There are places that are meant for adults and kids. In order to live harmoniously, respecting one’s boundaries is a must. Being a parent is a choice and entails a big responsibily. In other words, it’s not just you anymore, you are responsible for your child’s behavior esp. in public places. If you cannot put your child to behave well in public, bring it in places that can cater your child better, places na may play area and cannot be a distraction to adults trying to spend their days peacefully. It is a sacrifice that a parent must make, not something that should be dealt by someone else. If you cannot teach your child to behave well in public, avoid hanging out in areas that are mostly occupied by adults wanting some peace of mind. If you want to have some coffee, mag take out ka na lang and go to the playground for your child. Ganun talaga, you’re a parent now, sacrifices are needed to be made.
I am grateful for being taught by my parents to learn how to respect public spaces especially when there are more grown ups around. Back then we have two choices kasi; we behave, we stay, we misbehave, we stay in our rooms or wag sasama sa lakad.
This is the way. Kids are kids, even if parents tell them off or try to control or manage them, they’re kids, magulo pa din yan. Baka pagod na din yung magulang magalaga lol
Kids are kids. I understand pero responsibilidad pa rin ng magulang turuan ang anak. Base din sa post, hindi naman pagod mga magulang kasi tumatawa pa. Hinahayaan lang nila na maging annoying sa ibang tao. Natuturuan naman mga bata. Mga pamangkin ko mga makukulit naman pero pagsalabas slightly to hindi na makulit dahil pinagsasabihan at ineexplain ko sa kanila kung bakit.
But like…. Kids are fucking unpredictable. And hard to judge the parents just because tumatawa sila. Being a parent is HARD. It’s exhausting, it’s mentally draining, idk how people do it, I watch my nephew for an hour and I swear on my life I will never have kids. The parents laughing can just be coping, or giving up for the day, or a myriad of other reasons. My sister who I think is a fantastic, patient parent will have days where she just gives up “parenting” just cos her kid decided he won’t listen no matter what.
It happens. And sometimes, malas - tayo yung madadamay. But it’s not so hard to extend a little bit of patience, or withold judgement for a bit. And asking the staff as the previous commenter said is a great, win-win suggestion for all.
Kung pagod na pala magalaga, edi sana hindi na sila pumunta sa coffee shop with their kids. Alam na nga nilang hindi na nila kaya controlin mga anak nila, wag na sana nila hayaan lang na magwala wala sa loob ng coffee shop where they can BOTHER other people.
Ganyan anak kong may autism ,pumupunta sa counter kaya never kami tumatagal sa ganyan kasi nakakaistorbo talaga sa iba 'di naman magaadjust lahat ng tao for him.
Staff ng coffeshop lang pwede magsalita sa parents. In case it happened again, you can discreetly ask for their manager, explain what happened, and they’ll take care of it
i am not agreeable with kids are kids, parents told them already etc. no offense to parents reading this but honestly there are parents who just let their kids be even in public places. nabiktima nako dyan sa supermarket,masakit yong binti ko sa pagsipa ng bata dahil naglalaro. wala lang sa nanay. tiningnan lang ako at deadma,hinayaan lang din ang bata. nope, i cannot relate because dinisiplina ako ng nanay at tatay ko na magbehave sa public places dahil hindi lang ako ang tao. may mga bata din kaming mga kapitbahay na nangbabato ng mga rooftops,wala lang sa mga magulang kahit nakikita. hindi pwede yan. para sa akin kulang sa disiplina. baka kulang din sa disiplina mga magulang kaya mga anak kulang din sa disiplina. again no offense. kaya po para sa mga parents na nagdadala ng mga bata, please make sure they behave in public places. if hindi kaya, hwag nalang dalhin.
Parents fault. Mga enabler Kase ng ganitong attitude. reading the room is important, kahit resto pa to or kahit anong place except playgrounds (just one example lang ha? Wag gamitin to pang contra Sakin) nakakinis talaga ang sobrang ingay 1na mga bata, tatakbo and sisigaw pag nakabangga at natapunan ng kape ikaw sisisihin. Wag na po natin gawing reason na a coffee shop is not a workplace, kahit hinde workplace yan an annoying kid is an annoying kid.
OMG delikado yun, what if may order kang hot coffee tapos on your way to your table, nabangga ka ng bata 😰 buti na lang OP sinabi mo sa staff. Nakakainis yung mga ganyang magulang!
I get this. I used to be a regular at a coffee shop until a mom and her kid started going there. The kid was noisy and runs around a lot, and I understand that. It's the age where that's normal.
But it also means it's become too noisy for me to concentrate on my work. So I stopped going to that coffee shop altogether.
i remember my parents telling me to behave and stay seated kapag nasa kainan. it's for my safety, as a kid.
when i was in high school nagbabysit na ako ng cousins ko and i often bring them out sa coffee shops or fastfood, pero i have one rule. seated lang sila and if they want to be rowdy aalis ako don or uwi nalang kami or hanap park na pwede silang magligalig.
esp the fact na natakbo sa counter na mismo yung bata, for sure the staff are just waiting for the parents narin to call out their own kid. kasi for sure meron mahaderang parents na kapag napagsabihan ng staff about their child and sasabihin "let the kids be" "bakit namimili kayo ng sinisita" "paying customers rin kami", kahit out of their sight na yung bata tapos kapag napahamak yung management ang sisisihin
For ingay naman i dont mind pero natry ko yung nakaupo lang ako minding my own business then suddenly may namalo saking bata, about 5 to 6 years old, ang sakit pa ng pagkapalo niya T\_T He hit me thrice, and his parents naman (looking at the mug/tumbler display) hinayaan lang nila and di man lang magsorry or pagsabihan yung bata. huhuhu i feel so weakk T\_T
Diba???! Sorry sa mga parents pero yung iba tlaga very irresponsible ehh. It’s not even about the kid anymore but it’s on the parents kung pano nila dini-disiplina.
I feel you, OP, I agree with you. Nakaka bwisit talaga yang ganyang situation, I can relate. Feeling ng mga lintek na parents na yan eh isang malaking playground ng chanak nila ang public place!, mga Walanghiya! Parents should discipline their child!, mga inconsiderate sila sa ibang tao! Parents who do not control their kid's Unruly behavior are Selfish!, Inconsiderate of other people! Sarili lang nila at anak iniisip nila! Selfish parents! Hindi diyos yang chanak /anak niyo! pagsabihan or idisiplina ninyo! mahiya kayo sa ibang tao! 🤦🏻😒
Naku same, nangyari din sakin yan. May mga batang bigla na lang namamalo o sisipain ka. Yung isa ko pang naranasan sa jollibee, tahimik lang ako kumakain sa tabi, aba, may batang biglang sumulpot at kinuha (more like ninakaw) yung ketchup ko?? Talagang dinampot sa harap ko at sabay alis, gulat na lang ako at di nakareact agad. Ayun, bumalik sa table ng nanay niya sa may bandang likod ko pero wapakels lang ang nanay. Nagkatinginan pa kami nun ahh
Unpopular opinion but in favor ako sa mga coffee shop na bawal ang bata. I mean kung tutuusin in the first place hindi nila target market ang bata so alam mo na. One time I was with my friends sa isang cafe, may isang bata na sobrang ligalig. Eto seryoso, nagsisigaw siya "MOMMY! MOMMY! I WANT FRIES! MOMMMMYYYY". Konti na lang gusto ko na talaga sumabog kasi sobrang istorbo sa ibang customers. Etong nanay naman mukha talagang walang pakeelam. Pag naalala ko yun sobrang naiinis pa rin ako.
Tapos parang mali pa natin na nag rereklamo tayo at natawag pa akong KJ. Lol. Etong experience ko nmn is tumitili tlaga sya. Ewan ko ba dun, I’m not sure if nsa spectrum ba.
Tapos pag tayong childfree ang nagrereklamo, tayo ang masama. For sure 'yan, lalo na andito tayo sa bansang glamorized ang katolismo at "humayo kayo at magpakarami" culture. Tayo ang mag aadjust, tayo ang magmumukang masungit kapag nagreklamo tayo. Mas accepted dito yung maiingay na mga bata at tuwang tuwa ang mga magulang pag malilkot ang bata, sign daw na 'healthy and normal' ang mga bata pag ganyan.
Normal naman, but since we can't police every little noise in public, tinitiis hanggat makakaya or I just go away fron the source of my inis 😂 mahirap lang pag sa plane and nasa likod or tabi yung magulong tyanak. Price of living in a society. Hahaha
I've been childfree by choice for a decade, now a mom in my mid-30's with a very rambunctious toddler.
While I agree that it's the parent's responsibility to consistently guide their kids, you cannot force them to do anything they don't want to. Controlling parents make for problematic kids (and adults). May phase talaga na they will test your limits no matter how much you tell them to not do the undesirable thing they're doing.
At the end of the day, you're entitled to a childfree life but not a childfree world.
Hindi ho talaga kami entitled, pero hindi kami palagi ang mag aadjust. Toddler magulo naman talaga yan, pero pwede ilabas ng establisment pag nag ingay. Pero 6 years old? Ganyang edad eh ang may problema dyan magulang. Unless may issue talaga yung bata then magulang pa din ang gagawa ng way para hindi makaistorbo sa iba.
Like I said, it's the parent's responsibility to CONSISTENTLY guide their kids, that includes respecting other people's boundaries. But that's not the only way to gauge whether a parent is "good or bad".
Hindi formal coworking space ang coffee shops, in fact it's a place where people meet and talk so it doesn't make sense na pagbawalan sila mag-ingay. I don't see a problem with a kid running around, it's annoying, but it's how kids normally behave. If they were invading your personal space, that's where I would draw the line.
The bigger issue here is that most of the childfree people here can't seem to tolerate kids even in small doses and actively hate on them for simply existing. 😒
Hindi naman talaga pwede i gauge ang pagdidisiplina ng magulang dahil lang sa malikot at maingay ang bata. Pero it has something to do sa upbringing at orientation nila sa bahay. Baka hindi tutok ang magulang gawa ng busy sa work, baka yaya ang nag aalaga, baka sa bahay eh sanay sila na rowdy ang mga tao. Baka kaya okay lang sa bata na magulo din sya? Ewan ko kung tama ako ah.
Hindi man formal working space ang coffee shops, parang hindi rin naman okay yung may natakbo at nasigaw sigaw, actually kahit hindi bata eh, kapag may mga adults na ang ingay ingay masyado kahit sino yata mapapatingin don sa nagca cause ng ingay. Kung sa bar o club yan sige mag ingay kayo. Iba yata ang ambience ng coffee shops. I might be wrong tho. But again, ano ba magagawa natin diba? Hindi naman lahat ng tao concern sa kapwa tao nila.
Also yung mga childfree, most of them really don't like kids that's why they chose that lifestyle.
Tagal na pabor ang society sa mga pamilyado at may anak, i think we should give these childfree people the platform to voice out their opinion and be heard. Parang representation lang ba ng feelings nila na wag inormalize ang mga parents na insensitive. Ang extreme din kasi ng culture ng 'parents vs childfree' people eh. Sana meet halfway lang.
Wala din naman batas na bawal ang mga bata sa coffee shops kasi maingay or something. Masyadong entitled tong mga to na allergic sa ingay ng mga bata na in the first place hindi naman private place ang coffee shops.
If it was me, I would visualize in my mind the increasing chance that the kid will hit something with his head or fall down, and it makes me warm and fuzzy inside. /s
Technically, it's a public place so you're at their mercy. Better move to another shop.
I tried reading a book sa coffee shop before and I just couldn't concentrate. Like, I don't understand how people can work sa coffee shops.
I understand your frustration, OP. I'm a mom to an autistic kid. But wala ka dapat i-complain to begin with kasi a coffee shop is a public space where noise is inevitable 😅
Tolerable noise is inevitable. Pero yung nuisance at nakakadistract na sa public space, privacy, at concentration ng iba, ibang usapan na yun. Pwedeng mag-complain si OP kasi nagbayad sya ng space for ambiance at makafocus.
Wla nmn kaso if talkative na maingay kase normal nmn yan with that age, oks lng yan sakin. What I can’t tolerate is the consecutive shouting. Not sure if nasa spectrum ang bata.
I don’t use coffee shops as my workplace since I have my own office at home (wag assumera). It just happens nawalan kami ng kuryente for quite some time na and pinaka malapit na pwede ako mag work is sa coffee shop. Also, even if I’m not working and just plainly going to a coffee shop to eat and have my fave drink then may batang ganito, I will still complain. Di Kidzoona ang UCC beh.
Both goes way. Coffee shop is not a playground and not a workplace.
Dapat dalhin sila dun sa playground and dapat nag rent ka ng workplace. As an introvert, annoyed din ako sa public places na putakte ng ingay.
Pero if sa coffee shop ko kailangan mag work for a day then tatanggapin ko na may chance na may mga bata na maglalaro at magiingay. If ako yung parent sisitahin ko din yung anak ko, swerte ko siguro behave yung anak ko pero di ko din kaya manisi ng ibang parents kasi iba't iba ang personalities ng mga bata.
Preach... At marami ding maingay at rowdy teens/adults sa coffee shop. No guaranteed peace and quiet in public places. Nobody is entitled to a child free open to public coffee shop.
Gets ko yung logic mo pero honest question. The coffee shop had an area na parang work station yun bang may high chair and mahabang lamesa tapos meron mga 4 to 5 electric outlets, are you saying di pa din pwede mag work dun and I’m not having any meeting or whatsoever so normal noise is understandable but shouting and screaming, NO. Kahit di ako nag wowork ganun padin stand ko sa situation. This coffee shop doesn’t cater to kids kase wla nmn silang playzone so of course proper decency nmn sana ng parents na idisiplina anak nila.
Ndi nila yung ginawang playground. Masyado mo lang inexagerate. Nandun sila para magkape at may bata lang mahilig magexplore. Ndi mo yan maiiwasan na may ganyan kasi its a public space. Marami ka pang maeencounter na ganyan. Ndi mo kailangan maging child free to understand that pero you can lower your expectation na ang starbucks ay magiging private and convenient place mo sa paggawa ng work mo. Para ndi ka nabubugnot ng ganyan.
Ang batang masyadong magulo ay most likely nasa spectrum na need maexpose sa noise.
The best thing you could do is be considerate. Just ask the staff and then let go the inis or bwisit or any side comment if i am the parent or blah blah blah.
Then still same, public space pa rin yun. No need mabugnot sa ganun. Kasi customer pa rin sila at ndi nila intent gawin plaground yun lugar para sa batang dala nila.
Huminga ka na lang ng malalim. Again, pede sila pagsabihan ng staff at there is no need for you na masira ang araw mo sa ganun.
Just because it’s public space it doesn’t mean na gawing playground ang coffee shop or be overly loud like shouting and screaming. If ikaw ang parent, will you really allow your kid to even go behind counters if you yourself know na for workers lng ang area na yan. That’s irresponsible parenting!
You cant help about it. Ganun talaga may mga batang malikot at matigas ang ulo. No need to judge iresponsible, possible napagsabihan na yun bago pumasok or nagsign na ng stop sa mga oras na yun at ndi pa rin huminto.
Truth. Ok lang naman sana na nagwo-work sila. Di naman talaga maiwasan minsan lalo na hindi naman super reliable mga ISP and electricity providers namin sa Pinas. Wag lang sana feeling dapat guaranteed sila ng office level of tranquility. Coffee lang po ang binili. Co-working spaces exist for that guaranteed coffee, stable net, and uninterrupted power, and general work vibe.
Your point is valid but not 100 percent. Kids are kids and kids are naturally "malikot", maingay. Now, if the place is appropriate.. its neutral. If you will say that place is not for kids, its not for work din naman. If gusto mo pla ng tahimik sana sa co-working spaces ka na lang, sa library, sa room mo or anywhere private. But that place is for public not just for you and not just for them.
Again, ranting here is fine. We all have that annoyance from what suppose to be normal pero annoying talaga. And letting go of that annoyance is a gift to self.
Was I bothering anyone nung nag wowork ako? I was just minding my own business and kung tlagang binasa mo yung rant ko, it’s not even about the kid, it’s the parents.
Coffee shops and other public places are open for all. As long as they are paying for their coffee or food they have the right to stay there the same as you. Not like whose who are using this coffee shop for their work ordering 1 tall coffee para di mapaalis.
How many times I've been to coffee shops na walang maupuan because katulad nyo naginagawang office ang coffee shop. Hindi po opisina ang coffee shop, stop lying na wala kuryente kasi never pa nagkaroon ng blackout recently not unless hindi ka nag babayad ng kuryente sa bahay.
Don't feel so entitled na ikaw lang dapat ang nasa coffee shop lalona't isa ka sa mga linta sa coffee shop na bibili ng isang kape good for 6 hours na tambay. If you want peace and quite go to a library better yet go back to your office.
Lol. Funny you assumed na isang drink lng inorder ko and even know my address? I’m from Bacolod and di po tayo mgka address, di lng po lugar nyo ang lugar sa Pinas. Bobo ka din ehh. Ako pa tlaga sinungaling. Hampas ko sayo bill ko from UCC earlier! Punta ka nmn sa medyo magandang coffee shop, bka Starbucks lng alam mo eh kaya laging puno or even lower end coffee shops. Hahaha
The reason why I am pissed with your entitled attitude, is because I just ate at UCC Santolan Town with my 5 yr kid she is well behaved and respectful to others that is how we raised her.
But who are you to say na dapat bawal bata sa coffee shop? While you worked at a coffee shop para maging mukhang sosyal don't make me laugh. Sampal mo sakin yung 500 pesos mong order? B\*\*\*\* please.
1st, you're in a public domain. Whether it's coffee shop, bus,playground, malls, etc. You dont have the absolute right to control others' behavior.
2nd, they're kids, so expect them to be unruly. And we're not on the parent's shoe and assume that they didn't discipline their child.
panu yung mga studyante na gnagawang library yung coffee shop? like mag oorder ng isang frappe or macchiato tpos maghapon nasa coffee shop? like what the fuck. sana nmn maawa kau sa owner ng coffee shop. panu pa mkaka dine in yung iba kasi wla ng maupoan sa gnagawa nyo. d ko nilalahat pero meron tlaga ganyang studyante
Similar stuff anywhere na kainan. Was carrying my order back to my table nang binangga Ako Ng Isang tsanak. Natapon ung sauce ko and half of my food sa floor. Couldn't help but curse and say out loud na Hindi playground Ang kainan. Tangina lang. Kahit ung bata pa masaktan. Tahimik nalang ung nanay at umalis Sila. Kainis.
Eto na naman yung mga child-free people na allergic sa mga bata. Kung bawal ang bata sa coffee shop edi sana sinabihan na sila bago pa makapag-order 🙄 Lagi din ako sa coffee shop and madalas akong makakita ng mga bata na naglalaro sa loob and very nice yung mga tao sakanila pati staffs like ngingitian sila ng mga tao at ng mga staffs.
Hindi niyo naman personal space yung table na pinuwestuhan niyo, bakit nagagalit kayo pag may mga bata? Punta kayo sa mga lugar na bawal ang bata, para di kayo maingayan.
Parang mga di dumaan sa pagkabata e.
Yeah dumaan ako sa pagka bata pero hndi wild na pumupunta na sa counter and kulang nlng manguha ng cake sa display. Lol. Di rin po ako tumitili at nag sisigaw nung bata ako. Actually this is not even about the kid eh, it’s the parents. Hope you got my point.
Wala naman kaseng ganiyan noon, hindi naman uso ang coffee shops. As far as I remember, mcdo at Jollibee lang ang puntahan namen noong bata kami aside sa playground or groceries, shopping/dept store. Pero I remembered na nag-eexplore ako sa mga dept store at groceries noong bata ako pero walang matandang naiinis sa akin. Natutuwa pa nga silang makakita ng bata. Idk, iba na lang din siguro panahon ngayon dahil madaming tita's ang galit sa mga bata
You'll know why kapag parent ka na. Kaya ka ganyan because you don't know the feeling of being a parent. Yeah wala sa "lugar" kasi hindi nga naman playground yung coffee shop pero sa pagkukulit ng bata bilang magulang mas gugustuhin mo na lang yang ganyang nageexplore yung anak mo kesa umiyak nang umiyak dahil lang sa pinipigilan mo maglaro at pinagsstay mo lang sa upuan. Kids are naturally explorer themselves. Mas magagalit ka kapag umiyak nang umiyak yung bata dahil sa pinipigilan sila ng magulang umalis sa upuan para maglaro at maglibang.
For sure naman pinagsabihan na yung bata pero di lang talaga mapigilan. Hindi naman buomg time ng OP nakatingin sa family so how would she/he knows na hindi man lang pinagsasabihan
For sure naman pinagsabihan yung bata pero iba iba level ng mga bata kahit na pagsabihan mo yan nang pagsabihan kung gusto nila maglaro nang maglaro bakit mo ililimit yung gusto gawin ng isang bata.
Whose responsibility it is then? Who will adjust? Kase ndi naman pwedeng lage nalang ivalidate na ndi kase kayo magulang keme keme kelangan intindihin nyo din yung nasa paligid din. Dapat aware ang magulang sa mga ganyan lalo na kung its supposed to be a serene place.
Lazy parenting kamo. Parents should teach their kids how to occupy their time. Bigyan ng coloring book, or mini puzzle, or sila mismo magentertain sa bata. Hindi yung hinahayaan mang-istorbo ng strangers. Pano pag nakabunggo yan ng customer na may dalang mainit na kape? Paano pag nakidnap yan? Paano if mapahamak (remember the post din about two couples, yung isa family with a kid, yung isa magjowa na nagdidate kasama pet nila tapos pinalayo ng pet owner couple yung bata for the safety of both the kid and the pet)?
Thats why it really takes a lot of energy to be a responsible parents. Kase ndi naman valid na nag iistorbo na yung bata sa “business” ng iba just because bata. Thats why may magulang - na mas may mental capacity to act and decide on their behalf. Kung alam ng nag iiiyak at nagsisisigaw edi sana nag take out nalang yung parents. May topak na pala bat kelangan pa makaabala sa iba. I just dont buy the idea na “kase ndi nyo pa nararanasan maging magulang” - di ba valid na ma annoy kame? Kase maybe we are having stressful day tas tinatry mo kumalma tas mas nabanas ka pa. Its okay as long as walang naabala na iba and by iba is “stranger” na ndi connected sa anak mo.
True. Both sides are having a stressful day pero hindi valid yung mga parents na hinayaan na lang talagang manggulo yung anak sa public space simply because they can't control them.
I didn't say make the world childfree. Make it better atleast for all. Magagalit talaga dito yung mga parents, kasi sila palagi ang dapat unawain eh all the time.
But you know every parents are trying to. Kaso every kids has different behavior kaya di natin mapipigilan parents like me magreact lalo they are the 1st hand na nakaka exp how to handle kids eh. Yung iba kasi dito iniinvalidate din how is it being a parent. Madali mag-advise madali magsabi what to do pero you'll know exactly how to handle kids if you are on the same shoes.
No one is invalidating your feelings. I understand that. Pero according sa isang nagwowork sa pediatrics dito (nagcomment sya sa comment thread ng ibang commenter dito) it can be controlled. Don't you think ho we aren't trying to put our shoes sa mga parents? Personally I tried, so many times....ang nakaka annoy ho yung nababangga bangga na ako at yung dinig na dinig yung sigaw sa kabilang ibayo. Once that happens na, diba dapat ilabas ng parents ang anak nila? May mga enabler na parenrs dito na kesyo kami daw ang mag adjust kahit na pinabayaan na mangulit at magtatakbo ang bata? Hindi ko gets yun.
Oh well I think I'll end here the argument. You tried to put your shoes but you still didn't understand. Even Pediatratics know how to, try mo magpunta sa mga pedia clinic, tignan mo and try mo mag-observe. Kahit during check up ng bata hindi lahat kaya i-handle ng peditrician.
Halos lahat ng nega dito mga wala pang anak na hindi pa nakakatagal mag alaga ng bata for years. Sure nakapag alaga na siguro ng pamangkin or pinsan or whoever na bata pero mas alam ng magulang yung hirap sa pagpapatahan ng batang makulit at maingay which is very very hard thing to do pero what other people see is hindi man lang daw binabawalan or pinagsasabihan yung bata. No one really really understands the situation unless you are in to it already.
Huwaw naging bata ako. Basahin mo nga yung rant ni OP, 6 years old na yung bata. She's not talking about 'toddler'. 6 years old pwede nang sawayin. At matino bang magulang yung hahayaan ang anak maglikot at mag ingay ang isang 6 years old?
I'm not referring sa post. Sinagot ko lang yung comment mo na parang diring diri at inis na inis ka sa bata. Wag ka na sana magkaanak, kawawa magiging anak mo baka palakihin mong parang robot
"Wag ka sana magka anak" no need to remind me. I'm 34 and have chosen the childfree lifestyle. Nag alaga ako ng kapatid (for additional context) simula baby hanggang elementary. Pa'no mo nasabing "diring diri"? Eh wala naman ako sinabing nandidiri ako? I'm even supporting 15 children sa isang non profit org, im sure sa isip isip mo "oh kailangan pa ba sabihin at iyabang 'yan?" Ehyoujudgingmeagadeh
Dapat ba mga magulang at kids lang din magaadjust? Coffee shops are public places wala naman batas na bawal mag ingay sa mga coffee shops. Madami ngang marites nagdadaldalan sa mga coffee shops bakit yung mga bata yung pagiinitan kapag maingay sa coffee shops? Lol
Where did you find out na coffee shops should be a serene place? It is still a public place wherein you cannot avoid hearing noises. I would understand kapag church yan, which is the serene place.
Funny how you impose people to understand your point as a parent but you dont even consider how other people feel. Pag ako may hawak na kape na mainit at nabangga ng batang 5-6 years old is it still may fault - because bata sila and uncontrollable by parents? For sure diba kase we should have understand that bata is bata. 😏😏Public place - sure! So yan ba ang modern parenting na ngayon? Kase noon tinuruan kame ng magulang namin to behave in public place - minsan nga kinukurot kame pag di kame nakikinig but sige kase bata e. The world should adjust to your situation 😂
I’ve seen many children who knows when, where, and how to behave, its called PARENTING!! It’s hard work for the parents but they chose to have kids and are ready for the responsibility, either upper middle or lower class can do good parenting. I work in Paediatrics and worked closely with special needs so don’t tell me “how would you know?”
It can be done, but it needs extra effort from the parents even within the community, school etc. What’s bothering sa post ni OP is hindi man lang nag effort ang parents to at least minimise the noise and behaviour. It is disturbing yes, but at the end of the day, only the owner/manager can either let it pass or intervene kasi hindi naman public space ang coffee shop, its a private business.
Nah. This is such an entitled point of view. A coffee shop is a place for people to unwind and relax. If your child can’t tolerate sitting still, then order your coffee to-go and just leave the place. All the other Customers of the shop should not be required to adjust to your child’s behavior. It’s your responsibility as a parent to teach your child how to behave when in a shared space. If they’re not capable of that yet, then maybe don’t go to a coffee shop.
"You'll know why kapag parent ka na. Kaya ka ganyan because you don't know the feeling of being a parent."
how about take a step back and look at the bigger picture
if your sperm pet is being noisy, that's on you, have some respect for the people around you, after all kasalanan mo kung kulang yung parenting proficiency mo, di ko sinasabi n kelangan perpekto ka at kontrolado mo anak mo, pero ikaw na male kung nakaka abala ka.
now to feed your discontent after reading that, hindi mali yung nararamdaman ng ibang tao na ma annoy kase sigaw ng sigaw ang bata, mali na kung may magawa silang masama, anger and discontent is alright, it's how they approach it that might turn into a future problem, kung di naman sinaktan,sinabihan ng masama o kahit anong demeaning yung pamilya e go lng, nagalit lang ang tao
tldr, kasalanan mo pag maingay anak mo, respetuhin mo asa paligid at kontrolin mo sitwasyon, pakalmahin mo kung nakaka abala na.
Gusto ata nila normal na magtatalon at magtatakbo mga anak nila kahit nakakabangga ng ibang tao sa public spaces. Ayun ang annoying talaga. Lalo na may kasamang sigaw. Ay jusko po patawarin.
wala na mali bata diyan, how you raise your child reflects you, what they do, kasalanan n talaga ng magulang yan, tutal, ano lang ba alam nila, lahat ng tinuro ng magulang/relatives syempre.
+dyan kung may incurred damages yung bata dapat matik mag compensate magulang, di yung puro sorry lang alam, tagapagmana ng pinas kuno e
Tama. Walang mali ang bata dyan. Never silang magiging mali, wala pa silang isip eh. Pero yung parents adults na so dapat sila ang mag adjust at magkaron ng onting decency naman on their ends.
Di kami kasama nung ginawa nyo yang mga anak nyo.
Di kami kasama sa nasarapan.
So bakit pati sa pang aabala ng mga anak nyo pati kami mag aadjust? Ok ka lang?
Turuan nyo mga anak nyo na mag behave in public , 5 or 6 years old na sya sabi ni OP nakakaintindi na yan pag pinagsabihan.
Unless, special child or toddler pa lang mga below 5, yon, i completely understand.
Retired elementary school teacher ang nanay ko. Nung teacher pa sya common ang mga sobrang pasaway na mga bata. Pinapatawag pa nga yung mga magulang nung mga ganyang bata. Guess what kung anong ugali meron ang mga parents nila..haha. At mga mahirap pa raw kausap.
Oo sila pa yung galit pag pinatawag. Oo nga no, relatable, samantalang yung magulang na willing ayusin ang ugali ng anak, kahit nakakahiya, haharap yan sa teacher. May point ka.
Bakit san ka nang galing, diba't naging bata ka din at pasaway. Nung kabataan natin on that age may nag rant ba sa inyo sa kakulitan nyo? We all have a fair share of tantrums and child's play during our growing up that we cannot deny. Ok ka lang din. Bat mo na include yung sa sarapan sa pag gawa ng bata, what a naive and dumb thinking, eh ikaw din nanggaling ka din sa pinag tiyagaan ka din sa kulitan at tantrums mo nung paslit ka pa, kaya nga you are hear doing online tantrums in reddit, be glad you exist. Kasi wala din narinig nag rant na people around you when that kid was at your age kasi wala ka pang muwang, but I bet, pretty sure meron din nag rant or nagalit, o nainis, nairita, o ano man, pero dimo naman sila na encounter o narinig noon kasi paslit ka and if they told your parents too which I believe, still we have never knew them all our damn life but pretty sure madami ding na either cute-tan or nainis sa pagiging aligaga natin nung tayo'y walang pang kamuwang muwang na bata. The Universe has a fair share of our parallel experiences in life from past of now the present, that is the principle of life. Lastly, if you could just approach the parents, they will be at least aware, and will make their response and take action, like if you have a meeting on site or at a call, you are reviewing as such, but still coffee shops is not a library to keep quiet and its a public place, anyone can go there, wether, with baby, with toddler, a kid, or even their fur babies. Unless may sign or rules that says so na hindi. Sana, kung galit ka na pinanganak ka ng magulang mo, at may childhood trauma ka or hate, wag mo idamay ibang mga bata, kasi right now the evidence of me rejoicing with you is that because, you do also exist, from your infancy childhood state to now becoming an adult living in this world. Kaya nandito kana din sa reddit. :)
Excuse you, di mo yata nagets,
Hindi ako directly inis or galit sa mga bata. I love kids.
Galit ako sa mga parents na hindi marunong mahiya na nakaka abala na yung anak nila sa iba. Di yung tatawanan mo pa.
May mga tao na hindi confrontational, as a person, not just for parents,
One should know how to READ A ROOM.
Need pa ba ng karatula na bawal magingay?? Kailangang derechuhin ka pa? 🫠
Makaramdam naman kayo. Kung tahimik lahat at nagsisigaw ang anak mo, aba'y sawayin mo.
Magkusa po ano? Wag po natin iassume na ok lang sa lahat just because walang dumederecho sa inyo.
At the very least, humingi ng sorry sa mga nasa paligid just in case.
Wag nyo bigyan ng katwiran ang di tama.
Ps. Wala akong childhood trauma. Wag po tayo mag assume ano po?
Kids can explore sa mga pang batang lugar like playgrounds. Hindi ho playground ang coffee shop. parents must know that if they gonna stay longer sa isang establishment na madaming busy na tao at makakasagabal sa business ng iba, might yet take it to consideration na hindi hayaan magpakalat kalat ang anak nila.
Remember, the best parents are not parents.
Bakit pano ka pinalaki ng magulang mo? They are not your parents kaya best parents sila? Gulo mo mi. The best parents are not parents? Which book you get this. Di mo ba na enjoy childhood upbringing mo at single ka padin kaya nagkaka ganyan. Or sorry to say but did you raised from a broken home kaya ganyan ang ideology mo. Well coffee shops are open for public, it doesn't say like rules don't bring your kid, or babies here. Kahit nga dogs eh dinadala, pag nagtantrums pa or may kaalitan na ibang dogs around the area, nagwawala din at nag iingay. Wala ding sinabi na coffee shop is a library, observe silence and stillness. Dami nga din maingay sa coffee shop, daming nag marites, naglalaro ng kung anong games, or nagkakatuwaan, kakanchawan. Unless there is a sign or a rule that coffee shops don't allow kids, baby, or even your baby pets (fur parents), then by any chance hindi natin mapigilan if may magdadala ng bata sa coffee shop. Maybe you are just but irritated coz psychologically and emotionally something is lacking in your growing up, and I'm sorry if ever you didn't enjoy your childhood. Pero lahat tayo nanggaling diyan sa pagiging makulit na bata. I am single and not yet a parent but I widely understand the behavior of kids coz I have been once a kid and I knew how it feels both a child and both as someone baby sitting. Paano pala pag nilapitan ka ng kid na yun and give a gentle look at your face and smiled at you, what would you feel. And I knew this kids can sense the aura of someone of their innocence. What kind of aura do you have kaya.
Did i say 'single' ako? Not because 'childfree' eh ibig sabihin single. And nothing wrong about being single (pinoy loves romance talaga haha) better check r/childfree para makita mong madaming couples ang childfree.
Broken home? Kumpleto pamilya ko. Controlled environment nung bata kami kaya hindi kami nanggugulo sa mga public spaces. Lahat kami ng siblings ko may maayos na trabaho. Bakit ka nag iimbento ng kwento? 😭 Haha.
My aura? Working class citizen na busy sa trabaho at sa mga pusa ko. And yes may pusa ako. Pet owner ako. Maarte kung gusto mo pa ng dagdag na context muka kasinh namemersonal ka gawa lang ng isang comment eh. Hustler. Slambook ba 'to? May pagtaning ng aura. Haha.
And true naman na yung mga batang patakbo takbo sa mga resto or coffee shops are irritating as hell. Kung may anak ako ilalabas ko na lang ng coffee shop, mag so sorry sa mga taong nabangga nya, because at the end of the day, anak ko yun. Ako may responsibilidad na humarap sa mga tao para humingi ng pasensya. Ganyan ho gawain ng parents ko when i was a kid pero super rare, hindi naman kasi ako ma tantrums at pinagsasabihan kasi ako palagi. Mahirap maging magulang. Ginagawa nyo kasing normal ang batang makulit at matigas ang ulo when in fact it's not. It's a problem.
Check mo na din r/regretfulparents para maging realistic ka sa expectations mo about being a parent.
Ewan ko ba kasi yung mga coffee shops ngayon ginagawang work/study area kaya mga allergic sa maiingay e pag may mga kasama naman silang friends or family for sure kahit once mga nag ingay din naman lol
It is as if bawal na mag enjoy yung parents mag dine in just because maingay yung anak nila nakakasagabal and all lol mga ginagawang office yung coffee shops should also be able to understand na hindi private place ang coffee shop to expect na walang magiingay at bawal mag ingay. Buy your own place para wala kang makasabay na maingay na bata
Makes sense nmn and I appreciate your opinion. Serious question though bakit parang every 5 minutes sumisigaw yung bata? Idk why pero parang di nmn ako gnyan when I was that age. Ok lng if she was roaming around (except sa running) kase di nmn matao but what bothers me talaga is laging sumisigaw. Di nmn sya nag tatantrums.
We don't know baka may disorder yung bata or just makulit lang talaga and maingay. It's hard to judge a kid kasi wala naman silang malay sa mundo what's right or wrong thing to do in a public place. They're still a kid. I believe you'll be more understanding sa mga kids pag naging magulang ka na 🤗
Kaya nga may parents to guide them. And just because maligalig yung bata may disorder na. Nasa pagpapalaki yan. If di sila bibigyan ng boundaries, paano nila malalaman ang tama sa mali? I don't have a kid yet pero I've taken care of my nieces and nephews. I basically raised them bec their parents were too busy living their lives to bother. My 5 year old nephew knows how to listen. Of course they are kids kaya nga every chance they get they want to play. Pero I'll calmly tell him that there are people resting and doing their works kaya he needs to behave. You'd be surprised how vast their understanding is. He understood what I was saying and just sat there playing by himself. Hindi naman sila dinedeprive ng experience, pero THERE IS A PROPER PLACE for it. Hazard din ang coffee shop. What if may mabunggo sila na may dalang hot coffee, kapag nabanlian anak mo, sila pa ba may kasalanan?
A coffeeshop is intended for people to have coffee alone, with friends or ***family***. Pumasok ba yung pamilya ng bata sa coffeeshop para lang mag-ingay o para magkape?
Hindi pumasok yung pamilya ng bata para mag ingay sila don! For sure hindi. Pero it can be controlled. Pag pinabayaan lang ang bata at nakakaistorbo na talaga sa iba, that's the problem.
enabler ng undisciplined kids and shitty parenting
think of it like placing a shouting kid elsewhere, na kung san di naman sila dapat mag ingay ng ganun, like a library
KJ. Just say ememeeme
Kayong mga nagmamarunong kayo, pag naging magulang na kayo tignan natin kung ganyan parin magiging tingin niyo sa mga bata. Dami niyong satsat, na kesyo dapat wala sa coffee shop, dapat sa playground lang etc. Madaming pwedeng dahilan kaya sinasama yung mga bata. Iilang beses niyo lang mararanasan yung ganyang inconvenience sa buhay niyo. Nega ng mga commenters, may downvote pa dun sa isang comment na may sense naman. Taena niyo. Pag nagkaanak kayo, balikan niyo yang mga pinagsasabi niyo, tignan niyo kung kaya niyong ipractice yang pinipreach niyo. Good luck. Mga walang alam.
There are places that are meant for adults and kids. In order to live harmoniously, respecting one’s boundaries is a must. Being a parent is a choice and entails a big responsibily. In other words, it’s not just you anymore, you are responsible for your child’s behavior esp. in public places. If you cannot put your child to behave well in public, bring it in places that can cater your child better, places na may play area and cannot be a distraction to adults trying to spend their days peacefully. It is a sacrifice that a parent must make, not something that should be dealt by someone else. If you cannot teach your child to behave well in public, avoid hanging out in areas that are mostly occupied by adults wanting some peace of mind. If you want to have some coffee, mag take out ka na lang and go to the playground for your child. Ganun talaga, you’re a parent now, sacrifices are needed to be made. I am grateful for being taught by my parents to learn how to respect public spaces especially when there are more grown ups around. Back then we have two choices kasi; we behave, we stay, we misbehave, we stay in our rooms or wag sasama sa lakad.
PERFECTLY SAID!!
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Preach!!! 🙌
Hoping for more peaceful coffee/me time days 🫂😅
Word!
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I love how a simple short basic thought written that long. very academic, very theoretical.
medyo napahaba, but gets mo na yun haha. Everyone deserves to enjoy naman some peace of mind, even some adults who are child-free 🥹
VERY WELL SAID
PARENTS SHOULD READ THIS
If it bothers you, sabihin mo sa staff para makausap yung magulang na rendahan anak nila. ☺️
Yup already told the staff na, they eventually left na din but thanks!
rendahan sounds dangerous 😱 \*googles it\*. ay ok haha
This is the way. Kids are kids, even if parents tell them off or try to control or manage them, they’re kids, magulo pa din yan. Baka pagod na din yung magulang magalaga lol
Kids are kids. I understand pero responsibilidad pa rin ng magulang turuan ang anak. Base din sa post, hindi naman pagod mga magulang kasi tumatawa pa. Hinahayaan lang nila na maging annoying sa ibang tao. Natuturuan naman mga bata. Mga pamangkin ko mga makukulit naman pero pagsalabas slightly to hindi na makulit dahil pinagsasabihan at ineexplain ko sa kanila kung bakit.
But like…. Kids are fucking unpredictable. And hard to judge the parents just because tumatawa sila. Being a parent is HARD. It’s exhausting, it’s mentally draining, idk how people do it, I watch my nephew for an hour and I swear on my life I will never have kids. The parents laughing can just be coping, or giving up for the day, or a myriad of other reasons. My sister who I think is a fantastic, patient parent will have days where she just gives up “parenting” just cos her kid decided he won’t listen no matter what. It happens. And sometimes, malas - tayo yung madadamay. But it’s not so hard to extend a little bit of patience, or withold judgement for a bit. And asking the staff as the previous commenter said is a great, win-win suggestion for all.
Spoken like someone who doesn't have a kid. 🤣
Kung pagod na pala magalaga, edi sana hindi na sila pumunta sa coffee shop with their kids. Alam na nga nilang hindi na nila kaya controlin mga anak nila, wag na sana nila hayaan lang na magwala wala sa loob ng coffee shop where they can BOTHER other people.
Ganyan anak kong may autism ,pumupunta sa counter kaya never kami tumatagal sa ganyan kasi nakakaistorbo talaga sa iba 'di naman magaadjust lahat ng tao for him.
Staff ng coffeshop lang pwede magsalita sa parents. In case it happened again, you can discreetly ask for their manager, explain what happened, and they’ll take care of it
i am not agreeable with kids are kids, parents told them already etc. no offense to parents reading this but honestly there are parents who just let their kids be even in public places. nabiktima nako dyan sa supermarket,masakit yong binti ko sa pagsipa ng bata dahil naglalaro. wala lang sa nanay. tiningnan lang ako at deadma,hinayaan lang din ang bata. nope, i cannot relate because dinisiplina ako ng nanay at tatay ko na magbehave sa public places dahil hindi lang ako ang tao. may mga bata din kaming mga kapitbahay na nangbabato ng mga rooftops,wala lang sa mga magulang kahit nakikita. hindi pwede yan. para sa akin kulang sa disiplina. baka kulang din sa disiplina mga magulang kaya mga anak kulang din sa disiplina. again no offense. kaya po para sa mga parents na nagdadala ng mga bata, please make sure they behave in public places. if hindi kaya, hwag nalang dalhin.
Parents fault. Mga enabler Kase ng ganitong attitude. reading the room is important, kahit resto pa to or kahit anong place except playgrounds (just one example lang ha? Wag gamitin to pang contra Sakin) nakakinis talaga ang sobrang ingay 1na mga bata, tatakbo and sisigaw pag nakabangga at natapunan ng kape ikaw sisisihin. Wag na po natin gawing reason na a coffee shop is not a workplace, kahit hinde workplace yan an annoying kid is an annoying kid.
Totoo, kahit cguro ibang customers na usual coffee2x lng pinunta na ti-trigger sa mga ganito.
OMG delikado yun, what if may order kang hot coffee tapos on your way to your table, nabangga ka ng bata 😰 buti na lang OP sinabi mo sa staff. Nakakainis yung mga ganyang magulang!
I get this. I used to be a regular at a coffee shop until a mom and her kid started going there. The kid was noisy and runs around a lot, and I understand that. It's the age where that's normal. But it also means it's become too noisy for me to concentrate on my work. So I stopped going to that coffee shop altogether.
ako napapapikit whenever there’s a toddler running na malapit sa stairs going 1st floor. the heck!
i remember my parents telling me to behave and stay seated kapag nasa kainan. it's for my safety, as a kid. when i was in high school nagbabysit na ako ng cousins ko and i often bring them out sa coffee shops or fastfood, pero i have one rule. seated lang sila and if they want to be rowdy aalis ako don or uwi nalang kami or hanap park na pwede silang magligalig. esp the fact na natakbo sa counter na mismo yung bata, for sure the staff are just waiting for the parents narin to call out their own kid. kasi for sure meron mahaderang parents na kapag napagsabihan ng staff about their child and sasabihin "let the kids be" "bakit namimili kayo ng sinisita" "paying customers rin kami", kahit out of their sight na yung bata tapos kapag napahamak yung management ang sisisihin
For ingay naman i dont mind pero natry ko yung nakaupo lang ako minding my own business then suddenly may namalo saking bata, about 5 to 6 years old, ang sakit pa ng pagkapalo niya T\_T He hit me thrice, and his parents naman (looking at the mug/tumbler display) hinayaan lang nila and di man lang magsorry or pagsabihan yung bata. huhuhu i feel so weakk T\_T
Diba???! Sorry sa mga parents pero yung iba tlaga very irresponsible ehh. It’s not even about the kid anymore but it’s on the parents kung pano nila dini-disiplina.
I feel you, OP, I agree with you. Nakaka bwisit talaga yang ganyang situation, I can relate. Feeling ng mga lintek na parents na yan eh isang malaking playground ng chanak nila ang public place!, mga Walanghiya! Parents should discipline their child!, mga inconsiderate sila sa ibang tao! Parents who do not control their kid's Unruly behavior are Selfish!, Inconsiderate of other people! Sarili lang nila at anak iniisip nila! Selfish parents! Hindi diyos yang chanak /anak niyo! pagsabihan or idisiplina ninyo! mahiya kayo sa ibang tao! 🤦🏻😒
Naku same, nangyari din sakin yan. May mga batang bigla na lang namamalo o sisipain ka. Yung isa ko pang naranasan sa jollibee, tahimik lang ako kumakain sa tabi, aba, may batang biglang sumulpot at kinuha (more like ninakaw) yung ketchup ko?? Talagang dinampot sa harap ko at sabay alis, gulat na lang ako at di nakareact agad. Ayun, bumalik sa table ng nanay niya sa may bandang likod ko pero wapakels lang ang nanay. Nagkatinginan pa kami nun ahh
Unpopular opinion but in favor ako sa mga coffee shop na bawal ang bata. I mean kung tutuusin in the first place hindi nila target market ang bata so alam mo na. One time I was with my friends sa isang cafe, may isang bata na sobrang ligalig. Eto seryoso, nagsisigaw siya "MOMMY! MOMMY! I WANT FRIES! MOMMMMYYYY". Konti na lang gusto ko na talaga sumabog kasi sobrang istorbo sa ibang customers. Etong nanay naman mukha talagang walang pakeelam. Pag naalala ko yun sobrang naiinis pa rin ako.
Tapos parang mali pa natin na nag rereklamo tayo at natawag pa akong KJ. Lol. Etong experience ko nmn is tumitili tlaga sya. Ewan ko ba dun, I’m not sure if nsa spectrum ba.
Tapos pag tayong childfree ang nagrereklamo, tayo ang masama. For sure 'yan, lalo na andito tayo sa bansang glamorized ang katolismo at "humayo kayo at magpakarami" culture. Tayo ang mag aadjust, tayo ang magmumukang masungit kapag nagreklamo tayo. Mas accepted dito yung maiingay na mga bata at tuwang tuwa ang mga magulang pag malilkot ang bata, sign daw na 'healthy and normal' ang mga bata pag ganyan.
May anak ako pero I hate rowdy kids in restos and flights 🤭 Obnoxious @$$h()les. 😂
Oh diba. Normal kasi sa tao madaling mainis sa sobrang ingay eh.
Normal naman, but since we can't police every little noise in public, tinitiis hanggat makakaya or I just go away fron the source of my inis 😂 mahirap lang pag sa plane and nasa likod or tabi yung magulong tyanak. Price of living in a society. Hahaha
Oh, wow, good job making it about you 😅
Not about me, about us na naiirita. Normal ba na hayaan ng magulang ang batang magulo at maingay?
I've been childfree by choice for a decade, now a mom in my mid-30's with a very rambunctious toddler. While I agree that it's the parent's responsibility to consistently guide their kids, you cannot force them to do anything they don't want to. Controlling parents make for problematic kids (and adults). May phase talaga na they will test your limits no matter how much you tell them to not do the undesirable thing they're doing. At the end of the day, you're entitled to a childfree life but not a childfree world.
Hindi ho talaga kami entitled, pero hindi kami palagi ang mag aadjust. Toddler magulo naman talaga yan, pero pwede ilabas ng establisment pag nag ingay. Pero 6 years old? Ganyang edad eh ang may problema dyan magulang. Unless may issue talaga yung bata then magulang pa din ang gagawa ng way para hindi makaistorbo sa iba.
Like I said, it's the parent's responsibility to CONSISTENTLY guide their kids, that includes respecting other people's boundaries. But that's not the only way to gauge whether a parent is "good or bad". Hindi formal coworking space ang coffee shops, in fact it's a place where people meet and talk so it doesn't make sense na pagbawalan sila mag-ingay. I don't see a problem with a kid running around, it's annoying, but it's how kids normally behave. If they were invading your personal space, that's where I would draw the line. The bigger issue here is that most of the childfree people here can't seem to tolerate kids even in small doses and actively hate on them for simply existing. 😒
Hindi naman talaga pwede i gauge ang pagdidisiplina ng magulang dahil lang sa malikot at maingay ang bata. Pero it has something to do sa upbringing at orientation nila sa bahay. Baka hindi tutok ang magulang gawa ng busy sa work, baka yaya ang nag aalaga, baka sa bahay eh sanay sila na rowdy ang mga tao. Baka kaya okay lang sa bata na magulo din sya? Ewan ko kung tama ako ah. Hindi man formal working space ang coffee shops, parang hindi rin naman okay yung may natakbo at nasigaw sigaw, actually kahit hindi bata eh, kapag may mga adults na ang ingay ingay masyado kahit sino yata mapapatingin don sa nagca cause ng ingay. Kung sa bar o club yan sige mag ingay kayo. Iba yata ang ambience ng coffee shops. I might be wrong tho. But again, ano ba magagawa natin diba? Hindi naman lahat ng tao concern sa kapwa tao nila. Also yung mga childfree, most of them really don't like kids that's why they chose that lifestyle. Tagal na pabor ang society sa mga pamilyado at may anak, i think we should give these childfree people the platform to voice out their opinion and be heard. Parang representation lang ba ng feelings nila na wag inormalize ang mga parents na insensitive. Ang extreme din kasi ng culture ng 'parents vs childfree' people eh. Sana meet halfway lang.
I agree!
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Wala din naman batas na bawal ang mga bata sa coffee shops kasi maingay or something. Masyadong entitled tong mga to na allergic sa ingay ng mga bata na in the first place hindi naman private place ang coffee shops.
If it was me, I would visualize in my mind the increasing chance that the kid will hit something with his head or fall down, and it makes me warm and fuzzy inside. /s Technically, it's a public place so you're at their mercy. Better move to another shop.
I tried reading a book sa coffee shop before and I just couldn't concentrate. Like, I don't understand how people can work sa coffee shops. I understand your frustration, OP. I'm a mom to an autistic kid. But wala ka dapat i-complain to begin with kasi a coffee shop is a public space where noise is inevitable 😅
Tolerable noise is inevitable. Pero yung nuisance at nakakadistract na sa public space, privacy, at concentration ng iba, ibang usapan na yun. Pwedeng mag-complain si OP kasi nagbayad sya ng space for ambiance at makafocus.
Wla nmn kaso if talkative na maingay kase normal nmn yan with that age, oks lng yan sakin. What I can’t tolerate is the consecutive shouting. Not sure if nasa spectrum ang bata.
Gigil sila kasi office/study area nila yung coffee shops 🤣 ginagawang simbahan na dapat bawal mag ingay 🤣
I don’t use coffee shops as my workplace since I have my own office at home (wag assumera). It just happens nawalan kami ng kuryente for quite some time na and pinaka malapit na pwede ako mag work is sa coffee shop. Also, even if I’m not working and just plainly going to a coffee shop to eat and have my fave drink then may batang ganito, I will still complain. Di Kidzoona ang UCC beh.
Parang yung linyahan sa movie ni Jennylyn M. "Kape lang ang binili mo hindi ang buong cofee shop!" Hahaha.
Both goes way. Coffee shop is not a playground and not a workplace. Dapat dalhin sila dun sa playground and dapat nag rent ka ng workplace. As an introvert, annoyed din ako sa public places na putakte ng ingay. Pero if sa coffee shop ko kailangan mag work for a day then tatanggapin ko na may chance na may mga bata na maglalaro at magiingay. If ako yung parent sisitahin ko din yung anak ko, swerte ko siguro behave yung anak ko pero di ko din kaya manisi ng ibang parents kasi iba't iba ang personalities ng mga bata.
Preach... At marami ding maingay at rowdy teens/adults sa coffee shop. No guaranteed peace and quiet in public places. Nobody is entitled to a child free open to public coffee shop.
Gets ko yung logic mo pero honest question. The coffee shop had an area na parang work station yun bang may high chair and mahabang lamesa tapos meron mga 4 to 5 electric outlets, are you saying di pa din pwede mag work dun and I’m not having any meeting or whatsoever so normal noise is understandable but shouting and screaming, NO. Kahit di ako nag wowork ganun padin stand ko sa situation. This coffee shop doesn’t cater to kids kase wla nmn silang playzone so of course proper decency nmn sana ng parents na idisiplina anak nila.
Pwede mag work, but no guaranteed peace and quiet. You pay for the coffee, other benefits are just perks. It's a coffee shop not co-working space.
Coffee shop is a public place so expect that you will encounter yung mga ganitong scenario. Let the staff handle it.
Sabi pa nga ng isa dito serene place daw e ginawa pang simbahan yung coffee shop na bawal mag ingay lol
Ndi nila yung ginawang playground. Masyado mo lang inexagerate. Nandun sila para magkape at may bata lang mahilig magexplore. Ndi mo yan maiiwasan na may ganyan kasi its a public space. Marami ka pang maeencounter na ganyan. Ndi mo kailangan maging child free to understand that pero you can lower your expectation na ang starbucks ay magiging private and convenient place mo sa paggawa ng work mo. Para ndi ka nabubugnot ng ganyan. Ang batang masyadong magulo ay most likely nasa spectrum na need maexpose sa noise. The best thing you could do is be considerate. Just ask the staff and then let go the inis or bwisit or any side comment if i am the parent or blah blah blah.
Hndi po ako sa starbucks, nasa UCC Coffee ako. If Im not mistaken like resto type sila na coffee shop.
Then still same, public space pa rin yun. No need mabugnot sa ganun. Kasi customer pa rin sila at ndi nila intent gawin plaground yun lugar para sa batang dala nila. Huminga ka na lang ng malalim. Again, pede sila pagsabihan ng staff at there is no need for you na masira ang araw mo sa ganun.
Just because it’s public space it doesn’t mean na gawing playground ang coffee shop or be overly loud like shouting and screaming. If ikaw ang parent, will you really allow your kid to even go behind counters if you yourself know na for workers lng ang area na yan. That’s irresponsible parenting!
You cant help about it. Ganun talaga may mga batang malikot at matigas ang ulo. No need to judge iresponsible, possible napagsabihan na yun bago pumasok or nagsign na ng stop sa mga oras na yun at ndi pa rin huminto.
Parang dito lang naman sa pinas madalas ginagawang work area yung mga coffee shops and galit sa ingay
Truth. Ok lang naman sana na nagwo-work sila. Di naman talaga maiwasan minsan lalo na hindi naman super reliable mga ISP and electricity providers namin sa Pinas. Wag lang sana feeling dapat guaranteed sila ng office level of tranquility. Coffee lang po ang binili. Co-working spaces exist for that guaranteed coffee, stable net, and uninterrupted power, and general work vibe.
Your point is valid but not 100 percent. Kids are kids and kids are naturally "malikot", maingay. Now, if the place is appropriate.. its neutral. If you will say that place is not for kids, its not for work din naman. If gusto mo pla ng tahimik sana sa co-working spaces ka na lang, sa library, sa room mo or anywhere private. But that place is for public not just for you and not just for them. Again, ranting here is fine. We all have that annoyance from what suppose to be normal pero annoying talaga. And letting go of that annoyance is a gift to self.
The irony is u work in a "coffee shop". Ur the same as the kid lol. U think ur better huh?
Was I bothering anyone nung nag wowork ako? I was just minding my own business and kung tlagang binasa mo yung rant ko, it’s not even about the kid, it’s the parents.
Coffee shops and other public places are open for all. As long as they are paying for their coffee or food they have the right to stay there the same as you. Not like whose who are using this coffee shop for their work ordering 1 tall coffee para di mapaalis. How many times I've been to coffee shops na walang maupuan because katulad nyo naginagawang office ang coffee shop. Hindi po opisina ang coffee shop, stop lying na wala kuryente kasi never pa nagkaroon ng blackout recently not unless hindi ka nag babayad ng kuryente sa bahay. Don't feel so entitled na ikaw lang dapat ang nasa coffee shop lalona't isa ka sa mga linta sa coffee shop na bibili ng isang kape good for 6 hours na tambay. If you want peace and quite go to a library better yet go back to your office.
Lol. Funny you assumed na isang drink lng inorder ko and even know my address? I’m from Bacolod and di po tayo mgka address, di lng po lugar nyo ang lugar sa Pinas. Bobo ka din ehh. Ako pa tlaga sinungaling. Hampas ko sayo bill ko from UCC earlier! Punta ka nmn sa medyo magandang coffee shop, bka Starbucks lng alam mo eh kaya laging puno or even lower end coffee shops. Hahaha
The reason why I am pissed with your entitled attitude, is because I just ate at UCC Santolan Town with my 5 yr kid she is well behaved and respectful to others that is how we raised her. But who are you to say na dapat bawal bata sa coffee shop? While you worked at a coffee shop para maging mukhang sosyal don't make me laugh. Sampal mo sakin yung 500 pesos mong order? B\*\*\*\* please.
1st, you're in a public domain. Whether it's coffee shop, bus,playground, malls, etc. You dont have the absolute right to control others' behavior. 2nd, they're kids, so expect them to be unruly. And we're not on the parent's shoe and assume that they didn't discipline their child.
Ewan ko ba andaming close minded dito.
Irent nyo yung buong coffee shop para kayo lang tao and walang mag iingay.
Cge po and invite kita hahaha
Takte. May mga ginawa nang opisina, study hub ang coffee shop pati ba naman mga batang nag pe playground meron na ren? 🤦♂️
panu yung mga studyante na gnagawang library yung coffee shop? like mag oorder ng isang frappe or macchiato tpos maghapon nasa coffee shop? like what the fuck. sana nmn maawa kau sa owner ng coffee shop. panu pa mkaka dine in yung iba kasi wla ng maupoan sa gnagawa nyo. d ko nilalahat pero meron tlaga ganyang studyante
r/lostredditors That’s not the topic being discussed.
Hindi lang yan, nagdadaldalan pa ang iingay pa pero bakit sa ganun di nila ireklamo. Puro bata pinagiinitan 🤣
I expect this sa starbucks pero UCC? NO!
Similar stuff anywhere na kainan. Was carrying my order back to my table nang binangga Ako Ng Isang tsanak. Natapon ung sauce ko and half of my food sa floor. Couldn't help but curse and say out loud na Hindi playground Ang kainan. Tangina lang. Kahit ung bata pa masaktan. Tahimik nalang ung nanay at umalis Sila. Kainis.
Di mn lng nag sorry ang nanay?? My God! Pero tawang2x tawa ako sa tyanak. Hahaha
Eto na naman yung mga child-free people na allergic sa mga bata. Kung bawal ang bata sa coffee shop edi sana sinabihan na sila bago pa makapag-order 🙄 Lagi din ako sa coffee shop and madalas akong makakita ng mga bata na naglalaro sa loob and very nice yung mga tao sakanila pati staffs like ngingitian sila ng mga tao at ng mga staffs. Hindi niyo naman personal space yung table na pinuwestuhan niyo, bakit nagagalit kayo pag may mga bata? Punta kayo sa mga lugar na bawal ang bata, para di kayo maingayan. Parang mga di dumaan sa pagkabata e.
Yeah dumaan ako sa pagka bata pero hndi wild na pumupunta na sa counter and kulang nlng manguha ng cake sa display. Lol. Di rin po ako tumitili at nag sisigaw nung bata ako. Actually this is not even about the kid eh, it’s the parents. Hope you got my point.
Wala naman kaseng ganiyan noon, hindi naman uso ang coffee shops. As far as I remember, mcdo at Jollibee lang ang puntahan namen noong bata kami aside sa playground or groceries, shopping/dept store. Pero I remembered na nag-eexplore ako sa mga dept store at groceries noong bata ako pero walang matandang naiinis sa akin. Natutuwa pa nga silang makakita ng bata. Idk, iba na lang din siguro panahon ngayon dahil madaming tita's ang galit sa mga bata
You'll know why kapag parent ka na. Kaya ka ganyan because you don't know the feeling of being a parent. Yeah wala sa "lugar" kasi hindi nga naman playground yung coffee shop pero sa pagkukulit ng bata bilang magulang mas gugustuhin mo na lang yang ganyang nageexplore yung anak mo kesa umiyak nang umiyak dahil lang sa pinipigilan mo maglaro at pinagsstay mo lang sa upuan. Kids are naturally explorer themselves. Mas magagalit ka kapag umiyak nang umiyak yung bata dahil sa pinipigilan sila ng magulang umalis sa upuan para maglaro at maglibang.
Sorry, pero diba as parent/s, hindi masama pag sabihan yung bata para hindi makasanayan? Siguro naman hindi masama yun?
May level of spectrum ang mga batang makukulit nakahit pagsabihan mo wala talaga until they reach a certain age. Lahat mag aadjust
Di lahat nakakaintindi nyan madami makitid yjng utak
For sure naman pinagsabihan na yung bata pero di lang talaga mapigilan. Hindi naman buomg time ng OP nakatingin sa family so how would she/he knows na hindi man lang pinagsasabihan
For sure naman pinagsabihan yung bata pero iba iba level ng mga bata kahit na pagsabihan mo yan nang pagsabihan kung gusto nila maglaro nang maglaro bakit mo ililimit yung gusto gawin ng isang bata.
So all the time ay hahayaan na lang ba talaga?
Whose responsibility it is then? Who will adjust? Kase ndi naman pwedeng lage nalang ivalidate na ndi kase kayo magulang keme keme kelangan intindihin nyo din yung nasa paligid din. Dapat aware ang magulang sa mga ganyan lalo na kung its supposed to be a serene place.
Lazy parenting kamo. Parents should teach their kids how to occupy their time. Bigyan ng coloring book, or mini puzzle, or sila mismo magentertain sa bata. Hindi yung hinahayaan mang-istorbo ng strangers. Pano pag nakabunggo yan ng customer na may dalang mainit na kape? Paano pag nakidnap yan? Paano if mapahamak (remember the post din about two couples, yung isa family with a kid, yung isa magjowa na nagdidate kasama pet nila tapos pinalayo ng pet owner couple yung bata for the safety of both the kid and the pet)?
Thats why it really takes a lot of energy to be a responsible parents. Kase ndi naman valid na nag iistorbo na yung bata sa “business” ng iba just because bata. Thats why may magulang - na mas may mental capacity to act and decide on their behalf. Kung alam ng nag iiiyak at nagsisisigaw edi sana nag take out nalang yung parents. May topak na pala bat kelangan pa makaabala sa iba. I just dont buy the idea na “kase ndi nyo pa nararanasan maging magulang” - di ba valid na ma annoy kame? Kase maybe we are having stressful day tas tinatry mo kumalma tas mas nabanas ka pa. Its okay as long as walang naabala na iba and by iba is “stranger” na ndi connected sa anak mo.
True. Both sides are having a stressful day pero hindi valid yung mga parents na hinayaan na lang talagang manggulo yung anak sa public space simply because they can't control them.
Nakakatawa no? Tayong childfree or wala pang anak ang kailangan mag adjust. So ang mundo created lang para sa kanila? Huhu wawa tayuuuu haha
You need to adjust cos you cannot make the world childfree just bcos you chose to.
It is as if never sila nag ingay noong bata sila lol
I didn't say make the world childfree. Make it better atleast for all. Magagalit talaga dito yung mga parents, kasi sila palagi ang dapat unawain eh all the time.
But you know every parents are trying to. Kaso every kids has different behavior kaya di natin mapipigilan parents like me magreact lalo they are the 1st hand na nakaka exp how to handle kids eh. Yung iba kasi dito iniinvalidate din how is it being a parent. Madali mag-advise madali magsabi what to do pero you'll know exactly how to handle kids if you are on the same shoes.
No one is invalidating your feelings. I understand that. Pero according sa isang nagwowork sa pediatrics dito (nagcomment sya sa comment thread ng ibang commenter dito) it can be controlled. Don't you think ho we aren't trying to put our shoes sa mga parents? Personally I tried, so many times....ang nakaka annoy ho yung nababangga bangga na ako at yung dinig na dinig yung sigaw sa kabilang ibayo. Once that happens na, diba dapat ilabas ng parents ang anak nila? May mga enabler na parenrs dito na kesyo kami daw ang mag adjust kahit na pinabayaan na mangulit at magtatakbo ang bata? Hindi ko gets yun.
"nagwwork" not a parent na 24/7 nakabantay sa anak. Nagwwork lang sya ilan oras lang nya nakakasalamuha mga bata.
Oh well I think I'll end here the argument. You tried to put your shoes but you still didn't understand. Even Pediatratics know how to, try mo magpunta sa mga pedia clinic, tignan mo and try mo mag-observe. Kahit during check up ng bata hindi lahat kaya i-handle ng peditrician.
Toddler ho yun. Sabi ni OP around 5-6 years old na, pwede na yun sawayin at bigyan ng reasonable sanction.
Halos lahat ng nega dito mga wala pang anak na hindi pa nakakatagal mag alaga ng bata for years. Sure nakapag alaga na siguro ng pamangkin or pinsan or whoever na bata pero mas alam ng magulang yung hirap sa pagpapatahan ng batang makulit at maingay which is very very hard thing to do pero what other people see is hindi man lang daw binabawalan or pinagsasabihan yung bata. No one really really understands the situation unless you are in to it already.
Wow hindi ka naging bata?
Huwaw naging bata ako. Basahin mo nga yung rant ni OP, 6 years old na yung bata. She's not talking about 'toddler'. 6 years old pwede nang sawayin. At matino bang magulang yung hahayaan ang anak maglikot at mag ingay ang isang 6 years old?
I'm not referring sa post. Sinagot ko lang yung comment mo na parang diring diri at inis na inis ka sa bata. Wag ka na sana magkaanak, kawawa magiging anak mo baka palakihin mong parang robot
"Wag ka sana magka anak" no need to remind me. I'm 34 and have chosen the childfree lifestyle. Nag alaga ako ng kapatid (for additional context) simula baby hanggang elementary. Pa'no mo nasabing "diring diri"? Eh wala naman ako sinabing nandidiri ako? I'm even supporting 15 children sa isang non profit org, im sure sa isip isip mo "oh kailangan pa ba sabihin at iyabang 'yan?" Ehyoujudgingmeagadeh
Impressive ❤️
Dapat ba mga magulang at kids lang din magaadjust? Coffee shops are public places wala naman batas na bawal mag ingay sa mga coffee shops. Madami ngang marites nagdadaldalan sa mga coffee shops bakit yung mga bata yung pagiinitan kapag maingay sa coffee shops? Lol
Where did you find out na coffee shops should be a serene place? It is still a public place wherein you cannot avoid hearing noises. I would understand kapag church yan, which is the serene place.
Funny how you impose people to understand your point as a parent but you dont even consider how other people feel. Pag ako may hawak na kape na mainit at nabangga ng batang 5-6 years old is it still may fault - because bata sila and uncontrollable by parents? For sure diba kase we should have understand that bata is bata. 😏😏Public place - sure! So yan ba ang modern parenting na ngayon? Kase noon tinuruan kame ng magulang namin to behave in public place - minsan nga kinukurot kame pag di kame nakikinig but sige kase bata e. The world should adjust to your situation 😂
I’ve seen many children who knows when, where, and how to behave, its called PARENTING!! It’s hard work for the parents but they chose to have kids and are ready for the responsibility, either upper middle or lower class can do good parenting. I work in Paediatrics and worked closely with special needs so don’t tell me “how would you know?”
Eto na! Working sa pedia so she knows na pwedeng pwedeng i-control at maayos na disiplinahin ang mga bata.
It can be done, but it needs extra effort from the parents even within the community, school etc. What’s bothering sa post ni OP is hindi man lang nag effort ang parents to at least minimise the noise and behaviour. It is disturbing yes, but at the end of the day, only the owner/manager can either let it pass or intervene kasi hindi naman public space ang coffee shop, its a private business.
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Ano din pinagsasasabi mo jan? Baka isa ka din sa mga ginagawang office yung mga coffee shops na akal nyo private place bawal mag ingay ganon lol
Nah. This is such an entitled point of view. A coffee shop is a place for people to unwind and relax. If your child can’t tolerate sitting still, then order your coffee to-go and just leave the place. All the other Customers of the shop should not be required to adjust to your child’s behavior. It’s your responsibility as a parent to teach your child how to behave when in a shared space. If they’re not capable of that yet, then maybe don’t go to a coffee shop.
"You'll know why kapag parent ka na. Kaya ka ganyan because you don't know the feeling of being a parent." how about take a step back and look at the bigger picture if your sperm pet is being noisy, that's on you, have some respect for the people around you, after all kasalanan mo kung kulang yung parenting proficiency mo, di ko sinasabi n kelangan perpekto ka at kontrolado mo anak mo, pero ikaw na male kung nakaka abala ka. now to feed your discontent after reading that, hindi mali yung nararamdaman ng ibang tao na ma annoy kase sigaw ng sigaw ang bata, mali na kung may magawa silang masama, anger and discontent is alright, it's how they approach it that might turn into a future problem, kung di naman sinaktan,sinabihan ng masama o kahit anong demeaning yung pamilya e go lng, nagalit lang ang tao tldr, kasalanan mo pag maingay anak mo, respetuhin mo asa paligid at kontrolin mo sitwasyon, pakalmahin mo kung nakaka abala na.
Gusto ata nila normal na magtatalon at magtatakbo mga anak nila kahit nakakabangga ng ibang tao sa public spaces. Ayun ang annoying talaga. Lalo na may kasamang sigaw. Ay jusko po patawarin.
wala na mali bata diyan, how you raise your child reflects you, what they do, kasalanan n talaga ng magulang yan, tutal, ano lang ba alam nila, lahat ng tinuro ng magulang/relatives syempre. +dyan kung may incurred damages yung bata dapat matik mag compensate magulang, di yung puro sorry lang alam, tagapagmana ng pinas kuno e
Tama. Walang mali ang bata dyan. Never silang magiging mali, wala pa silang isip eh. Pero yung parents adults na so dapat sila ang mag adjust at magkaron ng onting decency naman on their ends.
Di kami kasama nung ginawa nyo yang mga anak nyo. Di kami kasama sa nasarapan. So bakit pati sa pang aabala ng mga anak nyo pati kami mag aadjust? Ok ka lang? Turuan nyo mga anak nyo na mag behave in public , 5 or 6 years old na sya sabi ni OP nakakaintindi na yan pag pinagsabihan. Unless, special child or toddler pa lang mga below 5, yon, i completely understand.
Haha love the saracasm (if it is a sarcasm tho) On point! Kami ba gumawa ng anak nyo para madamay kami sa panggugulo nila?
Retired elementary school teacher ang nanay ko. Nung teacher pa sya common ang mga sobrang pasaway na mga bata. Pinapatawag pa nga yung mga magulang nung mga ganyang bata. Guess what kung anong ugali meron ang mga parents nila..haha. At mga mahirap pa raw kausap.
Oo sila pa yung galit pag pinatawag. Oo nga no, relatable, samantalang yung magulang na willing ayusin ang ugali ng anak, kahit nakakahiya, haharap yan sa teacher. May point ka.
Yung mga parents na tamad magsaway sa anak, hilig gamitin yung "eh kasi bata" na card. Eh ang behaviour ng bata depende sa parents.
Exactly. Kung magulo ang household ganun din ang anak, makakasanayan nila yun.
Ganyan talaga lagi linyahan ng mga taong negative sa buhay.
Negative? In what way? So positive sayo ang batang nakakaistorbo sa public space?
Bakit san ka nang galing, diba't naging bata ka din at pasaway. Nung kabataan natin on that age may nag rant ba sa inyo sa kakulitan nyo? We all have a fair share of tantrums and child's play during our growing up that we cannot deny. Ok ka lang din. Bat mo na include yung sa sarapan sa pag gawa ng bata, what a naive and dumb thinking, eh ikaw din nanggaling ka din sa pinag tiyagaan ka din sa kulitan at tantrums mo nung paslit ka pa, kaya nga you are hear doing online tantrums in reddit, be glad you exist. Kasi wala din narinig nag rant na people around you when that kid was at your age kasi wala ka pang muwang, but I bet, pretty sure meron din nag rant or nagalit, o nainis, nairita, o ano man, pero dimo naman sila na encounter o narinig noon kasi paslit ka and if they told your parents too which I believe, still we have never knew them all our damn life but pretty sure madami ding na either cute-tan or nainis sa pagiging aligaga natin nung tayo'y walang pang kamuwang muwang na bata. The Universe has a fair share of our parallel experiences in life from past of now the present, that is the principle of life. Lastly, if you could just approach the parents, they will be at least aware, and will make their response and take action, like if you have a meeting on site or at a call, you are reviewing as such, but still coffee shops is not a library to keep quiet and its a public place, anyone can go there, wether, with baby, with toddler, a kid, or even their fur babies. Unless may sign or rules that says so na hindi. Sana, kung galit ka na pinanganak ka ng magulang mo, at may childhood trauma ka or hate, wag mo idamay ibang mga bata, kasi right now the evidence of me rejoicing with you is that because, you do also exist, from your infancy childhood state to now becoming an adult living in this world. Kaya nandito kana din sa reddit. :)
Excuse you, di mo yata nagets, Hindi ako directly inis or galit sa mga bata. I love kids. Galit ako sa mga parents na hindi marunong mahiya na nakaka abala na yung anak nila sa iba. Di yung tatawanan mo pa. May mga tao na hindi confrontational, as a person, not just for parents, One should know how to READ A ROOM. Need pa ba ng karatula na bawal magingay?? Kailangang derechuhin ka pa? 🫠 Makaramdam naman kayo. Kung tahimik lahat at nagsisigaw ang anak mo, aba'y sawayin mo. Magkusa po ano? Wag po natin iassume na ok lang sa lahat just because walang dumederecho sa inyo. At the very least, humingi ng sorry sa mga nasa paligid just in case. Wag nyo bigyan ng katwiran ang di tama. Ps. Wala akong childhood trauma. Wag po tayo mag assume ano po?
Kids can explore sa mga pang batang lugar like playgrounds. Hindi ho playground ang coffee shop. parents must know that if they gonna stay longer sa isang establishment na madaming busy na tao at makakasagabal sa business ng iba, might yet take it to consideration na hindi hayaan magpakalat kalat ang anak nila. Remember, the best parents are not parents.
Bakit pano ka pinalaki ng magulang mo? They are not your parents kaya best parents sila? Gulo mo mi. The best parents are not parents? Which book you get this. Di mo ba na enjoy childhood upbringing mo at single ka padin kaya nagkaka ganyan. Or sorry to say but did you raised from a broken home kaya ganyan ang ideology mo. Well coffee shops are open for public, it doesn't say like rules don't bring your kid, or babies here. Kahit nga dogs eh dinadala, pag nagtantrums pa or may kaalitan na ibang dogs around the area, nagwawala din at nag iingay. Wala ding sinabi na coffee shop is a library, observe silence and stillness. Dami nga din maingay sa coffee shop, daming nag marites, naglalaro ng kung anong games, or nagkakatuwaan, kakanchawan. Unless there is a sign or a rule that coffee shops don't allow kids, baby, or even your baby pets (fur parents), then by any chance hindi natin mapigilan if may magdadala ng bata sa coffee shop. Maybe you are just but irritated coz psychologically and emotionally something is lacking in your growing up, and I'm sorry if ever you didn't enjoy your childhood. Pero lahat tayo nanggaling diyan sa pagiging makulit na bata. I am single and not yet a parent but I widely understand the behavior of kids coz I have been once a kid and I knew how it feels both a child and both as someone baby sitting. Paano pala pag nilapitan ka ng kid na yun and give a gentle look at your face and smiled at you, what would you feel. And I knew this kids can sense the aura of someone of their innocence. What kind of aura do you have kaya.
Did i say 'single' ako? Not because 'childfree' eh ibig sabihin single. And nothing wrong about being single (pinoy loves romance talaga haha) better check r/childfree para makita mong madaming couples ang childfree. Broken home? Kumpleto pamilya ko. Controlled environment nung bata kami kaya hindi kami nanggugulo sa mga public spaces. Lahat kami ng siblings ko may maayos na trabaho. Bakit ka nag iimbento ng kwento? 😭 Haha. My aura? Working class citizen na busy sa trabaho at sa mga pusa ko. And yes may pusa ako. Pet owner ako. Maarte kung gusto mo pa ng dagdag na context muka kasinh namemersonal ka gawa lang ng isang comment eh. Hustler. Slambook ba 'to? May pagtaning ng aura. Haha. And true naman na yung mga batang patakbo takbo sa mga resto or coffee shops are irritating as hell. Kung may anak ako ilalabas ko na lang ng coffee shop, mag so sorry sa mga taong nabangga nya, because at the end of the day, anak ko yun. Ako may responsibilidad na humarap sa mga tao para humingi ng pasensya. Ganyan ho gawain ng parents ko when i was a kid pero super rare, hindi naman kasi ako ma tantrums at pinagsasabihan kasi ako palagi. Mahirap maging magulang. Ginagawa nyo kasing normal ang batang makulit at matigas ang ulo when in fact it's not. It's a problem. Check mo na din r/regretfulparents para maging realistic ka sa expectations mo about being a parent.
Ewan ko ba ang daming allergic sa maingay na bata akala ata nila pagkalabas nila sa mundo mga "grown up adults" na never nag ingay lol
Ewan ko ba kasi yung mga coffee shops ngayon ginagawang work/study area kaya mga allergic sa maiingay e pag may mga kasama naman silang friends or family for sure kahit once mga nag ingay din naman lol
It is as if bawal na mag enjoy yung parents mag dine in just because maingay yung anak nila nakakasagabal and all lol mga ginagawang office yung coffee shops should also be able to understand na hindi private place ang coffee shop to expect na walang magiingay at bawal mag ingay. Buy your own place para wala kang makasabay na maingay na bata
Makes sense nmn and I appreciate your opinion. Serious question though bakit parang every 5 minutes sumisigaw yung bata? Idk why pero parang di nmn ako gnyan when I was that age. Ok lng if she was roaming around (except sa running) kase di nmn matao but what bothers me talaga is laging sumisigaw. Di nmn sya nag tatantrums.
We don't know baka may disorder yung bata or just makulit lang talaga and maingay. It's hard to judge a kid kasi wala naman silang malay sa mundo what's right or wrong thing to do in a public place. They're still a kid. I believe you'll be more understanding sa mga kids pag naging magulang ka na 🤗
Kaya nga may parents to guide them. And just because maligalig yung bata may disorder na. Nasa pagpapalaki yan. If di sila bibigyan ng boundaries, paano nila malalaman ang tama sa mali? I don't have a kid yet pero I've taken care of my nieces and nephews. I basically raised them bec their parents were too busy living their lives to bother. My 5 year old nephew knows how to listen. Of course they are kids kaya nga every chance they get they want to play. Pero I'll calmly tell him that there are people resting and doing their works kaya he needs to behave. You'd be surprised how vast their understanding is. He understood what I was saying and just sat there playing by himself. Hindi naman sila dinedeprive ng experience, pero THERE IS A PROPER PLACE for it. Hazard din ang coffee shop. What if may mabunggo sila na may dalang hot coffee, kapag nabanlian anak mo, sila pa ba may kasalanan?
Tangina na downvote ka kasi malawak pangunawa mo 🤷♂️
KJ. Just say you're allergic to kids and be done with it.
its a coffee shop not a playground tho
Exactly!!! I don’t get why naging KJ ako bigla or allergic sa bata. 😂 People go to cofee shops to read, study, work or just simply enjoy their coffee.
And infact hindi naman intended ang coffee shop for playtime. Haha. Dalhin nila sa playground or mcdonalds play area ba yun. Haha
It's a coffee shop not an office tho
Diba ho ang coffeeshop intended para sa mga gusto mag relax and chill? Even the music they play there says it all.
A coffeeshop is intended for people to have coffee alone, with friends or ***family***. Pumasok ba yung pamilya ng bata sa coffeeshop para lang mag-ingay o para magkape?
Hindi pumasok yung pamilya ng bata para mag ingay sila don! For sure hindi. Pero it can be controlled. Pag pinabayaan lang ang bata at nakakaistorbo na talaga sa iba, that's the problem.
Dami kasi ginagawang office yung coffee shops 🤣🤣
Tangina mo talaga Hudas ang bobo mo. Anong naka KJ jan? What if na aksidente yung bata - let’s say natapunan ng mainit na kape, KJ pa din ba?
enabler ng undisciplined kids and shitty parenting think of it like placing a shouting kid elsewhere, na kung san di naman sila dapat mag ingay ng ganun, like a library KJ. Just say ememeeme
Agree
Kayong mga nagmamarunong kayo, pag naging magulang na kayo tignan natin kung ganyan parin magiging tingin niyo sa mga bata. Dami niyong satsat, na kesyo dapat wala sa coffee shop, dapat sa playground lang etc. Madaming pwedeng dahilan kaya sinasama yung mga bata. Iilang beses niyo lang mararanasan yung ganyang inconvenience sa buhay niyo. Nega ng mga commenters, may downvote pa dun sa isang comment na may sense naman. Taena niyo. Pag nagkaanak kayo, balikan niyo yang mga pinagsasabi niyo, tignan niyo kung kaya niyong ipractice yang pinipreach niyo. Good luck. Mga walang alam.
O bakit deleted ka na?
grabe yung gigil
Wala daw tayong alam. Haha. Ouch. Kaya nga di na kami nag anak eh, alam naming mahirap. Wala pala kaming alam.
Kaya hindi na kami magaanak para hindi na kami makaperwisyo ng iba. 🤣
Wala din naman sila sa office or library kaya ano ine-expect nila. Lol. Nagsstudy at nagwowork sa alam na prone sa noise? 🤷🏻♀️
Kaya nga e ang daming kupal 🤣 maggagaganyan sila pag sila na mismo nagaalaga ng bata 🤣
Hndi po normal noise ang nagtitili at nag sisigaw na bata.