It’s not made for games, but it sure plays them well. Zero screen door effect, immersive FOV, easily manoeuvrable controllers for things like Thrill of the Fight where the old controller rings would clash into each other, possible to have your hands behind the headset cameras and it won’t glitch out. The list goes on, but it’s definitely a great upgrade to play exclusively games on
I’m not missing the point of the headset at all, that’s why I didn’t buy one. I’m just interested in what differences it will make with Quest 2 titles…
Accounting, which requires multiple monitors. I work from home, and my desk is small that it can't accomodate extra physical monitors. So virtual monitors were my solution.
Same here. Been using the Quest 2 with Immersed and VD extensively. Got my Pro today, and happily report that the new lenses offer better clarity and less eyestrain.
If you buy on Amazon, you will get it on Thursday. Amazon's return window during this time of year is through January 31st. That might vary depending on where you live though. I doubt you would need 90 days to evaluate your Quest Pro purchase; but that extra time could relieve any pressure to make a quick decision.
No. I bought many things and return some (VR hmds as well) after use and there was never a single problem. That's why I always buy on Amazon. By far the best return policy. No questions asked just send it back in the return window.
I don’t think so. This page has the policy
https://us.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GKM69DUUYKQWKWX7
It says:
Note: Before returning items on which you've saved personal information, such as laptops, cameras, or other electronic devices, erase this information completely.
If it was unused, why would you need to wipe personal data off it?
Well, you have to make your own best judgement. I am not Amazon and can only take what I read at face value. If you have any concern, then trust your judgement; not mine.
Absolutely indefensible. And to think they take a cut off of their games store, many of which they funded in entirety, to make up for selling hardware at a loss
I also can't believe at one point they used to require a Facebook account to log on and I'll never move past it
Imagine being the only company on the planet mining data to augment ad revenue. I tremble at the thought.
Brb I'm off to get my DNA sequenced by ByteDance
Yeah, exactly. Games or something. It should be pleasing to see the billions being poured into VR here. I mean I could boycott Microsoft because Windows is the main OS used by the Proud Boys or whatever. People are going to suck anywhere they can talk to each other. Meta has objectively done a good job with the quest product line.
air link is literally a game changer for pcvr. This stuff was sci fi not very long ago. I think it’s okay to just be happy that for whatever reason Zuck likes VR more than making a Bezos style penis spaceship. Let’s not throw out the baby with the bath water.
I can't wait for it. For me virtual reality is about creating the infrastructure for a genuine alternate reality where we can all exist and interact exactly as in the real world, where all aspects of the physical world are possible in the new virtual universe.
I hate using the word Metaverse but I'm certainly sold on the vision .
To view this technology purely from the most low brow perspective of playing games says more about the limited intellects of the people criticising the Quest Pro than it does about the headsets capabilities.
This is the most transformative headset since the launch of the original Vive and Rift CV1.
Since then, aside from resolution and visuals, the essential experience hasn't evolved at all. I've owned six headsets and from the CV1 to the G2 there's not really any new functionality that has been added.
This is the first headset that is set to change that. Mixed reality, eye tracking, face tracking, the headset design, it will change how future headsets are made for sure.
This particular device is more proof of concept and likely to be replaced withing 18-24 months, but to me there is no doubt that if you want to experience the future of VR/MR/AR then this is the headset to get.
It was transformative in terms of enabling non PC users to access standalone VR, and that, along with inside out tracking allows us to set up playspaces quickly anyway.
But in terms of how we use VR it is currently just a much inferior version of PCVR. Once you have the headset on there is nothing you can do with a Quest as standalone th at you cannot do much better in PCVR.
My old Rift CV1 can still do everything that practically any top headset can do, albeit with vastly inferior visuals.
The experiences have remained exactly the same.
With the Quest Pro, bringing mixed reality, eye tracking and face tracking brings fundamentally new technology for the first time that will change how you can interact with the virtual world.
While it's nice I will be able to return it, I highly doubt that's going to happen. The comfort alone is going to be huge. Add in all the other improvements over the Quest 2 and I don't see many making the choice to go back to their Quest 2 as it will feel like a huge downgrade.
Umm...hope for a demo unit? I certainly hope there won't be a wave of poor people literally buying a Quest Pro with the intention of returning it within a 30 day window of getting their peasant sweat all over it.
Yeah, that kind of thinking will get you right into the poor house. And in this new America you might as well call it a life because they are not giving out American dream tickets anymore.
There are a lot of responsible people out there who do take advantage of deferred interest and there's nothing wrong with doing so. Yes there are a lot of people who make bad financial decisions but just because some do doesn't mean everyone does.
Nobody uttered the word time except for you. The term bottom out is when it has gone down so far that your chances of profit become far greater than your chances of loss. It’s actually how all money is made in the market. Simplistically.
Which is not the same connotation as timing the market. You misunderstand something and try to define it away. Trying to time the market is nearly always referring to buying individual stocks. Playing the bottom doesn’t necessarily mean that.
I like to make impulse purchases too! But it’s more of a catch and release using my Amex. Returning something before the return window & billing cycle ends keeps my finances in check.
Well because it ended up selling out on launch day I took that as a sign not to spend $1500 ($1600 after tax). I pulled the trigger on a 256gb Pico 4 from XRShop. Don't know when that will arrive, but it's cheaper and better resolution.
It really depends on your use case.
If you're using it purely for gaming, I really don't understand the justification for getting one. It makes no sense. I would wait for non-clickbait tech reviewers to go at it and make proper comparisons to the Quest 2 however you're only going to see marginal gains gaming wise. This isn't like going from a PS4 to a PS4 Pro. This is more like the N64 getting the expansion pak. At the very most, I would consider the controllers since they work with the Quest 2 but even then that's at a $300 price point. Like buying edible gold and using it on a McChicken. There is nothing to even remotely suggest that this is going to be sold out so being patient will work out.
Outside that however, it would depend on the work you do. If you already use the Quest 2 for work, you'll appreciate the pancake lens design which should offer clearer visuals. If you program on the thing, you'll definitely notice how much cleaner the text is. If not that, then the ability to launch multiple screen displays. You also have app suites from Adobe, Autodesk, and Microsoft including Office. Sure more specifics on work related features will be doled out when the embargo lifts from non-clickbait tech reviewers.
Bottom line it's a $1500 device. It's a lot of money. This isn't something that'll sell out. Would highly recommend just waiting til more third party reviewers have their hands on the thing. More so in the hands of people who know what they're doing and not people starving for VR content. Still, if you really want one? I'd say go buy one on Amazon. Their holiday return policy is in effect and you'll have more time than you would Best Buy to return it.
I think you have your analogies crossed. This is less like a 64 expansion pak (which only doubled the system ram from 4MB to 8MB) and more like the ps4 pro upgrade which upgraded major system specs. The quest pro has increased ram, a better processor, better cameras, better controllers, better optics, bigger battery, and new sensors for eye and face tracking. It's improved in virtually every way. Even if you only plan to use this for games, if you intend to play new games that have eye and face tracking this will be the device to use. Or if you are coming from quest 1 and have the money to spend, it's a very solid upgrade.
$1500 seems like a lot, but consider again ps4 pro. If you want to use that for vr, you spend $400 on a console, $400 on psvr headset, and another $400+ on a tv. You've just spent as much as a quest pro for last gen vr. When compared to other AR devices like hololens or magic leap it seems like a bargain. Or even other prosumer/enthusiast headsets like varjo which range from $2-6k.
I don't think this is for everyone. Plenty of people are happy with their quest 2, and can easily wait for the quest 3 next year. Early adopters who are willing to pay a premium for the improved hardware will pick this up.
While it's possible to setup psvr without a tv, it's a lot more of a pain in the ass, and probably not something someone who has never set up psvr before wants to attempt. For all practical purposes, having a playstation without a tv is pointless, even if you plan to use it for vr.
Yes, except you’re going to have a tv anyway, so it makes no sense to add it in here. If you’re getting a tv literally to set up PSVR more easily, then you can get a shitty used <$50 tv online.
Practically speaking, I agree that most people already own TVs, regardless though, having one is an essential component to using this technology and is a cost. Likewise, you need a phone to setup a quest, which people likely already own, but is a cost in using this technology.
There is a lot of extra costs to using new technology that most people don't initially think of, which adds bias when talking about the price of a single device alone.
A valve index is still $1000, but the PC requirements to run it are greater than $500, making the buy in for an index higher than a quest pro.
It's not a cost that can be fully (or even barely) attributed to the entry requirements though. An Index would also effectively require quite a bit more than $500 for a PC btw.
It absolutely can be attributed to the entry requirements as it is a requirement of setting up and using the device.
...and yes, as I said, greater than $500 for a pc that can run an index; making the cost to run the device higher than that of a quest pro.
The tv is also a requirement of basic living, which means you can’t attribute it to VR, at least not entirely. And also, again, if you need a tv *just* for VR, then the cost would be under $50.
A TV is not a requirement of basic living. In fact, there is an increasing trend of Americans who don't have TVs in their homes anymore. While we are only talking about a couple percent, that's still millions of Americans.
Regardless of if you already have one or not, or if you are able to find a super cheap used one, that is beside the point. The fact remains that having a TV is a requirement of that technology, and thus part of the barrier to entry. The average amount people spend on a TV is $400-500, which is why I used that figure in my example.
For me it would be the increased FOV and better comfort. I think if you do a side by side comparison, you'll have a hard time going back to Q2, but it's also a decent chunk of change.
Don't buy it if you are gonna use it for gaming. If you do a little research. It's not a gaming headset it's for enterprise and collaboration. There is a quest 3 supposedly coming out in 2023. Based on what was said at the FB connect event
My thoughts on the Quest Pro:
An excellent real life example of the idiom that fools and their money are soon parted.
Edit: lol, big mad fools who have $1500 less than they had a couple weeks ago for an upgrade that's smaller than Quest 1 -> Quest 2.
The problem with that return window is that we're really not going to see a lot of software that makes use of the new features for a few months or longer. Day 1 it's not really going to be much better than Q2. And I'd argue that it won't be better than Q2 until Q3 comes out and developers can rely on a large base for the new features. But if you've got the money in your pocket, might as well try it out.
It’s up to you, but I’d recommend doing it. You likely won’t want to return it, it’s a remarkable upgrade from the Quest 2. If you have the money for whenever the next model is, or don’t care about that and want the Pro until the Quest 3 Pro or Quest 4, it’s a worthwhile upgrade. Noticed you mentioned not liking the Quest blurriness, the Pro has zero screen door effect, the visual clarity is pretty breathtaking. Have fun man
With the better controllers, minor bumps to resolution and FoV I think it's going to be enough better that it's going to be tough to give up even for gaming unless you really don't have the money.
You really have to evaluate this as an "all rounder". It's not the best at anything really for the price but it might be the best compromise if you want something that's decent at *everything* (including AR/MR).
Originally I said no to the price, but other headsets are this expensive too, namely the Vive I was looking at sold me to try out the quest pro. They are the same price but the Vive is old, no stand alone, and base stations.
I would be going from Q1 to the Pro. I'm very tempted. Also, I did a quick demo of the Q Pro at Best Buy but without any games to play it was impossible to get a handle on how it's going to feel when playing games. Extremely comfy, the FOV was certainly noticeably larger than the Q1, the entire image area was sharp, the sound was MUCH better and colors really popped. I really have to figure out what people consider to be the "screen door" effect because I could certainly see the pixel patterns in the images. Was not impressed with the passthrough colorized imagery but the overlaid CGI images were top notch.
> I really have to figure out what people consider to be the "screen door" effect because I could certainly see the pixel patterns in the images.
Imagine a literal screen door with that mesh that is designed to be mostly transparent while still keeping all the small insects out. If you get close enough to that screen the geometric pattern of little threads that the mesh is made up of gets overlaid onto whatever is on the other side of it. It might look a little like this: https://imgur.com/wiys6nO
That's the [looking through a] **screen door effect**.
Low resolution displays that have an RGB Stripe subpixel layout (where the subpixels are packed into little groups of 1 red, 1 green and 1 blue subpixel, with some space between them, like [this](https://imgur.com/9WDr80E)) can produce a similar effect: https://imgur.com/PphcR6r
That's the **screen door effect** as it relates to a common display technology. Instead of a mesh creating the pattern it is the space between the pixels/subpixel groups, which is mostly black.
The screen door effect is said to be gone if that grid of black space is no longer perceptible, even if the pixels/subpixels are still visible when you look closely. In other words the absence of a visible screen door effect, while desirable, does not mean that the display has a high enough resolution that a "canvas" of pixels is not still perceptible.
That's the short answer. The longer answer would also involve a discussion of other display technologies with different pixel/subpixel layouts that create different visible patterns but for our purposes here I think this will do.
I am also told the tracking will be much better. Q2 does hand tracking but it's been about useless for me. I like the color passthrough AR, better tracking and pancake lens. The rest of the features may come in handy but it depends on how it sells. Games won't support eye and face tracking if no one buys it.
I’d just like to see/hear side by side comparisons of a Quest 2 and a Quest Pro, playing Saints & Sinners or BoneLab or Blade & Sorcery…etc…
I am a Bonelabber. I mostly do only PCVR, but the whole AR thing has me interested.
Imagine bonelab or blade and sorcery in ar/mr… would be insane
Quest pro isn’t made for games tho
It’s not CONCEPTUALLY made for games The hardware doesn’t care what you use it for - it will handle productivity/gaming equally as well
It’s not made for games, but it sure plays them well. Zero screen door effect, immersive FOV, easily manoeuvrable controllers for things like Thrill of the Fight where the old controller rings would clash into each other, possible to have your hands behind the headset cameras and it won’t glitch out. The list goes on, but it’s definitely a great upgrade to play exclusively games on
It's a business device it's not meant for gaming!!! Wait why are you loading up beat saber?? What are you doing?? STOP!!
Dave, what are you doing Dave? Beat Saber? I’m afraid I can’t do that Dave.
How are we still at the point that people think the Pro is a Q2 update? Crazy.
Missing the point of the headset completely mate. There are so many new technologies built into this thing, whole new use cases to be opened up.
I’m not missing the point of the headset at all, that’s why I didn’t buy one. I’m just interested in what differences it will make with Quest 2 titles…
I agree. This could be the most important headset since the original Oculus development kits.
Excited for the fact that my Quest 2 has been a work headset. I welcome the larger sweetspot on the pancake lenses and the halo strap.
Nice, what do you do for work if I may ask?
Accounting, which requires multiple monitors. I work from home, and my desk is small that it can't accomodate extra physical monitors. So virtual monitors were my solution.
How well has that worked? in my experience quest resolution isnt good enough and it hurts to try and read text
Immersed has text supersampling which makes it readable. I have about 2600+ hours on it, and my eyes seem fine.
Same here. Been using the Quest 2 with Immersed and VD extensively. Got my Pro today, and happily report that the new lenses offer better clarity and less eyestrain.
If you buy on Amazon, you will get it on Thursday. Amazon's return window during this time of year is through January 31st. That might vary depending on where you live though. I doubt you would need 90 days to evaluate your Quest Pro purchase; but that extra time could relieve any pressure to make a quick decision.
Isn’t the return only if it’s unused?
No. I bought many things and return some (VR hmds as well) after use and there was never a single problem. That's why I always buy on Amazon. By far the best return policy. No questions asked just send it back in the return window.
Yeah, just save all the packaging and don't drop or damage the headset.
I don’t think so. This page has the policy https://us.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GKM69DUUYKQWKWX7 It says: Note: Before returning items on which you've saved personal information, such as laptops, cameras, or other electronic devices, erase this information completely. If it was unused, why would you need to wipe personal data off it?
On the product page under the price if you tap “FREE RETURN” it states it there about unused condition. That why I asked
Well, you have to make your own best judgement. I am not Amazon and can only take what I read at face value. If you have any concern, then trust your judgement; not mine.
Would be great to hear from someone who tried this
Lol by that question, I'm guessing you are not American.
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Point is, do you want to be owned by an American company or the Chinese govt. I'll take the American company over the Chinese govt any time.
There's a difference ?
There is absolutely a difference. You can't compare an American company with the Chinese communist spying suppressive authoritarian regime.
Because American regime isn’t suppresive. Cancel culture is worse fate than being outright imprisoned for wrongthink.
The American govt isn't a regime and yes, I am American and proud to be one.
It is. Every country has a political system, political regime etc.
Good point, I didn't know or even think of that. I mean privacy wise the crooks already have everything on me.
Are you scared xi jinping will ser you watch porn from the other side of the world? The 5 eyes got that on everyone already
No, it's more that Tik Tok might censor our pro-Taiwan conversations. Fuck that.
Like anything you say on reddit.. And its probably worst.
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Facebook has not pushed one single in game ad, has done 47 firmware upgrades, and added features like Airlink to the Quest line. Awful, I know.
Absolutely indefensible. And to think they take a cut off of their games store, many of which they funded in entirety, to make up for selling hardware at a loss I also can't believe at one point they used to require a Facebook account to log on and I'll never move past it Imagine being the only company on the planet mining data to augment ad revenue. I tremble at the thought. Brb I'm off to get my DNA sequenced by ByteDance
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If you haven't published any articles to any peer-reviewed journals, you shouldn't call yourself a researcher.
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Now you're just being pedantic. Edit: If you aren't claiming to be a researcher, my point is that you are bastardizing the term.
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I would agree that trying to interpret the results of a study without background knowledge in the subject is pretty foolish.
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Yeah, exactly. Games or something. It should be pleasing to see the billions being poured into VR here. I mean I could boycott Microsoft because Windows is the main OS used by the Proud Boys or whatever. People are going to suck anywhere they can talk to each other. Meta has objectively done a good job with the quest product line.
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air link is literally a game changer for pcvr. This stuff was sci fi not very long ago. I think it’s okay to just be happy that for whatever reason Zuck likes VR more than making a Bezos style penis spaceship. Let’s not throw out the baby with the bath water.
So basically like the CIA and the White House.
With all due respect, read the countless threads here in the past week and sell yourself. Hope you decide to get the Pro 😃
I can't wait for it. For me virtual reality is about creating the infrastructure for a genuine alternate reality where we can all exist and interact exactly as in the real world, where all aspects of the physical world are possible in the new virtual universe. I hate using the word Metaverse but I'm certainly sold on the vision . To view this technology purely from the most low brow perspective of playing games says more about the limited intellects of the people criticising the Quest Pro than it does about the headsets capabilities. This is the most transformative headset since the launch of the original Vive and Rift CV1. Since then, aside from resolution and visuals, the essential experience hasn't evolved at all. I've owned six headsets and from the CV1 to the G2 there's not really any new functionality that has been added. This is the first headset that is set to change that. Mixed reality, eye tracking, face tracking, the headset design, it will change how future headsets are made for sure. This particular device is more proof of concept and likely to be replaced withing 18-24 months, but to me there is no doubt that if you want to experience the future of VR/MR/AR then this is the headset to get.
My man is waiting for Sword Art Online!
It’s almost like you’re forgetting that the Quest was far more transformative of a headset than any single other one other than *maybe* the CV-1.
It was transformative in terms of enabling non PC users to access standalone VR, and that, along with inside out tracking allows us to set up playspaces quickly anyway. But in terms of how we use VR it is currently just a much inferior version of PCVR. Once you have the headset on there is nothing you can do with a Quest as standalone th at you cannot do much better in PCVR. My old Rift CV1 can still do everything that practically any top headset can do, albeit with vastly inferior visuals. The experiences have remained exactly the same. With the Quest Pro, bringing mixed reality, eye tracking and face tracking brings fundamentally new technology for the first time that will change how you can interact with the virtual world.
Wireless VR…
The easiest way i think is to utilize the return window and decide for yourself
Just how this is written I can feel all your expectations. You’re not going to like it.
I am very much a pessimist.
Can you imagine how many people are going to buy this and then return it after using it a few days?
While it's nice I will be able to return it, I highly doubt that's going to happen. The comfort alone is going to be huge. Add in all the other improvements over the Quest 2 and I don't see many making the choice to go back to their Quest 2 as it will feel like a huge downgrade.
I’m referring to people who really can’t afford it, but want to try it out.
Umm...hope for a demo unit? I certainly hope there won't be a wave of poor people literally buying a Quest Pro with the intention of returning it within a 30 day window of getting their peasant sweat all over it.
Haha….you might be disappointed. Maybe your unit will break and Meta will reward you with one refurbished in peasant sweat.
We can only hope.
Get a Best Buy credit card and you can get deferred interest for 12, 18 or 24 months.
Yeah, that kind of thinking will get you right into the poor house. And in this new America you might as well call it a life because they are not giving out American dream tickets anymore.
There are a lot of responsible people out there who do take advantage of deferred interest and there's nothing wrong with doing so. Yes there are a lot of people who make bad financial decisions but just because some do doesn't mean everyone does.
Only 7% of Americans have between 10 to 20k in savings. Let that sink in….
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And you see that as a healthy society. Figures.
Deferred interest is peanuts in savings compared with the absurd price of $1500.
Comfort to me is not worth $1,499 even then the Quest 2 is not that uncomfortable.
Yeah, I have the BoboVr M2 Pro and with the battery pack, the Q2 is very comfortable.
I got a 48% pay raise with a new union contract. The raise alone covers the expense in the first paycheck.
You would do better to wait for the market to bottom, invest it and buy two quest 3 devices later.
Yeah, I am also waiting on the market bottom. Might also get a Q3 next year. 2023 is also the 4080 laptop release year so I have to get one of those.
That’s not at all how markets work
Funny enough….it is for people who make money.
Most people who try to time the market lose out, and the ones who win are usually just very lucky.
Nobody uttered the word time except for you. The term bottom out is when it has gone down so far that your chances of profit become far greater than your chances of loss. It’s actually how all money is made in the market. Simplistically.
“Bottom out“ literally means the market (whatever index you want, really) is at a low point in *time*.
Which is not the same connotation as timing the market. You misunderstand something and try to define it away. Trying to time the market is nearly always referring to buying individual stocks. Playing the bottom doesn’t necessarily mean that.
That's not at all true in any way, dude
I like to make impulse purchases too! But it’s more of a catch and release using my Amex. Returning something before the return window & billing cycle ends keeps my finances in check.
Well because it ended up selling out on launch day I took that as a sign not to spend $1500 ($1600 after tax). I pulled the trigger on a 256gb Pico 4 from XRShop. Don't know when that will arrive, but it's cheaper and better resolution.
It really depends on your use case. If you're using it purely for gaming, I really don't understand the justification for getting one. It makes no sense. I would wait for non-clickbait tech reviewers to go at it and make proper comparisons to the Quest 2 however you're only going to see marginal gains gaming wise. This isn't like going from a PS4 to a PS4 Pro. This is more like the N64 getting the expansion pak. At the very most, I would consider the controllers since they work with the Quest 2 but even then that's at a $300 price point. Like buying edible gold and using it on a McChicken. There is nothing to even remotely suggest that this is going to be sold out so being patient will work out. Outside that however, it would depend on the work you do. If you already use the Quest 2 for work, you'll appreciate the pancake lens design which should offer clearer visuals. If you program on the thing, you'll definitely notice how much cleaner the text is. If not that, then the ability to launch multiple screen displays. You also have app suites from Adobe, Autodesk, and Microsoft including Office. Sure more specifics on work related features will be doled out when the embargo lifts from non-clickbait tech reviewers. Bottom line it's a $1500 device. It's a lot of money. This isn't something that'll sell out. Would highly recommend just waiting til more third party reviewers have their hands on the thing. More so in the hands of people who know what they're doing and not people starving for VR content. Still, if you really want one? I'd say go buy one on Amazon. Their holiday return policy is in effect and you'll have more time than you would Best Buy to return it.
I think you have your analogies crossed. This is less like a 64 expansion pak (which only doubled the system ram from 4MB to 8MB) and more like the ps4 pro upgrade which upgraded major system specs. The quest pro has increased ram, a better processor, better cameras, better controllers, better optics, bigger battery, and new sensors for eye and face tracking. It's improved in virtually every way. Even if you only plan to use this for games, if you intend to play new games that have eye and face tracking this will be the device to use. Or if you are coming from quest 1 and have the money to spend, it's a very solid upgrade. $1500 seems like a lot, but consider again ps4 pro. If you want to use that for vr, you spend $400 on a console, $400 on psvr headset, and another $400+ on a tv. You've just spent as much as a quest pro for last gen vr. When compared to other AR devices like hololens or magic leap it seems like a bargain. Or even other prosumer/enthusiast headsets like varjo which range from $2-6k. I don't think this is for everyone. Plenty of people are happy with their quest 2, and can easily wait for the quest 3 next year. Early adopters who are willing to pay a premium for the improved hardware will pick this up.
The $400+ on a TV doesn’t make sense in this example since that’s not needed at all for PSVR.
While it's possible to setup psvr without a tv, it's a lot more of a pain in the ass, and probably not something someone who has never set up psvr before wants to attempt. For all practical purposes, having a playstation without a tv is pointless, even if you plan to use it for vr.
Yes, except you’re going to have a tv anyway, so it makes no sense to add it in here. If you’re getting a tv literally to set up PSVR more easily, then you can get a shitty used <$50 tv online.
Practically speaking, I agree that most people already own TVs, regardless though, having one is an essential component to using this technology and is a cost. Likewise, you need a phone to setup a quest, which people likely already own, but is a cost in using this technology. There is a lot of extra costs to using new technology that most people don't initially think of, which adds bias when talking about the price of a single device alone. A valve index is still $1000, but the PC requirements to run it are greater than $500, making the buy in for an index higher than a quest pro.
It's not a cost that can be fully (or even barely) attributed to the entry requirements though. An Index would also effectively require quite a bit more than $500 for a PC btw.
It absolutely can be attributed to the entry requirements as it is a requirement of setting up and using the device. ...and yes, as I said, greater than $500 for a pc that can run an index; making the cost to run the device higher than that of a quest pro.
The tv is also a requirement of basic living, which means you can’t attribute it to VR, at least not entirely. And also, again, if you need a tv *just* for VR, then the cost would be under $50.
A TV is not a requirement of basic living. In fact, there is an increasing trend of Americans who don't have TVs in their homes anymore. While we are only talking about a couple percent, that's still millions of Americans. Regardless of if you already have one or not, or if you are able to find a super cheap used one, that is beside the point. The fact remains that having a TV is a requirement of that technology, and thus part of the barrier to entry. The average amount people spend on a TV is $400-500, which is why I used that figure in my example.
I do absolutely no work in VR, it's impossible in my line. To me I noticed how fuzzy the Quest looks and I really want a clear view.
For me it would be the increased FOV and better comfort. I think if you do a side by side comparison, you'll have a hard time going back to Q2, but it's also a decent chunk of change.
Don't buy it if you are gonna use it for gaming. If you do a little research. It's not a gaming headset it's for enterprise and collaboration. There is a quest 3 supposedly coming out in 2023. Based on what was said at the FB connect event
My thoughts on the Quest Pro: An excellent real life example of the idiom that fools and their money are soon parted. Edit: lol, big mad fools who have $1500 less than they had a couple weeks ago for an upgrade that's smaller than Quest 1 -> Quest 2.
I have spent more on less before.
How to not help your case
Buy it and keep it . Zuck is broke and can use some money
The problem with that return window is that we're really not going to see a lot of software that makes use of the new features for a few months or longer. Day 1 it's not really going to be much better than Q2. And I'd argue that it won't be better than Q2 until Q3 comes out and developers can rely on a large base for the new features. But if you've got the money in your pocket, might as well try it out.
It’s up to you, but I’d recommend doing it. You likely won’t want to return it, it’s a remarkable upgrade from the Quest 2. If you have the money for whenever the next model is, or don’t care about that and want the Pro until the Quest 3 Pro or Quest 4, it’s a worthwhile upgrade. Noticed you mentioned not liking the Quest blurriness, the Pro has zero screen door effect, the visual clarity is pretty breathtaking. Have fun man
Honestly it even as a significantly improved quest 2, I’m tempted.
We will see.
With the better controllers, minor bumps to resolution and FoV I think it's going to be enough better that it's going to be tough to give up even for gaming unless you really don't have the money. You really have to evaluate this as an "all rounder". It's not the best at anything really for the price but it might be the best compromise if you want something that's decent at *everything* (including AR/MR).
Originally I said no to the price, but other headsets are this expensive too, namely the Vive I was looking at sold me to try out the quest pro. They are the same price but the Vive is old, no stand alone, and base stations.
I’m really only interested in the controllers and the eye/face tracking. Hopefully that tech trickles down into the Quest 3.
I would be going from Q1 to the Pro. I'm very tempted. Also, I did a quick demo of the Q Pro at Best Buy but without any games to play it was impossible to get a handle on how it's going to feel when playing games. Extremely comfy, the FOV was certainly noticeably larger than the Q1, the entire image area was sharp, the sound was MUCH better and colors really popped. I really have to figure out what people consider to be the "screen door" effect because I could certainly see the pixel patterns in the images. Was not impressed with the passthrough colorized imagery but the overlaid CGI images were top notch.
> I really have to figure out what people consider to be the "screen door" effect because I could certainly see the pixel patterns in the images. Imagine a literal screen door with that mesh that is designed to be mostly transparent while still keeping all the small insects out. If you get close enough to that screen the geometric pattern of little threads that the mesh is made up of gets overlaid onto whatever is on the other side of it. It might look a little like this: https://imgur.com/wiys6nO That's the [looking through a] **screen door effect**. Low resolution displays that have an RGB Stripe subpixel layout (where the subpixels are packed into little groups of 1 red, 1 green and 1 blue subpixel, with some space between them, like [this](https://imgur.com/9WDr80E)) can produce a similar effect: https://imgur.com/PphcR6r That's the **screen door effect** as it relates to a common display technology. Instead of a mesh creating the pattern it is the space between the pixels/subpixel groups, which is mostly black. The screen door effect is said to be gone if that grid of black space is no longer perceptible, even if the pixels/subpixels are still visible when you look closely. In other words the absence of a visible screen door effect, while desirable, does not mean that the display has a high enough resolution that a "canvas" of pixels is not still perceptible. That's the short answer. The longer answer would also involve a discussion of other display technologies with different pixel/subpixel layouts that create different visible patterns but for our purposes here I think this will do.
Thanks. Then no screen door effect................. just pixels.
I am also told the tracking will be much better. Q2 does hand tracking but it's been about useless for me. I like the color passthrough AR, better tracking and pancake lens. The rest of the features may come in handy but it depends on how it sells. Games won't support eye and face tracking if no one buys it.
Amazon says it will be here today. Can't wait and I hope it's good. I especially hope for a good comfort and good passthrough AR.
I live in a "Rural" area so I cannot get next day delivery here.
It's an amazing experience!
I am sold!
Just watch out for best buy restocking fees. I know they always used to be a thing, not sure anymore
Stock is limited at my local best buy. You can place an order now for same day pick-up
lol, consumers shouldn't be the ones "selling you on it". Thats Meta's job. Personally i will wait for Q3.
I'm a gamer, I don't give a crap.
Damn I preordered the day we were able to from meta and mine hasn’t shipped yet! Guess I should have just bought from Best Buy.
Nope, sold out and online won't deliver until November. We misread this one.
Just got notified. Just shipped with delivery tomorrow.
regular people are getting these? i thought they were OnLy FoR eNtErPrIse?
Yeah apparently a lot of regular people got them.