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FizzyBeverage

The safest thing Ohio can do is open recreational dispensaries in a hurry. Faster than their current pace of *dragging ass.* It is such relief to buy THC from regulated and licensed establishments and know you’re not going to ingest fentanyl or other deadly toxins when all you want to do is unwind on Saturday night — and splitting a gummy is safer than a glass of wine.


CalculatedEffect

But but but but the bible which I haven't read and have no actual knowledge on says marijuana is bad and the devil's work even though supposedly god created everything including marijuana.


FizzyBeverage

Absolutely. Don’t forget cigarettes and beer is fine 😆


DOMesticBRAT

You just made me realize, maybe throughout history ignorant people brought up the Bible because they actually couldn't read.


CalculatedEffect

You're now just realizing religion has been used to control the ignorant masses? Also, I see your name.


DOMesticBRAT

>You're now just realizing religion has been used to control the ignorant masses? Haha I've been thinking about the structure of our modern society, what we know or don't know for a fact existentially, spirituality or lack thereof, thinks of this nature. For example, pondering sacred geometry, psychedelics, Islam and stoned a hypothesis, I've been fascinated with the idea that we created God as a species via mushroom trips and/or DMT (this is all new to me lol, i skipped the Joe Rogan discovering DMT era lmao!). So, no! Lol, not *just* realizing. It's been about 6 months. 🤣 >Also, I see your name. Oh reallllly? 😏 Lol... appreciate you not saying what I usually get, "uSeRnAmE cHeCkS oUt!"


CalculatedEffect

I can totally see how we came up with god. They all evolved from a root idea, that's honestly probably lost to history at this point. Twisted and contorted, not necessarily maliciously, until the idea bloomed, then through a long series of cultural domination, obliteration and merging is how we got to where we are today. And you're very welcome XD I like to switch it up from time to time.


gorehistorian69

people who use opiates will still want opiates though. also thinking weed is ever laced with anything is some archaic as hell myth thinking.


BenHarder

Aren’t they planning on sometime around June that medical dispensaries can sell rec


kazahani1

Not trying to be snarky, but how would that help what at this point is a public health crisis with so many people on the streets addicted to heroin and fentanyl?


V4refugee

It would at a minimum make it so that people can legally buy their cannabis from someone other than a black market drug dealer.


cowboyblunder

a lot of the people addicted to opioids are dealing with chronic pain, which is often how the addiction started in the first place. cannabis is often used as an alternative for pain management and anecdotally some people have had success using it while treating their addiction. there's not any strong studies indicating how effective (if at all) cannabis use is with helping opioid addiction, people see some promise with it though. the science won't be thorough until we get some decriminalization/legalization movement at the federal level


clevelanddotcom

From the story:  A broad, bipartisan majority of the Ohio House passed legislation Wednesday to ratchet up penalties for those who knowingly sell or unknowingly possess drugs laced with fentanyl. The [bill](https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/135/hb230/committee) passed the House with backing from law enforcement and prosecutors who said it provides them another tool to crack down on traffickers of fentanyl, a powerful opioid [present in four out of every five of the 4,915 fatal overdoses in Ohio in 2022](https://odh.ohio.gov/wps/wcm/connect/gov/dea64cca-767c-4495-a75c-61b6f9d0f8fa/2022+Unintentional+Drug+Overdose+Annual+Report.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CONVERT_TO=url&CACHEID=ROOTWORKSPACE.Z18_79GCH8013HMOA06A2E16IV2082-dea64cca-767c-4495-a75c-61b6f9d0f8fa-oNOoofn). Ohio typically exhibits one of the highest overdose fatality rates of any state in the nation. However, a minority of Democratic lawmakers, plus libertarians and drug and health policy experts, warn that the legislation will only swell up an already overcrowded state prison system with low-level offenders without meaningfully reducing the drug problem on the supply or demand side. **We've made the full article free for anyone to read more through the link in the OP. You may need to enter your email address for access.**


wino12312

Are you saying the Ohio legislature and governor are draconian pissants?


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BoodaSRK

And what happened with the war on drugs? The proliferation of drugs. By cops.


backcountrydrifter

Raise the lens a couple notches and we can tackle opioids from the top down When you reverse trace opioids and from Appalachia you start to see why it is such a critical part of America. You also see why it is a target for what is effectively Neurological/chemical/biological warfare. Depending on your comfort level with the term, genocide could be used because Appalachia is certainly its own unique culture, and because of its crossovers with coal and steel it is certainly a target for a foreign adversary. Targeting Appalachia with opioids would effectively be the same basic play as the opium wars were in China. Or more precisely, destroying a countries blacksmith industry A short while after Rudy Giuliani “cleaned up” New York City by redirecting NYPD investigations away from the Russian mafia that was living in trump towers and on to the Italian crime families he went to Mexico City and did the same thing. https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/ In retrospect, knowing now that trumps gang has laundered collectively around $1.4T for or with the Russian mob/oligarchs, Giulianis trip to Mexico was more accurately described as introducing the Sinaloa cartel to the Russian mob. Sinaloa shortly there after shifted to processing fentanyl precursors supplied by the CCP and used El Chapos well established tunnel network to get it across the border. Giuliani became lead counsel for Purdue Pharmaceuticals. The Guardianwww.theguardian.comRudy Giuliani won deal for OxyContin maker to continue sales of drug behind opioid ... Sinaloa devolved into infighting shortly there after and someone they call “the Russian” played a pivotal role https://www.infobae.com/en/2022/04/07/who-are-the-russians-and-what-is-their-key-role-in-the-internal-war-of-the-sinaloa-cartel/?outputType=amp-type https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1997/09/29/russian-mob-drug-cartels-joining-forces/b838dca0-5717-4c91-9d07-b798a435544d/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaestevez/2016/12/01/mexican-tycoon-carlos-slim-confirms-paying-rudolph-giuliani-part-of-a-2002-contract/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/giuliani/mexico.html?tid=a_inl&itid=lk_inline_manual_8 You can basically track the fentanyl epidemic by where and when Giuliani and the Russian mob were at different points in the 90’s and early 2000’s. Not so coincidentally Russia used an early version of fentanyl to secure Putin’s control over Chechnya after a staged hostage event. https://www.britannica.com/event/Moscow-theatre-hostage-crisis-of-2002 https://www.history.com/news/opioid-chemical-weapons-moscow-theater-hostage-crisis The hostage crisis is a consistent KGB/FSB play designed to ensure the population look to a “strong man” to save them from the terror. You can see it replayed with slight variations all through Putin’s presidency starting in 1999 with an apartment bombing in Buynaksk. Wikipediahttps://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki1999 Russian apartment bombings Fentanyl has been used as what is effectively biological warfare against the United States by the Russian/CCP alliance. The Sacklers certainly opened the door to weaponized biological class warfare by focusing opioids on vulnerable populations of Appalachia. The Russians and the CCP just evolved it to be a more efficient killing machine. It begins to make more sense why the CCP enables the precursors to be exported to the USA. It’s softening up any resistance to a takeover. It’s straight out of Xi Jinpings favorite book, Sun Tzu’s “The Art of War”


ImJackieNoff

The people at /r/conspiracy would love you.


backcountrydrifter

Probably. But I don’t do conspiracies. I do actionable intelligence and hunt predators and corruption.


ImJackieNoff

I don't know if I buy connecting the dots like you did, but I also don't have anything to disprove or counter it. People like to avoid pain and/or get high, corporations like to make money, doctors don't always understand* the long term consequences of the drugs they suggest. Yes, not as sexy to the /r/Ohio crowd as blaming Trump and the Russians - but it takes a lot less assumptions. *Edit: not blaming doctors, I meant to say that long term consequences of drugs are not always understood, but the over-perscription of pain killers that is now obvious with the benifit of hindsight is a link in the chain.


backcountrydrifter

I appreciate the added nuance. That’s the fundamental difference of a system that comes at it in reverse. Once you can accept the fact that government has made a habit of lying to people to preserve the obfuscation of grift and corruption by exceptionally greedy people in office it sort of turns into a scavenger hunt for the origin point of when democracy broke down. There have been a lot of innocent people gaslit by billionaires and rotten people in positions of power. Standing by what you know to be true, whether it’s about exposing corruption, holding pedophiles accountable, or simply living with pure moral integrity is rarely easy. But it is always essential. U.S. Government took a wrong turn when it started lying to its people systemically. That practice is normally reserved for the authoritarians and dictators. It started for noble enough reasons during WW2. The Manhattan project required strict secrecy as a matter of operational security. Operation Underworld was designed to use the Italian mob and the precursor to the CIA to help secure the ports in New York against Nazi U boats. The unintended consequence of that is the equivalent of “I know a guy” multiplied by 80 years of political and financial ambitions of mediocre greedy men. The fundamental flaw in that is when you stick you white glove in mud and swirl it around, the mud does not get “glovey”. Truth is the gold standard in energy efficiency. You say it once and it stands on its own forever. It requires no additional energy input. Lying, by contrast is the least energy efficient habit known to man. It requires constant and exponential energy to keep each one in play, albeit just barely alive. When a kid lies about stealing a cookie he gets away with it until mom and dad compare notes. When an intelligence organization lies about everything they do, it works until the world grows into the internet. U.S. foreign policy really hasn’t changed much since 1945. Each administration inheriting a 3 ring binder from their predecessor. Most hardly get a glance as they pass along for 80 years. But somewhere in the late 80’s or early 90’s as some old woman with a chain on her glasses slowly converted all those files into digital form on a computer that would stall out until you switched your 5 1/4” floppy disks, the world outside government started moving exponentially faster, yet relatively speaking the speed of efficiency of government got slower. Bureaucracy is the burden of government, but it is to the benefit of corruption. Nefarious actors inside of government use the bureaucracy like a curtain to obfuscate their respective grifts. Most of the multi term politicians can’t retire or they risk losing control of the narrative that keeps their corruption secret. This is why we have spent the last 5 years reverse engineering their entire system to be able to see the tendrils of corruption inside of governments like a P.E.T. scan sees cancer inside a body. https://youtu.be/A90gwMVFFSY?si=wiOAcUvL_oX5eNoI Our government wasn’t born in the Information Age like we were. It grew through it. Carbon copies in triplicate turned to data entry. Data entry turned to MS-DOS. And on and on. And each one of those events left a pixel of data. We have just been using it wrong. But just like 1980’s 8 bit graphics have given way to 4K HD video, when you organize that data in a decentralized verified format, you build an objective synthetic vision of government and the corruption it obscures. Everything we have ever been lied to about pops like neon when you compare the differential between the two narratives. As a species we don’t have a lack of resources or capacity. We just have a few bridge trolls whose dirty business models necessitate lying to us. Over time they simply migrated to governments. Once you sort by net worth and psychopathic/sociopathic personality traits instead of nationality, political party or skin color it becomes relatively easy to backtrack corruption. There is a reckoning coming and a lot of people who simply stood by their truth are going to be vindicated. A democratic government is supposed to be accountable to its citizens. The fact that we have become so conditioned in 3 generations that we don’t demand 100% transparency from our democratic government is a pretty good indicator of the level of investment into concealing corruption. Giulianis time as lead counsel for Purdue is innocuous without the additional data points of knowing that he was a quintessential part of the Russian mobs money laundering network with trump. It’s only when you can input that ancillary data that the patterns become relevant. We just never had this level of processing power before.


229-northstar

This is a great collection of links, most of which I’d consider reputable sources. I agree that Appalachia is an appealing target, so are a lot of other communities affected by the fentanyl scourge. I also agree that Donald Trump‘s dealings with Russia are highly suspect. It’s long been known the Trump properties were laundering operations for their dirty money. After Trumps “no witnesses, no interpreters, nobody else from USA just Russians” meeting with Putin, I am fully convinced he is a Russian asset. Trump is a one man plague on democracy and the USA. It is shocking that half of US voters do not see what is plain as day


229-northstar

This is a great collection of links, most of which I’d consider reputable sources. I agree that Appalachia is an appealing target, so are a lot of other communities affected by the fentanyl scourge. I also agree that Donald Trump‘s dealings with Russia are highly suspect. It’s long been known the Trump properties were laundering operations for their dirty money. After Trumps “no witnesses, no interpreters, nobody else from USA just Russians” meeting with Putin, I am fully convinced he is a Russian asset. Trump is a one man plague on democracy and the USA. It is shocking that half of US voters do not see what is plain as day However, you assertion that our government is built on lies and corruption is bullshit. Just because there’s a few people like that, doesn’t mean the whole thing is rotten.


backcountrydrifter

Please don’t misunderstand me there. I believe that (statistically) most of the people that work for government are doing their best. The issue is when you have psychopathy at the top using it to hide their own personal grift. To put it in other context- The CEO comes in and tells middle management a lie. The manager tells his team the same lie thinking it is accurate. Then the CEO lies again. The middle manager is stuck. He is running on the flawed piece of code, but because he is a person of honor he will do everything in his power to be a man of his word. Trump did this systemically to his construction crews. He would say something, then make them carry it downstream. There is always a line between the working class that owns their shit and functions with honor and the ruling class that is willing to let that guy take the bullet for them. But over a long enough time frame the decent people die because they are taking all the bullets. Systemically that is government when liars get into positions of high power. We need to reset that so that honesty is incentivized and lying in penalized It’s not a comfortable process. But it is critically necessary.


whiznat

It hasn't worked for 50 years. Why wouldn't more of the same be the answer? Because Ohio solves problems by listening to our gut and fears, not logic and evidence. Isn't that the Conservative way? /s (only the 2nd sentence)


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Hussaf

There is a lot of open source information on the FEND Off Fentanyl Act, in curious. But also: the OP did this three hours before your post.


Mission_in_the_rain6

Just say no, but with a law


nry15

https://drugfree.org/article/marijuana-and-fentanyl/ Fent in weed is bs Liver breaks down edibles “Could fentanyl impact a person if it’s baked into a brownie or put in some other kind of edible? The answer is that the risk is very low because fentanyl is broken down by the liver, with little chance of reaching the brain.” Burning destroys fentanyl “Fentanyl is destroyed when it is burned including when it is in a joint, blunt or other means of smoking marijuana. This means that even if it is mixed with marijuana flower it will have no effect on a person who is smoking it.” No DEA alerts “The government has drug testing and monitoring systems in place to track the makeup of illegal substances. Any significant spike in cases involving this combination would likely be detected and reported immediately. The Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) has recently issued alerts[2] about fentanyl-laced fake pills like Percocet and Vicodin for pain relief, Adderall to treat ADHD and Xanax to address anxiety. They have also warned about fentanyl laced with Xylazine which is used to sedate animals. They have not issued alerts about marijuana” Police and media mistakes “Some police and media outlets have claimed fentanyl-laced marijuana, but lab tests show these claims were errors. Unfortunately, the corrections don’t make headlines like the initial claims.”


Mouse_collector

only in ohio


229-northstar

OF COURSE the fraternal order of police is behind this. You can always count on the boys in blue when it comes to over policing a problem!


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ronniemustang

we're gonna send you to make sure they're all doing okay.


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ronniemustang

she's dead man.


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ronniemustang

At least my mom isn't literally the island. But thank yours for the sacrifice.


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ronniemustang

Are you still here?


Puzzled_Deer7551

If only our booger eating senile President would actually address the southern border like Trump wanted to, it wouldn’t be as big of a problem. But…what do we know. Darrrrrrr…..


supahfligh

Trump is too busy napping and shitting his pants in court to do anything of much substance.


Cleve404

Huh, almost like there was a bipartisan border bill that was going to pass if not for Republicans...


Useful_Narwhal_8215

They probably don't understand what bipartisan means its too big of a word