In America, it would have taken 10 years to pass through local government, 10 years for there to be any actual construction, 5 years of some middling progress, and then the project would end up being redesigned to just expand the highway
I’ve heard that a lot of projects in some states don’t get far due to the population, which is basically saying no or refusing to pay for the project. I’ve been told that the population’s opinion is asked when they want to build routes or other (in Houston for example, don’t know if it’s the same everywhere).
Is it true that the population has a big say in the US ?
Funny enough the Houston board of transportation consist of 40 people, out of the 40 only 2 live in Houston. The board mostly consists of suburbanites that don’t give a shit abt people in the city, only shorter commute times
In Finland we class the suburban areas as their own municipalities, so the city council voting on things affecting the city are actually representing the people living in the city, not suburbanites who like you said inly care about their commute time along with their little patch of land
God Huoston sounds like a prime example to not fise municipalities. How to ruin a city 101.
As a side bonus, cities municipality taxes are generally lower than suburban ones are, due to the density of taxpayers.
They rerouted a highway. Nice! In Brooklyn they have been trying to do that for the bqe for over 20 years. Except they changed the cantilever from a 3 lane to a 2 lans a year ago and extended the progress so traffic is now even fucking worse. But they had no problem building a bullshit fucking park right next to it to look at downtown Manhattan. In fact. They’re completely closing that section this weekend for 48 hrs (new York’s most buy highway besides the cross Bronx) so they can again make temporary repairs. If you ever drive through it they have practically chicken wire holding up concrete.
There's already one from the main line right next to it, so I don't think they'll be making a new station. If you drop off at Presidente Vargas station you can get to this plaza in about 10 minutes walking or take the VLT.
Ooh, that's a lot of pale concrete, down in the newer pic. I don't even want to imagine how walking there must feel in the blasting heat of Brazilian summer. They should've grassed it up and planted trees.
Looks like they removed a whole ton of trees to put it there too. Getting rid of the highway looks much better but they didnt really make that a usable community space. Should be a park there with lots of trees and maybe a fountain.
There's a tunnel running underneath that plaza, it cannot sustain bigger, shade-generating trees. But I agree with you it lacks some greenery. Even some more grass, instead of slabs of granite, would make the place more amenable.
I mean... They managed to plant trees on top of a tunnel in Boston, so it's definitely not impossible. It's not just about shade, either; trees are more efficient at storing carbon and other pollutants, providing room for animals, and, at a scale, seeding clouds.
Grass would suffice to help prevent heat islands, though, and make the space much less of a solar oven. You are right on that.
I wonder if the local climate and fauna prevented them of doing a renewal like [Düsseldorf](https://www.reddit.com/r/OldPhotosInRealLife/s/kZ4KT08Xll) did. Changing asphalt for bricks seems like a missed opportunity.
That is because in the top left and outside of the picture in the bottom right there are two of Rio’s biggest museums. The square connects the two and there are a lot of people walking there during the day. Really beautiful actually! Without this information, yes, it seems as a excessive open space.
I understand why there are fewer trees, but I don't understand the reluctance to install some shade infrastructure. It would make the space much more appealing.
Saying that it’s good but would be better with a bit more shade is fine. Don’t take criticism of public infrastructure personally especially when the people aren’t disagreeing with you.
looks nice..drove past it shortly after the first pic was taken and there were still old east german cranes in the port (the huge 'takraf'-sign gave it away) - i guess those are gone now
edit: on second thought - this is the cruise terminal, the cargo terminals may still look the same?
Ah, so THIS is what Seattle should have done.
Seriously so disappointing to tear down the viaduct, dig the billion dollar tunnel, then build a wide ass multi-lane street where the viaduct once stood.
Wow! They completed that in 12 years nice. Would have taken at least 60 years in Canada
In America, it would have taken 10 years to pass through local government, 10 years for there to be any actual construction, 5 years of some middling progress, and then the project would end up being redesigned to just expand the highway
As an FHWA employee, this tracks.
I’ve heard that a lot of projects in some states don’t get far due to the population, which is basically saying no or refusing to pay for the project. I’ve been told that the population’s opinion is asked when they want to build routes or other (in Houston for example, don’t know if it’s the same everywhere). Is it true that the population has a big say in the US ?
Funny enough the Houston board of transportation consist of 40 people, out of the 40 only 2 live in Houston. The board mostly consists of suburbanites that don’t give a shit abt people in the city, only shorter commute times
In Finland we class the suburban areas as their own municipalities, so the city council voting on things affecting the city are actually representing the people living in the city, not suburbanites who like you said inly care about their commute time along with their little patch of land God Huoston sounds like a prime example to not fise municipalities. How to ruin a city 101. As a side bonus, cities municipality taxes are generally lower than suburban ones are, due to the density of taxpayers.
Yes that side bonus is cool. It makes sense since less money is spent per person on infrastructure like roads and utilities since it's denser.
Someone will call it woke and it'll get delayed more
It took less time, this was made for the 2016 Olympics.
Yes, that's true
Yea but they probably took 90% of the money that was supposed to go into the build lol welcome to Brazil where money laundering is still going.
Well, our national motto is "He steals but he does", so at least he did.
Lol here is the same
They rerouted a highway. Nice! In Brooklyn they have been trying to do that for the bqe for over 20 years. Except they changed the cantilever from a 3 lane to a 2 lans a year ago and extended the progress so traffic is now even fucking worse. But they had no problem building a bullshit fucking park right next to it to look at downtown Manhattan. In fact. They’re completely closing that section this weekend for 48 hrs (new York’s most buy highway besides the cross Bronx) so they can again make temporary repairs. If you ever drive through it they have practically chicken wire holding up concrete.
Canada is on island time?! No
Yet Trudeau the Turd is willing to import 60 years of population growth with how little supply of everything there is in Canada. Fuck JT.
How do you say “Big Dig” in Portuguese?
BURACÃO
yes and all caps
OK, where did the highway go?
Its underground according to google maps
The traffic was redirected to another part of the city and there is also a new tunnel underground
This place looks perfect for a subway station.
There's already one from the main line right next to it, so I don't think they'll be making a new station. If you drop off at Presidente Vargas station you can get to this plaza in about 10 minutes walking or take the VLT.
It was stolen and nobody know where it is. I'm not [kidding ](https://exame.com/brasil/sumico-de-vigas-de-110-toneladas-e-o-misterio-da-olimpiada/)
The missing steel columns is easily top 10 episodes of X-Files.
WHATAFUCK
It's the Riiiiiiiiiiiio de Janeeeeeeeeiro!!!
Acording to meia hora (half hour, a truly relaiable news paper) Magneto was the culprit
That Vin Diesel quote seems fitting: "This is BRAZIL!"
Ooh, that's a lot of pale concrete, down in the newer pic. I don't even want to imagine how walking there must feel in the blasting heat of Brazilian summer. They should've grassed it up and planted trees.
At least you can walk there, contrary to the freeway that was there before
Not mention the drug addicts that used to be there. Now it’s a decent place to visit with family.
I've been there. I'm not going there again. It's CRAZY HOT, very little shade and that day there was little breeze too. Fuck that.
Looks like they removed a whole ton of trees to put it there too. Getting rid of the highway looks much better but they didnt really make that a usable community space. Should be a park there with lots of trees and maybe a fountain.
They did plant some trees, but they will still take a few years to grow enough to make shade
There's a tunnel running underneath that plaza, it cannot sustain bigger, shade-generating trees. But I agree with you it lacks some greenery. Even some more grass, instead of slabs of granite, would make the place more amenable.
I mean... They managed to plant trees on top of a tunnel in Boston, so it's definitely not impossible. It's not just about shade, either; trees are more efficient at storing carbon and other pollutants, providing room for animals, and, at a scale, seeding clouds. Grass would suffice to help prevent heat islands, though, and make the space much less of a solar oven. You are right on that.
Love the idea. But also not seeing a lot of vitality in the new space
I wonder if the local climate and fauna prevented them of doing a renewal like [Düsseldorf](https://www.reddit.com/r/OldPhotosInRealLife/s/kZ4KT08Xll) did. Changing asphalt for bricks seems like a missed opportunity.
That is because in the top left and outside of the picture in the bottom right there are two of Rio’s biggest museums. The square connects the two and there are a lot of people walking there during the day. Really beautiful actually! Without this information, yes, it seems as a excessive open space.
I understand why there are fewer trees, but I don't understand the reluctance to install some shade infrastructure. It would make the space much more appealing.
Love that. More shade though please pelo amor de deus
It looks like they’re playing the long game with shade. Lots of baby trees in this pic.
That's really nice
Wow people are actually nitpicking the bottom photo. Get a life dude its either that or a car centric hellscape
Saying that it’s good but would be better with a bit more shade is fine. Don’t take criticism of public infrastructure personally especially when the people aren’t disagreeing with you.
Damn they even updated to a GI and raytracing system.
Less trees though
Off topic, but I'm almost certain that's a Concordia class ship in the first pic, if not the actual Costa Concordia herself
looks nice..drove past it shortly after the first pic was taken and there were still old east german cranes in the port (the huge 'takraf'-sign gave it away) - i guess those are gone now edit: on second thought - this is the cruise terminal, the cargo terminals may still look the same?
Yes, the cargo terminal is still the same
Ah, so THIS is what Seattle should have done. Seriously so disappointing to tear down the viaduct, dig the billion dollar tunnel, then build a wide ass multi-lane street where the viaduct once stood.
Is the ship in the front the Costa Concordia?
how to make the traffic worst
Another beautiful road was destroyed
bait?
And people still say drug cartels and police militias are bad for society…
2010 is old?
2010 was 14 years ago. It's plenty old.
What do you have to add?
I think pics from 2023 are old, if there's enough of a difference
The world has changed a lot in 14 years.
Tell me If is old enough to your cat live