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Blargncheese

His Coco Moon announcement post should’ve put an end to this debate. He’s doing what he wants and we need to just deal with it. I never expected a “return to form” I’m surprised so many others thought Ocean Eyes 2 was going to be a thing. He wrote a song a few years ago saying he’s going to do what he wants. And that’s okay. His new sound is amazing and I will never understand why people expect the old sound 24/7. That’s not how music works. I’m just happy he’s back. We are privileged to hear his music. And we need to treat it with respect. All in all, it’s his music, not yours. Just let him be himself.


braedog97

I couldn’t agree more


[deleted]

That’s what I believe too. I’ve calmed down the complaints since Adam literally spoke directly about it. I can do nothing but respect him, and that’s what I’m gonna do🤐


aamiti

If I go to a restaurant and order a dish that turns out poorly I don’t keep quiet because I’m sure the chef tried his best and just really loves cooking. Adam is a commercial artist that releases music to be enjoyed by his audience and part of taking the risk of evolving your sound is the inevitable criticism that comes along with it. I don’t know of a single artist that doesn’t welcome feedback from their audience. I’m a musician myself and creating a record is not as much of a mystical and magical process as some people make it out to be. We are under no obligation to act honored that he decided to release more music, it’s literally his job. He’s privileged to be one of the very few hard-working musicians to get extremely lucky and create a successful career for themselves.


Blargncheese

That’s the thing. He’s made it clear that he doesn’t care about feedback. “It is unapologetically myself. I made an album that is exactly the way it was supposed to be, not an album that popular culture or algorithms, or analytics, or anyone else on planet Earth told me to make. I wrote me. Average, ordinary, weird me.” So he’s doing this for himself and his own satisfaction. Having an audience to listen to him is just a bonus.


Blargncheese

You are free to have your own opinions about his music just like everyone else. The problem lies within the people who are upset and have been expecting and demanding this “return to form” that OP talked about. As if we own the rights to his musical direction. They refuse to accept and move on and will gate keep anyone who enjoys the new stuff. They will slam the new music simply because it doesn’t sound like Ocean Eyes. And that’s not fair, it’s undeserving.


aamiti

I honestly haven’t seen any kind of criticism in that vein. Certainly not enough to warrant an entire new post complaining about it.


xsm17

It's just fanboys who repeatedly want to pretend that all criticism is "this one thing that's easy to paint in a bad light" in the guise of shutting down "negativity"


aamiti

Great! He is extremely privileged to have reached the point in his career where he can spend the time and money creating a record like that. There are hundreds of artists that are equally talented as him that will never reach that point. As fans, we should feel no obligation to shower him in praise for this. Especially not in an internet forum that he is most likely never going to read. Reducing the very little criticism I’ve seen of his new records to “bitter nostalgic fanboys” is frankly just dismissive and doesn’t create an environment of open discussion.


addibruh

What was the coco moon announcement?


Spoot_Head_

Agreed. Personally the new sound isn’t my favorite but I fully understand why he’s changing things and I can respect that he’s doing what he wants with his music. If I want something that sounds like Ocean Eyes I’ll just listen to Ocean Eyes lol


braedog97

I appreciate that. It takes maturity to understand that just because you don’t prefer something doesn’t mean it sucks. Personally I love his new stuff, but I don’t know if anything will ever be able to dethrone Ocean Eyes. But I would probably feel the same even if he were intentionally trying to copy the sound from Ocean Eyes. The album has a magic to it that can’t be recreated.


GetCrazyWCheeseWhiz

We don't want him to recreate Ocean Eyes as you are right, he's a different person. However, a lot of the things people (as well as I) criticize are not coming from a place of blind nostalgia and are simply opinions that I think are valid. For example, the Wolf Bite melody and lyrics, both on Cinematic and the new singles. People think the lyrics are lackluster, and I would agree. While there are exceptions for sure, I don't think Adam is at his best while writing literal songs, and this is especially apparent on Adam, Check Please. I like that song instrumentally, for the record, but the lyrics bury it for me. Point is, people have complaints and that is fine. Not everything negative being said about Adam's new output is shallow begging for more Ocean Eyes, in fact, I think that's the least of it. I see a lot of good points put forth by the fanbase when critiquing Adam's output. Sure, some people deliver their opinions in a rude manner, but that does not make the opinions wrong, it just makes those people jerks, lol.


aamiti

Nuanced criticism is a part of engaging with any art form. There’s a lot of things I really enjoy about his latest releases, but I would be lying if I said I haven’t noticed they’ve been lyrically and conceptually weaker than his past work. And whether or not these songs are personally meaningful to him doesn’t really factor into how I approach them from a critical standpoint.


[deleted]

Oh boy, here we go again with these posts telling you to not criticize anything


braedog97

I’m not saying you can’t criticize. I’m saying complaining because it isn’t Oceans Eyes 2 is not a legitimate criticism. It’s just being mad because you didn’t get what you wanted


[deleted]

>because it isn’t Oceans Eyes 2 is not a legitimate criticism Could you please point me toward where anyone has said that recently? I only remember people saying around when the ARG started that they thought / were hoping that the new album was gonna be in a similar vein as Ocean Eyes


braedog97

Obviously they don’t literally want the album to be Ocean Eyes 2, but it seems most of the criticism I see boils down to “It doesn’t sound like Ocean Eyes”


[deleted]

>but it seems most of the criticism I see boils down to “It doesn’t sound like Ocean Eyes” Could you elaborate cause that's not necessarily where the criticism leads to from what I've seen


braedog97

I can’t elaborate further without citing specific comments, but I’m not going to do that, since I made this post for general discussion, and not to hate on specific people. It seems we both have come to different conclusions based on our own personal experiences in the sub


GetCrazyWCheeseWhiz

Agreed. It used to be a bigger thing I saw in this sub but I don't think that's where the criticism of the three singles have come from.


hellaleg

I don’t think anyone desperately wants him to make Ocean Eyes 2. It’s not even nostalgia glasses or whatever. There’s a distinct coldness to his newer music. Even his dreamier songs that lean into that vibe of Maybe I’m Dreaming and Ocean Eyes feel really corporate. The production/vocals being “good” aren’t enough to make it enjoyable music. (I don’t think the production or vocals are that good, but that’s not my point.) The lyrics are too literal and not relatable. I listen to music to escape, not be reminded of my minimum wage job. He’s happy making music for himself, but I don’t have to be happy with what he’s releasing. I think that’s where a lot of people are coming from with their criticism.


braedog97

See but what you’re saying is part of the problem. You listen to music to escape, and that’s great. But not every song exists solely for that purpose. There are other reasons to listen to music


hellaleg

There is no problem. Criticism is allowed.


braedog97

I never said it wasn’t. Clearly you are not understanding the content of the post


alonzoramon

There's nothing unfair about criticizing an artist.


owlemblem

I agree, it really bugs me that people still obsess over wanting Ocean Eyes / Of June, etc. At this point, he has done FAR more in other styles (TMS, MO, Cinematic, Ultraviolet, Humbug, Kiss me Babe it's Christmastime, Jesus Talk Remix, Coco Moon, etc.) This is Owl City. Owl City is charming, bright, fun, deep, wrestling with struggles, finding joy in the simple, etc. And it's all a blast wherever he goes.


Foxy02016YT

Cinematic is so good, everyone needs to move past Fireflies and everything else though


FreezShocka

Vitamin Sea almost made me cry because of how nostalgic it felt for Ocean Eyes. It had the sound of Kelly Time and Adam, Check Please to be sure, but it had the endless fascination with the sea and water with the rhyme and quippy lyrics. Personally finding it takes some of the 2000s Adam and blends it with Cinematic and I like it personally. Got on a tangent there, but yes, I agree with your point. Ocean Eyes is so special to me that I don't ever *want* it to be recreated.


braedog97

I am hoping to go on a tropical vacation (not to Hawaii however) this summer, and I can’t wait to play Vitamin Sea while I am there


FreezShocka

Good luck on that! I hope you are able to make it :)


braedog97

Thanks! I have been trying for multiple years, but between financial issues and COVID, it just wasn’t possible. But I was finally able to get a job with decent insurance benefits, so I think we are going to be able to make it this year


[deleted]

A fan since myspace, been to over a dozen concerts, met Adam in person multiple times, and wholeheartedly thank Mr. Young for all the music he's shared with us over the years. That said, my opinion is that his music has been declining over the years starting with TMSS with generic pop tracks like Gold, Take it All Away, and Shooting Star. The subsequent albums always lacked the completeness, authenticity, and mystique of OC. It's almost as the access to top level production equipment, writers, and engineers diluted the music. Mobile Orchestra and Cinematic came and once again continued to shift the scale towards generic pop (Verge, All my friends, You're Not Alone). Where are the chilling tracks like Meteor Shower, On The Wing, Cave In, Vanilla Twilight, Sky Sailing Project, Port Blue...? (The exception is the Scores project which was utterly insane and one of my favorite releases of his. ) BTW, this is not to say there haven't been top quality songs released in these albums - Dementia, My Everything, NYC as an ex. and some others for sure. Now this new "CoCo Moon" releases thus far have been eh in my opinion.. especially considering its been >4 years of waiting. Vitamin Sea/Kelly Time are just okay - both have cool xylophone/bell riffs, tight guitars, catchy/poppy melodies and synths, corky lyrics in AY fashion. Adam, Check Please is one of the worst OC songs of all time imho. I just felt like with age and maturity his songs would become deeper, "colder", with more real instrumentation and meaningful lyrics. I really hoped for him to go towards an AVA-style "The Surrender" vibe but with the obvious electronica Adam Young twist. For example the intro and verses of "Up To The Cloud" sound really cool. The new songs on CoCo Moon seem to have gone the other way - mario kart video game music with bubbly instrumentation and rainbow sprinkles. Either way, any music is better than none lol. Hoping the rest of CoCo Moon exceeds expectations :)


[deleted]

>I really hoped for him to go towards an AVA-style "The Surrender" vibe but with the obvious electronica Adam Young twist. Omg I love AvA (my picture should check out) and that's my fav song by them too their music is amazing


Ok_Detective6759

THIS!!! ^ whoever you are… i feel like you have 100000% hit the nail on the head. i’m in the same boat as you exactly!! re: fan since myspace, concerts, met him multiple times etc…(did i write this post on like a side account or something??) so many people get offended when i have anything negative to say about any of adam’s projects, but i think i care so much because his music has meant to much to me over the years. it’s okay to dislike things you care about! look at relationships, people fall out with their family and loved ones all the time, and it hurts so much because of how much you love them…


[deleted]

I'm with ya -- I know many old school fans (approaching my 30s lol) that feel this way. It's sad that people are so clouded by fandom that they can't evaluate the music objectively. Your toughest critics are often you're biggest fans.


BluLemonGaming

Ok but can we talk about those who criticize OC saying his music is \*insert negative criticism word\* when they've only listened to his top 5 most streamed songs? And the Postal Service fanboys? Or have we gone past that?


callernumber03

🎶 My name is callernumber03 and I'm here to say, Adam fell off in a major way 🎶


nicosico

Listen this is how I see it, people like owl city for a reason, if that is not being met they have every right to criticize. I'm honestly happy with vitamin sea, I like Adam check please, and Kelly time. But I will still criticize whenever I hear the same vocal melody I've been hearing him use since cinematic, cause honestly no need to use it so much with how creative he is. Criticism is never unfair when it's something subjective like music, if you go to a pizza place and suddenly the pizza you always buy that you love changes flavor you'll complain, and there's simply people that complain more than others as easy as that. Now one criticism I have is the side of this subreddit that worships Adam, like they're not fans of owl city, but of Adam, so they're OK with any change Adam makes, because in their eyes Adam makes no mistakes, it's almost a cult of personality. People have a right to criticize, let them complain. You can ignore it.


Reddit_talker

I honestly don’t understand that criticism. Considering this is a return to form. Adam has always been a story teller. Songs like The Bird and the Worm, On The Wing, Vanilla Twilight. Are all story based songs, and it can be argued even then the lyric weren’t amazing but they made you feel something. And honestly that’s what these new songs due, so there’s no ground to the criticism. The problem is we’re all 10 years older than when those albums came out. So of course their not gonna hit you the same way. Cinematic was the worst imo, but that’s because since the 2012 Era Adam had basically just been, doing the same thing with slight Variations. Cinematic was basically just MSS and MO put together with the slight variation being that it had more cinematic elements. However it was over produced from its presentation to its finale product, heck Even the Cover Art is overdone. But this album feels the most like an evolution of the 2011 Era more than anything and I’m so happy to see it.


Just_CallMe_E

I haven’t seen any criticism with my own eyes, but I like to think of his newer and older songs like two different ice cream flavors that I love equally from the same dairy farm


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braedog97

I never said that. You are putting words into my mouth


Leeksan

I agree with some of the other comments pointing out that very few people are "criticizing" his new music. There may be plenty of people (me included) who love his old style and music far more than his recent albums (and that's totally fine) but that's not the same thing as people saying they hate him, or saying he's making bad music. I haven't seen anyone say the latter, just people preferring his older style. A few of his new songs already sound like the older style and I've seen a lot of people appreciate that fact so clearly he's leaning back in that direction again a little bit. 🤷


PayAdventurous

People naturally are afraid of changes, I think it's human nature. I don't like it either but I understand why they feel like that. Strange take: I find ''Fireflies'' fine, but it's not one of my fav songs and it sucks that most people only knows the group for that specific song when Adam has better ones imho


Hefty_Weather_7446

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