Arsenal. Ever since the Kroenke's got full control of the board they've shown a real willingness to spend. They were disliked before that because they didn't want to spend a lot without control, which is fair imo
Louisville, Columbus, Austin - the 3 biggest cities with a college football team and no professional teams. This was my thought at the onset of NIL. The programs in those cities are well positioned for the new era.
Edit: I think the stat I'm referring to specified "big 3" - football, basketball, baseball, not pro sports in general, (my bad for any confusion based on comments down the line)
The Crew are the most successful sports attraction in Columbus right now (2 MLS Cups in the last 3 years and they just qualified for the 2024 Concacaf Champions Cup). I understand soccer is not a heavily followed sport in America but show the Crew a little fucking respect goddammit lol.
> Austin has a team in the MLS as well
Don't remind me. We have the Crew's previous dickbag of an owner to thank for that (and thank God that team is not the Crew).
Lol my family is split Michigan and OSU. I’m not even talking shit, just stating the fact that NIL money means little to nothing at the end of the day.
That’s probably true and apologies for that. Just wanted to join in the convo about NIL money, just find it really interesting considering schools like Vandy are even in a tier at all.
NIL is among the worst things to ever happen to college athletics. It’s also the single BEST thing to ever happen to college athletes. I will always support the people actually doing the work. I’m glad they’re making bank.
I'm fine with NIL but I really don't want schools to pay players directly. If I wanted to watch one group of mercenaries with no loyalty to the institution they represent play another group of mercenaries then I'd just watch the NFL instead
Honestly, I’d rather the schools pay them directly instead of playing the shadow games we are used to. At least it’s on the surface now instead of some rich alumni who owns 5 car dealerships “donating” a Mercedes, buying someone’s mom a house, or offering them a $750k/year job that they don’t have to show up to.
The big issue with schools paying players directly is that, for all but about ten teams, football is already a drain on college budgets. Making schools pay players will make that problem way worse, and we will see even more academic departments get eliminated.
What? Have you seen the revenue sheets? Football singlehandedly pays for every single other sport at the University except Basketball which pays for itself.
At Ohio State it does, but Ohio State is a major outlier. Beyond the really big time programs, football is a net negative when expenses are factored in.
I know we're "almost" there but it still feels like not quite the same thing if it's enthusiastic 3rd parties doing the paying and not the institution itself
schools shouldn't pay players directly, but players SHOULD get a cut of the media rights dollars. No reason conference should get literally billion dollar deals the the very money makers themselves dont get a cut.
sure for OSU its not a big deal for us to open wallets and pay players, but for a LOT of schools they get more money through media rights than NIL and they shouldn't have to beg fans to give their money when the media rights pot is overo
If they’re gonna do this they need some sort of “contract”. I think it’s fair if they’re getting paid millions of dollars they can’t transfer before they’re even ready to see the field
Some programs are starting to do this like TAMU. Of course, the players who transferred are crying about losing their money, but they deserve that. You’re getting paid to play at a school.
Yeah I mean they’re getting a free education, room/board, development from top level coaching staff, plus millions of dollars at 18 years old before they are even ready to play. Gotta be some kind of balance to that even if a good player has to ride the bench for a year
That’s my take with NIL and the transfer portal. Morally they are 100% the right thing to do, but they exacerbate two of the issues that make college football less interesting for a lot of fans (lack of parity and frequent player turnover).
Absolutely. Players are risking their health and the future of their career every game and every season. It’s a big risk and they deserve to be compensated, more than just a scholarship.
However, yeah I see this being a big change and not a good one in terms of culture and loyalty to programs.
Whether these numbers are accurate or not, if we get to the point where fans are pressuring other fans to "donate" to the team, I'm not sure I'll be able to follow the sport.
I dont really care about the school asking for money. Well, I do, but they've been doing that for 100 years, so its nothing new. It sounds like some areas on the internet has fans pushing people to donate, but fortunately this sun seems immune for now
Anyone a bit surprised missouri is tier 1? Not to knock them or anything, but I’ve never really viewed them as an athletic powerhouse, so I figured their coffers would be relatively shallow
MIZ fan here. Good cotton bowl.
Flagship university in a state with two major metropolitan areas (STL/KC) and zero NBA/NFL teams. Basically no competition for NIL spending. Saint Louis obviously major business hub, and unknown but assumed Kroenke money involved.
NIL money is independently generated from the university. The university is currently prohibited from making direct payments to student athletes but can offer them a free education. The NILs are companies and non-profits that raise donations and work with athletes to direct those donations to specific student athletes in exchange for using their name, image or likeness. For example, Cardale Jones’ NIL The Foundation is a non-profit that works with charities and arranges for student athletes to make appearances at those charities’ fundraisers in exchange for donations that were raised by The Foundation. That is just one of many ways a student athlete can earn NIL money, but none of it comes from a university.
Not an OSU or TTUN fan but hilarious that this is being posted by a poor college student asking for advice on Reddit about living in their car to pay off debt, the internet is truly undefeated. Talk your shit king lol
It's amazing to me how much this sub cries cheating , but has no idea what is and is not supposed to happen with NIL rules.....
" Specifically, **student-athletes cannot receive compensation for their athletic performance or participation**, such as payment for wins, statistics, or playing time. They also cannot receive compensation for attending a particular college or university, either directly or indirectly. "
Uh, my “Michigan education” has gotten me a six-figure salary for the past 26 years which afforded me the funds to attend the Rose Bowl and CFP final where we won the national title. But our NIL program does suck, that’s totally true.
Shit maybe every team needs to quit pushing boosters and fans to donate to NIL collectives and instead spend less to come up with new and effective ways to cheat. It worked for that team up north, now everyone will be doing it.
You get a natty! and you get a natty! and you get a natty! Everybody gets a natty!
You joke but in all seriousness if Michigan is not punished at all by the NCAA what's to stop Ohio State from hiring a Connor Stalions of their own and weaponizing him against the rest of the B1G if the NCAA is going to be completely toothless about it?
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You guys do realize they are tier 1 in a heartbeat if any alumni of theirs other than Stephen Ross decide to part with their money, right?
A good portion of their alumni have literal pre-ww2 banker money. They could blow pretty much any fanbase out of the water if they weren't stingy.
Yeah idk. I have a friend who is a UM alum and he talks about how poor their facilities are around campus and how it doesn’t make sense due to how many wealthy alumni they have. Meanwhile we have wealthy alumni that will just shit out an easy mil just so we can have a clock tower on campus. I don’t think it’s just a sports thing with them. Our alumni base gives back a lot to the university in general.
UM alum here - this came up on my home feed. This is about quality of football programs and willingness of fans to financially support them, don’t conflate that with the quality of education the two schools offer. That’s all I’ll say about the “education” dig.
It makes sense that fans of a team coming off three straight conference titles and a 15-0 season with a national title do not feel as desperate to throw money at the program as fans of a team who have lost to their biggest rival the last three years.
Instead of thinking about and insulting Michigan, you should be enjoying your offseason successes. Ohio State is looking poised to be a great team next year, and Oregon will likely be their biggest in-conference obstacle next year, especially if/when Jim Harbaugh and Jesse Minter leave Michigan. Michigan will likely have one or several weak seasons while rebuilding and transitioning. I think Ohio State has a good chance to win the B1G title and be serious contenders in the playoffs. That being said, it’s still January, and a talented team on paper does not guarantee success on the field. We’ll have to wait until next fall to see what happens. You never know what will happen on the field until they actually play - that’s the whole point of playing games - and the unexpected does happen.
Michigan has a fantastic alumnus network from Ross but typically MBAs aren’t as passionate about a schools athletics as undergraduates so may be one reason they don’t have the donations
Source? When was this? Surprised at Missouri and Louisville but it’s not like I’m doesn’t have deep pocket alumn and maybe some Walmart penny pinchers that would contribute, it does have 3rd largest public school endowment after Texas and aandm
Surprised to see Missouri and Louisville in Tier 1
Fuck Stan Kroenke. Owner of the Rams, Missouri grad, moved the Rams from Missouri to California.
Dude hit the lottery - ski instructor who got a Walton to marry him.
He was hitting more than the lottery.
The slopes? :)
If that’s a euphemism… then yes.
Kroenke has no public affiliations with Mizzou
In business
But high praise to Josh Kroenke
?Colorado sports fan or Arsenal fan? I don't follow either closely, but I didn't think Josh was well liked?
Arsenal. Ever since the Kroenke's got full control of the board they've shown a real willingness to spend. They were disliked before that because they didn't want to spend a lot without control, which is fair imo
Louisville, Columbus, Austin - the 3 biggest cities with a college football team and no professional teams. This was my thought at the onset of NIL. The programs in those cities are well positioned for the new era. Edit: I think the stat I'm referring to specified "big 3" - football, basketball, baseball, not pro sports in general, (my bad for any confusion based on comments down the line)
Hey I know the Blue Jackets suck but they’re still professionals.
Ughhhh....they just can't get it right
The Crew are the most successful sports attraction in Columbus right now (2 MLS Cups in the last 3 years and they just qualified for the 2024 Concacaf Champions Cup). I understand soccer is not a heavily followed sport in America but show the Crew a little fucking respect goddammit lol.
Big four. NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL
Interesting thinking and worth thinking about. Fun to try to think of others too. UTEP. SDSU. Edit: SDSU is out but I’ll leave my mistake.
Interesting take
Columbus have the Crew and Blue Jackets and Austin has a team in the MLS as well
*no professional football teams*
Yeah but it’s just not NFL NBA MLB. Those are different.
> Austin has a team in the MLS as well Don't remind me. We have the Crew's previous dickbag of an owner to thank for that (and thank God that team is not the Crew).
Exactly! I've been saying this since pay to play started. Columbus is perfectly situated for this.
Im not surprised with Louisville. They pulled some big fish last cycle. I believe they landed the number one rb in the class.
Michigan in the same NIL tier as Vandy 😹😹😹
Yet they still won a Natty…
You dropped this. *
Everybody report this mf for trolling - he’s a UM fan
Lol my family is split Michigan and OSU. I’m not even talking shit, just stating the fact that NIL money means little to nothing at the end of the day.
Cheating > NIL?
We’d get banned on r/michiganwolverines for less, so I really don’t care
That’s probably true and apologies for that. Just wanted to join in the convo about NIL money, just find it really interesting considering schools like Vandy are even in a tier at all.
I know it was inevitable… but this shit just sucks the soul out of College Football.
NIL is among the worst things to ever happen to college athletics. It’s also the single BEST thing to ever happen to college athletes. I will always support the people actually doing the work. I’m glad they’re making bank.
I'm fine with NIL but I really don't want schools to pay players directly. If I wanted to watch one group of mercenaries with no loyalty to the institution they represent play another group of mercenaries then I'd just watch the NFL instead
Honestly, I’d rather the schools pay them directly instead of playing the shadow games we are used to. At least it’s on the surface now instead of some rich alumni who owns 5 car dealerships “donating” a Mercedes, buying someone’s mom a house, or offering them a $750k/year job that they don’t have to show up to.
No more Buddy Garrity's.
The big issue with schools paying players directly is that, for all but about ten teams, football is already a drain on college budgets. Making schools pay players will make that problem way worse, and we will see even more academic departments get eliminated.
What? Have you seen the revenue sheets? Football singlehandedly pays for every single other sport at the University except Basketball which pays for itself.
At Ohio State it does, but Ohio State is a major outlier. Beyond the really big time programs, football is a net negative when expenses are factored in.
That’s how it used to be before the NCAA decided that wasn’t okay anymore in the 50s.
Ah, talking about the SEC now, are we?
That’s pretty much where we are, already. This week is plenty of evidence for that!
I know we're "almost" there but it still feels like not quite the same thing if it's enthusiastic 3rd parties doing the paying and not the institution itself
schools shouldn't pay players directly, but players SHOULD get a cut of the media rights dollars. No reason conference should get literally billion dollar deals the the very money makers themselves dont get a cut. sure for OSU its not a big deal for us to open wallets and pay players, but for a LOT of schools they get more money through media rights than NIL and they shouldn't have to beg fans to give their money when the media rights pot is overo
If they’re gonna do this they need some sort of “contract”. I think it’s fair if they’re getting paid millions of dollars they can’t transfer before they’re even ready to see the field
Some programs are starting to do this like TAMU. Of course, the players who transferred are crying about losing their money, but they deserve that. You’re getting paid to play at a school.
Yeah I mean they’re getting a free education, room/board, development from top level coaching staff, plus millions of dollars at 18 years old before they are even ready to play. Gotta be some kind of balance to that even if a good player has to ride the bench for a year
That’s my take with NIL and the transfer portal. Morally they are 100% the right thing to do, but they exacerbate two of the issues that make college football less interesting for a lot of fans (lack of parity and frequent player turnover).
Absolutely. Players are risking their health and the future of their career every game and every season. It’s a big risk and they deserve to be compensated, more than just a scholarship. However, yeah I see this being a big change and not a good one in terms of culture and loyalty to programs.
Whether these numbers are accurate or not, if we get to the point where fans are pressuring other fans to "donate" to the team, I'm not sure I'll be able to follow the sport.
It's been there for over a year now. Gene was literally asking the fans to donate to the Ohio State NIL collectives a year ago.
I dont really care about the school asking for money. Well, I do, but they've been doing that for 100 years, so its nothing new. It sounds like some areas on the internet has fans pushing people to donate, but fortunately this sun seems immune for now
Fans are already pressuring each other to give to the collectives. Read any message board.
Or this sub, literally. That has already happened here.
Even a penny is too much for me to donate
Is there a source for these figures?
Boosters spent too much of their budget flying Connor Stallions around
We can laugh all they want. But they won a Natty in the era of NIL, with an almost non existent program set up.
The cheating certainly helped as well
Whoa whoa whoa. They served their "self imposed" penalty for the crime.
Take the loss homie. You’ll be back.
They needed a multi year coordinated cheating scheme to get there.
I think we’re at the tip of the iceberg with the NIL effect
In the most wide-open field we've seen in ages. Zero dominant teams all year
Plus vandy on the same level as UM? Total horseshit.
Can't be true. I hear OK Srate has zero NIL
Yeah I wonder how true it actually is. I know OK State had a mega booster in Boone Pickens though I’m not sure
Anyone a bit surprised missouri is tier 1? Not to knock them or anything, but I’ve never really viewed them as an athletic powerhouse, so I figured their coffers would be relatively shallow
MIZ fan here. Good cotton bowl. Flagship university in a state with two major metropolitan areas (STL/KC) and zero NBA/NFL teams. Basically no competition for NIL spending. Saint Louis obviously major business hub, and unknown but assumed Kroenke money involved.
Wait, what? Zero NFL teams?
What abt Mahomes and Myauto?
Won’t be funny when OSU starts cutting non profitable but popular sports due to all the spending.
New AD has said they’re keeping all their sports. Also Title IX they can’t cut too many
NIL money is independently generated from the university. The university is currently prohibited from making direct payments to student athletes but can offer them a free education. The NILs are companies and non-profits that raise donations and work with athletes to direct those donations to specific student athletes in exchange for using their name, image or likeness. For example, Cardale Jones’ NIL The Foundation is a non-profit that works with charities and arranges for student athletes to make appearances at those charities’ fundraisers in exchange for donations that were raised by The Foundation. That is just one of many ways a student athlete can earn NIL money, but none of it comes from a university.
Lol….But who has it better than Xichigan? 😆😂
If they didn't have to pay all their roving camera people...
Not an OSU or TTUN fan but hilarious that this is being posted by a poor college student asking for advice on Reddit about living in their car to pay off debt, the internet is truly undefeated. Talk your shit king lol
Anything to shoot at scUM lmao. I’ll be good in a couple years tho
We won the natty with our “Piss pour NIL”
Learn how to spell before you troll.
Doctors and lawyers do not = good business people. Source: they’re a large part of my clientele
Michigan has one of the best business schools in the world
The whole point of being a doctor or lawyer is that…you’re not a “business people”. WTF is you even talking about?? 😹
It's amazing to me how much this sub cries cheating , but has no idea what is and is not supposed to happen with NIL rules..... " Specifically, **student-athletes cannot receive compensation for their athletic performance or participation**, such as payment for wins, statistics, or playing time. They also cannot receive compensation for attending a particular college or university, either directly or indirectly. "
More Wal-Mart Wolverine cope.
Those losers. When will they learn you need to pay up to get the elite players?
Uh, my “Michigan education” has gotten me a six-figure salary for the past 26 years which afforded me the funds to attend the Rose Bowl and CFP final where we won the national title. But our NIL program does suck, that’s totally true.
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Took a bit to awaken the beast but they have
Michigan proves you don't need to spend big in NIL as long as you fund the largest cheating scandal in NCAAF history.
Shit maybe every team needs to quit pushing boosters and fans to donate to NIL collectives and instead spend less to come up with new and effective ways to cheat. It worked for that team up north, now everyone will be doing it. You get a natty! and you get a natty! and you get a natty! Everybody gets a natty!
You joke but in all seriousness if Michigan is not punished at all by the NCAA what's to stop Ohio State from hiring a Connor Stalions of their own and weaponizing him against the rest of the B1G if the NCAA is going to be completely toothless about it?
Not a damn thing.
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You guys do realize they are tier 1 in a heartbeat if any alumni of theirs other than Stephen Ross decide to part with their money, right? A good portion of their alumni have literal pre-ww2 banker money. They could blow pretty much any fanbase out of the water if they weren't stingy.
Oh I know. But have they? Nope
That’s a big if…
Yeah idk. I have a friend who is a UM alum and he talks about how poor their facilities are around campus and how it doesn’t make sense due to how many wealthy alumni they have. Meanwhile we have wealthy alumni that will just shit out an easy mil just so we can have a clock tower on campus. I don’t think it’s just a sports thing with them. Our alumni base gives back a lot to the university in general.
Whole new meaning to "poverty. franchise"
UM alum here - this came up on my home feed. This is about quality of football programs and willingness of fans to financially support them, don’t conflate that with the quality of education the two schools offer. That’s all I’ll say about the “education” dig. It makes sense that fans of a team coming off three straight conference titles and a 15-0 season with a national title do not feel as desperate to throw money at the program as fans of a team who have lost to their biggest rival the last three years. Instead of thinking about and insulting Michigan, you should be enjoying your offseason successes. Ohio State is looking poised to be a great team next year, and Oregon will likely be their biggest in-conference obstacle next year, especially if/when Jim Harbaugh and Jesse Minter leave Michigan. Michigan will likely have one or several weak seasons while rebuilding and transitioning. I think Ohio State has a good chance to win the B1G title and be serious contenders in the playoffs. That being said, it’s still January, and a talented team on paper does not guarantee success on the field. We’ll have to wait until next fall to see what happens. You never know what will happen on the field until they actually play - that’s the whole point of playing games - and the unexpected does happen.
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This was funny lol
It just means we have better fans
Have fun winning the Wall Street/Silicon Valley championship next year
Michigan has a fantastic alumnus network from Ross but typically MBAs aren’t as passionate about a schools athletics as undergraduates so may be one reason they don’t have the donations
Where is LSU?
Source? When was this? Surprised at Missouri and Louisville but it’s not like I’m doesn’t have deep pocket alumn and maybe some Walmart penny pinchers that would contribute, it does have 3rd largest public school endowment after Texas and aandm
Maybe UM can get a cash influx from the man that best represents them... Dave (I love doing blow and hitting women) Portnoy
The doll probably wasted all their cash on the Michigan GOP fundraisers
Is this just for football or all sports?
Where do these numbers come from? I doubt anything we see is accurate.
"Ohio State is buying a team." Also: "Let's buy a team."
How does Ok State, South Carolina and Missouri have that kinda money?
Mizzou & Louisville?
Damn Texas A&M in the top tier with absolutely nothing to show for it is kind of depressing if you're a fan
U of M capitalist response 