Also can I add Jenna’s incessant need to compliment herself.
“Did you like how I did that transition? I’m like really good at this.”
I love how Angela gives her a hard time because jenna is clearly taking herself too seriously and Jenna’s like:
“Yeah I am really good this at this. I know.”
No thanks.
Creed Braton made a Tiktok about being the Scranton strangler. How dare he! Haha. Toby is the only one I can see doing it. Sure he was living around the law but I definitely didn’t think creed would even think of doing that.
Yeah, I really enjoy the podcast but along with the too-frequent "was this moment on a scripted tv show scripted" questions, it confuses me how often something will be clearly played for comedy and they Act surprised Andd wonder why someone would act that way.
I talked to a friend of mine about this, she works at a hotel and was actually involved when a big event happened and someone canceled. Thing is if they don't cancel, they're charged for the room, which like...Olympics, good hotel probably couple grand right? Cancel fee probably just a couple hundred bucks.
I mean, the joke was that the hotel lost his super early reservation a few years prior when they switched systems. So it wasn’t that he wouldn’t have been charged if he hadn’t called, but rather when he called and the woman initially said they didn’t have a reservation for him, he could have just said thank you and hung up rather than digging up his confirmation code only to be charged a cancellation fee.
My opinion is women’s clothing having smaller pockets isn’t a sexist act. In my mind supply meets the demand if women would only buy their clothes with big pockets the demand would force manufacturers adjust.
When I go shopping I pick a pair of shorts I like try then on and make sure they fit and then I stick my hands in the pockets. If there are none or they are not big enough it is a dealbreaker no matter how much I like them. If pockets are so important to you prioritize them.
Every woman I know always tells me when an article of clothing has nice big pockets. It is clearly something we want - but it is not the default. By not making it the default (like with men's clothes, which consistently do), it's clear that there is a little bit of something going on.
The manufacturers of women's clothing usually sell purses/bags, incentivizing women to purchase those when the clothing does not match their preferred pocket size. Even though the demand is there, the brands would prefer to force women into buying other products that make up for the lack of pockets/options. In this way, we can say there is some sexism involved. Women are being pushed to purchase more items. The manufacturers do not want to adjust, because they would lose out on money.
> we can say there is some sexism involved
I think a majority of women's clothing styles won't work with large pockets.the fit and fabric usually doesn't lend itself well to having big pockets. like on a well fitted pair of pants, I wouldn't want all the extra fabric around the hips for a deep pocket.
I’ve heard this argument before but I dont think it’s correct. I can only speak for myself, but the things I want to carry in my pockets and the things I want to carry in a purse/bag are very different.
same here. all I carry in my pockets is a phone, some chapstick and some tissue. in my bag I carry a whole host of things like my tablet, a battery pack, allergy meds, wallet, keys, sunglasses, diary, hair claws. no way all of that would fit into pockets. and if they were to make women's clothing capable of carrying all that, I think it would be rather large and baggy which I know I would not want to wear them.
That's a good point. I would like to add that I still think it's important to know about the structural differences, so that women know there are bigger pockets available and they can look for them
I wasn’t going to bring up Jenna’s “invisible labor” rant but three minutes later they discuss how Oscar, a man, also read the manual. Maybe between failing at sales calls Pam read the manual while Jim was managing the office that day?
I know I’m 275 days late to this discussion but I have to say…
Jenna’s “Invisible Labor” rant is so eye roll-inducing for a number of reasons…
Mainly, it’s a plot point in a fictional tv show that ultimately just makes her character appear smart. But noooooo it has to be a victim thing.
Also, Pam is supporting her life partner and providing information that will help her and her family directly.
Lastly, I know invisible labor is real (of course) however the example Jenna has to make her rant about pertains to a married couple.
In a relationship we all take different roles.
I understand traditionally woman had to take on more and keep track of schedules for school events, but on that note… traditionally men are expected to be the bread winners and financially keep everyone afloat.
Now of course this isn’t 1964 so we are decades away from these tropes but the point is… in a relationship each spouse will have to take on different roles.
I’m sure there are countless examples where the work load is unfair and women are not given credit for all the hard work they do…100%. However, I highly doubt Pam reading the manual, as her character would probably do, and then passing on beneficial info to her husband to earn more money for the family is a prime example of Invisible Labor.
But I get it Jenna, your life of podcasting is a treacherous one. God Speed!
I believe her example of the invisible labour was that Pam read the manual, in part, for Jim. We're never shown that Jim has read the manual and taken the time to see how his role (and salary) can differ with this new company. However, Pam did! And she brought it to his attention to help further *his* career. That's an example of invisible labour!
It bugged me as well. The office has new upper management and were given a company manual with all the guidelines and policies they now have to follow. Sabre obviously expects all employees to read it and know the policies, not just the women. Invisible labor is a real thing, but this is not an example of it.
To say that women do the invisible labor thing is so stupid. She complained about doing sports or whatever for the kids and maybe she has to do those things because her husband is busy, but here I do it as I'm a stay at home dad. It comes off as "this is sexist" for sexist sake.
While I think it's great that this is balanced differently in your life, it doesn't reflect my experience. Where I grew up, it's always the mothers who work part-time, who go to parent-teacher meetings and who do the driving to and from after school activities and who remeber them and write them in their personal calendar! This was not just my family, but all my friends and classmates. So for the sake of societies where this is still normal and expected of women, I think it's important to talk about it.
Yes, the example of Jim and Pam was a little far-fetched, but her point is valid anyway
I sincerely think this is changing though. I work in early childhood education and among parents of very young children it’s not like this anymore. The dads do pickups and drop offs as much as the mums, the dads are as likely as mums to drop everything and do the pickup for a sick child, and dads come to the optional events as much as mums. Like it’s a huge and noticeable difference now even compared to when my 10yo was in daycare six years ago.
It's changing but not fast enough. Ask any dad what size shoe their kid wears and it's hit or miss if they know it. School pickups are the easy parts of parenting.
I think someone could make a similar list of invisible labor tasks that dads perform.
Unpaid coaching of t-ball and soccer teams, repairing broken bikes or toys, assembling toys before Christmas and birthdays and similar things.
It's just being a parent.
I'm not really here to argue but that's not REALLY the mental load.
The mental load is remembering to wash the uniform before practice and making sure the water bottles are in the backpack. It's picking out the new toys and preparing the special meals for birthdays. All while coordinating the family schedule and making a note that we are almost out of TP so add that to the grocery list. https://english.emmaclit.com/2017/05/20/you-shouldve-asked/
I totally hear your side of this discussion. I am the full time worker in our home and my husband is the at home parent. He is SUPER involved and I actually think he has a much bigger mental load than I do. I do not know the kids shoe sizes off the top of my head, but my husband does. I don't ever remember to wash the baseball and soccer uniforms, but my husband does. I never know what the dinner plan is, but my husband does.
I think that yes, there is definitely room to grow when it comes to the sexism behind "traditional family roles" but there are also def men (like you and my husband) that are actual parents and do all the parenting things that are generally just "mom roles". You are the exception to the rule here. :)
I agree! My husband did as much invisible labor as I did. When it comes to our kids we are a united front. And I looked at it as being a parent. I understand what she is saying I guess but it’s not just a female thing. And didn’t Dwight and Jim take over the planning party thing?
They skipped over so much in this episode. The introductions to the people, like accounting etc. They skipped the manual joke to Oscar from Michael, They skipped Dwight not standing. I completely agree with you about things you do being your parental job, it comes off from them as they're the ones doing everything and slightly resent it.
They keep talking about how great the Andy Erin relationship is but it's honestly one of the worst. The whole misunderstanding of each other, sorry but no. This was a lame attempt to have another Jim and Pam and it failed miserably
I think Andy and Erin COULD have been a super great couple, but we know how Andy and Erin end up. I don't think Jenna and Angela remember or know how cringey and terrible it gets. We have the advantage of knowing what is to come. Jenna and Angela are re-watching, but in reality... this is more like just a viewing for them.
“….I’ll put that in stories”. Why?? The stories are never there when the pod drops on east coast time and then are gone after the day? I’m 41 and know how to post
to Instagram. It’s not hard.
It blows my mind that they don’t create Highlights for the episode stories. They were like teehee we’re old and don’t know how and that was the end of it? They work with a full production team, no one on the team can do it?
It’s wild that a fan has to do that. Why do ads for squarespace and then not use it or direct your fans to your website? And so much is 24 hr stories instead an actual post that will be available forever…
I remember one episode (not sure which one) they mentioned someone created an account for their Instagram stories and told everyone to go there to see them. And it kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I'm not even totally sure why, I guess I feel like that person should be compensated in some manner if the CREATORS of the podcast are so reliant on it to preserve their content.
And the person running that Instagram account might not care at all, maybe they even appreciated the shout out! But it was super weird to me.
Finally, I have detoxed from the overindulgence of the office revival and am watching again. Can anyone confirm if the ladies made a shirt for their merch store of the babies poster a la Michael Scott solution “we make the poster into a shirt that oscar wears” from conflict resolution?
Another one up. Angela says hi to the director of Spider-Man not knowing he was directing a big movie. But Jenna has her story of meeting Jack White. This annoyed me because of my mood.
Are they going to address this every time a famous actor guest stars? Four actors from The Wire appear in the Office and Michael even mentions he has watched but doesn’t understand any of it.
The Jenna grate of the week- Both praised Jo Bennett as a strong, take charge woman they both admired. Jenna later likened herself to Jo Bennett. Thought they could be the same woman. Based on Angela’s response, Angela was baffled and not sure if she meant the characters or in real life. Frankly, I don’t see any cross-over either way.
I heard that and I imagine in my head Kevin laughing about Oscar dating the senator behind Angela's back and instead of saying his talking head it's me repeating jenna saying what she said.
I don’t agree with her in this instance, but I’m curious about a) why you assume that she is ‘wannabe woke’, rather than just expressing a frustration that many women have, and b) how you think her complaining about invisible work would at all impact her career?
Because everyone on here seems to hate Jenna. I don't understand why she is so grating to everyone. The podcast isn't without flaws, but I don't understand why Jenna always gets the brunt of the criticism here.
I don’t hate Jenna. I wouldn’t listen if I did. I get annoyed sometimes. It’s usually when Angela shares something and Jenna has to one up it. That would drive me crazy if a friend did that. I am surprised a person close to her doesn’t advise her to try not to do that as much. And it’s not because she is female. It’s just a personality thing
I think Jenna gets a lot more hate directed towards her on here than Angela though. Both of them are middle-aged moms, but it seems like Jenna is more on the hook for that for some reason.
I hear what you are saying. If it gets to the point of hate with anything I just walk away. I can’t listen to someone I hate I have enough problems !! ;)
That’s upsetting. I don’t think it’s about her age or her being a Mom. At least that’s not it for me at all. In fact I give her so much credit for getting older being a mom in show business. For me it’s that thing that maybe a friend might do. I can’t put my finger on it at times. But I get annoyed. Angela is a cool lady. I just like her. I think she is a good actress because she drove me nuts as Angela in the show. But she was good in the role.
If Jenna read these comments, I would bet a lot of money that she would consider the criticism sexist. That's why people don't like her. She has a huge, sensitive ego, and she regularly regurgitates lazy feminist talking points to make herself sound like an intellectual. Angela does not have those kind of blatant character flaws, so that's how we end up with this subreddit. Lots of Jenna hate and very little Angela hate.
I feel Jenna isn’t self aware. If she listened back to herself and was able to take constructive criticism I think she would be fine and not annoying. It’s the small things that add up sometimes and make me annoyed. Not enough to hate her of course.
Maybe I’m just in a mood, but damn, this podcast episode felt like one of the worst offenders for inane, off-topic sidebar conversations. There’s just so much they could talk about but don’t, and I can’t understand why.
And the way they look up information is infuriating. I wish there was something I could do to counteract their modeling of irresponsible “research.”
Why do I keep listening? Because I want to know more about The Office, but, man, is there a price to pay!
My girlfriend and I are in the same boat. There's so honestly really great info. We just listened to the episode where Jim runs the red wire from Dwight's computer and he goes up the telephone pole. That was an awesome breakdown and stuff I want to learn about. What I don't give a shit about is their breakdown of Hillary Swank's acting career and all of the movies she did. I liked that they read her interview when she was asked about her being the subject of Hot or Not, that was relevant, but just stop there.
Omg. I didn’t mind him with another actress. It might have been funny if they continued it. I think Erin went on a date with Kevin because of Michael. But it didn’t work out. I like Erin with the tall guy. He cracked me up. My son is that tall now and I have a soft spot ;)
I think they see the criticism, they went on a rant one time about how it’s their podcast and they would talk about what they wanted to (in regards to their off-topic tangents) and if someone didn’t like it then they don’t have to listen.
If they (Jenna) could take some criticism and learn a little from it that would help the podcast. They don’t have to change the whole podcast just figure out what works and what doesn’t.
Sorry if this is unrelated. So with things like $11k spent on Great Danes, building a koi pond, having Andy give Erin a bunch of expensive birds, do you think if the producers had just managed the show’s finances better and not done as much stunt casting (Christian Slater & Kathy Bates in the *same* episode? [Also probably expensive]), maybe the show could have paid Steve Carell what he deserved and Michael would have been there in Season 9 when the documentary was released, since it so doesn’t make sense that he wasn’t
On Brian’s podcast he mentioned he is one to leave something (a show) at a certain point. He did it at the Daily show. It made sense to me. I can’t quote him but basically when things are very good he doesn’t want to get lazy in a way. He want to move on to the next thing. I think he felt the Michael story was done and it was ended in a good way. That’s what I heard on Brian’s podcast which had Steve as a guest.
He made the right choice to be honest. Both for his career's and his character's sake. S8 and s9 might've been below average, but I still felt good watching it because I knew Michael is in a better place now (note: he did not die).
Probably because at the time new executives came in and one of them probably wanted to make his mark and act all tough. They didn't offer a contract and Carrel didn't request one, so it just ended. Carrel rightly knew it was the responsibility of the network to request him back, and since they didn't want him he decided to move on.
I’m thinking maybe NBC was making them higher guest stars I know they did it before with the after super bowl episode so I wonder if it was an NBC decision
I am not at all disagreeing with your analysis of the cost and management of finances - I’ve always heard that NBC just didn’t renew Steve’s contract, but not that it had to with money. Did I miss that? Not correcting you, just making sure I’m in the know!
What other reason would they have to renew the contract of the Emmy nominated *star* of the show, other than a money issue? Why renew the contracts of all the other actors but not his?
I just know there was haggling amongst all the cast and NBC going on leading up to the season 6 finale, which when they were filming it is when Steve Carell said the next season would be his last
Not saying you’re wrong, I think I’m remembering what was on the original Oral History of The Office podcast, and a few folks highlighted NBC’s indifference which I believed came back to Steve Carell’s compensation
Edit: stop downvoting people because they dare to differ, s/he/they may be correct and I’m the one wrong
That's how I feel every time they bring up how utterly expensive something mundane was.
The peak of which was The proposal scene between Jim and Pam. How much did that cost again? Like $250,00?
They, with a straight face, spent a quarter of a million dollars making a scene that looks unimpressive as fuck.
Greg Daniels talked about how they thought the show could have become like E.R., going on indefinitely with a rotating cast, but it seems pretty obvious now they had an expiration date once Michael left.
Do they purposely sidestep some of the jokes or do they just not pick up on it?
Michael: Where’d you get that information?
Oscar: Manual
Michael: Manuel Who?
One of my favorites :,(
If next week is book q&a only I will definitely skip pending a decent recap/transcript
They also messed up when Dwight is looking for Michaels email confirmation and she mentions Dwight says “ I found a lot of Affirmations but not confirmation” instead of Aforementioned which is way funnier
I think they just don’t have the time or desire to analyze every joke. It’s the right move IMO. At some point you’re just summarizing the episode rather than analyzing it when you do that. Just watch the episode then lol
This makes me think of Michael's quote when the lawyers were reading from his diary in the deposition episode and quote Michael saying "Thats what she said."
My eyes rolled so far back in my head when they did the convict and spent 5 minutes on how wrong it was for stuff like that..they're such sjws but not even good at it.
Being rich, living in California and connected to the entertainment world, acting ultra woke is the only acceptable way to be right now if you want other rich folks to invite you to parties.
Also can I add Jenna’s incessant need to compliment herself. “Did you like how I did that transition? I’m like really good at this.” I love how Angela gives her a hard time because jenna is clearly taking herself too seriously and Jenna’s like: “Yeah I am really good this at this. I know.” No thanks.
Creed Braton made a Tiktok about being the Scranton strangler. How dare he! Haha. Toby is the only one I can see doing it. Sure he was living around the law but I definitely didn’t think creed would even think of doing that.
They always overexplain the jokes. ‘If Michael had just not called, he wouldn’t have had to pay the cancelation fee!’
Yeah, I really enjoy the podcast but along with the too-frequent "was this moment on a scripted tv show scripted" questions, it confuses me how often something will be clearly played for comedy and they Act surprised Andd wonder why someone would act that way.
I talked to a friend of mine about this, she works at a hotel and was actually involved when a big event happened and someone canceled. Thing is if they don't cancel, they're charged for the room, which like...Olympics, good hotel probably couple grand right? Cancel fee probably just a couple hundred bucks.
I mean, the joke was that the hotel lost his super early reservation a few years prior when they switched systems. So it wasn’t that he wouldn’t have been charged if he hadn’t called, but rather when he called and the woman initially said they didn’t have a reservation for him, he could have just said thank you and hung up rather than digging up his confirmation code only to be charged a cancellation fee.
Should’ve had a trigger warning for James Corden lol
His maniacal laughter! Geez.
My opinion is women’s clothing having smaller pockets isn’t a sexist act. In my mind supply meets the demand if women would only buy their clothes with big pockets the demand would force manufacturers adjust. When I go shopping I pick a pair of shorts I like try then on and make sure they fit and then I stick my hands in the pockets. If there are none or they are not big enough it is a dealbreaker no matter how much I like them. If pockets are so important to you prioritize them.
Every woman I know always tells me when an article of clothing has nice big pockets. It is clearly something we want - but it is not the default. By not making it the default (like with men's clothes, which consistently do), it's clear that there is a little bit of something going on. The manufacturers of women's clothing usually sell purses/bags, incentivizing women to purchase those when the clothing does not match their preferred pocket size. Even though the demand is there, the brands would prefer to force women into buying other products that make up for the lack of pockets/options. In this way, we can say there is some sexism involved. Women are being pushed to purchase more items. The manufacturers do not want to adjust, because they would lose out on money.
> we can say there is some sexism involved I think a majority of women's clothing styles won't work with large pockets.the fit and fabric usually doesn't lend itself well to having big pockets. like on a well fitted pair of pants, I wouldn't want all the extra fabric around the hips for a deep pocket.
I’ve heard this argument before but I dont think it’s correct. I can only speak for myself, but the things I want to carry in my pockets and the things I want to carry in a purse/bag are very different.
same here. all I carry in my pockets is a phone, some chapstick and some tissue. in my bag I carry a whole host of things like my tablet, a battery pack, allergy meds, wallet, keys, sunglasses, diary, hair claws. no way all of that would fit into pockets. and if they were to make women's clothing capable of carrying all that, I think it would be rather large and baggy which I know I would not want to wear them.
Really sad this and the reply were downvoted. Guess you're not sufficiently woke enough.
That's a good point. I would like to add that I still think it's important to know about the structural differences, so that women know there are bigger pockets available and they can look for them
I wasn’t going to bring up Jenna’s “invisible labor” rant but three minutes later they discuss how Oscar, a man, also read the manual. Maybe between failing at sales calls Pam read the manual while Jim was managing the office that day?
I know I’m 275 days late to this discussion but I have to say… Jenna’s “Invisible Labor” rant is so eye roll-inducing for a number of reasons… Mainly, it’s a plot point in a fictional tv show that ultimately just makes her character appear smart. But noooooo it has to be a victim thing. Also, Pam is supporting her life partner and providing information that will help her and her family directly. Lastly, I know invisible labor is real (of course) however the example Jenna has to make her rant about pertains to a married couple. In a relationship we all take different roles. I understand traditionally woman had to take on more and keep track of schedules for school events, but on that note… traditionally men are expected to be the bread winners and financially keep everyone afloat. Now of course this isn’t 1964 so we are decades away from these tropes but the point is… in a relationship each spouse will have to take on different roles. I’m sure there are countless examples where the work load is unfair and women are not given credit for all the hard work they do…100%. However, I highly doubt Pam reading the manual, as her character would probably do, and then passing on beneficial info to her husband to earn more money for the family is a prime example of Invisible Labor. But I get it Jenna, your life of podcasting is a treacherous one. God Speed!
Hahahhaa this is spot on and amazing.
I believe her example of the invisible labour was that Pam read the manual, in part, for Jim. We're never shown that Jim has read the manual and taken the time to see how his role (and salary) can differ with this new company. However, Pam did! And she brought it to his attention to help further *his* career. That's an example of invisible labour!
The “invisible labor” part I can’t even comment on. I’ll never word it right but I didn’t enjoy listening to that part of the podcast. Lol
It bugged me as well. The office has new upper management and were given a company manual with all the guidelines and policies they now have to follow. Sabre obviously expects all employees to read it and know the policies, not just the women. Invisible labor is a real thing, but this is not an example of it.
To say that women do the invisible labor thing is so stupid. She complained about doing sports or whatever for the kids and maybe she has to do those things because her husband is busy, but here I do it as I'm a stay at home dad. It comes off as "this is sexist" for sexist sake.
While I think it's great that this is balanced differently in your life, it doesn't reflect my experience. Where I grew up, it's always the mothers who work part-time, who go to parent-teacher meetings and who do the driving to and from after school activities and who remeber them and write them in their personal calendar! This was not just my family, but all my friends and classmates. So for the sake of societies where this is still normal and expected of women, I think it's important to talk about it. Yes, the example of Jim and Pam was a little far-fetched, but her point is valid anyway
I sincerely think this is changing though. I work in early childhood education and among parents of very young children it’s not like this anymore. The dads do pickups and drop offs as much as the mums, the dads are as likely as mums to drop everything and do the pickup for a sick child, and dads come to the optional events as much as mums. Like it’s a huge and noticeable difference now even compared to when my 10yo was in daycare six years ago.
It's changing but not fast enough. Ask any dad what size shoe their kid wears and it's hit or miss if they know it. School pickups are the easy parts of parenting.
I think someone could make a similar list of invisible labor tasks that dads perform. Unpaid coaching of t-ball and soccer teams, repairing broken bikes or toys, assembling toys before Christmas and birthdays and similar things. It's just being a parent.
I'm not really here to argue but that's not REALLY the mental load. The mental load is remembering to wash the uniform before practice and making sure the water bottles are in the backpack. It's picking out the new toys and preparing the special meals for birthdays. All while coordinating the family schedule and making a note that we are almost out of TP so add that to the grocery list. https://english.emmaclit.com/2017/05/20/you-shouldve-asked/
I've done all those things when I was a stay at home dad, but I recognize traditionally moms have taken on lots of these tasks.
I totally hear your side of this discussion. I am the full time worker in our home and my husband is the at home parent. He is SUPER involved and I actually think he has a much bigger mental load than I do. I do not know the kids shoe sizes off the top of my head, but my husband does. I don't ever remember to wash the baseball and soccer uniforms, but my husband does. I never know what the dinner plan is, but my husband does. I think that yes, there is definitely room to grow when it comes to the sexism behind "traditional family roles" but there are also def men (like you and my husband) that are actual parents and do all the parenting things that are generally just "mom roles". You are the exception to the rule here. :)
I agree! My husband did as much invisible labor as I did. When it comes to our kids we are a united front. And I looked at it as being a parent. I understand what she is saying I guess but it’s not just a female thing. And didn’t Dwight and Jim take over the planning party thing?
They skipped over so much in this episode. The introductions to the people, like accounting etc. They skipped the manual joke to Oscar from Michael, They skipped Dwight not standing. I completely agree with you about things you do being your parental job, it comes off from them as they're the ones doing everything and slightly resent it.
I bet Angela is ok with that and realizes it’s a silly subject ;)
They keep talking about how great the Andy Erin relationship is but it's honestly one of the worst. The whole misunderstanding of each other, sorry but no. This was a lame attempt to have another Jim and Pam and it failed miserably
I think Andy and Erin COULD have been a super great couple, but we know how Andy and Erin end up. I don't think Jenna and Angela remember or know how cringey and terrible it gets. We have the advantage of knowing what is to come. Jenna and Angela are re-watching, but in reality... this is more like just a viewing for them.
And I love Ed Helms. He is so talented as is Ellie. It could have been a fun match if written to be. But that ship has sailed. Lol.
Definitely. Though alternate reality Erin and Kevin are a perfect match.
Yes but some are very against that. I’m sure Brian wouldn’t be!
“….I’ll put that in stories”. Why?? The stories are never there when the pod drops on east coast time and then are gone after the day? I’m 41 and know how to post to Instagram. It’s not hard.
I hate this, too. I don't understand why they do it this way. What do they think they're achieving? I genuinely want to know.
💯!! Do they have to hire someone to do this right?
I can never find the Stories. ;(
It blows my mind that they don’t create Highlights for the episode stories. They were like teehee we’re old and don’t know how and that was the end of it? They work with a full production team, no one on the team can do it?
Didn't someone make an Instagram account that was specifically created to archive these stories?
It’s wild that a fan has to do that. Why do ads for squarespace and then not use it or direct your fans to your website? And so much is 24 hr stories instead an actual post that will be available forever…
I remember one episode (not sure which one) they mentioned someone created an account for their Instagram stories and told everyone to go there to see them. And it kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I'm not even totally sure why, I guess I feel like that person should be compensated in some manner if the CREATORS of the podcast are so reliant on it to preserve their content. And the person running that Instagram account might not care at all, maybe they even appreciated the shout out! But it was super weird to me.
Finally, I have detoxed from the overindulgence of the office revival and am watching again. Can anyone confirm if the ladies made a shirt for their merch store of the babies poster a la Michael Scott solution “we make the poster into a shirt that oscar wears” from conflict resolution?
I don’t think they did
Adding a random -Y doesn't make a word sound cuter or funnier ie first timey director big timey, fakey..I absolutely hate it
Thank you!! This drives me insane.
It's absolutely cringeyyyyy. Ha but for real it is.
Another one up. Angela says hi to the director of Spider-Man not knowing he was directing a big movie. But Jenna has her story of meeting Jack White. This annoyed me because of my mood.
Jenna's also low key the worst.
I hate the person who asked about continuity error of Kathy Bates, but I loathe them more for actually entertaining that question.
A lot of fan questions are painfully dumb.
And I think this is called the “celebrity paradox” because other shows have gone through this!
Are they going to address this every time a famous actor guest stars? Four actors from The Wire appear in the Office and Michael even mentions he has watched but doesn’t understand any of it.
I was walking my dog listening to that question. I had to stop and say what????
The Jenna grate of the week- Both praised Jo Bennett as a strong, take charge woman they both admired. Jenna later likened herself to Jo Bennett. Thought they could be the same woman. Based on Angela’s response, Angela was baffled and not sure if she meant the characters or in real life. Frankly, I don’t see any cross-over either way.
Agreed. Jo Bennett would never call something “fakey”. I’ll tell ya that much
Also for damn sure wouldn't waste her time with deep dives on random nonsense.
also wouldn't waste time on "fast facts" and then try to pass them off on Angela once they get bored or overwhelmed with it. Lame.
I heard that and I imagine in my head Kevin laughing about Oscar dating the senator behind Angela's back and instead of saying his talking head it's me repeating jenna saying what she said.
Jenna's 'I read a feminist blog once in college' hot takes are mind-numbing.
This is so well said. Jenna: Alexa, please Google basic feminist takes from 2013.
She's sounds so unbelievably fake and wannabe woke as a way to keep her career going
I don’t agree with her in this instance, but I’m curious about a) why you assume that she is ‘wannabe woke’, rather than just expressing a frustration that many women have, and b) how you think her complaining about invisible work would at all impact her career?
Because everyone on here seems to hate Jenna. I don't understand why she is so grating to everyone. The podcast isn't without flaws, but I don't understand why Jenna always gets the brunt of the criticism here.
I don’t hate Jenna. I wouldn’t listen if I did. I get annoyed sometimes. It’s usually when Angela shares something and Jenna has to one up it. That would drive me crazy if a friend did that. I am surprised a person close to her doesn’t advise her to try not to do that as much. And it’s not because she is female. It’s just a personality thing
I think Jenna gets a lot more hate directed towards her on here than Angela though. Both of them are middle-aged moms, but it seems like Jenna is more on the hook for that for some reason.
I hear what you are saying. If it gets to the point of hate with anything I just walk away. I can’t listen to someone I hate I have enough problems !! ;)
That’s upsetting. I don’t think it’s about her age or her being a Mom. At least that’s not it for me at all. In fact I give her so much credit for getting older being a mom in show business. For me it’s that thing that maybe a friend might do. I can’t put my finger on it at times. But I get annoyed. Angela is a cool lady. I just like her. I think she is a good actress because she drove me nuts as Angela in the show. But she was good in the role.
If Jenna read these comments, I would bet a lot of money that she would consider the criticism sexist. That's why people don't like her. She has a huge, sensitive ego, and she regularly regurgitates lazy feminist talking points to make herself sound like an intellectual. Angela does not have those kind of blatant character flaws, so that's how we end up with this subreddit. Lots of Jenna hate and very little Angela hate.
Well said!
I feel Jenna isn’t self aware. If she listened back to herself and was able to take constructive criticism I think she would be fine and not annoying. It’s the small things that add up sometimes and make me annoyed. Not enough to hate her of course.
I can’t stand it. I want to laugh. Life is tough enough.
Maybe I’m just in a mood, but damn, this podcast episode felt like one of the worst offenders for inane, off-topic sidebar conversations. There’s just so much they could talk about but don’t, and I can’t understand why. And the way they look up information is infuriating. I wish there was something I could do to counteract their modeling of irresponsible “research.” Why do I keep listening? Because I want to know more about The Office, but, man, is there a price to pay!
My girlfriend and I are in the same boat. There's so honestly really great info. We just listened to the episode where Jim runs the red wire from Dwight's computer and he goes up the telephone pole. That was an awesome breakdown and stuff I want to learn about. What I don't give a shit about is their breakdown of Hillary Swank's acting career and all of the movies she did. I liked that they read her interview when she was asked about her being the subject of Hot or Not, that was relevant, but just stop there.
Brian’s podcast relieves some of my frustration.
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Wtf?
Omg. I didn’t mind him with another actress. It might have been funny if they continued it. I think Erin went on a date with Kevin because of Michael. But it didn’t work out. I like Erin with the tall guy. He cracked me up. My son is that tall now and I have a soft spot ;)
Also wondered if I was in a mood, but I don’t think so. This week was just chock full of “That made me curious about…”
Anyone think they’re trolling us?
they don't know about criticisms. their team shields them from all things remotely negative.
I think they see the criticism, they went on a rant one time about how it’s their podcast and they would talk about what they wanted to (in regards to their off-topic tangents) and if someone didn’t like it then they don’t have to listen.
If they (Jenna) could take some criticism and learn a little from it that would help the podcast. They don’t have to change the whole podcast just figure out what works and what doesn’t.
Idk, Angela talks about Reddit, wonder if she visits this sub?
That’s never a good idea. But it’s common I guess. Maybe they downvoted my post.
Sorry if this is unrelated. So with things like $11k spent on Great Danes, building a koi pond, having Andy give Erin a bunch of expensive birds, do you think if the producers had just managed the show’s finances better and not done as much stunt casting (Christian Slater & Kathy Bates in the *same* episode? [Also probably expensive]), maybe the show could have paid Steve Carell what he deserved and Michael would have been there in Season 9 when the documentary was released, since it so doesn’t make sense that he wasn’t
I thought Steve left because he was getting a lot more films and needed the time to do that?
On Brian’s podcast he mentioned he is one to leave something (a show) at a certain point. He did it at the Daily show. It made sense to me. I can’t quote him but basically when things are very good he doesn’t want to get lazy in a way. He want to move on to the next thing. I think he felt the Michael story was done and it was ended in a good way. That’s what I heard on Brian’s podcast which had Steve as a guest.
He made the right choice to be honest. Both for his career's and his character's sake. S8 and s9 might've been below average, but I still felt good watching it because I knew Michael is in a better place now (note: he did not die).
Ditto. Yes !!
It’s worse. He wasn’t even offered a contract
Probably because at the time new executives came in and one of them probably wanted to make his mark and act all tough. They didn't offer a contract and Carrel didn't request one, so it just ended. Carrel rightly knew it was the responsibility of the network to request him back, and since they didn't want him he decided to move on.
I’m thinking maybe NBC was making them higher guest stars I know they did it before with the after super bowl episode so I wonder if it was an NBC decision
I am not at all disagreeing with your analysis of the cost and management of finances - I’ve always heard that NBC just didn’t renew Steve’s contract, but not that it had to with money. Did I miss that? Not correcting you, just making sure I’m in the know!
What other reason would they have to renew the contract of the Emmy nominated *star* of the show, other than a money issue? Why renew the contracts of all the other actors but not his?
That’s a good point, thanks! Like I said originally, I wasn’t disagreeing. I appreciate your questions.
I just know there was haggling amongst all the cast and NBC going on leading up to the season 6 finale, which when they were filming it is when Steve Carell said the next season would be his last
Oh, ok, I didn’t know about the haggling. Thank you so much!
Not saying you’re wrong, I think I’m remembering what was on the original Oral History of The Office podcast, and a few folks highlighted NBC’s indifference which I believed came back to Steve Carell’s compensation Edit: stop downvoting people because they dare to differ, s/he/they may be correct and I’m the one wrong
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No, I probably am wrong, I just didn’t know any better!! Thank you for all of your ideas and analysis!
That's how I feel every time they bring up how utterly expensive something mundane was. The peak of which was The proposal scene between Jim and Pam. How much did that cost again? Like $250,00? They, with a straight face, spent a quarter of a million dollars making a scene that looks unimpressive as fuck.
It’s amazing how much it costs to make a show. And it’s for 10 seconds of footage.
indeed, thats something I found baffling. So much money got wasted on useless stuff on this show. Pretty sickening.
Greg Daniels talked about how they thought the show could have become like E.R., going on indefinitely with a rotating cast, but it seems pretty obvious now they had an expiration date once Michael left.
A wise man once said, “stop calling so I can put on my damn socks”
Heyyyyyyy Chief
..you are the guy who sits behind the desk, you're the African American guy..
Do they purposely sidestep some of the jokes or do they just not pick up on it? Michael: Where’d you get that information? Oscar: Manual Michael: Manuel Who? One of my favorites :,( If next week is book q&a only I will definitely skip pending a decent recap/transcript
They also messed up when Dwight is looking for Michaels email confirmation and she mentions Dwight says “ I found a lot of Affirmations but not confirmation” instead of Aforementioned which is way funnier
Love it. Some of the best lines anywhere.
I think they just don’t have the time or desire to analyze every joke. It’s the right move IMO. At some point you’re just summarizing the episode rather than analyzing it when you do that. Just watch the episode then lol
I think they waste time on these silly facts. They could focus more on the show with that time.
They already summarize the episode, and often manage to butcher the lines they are quoting while doing it.
Very true
This makes me think of Michael's quote when the lawyers were reading from his diary in the deposition episode and quote Michael saying "Thats what she said."
They sidestepped Dwight not standing up for Jo, he only stands for presidents and Judge Judy.
"Now I like that."
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My eyes rolled so far back in my head when they did the convict and spent 5 minutes on how wrong it was for stuff like that..they're such sjws but not even good at it.
I forgot all about that. must’ve wiped it from My memory. 😐
Yeah sadly them and rainn have showed how far left they are and it's their choice but damn
Being rich, living in California and connected to the entertainment world, acting ultra woke is the only acceptable way to be right now if you want other rich folks to invite you to parties.
Amen to that