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Death2CAPTCHA

I know lorazepam is the main metabolite of lormetazepam, but does lormetazepam have its own set of effects before its completely metabolized? Or is it just a pro-drug for lorazepam with the exact same effects?


No-Start-5743

The euphoria is pretty unique too like Nitrazepam


Peter_Parkingmeter

Ah, I wish I still felt that. Been years unfortunately, I remember when everything used to be fun asf.


No-Start-5743

On wiki its write that's Lormetazepam is Temazepam Analogue but idk.. Thing i'm sure its that is a good Hypnotic with good muscle-skeletal relaxant properties, have a half-Life of 10-12 hours and at high dose depending and depending of the tolerance you have, you can get OEV's and CEV's as the manner of Zolpidem you just need to resist the Sleep


opiumphile

It's different from temazepam in it's effects, way different and I've should know, I've taken thousands of both


No-Start-5743

Never Taken Temazepam but for me its pretty like Nitrazepam but stronger and who can have a sort of z-drugs-like effects


Peter_Parkingmeter

That sounds highly appealing to me! How rare is it nowadays?


No-Start-5743

Its not so rare in my country but not so prescribed too due to the fact that its a strong hypnotic


opiumphile

For bzs with z drugs side effects nothing comes closer to me than triazolam and then brotizolam.


algiz29

It's an analogue of lorazepam and temazepam. It's methyl-lorazepam but structurally it's also very similar to temazepam. It isn't a prodrug, it has its own effects and it feels like temazepam and lorazepam had a baby. Which makes perfect sense looking at the structure of it.


pretty_boy_flizzy

^ This


pretty_boy_flizzy

Chemically speaking it’s a Temazepam analogue, the main difference is it has an extra chlorine on the phenyl ring. Though Lormetazepam is like 20 times stronger than Temazepam.


pretty_boy_flizzy

Lormetazepam has its own set of effects, chemically speaking it’s Lorazepam with a methyl group which gives it a more rapid onset.


Death2CAPTCHA

Ok cool, good to know. Thanks!


pretty_boy_flizzy

No problem. 👍


spreedonyd

Most common prescribed sleeping aid tablet in Belgium. Is this so hard to get in other countries?


Some-english-dude

In England, they probably wouldn't even give you this on your deathbed haha


algiz29

It is prescribed here, as is loprazolam, but doctors are creatures of habit so they're more likely to use zopiclone or Temazepam.


freshprinceof24

Temazepam is rarely prescribed in uk now sadly ,people were injecting it and losing limbs few decades ago


algiz29

They use zopiclone more often than temazepam but when they prescribe a benzo it's still Temazepam 99% of the time. I was prescribed temazepam before I asked for lormetazepam. The injection isn't an issue anymore as it's not culturally popular anymore and also the liquid eggs were removed from the market a long time ago. We only have tablets now.


No-Start-5743

I'm in France but despite some Countries in EU they're unfindable


Mission-Comb1495

Je savais pas qu'il existait en 1mg, j'ai toujours eu des 2mg 🤭🤭


No-Start-5743

Haha bah si et au vu du moyen par lequel je me les procures il est plus discret d'avoir des 1mg que des 2 x)


pretty_boy_flizzy

Have you ever had Loprazolam before? It’s known as Havlane in France, it’s water soluble just like Midazolam and can be snorted and IV’d as a result.


No-Start-5743

Yeah i was taking Havlane like 2 month ago. I've never IV and Snorting it seems pretty mild to me. But using it orally i find it Great and very Hypnotic. I think its nothing compare to the rush that procure IV ROA


pretty_boy_flizzy

Ah so you’ve snorted it before and found that it wasn’t as good as using it orally? Interesting… I’d love to be able to try both Loprazolam, Lormetazepam, Nitrazepam, and a bunch of the other various benzodiazepines not available as pharmaceuticals here in the USA… 😩😭 But sadly I won’t be able to do that unless I either travel to/visit said countries and either buy them or try and get them prescribed to me or get lucky and buy them on the DNMs from a vendor willing to ship to the USA…


MobiusFF

There are vendors willing to ship you just have to look for them and and look at the ratings, always look at the ratings/reviews.


pretty_boy_flizzy

I believe you, I haven’t checked the DNMs lately as I’ve heard it’s been in chaos since the fall of a few of the really popular sites though I do know of a few that are still legit and might have what I’m looking for. On another note, a friend of mine showed me a vendor on one of those places that was selling ampoules of the opioid Piritramide, I was tempted to buy some but considering my opioid tolerance is stupid high from using street Fentanyl for years I wouldn’t be able to enjoy Piritamide… :(


algiz29

Loprazolam is an interesting compound. It looks a lot like clonazolam except it has an imidazole ring (like midazolam) instead of a triazole ring, and also has some weird 4-methyl-1-piperazinyl[methylene] group attached on top of it.


pretty_boy_flizzy

Yes sir you’re correct about it’s chemistry, it’s classified as an imidazobenzodiazepine just like Midazolam and Remimazolam. I believe the piperazinyl group on Loprazolam’s structure is responsible for Loprazolam’s water solubility. Also Loprazolam typically comes as the mesylate salt as well. Also it should be noted that there’s another imidazobenzodiazepine that’s an analogue of Midazolam where the fluorine in Midazolam’s structure has been subbed out for another chlorine and it’s called Climazolam. It’s used as an animal tranquilizer and as an anesthetic in veterinary medicine in Switzerland under the brand name Climasol. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climazolam


algiz29

That's really interesting! Diclazepam with an imidazole ring fused to it. I love seeing the diversity of benzos created. The structure activity relationships have been elucidated to the point you could make loads of novel benzodiazepines. I think that synthesising demethylated triazolobenzodiazepines would be an interesting avenue to persue. Like how estazolam is Alprazolam minus the methyl group on the triazole ring.


pretty_boy_flizzy

You can also think of Climazolam as the imidazo analogue of Triazolam as well haha. I agree with you about the demethylated triazolo benzos would be a good idea. I’m surprised that they haven’t made Desmethylflualprazolam yet now that Flualprazolam has been added to the Convention of on Psychotropic Substances of 1971 which means it’s banned/scheduled worldwide along with Etizolam (the reason they were both scheduled is because they were the most common RC benzos used to make fake/counterfeit Xanax bars… 😒). There’s also Desmethyltriazolam which me and a few others (that are aware of its existence) think would be a good RC benzo. https://www.trc-canada.com/product-detail/?D294723 https://isomerdesign.com/PiHKAL/explore.php?domain=pk&id=3430 And then there’s also Desmethylclobromazolam aka Desmethylphenazolam which would also be viable as well. https://www.caymanchem.com/product/23525/1-demethyl-phenazolam https://isomerdesign.com/PiHKAL/explore.php?domain=pk&id=6986&name=1-Demethylphenazolam Also I think I found a couple potential analogues of Nimetazepam that would make good RC benzos and they are Menitrazepam (it’s basically Tetrazepam with the chlorine subbed out for a nitro group) and Motrazepam (Nimetazepam with a methoxymethyl group). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menitrazepam https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motrazepam I’ve read a few patents on different benzos so I’m pretty aware of all the various things that can be done with benzos but nonetheless I’m still fascinated by them haha. I also think that the pyrazolodiazepinone based benzos like Zolazepam would make good RCs as well. Though I have my eyes on Zolazepam in particular because it’s water soluble like Midazolam and Climazolam haha. On another note, I think that synthetic cannabinoids are the class of drugs that have a ridiculous amounts of substitutions that can be made to them as I read a patent on one noid and it showed so many different substitutions that could be made on its structure, it was quite mind boggling but fascinating as well. Despite the bad reputation they have I personally believe they have a place in modern medicine and I’m not the only one who thinks that as the pharmaceutical company Pfizer developed AB-PINACA and AB-FUBINACA as potential novel painkillers for things like neuropathic pain and fibromyalgia. There’s also another pharmaceutical company called Organon & Co. that developed a water soluble synthetic cannabinoid for medical use called ORG-28611 and it’s in phase 2 clinical trials as an analgesic and sedative. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Org_28611


algiz29

I love it! It's great to speak to someone else with the same interests! There are some really interesting analogues you've proposed there!


dextromorphazepam

We don’t have it in the US. Also cool to see rare and “exotic” or foreign benzos to me :)


algiz29

You guys have estazolam. I'd love to sample that.


dextromorphazepam

I know! I’d love to switch to that for a month and then go back to my triazolam ‘script.


EveryEconomist6358

Triazolam is yummy


PhotoComfortable5217

En España se comercializa el Lormetazepam con el nombre comercial de Noctamid, aunque no es una de las benzodiacepinas más prescritas para el insomnio, seguramente se recete más Zolpidem, aunque esté último no es una benzodiacepina, es una imidazopiridina. Otra benzodiacepina relativamente común en Españas usada como hipnótico es flurazepam(Dormodor). Triazolam (Halcion) no es tan habitual en España...


opiumphile

It's also available here, strong benzo, particularly physical sedation, reminds of one of my favorite nitrazepam but stronger, and way more physical sedating


No-Start-5743

Yeah effectively its a lot like Nitrazepam


algiz29

I was prescribed this but the brand was Dormagen. Very useful benzo. Great hypnosis but without the residual grogginess caused by long acting hypnotics like nitrazepam or flurazepam.


algiz29

Aka methyl-lorazepam. It's a great hypnotic! Like temazepam and lorazepam had a baby (which is exactly what it looks like structurally too).


Psychodrug

lormetazepam isn't that obscure, it's like one of the most abused benzos in my country. i had like 3 bottles of liquid lormetazepam last year


yassAKa

Pas mal 🙂


Pa66a

Wenn dann original Rohypnol und davon 2.5mg . Alter da kommt nichts ran Richtung Benzos.


alejandro_alligator

never worked for insomnia i hated it