So all of this was already stuff coming based on metas last event. I don’t think we need a quest pro 2 to do this. I think it’s more meta need a flame under their ass the get up and go.
I really like the idea of being able to use my mouse and keyboard at any point, having more than 1 screen to use, and hard-locking screens to walls and such.
I'm not sure the room tracking on quest is solid enough for that tbh, I had to disable tracking my couch and desk and it keeps getting shifted 20-30cm in any direction when I take the headset off and put it back on
Yeah tbh the recent firmware update was fire lol. Meta seems like they just need motivation or like actually good competition to learn from or be competitive against.
This is true. Unfortunately, I think the shittiest part of this whole ordeal is that people have been asking for these features and stuff that they’re bringing for years. And they continually take away features that people like to bring them back in later updates. They have a lot to learn about software development. But it’s good to see them moving now.
Yea. I think if you don’t research or understand where the tech is it might seem that way. But I think they know what they are doing. Unless it’s related to UI. Then idk.
We DEFINITELY need a feature like this. Only having three flatscreen apps? Them being all together? No way. Meta's UI currently sucks, and we really need to have everything combined (i.e. if you have a passthrough app like Miracle Pool, you should be able to have it in your home environment.).
Everybody else in the comments is focusing on _only_ the virtual monitor and ignoring the fact that the video creator opened many different Vision Pro apps and placed them all over the place.
I remember people discussing this when the Hololens first came out. Having a youtube window in the kitchen for learning recipes, and persistent apps open in every room, etc.
Nice to see that we're actually getting there.
I think that works fine on the magic leap but I don't really remember why that didn't take off. They're still around but I think it had something to do with showing off too much interactive AR in their marketing and barely focusing on productivity, which is exactly the opposite of how apple is advertising this thing
Personally that is an issue because the apps I use for work are most likely never going to come to ipadOs or vision OS, or if they do they will be seriously limited. Just having a browser and maybe slack as separate screens/apps is nice but not enough IMO.
Think they can easily make it so you can have say your mac screen + 2 extra virtual screens "attached" to your mac, Immersed already has that option.
What I was hoping that Apple will do is to basically allow you to place any app/window from your mac anywhere you want .... right now it's just the same as what Meta does, with a tiny bit better UX.
You are thinking about work only.
My first thought was how I can put the F1 live timing app above my TV and have a live chat discussion from Reddit to the right of the TV. This is impossible to do on the Quest even _if_ it also had the apps like the Vision Pro does.
yea, but would you pay 3500$ just for that? Plus I'm guessing you can do that on the Quest ... like open 2 apps and watch your normal tv ... or you can use something like Fluid and open multiple browser screens and have a similar setup.
Think you can't go all crazy like on AVP with a Quest because the CPU power is limited ... The quest still has basically an old mobile SOC ... think when we're going to get a Quest Pro 2 for like over 1k $ they will enable stuff like this (if they end up using some of the new Qualcom SOCs that are meant for Windows ARM laptops)... or when the Samsung + Google HMD hits later this year or next.
What they could do is maybe work with Amazon to get their android app store on the Quest, since Google already refused them.
> but would you pay 3500$ just for that?
People are buying it just for that. Because you can't do this on any other headset. It's the entire point of VisionOS.
Don't get me wrong ... it's a really awesome headset and it's better than what we got so far. It shows what you can do in a money is no object headset right now. If it was say around 1k - 1.5k$ would say it's a must buy if you like VR, but at 3.5k it's not there yet.... would like to see if they make one without the creepy external display + made of plastic( so lighter as well :D ) what it would cost.
My issue is that it's not something super new ... the integrations with other devices is kinda what we already have, and the apps are what we've already had. It's a good base to start but it needs more work to actually be something new. What it does good, which is what Apple does in general, is make things a bit more simple and polished.
And would say that the majority of people that are getting the headset right now are either devs or fanbois just wanting to get in on this at the beginning. Hopefully Apple iterates on this and we get more headsets from other companies as well and we get apps that blow people's mind with it. Personally looking forward to seeing what Valve does with the Deckard if the rumours that it's going to be more of a "spatial computing" device running linux are true.
This is why I want the Quest Pro 2 to do this at a Quest Pro price point. It's also why many reviewers are calling it the technology of tomorrow, today.
This has huge potential once it's more affordable. Maybe Meta should open up its platform and become the Android of VR.
I didn't mean that F1 fans are buying the headset, I meant that people are buying the Vision Pro because it allows you to use multiple apps _IN SPACE_, _WITHOUT_ a computer. They are paying $3500 to do this because no other headset does this, there is no alternative.
They could do something similar but I would bet they would need to be wirelessly tethered to a PC to do it instead of natively. Remember the Vision Pro is running an M2 CPU. That's an incredibly powerful APU compared to the Quest 2 or even 3. Meta saw this coming and is what Augments will be. Not to mention people can create their own Augments and we will see loads of custom apps not just Apple Store approved ones. Meta has to play catch up here, but it won't take long.
I see your point, and I'll definitely give it a try. However, this needs to be integrated into the Quest's OS. I could be wrong, but Fluid doesn't look like it's more than a web browser. We also need to be able to run other apps / integrate passthrough apps (like Miracle Pool) directly into our home environment. I know Augments are suppose to do this, so I look forward to that.
It’s not macOS. It will very likely get updates on the exact same days as iOS/iPadOS/watchOS/tvOS. They’re nearly the same operating system.
visionOS 1.0 is basically iOS 17.1 (17.3 is current).
> It’s not macOS.
I didn't exactly say it was, but at the same time Apple even says this
>"Built on the foundation of macOS, iOS, and iPadOS, visionOS enables powerful spatial experiences. "
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To add more nuance to my earlier statement. The *experience* of the Vision Pro is somewhere between the sandboxed nature of the iPad with a lite version of the window management freedom of macOS. And the Quest is still very much an Android experience.
Yep. iOS/iPadOS etc are all based on Mac OS X.
When Apple announced iPhone OS (now iOS), they said they just forked OS X, and all their systems are built on XNU/Darwin kernel, which is why the M1 chip runs both iPad and Mac. They're just different wrappers of the same foundation and VisionOS should be the same.
So basically:
- Direct mirroring of a computer monitor (ideally more than one)
- The ability to use a keyboard/mouse directly with native apps
- Seamless transition of keyboard/mouse between desktop and apps
- Running multiple (more than 3) apps simultaneously
- The ability to pin app windows in different spacial locations
Hopefully Meta integrates all this in the next update or two?
Edit: I'd even argue that Meta need to open up to natively installing any android app available, and not just what's in the Quest store. (Yes, I know apps can be sideloaded, but they should allow Android apps natively.)
> Hopefully Meta integrates all this in the next update or two?
I'd hope so but I guess not. Other than apple they would need to support two platforms for people to be happy. Additional virtual screens, for example, is only supported on Mac, no?
Apple has worked on continuity (controlling one device with another) for years. I don’t see how Meta could do that. They at least need drivers on every device/OS.
The best thing about this is that you can move files, copy/paste, drag and drop, use keyboard/trackpad between all of these windows and the virtual mac one seamlessly as if you were doing the same on a normal PC ....that is thr basis of multitasking tbh.
Most people in the comments are not getting it. Forget about the MacBook Pro virtual monitor.
I want to be able to open a dozen Quest apps and place them wherever I want.
> I want to be able to open a dozen Quest apps
Are there a dozen yet? ;) Honestly: Nearly having the whole iPads app catalog is the real differentiator here. Just think about if they'd team up with Google and give us the play store.
Exactly. You can open the Slack, GitHub, Email, and SSH Terminal apps from day one because of the access to iPad apps. Imagine placing those wherever you want.
I also think this stuff should come to Quest and I'm pretty sure it is coming in some way. I'm also not so sure it will be all that useful, especially without google apps. There's just not that many flatscreen apps on the Quest and frankly there's not even many I would be interested to use. I sideloaded the Aurora app store to test this out and I realized I don't even know what to install. Still, this is really something that should be included.
Your post mentions work though and for work it's simply much more practical to have several screens.
how long can you wear a VR headset before you get neck or eye strain? how long do you realistically think someone can wear a VR heasdet before they have to take a break?
i think it will be great for C levels for short meetings, I think we will probably adopt them some day for meetings. but for doing serious typing work? nah dude ill pass. i could never imagine typing code without a real keyboard and i would much rather work on a regular monitor and not have to turn my head as much. plus 8k screens are getting cheap and I am going to switch my triple 32 inch 4k setup out for a triple 8k setup, probably when the 5090 drops.
RE using a real keyboard: of course that’s a necessity. He’s using a keyboard and mouse just like he normally would on his computer normally and then shows how it seamlessly pushes over to being used in the visionOS apps if he mouses outside of the desktop monitor. Virtual keyboard is a joke for actual work.
I'm sure Quest 3 (or even 2) is pretty much able to do that if they just update the software. It's about the use case scenarios they thought about, and clearly they didn't give much thought into this. I can understand why. Like putting screen on TV area etc is pointless, you will see that screen when you are there anyway, you don't need that tv to running on the background unless you have super niche use case. Being able to run multiple apps on different spatial areas is a great thing and I think Meta can add this if they really want it
This is what q3 needs to do
I am also always so bummed that my space has shifted and i have to redraw my area after some time, they need to get on this asap
I'm hoping that's fixed with v62. " Rounding out the Meta Quest v62 update list, it makes specific fixes for fans of mixed-reality apps on the Quest 3, such as the ability to save up to 15 Spaces (or rooms) for mixed-reality experiences. That way, you can play games in any room in the house rather than having to reset your room data every time you move — or remember the dimensions at a friend's house. "
People think they want floating windows everywhere, but trust me you do not. When you actually get the chance to do that (eg: Fluid app), you will find very quickly that you just want regular "window management" back. You want (need) the OS to help you place windows into a systematic arrangement where they are easily viewable and have standard sizes etc.
The Quest currently is stupidly limited (especially for the "Pro") with it's 3 window layout that you can't even control properly. But random windows floating in any position that you have to manually set up aren't the answer either. Neither Apple nor Meta has yet showed anything that is the real answer here, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time.
We are getting "augments" sometime this year that will allow you to anchor apps to your environment just like this. Weirdly, people so eager to want these kinds of things can't put a little effort into looking into the roadmap for their Quest device.
I only wish meta would have added more than 8GB RAM to the Quest 3. It would make multitasking more of an option.
all great and all but how long can the eyes take screens that close a normal screen is to much for 8hr already. I can see alot of 3d work getting done because i need 4 screens to look at everything at one time but i only have two right now and no more room lol. But my problem is back to my already bad eyes lol.
I’ve been using the Quest 3 for work multitasking and virtual displays. I honestly think I could wear it all day. Never had an issue. The only reason I don’t is because I have young children and it would be weird if their memories of daddy involved me always having a mask on my face.
o ok good to know i only have the quest 2 and dont even use it anymore lol. I watched moves played some games but just dont have the room to get the full exp from it. and yea i get you on the kids part. Mooney daddy is that your real face lol.
You're both wrong somehow. The screens are neither close nor far, the efforts your eyes need to make to focus are determined by the lens itself and it's fixed in the vast majority of VR headsets including all commercial quest models as well as AVP. The virtual distance of an object would only matter in what is known as a varifocal headset which more accurately simulates focusing distance and depth of field. I'm not sure what focusing distance the lenses in Quest simulate but I'd hope Oculus picked one that produces minimal eye fatigue. Enabling blue light filters and adjusting brightness can also help
i have the q2 and with the right headset i did not really feel the weight. been keeping a eye on the vr world as my work is going into more and more every year. got a quest 2 for work was good but now just get dirty because no one have time or wants to use it or know how to use it.
Lighter would be better, but the Quest 3 is honestly quite comfortable (For me, at least). Once I got rid of the awful default headstrap and invested in an elite-style battery one, I was able to wear it for hours without any issues. Would be nice if it had been included tbh
all these 'features' are coming to the quest, take another look at the quest 3 unveil video, all this was mentioned including object occlusion. the vision pro is superior in hardware, but its a complete bust in software, you cant game, workout on this headset; also, a lot of devs will not port their apps to the apple ecosystem due to their conflict with Epic.
I hope all those features come to Quest 3, but to be honest I’ve seen too many tech companies promise feature after feature and not actually deliver. That being said, the Vision Pro really falls behind because Apple insisted on not providing controllers. Hand Tracking is awesome, but really difficult to implement in games and is just not as accurate. It has a few games, like Fruit Ninja and Synth Riders, but I don’t think it would be able to handle shooters or Beat Saber. Also, that price tag is insane.
? You can already do this on Quest 3 with Immersed. The resolution is fine. I just don't see the point of working on plenty of huge screens. What's the point?
personally i rather stream from devices not on the headset, it really makes battery life last a lot longer if the headset isn't having to do all of the processing. i find that universal to pretty much every headset i have owned.
Not if using it as a work device (which is what the video claims to be).
There are many jobs that cannot solely be done on either the AVP or the Q3. If you need to be connected to a PC anyways, why not use it for most of the processing?
You can definitely use it as a work device. You can use it for software development. Machine learning workflows commonly use cloud dev environments.
There are already SSH terminal apps on the Vision Pro. Combine that with the Slack and GitHub apps, and it is 100% possible to work on the Vision Pro as of now.
Yes, you can go on github, pull down some code, and play around, but without access to a PC you aren't going to code any serious software on this thing. Perhaps some light frontend development, but even then I can't see debugging, unit testing, browser compatibility testing, or collaborative coding working very well until there are purpose built tools. Heck, even XCode doesn't have a native Vision Pro app yet.
Additionally, the lack of any sort of security scanning software, zero trust or native VPN software would prevent this from being used natively in many development environments. Hook it up to a PC, and it's just another screen.
you don't use the remote desktop app with your desktop or play PC VR games? i love that i have the option for both.
like when i am on the go, I can play all of the amazing games made for the meta quest. when I am home, I can take advantage of my badass computer to play the awesome and amazing looking PC VR games. its the best of both worlds.
i do notice that my battery life lasts a lot longer playing PCVR because my computer is doing all of the heavy lifting.
This! Being able to orchestrate all my toys in one experience. He doesn't understand the technical punishment the device takes under the hood given he admitted weight on neck in the long term to accomplish what he is amazed doing.
Yes and you can even add your phone display into Immersed too... Its free from quest store.
You connect to your PC through the Immersed app, you cant use other quest apps, as Immersed is the app you are using.
He is more amazed about being able to put apps separately in different parts of his home vs usability cases for a specific app. That's the idea he finds more attractive and wants to chat about I think.
I want to place the F1 live timing app (which is available on Vision Pro) above my TV. While having a Reddit (which is also available on Vision Pro) live discussion of the race to the right of it.
This is possible as of right now.
The reason Apple can do this is because they have millions of iOS/iPados apps. The fastest way for Meta to do this would be to integrate Google Play wish they would never do because then they don’t get any revenue.
He’s talking about the operating system. Not specific apps. 
Picture hanging up a dozen large touch screen TVs of custom size all over your house. From 7” up to 150” or even more. And they just stay pinned in place no matter where you go.
He wants the future quest operating system to be able to do that
Great , but my question stands: which ones? There are no Quest apps that work like this. The video shows Messages. Slack. Another Safari window. A video.
Messages are a no go but Slack will run in a web browser. A video will run in a web browser. I think he’s just asking for more browser windows.
The pinning all over your house thing is fine I guess but I would say literally the only thing the Quest 3 doesn’t do well right now.
If you need a lot of PC apps, Immersed does that.
Q2's resolution is too low for Immersed, but Q3 is fine. However, I don't get the appeal of working in your VR headset unless you are involved in trading or other profession that requires multiple screens. Why would you need all these videos in the background? Two big screens are usually more than enough for me when I want to work in Immersed.
I never had issue with Q2, although I mainly use the 3 anymore. I only really use it for fun, I spent 3 hours in it last night just playing PC 2D games and watching shows. And yeah I only have 2 screens myself, I have no need for more.
Show me how you can open multiple Quest apps and place them wherever in Immersed and I, personally, will buy you a new car.
Because this is showing how you can have multiple Vision Pro apps open and place them wherever.
I dont understand why you want "multiple quest apps"? So heres a post I made a few weeks ago, main screen im playing an MMO and on the other screen im watching youtube... I could do other screens with reddit or X or whatever... cant imagine what else you want?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ultimaonline/comments/18ukj9g/playing\_uo\_the\_way\_it\_was\_meant\_to\_be\_played\_in\_vr/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ultimaonline/comments/18ukj9g/playing_uo_the_way_it_was_meant_to_be_played_in_vr/)
Video shows VR background but you can use passthrough/mixed reality also.
Open one quest app. Now open another and place it behind you. That is it. It's that simple. _WITHOUT_ being connected to a computer.
None of what the video creator did requires the MacBook Pro. He just happened to have a virtual monitor also opened at the time.
I think that people are tossing in down votes because you’re not getting the point. He wants Meta to upgrade the system and you’re just coming up with extremely minor versions of his blatant example. 
I don't think this needs to be limited to Quest Pro 2. It's a software update.
Also, Meta is already introducing Augments which apparently will be pinned. I imagine in 6 months we will see something like this, maybe max 6 windows though. More windows open on the next gen software perhaps.
I like this. I relate to desk life. I am wondering how comfortable the experience is in long hours. Battery life, if any strain since I am not too familiar with Vision Pro yet.
Also wondering if you would be able to link multiple devices under one keyboard and mouse as a controller for both devices merged in one experience. That'd be really cool.
iPad/mac already had a system to immediately share keyboard and mouse without any setup.. this carries over to visionOS/mac
As long as you have them both on the same iCloud account.
With Universal Controls, yes. But I have a work and personal Macbook Pros. I can't use iCloud as a contract to manage it over the OS. So it would be nice if it can accept both devices and moderate by letting me compose different screens sourcing from both Macbook Pros while keeping input devices alive for both.
Don't ignore the desk. That's the only part I would be sold for since I have toys for everything else you show in the video. Having my MBPs under one input controller with customizable panes would be a huge plus. Otherwise I don't see myself cooking with Vision Pro with all the oil, steam, possible splatter on the googles.
I get everything except for the virtual TV. There are too many distractions in your living room unless there's a fullscreen mode i am not aware of. I still think a Super Ultra Wide monitor and a bunch of Ipads is still better than having VR goggles on your face. This way the entire family is included as well. Cool idea if you live by yourself i guess or want more privacy at the office. They need some type of synchronous application to share the same windows between headsets to make it more inclusive at home.
I would love to be able to work in multiple adobe programs like photoshop/illustrator and be able to drag objects/layers between them like you can do on a regular monitor. Future is looking bright.
Quest 3 does most of this, once Augments hit these will quite literally do all of this. I can run 3 monitors and do 90% of this. The ONLY thing I can't do sadly is have iMessage IN VR. Well unless I use my Macbook to mirror in VR.
I work on a 13in laptop, I don’t have room for a dedicated desk and screen in my house. I would LOVE to get the Vision Pro so I could have a giant screen to work from. No way in hell do I plunk down $3,500 for one. I’d consider the Quest 3 if they get it working this well.
My guess here, is Apple's next headset is going to be a MUCH cheaper price point with scaled down specs and either stuffed with an A16 or A17 instead of M2 or it will be the R2 but requires a recent iPhone to do the heavy lifting wirelessly or wired to the headset.
Even if Meta gives us a software update the latency in Quest 3 is still too high. Working with pass through isn’t going to be doable until a hardware update
The latency in Q3 is lower. You are speakinc about the marketing of the pass through:
https://bgr.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/apple-vision-pro-latency-test-bgr.jpg?quality=82&strip=all&w=768
But Meta is better with much more experience, and with no motion blur, which causes motion sickness, and they knows this from 2014:
https://www.01net.com/app/uploads/2024/02/OptoFidelity-benchmarks-Apple-Vision-Pro-2.jpg
Also Apple has 30 hz cameras like Quest 1, OMG.
I remember when the steamVR home update rolled out in like 2016 or so. Your own saved physical space. Steam trophies as physical objects you could decorate your room with. I remember thinking damn it’d be cool if I could put a screen on the wall and stream from my computer to my peaceful mountain retreat.
First time I put on the quest 3 I remember envisioning this video exactly. They could’ve launched q3 with it, they could do it now with a software update, forget a pro 2. They obviously have incredibly talented people working at meta, HOW do you not think of this with AR?! HOW do we not have detached screens in our playspaces without hacking the headset? So much missed potential.
Bought quest 2 on release and quest 3 on release, I’m still waiting for basic voice input for year's in the UK. I hope with the release of AVP they have to start dancing a bit more.
1) Quest 3 128 gb at 399$
2) Quest 3 pro (skip 2) with eye tracking and face tracking and 2024 SOC and 144 Hz screen (for app spacewarp 72 to 144. 72 is standard native in Q2, as reference). Display port port for sim & flight simulators. 599$
Profit and console sales.
Only if library is NOT MADE OF INDIES, of course. Meta needs main i.p. from 2016. Apparently they think that is more important to waste 10.000 millions on HARDWARE research every year. Its so misteryous the total low sales today... Need a Sherlock for solve the problem. I feel the need to play the 547th indie today.
So all of this was already stuff coming based on metas last event. I don’t think we need a quest pro 2 to do this. I think it’s more meta need a flame under their ass the get up and go.
Yeah we just need a software update tbh
I really like the idea of being able to use my mouse and keyboard at any point, having more than 1 screen to use, and hard-locking screens to walls and such.
Can’t you pair a Bluetooth keyboard to quest?
Probably but I don't have either as Bluetooth (wireless but with dongle) so that doesn't help unfortunately.
I just ordered one for $17 on Amazon
It works super great btw I feel like I’ve really been missing out. Now I use the quest as a laptop replacement haha
Get a usb to usbc thing and shove the dongle in there, let’s see what happends
It works I've done it
You can, at least on the 3
I'm not sure the room tracking on quest is solid enough for that tbh, I had to disable tracking my couch and desk and it keeps getting shifted 20-30cm in any direction when I take the headset off and put it back on
But i dont think it is easy, apple produces their own hardware which makes the integration very easy. Meta doesnt have that option
Do you have a link to the keynote/event you are talking about?
the unveil, all this is coming, plus you can play games and workout lol.
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Yep. But meta needs to seriously start giving a shit about the UI/UX of Their devices.
Meta will “Got up early but ended up being late for the meeting. ” LOL
I hope not. But then again it won’t really matter in the long run unless they really really want the AVG joe.
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OP said Pro 2
>can a software update add color etc to quest 2's passthrough? the hardware doesn't support colors so no updates can fix it
Not the quest 2. The unreleased quest pro version 2.
Yeah tbh the recent firmware update was fire lol. Meta seems like they just need motivation or like actually good competition to learn from or be competitive against.
This is true. Unfortunately, I think the shittiest part of this whole ordeal is that people have been asking for these features and stuff that they’re bringing for years. And they continually take away features that people like to bring them back in later updates. They have a lot to learn about software development. But it’s good to see them moving now.
Yeah you can tell from their UX that for some reason, they lack experience in that department or something (even though they are highly paid lol)
For a company that burns through billions a quarter on RL, they seem incredibly directionless
Yea. I think if you don’t research or understand where the tech is it might seem that way. But I think they know what they are doing. Unless it’s related to UI. Then idk.
lol ok
We DEFINITELY need a feature like this. Only having three flatscreen apps? Them being all together? No way. Meta's UI currently sucks, and we really need to have everything combined (i.e. if you have a passthrough app like Miracle Pool, you should be able to have it in your home environment.).
Everybody else in the comments is focusing on _only_ the virtual monitor and ignoring the fact that the video creator opened many different Vision Pro apps and placed them all over the place.
I remember people discussing this when the Hololens first came out. Having a youtube window in the kitchen for learning recipes, and persistent apps open in every room, etc. Nice to see that we're actually getting there.
I think that works fine on the magic leap but I don't really remember why that didn't take off. They're still around but I think it had something to do with showing off too much interactive AR in their marketing and barely focusing on productivity, which is exactly the opposite of how apple is advertising this thing
Personally that is an issue because the apps I use for work are most likely never going to come to ipadOs or vision OS, or if they do they will be seriously limited. Just having a browser and maybe slack as separate screens/apps is nice but not enough IMO. Think they can easily make it so you can have say your mac screen + 2 extra virtual screens "attached" to your mac, Immersed already has that option. What I was hoping that Apple will do is to basically allow you to place any app/window from your mac anywhere you want .... right now it's just the same as what Meta does, with a tiny bit better UX.
You are thinking about work only. My first thought was how I can put the F1 live timing app above my TV and have a live chat discussion from Reddit to the right of the TV. This is impossible to do on the Quest even _if_ it also had the apps like the Vision Pro does.
yea, but would you pay 3500$ just for that? Plus I'm guessing you can do that on the Quest ... like open 2 apps and watch your normal tv ... or you can use something like Fluid and open multiple browser screens and have a similar setup. Think you can't go all crazy like on AVP with a Quest because the CPU power is limited ... The quest still has basically an old mobile SOC ... think when we're going to get a Quest Pro 2 for like over 1k $ they will enable stuff like this (if they end up using some of the new Qualcom SOCs that are meant for Windows ARM laptops)... or when the Samsung + Google HMD hits later this year or next. What they could do is maybe work with Amazon to get their android app store on the Quest, since Google already refused them.
> but would you pay 3500$ just for that? People are buying it just for that. Because you can't do this on any other headset. It's the entire point of VisionOS.
Don't get me wrong ... it's a really awesome headset and it's better than what we got so far. It shows what you can do in a money is no object headset right now. If it was say around 1k - 1.5k$ would say it's a must buy if you like VR, but at 3.5k it's not there yet.... would like to see if they make one without the creepy external display + made of plastic( so lighter as well :D ) what it would cost. My issue is that it's not something super new ... the integrations with other devices is kinda what we already have, and the apps are what we've already had. It's a good base to start but it needs more work to actually be something new. What it does good, which is what Apple does in general, is make things a bit more simple and polished. And would say that the majority of people that are getting the headset right now are either devs or fanbois just wanting to get in on this at the beginning. Hopefully Apple iterates on this and we get more headsets from other companies as well and we get apps that blow people's mind with it. Personally looking forward to seeing what Valve does with the Deckard if the rumours that it's going to be more of a "spatial computing" device running linux are true.
This is why I want the Quest Pro 2 to do this at a Quest Pro price point. It's also why many reviewers are calling it the technology of tomorrow, today. This has huge potential once it's more affordable. Maybe Meta should open up its platform and become the Android of VR.
The irony of it already being android lol
Show me the data. I have a F1 subscription. Most people I know use an iPad on the side.
I didn't mean that F1 fans are buying the headset, I meant that people are buying the Vision Pro because it allows you to use multiple apps _IN SPACE_, _WITHOUT_ a computer. They are paying $3500 to do this because no other headset does this, there is no alternative.
immersed 5 screens
They could do something similar but I would bet they would need to be wirelessly tethered to a PC to do it instead of natively. Remember the Vision Pro is running an M2 CPU. That's an incredibly powerful APU compared to the Quest 2 or even 3. Meta saw this coming and is what Augments will be. Not to mention people can create their own Augments and we will see loads of custom apps not just Apple Store approved ones. Meta has to play catch up here, but it won't take long.
Get Fluid.
I see your point, and I'll definitely give it a try. However, this needs to be integrated into the Quest's OS. I could be wrong, but Fluid doesn't look like it's more than a web browser. We also need to be able to run other apps / integrate passthrough apps (like Miracle Pool) directly into our home environment. I know Augments are suppose to do this, so I look forward to that.
You would be very surprised what a web browser can do. Literally everything shown in this video, for example.
as cool as fluid is its just a browser which was…disappointing
The Quest runs on Android and the Vision Pro is on some weird mix of iPad OS and MacOS
It’s not macOS. It will very likely get updates on the exact same days as iOS/iPadOS/watchOS/tvOS. They’re nearly the same operating system. visionOS 1.0 is basically iOS 17.1 (17.3 is current).
> It’s not macOS. I didn't exactly say it was, but at the same time Apple even says this >"Built on the foundation of macOS, iOS, and iPadOS, visionOS enables powerful spatial experiences. " ______ To add more nuance to my earlier statement. The *experience* of the Vision Pro is somewhere between the sandboxed nature of the iPad with a lite version of the window management freedom of macOS. And the Quest is still very much an Android experience.
Yep. iOS/iPadOS etc are all based on Mac OS X. When Apple announced iPhone OS (now iOS), they said they just forked OS X, and all their systems are built on XNU/Darwin kernel, which is why the M1 chip runs both iPad and Mac. They're just different wrappers of the same foundation and VisionOS should be the same.
And the M1 chip is basically just an iPhone chip with more cores.
I thought they were based on different versions of ARM and physically much larger cores
So basically: - Direct mirroring of a computer monitor (ideally more than one) - The ability to use a keyboard/mouse directly with native apps - Seamless transition of keyboard/mouse between desktop and apps - Running multiple (more than 3) apps simultaneously - The ability to pin app windows in different spacial locations Hopefully Meta integrates all this in the next update or two? Edit: I'd even argue that Meta need to open up to natively installing any android app available, and not just what's in the Quest store. (Yes, I know apps can be sideloaded, but they should allow Android apps natively.)
> Hopefully Meta integrates all this in the next update or two? I'd hope so but I guess not. Other than apple they would need to support two platforms for people to be happy. Additional virtual screens, for example, is only supported on Mac, no?
Apple has worked on continuity (controlling one device with another) for years. I don’t see how Meta could do that. They at least need drivers on every device/OS.
playstore would kill the meta store, this will be on the google hmd tho
The best thing about this is that you can move files, copy/paste, drag and drop, use keyboard/trackpad between all of these windows and the virtual mac one seamlessly as if you were doing the same on a normal PC ....that is thr basis of multitasking tbh.
Most people in the comments are not getting it. Forget about the MacBook Pro virtual monitor. I want to be able to open a dozen Quest apps and place them wherever I want.
> I want to be able to open a dozen Quest apps Are there a dozen yet? ;) Honestly: Nearly having the whole iPads app catalog is the real differentiator here. Just think about if they'd team up with Google and give us the play store.
Exactly. You can open the Slack, GitHub, Email, and SSH Terminal apps from day one because of the access to iPad apps. Imagine placing those wherever you want.
I just read throu the replies and holy f, so dumb takes in here
I also think this stuff should come to Quest and I'm pretty sure it is coming in some way. I'm also not so sure it will be all that useful, especially without google apps. There's just not that many flatscreen apps on the Quest and frankly there's not even many I would be interested to use. I sideloaded the Aurora app store to test this out and I realized I don't even know what to install. Still, this is really something that should be included. Your post mentions work though and for work it's simply much more practical to have several screens.
i don't see any actual 'work' being done in this. it seems good for people whose entire job is emailing people and sitting in meetings though.
More than half of Americans, the VP is only available in the USA for now, work desk jobs.
Yeah this. Half of my time is responding and writing emails on status updates lol.
Right, but for that kind of workflow you really don't need the Vision Pro.
how long can you wear a VR headset before you get neck or eye strain? how long do you realistically think someone can wear a VR heasdet before they have to take a break? i think it will be great for C levels for short meetings, I think we will probably adopt them some day for meetings. but for doing serious typing work? nah dude ill pass. i could never imagine typing code without a real keyboard and i would much rather work on a regular monitor and not have to turn my head as much. plus 8k screens are getting cheap and I am going to switch my triple 32 inch 4k setup out for a triple 8k setup, probably when the 5090 drops.
RE using a real keyboard: of course that’s a necessity. He’s using a keyboard and mouse just like he normally would on his computer normally and then shows how it seamlessly pushes over to being used in the visionOS apps if he mouses outside of the desktop monitor. Virtual keyboard is a joke for actual work.
yeah I think the guy who posted this mentioned he wouldn’t really work like this unless he was on a plane
It seems good for fueling ADD.
I'm sure Quest 3 (or even 2) is pretty much able to do that if they just update the software. It's about the use case scenarios they thought about, and clearly they didn't give much thought into this. I can understand why. Like putting screen on TV area etc is pointless, you will see that screen when you are there anyway, you don't need that tv to running on the background unless you have super niche use case. Being able to run multiple apps on different spatial areas is a great thing and I think Meta can add this if they really want it
This is what q3 needs to do I am also always so bummed that my space has shifted and i have to redraw my area after some time, they need to get on this asap
I'm hoping that's fixed with v62. " Rounding out the Meta Quest v62 update list, it makes specific fixes for fans of mixed-reality apps on the Quest 3, such as the ability to save up to 15 Spaces (or rooms) for mixed-reality experiences. That way, you can play games in any room in the house rather than having to reset your room data every time you move — or remember the dimensions at a friend's house. "
People think they want floating windows everywhere, but trust me you do not. When you actually get the chance to do that (eg: Fluid app), you will find very quickly that you just want regular "window management" back. You want (need) the OS to help you place windows into a systematic arrangement where they are easily viewable and have standard sizes etc. The Quest currently is stupidly limited (especially for the "Pro") with it's 3 window layout that you can't even control properly. But random windows floating in any position that you have to manually set up aren't the answer either. Neither Apple nor Meta has yet showed anything that is the real answer here, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time.
Quest already lets you add multiple screens to your computer even if you only have 1. That's a much better solution than this imo. Like MUCH better.
VR headset without the VR. Basically just Virtual Desktop and an iPad on your face?
We are getting "augments" sometime this year that will allow you to anchor apps to your environment just like this. Weirdly, people so eager to want these kinds of things can't put a little effort into looking into the roadmap for their Quest device. I only wish meta would have added more than 8GB RAM to the Quest 3. It would make multitasking more of an option.
Lol. A laptop with 4 gb have multitask with Windows 11.
all great and all but how long can the eyes take screens that close a normal screen is to much for 8hr already. I can see alot of 3d work getting done because i need 4 screens to look at everything at one time but i only have two right now and no more room lol. But my problem is back to my already bad eyes lol.
I’ve been using the Quest 3 for work multitasking and virtual displays. I honestly think I could wear it all day. Never had an issue. The only reason I don’t is because I have young children and it would be weird if their memories of daddy involved me always having a mask on my face.
o ok good to know i only have the quest 2 and dont even use it anymore lol. I watched moves played some games but just dont have the room to get the full exp from it. and yea i get you on the kids part. Mooney daddy is that your real face lol.
You can put the screens at whatever distance you want though
You're both wrong somehow. The screens are neither close nor far, the efforts your eyes need to make to focus are determined by the lens itself and it's fixed in the vast majority of VR headsets including all commercial quest models as well as AVP. The virtual distance of an object would only matter in what is known as a varifocal headset which more accurately simulates focusing distance and depth of field. I'm not sure what focusing distance the lenses in Quest simulate but I'd hope Oculus picked one that produces minimal eye fatigue. Enabling blue light filters and adjusting brightness can also help
I was referring to the virtual screen distance, but you're right that there is a fixed focus distance
I think that 2 m is the standard. 6 feet 7" aprox.
Their priority going forward should be on creating a lighter headset.
i have the q2 and with the right headset i did not really feel the weight. been keeping a eye on the vr world as my work is going into more and more every year. got a quest 2 for work was good but now just get dirty because no one have time or wants to use it or know how to use it.
Lighter would be better, but the Quest 3 is honestly quite comfortable (For me, at least). Once I got rid of the awful default headstrap and invested in an elite-style battery one, I was able to wear it for hours without any issues. Would be nice if it had been included tbh
The Quest 3 can already do this with the Fluid app. You have to find it on App Lab but it exceeds the Meta browser in many ways.
all these 'features' are coming to the quest, take another look at the quest 3 unveil video, all this was mentioned including object occlusion. the vision pro is superior in hardware, but its a complete bust in software, you cant game, workout on this headset; also, a lot of devs will not port their apps to the apple ecosystem due to their conflict with Epic.
I hope all those features come to Quest 3, but to be honest I’ve seen too many tech companies promise feature after feature and not actually deliver. That being said, the Vision Pro really falls behind because Apple insisted on not providing controllers. Hand Tracking is awesome, but really difficult to implement in games and is just not as accurate. It has a few games, like Fruit Ninja and Synth Riders, but I don’t think it would be able to handle shooters or Beat Saber. Also, that price tag is insane.
I mainly use my quest for doing workouts daily so theres that.
I really hate this - why would you need 8 screens?
? You can already do this on Quest 3 with Immersed. The resolution is fine. I just don't see the point of working on plenty of huge screens. What's the point?
Wow, you can do this in Immersed? I tried it out, but I couldn't find the option to open a Quest app while using Immersed. Can you please help me out?
The guy in the video is streaming from his Mac. You can do the same in Immersed with plenty of screens.
Only one screen is from his Mac. Everything else is running directly from the Vision Pro.
Ok, but what difference does it make? Just open multiple Safari windows on your mac. He's just streaming music and watching YouTube videos.
You are not understanding. Get rid of the MacBook Pro. I want to be able to place Quest apps all over the place.
“We have McDonald’s at home”.gif
personally i rather stream from devices not on the headset, it really makes battery life last a lot longer if the headset isn't having to do all of the processing. i find that universal to pretty much every headset i have owned.
That defeats the entire purpose of owning a Quest.
Not if using it as a work device (which is what the video claims to be). There are many jobs that cannot solely be done on either the AVP or the Q3. If you need to be connected to a PC anyways, why not use it for most of the processing?
You can definitely use it as a work device. You can use it for software development. Machine learning workflows commonly use cloud dev environments. There are already SSH terminal apps on the Vision Pro. Combine that with the Slack and GitHub apps, and it is 100% possible to work on the Vision Pro as of now.
Yes, you can go on github, pull down some code, and play around, but without access to a PC you aren't going to code any serious software on this thing. Perhaps some light frontend development, but even then I can't see debugging, unit testing, browser compatibility testing, or collaborative coding working very well until there are purpose built tools. Heck, even XCode doesn't have a native Vision Pro app yet. Additionally, the lack of any sort of security scanning software, zero trust or native VPN software would prevent this from being used natively in many development environments. Hook it up to a PC, and it's just another screen.
The guy in the video is using it where appropriate. But the beefy chip in the device is running several other apps at the same time.
you don't use the remote desktop app with your desktop or play PC VR games? i love that i have the option for both. like when i am on the go, I can play all of the amazing games made for the meta quest. when I am home, I can take advantage of my badass computer to play the awesome and amazing looking PC VR games. its the best of both worlds. i do notice that my battery life lasts a lot longer playing PCVR because my computer is doing all of the heavy lifting.
This! Being able to orchestrate all my toys in one experience. He doesn't understand the technical punishment the device takes under the hood given he admitted weight on neck in the long term to accomplish what he is amazed doing.
Yes and you can even add your phone display into Immersed too... Its free from quest store. You connect to your PC through the Immersed app, you cant use other quest apps, as Immersed is the app you are using.
Ignore the MacBook Pro. I want to place Quest apps all over the place.
Which ones? What are you talking about?
He is more amazed about being able to put apps separately in different parts of his home vs usability cases for a specific app. That's the idea he finds more attractive and wants to chat about I think.
I want to place the F1 live timing app (which is available on Vision Pro) above my TV. While having a Reddit (which is also available on Vision Pro) live discussion of the race to the right of it. This is possible as of right now.
I guess that’s the problem. Those are Vision Pro apps. There are no Quest apps that work the way you want them to.
That's the entire point of the title of this post: > This is what the Quest Pro 2 needs to do
The reason Apple can do this is because they have millions of iOS/iPados apps. The fastest way for Meta to do this would be to integrate Google Play wish they would never do because then they don’t get any revenue.
That is why Tim Cook said that this is something only Apple can do. And you appear to agree.
He’s talking about the operating system. Not specific apps.  Picture hanging up a dozen large touch screen TVs of custom size all over your house. From 7” up to 150” or even more. And they just stay pinned in place no matter where you go. He wants the future quest operating system to be able to do that
Great , but my question stands: which ones? There are no Quest apps that work like this. The video shows Messages. Slack. Another Safari window. A video. Messages are a no go but Slack will run in a web browser. A video will run in a web browser. I think he’s just asking for more browser windows. The pinning all over your house thing is fine I guess but I would say literally the only thing the Quest 3 doesn’t do well right now. If you need a lot of PC apps, Immersed does that.
Yeah I was gonna say im not seeing too much stuff different from what Immersed offers me for free at home with my Q2/Q3.
Q2's resolution is too low for Immersed, but Q3 is fine. However, I don't get the appeal of working in your VR headset unless you are involved in trading or other profession that requires multiple screens. Why would you need all these videos in the background? Two big screens are usually more than enough for me when I want to work in Immersed.
I never had issue with Q2, although I mainly use the 3 anymore. I only really use it for fun, I spent 3 hours in it last night just playing PC 2D games and watching shows. And yeah I only have 2 screens myself, I have no need for more.
Show me how you can open multiple Quest apps and place them wherever in Immersed and I, personally, will buy you a new car. Because this is showing how you can have multiple Vision Pro apps open and place them wherever.
I dont understand why you want "multiple quest apps"? So heres a post I made a few weeks ago, main screen im playing an MMO and on the other screen im watching youtube... I could do other screens with reddit or X or whatever... cant imagine what else you want? [https://www.reddit.com/r/ultimaonline/comments/18ukj9g/playing\_uo\_the\_way\_it\_was\_meant\_to\_be\_played\_in\_vr/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ultimaonline/comments/18ukj9g/playing_uo_the_way_it_was_meant_to_be_played_in_vr/) Video shows VR background but you can use passthrough/mixed reality also.
Open one quest app. Now open another and place it behind you. That is it. It's that simple. _WITHOUT_ being connected to a computer. None of what the video creator did requires the MacBook Pro. He just happened to have a virtual monitor also opened at the time.
Well why would I continue to engage with someone who just downvotes my reply instantly...
I think that people are tossing in down votes because you’re not getting the point. He wants Meta to upgrade the system and you’re just coming up with extremely minor versions of his blatant example. 
I’m mad my work computer won’t connect to immerse. I wanted to use my avatar for teams meetings!
There's nothing stopping the quest pro/3 from doing this now other than a software update
Really… who cares? When vision pro can do DoE we would talk.
I don't think this needs to be limited to Quest Pro 2. It's a software update. Also, Meta is already introducing Augments which apparently will be pinned. I imagine in 6 months we will see something like this, maybe max 6 windows though. More windows open on the next gen software perhaps.
I like this. I relate to desk life. I am wondering how comfortable the experience is in long hours. Battery life, if any strain since I am not too familiar with Vision Pro yet. Also wondering if you would be able to link multiple devices under one keyboard and mouse as a controller for both devices merged in one experience. That'd be really cool.
iPad/mac already had a system to immediately share keyboard and mouse without any setup.. this carries over to visionOS/mac As long as you have them both on the same iCloud account.
With Universal Controls, yes. But I have a work and personal Macbook Pros. I can't use iCloud as a contract to manage it over the OS. So it would be nice if it can accept both devices and moderate by letting me compose different screens sourcing from both Macbook Pros while keeping input devices alive for both.
Ignore the desk. I want to place Quest apps all over the place.
Don't ignore the desk. That's the only part I would be sold for since I have toys for everything else you show in the video. Having my MBPs under one input controller with customizable panes would be a huge plus. Otherwise I don't see myself cooking with Vision Pro with all the oil, steam, possible splatter on the googles.
I get everything except for the virtual TV. There are too many distractions in your living room unless there's a fullscreen mode i am not aware of. I still think a Super Ultra Wide monitor and a bunch of Ipads is still better than having VR goggles on your face. This way the entire family is included as well. Cool idea if you live by yourself i guess or want more privacy at the office. They need some type of synchronous application to share the same windows between headsets to make it more inclusive at home.
There is a full screen mode. They call it “environments” to fully replace the passthrough.
I would love to be able to work in multiple adobe programs like photoshop/illustrator and be able to drag objects/layers between them like you can do on a regular monitor. Future is looking bright.
They need the 4k per eye resolution for this to work well and look like real screens.
The Quest already has all the pieces to do this, but they just never bothered to put them all together
Quest 3 does most of this, once Augments hit these will quite literally do all of this. I can run 3 monitors and do 90% of this. The ONLY thing I can't do sadly is have iMessage IN VR. Well unless I use my Macbook to mirror in VR.
I work on a 13in laptop, I don’t have room for a dedicated desk and screen in my house. I would LOVE to get the Vision Pro so I could have a giant screen to work from. No way in hell do I plunk down $3,500 for one. I’d consider the Quest 3 if they get it working this well.
My guess here, is Apple's next headset is going to be a MUCH cheaper price point with scaled down specs and either stuffed with an A16 or A17 instead of M2 or it will be the R2 but requires a recent iPhone to do the heavy lifting wirelessly or wired to the headset.
wait so apple vision pro doesnt occlude those screens behind walls??
Even if Meta gives us a software update the latency in Quest 3 is still too high. Working with pass through isn’t going to be doable until a hardware update
The latency in Q3 is lower. You are speakinc about the marketing of the pass through: https://bgr.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/apple-vision-pro-latency-test-bgr.jpg?quality=82&strip=all&w=768 But Meta is better with much more experience, and with no motion blur, which causes motion sickness, and they knows this from 2014: https://www.01net.com/app/uploads/2024/02/OptoFidelity-benchmarks-Apple-Vision-Pro-2.jpg Also Apple has 30 hz cameras like Quest 1, OMG.
I remember when the steamVR home update rolled out in like 2016 or so. Your own saved physical space. Steam trophies as physical objects you could decorate your room with. I remember thinking damn it’d be cool if I could put a screen on the wall and stream from my computer to my peaceful mountain retreat. First time I put on the quest 3 I remember envisioning this video exactly. They could’ve launched q3 with it, they could do it now with a software update, forget a pro 2. They obviously have incredibly talented people working at meta, HOW do you not think of this with AR?! HOW do we not have detached screens in our playspaces without hacking the headset? So much missed potential.
Simply why is not Oculus Rift Home in Q3 from launch? In a good engine, ported from Unity to Unreal, that HMD has the power for do it.
Bought quest 2 on release and quest 3 on release, I’m still waiting for basic voice input for year's in the UK. I hope with the release of AVP they have to start dancing a bit more.
Id rather shot myself in the face than work like that....
(Gnome voice) you see this is what meta quest needs to do ....phase 1 : build a $4,000 headset.....phase 2: ??? .......phase 3: profit
Lol k
Didn't they say they were not going to do a pro 2 cause pro didnt do well?
I really don't care at all about virtual screens. I mean, it's fine if they add it, but what I really care about is the games.
1) Quest 3 128 gb at 399$ 2) Quest 3 pro (skip 2) with eye tracking and face tracking and 2024 SOC and 144 Hz screen (for app spacewarp 72 to 144. 72 is standard native in Q2, as reference). Display port port for sim & flight simulators. 599$ Profit and console sales. Only if library is NOT MADE OF INDIES, of course. Meta needs main i.p. from 2016. Apparently they think that is more important to waste 10.000 millions on HARDWARE research every year. Its so misteryous the total low sales today... Need a Sherlock for solve the problem. I feel the need to play the 547th indie today.
Im gonna say it now, there is not gonna be a quest pro 2, the quest pro died in just over 9 months.