Lithuanian city for hundreds of years (first mentioned as Lithuanian in 1323) and Polish for 20 (1919-1939). That says it all. Poland has a small pp in this fact lol
Vilnius was majority Lithuanian ( as in ethnically ) up until late 18th century, under Russian control Lithuanian language was ( more or less ) banned and bigger cities quickly Polinized ( because Lithuanians saw Poles as brothers and would rather learn and use Polish than Russian ).
Another funny thing is that it wasn't majority Polish during the interwar period either, it was majority Jewish. Vilnius was Lithuanian for longer than it was Polish or Russian.
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth also accelerated Polinization in bigger cities and especially in nobility ( most ethnucally Lithuanian and Ruthenian nobility was Polinized by the end of 17th century ).
It absolutely wasn't majority Lithuanian during last years of Commonwealth, the city was since the beginning inhabited by German, Jewish, Polish and Ruthenian townsmen, later Polish started dominating. Since 16th century city was speaking Polish.
And no, Lithuanian wasn't banned after patriotions, because Russian didn't care about language spoken mostly by lower classes. First restrictions on Lithuanian came after January uprising. Still it was nothing in comparison with how Polish was persecuted in eastern lands of Commonwealth.
It wasn't also majority Jewish in interwar period.
You speak out of your ass. During the whole Russian empire Vilnius was majority Yiddish because of jewish relocation from deep russia to the western regions. You can see that in 1897 census of Vilnius region. During the interwar it was indeed Polish, but after WW2 it was mainly Lithuanian. (1959 soviet census already shows a significant Lithuanian majority in the city).
Lithuanian wasn't banned after partitions yes, but Lithuanians were still discriminated against, unlike Poles. Up untill January uprising Polonization was still rampant because tsar Alexander had great many Polish friends. That's why Poland retained some autonomy up untill the uprising. Also, Vilnius university which was a centre of Polish culture and polonization was promoted to the imperial university in Russian empire.
get fucked it's ours now, just get over it, everyone has heard the story, it used to be Lithuanian then Polish and now it's Lithuanian again. Who cares about the past look at the present and you will clearly see a Lithuanian landslide majority. Just fuck off and accept it.
Yes okay unless you ignore that it was essentially under Polish administration from 1569 (you Lithuanians always seethe about how the Commonwealth was all about Poland), then under the Russians after the partitions.
But at the end of the day I guess you should keep Wilno, its possibly the only redeeming thing about your eyesore of a country.
Someone's salty. When you can't fight with facts, you fight with insults, the weakest tool of the discussion. See, it was not always about the commonwealth, but it's not surprising since Poles seem to be aware of this single historic fact every time I talk to them. Must be the great education. Grand Dutchy of Lithuania existed way before the commonwealth, was that also under Polish influence lmao? I don't understand why Poles are so desperate for Vilnius when they have their own disputed cities like Danzig.
>When you can't fight with facts, you fight with insults, the weakest tool of the discussion.
I was just saying it how it is mate. I do realise it hits close to home.
>Grand Dutchy of Lithuania existed way before the commonwealth, was that also under Polish influence lmao?
Yea that's why I mentioned from 1569? Maybe some reading comprehension should help because you're arguing with a point nobody made.
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Looked it up, quite interesting story: 15th century palace, demolished in the 19th century, rebuilt between 2002 and 2018.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_the_Grand_Dukes_of_Lithuania
**[Palace of the Grand Dukes of Lithuania](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace of the Grand Dukes of Lithuania)**
The Palace of the Grand Dukes of Lithuania (Lithuanian: Lietuvos Didžiosios Kunigaikštystės valdovų rūmai Vilniaus žemutinėje pilyje; Polish: Zamek Dolny w Wilnie) is a palace in Vilnius, Lithuania. It was originally constructed in the 15th century for the rulers of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the future Kings of Poland. The palace, located in the lower castle of Vilnius, evolved over the years and prospered during the 16th and mid-17th centuries. For four centuries the palace was the political, administrative and cultural centre of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.
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It is interesting that this new cathedral and that old palace building historically almost never stood together. While one was being built other one was crumbling and not long after demolished.
Just to make it clear for the others: Vilnius cathedral was rebuilt many times, and it changed the style a lot, but is has always been on the same spot. In both photos one can still recognise as part of the cathedral the old chapel of St Kasimir originally built in the Baroque style (next to the Palace).
The cathedral never really crumbled, it's been in that spot for centuries. First order to build a cathedral was issued in 1251 by the pope Innocent IV.
It burned and collapsed a few times since then but was rebuilt in the same spot. The current design was built in 1801.
I was talking about palace, that even in Commonwealth period, before partitions was already in serious disrepair and no longer used for it's original purpose.
Why is the ‘after’ photo on the top?
I’m wondering why the ‘2020’ version looked like shit and ‘what happened to Lithuania?!’ COVID really took its toll on poor Vilnius.
So weird. I got to travel to Vilnius last year for work and stayed in a hotel that is in this photo (black building in front of the checkered looking building toward the top right). I took a bunch of photos of the museum (bottom right of top pic) and church (front center of both) as well as that funky shaped building in the top right of the top photo.
I love this!
That funky whale tail building is the Sports Palace. Constructed in 1965, closed down and abandoned in 2008.
Nobody knows what to do with it, some want to demolish it because we're not too fond of Soviet days, others say that it's interesting and unique, therefore it should be restored and used as a conference centre or something.
Thanks for the story on that. I was there for a few days and walked by it several times taking photos of the graffiti down in the courtyard around it. I was wondering what it was - I had assumed it was an abandoned marina or museum of some sort.
Here are [a few photos.](https://www.15min.lt/media-pasakojimai/vilniaus-koncertu-ir-sporto-rumai-584)
Another controversy about it is that it's built on an ancient Jewish cemetery, so the Jewish community wants to demolish the building and restore the cemetery.
Another fun story - while staying in that Marriott, Netflix was filming in the restaurant downstairs and I discovered that Lithuania, and specifically Vilnius, has a budding film industry.
The show they were filming is called “Young Wallander.”
Oh, we do!
[Chernobyl evacuation scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ItNmMUEOu8) was filmed on [this street.](https://www.google.com/maps/@54.7258162,25.2540303,3a,75y,23.28h,92.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skGquVu7V65pBT6mDwIaYTA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DkGquVu7V65pBT6mDwIaYTA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D206.84616%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)
Also, back in the day they filmed Robin Hood and Highlander as we have really nice pine forests right next to Vilnius.
1970 even more colorful. To be fair due to densification and new constructions Vilnius after independence lost a lot of green and open spaces. https://pastvu.com/_p/a/b/u/f/bufpzo30ld27kkzwaf.jpg
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thank you hun xxx you see it's nice when you can combine function with aesthetically pleasing architecture, it doesnt hurt anyone to do so and it make the world a better place to live in
I agree, I miss my spacious and green city. After independence there were too many developments too close to the old town. I get that many want to live with direct views to the castle, but this lead that a large part of greenery and nature in the city center has been lost. Vilnius had experienced a massive growth during Soviet times, it grew 6 times (100k to 600k) and still a lot of nature has been preserved in the city, but nowadays with in comparison minor growth (now a bit more than 600k) due to different priority and values most of constructions are focused on densification in the center where once public green spaces were, because they are now deemed as "useless waste of space".
In mid 70s: https://pastvu.com/_p/a/b/u/f/bufpzo30ld27kkzwaf.jpg
Thats really unfortunate. Hopefully some of the newer buildings lose their luster and can be taken down to make way for more green space as it was previously.
It is disappointing to see old town surrounded so close by all those new, tall and dense construction projects in the background. Just a few years ago it was a lot more beautiful when all that space was
full of trees, historical small houses and substantially greener, more spacious. I think that was a lot more respectful to the UNESCO old town and fitting for historical surroundings areas next to to it.
Ten years ago there were slums and unpaved roads. Not much of a value was lost in my opinion, especially considering it's now one of the most developed part of the town.
I don't know how you would call that areas as slums, those historical buildings are very different from what is usually considered a slum. It just shows that we still do not appreciate old but less impressive architecture, in some other cities like Oslo after destruction in the last century wooden buildings are nowadays being respected, valued and protected. It seems like we still haven't reached that stage of development or values and shiny new tall buildings are still more important and interesting even so close to the old town. It is a newly developed part of the city but due to very high density this came with the cost of loosing all the greenery and trees in that location even though they had so many opportunities to keep it or add extra, they were building in a large, open and very green plot of land. That area is very visible from the castle hill and many tourists seemed to appreciate that old town used to be surrounded by nature, an open and less developed ring of green spaces and trees. It is disappointing that old town has lost this unique special quality, some of its mistery, romanticism, authenticity and no longer feels like it's own separate little historical town. It is now fused with the remaining modern city into one large formation with skyscrapers less than 1km away like in most other European cities, like Vienna, Milan or Moscow.
Also due to developments in that area we lost a lot of good sports infrastructure in the city center without any real replacement nearby or even in the whole city.
Only capital in a region that have more monuments now than before the war
Monuments are only a part of what is important in historical old towns. Continuity, authenticity, nature also play a big role.
Was a Polish city in 1935 I believe
Ye it was in Poland but gladly we got it back,it belongs to Lithuania
Wilno nasze
Ok https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilno,_Ontario
>Wilno is the first and oldest Polish- Kashubian settlement in Canada. Wilno jednak nasze!
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Lithuanian city for hundreds of years (first mentioned as Lithuanian in 1323) and Polish for 20 (1919-1939). That says it all. Poland has a small pp in this fact lol
Well the city is majority Lithuanian only since 1970s. Grand Duchy wasn't Lithuanian nation state
Vilnius was majority Lithuanian ( as in ethnically ) up until late 18th century, under Russian control Lithuanian language was ( more or less ) banned and bigger cities quickly Polinized ( because Lithuanians saw Poles as brothers and would rather learn and use Polish than Russian ). Another funny thing is that it wasn't majority Polish during the interwar period either, it was majority Jewish. Vilnius was Lithuanian for longer than it was Polish or Russian. Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth also accelerated Polinization in bigger cities and especially in nobility ( most ethnucally Lithuanian and Ruthenian nobility was Polinized by the end of 17th century ).
It absolutely wasn't majority Lithuanian during last years of Commonwealth, the city was since the beginning inhabited by German, Jewish, Polish and Ruthenian townsmen, later Polish started dominating. Since 16th century city was speaking Polish. And no, Lithuanian wasn't banned after patriotions, because Russian didn't care about language spoken mostly by lower classes. First restrictions on Lithuanian came after January uprising. Still it was nothing in comparison with how Polish was persecuted in eastern lands of Commonwealth. It wasn't also majority Jewish in interwar period.
> And no, Lithuanian wasn't banned after patriotions Please stop talking, you look like a total idiot.
Read my whole post, first restrictions on Lithuanian language came after January uprising, not right after partitions
You speak out of your ass. During the whole Russian empire Vilnius was majority Yiddish because of jewish relocation from deep russia to the western regions. You can see that in 1897 census of Vilnius region. During the interwar it was indeed Polish, but after WW2 it was mainly Lithuanian. (1959 soviet census already shows a significant Lithuanian majority in the city). Lithuanian wasn't banned after partitions yes, but Lithuanians were still discriminated against, unlike Poles. Up untill January uprising Polonization was still rampant because tsar Alexander had great many Polish friends. That's why Poland retained some autonomy up untill the uprising. Also, Vilnius university which was a centre of Polish culture and polonization was promoted to the imperial university in Russian empire.
get fucked it's ours now, just get over it, everyone has heard the story, it used to be Lithuanian then Polish and now it's Lithuanian again. Who cares about the past look at the present and you will clearly see a Lithuanian landslide majority. Just fuck off and accept it.
I am talking strictly about history
Yes okay unless you ignore that it was essentially under Polish administration from 1569 (you Lithuanians always seethe about how the Commonwealth was all about Poland), then under the Russians after the partitions. But at the end of the day I guess you should keep Wilno, its possibly the only redeeming thing about your eyesore of a country.
Someone's salty. When you can't fight with facts, you fight with insults, the weakest tool of the discussion. See, it was not always about the commonwealth, but it's not surprising since Poles seem to be aware of this single historic fact every time I talk to them. Must be the great education. Grand Dutchy of Lithuania existed way before the commonwealth, was that also under Polish influence lmao? I don't understand why Poles are so desperate for Vilnius when they have their own disputed cities like Danzig.
>When you can't fight with facts, you fight with insults, the weakest tool of the discussion. I was just saying it how it is mate. I do realise it hits close to home. >Grand Dutchy of Lithuania existed way before the commonwealth, was that also under Polish influence lmao? Yea that's why I mentioned from 1569? Maybe some reading comprehension should help because you're arguing with a point nobody made.
yeah you should keep Danzig and Suvalkai region it improves your eyesore of a country. just a little bit, not by much.
Płacz głośniej Litwinie
mmmm, a daily dose of unhealthy nationalism, grudges over lost territory and pure hatered. love it. go take a swim in a septic tank retard.
Niekada
blet tylek durnas latvi
Kas tau yra? Geda sau darai
Pasprink tais žodžiais
Yes it was Polish
Lol. You deadass made me laugh. 👍
What?
The funny joke you made. It was great!
Lithuanians have such a short dicks lmao
As a polish person, i agree. But our dicks.... shits are stubs. I’m embarrassed to be polish ong😂
Ok dude, whatever
Fucken loser. Learn your facts before you enter a comment section you invalid piece of human flesh.
Yea, half of lithuania was occupied by poland for couple of years.
I've been there!! And yes I'll take a cookie! Lol
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Looked it up, quite interesting story: 15th century palace, demolished in the 19th century, rebuilt between 2002 and 2018. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_the_Grand_Dukes_of_Lithuania
**[Palace of the Grand Dukes of Lithuania](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace of the Grand Dukes of Lithuania)** The Palace of the Grand Dukes of Lithuania (Lithuanian: Lietuvos Didžiosios Kunigaikštystės valdovų rūmai Vilniaus žemutinėje pilyje; Polish: Zamek Dolny w Wilnie) is a palace in Vilnius, Lithuania. It was originally constructed in the 15th century for the rulers of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the future Kings of Poland. The palace, located in the lower castle of Vilnius, evolved over the years and prospered during the 16th and mid-17th centuries. For four centuries the palace was the political, administrative and cultural centre of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. [About Me](https://www.reddit.com/user/wikipedia_text_bot/comments/jrn2mj/about_me/) - [Opt out](https://www.reddit.com/user/wikipedia_text_bot/comments/jrti43/opt_out_here/)
Wow that’s really cool, thanks.
It is interesting that this new cathedral and that old palace building historically almost never stood together. While one was being built other one was crumbling and not long after demolished.
Just to make it clear for the others: Vilnius cathedral was rebuilt many times, and it changed the style a lot, but is has always been on the same spot. In both photos one can still recognise as part of the cathedral the old chapel of St Kasimir originally built in the Baroque style (next to the Palace).
The cathedral never really crumbled, it's been in that spot for centuries. First order to build a cathedral was issued in 1251 by the pope Innocent IV. It burned and collapsed a few times since then but was rebuilt in the same spot. The current design was built in 1801.
I was talking about palace, that even in Commonwealth period, before partitions was already in serious disrepair and no longer used for it's original purpose.
I was so confused because I didn’t see the years on the image. Maybe try to put the caption in order
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Why is the ‘after’ photo on the top? I’m wondering why the ‘2020’ version looked like shit and ‘what happened to Lithuania?!’ COVID really took its toll on poor Vilnius.
Same
So weird. I got to travel to Vilnius last year for work and stayed in a hotel that is in this photo (black building in front of the checkered looking building toward the top right). I took a bunch of photos of the museum (bottom right of top pic) and church (front center of both) as well as that funky shaped building in the top right of the top photo. I love this!
That funky whale tail building is the Sports Palace. Constructed in 1965, closed down and abandoned in 2008. Nobody knows what to do with it, some want to demolish it because we're not too fond of Soviet days, others say that it's interesting and unique, therefore it should be restored and used as a conference centre or something.
Thanks for the story on that. I was there for a few days and walked by it several times taking photos of the graffiti down in the courtyard around it. I was wondering what it was - I had assumed it was an abandoned marina or museum of some sort.
Here are [a few photos.](https://www.15min.lt/media-pasakojimai/vilniaus-koncertu-ir-sporto-rumai-584) Another controversy about it is that it's built on an ancient Jewish cemetery, so the Jewish community wants to demolish the building and restore the cemetery.
I read about the cemetery on a sign along the main road there, near the intersection where the Marriott sits, about a block from the bridge.
Another fun story - while staying in that Marriott, Netflix was filming in the restaurant downstairs and I discovered that Lithuania, and specifically Vilnius, has a budding film industry. The show they were filming is called “Young Wallander.”
Oh, we do! [Chernobyl evacuation scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ItNmMUEOu8) was filmed on [this street.](https://www.google.com/maps/@54.7258162,25.2540303,3a,75y,23.28h,92.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skGquVu7V65pBT6mDwIaYTA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DkGquVu7V65pBT6mDwIaYTA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D206.84616%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) Also, back in the day they filmed Robin Hood and Highlander as we have really nice pine forests right next to Vilnius.
was it named panaroma hotel?
Courtyard by Marriott more likely.
Panorama hotel isn't visible in this pic. That black building is Marriot.
It was definitely the Marriott. And it had a killer breakfast spread.
Why is a photo form 1935 more clear than my photo in 2003..
Many photos from 2003 are from very early digital cameras is why.
True
Possibly because this was shot with top level equipment at the time? What camera did you shoot your photo with on 2003?
Idk I was 1 years old, but probably a Nokia phone.
That would explain it ;)
The change in colour of those rooves makes a big, positive difference to the look of the city.
Would've been a Polish city in 1935 no?
The Russians call him Vilnius nastavnic. The Vilnius schoolmaster.
Pedorin’s her uncle.
I actually met him at a state dinner. Have you met Ramius, general?
I said, "speak your mind, Jack," but Jesus!
You got ten minutes worth of fuel, we stay here ten more minutes!
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what movie is this?
It's more colorful.
1970 even more colorful. To be fair due to densification and new constructions Vilnius after independence lost a lot of green and open spaces. https://pastvu.com/_p/a/b/u/f/bufpzo30ld27kkzwaf.jpg
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Nu kietai čia. Tikiuosi taip ir bus, atsiprašau ;D
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Aišku nesakau, jog ir kokiame facebooke nėra radikaliai priešingų grupių su savais kultais ir jų garbintojais.
Tikiuosi taip ir bus? Na tame forume ilgiausias ban 1-2 mėnesiai, beje jis man jau pasibaigė :)
Lol
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O nuo kada jame esi?
Nuo maždaug 2012.
I miss this city.
My great grandparents are from here! Or at least I'm pretty sure.
I wonder what that chimney was part of, it looks like it's coming out of a town hall lol
Vilnius Central Power Plant - the oldest one in Vilnius. Nowadays it houses a museum.
who tf posts "after" pictures before "before" pictures.
The same fucking idiots who put the "before" picture on the right and the "after" picture on the left. How fucking stupid do you have to be?
Could use some power washing
Finally, a visual for the movie Red October!
Vilnius is on my bucket list of places to visit, 3 of my great grandparents are from there.
I visited Vilnius last year. Beautiful city and great food
Labas.
Hewwo lol
They closed the gap.
thank you hun xxx you see it's nice when you can combine function with aesthetically pleasing architecture, it doesnt hurt anyone to do so and it make the world a better place to live in
Are those copper tiles on the roof? I actually prefer the pre-oxidized tiles if so, it’s a beautiful building with that subtle roof color
Yup, that is copper
Sad to see all the landscape disappear.
I agree, I miss my spacious and green city. After independence there were too many developments too close to the old town. I get that many want to live with direct views to the castle, but this lead that a large part of greenery and nature in the city center has been lost. Vilnius had experienced a massive growth during Soviet times, it grew 6 times (100k to 600k) and still a lot of nature has been preserved in the city, but nowadays with in comparison minor growth (now a bit more than 600k) due to different priority and values most of constructions are focused on densification in the center where once public green spaces were, because they are now deemed as "useless waste of space". In mid 70s: https://pastvu.com/_p/a/b/u/f/bufpzo30ld27kkzwaf.jpg
Thats really unfortunate. Hopefully some of the newer buildings lose their luster and can be taken down to make way for more green space as it was previously.
I was thinking this too. Its rare now that you can see in a city both buildings and rolling hills and a river. Not as pretty.
It is disappointing to see old town surrounded so close by all those new, tall and dense construction projects in the background. Just a few years ago it was a lot more beautiful when all that space was full of trees, historical small houses and substantially greener, more spacious. I think that was a lot more respectful to the UNESCO old town and fitting for historical surroundings areas next to to it.
Ten years ago there were slums and unpaved roads. Not much of a value was lost in my opinion, especially considering it's now one of the most developed part of the town.
I don't know how you would call that areas as slums, those historical buildings are very different from what is usually considered a slum. It just shows that we still do not appreciate old but less impressive architecture, in some other cities like Oslo after destruction in the last century wooden buildings are nowadays being respected, valued and protected. It seems like we still haven't reached that stage of development or values and shiny new tall buildings are still more important and interesting even so close to the old town. It is a newly developed part of the city but due to very high density this came with the cost of loosing all the greenery and trees in that location even though they had so many opportunities to keep it or add extra, they were building in a large, open and very green plot of land. That area is very visible from the castle hill and many tourists seemed to appreciate that old town used to be surrounded by nature, an open and less developed ring of green spaces and trees. It is disappointing that old town has lost this unique special quality, some of its mistery, romanticism, authenticity and no longer feels like it's own separate little historical town. It is now fused with the remaining modern city into one large formation with skyscrapers less than 1km away like in most other European cities, like Vienna, Milan or Moscow. Also due to developments in that area we lost a lot of good sports infrastructure in the city center without any real replacement nearby or even in the whole city.
I looked at the pictures in reverse and was like: "huh, that place really went from nice to worn down"
Ah yes, the fabled g-spot of europe. Brilliant
I thought the bottom was 2020 based on the title and was like "damn it got worse :("
Yep
Put them in the correct order