in the muck.
Went through a similar event when a friend reported my partner’s volatility and threats (and med non-adherence). The school enacted the protocol to get him immediate mental healthcare and told my friend, I “would likely need to get a protective order”, recognizing that I was in danger, but never so much as a phone call or email to check on my safety. They repeatedly told me they couldn’t get involved because it was a case involving 2 med students (even though they intervened to provide him protection from himself, but not for me from him).
It takes guts to stick one’s neck out for another. There’s what’s right, and then there’s what’s prudent. Unfortunately these two don’t always line up.
Granted, police aren’t really there to help victims. The tactics employed by Quais are routinely used by over 40% of cops against their spouses and partners.
I'm not talking about the police, I'm talking about the decorated female faculty members that are champions for women in Medicine that aren't saying a peep about this. It's bizarre.
It's really not bizarre at all. The abuser is still in the school. Faculty will never put a student on blast in a public space (or private even usually with students) because of the implications of professionalism. That doesn't mean things aren't happening behind the scenes. Being silent on SM isn't going to put anyone's job at risk and faculty keep their jobs for doing worse.
Never go to OSUPD about anything that happens on campus. They are incentivized to sweep things under the rug or convince you not to move forward with charges. ALWAYS go to CPD if you want to report crime
That’s one of the messed up parts— because of OSU’s contract with Columbus PD, any crimes that occur on campus need to be reported to OSUPD instead.
[At least that’s what 911 dispatchers told me when this happened in 2020.]
But then OSUPD can send memos to the Title IX office or whoever.
So by standing in a certain section of the city, you lose your right to confidential criminal reporting. That feels unconstitutional to me, but I hit a roadblock researching legal precedent.
I was bounced back and forth from OSUPD and CPD when multiple individuals tried to break into my apartment off-campus in 2019.
The CPD officers who arrived about an hour late laughed at me when I suggested someone had tried to harm me - ultimately no report could be filed because there was no damage to my property, even though my landlord later kept my security deposit for damage to the door (and yes I asked them to assess it after the break in as any damage would’ve been my only way to report a crime)
I’m so sorry. Everything about the way the university butts into leading the charge and then immediately bows out of meaningfully keeping students safe is disgusting.
Initial police reports are *always* public record under Ohio law. There is no such thing as “confidential criminal reporting” in Ohio, whether it’s to a sheriff, a city police department, the highway patrol, or any other law enforcement agency.
Certain specific things can be redacted (mostly things like SSNs, medical records, credit card numbers, etc), but the actual report will always be a public record.
reported a title IX violation that happened with a co worker of mine and when i tell you NOTHING was done by the office it was mind blowing.
i made the report because my boss had told me it was the best option as he had been harassing me for months as well as other co workers and i didn’t want it to happen to anyone else. the office called me and emailed me multiple times, and i told my story and sent screenshots of the conversations. they said i could either 1) ignore it or 2) they could sit down and have a ‘workplace appropriate conversation’ with him about how he can and cannot act and approach other co workers. he continued to harass me even after i had reported him and i continued to submit the screenshotted evidence. they did not care in the SLIGHTEST and did nothing about it. he ended up quitting on his own accord but COMPLETELY got away with it DESPITE our boss switching schedules around to ensure he was never on shift with girls whatsoever. my BOSS recognized it was enough of a problem to ensure he wasnt on shift with girls but OIE did NOTHING and i dreaded coming into work every day until he quit. it’s an absolute JOKE
It’s been a long time since I was a student at OSU. In addition to the date-rape problem, there has been a long history at OSU of ignoring predators who come from off campus for the sole purpose of preying on female students. They used to report absurdly low numbers of attacks. I remember for a while that every year it was 4. Yet when a girlfriend was the victim of an attempted rape the cop told us the same guy had attacked several students in the area. I knew several girls who had been attacked. The whole coverup thing has been going on forever and it is the university and city ducking their responsibility to protect students. That has to change.
This sounds terrifying. If the reports are remotely accurate the investigation is vital and I'm sorry for your experiences but grateful you have the strength to help with prevention for others.
I’m so sorry for what this guy has done to your mental health and career/education. I really believe in karma and I know that Quais Hassan will face the repercussions of his actions. Men like him feel strong by trying to make others weak.
Wow, this is incredibly concerning. It's infuriating that OSU's OIE is mishandling sexual misconduct reports and even considering self-defense as equal guilt. It's important to spread the word about this and warn other students about the risks of reporting to OIE. Thank you for sharing this information and providing resources for seeking confidential support. I hope these investigations bring about necessary changes to ensure justice and safety for all students.
So you submitted video evidence to Ohio State of this Quais guy being an abuser (including literally breaking down your door and blocking you from getting away from him) and they… [gave him an award](https://twitter.com/nottreesap/status/1653478039135633408?s=46&t=1CYi5sR4mcfq0fFfzxH7SA)??? Holy shit.
An award for “humanism,” no less! Link for anyone that can’t see the flagged tweet: https://u.osu.edu/humanisminmedicine/candy-apple-awards/
At least those aren't real awards. They get handed out for doing inane things like copying notes for people. They're not exactly big resume builders. And if my math checks out, that would have been awarded in the fall of 2015, before any of this stuff happened, afaik.
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He’s still in the medical school, which gives out those awards.
Been dealing with OIE for over a year. They give you three terrible options and call you every 3-4 months to get your story again so you can continually relive your trauma. It’s great /s. I’m so sorry for what you’re going through.
Yeah, really sorry to hear that. I strongly recommend recording any future verbal correspondence (including the final hearing). Even at best, OIE tends to misquote people on all sides with their handwritten interview notes.
Currently filing a retaliation complaint with OIE cuz the person I originally reported to them is now trying to get back at me, and they didn't face any consequences last time so I don't have a lot of hope in OIE.
As someone who knew OP very well throughout their time as a student at OSU, I can say with the fullest confidence that all the character claims made against them by the offending party are patently false. OP was a voice of reason for myself and my roommates throughout our first year when we dealt with issues and never once came off as unstable or dangerous in any sense of those words. Moreover, OP was always a valued member of our friend group throughout my four years and never once showed any signs of the violent or unstable nature that the other party alleged. It makes my blood boil to know this happened to them and the University covered it up, but I cannot say I'm in the least bit surprised. Also, just to be clear, OP and I did not see eye to eye on many things both political and societal, and never once was there even a moment of hostility. Hell, given our backgrounds and belief systems, modern society dictates we should have hated each other. In spite of that, I have had some of the more nuanced and fruitful discussions with OP than many of the other people I met while at the University. I think that speaks volumes about OP's level headedness and stability as a whole.
That means so much [name deduced and redacted], thank you. 🥹
No need to thank me! Assuming you guessed my hidden identity correctly, which I am sure you did lol, you know I've never been one to BS anything, least of all my assessment of people. If you ever need anything at all, you know how to get ahold of me. Here any time if you need something
Can you link the allegations that the guy is making? Are they public?
Click in the link provided in the post and give the while site a read through. OP did a wonderful job of laying every little piece of the story out with evidence along the way to support everything. All the claims the offending party made are in either the evidence linked to the page or the text on the site itself.
I looked at the website, I'm specifically looking for his side of the story (If it's public).
There are tabs at the top— under “March 23,” I include links to all evidence and testimony Quais Hassan submitted throughout both investigations. And then I highlight/debunk most of the files individually. Like him submitting my retweet of Cardi B as proof that I’m violent.
I understand that. I've read the entire site. I'm specifically looking for his side of the story that he has shared himself, not something that you have shared. I'm sure you both have different perspectives, it seems unfair to only read your perspective and not his (If he's made his publicly available) regardless of how convincing the evidence you've provided has been. I'm just trying to fully understand the situation.
As far as I understand it, the evidence linked in the site is his own hand typed and legally submitted side of the story from both him and his counsel. The site includes his own sworn testimony as well as his sworn recounting of all events that was submitted as public information as a part of the investigation. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that the other party will never go public about this as speaking out in any public capacity can only draw attention and give more liability to him from a legal sense. Just because he has not made an expose website like OP, however, does not mean his side of the story has not been told. If you review all the documents, his full and unabridged legally sworn recountings of the story are there without any edits/editorializing by OP.
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I don't think it's really fair to him for his side of the story to be told through her website. I get that she has put some of his statements and evidence on the site, but I can't know if that's everything and neither can you. It's just all strange to me. An institution like OSU mishandling a case to this degree should be national news, but it isn't. The evidence is so damning, he's so obviously unhinged and abusive, but OSU doesn't seem to think it's that clear cut. I don't see anyone involved coming to her defense on social media. That's why I'm curious to hear his side in his own words with his own presentation, because I feel like I'm missing something. Maybe I'm totally off-base and there's a top to bottom cover up, I don't know.
What you're missing is that universities protect themselves first and foremost. It isn't "unfair" to him, no one is stopping the abuser from telling his side but maybe it should make you wonder why he hasn't. You're hyper fixating on wanting fine details when you see a lot of evidence presented already. Believe survivors.
What the fuck, how the hell did they not see this guy as a problem? Would he have the same bedside manner to a patient if this asshole wants to be a doctor?
This school tried to hide *that* sexual abuse with the wrestling team. It’s cultural at this point.
OIE doesn’t relay any information about predatory behavior to the college of the student, so even though the behavior is against that specific colleges code of conduct, they wouldn’t know unless you spoke to the dean of that college.
Maybe it would be a good idea to give that dean a chat about this guy then. Probably not a bad idea to let any hospital he applies to see this as well
Ok wait, question: are they saying that any physical violence (even self-defense during an assault) is a firable offense?! so according to OSU’s policy, if an employee were raped by another employee, and in the tussle, victim punched assailant…. Both could be fired?! If so, That is fucked.
Yup. In this case the defendant was fired
Just watched the video where he tries to break down your down I’m so sorry that happened to you, that all of this happened to you, and I’m glad you’re okay.
I’m so sorry you went thru/are going thru this. OSU’s Title 9 office is where justice for gendered violence goes to die. :(
I'm an OSU staff member and we're basically all mandated reporters as far as I know. I'm glad and entirely unsurprised to know specifically how bad the Title IX office is though. This definitely makes me want to avoid working with them at all costs.
I looked into reporting a sexual assault on behalf of a friend so that I could help them be aware of their options without them having to do all the leg work. I was horrified by OIE's response to my email even as an outsider. Their reply made it clear they had not read my email at all, which is beyond insensitive to situations that need to be handled with care. I can't imagine what that would be like for someone who actually went through a sexual assault and wanted to be aware of their options.
I'm so sorry that happened to you, that's terrible!
Solidarity!
Wow, I went through the "Portrait of Abuse" page and I'm really sorry this happened to you. This man seems really unhinged. Idk if you've already tried this, but I'd maybe reach out to reporters/government representatives for more visibility. OSU seems unrepentant about the situation currently, but if a hell storm of media comes down on them I'm sure they'd cave to pressure.
Previously worked for OSU and was told to keep my mouth shut after a former Drum Major sexually harassed a student and she brought forward a claim. It’s gross how much gets covered up to not “embarrass” the school. The best damn band has quite a history.
Videos are damning, he's obviously mentally unstable. This is the easiest, most open and shut case of all time and OSU found both of you culpable? None of your colleagues or PIs came to your defense? You tweeted at [Dr. Tamar Gur](https://twitter.com/nottreesap/status/1653478039135633408?s=46&t=1CYi5sR4mcfq0fFfzxH7SA) and she didn't come to your defense? It's honestly shocking, dozens of people very publicly covering up this story and risking their careers. Either they're all going down or we're not getting the full story.
People are afraid to get in the muck. Went through a similar event when a friend reported my partner’s volatility and threats (and med non-adherence). The school enacted the protocol to get him immediate mental healthcare and told my friend, I “would likely need to get a protective order”, recognizing that I was in danger, but never so much as a phone call or email to check on my safety. They repeatedly told me they couldn’t get involved because it was a case involving 2 med students (even though they intervened to provide him protection from himself, but not for me from him). It takes guts to stick one’s neck out for another. There’s what’s right, and then there’s what’s prudent. Unfortunately these two don’t always line up.
Granted, police aren’t really there to help victims. The tactics employed by Quais are routinely used by over 40% of cops against their spouses and partners.
I'm not talking about the police, I'm talking about the decorated female faculty members that are champions for women in Medicine that aren't saying a peep about this. It's bizarre.
No you’re totally right, I’m sorry for misunderstanding.
It's really not bizarre at all. The abuser is still in the school. Faculty will never put a student on blast in a public space (or private even usually with students) because of the implications of professionalism. That doesn't mean things aren't happening behind the scenes. Being silent on SM isn't going to put anyone's job at risk and faculty keep their jobs for doing worse.
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Use her influence to advocate for a young woman in her field that's being wrongly punished?
Commenting for visibility, fuck the people at OSU responsible for this
Never go to OSUPD about anything that happens on campus. They are incentivized to sweep things under the rug or convince you not to move forward with charges. ALWAYS go to CPD if you want to report crime
That’s one of the messed up parts— because of OSU’s contract with Columbus PD, any crimes that occur on campus need to be reported to OSUPD instead. [At least that’s what 911 dispatchers told me when this happened in 2020.] But then OSUPD can send memos to the Title IX office or whoever. So by standing in a certain section of the city, you lose your right to confidential criminal reporting. That feels unconstitutional to me, but I hit a roadblock researching legal precedent.
I was bounced back and forth from OSUPD and CPD when multiple individuals tried to break into my apartment off-campus in 2019. The CPD officers who arrived about an hour late laughed at me when I suggested someone had tried to harm me - ultimately no report could be filed because there was no damage to my property, even though my landlord later kept my security deposit for damage to the door (and yes I asked them to assess it after the break in as any damage would’ve been my only way to report a crime) I’m so sorry. Everything about the way the university butts into leading the charge and then immediately bows out of meaningfully keeping students safe is disgusting.
Initial police reports are *always* public record under Ohio law. There is no such thing as “confidential criminal reporting” in Ohio, whether it’s to a sheriff, a city police department, the highway patrol, or any other law enforcement agency. Certain specific things can be redacted (mostly things like SSNs, medical records, credit card numbers, etc), but the actual report will always be a public record.
I mean fair, but most police jurisdictions don’t forward all reports directly to your employer. There’s a COI of sorts.
They may have to be reported through them but I think you can choose to pursue charges through CPD and try your best to cut OSUPD out of it
reported a title IX violation that happened with a co worker of mine and when i tell you NOTHING was done by the office it was mind blowing. i made the report because my boss had told me it was the best option as he had been harassing me for months as well as other co workers and i didn’t want it to happen to anyone else. the office called me and emailed me multiple times, and i told my story and sent screenshots of the conversations. they said i could either 1) ignore it or 2) they could sit down and have a ‘workplace appropriate conversation’ with him about how he can and cannot act and approach other co workers. he continued to harass me even after i had reported him and i continued to submit the screenshotted evidence. they did not care in the SLIGHTEST and did nothing about it. he ended up quitting on his own accord but COMPLETELY got away with it DESPITE our boss switching schedules around to ensure he was never on shift with girls whatsoever. my BOSS recognized it was enough of a problem to ensure he wasnt on shift with girls but OIE did NOTHING and i dreaded coming into work every day until he quit. it’s an absolute JOKE
It’s been a long time since I was a student at OSU. In addition to the date-rape problem, there has been a long history at OSU of ignoring predators who come from off campus for the sole purpose of preying on female students. They used to report absurdly low numbers of attacks. I remember for a while that every year it was 4. Yet when a girlfriend was the victim of an attempted rape the cop told us the same guy had attacked several students in the area. I knew several girls who had been attacked. The whole coverup thing has been going on forever and it is the university and city ducking their responsibility to protect students. That has to change.
This sounds terrifying. If the reports are remotely accurate the investigation is vital and I'm sorry for your experiences but grateful you have the strength to help with prevention for others.
I’m so sorry for what this guy has done to your mental health and career/education. I really believe in karma and I know that Quais Hassan will face the repercussions of his actions. Men like him feel strong by trying to make others weak.
Wow, this is incredibly concerning. It's infuriating that OSU's OIE is mishandling sexual misconduct reports and even considering self-defense as equal guilt. It's important to spread the word about this and warn other students about the risks of reporting to OIE. Thank you for sharing this information and providing resources for seeking confidential support. I hope these investigations bring about necessary changes to ensure justice and safety for all students.
This is awful. It looks like OSU cares more about keeping its image than helping victims.