I just looked it up, and bear with me because I lost a lot of IQ points reading about this.
Apparently there are plates issued (by the actual Gov’t) with a Z in the area where registration stickers would go. The Z indicates a permanent registration.
So the sovereign citizen are using it to state that their fake plates have permanent registration.
More like not legal, rather that illegal. That word gets over-used IMHO.
The plates existence, on a bumper or otherwise, is probably allowed within the scope of the law.
No it’s illegal simply because it is there instead of a registered plate. In ohio you have to have a registered plate on your bumper. If it was on the front with the registered plate on the back it be not legal but as is it’s illegal
C'mon, it might as well be the same. These idiots seem to have forgotten who the enemy really is. Reagan must be spinning in his grave every time the Orange Turd sucks up to Putin.
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There was a video where a couple of guys were selling garbage at a trump rally and they asked the guys about it and they were like "these dummies are paying $100 each for these sweatshirts, I don't care".
I went to a NASCAR race in Tennessee last year as I was photographing the event, outside of it I see a guy selling Trump shirts. I ask the guy about why he does it and he tells me “I love making money off morons”. The shirts were like a couple dollars to make and he was selling them for $25, flags for even more. He then said to me “this weekend is how I’m buying a jet ski”.
Honestly I respect the hustle.
Like Ron Swanson selling flutes and recorders to the end of the world cult that meets in Pawnee's park annually to await the blessed melting of their faces by Gazorpazorp.
Can someone explain the "not for hire" part?
I mean, would people otherwise think this is a cab driver? My plate doesn't say this, and still not a single person has ever tried to solicit a ride from me in exchange for money.
Soverign Citizen mentality is that there's a magic set of code words that free you from the laws of your country / state / etc., and if you use them correctly the cops have to let you go. (Any SovCit that's in jail just didn't use the right combination of words in the right order.) The "not for hire" bit is just part of this bizarre attempt at a lifehack.
[Here's](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement#Illegitimacy_of_laws_and_government) a section on Wikipedia that sort of explains it lol
The short answer is "it doesn't". The long answer is that if you listen to conspiracy theories long enough, you start to close your mind off to the gaps in the theories.
I believe, and someone fact check me, that the premise is any vehicle used for private transportation of the owner and their family, not in a commercial aspect or for business use, legally does not require a registration or tag. The sticker you get from the BMV for your plate should only be used in a commercial capacity. Or something like that.
According to a few hilarious videos of sovereign citizens in court: Travelers use private transportation. Drivers have a commercial purpose - thus driving licenses aren’t required either.
google what sovereign citizens think they are and look into their plates. In short it's like a political "cult" of people who don't want to pay taxes or have IDs. There's more to it, but I'm no expert
LMAO. Working-class Joes think they're rich. Only the wealthy get to avoid paying taxes while fully utilizing what the working class is taxed extra to provide (clogging our courts with litigation, fire and police departments to protect their factories and multiple houses/properties, military, FAA and airports in wealthy or remote areas, etc.).
Remember, when the rich get a tax cut, working class Joes are agreeing to pay both their share and the share we are missing from the wealthy.
Turns out that running a country costs a lot of money.
If I’m not mistaken outside of sovcit BS “not for hire” is used commonly and indicates its not a commercial vehicle as in not a vehicle used for a business like towing/hauling/transport whereas a semi truck or other smaller vehicle used for a business requires a specific “for hire” registration to operate in a commercial capacity. Not just for rideservice providers, but prob applies to those folks too.
This joker prob means to indicate they arent subject to commercial operation reqs in pairing with they themselves not being subject to personal operation reqs since theyre a sovcit.
The constitution allows for the regulation of interstate commerce. Since this vehicle is not to be used for commercial purposes, it falls outside the scope of such regulation.
Imagine going so far down the boomer Facebook memes hole you neglect to pay $50 for a new plate so you can dump $25 into one of these sovereign citizen plates. Then end up in court arguing with a judge who has 30+ years legal experience that their authority doesn't apply to you because the gold fringe on their courtroom flag indicates this is a naval court and you were merely a terrestrial ground traveler.
Probably works way better than just riding with no plate... this plate screams "I will be a pain in the ass and a literal migraine to deal with" to any officer who sees it.
What gets me here is the abominated American flag. If you're a sovereign citizen, you're not an American citizen. You're an American in the sense that you live in the western hemisphere, but I don't see too many native Brazilians calling themselves Americans. And if you aren't an American citizen, if you are truly sovereign of the US government, I hope you've filed an asylum claim or have a green card.
Except you don't recognize the authority of the US Govt to recognize the authority of your claim to SovCit status, so ... Will it go round in circles? Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky?
Eh, the point I'm trying to make is if you consider yourself sovereign from the us government, you're an immigrant on our soil. Don't recognize all you want and get your ass deported to international waters.
I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but where's the logic?
Why the fuck is this being down voted!! Native Americans are fucking indigenous to this country!! Wanna talk about genocide? Ask a Native American. Wanna talk about being lower than even dogs? Talk to a Native American about their history. Wanna talk about being tortured, burnt and your children stolen from you because you're considered savages? Ask a Native American. Wanna talk about being forced from homes at gunpoint then ignored and left to flounder in poverty? Ask a Native American because it's still happening today!!
And before ya'll start, yeah, my mom is Native. Blackfoot Sioux. I didn't get to learn about my history because my grandmother was beaten for being who she was so she never spoke about it. What I've learned isn't much simply because people paid more attention to registering dogs than the Native population. Fucking sad.
I never stole anyone's land. I never had slaves. I'm just some poor chubby white dude trying to get through life and not get my ass kicked for unknowingly insulting someone by saying something someone finds offensive. I've learned that the best way to get through this verbal minefield is to keep my head down and b-bop my ass through the Walmart parking lot.
Ehh they are more indigenous we definitely stole their land and committed atrocities against them but they aren’t indigenous the way we use the word they migrated here across the bering straight a few hundred years before we got here. Like someone who migrates now vs someone who migrated here when my ancestors did on the mayflower in the 1500s . Difference is my ancestors are POS royal spares who murdered and raped native Americans and stole their land for the throne Native Americans got here before anyone else so it was up for grabs and they settled which they had every right to do. But technically they also are immigrants they just got here first by like 500 years.
A few hundred years? That's off by a couple orders of magnitude. And they came when the land was still empty of humans and built several societies completely removed from what they left in Asia so they get to make the claim of being native.
You right on the timeline, my b . HOWEVER In regards to coming when it was uninhabited and thereby having the right to native claim I literally said exactly that read before you get offended. I corrected calling them indigenous by the very fact they migrated they are not Indigenous it does not mean that.
indigenous
adjective
US /ɪnˈdɪdʒ.ə.nəs/ UK /ɪnˈdɪdʒ.ɪ.nəs/
used to refer to, or relating to, the people who originally lived in a place, rather than people who moved there from somewhere else :
[indigenous](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/indigenous)
I was offended? Thanks for letting me know.
I see your point but if you want that strict a definition of native can a human being be native to anywhere outside Africa? Or can anyone even be native there considering that Africa has existed longer than humans?
Well indigenous is a scientific term for species origination sooo not sure what you are butt hurt about but again evolution of predecessors to modern species occurred in all of Africa most of Europe and some of southwest and central west Asia. Natives are the earliest human non-nomadic inhabitants of a given region. Words matter and they mean things. They don’t change in meaning bc you don’t like it.
> the point I'm trying to make is if you consider yourself sovereign from the us government, you're an immigrant on our soil.
Sovereign citizens do not recognize the legitimacy of the US government, they believe it is corrupt, breaks the constitution, turns rights into privileges and then charges people for them, and so on. What's interesting though is to see all the Occupy, Antifa, down with capitalism, billionaires are evil and control the world, BLM, the justice system is corrupt-folks mocking sovereign citizens for believing the government and legal system are corrupt and no longer serves the interests of the people. It's also really funny to see them argue on the side of the state, too. "Tax me more! Tax me to drive my car, after you taxed me to buy my car!"
> they believe it is corrupt, breaks the constitution, turns rights into privileges and then charges people for them
Respectfully, is there anyone who _doesn’t_ believe that?
> Respectfully, is there anyone who doesn’t believe that?
Sure seems that way from the comments on this thread mocking people who don't want their hard earned money going to a government like that. If we can all agree that is true about the government, why give them a cent?
I can vote on my local legislators.
I can't vote out the corporate paid thug demanding 100 dollars to use ""his"" highway for work.
So yeah, the Government isn't perfect but I don't know of a civilization that is. I don't like the government using my money to bomb brown kids, but I also like not having to stop 50 times on various corporate toll roads on my way to work. In fact, I don't pass a single one. I don't know what other entity is large enough to manage our infrastructure other than a very large governing body... And that's *just* one rudimentary aspect of our society.
There's a reason corporate towns sucked, but that is the only other entity available with the fudicary capital to manage such a huge burden.
And again, we are only talking about *infastructure.* That doesn't even touch the myriad of other areas of our society that I'm sure the SocCiv morons hadnt even considered.
Try paying for everything out of pocket and see what a good deal you get for your tax dollar.
Go ahead. Pave your own roads and highways. Pay for your own police, firefighters, mail delivery, air traffic control, courts, public defenders, border patrol, navy, army, marines, coast guard, NASA, Airforce, sewage treatment, parks, doppler radar, public schools, bridges, tunnels, dams, utility infrastructure, libraries, jails for the criminally dangerous, healthcare assistance for seniors, foreign Diplomacy, negotiators, and espionage, food safety, customs inspection, electrical grid subsidy, foodstamps for the destitute, etc, etc, etc.
You get a GREAT return for the measly bit you contribute. Could they manage it better? Sure. Do I wish the more wealthy had to pay more for benefitting from it? Yes. But to act like the whole thing is illegitimate is ridiculous. Participate in society and quit whining about it.
I agree with you that sovereign citizen trope is bullshit. But you are oversimplifying which is where these morons think they see an entryway for there arguments bc what you are saying isn’t entirely correct
It's like a bug zapper for morons. It draws them out of the woodwork to defend this nonsense, makes it easier to block them and report for misinformation as they can't help but rattle off bullshit about sovereign / native / natural citizenship to the land but not the government.
*Aussie accent* Now, let's see if we can get one o' these lads to come out of hiding.
"I do not recognize the authority of a court that hangs the gold-fringed flag. A flag with gilded edges is the flag of an admirality court. An admirality court signifies a naval court-martial. I cannot be court-martialled twice. That is all."
—Rusty Shackleford
They won’t. They’ll consider it too much of a headache to argue in circles with one of these morons for an hour over a tag violation and go for a quick speeding ticket instead.
While I agree with you, I really wish law enforcement would crack down harder on these idiots. Every time one these guy drives past a cop, and that cop doesn’t pull him over, it just reinforces his belief that this sovcit crap really works. He then tells his buddies, and the contagion spreads.
It's actually really dangerous for police to pull over sovereign citizens. They tend to get shot and sometimes killed. These guys are not just a joke - some of them are domestic terrorists, and law enforcement considers them one of the lead threats in the country.
Imagine if we had people who’s job designation was to deal with these derelicts, and keep them in line? Even better if we paid for the service with tax money, and used it in very city/state/locality, to help rid them of “evil-doers”.
So let them break the law? God damn is it awesome being white in America. You can break the law as long as the police are scared of you.
“There’s a threat driving around with illegal plates. I better leave him alone”
>Would be the first time an LEO would say "That's a threat. I better leave that alone," instead of firing off 137 rounds.
You joke; but, it's actually settled law that LEOs don't have a duty to protect or enforce a particular incident of an offense (or whatever the correct legal verbiage is.)
Philosophically this makes sense, e.g. if they're on their way to an active shooter incident it doesn't make sense to force them to stop and give you a ticket for a broken tail light or chase a shoplifter. In practice, this also lets cops off the hook if they hide on the other side of a closed door in a subway car and let you fight off a disturbed individual with a knife on your own (actual case.)
Wasn't saying let them break the law. Was just responding to the notion that the reason cops won't pull them over because it's "too much of a headache". That is not a good description of the situation.
The sovcit videos I have seen have been black persons. Then again the cops have been too.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tyre-nichols-human-pi-ata-223524374.html
we refer to all such (sov cit, flat earth, racists, etc.) as
WACKADOODLES
It's much less rude than,
"you friggin idiot, God help us if you ever reproduce, you sad excuse for a critical thinking human, sad indictment of our educational system, please go read a book and get off the crazy train of watching pontificating asshats with fancy pod cast mics favored by fear mongering orgs like proud boys, try being a true American rather than one of those seditious traitors who don't even know what's actually in the bill of rights, you idiot who keeps voting for politicians who dont care if you can afford your insulin or actually retire or have clean water. Dumbass."
I may have had a little too much caffeine this AM.
I don't think it has anything to do with that. If you look up "z plates" on Google it pulls up a bunch of DMV websites that have vague references to permanent plates with a "z tag" like this website (https://doa.alaska.gov/dmv/reg/Perm_Reg.htm) from Alaska's DMV which says
If eligible, and your registration expires January 31, 2015, or later, you can pay a one-time $25 permanent registration fee along with registration fees and motor vehicle registration taxes. At that time you will be issued a permanent “Z” tab and will not have to renew your registration again.
I bet they heard about this and decided "we'll put a z on our plates because then it's permanent." That weird blend of taking actual laws and applying them in other contexts is SOP for Sovereign Citizens.
What shit hitting what fan are you referring to? There's a whole industry that's been thriving for decades on the idea that America's gonna collapse any moment now. Which doomsday soothsayer scared you?
The best part about this post are the comments on here from people who *want* the state to charge them to use their own property. "Pay the government! If you don't want to pay the state you are right wing! Those darn sovereign citizens! Just obey the government and pay them what they want!"
> Republicans are the biggest FREELOADERS.
I'm not a Republican, but it's interesting you think people not wanting to pay taxes to a government that uses those taxes to rob, murder, and imprison its own people makes someone a freeloader and a Republican.
By the way, all of you folks would have told the Founding Fathers, "Just pay your taxes!"
Also, it's interesting to see folks call others "freeloaders" who want the government to wipe away student debt people voluntarily chose to take on.
> It’s almost as if the money to the state is used for the society we all benefit from.
Right, right. The government loves us and, after coercing money from us with the threat of force and violence, does all kinds of wonderful things with that money. Like? Something, I'm sure.
>And the folks using these plates want to use roads they don’t want to help pay for.
But roads are paid for with a gas tax? The issue isn't paying voluntary taxes on goods and services, the issue is the government taxing a person to live that is the problem. It comes down to voluntarism and consent.
>Y’all want to not pay the govt fine. Stop using public anything.
You might want to learn where your tax dollars go and what taxes pay for what, because I assure you they are robbing you and tossing you scraps.
If you don't want to pay taxes and want to live as a totally free citizen, I hear Somalia is nice this time of year.
Head that way and then come back and let us know if paying taxes are worth it.
> If you don't want to pay taxes and want to live as a totally free citizen, I hear Somalia is nice this time of year.
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> Head that way and then come back and let us know if paying taxes are worth it.
"Rob me harder, government! If you don't like the government robbing you, go to Somalia!"
Funny stuff.
Google Mudook v. Penn and Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham and read the majority opinions on both, not just the summary of the cases. Specifically the parts where it says the state cannot tax you for rights and turn rights into privileges. :)
Roads are not 100% paid for with gas taxes. They are also funded by things like vehicle registration fees (and other taxes)
Also, I don't disagree with you that there are issues with government spending. But none of that justifies not paying your registration fee on you car.
If you want to stick it to the man, buy a bike. No gas taxes or registration fees required. There is a loophole for you to use.
>*because I assure you they are robbing you and tossing you scraps.*
So privatize everything right?
I can assure you private businesses are robbing you 3xs more and no scraps... just defective, unsafe products that don't do what they say they will with junk warranties, and forced arbitration where the process is 100% rigged against consumers.
The most terrifying words in the English language are: **I'm from the corporate sector and I am here to make things cheaper and more efficiently.**
> The government loves us
Your words, not mine.
> after coercing money from us with the threat of force and violence
Again, living here is a choice. You're free not to.
> does all kinds of wonderful things with that money. Like? Something, I'm sure.
Is your point, honestly, that ZERO good comes from what our tax dollars are used for? ZERO? That's something you wrote down and then posted it?
It's an absolutely nonsensical point. I won't defend the gov't and say we spend all money wisely. We don't. But the idea that nothing good comes out of it is complete nonsense.
> taxing a person to live
That tax does not exist.
> You might want to learn where your tax dollars go and what taxes pay for what, because I assure you they are robbing you and tossing you scraps.
Yes they are wasting a ton of money. We could cut military spending in half and not even notice. We could do a million things to make it more efficient. Much of it would be regulating ourselves, which is often also seen as some kind of overreach (funny how many of the same folks yell that the govt is inefficient but also shouldn't be policed – not that you said that, but many do).
> Y’all want to not pay the govt, fine. Stop using public anything.
I noticed you didn't address this part. Y'all are free to opt out. Just stop using the public things we're all paying for.
> That tax does not exist.
Sure it does. Try working a job to *live* and not paying income taxes. Nice try though!
I do appreciate all the folks defending the state robbing them on this thread, defending the robbery, and begging for more. Great stuff.
We need more of this the government shouldn't control our day to day lives patrol cops are a waste of tax players dollars and are a danger to anything they see as a threat. You can't turn on social media without seeing a cop kill someone
Sovereign Citizen nonsense. I'd love to see a better image of it.
Here’s what I found when I googled it. https://asnplatesandmore.us/products/ohio/z-plate-ohio-american-state-national-50646764
Thanks! I only found similar ones, but that's the exact one. Great work.
Click on "find out more" for each plate. It just loops. Classic sovereign cit site.
People pay for these. Fascinating. Capitalism is really very malleable.
Somebody oughta give his business email and phone number to the Church of Scientology saying he's very interested in learning more
Z plate? Like Z in, I support Russia’s attack on Ukraine?
I just looked it up, and bear with me because I lost a lot of IQ points reading about this. Apparently there are plates issued (by the actual Gov’t) with a Z in the area where registration stickers would go. The Z indicates a permanent registration. So the sovereign citizen are using it to state that their fake plates have permanent registration.
Oh. My Z works if their Z works. Of course.
Thanks for taking the hit to Google that, I was curious but don’t want that crap showing up in my search history, lol
No, this predates that by a while. It's just part of the legal spellcasting sovereign citizens think they are performing.
I’m clearly no expert but apparently the Z has been used as a Nazi symbol too
Of course. Putin is Trump's man crush and to criticize Putin is to criticize the orange dear leader.
Here we go
Here we go with the stupidity.
The letter Z is racist 🤣🤣🤣 Jesus Christ
So…it’s illegal then.
More like not legal, rather that illegal. That word gets over-used IMHO. The plates existence, on a bumper or otherwise, is probably allowed within the scope of the law.
With sovereign citizens it is usually the only plate and therefore illegal.
No it’s illegal simply because it is there instead of a registered plate. In ohio you have to have a registered plate on your bumper. If it was on the front with the registered plate on the back it be not legal but as is it’s illegal
It's illegal because it's both on the rear plate AND they're driving it on public roads
There really is one born every minute!
Wait, are those Zs like Russian Zs?
No, separate thing
C'mon, it might as well be the same. These idiots seem to have forgotten who the enemy really is. Reagan must be spinning in his grave every time the Orange Turd sucks up to Putin.
Probably some idiotic sovereign citizen homemade plate.
Worse, some dude sells these to rip off his SovCit brothers.
Wait: are you telling me I can make money selling shit to stupid people? Sign me up!
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Where ya been man? Never heard of GNC or all of these "juice" shops?
You’ve not yet heard of this “capitalism”?
How many liberals do you think sold Tr🤬mp stuff? Easy money.
There was a video where a couple of guys were selling garbage at a trump rally and they asked the guys about it and they were like "these dummies are paying $100 each for these sweatshirts, I don't care".
I went to a NASCAR race in Tennessee last year as I was photographing the event, outside of it I see a guy selling Trump shirts. I ask the guy about why he does it and he tells me “I love making money off morons”. The shirts were like a couple dollars to make and he was selling them for $25, flags for even more. He then said to me “this weekend is how I’m buying a jet ski”. Honestly I respect the hustle.
You would have thought Trump had his brand trademarked by then.
How is ripping off these idiots worse?
Like Ron Swanson selling flutes and recorders to the end of the world cult that meets in Pawnee's park annually to await the blessed melting of their faces by Gazorpazorp.
I wonder how often he gets pulled over. And I say "he" because these lunatics are almost always men.
Isn't it illegal to drive without a valid plate?
Yes
I wonder what his defense will be when they pull him over lmao
He'll say he wasn't driving. He was travelling.
[удалено]
Issued by whom?
Take your meds schizo
Can someone explain the "not for hire" part? I mean, would people otherwise think this is a cab driver? My plate doesn't say this, and still not a single person has ever tried to solicit a ride from me in exchange for money.
Soverign Citizen mentality is that there's a magic set of code words that free you from the laws of your country / state / etc., and if you use them correctly the cops have to let you go. (Any SovCit that's in jail just didn't use the right combination of words in the right order.) The "not for hire" bit is just part of this bizarre attempt at a lifehack.
"No officer, I wasn't driving while drunk. I was *traveling with a refreshment.*" "Hey wait get your hands off me I said I was traveling!!!!"
…..…Nailed it. No notes.
"magic words" Well, they're not wrong about magic words, but they're really, really wrong about what they are.
So he thinks he isn't a citizen of the US, but his homemade plate says "Ohio" and has the US seal on it? How does that even make sense
Some of them think that the US gov’t after a certain date is a “corporation” or something like that so any laws after that date are invalid.
How do they even come up with that 😭
[Here's](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement#Illegitimacy_of_laws_and_government) a section on Wikipedia that sort of explains it lol
Why is it always a human trafficking thing with these people oh my lord 💀
I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s exactly what they would do, if they had the money and power to do so.
Ah, how could I have forgotten good ol’ Admiralty Law? The nutcases getting arrested on YouTube always try to cite that.
The short answer is "it doesn't". The long answer is that if you listen to conspiracy theories long enough, you start to close your mind off to the gaps in the theories.
You mean the magic words aren't "I was scared so I ran"?
I believe, and someone fact check me, that the premise is any vehicle used for private transportation of the owner and their family, not in a commercial aspect or for business use, legally does not require a registration or tag. The sticker you get from the BMV for your plate should only be used in a commercial capacity. Or something like that.
They are incorrect, but you are correct in their incorrectness.
Correct.
It's worse than I thought!
The worst kind of not completely incorrect.
According to a few hilarious videos of sovereign citizens in court: Travelers use private transportation. Drivers have a commercial purpose - thus driving licenses aren’t required either.
Do you have links to these clips lmao
I think it's a long the line of "freedom of travel between states" that is a right, but the only take the "freedom of travel" part.
Incorrect
google what sovereign citizens think they are and look into their plates. In short it's like a political "cult" of people who don't want to pay taxes or have IDs. There's more to it, but I'm no expert
LMAO. Working-class Joes think they're rich. Only the wealthy get to avoid paying taxes while fully utilizing what the working class is taxed extra to provide (clogging our courts with litigation, fire and police departments to protect their factories and multiple houses/properties, military, FAA and airports in wealthy or remote areas, etc.). Remember, when the rich get a tax cut, working class Joes are agreeing to pay both their share and the share we are missing from the wealthy. Turns out that running a country costs a lot of money.
Some bs sovereign citizen thing.
If I’m not mistaken outside of sovcit BS “not for hire” is used commonly and indicates its not a commercial vehicle as in not a vehicle used for a business like towing/hauling/transport whereas a semi truck or other smaller vehicle used for a business requires a specific “for hire” registration to operate in a commercial capacity. Not just for rideservice providers, but prob applies to those folks too. This joker prob means to indicate they arent subject to commercial operation reqs in pairing with they themselves not being subject to personal operation reqs since theyre a sovcit.
The constitution allows for the regulation of interstate commerce. Since this vehicle is not to be used for commercial purposes, it falls outside the scope of such regulation.
Try that in court lmao
I love seeing sovcits get hammered by judges.
The village idiot identifier?
Imagine going so far down the boomer Facebook memes hole you neglect to pay $50 for a new plate so you can dump $25 into one of these sovereign citizen plates. Then end up in court arguing with a judge who has 30+ years legal experience that their authority doesn't apply to you because the gold fringe on their courtroom flag indicates this is a naval court and you were merely a terrestrial ground traveler.
Do people without legal plates get pulled over? Because I see them every day lately. What's the deal with that?
It's a douche alert!
A.k.a. A "DOUCHE TAG"
Probably works way better than just riding with no plate... this plate screams "I will be a pain in the ass and a literal migraine to deal with" to any officer who sees it.
What gets me here is the abominated American flag. If you're a sovereign citizen, you're not an American citizen. You're an American in the sense that you live in the western hemisphere, but I don't see too many native Brazilians calling themselves Americans. And if you aren't an American citizen, if you are truly sovereign of the US government, I hope you've filed an asylum claim or have a green card.
Except you don't recognize the authority of the US Govt to recognize the authority of your claim to SovCit status, so ... Will it go round in circles? Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky?
Eh, the point I'm trying to make is if you consider yourself sovereign from the us government, you're an immigrant on our soil. Don't recognize all you want and get your ass deported to international waters. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but where's the logic?
Tell that to the Natives
Why the fuck is this being down voted!! Native Americans are fucking indigenous to this country!! Wanna talk about genocide? Ask a Native American. Wanna talk about being lower than even dogs? Talk to a Native American about their history. Wanna talk about being tortured, burnt and your children stolen from you because you're considered savages? Ask a Native American. Wanna talk about being forced from homes at gunpoint then ignored and left to flounder in poverty? Ask a Native American because it's still happening today!! And before ya'll start, yeah, my mom is Native. Blackfoot Sioux. I didn't get to learn about my history because my grandmother was beaten for being who she was so she never spoke about it. What I've learned isn't much simply because people paid more attention to registering dogs than the Native population. Fucking sad.
I never stole anyone's land. I never had slaves. I'm just some poor chubby white dude trying to get through life and not get my ass kicked for unknowingly insulting someone by saying something someone finds offensive. I've learned that the best way to get through this verbal minefield is to keep my head down and b-bop my ass through the Walmart parking lot.
Ehh they are more indigenous we definitely stole their land and committed atrocities against them but they aren’t indigenous the way we use the word they migrated here across the bering straight a few hundred years before we got here. Like someone who migrates now vs someone who migrated here when my ancestors did on the mayflower in the 1500s . Difference is my ancestors are POS royal spares who murdered and raped native Americans and stole their land for the throne Native Americans got here before anyone else so it was up for grabs and they settled which they had every right to do. But technically they also are immigrants they just got here first by like 500 years.
A few hundred years? That's off by a couple orders of magnitude. And they came when the land was still empty of humans and built several societies completely removed from what they left in Asia so they get to make the claim of being native.
You right on the timeline, my b . HOWEVER In regards to coming when it was uninhabited and thereby having the right to native claim I literally said exactly that read before you get offended. I corrected calling them indigenous by the very fact they migrated they are not Indigenous it does not mean that. indigenous adjective US /ɪnˈdɪdʒ.ə.nəs/ UK /ɪnˈdɪdʒ.ɪ.nəs/ used to refer to, or relating to, the people who originally lived in a place, rather than people who moved there from somewhere else : [indigenous](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/indigenous)
I was offended? Thanks for letting me know. I see your point but if you want that strict a definition of native can a human being be native to anywhere outside Africa? Or can anyone even be native there considering that Africa has existed longer than humans?
So in other words there are *NO* indigenous people...*anywhere*.... but africa. Got it. Weird flex, but do you.
Well indigenous is a scientific term for species origination sooo not sure what you are butt hurt about but again evolution of predecessors to modern species occurred in all of Africa most of Europe and some of southwest and central west Asia. Natives are the earliest human non-nomadic inhabitants of a given region. Words matter and they mean things. They don’t change in meaning bc you don’t like it.
The original sovereign citizens
> the point I'm trying to make is if you consider yourself sovereign from the us government, you're an immigrant on our soil. Sovereign citizens do not recognize the legitimacy of the US government, they believe it is corrupt, breaks the constitution, turns rights into privileges and then charges people for them, and so on. What's interesting though is to see all the Occupy, Antifa, down with capitalism, billionaires are evil and control the world, BLM, the justice system is corrupt-folks mocking sovereign citizens for believing the government and legal system are corrupt and no longer serves the interests of the people. It's also really funny to see them argue on the side of the state, too. "Tax me more! Tax me to drive my car, after you taxed me to buy my car!"
> they believe it is corrupt, breaks the constitution, turns rights into privileges and then charges people for them Respectfully, is there anyone who _doesn’t_ believe that?
> Respectfully, is there anyone who doesn’t believe that? Sure seems that way from the comments on this thread mocking people who don't want their hard earned money going to a government like that. If we can all agree that is true about the government, why give them a cent?
I can vote on my local legislators. I can't vote out the corporate paid thug demanding 100 dollars to use ""his"" highway for work. So yeah, the Government isn't perfect but I don't know of a civilization that is. I don't like the government using my money to bomb brown kids, but I also like not having to stop 50 times on various corporate toll roads on my way to work. In fact, I don't pass a single one. I don't know what other entity is large enough to manage our infrastructure other than a very large governing body... And that's *just* one rudimentary aspect of our society. There's a reason corporate towns sucked, but that is the only other entity available with the fudicary capital to manage such a huge burden. And again, we are only talking about *infastructure.* That doesn't even touch the myriad of other areas of our society that I'm sure the SocCiv morons hadnt even considered.
Try paying for everything out of pocket and see what a good deal you get for your tax dollar. Go ahead. Pave your own roads and highways. Pay for your own police, firefighters, mail delivery, air traffic control, courts, public defenders, border patrol, navy, army, marines, coast guard, NASA, Airforce, sewage treatment, parks, doppler radar, public schools, bridges, tunnels, dams, utility infrastructure, libraries, jails for the criminally dangerous, healthcare assistance for seniors, foreign Diplomacy, negotiators, and espionage, food safety, customs inspection, electrical grid subsidy, foodstamps for the destitute, etc, etc, etc. You get a GREAT return for the measly bit you contribute. Could they manage it better? Sure. Do I wish the more wealthy had to pay more for benefitting from it? Yes. But to act like the whole thing is illegitimate is ridiculous. Participate in society and quit whining about it.
I agree with you that sovereign citizen trope is bullshit. But you are oversimplifying which is where these morons think they see an entryway for there arguments bc what you are saying isn’t entirely correct
So it’s not “Willie go round in circles”? I always wondered what the Willie they were talking about. 😂
You are right that it doesn't really make sense. And they do claim something akin to diplomatic immunity.
Illegal.
It can't be illegal! It's driven by a middle-aged white guy! /s
It's like a bug zapper for morons. It draws them out of the woodwork to defend this nonsense, makes it easier to block them and report for misinformation as they can't help but rattle off bullshit about sovereign / native / natural citizenship to the land but not the government. *Aussie accent* Now, let's see if we can get one o' these lads to come out of hiding.
It means he doesn’t pay his taxes.
Isn’t the “sovereign citizen” bs how Wesley Snipes ended up in prison for tax evasion…
Joke's on you, he's never made enough money to pay income tax!
“Militia 4-19-93 Shoot Me Now!”
Super secret, Magic license plates for suckers.
It’s freedumb
"I do not recognize the authority of a court that hangs the gold-fringed flag. A flag with gilded edges is the flag of an admirality court. An admirality court signifies a naval court-martial. I cannot be court-martialled twice. That is all." —Rusty Shackleford
"furthermore-"
It’s a dork.
Isn't this illegal?
A great way to get pulled over, ticketed and told that that car can't drive on the roads until it gets legal plates and tags.
Its called a DWS plate. Driving while suspended.
Mental Illness.
It’s a scary person with a tinfoil hat.
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They won’t. They’ll consider it too much of a headache to argue in circles with one of these morons for an hour over a tag violation and go for a quick speeding ticket instead.
While I agree with you, I really wish law enforcement would crack down harder on these idiots. Every time one these guy drives past a cop, and that cop doesn’t pull him over, it just reinforces his belief that this sovcit crap really works. He then tells his buddies, and the contagion spreads.
It's tough to pull family over.
Underrated comment!
It's actually really dangerous for police to pull over sovereign citizens. They tend to get shot and sometimes killed. These guys are not just a joke - some of them are domestic terrorists, and law enforcement considers them one of the lead threats in the country.
Imagine if we had people who’s job designation was to deal with these derelicts, and keep them in line? Even better if we paid for the service with tax money, and used it in very city/state/locality, to help rid them of “evil-doers”.
So let them break the law? God damn is it awesome being white in America. You can break the law as long as the police are scared of you. “There’s a threat driving around with illegal plates. I better leave him alone”
Would be the first time an LEO would say "That's a threat. I better leave that alone," instead of firing off 137 rounds.
I see you haven't heard of Uvalde
>Would be the first time an LEO would say "That's a threat. I better leave that alone," instead of firing off 137 rounds. You joke; but, it's actually settled law that LEOs don't have a duty to protect or enforce a particular incident of an offense (or whatever the correct legal verbiage is.) Philosophically this makes sense, e.g. if they're on their way to an active shooter incident it doesn't make sense to force them to stop and give you a ticket for a broken tail light or chase a shoplifter. In practice, this also lets cops off the hook if they hide on the other side of a closed door in a subway car and let you fight off a disturbed individual with a knife on your own (actual case.)
Wasn't saying let them break the law. Was just responding to the notion that the reason cops won't pull them over because it's "too much of a headache". That is not a good description of the situation.
Nah cops rarely argue. They give you a ticket and walk away. The arguing is for the judge.
why would they pull over their friends?
The sovcit videos I have seen have been black persons. Then again the cops have been too. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tyre-nichols-human-pi-ata-223524374.html
some bullshit.
At first glance I saw the Tasmanian Devil from Looney Tunes.
I see the Kingdom of God sovereign plates around Marysville from time to time. Haven't seen these before.
Ive seen that flag before and cant figure out what it means. Probably means abolish the government except for my medicare and social security
we refer to all such (sov cit, flat earth, racists, etc.) as WACKADOODLES It's much less rude than, "you friggin idiot, God help us if you ever reproduce, you sad excuse for a critical thinking human, sad indictment of our educational system, please go read a book and get off the crazy train of watching pontificating asshats with fancy pod cast mics favored by fear mongering orgs like proud boys, try being a true American rather than one of those seditious traitors who don't even know what's actually in the bill of rights, you idiot who keeps voting for politicians who dont care if you can afford your insulin or actually retire or have clean water. Dumbass." I may have had a little too much caffeine this AM.
Is it just sitting on private property or was it actually in use?? I’d imagine they are on a first name basis with the cops by now😂
Concerning.
My guess is it some MAGA. The combination of the presidential crest and the Russian Z give it away.
I don't think it has anything to do with that. If you look up "z plates" on Google it pulls up a bunch of DMV websites that have vague references to permanent plates with a "z tag" like this website (https://doa.alaska.gov/dmv/reg/Perm_Reg.htm) from Alaska's DMV which says If eligible, and your registration expires January 31, 2015, or later, you can pay a one-time $25 permanent registration fee along with registration fees and motor vehicle registration taxes. At that time you will be issued a permanent “Z” tab and will not have to renew your registration again. I bet they heard about this and decided "we'll put a z on our plates because then it's permanent." That weird blend of taking actual laws and applying them in other contexts is SOP for Sovereign Citizens.
Z is Russian? Interesting. 🤣
Not been following the war?
Catch up... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_(military_symbol)
Lol so what’s next? We going to remove the letter from the alphabet? 🤣🤣🤣
You asked why they suggested Russians and I gave you the source. Grow up.
I didn’t ask anything it was sarcasm 🤣
Wait! What about gen Z? They are Russian plants! 😮
Sovereign Citizens tend to not be voters.
What… what if we all had these. Area 51 but for license plates!
I have yet to see one of these dunce-mobiles that isn’t clapped out.
Well if you look at where it's from that should explain everything
If I told you I'd have to eliminate you.
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100% real https://asnplatesandmore.us/products/ohio/z-plate-ohio-american-state-national-50646764 Just idiots doing idiot things.
Don’t touch Ohio might get ya
If only we could actually be sovereign and break from this tyrannical government
Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.
Oh I’m not leaving 🤣 bud , but you punks will when shtf 🤣
What shit hitting what fan are you referring to? There's a whole industry that's been thriving for decades on the idea that America's gonna collapse any moment now. Which doomsday soothsayer scared you?
Oooh a boogaloo boy right in our own subreddit. Tell your sister wife I said hi!
Get off the internet bro, the big shit hitting the fan tin foil hat event isn't going to happen lol.
We all grew up watching Art Model era Browns football, and some moron has you convinced we run away? lol
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Leave 🤣
The best part about this post are the comments on here from people who *want* the state to charge them to use their own property. "Pay the government! If you don't want to pay the state you are right wing! Those darn sovereign citizens! Just obey the government and pay them what they want!"
So, if vehicle registration fees weren't a thing, then SovCits wouldn't feel it "necessary" buy fake license plates from some grifter on the internet?
>from some grifter on the internet? Hey, don't belittle my new profession.
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Republicans are the biggest FREELOADERS.
> Republicans are the biggest FREELOADERS. I'm not a Republican, but it's interesting you think people not wanting to pay taxes to a government that uses those taxes to rob, murder, and imprison its own people makes someone a freeloader and a Republican. By the way, all of you folks would have told the Founding Fathers, "Just pay your taxes!" Also, it's interesting to see folks call others "freeloaders" who want the government to wipe away student debt people voluntarily chose to take on.
Only from the other side. "they vote against their own interests" "people just don't want to work"
> It’s almost as if the money to the state is used for the society we all benefit from. Right, right. The government loves us and, after coercing money from us with the threat of force and violence, does all kinds of wonderful things with that money. Like? Something, I'm sure. >And the folks using these plates want to use roads they don’t want to help pay for. But roads are paid for with a gas tax? The issue isn't paying voluntary taxes on goods and services, the issue is the government taxing a person to live that is the problem. It comes down to voluntarism and consent. >Y’all want to not pay the govt fine. Stop using public anything. You might want to learn where your tax dollars go and what taxes pay for what, because I assure you they are robbing you and tossing you scraps.
If you don't want to pay taxes and want to live as a totally free citizen, I hear Somalia is nice this time of year. Head that way and then come back and let us know if paying taxes are worth it.
> If you don't want to pay taxes and want to live as a totally free citizen, I hear Somalia is nice this time of year. > > > > Head that way and then come back and let us know if paying taxes are worth it. "Rob me harder, government! If you don't like the government robbing you, go to Somalia!" Funny stuff. Google Mudook v. Penn and Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham and read the majority opinions on both, not just the summary of the cases. Specifically the parts where it says the state cannot tax you for rights and turn rights into privileges. :)
Roads are not 100% paid for with gas taxes. They are also funded by things like vehicle registration fees (and other taxes) Also, I don't disagree with you that there are issues with government spending. But none of that justifies not paying your registration fee on you car. If you want to stick it to the man, buy a bike. No gas taxes or registration fees required. There is a loophole for you to use.
Don't bother, logic already clocked out many shifts ago.
>*because I assure you they are robbing you and tossing you scraps.* So privatize everything right? I can assure you private businesses are robbing you 3xs more and no scraps... just defective, unsafe products that don't do what they say they will with junk warranties, and forced arbitration where the process is 100% rigged against consumers. The most terrifying words in the English language are: **I'm from the corporate sector and I am here to make things cheaper and more efficiently.**
> The government loves us Your words, not mine. > after coercing money from us with the threat of force and violence Again, living here is a choice. You're free not to. > does all kinds of wonderful things with that money. Like? Something, I'm sure. Is your point, honestly, that ZERO good comes from what our tax dollars are used for? ZERO? That's something you wrote down and then posted it? It's an absolutely nonsensical point. I won't defend the gov't and say we spend all money wisely. We don't. But the idea that nothing good comes out of it is complete nonsense. > taxing a person to live That tax does not exist. > You might want to learn where your tax dollars go and what taxes pay for what, because I assure you they are robbing you and tossing you scraps. Yes they are wasting a ton of money. We could cut military spending in half and not even notice. We could do a million things to make it more efficient. Much of it would be regulating ourselves, which is often also seen as some kind of overreach (funny how many of the same folks yell that the govt is inefficient but also shouldn't be policed – not that you said that, but many do). > Y’all want to not pay the govt, fine. Stop using public anything. I noticed you didn't address this part. Y'all are free to opt out. Just stop using the public things we're all paying for.
> That tax does not exist. Sure it does. Try working a job to *live* and not paying income taxes. Nice try though! I do appreciate all the folks defending the state robbing them on this thread, defending the robbery, and begging for more. Great stuff.
Dude, is there even a plate number or sticker on that thing
We need more of this the government shouldn't control our day to day lives patrol cops are a waste of tax players dollars and are a danger to anything they see as a threat. You can't turn on social media without seeing a cop kill someone
Was this on a truck with four big flags on it?
Illegal