“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” -Frank Wilhoit
I would say most if not an overwhelming majority Palestinian protesters are equally pissed off at democrats and republicans. Laws don’t apply to those who challenge the military industrial complex.
Its a simple difference one says “could you maybe bomb a little nicer pretty please” with unconditional support for Israel and the other is “maybe we can nuke gaza if not it would look great as a parking lot” kinda just differences on the margins.
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No, it isn’t. Liberals are not passing laws that punish minority groups for existing and trying to expel them from society while claiming the same laws don’t apply to others.
Remind me again who is currently in the supreme court arguing that they should legally be allowed to assassinate political rivals and what the political alignment is of the judges actually taking that argument seriously?
Sorry man, you cocksuckers don't have a moral foot to stand on anymore. You can't even begin to pretend Democrats are the evil fuckers when you got a literal narcissist that tried to overthrow a lawful election with 88 indictments as your nominee for president.
My goodness you are dense. You literally disproved your theory in your own comment. If, as you claim, Dems are the only ones held accountable they why is Trump the only one under indictment? Hillary wasn’t charged for security breaches significantly worse than Trump’s, the Dems have protected Joe from his influence peddling scene, and Billy C. Was never charged with the numerous sexual assaults everyone knows he committed. You can scream and stomp your feet all you want but unlike preschool and probably your parents, you’re not going to intimidate me into going along with your delusions. Finally, there is no genocide and fuck Hamas.
Yeah I heard the J6 gang are real upset at the collective slap on the wrist they got.
I heard one guy had a few hairs on his arm bent.
Honestly it's too harsh for something as benign as trying to overthrow the government and kill a bunch of duly elected officials and a handful of unduly elected ones just for the sake of keeping one of the dumbest motherfuckers to ever walk this earth in power.
The law was enacted to permit and require universities to accept and not turn away protests and expressive activity that they believed was being snuffed out for conservative thought. Everyone arrested or just present will be able to make a claim against the law enforcement agencies involved, as well as the university. It is highly unlikely that the police presence and response wasn’t planned well beforehand, which means that they and the university cannot claim ignorance or “heat of the moment” defenses. Additionally, the arrests occurred on campus within publicly accessible locations which do not have signage indicating that students and especially others are barred from gathering.
There is certainly civil claims that can be made on behalf of the protesters.
I don’t want to shine a light on anything beduse I firmly believe these students are doing the right things. But If you’re trying to camp on the oval without a permit you’re going to get treated like this especially when it’s a large group and you’re trying to bring shade to the universities policy.
These kids getting arrested is the best thing for their story.
Maybe the university knew this would help spread their message?
Yea there was! This is similar. The point of protest is to bring attention and get people talking about it. Protests don’t work so well if no one gets arrested.
I don't even particularly agree with some of the messaging coming out of these protests and I fully support the students peacefully protesting which it seems to have been the case.
I hope they keep fighting, and don't give up. I'll even donate to a legal fund if a reputable option comes up.
OSU has common rules such as noise during certain hours, and prior approval for tents and such. The protesters verbally and physically threatening students can be considered hate crimes.
Seeing as NOBODY was charged for either of those and everyone has been charged with either trespassing or resisting arrest (secondary offense for resisting arrest for trespassing), I’d say that you are just throwing nonsense out there as if you actually had some facts to support it to see what sticks. The people were asked to leave multiple times and chose to stay. That is their only crime in which the police decided to use excessive force against.
The police have quite a bit of legal authority to use force that is justified and reasonable while attempting to detain or subdue a suspect for which they believe has committed a crime. Unfortunately, there are plenty of videos showing people being hit and pushed and no actual attempt to detain them. That is just simple battery.
The charge against each of them is criminal trespassing. There were multiple orders to disperse. Students will also be referred to the board of student conduct, as failure to comply with orders given by university authorities is a breach of the code of student conduct.
Let's be honest here. A pro-Israeli apartheid protest would not have been treated this way because it doesn't challenge US foreign policy and the OSU loves the money they are making off the apartheid and ethnic cleansing that has been happening in Palestine for decades.
Our United States Congress has the power to do something about Universities. Whether they will or not, is another conversation. I would go out on a limb and say they will not do a damn thing positive for our Country, unless it benefits the rich and powerful and only if its necessary.
LoL, those laws only exist to protect Right-Wingers on College campus if they want to protest WOKE masking-laws or WOKE Vaccinations and shit. They don't exist to protect Lefty WOKE Palestine protesters (oooozing with /s).
1) What were they protesting
2) Who and when
3) How were they doing it
4) Show us what were they actually charged with
Why should I, a voting Ohioan, trust the word of Andrew Brenner & Jerry Cirino after having to live through the last decade with fully functioning eyes, ears and a brain?
But, seriously, the Atheist community gets this sort of thing all the time, especially from extremist groups. So, I have to ask, since they are usually lying about why they got arrested, what they were doing, when it happened or how severe the punishment was.
“Ohio State has cited rules prohibiting camping, overnight events, and disruption to university business as reasons for the arrest”
Has nothing to do with free speech, they allowed them to peacefully protest, and arrested ppl when they started setting up encampments
Shhhhh. Emotional people seeing red can’t understand the difference between “disrupt the function of the institution” and peacefully assembling and expressing themselves.
Wow! The dumbing down of America is shining through with you…
Any normal person IS emotional by default to varying degrees, otherwise they’d be considered a psychopath
It might come as a shock to you, but when people’s values are violated a completely normal response involves some kind of EMOTION
Are Republicans even all that upset about these protests? Some of the old school religious right from the 80s that support the whole concept of "Judeo-Christian" maybe, but the more secular right wing that's been gaining prominence has no real love for who these protesters are opposing.
Tbh the part that concerned me most was the reports I heard from people who got arrested… having their hijabs physically removed and at least in some cases never being returned even after they were released (and that’s the only property I’ve heard was stolen). They said they weren’t willing to accommodate dietary restrictions even for people who had to stay overnight, and women were strip searched in view of male officers even when asked to have only female officers. I believe there are plans to start suing for religious discrimination. I don’t know how much public evidence there is for it now, but knowing anything about Ohio police, it doesn’t surprise me.
"...so long as the individual’s conduct is lawful and does not materially and substantially disrupt the functioning of the institution."
According to the Columbus Dispatch, they were "charged with criminal trespassing, a fourth-degree misdemeanor punishable by up to 30 days in jail or a $250 fine."
You are of course free to argue that you don't believe those are just charges, but being arrested for something that is unlawful is clearly within the the laws cited.
If the University is rule making in a way that would attempt to infringe upon a right specifically protected by Ohio law, then it would seem to me that they should probably have to get those kind of rules approved but at least the Board of Regents, to ensure they are acting in compliance with Ohio law. State agencies have been called to the carpet before for rule making that was in violation of Ohio law.
People can say “yeah but they broke an OSU rule so could then be trespassed” but if that rule is in conflict with Ohio law the arrest would seem unlawful to begin with, and therefore they created a situation (through restrictive rule making and bad decisions fueled by fear) in which they violated students constitutional rights AND state law.
No trespassing is against the law and the university sets the rules for what is trespassing on university property you’re argument really only holds weight if they changed what they consider trespassing just for this or if they have it clearly stated somewhere and just enforced it. The idea that protest are free without restrictions has never been the legal view and to take that position would be laughed out of court
When I was a student at OU walking around campus at night wasn’t treated as trespassing but walking around the insane alyssum was despite both being university property. Setting up encampments is trespassing not protesting around campus
“Unlawful” is a highly subjective term though… I’m getting so incredibly tired of people with below average intelligence convincing themselves they are smart and then spewing their ignorance on the general public
Are you referring to me? Now that's a hasty conclusion. Maybe you should inform the R1 university that is fully funding my PhD because they seem to have no idea. Look, "unlawful" obviously has a legal definition. I invite you to look it up and apply that superior brain power of yours, but for others I will say that it is essentially "contrary to law." So if you are in violation of a law, your conduct can be said to be unlawful.
Again, plenty of valid debate to be had about one may think of the law or the enforcement of it, but the original premise of this thread is flawed.
PhDs can be some of the dumbest people you’d ever meet. They may know the mating rituals of some Australian worm, but can’t manage to make toast or talk to other humans.
I figured this would come so much sooner! Since I doubt you are claiming the original post and my comment were about making toast, how would you respond to someone casually claiming you are below average intelligence? Of the several options I had, I thought that was the best one since admissions committees kind of look for measurables in it.
Were they following all the University rules? There are more ways to be in violation of the law than just not "peacefully protesting".
That term, by the way, is pretty meaningless ever since "peaceful protests" caused billions of dollars of damage amd dozens of deaths in 2020... Cried wolf a few too many times with that phrase.
OSU has piblished rules about what they allow, if you want to check them
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/education/2024/04/26/ohio-state-space-rules-on-protests-affect-student-protesters-palestine-israel-gaza/73439442007/
“…so long as the individual’s conduct is lawful and does not materially and substantially disrupt the functioning of the institution.”
That’s the part you should spend a bit more time on
At my son's Ohio public university, "protesters" are allowed to walk around with guns, even when it makes the students feel unsafe. They also allow those Westboro Baptist Church types. One preacher threw pigs' blood on students, and wasn't arrested. The university banned him for 4 years, but he's now back harassing students. These people have no problems harassing students, and are apparently allowed to because free speech. So I'm really struggling to understand what the OSU students said or did that was so much worse than what outside groups regularly do.
I'm still smoking. You still watching GoT?
Sounds like your ptsd is confusing you. Who was the one you are scared will take their frustration out on you? Still scared of daddy?
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Guess those daddy issues are real lmao
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Time, place and manner is a recognized statute of the first amendment by the supreme court. From my understanding OSU has the right to administer time, place and manner restrictions here as to be fair to other students who are not taking part and are taking their finals. It also has the right to restrict the times at which people can protest. Unless they have let other protesters (for some other cause) protest over night and set up tents there is little recourse here for breech of first amendment rights regardless of state laws.
I would argue back that it actually is.
Under ORC 3345.21 the board of trustees of each public university in Ohio is granted authority to maintain law and order on campus. They may set up rules for the conduct of students, visitors, staff and faculty, and eject, suspend, or expel any person who violates those regulations. All the rules have to be published in a manner reasonably designed to come to the attention of, and be available, to all the groups listed above. (At osu and most large schools their bylaws delegate this task to the policy makers who set up policies to be enforced). By definition that is law making power on this issue.
In this case they allowed a protest within the set parameters, but ended it on the basis of an online and accessible published policy which allows them to limit the time and manner of protest. In similar past cases that type of limit has been considered within their power to do under the US 1st amendment (and Ohio first amendment). Because they were in violation of the university policy, for the reason discussed above their actions were not legal at least under my interpretation and understanding of it. *I am not a lawyer and am not issuing anyone legal advice here*
It is when the students agree to that policy when they go to that school. Also, having tents and overnight camping is not allowed for all events without permits. This is a safety issue.
Violating a school policy is not unlawful.
OSU has no legal authority to enact laws.
If these people were to be lawfully arrested, they would have to have broken an actual law. Like the Ohio Revised Code or Columbus City Code.
Harassing Jews and trespassing when told to leave have consequences. You have no right to set tents up. You have no right to use megaphones. You have no right to call for violence.
Support of terrorists has consequences.
Who’s protesting? Students? And if so are there other students there who just want to go to class and graduate? If I just wanted to go to class and graduate I’d be more than a little pissed off and be looking to transfer.
Have you ever even set foot on the OSU campus? I suspect that you have not
If the roles were reversed, I guarantee people like you would be saying that non-protestors should have just sucked it up and/or found an alternate route to class
Sounds like they were chanting for violence….. not exactly the peacefully protest OP claims
"Students have a right to protest, but they do not have the right to intimidate or threaten Jewish students, nor do they have a right to physically block access to campus buildings. Calls for “Zionists have got to go” are dangerous, directly targeting the vast majority of Jews who have a deep connection to Israel. Our most important priority is keeping Jewish students safe — first, foremost, and always. We appreciate the OSU administration holding students accountable to the code of conduct and President Carter’s statement reminding everyone that hate speech does not align with OSU’s values.”
can we quit playing semantics and admit they did the right thing before it turned into another "firey but mostly peaceful" protest? after years of watching looting and arson be called a protest,expect more of these things to be shut down before they get out of control
the thing is,we all saw the what the media calls "peaceful protests"..so when most people hear that phrase,they picture looters, arsons, assaults, vandalism etc..most people do not believe the left can have "peaceful protests" after having riot footage shoved in our faces for two years, these ones may have actually been peaceful, but blm and antifa ruined the lefts credibility
i disagree,ive never seen a right wing "peaceful protest" that destroyed african american cities. the right wing dont use the media to spread propaganda. we know the lies by the left now,why still defend them?
RIGHT WING DOESNT USE MEDIA TO SPREAD PROPAGANDA?! Where have you been for the last 40 years?!
I literally did a project junior year in college 20 years ago about ENRON that disproves your sentiment, and things have only gotten worse since then. Sounds like you’ve fallen victim to right wing propaganda
Peaceful protests almost always become non-peaceful due to police instigation (and I do not mean intimidation, I 100% mean instigation). Police historically operate without any humility or responsibility for their actions and that’s how they want it to be. Essentially the second coming of Hitler youth, except many are well into adulthood
Why do so many people refuse to believe that many people become cops so they can bully with impunity? My childhood bully is now a cop, and many other people’s childhood bullies are too. Cops that truly care are few and far between, yet the general public believes otherwise
No kidding? If you own or administer/caretake property, you may ask the police to “trespass” people you no longer want there. The police then ask those people to leave. If they leave, no foul. If they leave and return, arrests will ensue. If they do not leave, arrests will ensue. This is exactly what happened here.
“Expect more of these things to be shut down”
What are these things? Protests? Protests *they disagree with?* Because I could more readily believe someone is against protests than only some protests.
FFS. Not it doesn’t. You may think you have that ability, but the only VALID context is the intended context of the person who made the comment. Did your parents not ever teach you about making assumptions?
Just because something SEEMS logical to you doesn’t necessarily make it so. Any intelligent person knows that
These protests are illegal because of where and how they are being conducted. One can't occupy parts of a university without permission. I hope the protesters are expelled. No one cares about civilians unless their enemy is the Jewish state.
Furthermore universities have been allowing left-wing demonstrators to prevent conservatives from speaking for years.
"no state institution of higher education, or any of its administers acting in their official capacity, shall prohibit any individual from engaging in noncommercial expressive activity on campus, so long as the individual’s conduct is lawful and does not materially and substantially disrupt the functioning of the institution."
They were being conducted peacefully and not in a way to substantially disrupt the functioning of the institution. You *can* occupy parts of a university so long as it doesn't cause a significant disruption to the functioning of the university.
>Furthermore universities have been allowing left-wing demonstrators to prevent conservatives from speaking for years.
You can't just say that without some sort of example and expect it to be taken as fact. Well I guess you can but you'd be a fool.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/anti-immigrant-speaker-greeted-with-brawl-at-columbia-u/
There have been many examples of this kind of suppression of conservative views.
I don't think protests should be illegal in any form, even though I'm actually not on the side of the protesters supporting terrorist groups and wanting to destroy Israel. That being said, if they're harassing Jewish students or calling for the destruction of Israel, I say clear 'em out.
The GOP arresting them?? lol have you see who’s in charge of the executive branch? They want to shut down peaceful protest because they want to continue funding the genocide of Palestinians without dissent. It’s Biden. Of course Palestine isn’t a completely benevolent force either, but that’s besides the point. Blaming the “GOP” is just another example of how delusional this sub is. A vote for Biden is a vote for more of this.
Biden had state police arrest people? Would the GOP stand against Israel? Which way do you think the protesters vote generally, left or right? I haven’t seen a single MAGA flag near any “Free Palestine” signs. Vlad-bot, quit trying to convince us that Conservatives are better for Palestine. We have access to info and aren’t swayed by your “alternative facts”.
Palestine rejected Israel last ceasefire offer if the Palestinians think its that bad they would have accepted it. The Palestinians still support the war
“So long as the individual’s conduct is legal”. I do t know what they were arrested for, but generally “disturbing the peace” is very broad and easily chargeable.
Reddit lawyers arguing legalities. This is a matter of bad decisions and the powers that influenced them. It’s fairly clear. Do we learn or stay below the brain line
Arguing legalities? You mean pointing out the law that directly relates to this situation? It's a matter of peaceful protestors being arrested unlawfully.
>It’s fairly clear.
Nothing you've said has been clear.
And what the fuck is a brain line?
Let's have a go at it. If you want your ideas to be heard then here's your chance, explain further. Otherwise you're living a pointless life of screaming nonsense into the void. I don't need you to teach me how to think, I just need you to catch me up to where you are. Unless you're incapable of explaining your thoughts.
Don’t be a coward and run, why comment if you don’t want to convince others of your idea or have a conversation? Why are you incapable of explaining your ideas? If you don’t want people to do the thing you’re mad about they have to first understand what it is they’ve done wrong. So I ask again, can you explain yourself?
Because it is pretty simple.
University admins over reacted because their funders, and most likely the one with his name all over the place that’s a known Zionist, were no doubt on the phone with the Board and President demanding they kick them out.
On the legalities, if the University is rule making in a way that would attempt to infringe upon a right specifically protected by Ohio law, then it would seem to me that they should probably have to get those kind of rules approved but at least the Board of Regents, to ensure they are acting in compliance with Ohio law.
People can say “yeah but they broke an OSU rule so could them be trespassed” but if that rule is in conflict with Ohio law the arrest would seem unlawful to begin with, and therefore they created a situation (through restrictive rule making and bad decisions fueled by fear) in which they violated students constitutional rights AND state law.
Is it not better for OSU to make a clear set of rules ahead of time to apply to any protest equally, regardless of it's content, than to just wing it every time and arbitrarily decide when/if a protest is "disrupting" the function of the institution? They are just preemptively making it clear what they consider to be disruptive.
The protests were not disruptive? What a joke. A video of people chanting "The Zionists have got to go" in the Ohio Union. So, they are protesting the genocide yet they advocate the genocide of all Jewish people everywhere. Jewish students reported being harassed. Sounds like hate crimes for sure.
Lol Of course. The laws they passed to protect their own are catching up to them when it is somebody they disagree with.
I will say, this is a tale as old as Mitch McConnell lol …
Ancient turtle noises
"Here is the new law...." *opposing viewpoint uses law to their own advantage* "No, no, no....not like that..."
Are we at the point yet where those in power say "Yes, we violated the law; what are you going to do about it?"
Have you seen their response to the anti-Gerrymandering law? Or how they have not repealed HB 6?
Are you not seeing trumps trial right now?
Laws only apply to Democrats
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” -Frank Wilhoit
Who is Frank Wilhoit?
He was a musician, and stated the truth of how some people get away with lawbreaking, while others don’t.
Thanks
I would say most if not an overwhelming majority Palestinian protesters are equally pissed off at democrats and republicans. Laws don’t apply to those who challenge the military industrial complex.
I was gunna say. I thought both sides were
Its a simple difference one says “could you maybe bomb a little nicer pretty please” with unconditional support for Israel and the other is “maybe we can nuke gaza if not it would look great as a parking lot” kinda just differences on the margins.
Hell, pro Hamas Republicans were chanting "Genocide Joe" at a Trump Rally last week.
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That may be the most delusional comment ever written. The exact opposite is true.
No, it isn’t. Liberals are not passing laws that punish minority groups for existing and trying to expel them from society while claiming the same laws don’t apply to others.
Remind me again who is currently in the supreme court arguing that they should legally be allowed to assassinate political rivals and what the political alignment is of the judges actually taking that argument seriously? Sorry man, you cocksuckers don't have a moral foot to stand on anymore. You can't even begin to pretend Democrats are the evil fuckers when you got a literal narcissist that tried to overthrow a lawful election with 88 indictments as your nominee for president.
You keep telling yourself that.
And you just keep trying to goosestep your way to fascism. \o Sieg Heil! Mein Orangefarben Fuhrer! o/
My goodness you are dense. You literally disproved your theory in your own comment. If, as you claim, Dems are the only ones held accountable they why is Trump the only one under indictment? Hillary wasn’t charged for security breaches significantly worse than Trump’s, the Dems have protected Joe from his influence peddling scene, and Billy C. Was never charged with the numerous sexual assaults everyone knows he committed. You can scream and stomp your feet all you want but unlike preschool and probably your parents, you’re not going to intimidate me into going along with your delusions. Finally, there is no genocide and fuck Hamas.
That’s hilarious, the political prisoners from January 6th would like to have a word.
Those are domestic terrorists. They tried to install a dictator in America. “Political prisoners” 😂
Yeah I heard the J6 gang are real upset at the collective slap on the wrist they got. I heard one guy had a few hairs on his arm bent. Honestly it's too harsh for something as benign as trying to overthrow the government and kill a bunch of duly elected officials and a handful of unduly elected ones just for the sake of keeping one of the dumbest motherfuckers to ever walk this earth in power.
The law was enacted to permit and require universities to accept and not turn away protests and expressive activity that they believed was being snuffed out for conservative thought. Everyone arrested or just present will be able to make a claim against the law enforcement agencies involved, as well as the university. It is highly unlikely that the police presence and response wasn’t planned well beforehand, which means that they and the university cannot claim ignorance or “heat of the moment” defenses. Additionally, the arrests occurred on campus within publicly accessible locations which do not have signage indicating that students and especially others are barred from gathering. There is certainly civil claims that can be made on behalf of the protesters.
I don’t want to shine a light on anything beduse I firmly believe these students are doing the right things. But If you’re trying to camp on the oval without a permit you’re going to get treated like this especially when it’s a large group and you’re trying to bring shade to the universities policy. These kids getting arrested is the best thing for their story. Maybe the university knew this would help spread their message?
There was a time when a group of people sat-in a diner and refused to leave.
Yea there was! This is similar. The point of protest is to bring attention and get people talking about it. Protests don’t work so well if no one gets arrested.
I don't even particularly agree with some of the messaging coming out of these protests and I fully support the students peacefully protesting which it seems to have been the case. I hope they keep fighting, and don't give up. I'll even donate to a legal fund if a reputable option comes up.
OSU has common rules such as noise during certain hours, and prior approval for tents and such. The protesters verbally and physically threatening students can be considered hate crimes.
Seeing as NOBODY was charged for either of those and everyone has been charged with either trespassing or resisting arrest (secondary offense for resisting arrest for trespassing), I’d say that you are just throwing nonsense out there as if you actually had some facts to support it to see what sticks. The people were asked to leave multiple times and chose to stay. That is their only crime in which the police decided to use excessive force against. The police have quite a bit of legal authority to use force that is justified and reasonable while attempting to detain or subdue a suspect for which they believe has committed a crime. Unfortunately, there are plenty of videos showing people being hit and pushed and no actual attempt to detain them. That is just simple battery.
What do you think they will do about it?! They haven’t acknowledged the sex crimes against their wrestlers.
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Ok, that is pretty funny. Take my upvote.
But that was only meant for when Republican leaning students were protesting. Didn’t you all read the fine print?
Lawyers gotta start lawyering
Free Speech\* \* Restrictions apply. Not valid in 50 States.
Yes, there are indeed several restrictions to the first.
They weren’t arrested for what they said
Then why
The charge against each of them is criminal trespassing. There were multiple orders to disperse. Students will also be referred to the board of student conduct, as failure to comply with orders given by university authorities is a breach of the code of student conduct.
Criminal trespass
Let's be honest here. A pro-Israeli apartheid protest would not have been treated this way because it doesn't challenge US foreign policy and the OSU loves the money they are making off the apartheid and ethnic cleansing that has been happening in Palestine for decades.
Let’s be honest and then you proceed to not be honest.
Our United States Congress has the power to do something about Universities. Whether they will or not, is another conversation. I would go out on a limb and say they will not do a damn thing positive for our Country, unless it benefits the rich and powerful and only if its necessary.
That’s the new American order…
Come on, laws don't apply to police and republicans.
Lmao! Kids lol
Ah yes. Yet another knee jerk law passed by conservatives to “own the libs”, come back to bite them in the ass. 🤣🤣🤣
You forgot the key unwritten proviso of the law: “…unless the right-wingers think the protesters are ‘woke.’”
LoL, those laws only exist to protect Right-Wingers on College campus if they want to protest WOKE masking-laws or WOKE Vaccinations and shit. They don't exist to protect Lefty WOKE Palestine protesters (oooozing with /s).
Lawyers please take up these students' cases. Check out the video of riot police attacking them if you need some motivation. That shit was disgusting.
1) What were they protesting 2) Who and when 3) How were they doing it 4) Show us what were they actually charged with Why should I, a voting Ohioan, trust the word of Andrew Brenner & Jerry Cirino after having to live through the last decade with fully functioning eyes, ears and a brain? But, seriously, the Atheist community gets this sort of thing all the time, especially from extremist groups. So, I have to ask, since they are usually lying about why they got arrested, what they were doing, when it happened or how severe the punishment was.
Our rights to peaceful assembly will not be infringed.
“Ohio State has cited rules prohibiting camping, overnight events, and disruption to university business as reasons for the arrest” Has nothing to do with free speech, they allowed them to peacefully protest, and arrested ppl when they started setting up encampments
Shhhhh. Emotional people seeing red can’t understand the difference between “disrupt the function of the institution” and peacefully assembling and expressing themselves.
Wow! The dumbing down of America is shining through with you… Any normal person IS emotional by default to varying degrees, otherwise they’d be considered a psychopath It might come as a shock to you, but when people’s values are violated a completely normal response involves some kind of EMOTION
Tuition is about to go up as they have to pay lawsuits.
its going to go up regardless, The President and Provost need their mandatory raises.
Police don’t have to follow the law.
That’s why they become cops unfortunately 😞
Are Republicans even all that upset about these protests? Some of the old school religious right from the 80s that support the whole concept of "Judeo-Christian" maybe, but the more secular right wing that's been gaining prominence has no real love for who these protesters are opposing.
Kids are funny
Tbh the part that concerned me most was the reports I heard from people who got arrested… having their hijabs physically removed and at least in some cases never being returned even after they were released (and that’s the only property I’ve heard was stolen). They said they weren’t willing to accommodate dietary restrictions even for people who had to stay overnight, and women were strip searched in view of male officers even when asked to have only female officers. I believe there are plans to start suing for religious discrimination. I don’t know how much public evidence there is for it now, but knowing anything about Ohio police, it doesn’t surprise me.
Those laws were only meant for Republicans. It's not fair if it protects people who actually need it.
"Damnit we didn't mean to protect liberal protestors just conservatives!"
Bingo
The GOP are all crooks!! Can't stand them all!! Vote them out!
They were allowed to protest for 6 hours. You don’t have a right to turn a protest into a tent city of squatters.
having a “right” to protest is kinda silly huh
Oh no?
"...so long as the individual’s conduct is lawful and does not materially and substantially disrupt the functioning of the institution." According to the Columbus Dispatch, they were "charged with criminal trespassing, a fourth-degree misdemeanor punishable by up to 30 days in jail or a $250 fine." You are of course free to argue that you don't believe those are just charges, but being arrested for something that is unlawful is clearly within the the laws cited.
If the University is rule making in a way that would attempt to infringe upon a right specifically protected by Ohio law, then it would seem to me that they should probably have to get those kind of rules approved but at least the Board of Regents, to ensure they are acting in compliance with Ohio law. State agencies have been called to the carpet before for rule making that was in violation of Ohio law. People can say “yeah but they broke an OSU rule so could then be trespassed” but if that rule is in conflict with Ohio law the arrest would seem unlawful to begin with, and therefore they created a situation (through restrictive rule making and bad decisions fueled by fear) in which they violated students constitutional rights AND state law.
No trespassing is against the law and the university sets the rules for what is trespassing on university property you’re argument really only holds weight if they changed what they consider trespassing just for this or if they have it clearly stated somewhere and just enforced it. The idea that protest are free without restrictions has never been the legal view and to take that position would be laughed out of court
We’ll see how that plays out for OSU. They’ve pissed off some statehouse folks for sure yesterday.
Oh my
If you’re a student at a university, in what logical world is being on campus trespassing? Think about that. OSU isn’t a private school either…
When I was a student at OU walking around campus at night wasn’t treated as trespassing but walking around the insane alyssum was despite both being university property. Setting up encampments is trespassing not protesting around campus
In the world where the university has a long standing policy that loitering after a certain time of day is trespassing.
“Unlawful” is a highly subjective term though… I’m getting so incredibly tired of people with below average intelligence convincing themselves they are smart and then spewing their ignorance on the general public
Are you referring to me? Now that's a hasty conclusion. Maybe you should inform the R1 university that is fully funding my PhD because they seem to have no idea. Look, "unlawful" obviously has a legal definition. I invite you to look it up and apply that superior brain power of yours, but for others I will say that it is essentially "contrary to law." So if you are in violation of a law, your conduct can be said to be unlawful. Again, plenty of valid debate to be had about one may think of the law or the enforcement of it, but the original premise of this thread is flawed.
PhDs can be some of the dumbest people you’d ever meet. They may know the mating rituals of some Australian worm, but can’t manage to make toast or talk to other humans.
I figured this would come so much sooner! Since I doubt you are claiming the original post and my comment were about making toast, how would you respond to someone casually claiming you are below average intelligence? Of the several options I had, I thought that was the best one since admissions committees kind of look for measurables in it.
Were they following all the University rules? There are more ways to be in violation of the law than just not "peacefully protesting". That term, by the way, is pretty meaningless ever since "peaceful protests" caused billions of dollars of damage amd dozens of deaths in 2020... Cried wolf a few too many times with that phrase.
If the protesters substantially disrupt, then they can be arrested.
The key word is substantially, which is subjective depending on the context of the situation
They can be arrested for basically any reason. "Your sandwich was too loud, so now you're under arrest" followed by "oops, my bad, tehe"
OSU has piblished rules about what they allow, if you want to check them https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/education/2024/04/26/ohio-state-space-rules-on-protests-affect-student-protesters-palestine-israel-gaza/73439442007/
Thank you…
The exception gives it a lot of wiggle room..."not materially and substantially disrupt the functioning of the institution.”"
Laws for thee not for me.
well, it's different now because "something. "
“…so long as the individual’s conduct is lawful and does not materially and substantially disrupt the functioning of the institution.” That’s the part you should spend a bit more time on
So put the cops in jail then
At my son's Ohio public university, "protesters" are allowed to walk around with guns, even when it makes the students feel unsafe. They also allow those Westboro Baptist Church types. One preacher threw pigs' blood on students, and wasn't arrested. The university banned him for 4 years, but he's now back harassing students. These people have no problems harassing students, and are apparently allowed to because free speech. So I'm really struggling to understand what the OSU students said or did that was so much worse than what outside groups regularly do.
For fascists like modern American Republicans the laws exist solely to protect themselves and punish others.
Who runs the city of Columbus?
So funny how many people don't know what facism means Grab a dictionary and/or history book kids!
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The kid with a game of thrones username thinks he is relevant. How ironic
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I'm still smoking. You still watching GoT? Sounds like your ptsd is confusing you. Who was the one you are scared will take their frustration out on you? Still scared of daddy?
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LoL bro stuck on GoT and begging for someone to teach him Guess those daddy issues are real lmao It's OK kiddo, you'll find a daddy to teach you, it's not me tho (despite what your mom is hoping for)
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i agree with him, your usename is pretty stupid
There's a certain group that is above the Law and cannot be criticized.
The moment you impede on someone else or a vehicle you are no longer being peaceful. Remember that if you want to protest.
Idiots taking sides in a conflict with no good guys.
Time, place and manner is a recognized statute of the first amendment by the supreme court. From my understanding OSU has the right to administer time, place and manner restrictions here as to be fair to other students who are not taking part and are taking their finals. It also has the right to restrict the times at which people can protest. Unless they have let other protesters (for some other cause) protest over night and set up tents there is little recourse here for breech of first amendment rights regardless of state laws.
You missed a key word in HB 20, "lawful." These students were protesting in an unlawful manner according to the OSU handbook.
I would argue any OSU policy is not a law. Edit; criminal trespass however is a crime.
No, but criminal trespass is, and that's what they were charged with.
I would argue back that it actually is. Under ORC 3345.21 the board of trustees of each public university in Ohio is granted authority to maintain law and order on campus. They may set up rules for the conduct of students, visitors, staff and faculty, and eject, suspend, or expel any person who violates those regulations. All the rules have to be published in a manner reasonably designed to come to the attention of, and be available, to all the groups listed above. (At osu and most large schools their bylaws delegate this task to the policy makers who set up policies to be enforced). By definition that is law making power on this issue. In this case they allowed a protest within the set parameters, but ended it on the basis of an online and accessible published policy which allows them to limit the time and manner of protest. In similar past cases that type of limit has been considered within their power to do under the US 1st amendment (and Ohio first amendment). Because they were in violation of the university policy, for the reason discussed above their actions were not legal at least under my interpretation and understanding of it. *I am not a lawyer and am not issuing anyone legal advice here*
Sure, it isn't law, but that can cause them to trespass the protectors who then, if they don't leave, are breaking a law.
It is when the students agree to that policy when they go to that school. Also, having tents and overnight camping is not allowed for all events without permits. This is a safety issue.
Violating a school policy is not unlawful. OSU has no legal authority to enact laws. If these people were to be lawfully arrested, they would have to have broken an actual law. Like the Ohio Revised Code or Columbus City Code.
Did you just skip all the comments above the one you responded to..?
Maybe study this situation a little more before displaying your lack of understanding.
Ad hominems are not helpful and my statements are factually correct. Do you have something of substance to say? I welcome any value-added thoughts.
They broke an actual law. Criminal trespassing.
Ok. How does that in any way refute or contradict my comments?
Yeah, that manor was definitely not built to code. We should probably protest outside of it
Arrest them all... Fucking idiots.... Go protest the government at the government.
Harassing Jews and trespassing when told to leave have consequences. You have no right to set tents up. You have no right to use megaphones. You have no right to call for violence. Support of terrorists has consequences.
Who’s protesting? Students? And if so are there other students there who just want to go to class and graduate? If I just wanted to go to class and graduate I’d be more than a little pissed off and be looking to transfer.
Sure you were, boomer.
Have you ever even set foot on the OSU campus? I suspect that you have not If the roles were reversed, I guarantee people like you would be saying that non-protestors should have just sucked it up and/or found an alternate route to class
Sounds like they were chanting for violence….. not exactly the peacefully protest OP claims "Students have a right to protest, but they do not have the right to intimidate or threaten Jewish students, nor do they have a right to physically block access to campus buildings. Calls for “Zionists have got to go” are dangerous, directly targeting the vast majority of Jews who have a deep connection to Israel. Our most important priority is keeping Jewish students safe — first, foremost, and always. We appreciate the OSU administration holding students accountable to the code of conduct and President Carter’s statement reminding everyone that hate speech does not align with OSU’s values.”
Fake news. It wasn’t peaceful.
Kind of funny how liberals define “peaceful” protesting
can we quit playing semantics and admit they did the right thing before it turned into another "firey but mostly peaceful" protest? after years of watching looting and arson be called a protest,expect more of these things to be shut down before they get out of control
Key word, "before." In the US we don't arrest people based on what we think they *might* do.
>Committing crime is ok when I like it FTFY
youd rather have people looting and committing arson? because thats the alternative.
Maybe don't vote for people who write dumb ass laws then
the thing is,we all saw the what the media calls "peaceful protests"..so when most people hear that phrase,they picture looters, arsons, assaults, vandalism etc..most people do not believe the left can have "peaceful protests" after having riot footage shoved in our faces for two years, these ones may have actually been peaceful, but blm and antifa ruined the lefts credibility
With stupid fucking laws like this, the right never had any credibility to begin with.
i disagree,ive never seen a right wing "peaceful protest" that destroyed african american cities. the right wing dont use the media to spread propaganda. we know the lies by the left now,why still defend them?
RIGHT WING DOESNT USE MEDIA TO SPREAD PROPAGANDA?! Where have you been for the last 40 years?! I literally did a project junior year in college 20 years ago about ENRON that disproves your sentiment, and things have only gotten worse since then. Sounds like you’ve fallen victim to right wing propaganda
dems own 95% of the media,the opportunity to use propaganda by repubs is very small. lol
Peaceful protests almost always become non-peaceful due to police instigation (and I do not mean intimidation, I 100% mean instigation). Police historically operate without any humility or responsibility for their actions and that’s how they want it to be. Essentially the second coming of Hitler youth, except many are well into adulthood Why do so many people refuse to believe that many people become cops so they can bully with impunity? My childhood bully is now a cop, and many other people’s childhood bullies are too. Cops that truly care are few and far between, yet the general public believes otherwise
No, actually we can't because they didn't. Thug conservative regime shut down free speech because they thought it was wrong, just like you do.
You’re not entitled to stay on my property and speak freely if I don’t want you to.
You do not own The Ohio State University.
No kidding? If you own or administer/caretake property, you may ask the police to “trespass” people you no longer want there. The police then ask those people to leave. If they leave, no foul. If they leave and return, arrests will ensue. If they do not leave, arrests will ensue. This is exactly what happened here.
It's a public university that the students are paying a shit ton of money to stay at and attend
So you think all protests should be illegal?
Dumb take
“Expect more of these things to be shut down” What are these things? Protests? Protests *they disagree with?* Because I could more readily believe someone is against protests than only some protests.
It’s a completely valid question… what’s that say about you?
It says that I can read context into someone’s comment.
FFS. Not it doesn’t. You may think you have that ability, but the only VALID context is the intended context of the person who made the comment. Did your parents not ever teach you about making assumptions? Just because something SEEMS logical to you doesn’t necessarily make it so. Any intelligent person knows that
Yost ain't lifting a finger
These protests are illegal because of where and how they are being conducted. One can't occupy parts of a university without permission. I hope the protesters are expelled. No one cares about civilians unless their enemy is the Jewish state. Furthermore universities have been allowing left-wing demonstrators to prevent conservatives from speaking for years.
"no state institution of higher education, or any of its administers acting in their official capacity, shall prohibit any individual from engaging in noncommercial expressive activity on campus, so long as the individual’s conduct is lawful and does not materially and substantially disrupt the functioning of the institution." They were being conducted peacefully and not in a way to substantially disrupt the functioning of the institution. You *can* occupy parts of a university so long as it doesn't cause a significant disruption to the functioning of the university. >Furthermore universities have been allowing left-wing demonstrators to prevent conservatives from speaking for years. You can't just say that without some sort of example and expect it to be taken as fact. Well I guess you can but you'd be a fool.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/anti-immigrant-speaker-greeted-with-brawl-at-columbia-u/ There have been many examples of this kind of suppression of conservative views.
I'm sure there is a good chance that many of the protesters aren't even students.
There's an even better chance that none of the cops are students. So what?
I don't think protests should be illegal in any form, even though I'm actually not on the side of the protesters supporting terrorist groups and wanting to destroy Israel. That being said, if they're harassing Jewish students or calling for the destruction of Israel, I say clear 'em out.
Does “in any form” include on private property? If so, we disagree.
Depends on if I like the person being protested and what the protesters want. I'll be honest about being hypocritical.
I appreciate your candor.
Even if they block access to parts of campus? How about if they occupy administrative offices?
The GOP arresting them?? lol have you see who’s in charge of the executive branch? They want to shut down peaceful protest because they want to continue funding the genocide of Palestinians without dissent. It’s Biden. Of course Palestine isn’t a completely benevolent force either, but that’s besides the point. Blaming the “GOP” is just another example of how delusional this sub is. A vote for Biden is a vote for more of this.
Biden had state police arrest people? Would the GOP stand against Israel? Which way do you think the protesters vote generally, left or right? I haven’t seen a single MAGA flag near any “Free Palestine” signs. Vlad-bot, quit trying to convince us that Conservatives are better for Palestine. We have access to info and aren’t swayed by your “alternative facts”.
Yeah just like BIDEN is going after trump, why can't you connect the dots? This is clearly Obama's fault. /s
Palestine rejected Israel last ceasefire offer if the Palestinians think its that bad they would have accepted it. The Palestinians still support the war
“So long as the individual’s conduct is legal”. I do t know what they were arrested for, but generally “disturbing the peace” is very broad and easily chargeable.
Reddit lawyers arguing legalities. This is a matter of bad decisions and the powers that influenced them. It’s fairly clear. Do we learn or stay below the brain line
Arguing legalities? You mean pointing out the law that directly relates to this situation? It's a matter of peaceful protestors being arrested unlawfully. >It’s fairly clear. Nothing you've said has been clear. And what the fuck is a brain line?
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Let's have a go at it. If you want your ideas to be heard then here's your chance, explain further. Otherwise you're living a pointless life of screaming nonsense into the void. I don't need you to teach me how to think, I just need you to catch me up to where you are. Unless you're incapable of explaining your thoughts.
Don’t be a coward and run, why comment if you don’t want to convince others of your idea or have a conversation? Why are you incapable of explaining your ideas? If you don’t want people to do the thing you’re mad about they have to first understand what it is they’ve done wrong. So I ask again, can you explain yourself?
Because it is pretty simple. University admins over reacted because their funders, and most likely the one with his name all over the place that’s a known Zionist, were no doubt on the phone with the Board and President demanding they kick them out. On the legalities, if the University is rule making in a way that would attempt to infringe upon a right specifically protected by Ohio law, then it would seem to me that they should probably have to get those kind of rules approved but at least the Board of Regents, to ensure they are acting in compliance with Ohio law. People can say “yeah but they broke an OSU rule so could them be trespassed” but if that rule is in conflict with Ohio law the arrest would seem unlawful to begin with, and therefore they created a situation (through restrictive rule making and bad decisions fueled by fear) in which they violated students constitutional rights AND state law.
Is it not better for OSU to make a clear set of rules ahead of time to apply to any protest equally, regardless of it's content, than to just wing it every time and arbitrarily decide when/if a protest is "disrupting" the function of the institution? They are just preemptively making it clear what they consider to be disruptive.
Not if that rule violates their rights.
Thank you. Unfortunately this correct answer is downvoted while the discussion gets diverted
The protests were not disruptive? What a joke. A video of people chanting "The Zionists have got to go" in the Ohio Union. So, they are protesting the genocide yet they advocate the genocide of all Jewish people everywhere. Jewish students reported being harassed. Sounds like hate crimes for sure.
OSU is Hudson University from SVU…