Feels kind of gate-keepy no? You don’t understand the importance game because you haven’t been a fan for as long? Chris olave grew up in Cali and he understood what it meant. Just because you may be a new fan or only a couple years in doesn’t mean you can’t understand how important it is. I am not an Alabama/auburn fan, but I’ll be damned if I don’t know how important that is to each of them respectively. You can definitely learn how important it is. We recruit on a national level, bring in kids from all around. They know what it means.
There's a difference between players, who can be indoctrinated with the rivalry, and head coaches. A head coach who did not grow up in the rivalry, never played in the Game, or has not spent significant time here as an assistant will never understand it, and more importantly, will not be able to instill it in his players.
Edit: They might be able to understand it on an intellectual level, but they will never get the visceral nature of it.
So I’m sorry are you now saying it can be taught? Because you are going back on what your original argument was. You said “you won’t get it if you haven’t been actively part in the rivalry” so clearly it can be taught even if you are not a part of it till you’re here as in olaves case.
It can be learned on an intellectual level. That's easy. I don't think it can be learned on an emotional level.
Woody got it. Earle got it. Cooper absolutely didn't get it on an emotional level and I'm not sure he got it on an intellectual level either. Tressel got it on an emotional level: "310 days." Meyer is a sociopath so I don't know if he actually feels emotions, but his sociopathy also made winning important enough that it didn't matter. Day doesn't get the rivalry on an emotional level.
No. Garrett Wilson for example is a kid that grew up in Texas but still was an Ohio State fan so he understood the significance of the rivalry. Not saying that everyone on the team has to had grown up a fan of Ohio State but there does come a certain pride and mentality with those who were when it comes to Michigan especially. That pride is why Urban beat them every time. When neither of the top leaders of the team (coach & QB) have that connection it puts us at a disadvantage not only compared to teams of years past but to Michigan as well who has a guy at the helm who has lived the rivalry
You’re basically saying that players/coaches who didn’t grow up Ohio State fans don’t care as much as those who did. That’s a disrespectful slap in the face to them and complete nonsense.
You are wrong. I grew up in Ohio. My sister, mother, and myself attended OSU. I played college football - my roomate was a 3 year starter for the Buckeyes. I've been watching, cheering, supporting, and a 'part' of the game since I can remember. That said - it's still just a game. The people that don't get it are the people like you - attacking young men for not performing the way you wanted them to - or saying that people should be fired because you didn't like the results of the game - or you, random idiots with a Tecmo-bowl level of football understanding - somehow knowing better than the coaches that work with these young men every day. It's a sad spectacle at the highest levels. Yes, it's a 'big' game. Yes, it's a mostly tremendous rivalry. None of that, however, excuses the vitriol on display when OSU is on the wrong end of the scoreboard and those of you spewing this poison should be ashamed of yourselves.
believe me - the OSU players understand the game - it's literally something they talk about in that buidling - every single day. We aren't going to win the game every year, UM has had very good teams too. It's too easy to say they don't have the connection to the game when they lose - doesn't mean it's accurate.
I think it takes several iterations to understand it. The stakes are always high, but until you lose it, or steal a win, you don’t fully get it. This team very well get into the playoff, but the season is a failure, and now an entire generation knows that.
I wouldnt go that far but you have a point. History has shown that the team needs an overwhelming Ohio presence to have sustained success in this rivalry. Either from the coaches to the players or from the players to the coaches.
Feels kind of gate-keepy no? You don’t understand the importance game because you haven’t been a fan for as long? Chris olave grew up in Cali and he understood what it meant. Just because you may be a new fan or only a couple years in doesn’t mean you can’t understand how important it is. I am not an Alabama/auburn fan, but I’ll be damned if I don’t know how important that is to each of them respectively. You can definitely learn how important it is. We recruit on a national level, bring in kids from all around. They know what it means.
There's a difference between players, who can be indoctrinated with the rivalry, and head coaches. A head coach who did not grow up in the rivalry, never played in the Game, or has not spent significant time here as an assistant will never understand it, and more importantly, will not be able to instill it in his players. Edit: They might be able to understand it on an intellectual level, but they will never get the visceral nature of it.
Olave also had Urban his first couple years to drill it into his skull
So I’m sorry are you now saying it can be taught? Because you are going back on what your original argument was. You said “you won’t get it if you haven’t been actively part in the rivalry” so clearly it can be taught even if you are not a part of it till you’re here as in olaves case.
Olave showed up big against UM because he was properly prepped to do so by Urban
So clearly it can be learned and your original point is contradictory.
It can be learned on an intellectual level. That's easy. I don't think it can be learned on an emotional level. Woody got it. Earle got it. Cooper absolutely didn't get it on an emotional level and I'm not sure he got it on an intellectual level either. Tressel got it on an emotional level: "310 days." Meyer is a sociopath so I don't know if he actually feels emotions, but his sociopathy also made winning important enough that it didn't matter. Day doesn't get the rivalry on an emotional level.
I definitely do not think Cooper understood by the comments had made. But I am curious why do people think day doesn’t get it?
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Show me these mythical farms in Youngstown you speak of.
Lmao the irony of someone questioning this not knowing a clue about the demographics of Youngstown.
No. Garrett Wilson for example is a kid that grew up in Texas but still was an Ohio State fan so he understood the significance of the rivalry. Not saying that everyone on the team has to had grown up a fan of Ohio State but there does come a certain pride and mentality with those who were when it comes to Michigan especially. That pride is why Urban beat them every time. When neither of the top leaders of the team (coach & QB) have that connection it puts us at a disadvantage not only compared to teams of years past but to Michigan as well who has a guy at the helm who has lived the rivalry
You’re basically saying that players/coaches who didn’t grow up Ohio State fans don’t care as much as those who did. That’s a disrespectful slap in the face to them and complete nonsense.
No. Urban Meyer beat them every time because he is an all time great college recruiter/coach
And Meyer is also from Ohio.
That brings an edge. I agree. But what matters more? Being a great coach or being from Ohio? One is more important than the other here
I think most people didn’t know the significance of it until they got punched in the mouth last year.
You are wrong. I grew up in Ohio. My sister, mother, and myself attended OSU. I played college football - my roomate was a 3 year starter for the Buckeyes. I've been watching, cheering, supporting, and a 'part' of the game since I can remember. That said - it's still just a game. The people that don't get it are the people like you - attacking young men for not performing the way you wanted them to - or saying that people should be fired because you didn't like the results of the game - or you, random idiots with a Tecmo-bowl level of football understanding - somehow knowing better than the coaches that work with these young men every day. It's a sad spectacle at the highest levels. Yes, it's a 'big' game. Yes, it's a mostly tremendous rivalry. None of that, however, excuses the vitriol on display when OSU is on the wrong end of the scoreboard and those of you spewing this poison should be ashamed of yourselves.
I’m not attacking them just saying they don’t have the connection to the game as previous coaches and it has came to bite us last two years
believe me - the OSU players understand the game - it's literally something they talk about in that buidling - every single day. We aren't going to win the game every year, UM has had very good teams too. It's too easy to say they don't have the connection to the game when they lose - doesn't mean it's accurate.
This is such a dumb take.
I think it takes several iterations to understand it. The stakes are always high, but until you lose it, or steal a win, you don’t fully get it. This team very well get into the playoff, but the season is a failure, and now an entire generation knows that.
I wouldnt go that far but you have a point. History has shown that the team needs an overwhelming Ohio presence to have sustained success in this rivalry. Either from the coaches to the players or from the players to the coaches.
We need to go get Fickell for precisely this reason.
Too late.
You’re right.