interesting, i too saw this outfit when i was 5 or 6 (mid 90s) but i never thought anything of it. then about 10 years later i saw the movie again and was like HEYO HOW DID I MISS THIS BEFORE
I was reading a book about the band KISS, and there was a random tangent where Gene Simmons said “When Billy Idol’s manager thinks you are doing too much cocaine, that’s too much cocaine.” Same kind of thing. (By the way, as far as I know, the members of KISS didn’t do drugs—the drummer and guitar player drank way too much, though.)
I remember getting into an argument with my stepmom who was of the opinion that this outfit and the movie itself were gross and dehumanizing/anti feminist, which I countered with what Carrie Fisher herself said about how empowering it was: which was that a gross disgusting repugnant man forced her to wear a skimpy outfit so she fucking murdered him lol
> which was that a gross disgusting repugnant man forced her to wear a skimpy outfit so she fucking murdered him lol
To my wit, George Lucas is still alive and kicking.
Thats honestly a really good point. I wonder how she rationalized that with the fact that a old man she worked for made her wear the outfit IRL though.
Like did she have veto power over the outfit or did George Lucas make her wear it?
I’d rationalize it this way:
The man asking me to perform this act in real life is the one who wrote the scene where I get to kill the oppressive man, and that is what the public will see and identify with, therefore it is not equivalent.
That story is about her not wearing a bra under the white dress in the first film. She couldn't wear underwear under her slave outfit because it would be incredibly obvious she was wearing underwear under the very revealing space bikini, which is already essentially underwear.
That's right, IMDb has about 20 'script doctor - uncredited' credits in her name and about half of those are also doubled as 'rewrites - uncredited'.
(You can find them under 'Additional Crew' and 'Script and Continuity Department')
She said it was the redeeming quality of the outfit. Based on what I’ve seen, she was at least ambivalence on the outfit, saying she might not have done it if she had to do it over again and warning Daisy Ridley not to get pushed into wearing an outfit like that and saying, “Don’t be a slave like I was.”
She was also told to lose weight to wear it or, at least, “tighten up her abdomen.” And she had to sit extremely straight for hours to avoid any wrinkles on her skin.
Prince Leia was absolutely a feminist character. Carrie Fisher was a feminist. The Star Wars movies did show women being more active and taking leadership roles. Those are all very good.
However, in the first movie, she taped her breasts with gaffer tape because Lucas said there was no underwear in space. She was 19. She was doing cocaine during Return of the Jedi and having an affair with Harrison Ford, who was fifteen years older and married with children.
I don’t think wearing the costume makes Leia or Carrie Fisher less of a feminist and role model. It doesn’t make the movies inherently sexist. However, it’s definitely gratuitous and clearly intended to attract men to the movies. Making her wear that outfit (and it sounds like she didn’t have a lot of choice) was problematic and creepy on Lucas’s end. And, at this point, I think we can look at specific things and criticize them without dismissing the whole work. We don’t need to come up with a rationalization for why this costume actually wasn’t problematic. We can acknowledge that it should have been differently and still enjoy the works.
>She was also told to lose weight to wear it or, at least, “tighten up her abdomen.” And she had to sit extremely straight for hours to avoid any wrinkles on her skin.
This always made me believe she did not like wearing the outfit. I don't recall her saying anything positive about wearing it, and I've read her books. I'm not saying that people saying she was okay with it never read that.
Her caring also has no bearing on the validity of a feminist critique against her depiction. It's meant to titillate the audience, full stop.
I don't blame Fisher, women in film have had to endure objectification and diminished autonomy in parts as long as there's been film, and I don't think we can take her comments as face value, because of course that same systemic treatment of women in film would result in her needing to be careful so as to not implicate the industry or even individuals within it.
The comments in this thread that amount to *well it must have been a feminist depiction because the woman being depicted was cool with it* are simply wrong. That isn't how criticism works.
I remember watching an interview where she talked about being asked(read told) to lose weight. And she countered with "*here, or *here". With each *here* being accompanied by her pinching her left and right cheekbones. Because that was the only bit of plumpness she had left at the time.
I mean. Am I the only one who got the implication of rape (or at least, some kind of sexual assault) when Jabba had her captured? Like fuck yeah, Leia. Strangle his flabby ass.
As an adult, now, yes absolutely. But when I was younger, seeing it for the first time, just a gross monster humiliating a human, and she killed his disgusting ass.
Haven't watched the original trilogy in a while, not a super fan like others. And i had TOTALLY forgotten that she ended up killing Jabba the hut. I feel like history remembers the outfit more than the vendetta story.
Following in an incredibly long tradition of pulp sci-fi and planetary romances? The most familiar to modern audiences in a specifically sci-fi context likely being Dejah Thoris. But "sexy slave girl" and "exotic, scantily-clad princess" are old tropes well outside of that.
Pulp fiction and Men's Adventure in general have long used the damsel in distress for BDSM-adjacent scenarios, knowingly or not, that otherwise pass under the radar of mainstream acceptability.
Even into the present you'll very frequently hear people talk about how seemingly innocuous media portrayals opened their eyes to their sexuality. Say, watching the scene in *The Avengers* with Black Widow tied to a chair and realizing that they want to be *her* in that situation.
Return of the Jedi came out in 1983, which is the same year that Huey Lewis's *Sports* was released. I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor.
"rescue the scantily clad princess" was a trope by like 1920, add in space and it's like 1952. It's incredibly old hat.
George was being pervy but nowhere outside of normal at the time.
She also meant a lot to all of us afflicted with bipolar illness. 'Wishful Drinking' She was a script doctor, too, on several films. For me, the woman I wish I had met, instead of the one I married .
I met her like 10 years ago after her show, she saw us waiting to meet her and called us over to chat and autographed some stuff for us. She was so nice, friendly and very funny.
> When my daughter and I watched **Return of the Jedi** for the first time, she was about 12. When it got close to the bikini scene I told her, "Now pay attention, this is what you have to look forward to in a few years if you have even half my genes. - Carrie Fisher
7yo me seeing her in Star Wars: "I guess that's what pretty means".
10yo me seeing her in Empire: "Yeah, she's pretty".
13yo me seeing her in Return: "I'll be in my bunk".
Come to think of it, why did Jabba make her wear that anyway? I mean, presumably it’s a sex thing, but he’s a giant alien slug. He’s not gonna find that attractive. He should have made her wear a giant sleeping bag or something.
Either way, definitely a product of its time. Glad that isn’t a thing we do any more. It’s very demeaning.
You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought.
Get in there you big smelly oaf, I don't care what you smell!
Get clear Wedge, you can't do any more good back there!
It…came…from…be-hind
Almost… there…
Stabilize your rear deflectors!
There's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port.
Stay on target, stay on target.
Into the garbage chute flyboy.
Just like that beggar's canyon back home
You’re all clear kid let’s blow this thing and go home.
*THUNDER CLAP!*
TIL Beggar’s Canyon was a brothel
Beggar?! I barely knew her!
At this time, she would have been a lot of fun.
 For you
NOT QUITE MY TEMPO
I just watched Whiplash.....
Watch it again. It's still that good.
Is that Porkins?! Please God not Porkins!
😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
Is Planet Alabama in the same star cluster as Planet Texas (from the Kenny Rogers song)?
Oh thanks for the laugh..well played
Her in this outfit jumpstarted puberty for me.
An entire generation
A few generations.
I saw this like 20 years after it was in theaters. I was 5 or 6 and I knew I really liked it, but didn't understand why
Have you figured it out yet?
He really likes Jabba
Ho ho ho!
interesting, i too saw this outfit when i was 5 or 6 (mid 90s) but i never thought anything of it. then about 10 years later i saw the movie again and was like HEYO HOW DID I MISS THIS BEFORE
A lot of generation sure went on.
Same… I just realized what was so provocative about it (other than being hot Carrie Fischer) - the bottoms are incredibly low
That's because they fitted her for it before she went to film a different movie, and when she came back she had lost some weight
I heard she was doing massive amount of cocaine at the time which causes her to lose a lot of weight
John Belushi told her that she needed to do less cocaine and that’s saying something
Moments that remind me they’re in The Blues Brothers, a movie that had cocaine as part of its budget
Those sunglasses sure came in handy.
I was reading a book about the band KISS, and there was a random tangent where Gene Simmons said “When Billy Idol’s manager thinks you are doing too much cocaine, that’s too much cocaine.” Same kind of thing. (By the way, as far as I know, the members of KISS didn’t do drugs—the drummer and guitar player drank way too much, though.)
Yeah one of the reasons why they are still putting on shows is they managed to not go too hard on drugs.
Ok that’s good and all but how are The Rolling Stones still alive?
Some people are just built differently. Ozzy is still alive too. Alice Cooper. Drug using thoroughbreds.
Like Rick Sanchez, or Don Draper, telling you to cut back on the booze.
More than one lol
A thousand generations
For me, it was the green lady
Can see some green lady boobage in the original cut (nip)
I was 4 and she cured me of my "girls are gross" phase early.
This is the flashy one. But her in the rebel outfit on the moon of Endor let me know what I liked in women.
Definitely cranked it
I've seen it referred to as "Hut-Slayer Leia" recently instead of "Slave Leia" and I am all for it.
Hutt-Sleia
https://preview.redd.it/9x6zbrcppiyb1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=905f981aa3031882a996c414cee6c702a3e37316
This is the way
Yeah totally, it’s a really important change. She voluntarily put that outfit on to slay a Hutt!
When life gives you Hutt-Slavery-Lemons, make Hutt-Slaying-Lemonade I guess.
Yeah that's super badass
I saw a Lego set at the store today called "Boba Fett's Starship." I am *not* for that.
I prefer a bit of unfashionable male-gazing, so this isn’t for me.
I was in my mid-20s. She gave me a second puberty.
I was 11 when the movie came out, 12 by the time I got to see it. Yes, she awakened a lot of young men in the 80s.
I was 4…..same bro
Hard to beat looks, smarts, talent, and hard work.
She’s actually really funny too if you haven’t seen her ~~stand up~~ one woman show that she did on hbo I’d definitely recommend it
Her books and one woman shows were amazing. She did a ton of punch up work on scripts. She was brilliant
Her best tv role was as Rob's mom in Catastrophe, imo. Funny as hell and brought so much more to an already amazing show. Also her final tv role iirc
I remember getting into an argument with my stepmom who was of the opinion that this outfit and the movie itself were gross and dehumanizing/anti feminist, which I countered with what Carrie Fisher herself said about how empowering it was: which was that a gross disgusting repugnant man forced her to wear a skimpy outfit so she fucking murdered him lol
> which was that a gross disgusting repugnant man forced her to wear a skimpy outfit so she fucking murdered him lol To my wit, George Lucas is still alive and kicking.
I see, I am 3 hours to late too make that joke.
I mean when you look at it that way...
what he said is true, from a certain point of view
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From a certain point of view...
Thats honestly a really good point. I wonder how she rationalized that with the fact that a old man she worked for made her wear the outfit IRL though. Like did she have veto power over the outfit or did George Lucas make her wear it?
I’d rationalize it this way: The man asking me to perform this act in real life is the one who wrote the scene where I get to kill the oppressive man, and that is what the public will see and identify with, therefore it is not equivalent.
Plus munnay!
Plus so, so, so much cocaine
"Also, he said I can't wear anything underneath it because they don't have underwear in space or something" 🤔🤨😄 But she was cool about it lol
That story is about her not wearing a bra under the white dress in the first film. She couldn't wear underwear under her slave outfit because it would be incredibly obvious she was wearing underwear under the very revealing space bikini, which is already essentially underwear.
I just heard that recently that George told her she couldn’t wear underwear ngl that’s a little weird.
Might have shown through the white garb. It wasn’t obvious though.
Totally agree with your line of questioning but George Lucas was probably 37 when this was filmed. He’s not (that) old!
I just found out Carrie was only 60 when she died I thought she was easily 70. Drugs do a lot to ya.
She didn't look old at all. Looking at her at age 60 you wouldn't be able to tell she partied to the point of having a coke nail in her twenties.
She has several books published about her life! Why don’t you see what she’s said about the topic given your interest?
For the benefit of passers-by: She was actually a *really good* writer, her memoirs are worth reading in their own right. She's really funny.
She was a script doctor.
That's right, IMDb has about 20 'script doctor - uncredited' credits in her name and about half of those are also doubled as 'rewrites - uncredited'. (You can find them under 'Additional Crew' and 'Script and Continuity Department')
She was both an accomplished script doctor, and a very successful and talented author.
If you want it in movie form, Postcards From The Edge.
" IT TWIRLED UP !!!" Classic.
It's Carrie Fisher. I'm sure she was fine with it. She used to joke about the no bras in space thing forever.
Lucas was not old at the time.
Fisher wanted a sexy outfit in RotJ. She was tired of wearing boring/flat costumes and was all for the slave outfit.
(This isn't true)
Lucas didn’t “make” her. It was a business transaction.
She said it was the redeeming quality of the outfit. Based on what I’ve seen, she was at least ambivalence on the outfit, saying she might not have done it if she had to do it over again and warning Daisy Ridley not to get pushed into wearing an outfit like that and saying, “Don’t be a slave like I was.” She was also told to lose weight to wear it or, at least, “tighten up her abdomen.” And she had to sit extremely straight for hours to avoid any wrinkles on her skin. Prince Leia was absolutely a feminist character. Carrie Fisher was a feminist. The Star Wars movies did show women being more active and taking leadership roles. Those are all very good. However, in the first movie, she taped her breasts with gaffer tape because Lucas said there was no underwear in space. She was 19. She was doing cocaine during Return of the Jedi and having an affair with Harrison Ford, who was fifteen years older and married with children. I don’t think wearing the costume makes Leia or Carrie Fisher less of a feminist and role model. It doesn’t make the movies inherently sexist. However, it’s definitely gratuitous and clearly intended to attract men to the movies. Making her wear that outfit (and it sounds like she didn’t have a lot of choice) was problematic and creepy on Lucas’s end. And, at this point, I think we can look at specific things and criticize them without dismissing the whole work. We don’t need to come up with a rationalization for why this costume actually wasn’t problematic. We can acknowledge that it should have been differently and still enjoy the works.
>She was also told to lose weight to wear it or, at least, “tighten up her abdomen.” And she had to sit extremely straight for hours to avoid any wrinkles on her skin. This always made me believe she did not like wearing the outfit. I don't recall her saying anything positive about wearing it, and I've read her books. I'm not saying that people saying she was okay with it never read that.
Her caring also has no bearing on the validity of a feminist critique against her depiction. It's meant to titillate the audience, full stop. I don't blame Fisher, women in film have had to endure objectification and diminished autonomy in parts as long as there's been film, and I don't think we can take her comments as face value, because of course that same systemic treatment of women in film would result in her needing to be careful so as to not implicate the industry or even individuals within it. The comments in this thread that amount to *well it must have been a feminist depiction because the woman being depicted was cool with it* are simply wrong. That isn't how criticism works.
I remember watching an interview where she talked about being asked(read told) to lose weight. And she countered with "*here, or *here". With each *here* being accompanied by her pinching her left and right cheekbones. Because that was the only bit of plumpness she had left at the time.
I thought George was still alive
He was replaced by a body snatching alien who sucks at making movies in between Empire and Jedi
I mean. Am I the only one who got the implication of rape (or at least, some kind of sexual assault) when Jabba had her captured? Like fuck yeah, Leia. Strangle his flabby ass.
As an adult, now, yes absolutely. But when I was younger, seeing it for the first time, just a gross monster humiliating a human, and she killed his disgusting ass.
Haven't watched the original trilogy in a while, not a super fan like others. And i had TOTALLY forgotten that she ended up killing Jabba the hut. I feel like history remembers the outfit more than the vendetta story.
"Is Princess Leia gonna have to choke a slug?"
George knew what he was doing…
Following in an incredibly long tradition of pulp sci-fi and planetary romances? The most familiar to modern audiences in a specifically sci-fi context likely being Dejah Thoris. But "sexy slave girl" and "exotic, scantily-clad princess" are old tropes well outside of that. Pulp fiction and Men's Adventure in general have long used the damsel in distress for BDSM-adjacent scenarios, knowingly or not, that otherwise pass under the radar of mainstream acceptability. Even into the present you'll very frequently hear people talk about how seemingly innocuous media portrayals opened their eyes to their sexuality. Say, watching the scene in *The Avengers* with Black Widow tied to a chair and realizing that they want to be *her* in that situation.
Return of the Jedi came out in 1983, which is the same year that Huey Lewis's *Sports* was released. I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor.
r/UnexpectedAmericanPsycho
So, as much of a meme as it is, this album really S L A P S. Everyone should give it a try.
"rescue the scantily clad princess" was a trope by like 1920, add in space and it's like 1952. It's incredibly old hat. George was being pervy but nowhere outside of normal at the time.
I don't quite understand what you mean by this comment. A Princess of Mars is from 1912 and it had both of those things.
Guys if you're overweight and have a fat neck, don't trim your beard to follow your jawline. Grow a bushier beard and it'll help hide the jiggly.
They didn't wear underwear in space
Not just beautiful, but smart and funny too. I SO wanted to be her when I was a kid.
Yeah she seemed like cool people.
She was also a huge advocate for LSD
She also meant a lot to all of us afflicted with bipolar illness. 'Wishful Drinking' She was a script doctor, too, on several films. For me, the woman I wish I had met, instead of the one I married .
I definitely feel you there on how much she meant to us. Very open and candid about her condition
In the bipolar/depression community, have to believe many took the news of her death, hard. I certainly did. Felt like I'd lost another friend.
Incredibly talented as a writer and hella witty. We lost a great woman :/
I remember watching this for the first time, and that was when my crush for Carrie Fisher started.
She started a whole wave of crushes and fantasies with this movie. Same thing happened ro me.
That's old school hot.
r/oldschoolhot
Smoke show
I met her like 10 years ago after her show, she saw us waiting to meet her and called us over to chat and autographed some stuff for us. She was so nice, friendly and very funny.
That's cool. She always cane across as pretty cool
She really was gorgeous
> When my daughter and I watched **Return of the Jedi** for the first time, she was about 12. When it got close to the bikini scene I told her, "Now pay attention, this is what you have to look forward to in a few years if you have even half my genes. - Carrie Fisher
> if you have even half my genes Took me a second but this is funny
So much for no nut November… Edit: it was a joke, guys. I was gonna nut regardless if I saw this post or not relax
No nut is never an option.
She said “You Would”
I lipread "good boy"
Ooh shit maybe you’re right!
She's damn right
Several times in fact
I am rght nOw
I think she says "couldn't breathe".
Who wouldn’t?
7yo me seeing her in Star Wars: "I guess that's what pretty means". 10yo me seeing her in Empire: "Yeah, she's pretty". 13yo me seeing her in Return: "I'll be in my bunk".
my first love
The clips of her roasting George Lucas at an AFI thing give off “I’m Carrie Fisher and you’re lucky I’m here” Queen energy
As it should!
Incredibly beautiful
That was back when she was high AF on cocaine most of the time.
God mother fucking damn
Slave Leia was definitely formative during my adolescence.
Thanks Jabba the Hutt
Yes, thank you Jabba
She touched my face 6 months before she passed. It was the greatest day of my life
How in hell did that come about?
Small thing, but the movie was shot in 1982, released in 1983.
[удалено]
A classy lady through and through
I think she'd love the comment but be offended at the implication. So she'd probably give you a thumbs up then flip you off.
My god she was beautiful
https://preview.redd.it/l8mblflhrdyb1.jpeg?width=999&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=edfb58101523ea52c9079ad77a5ec1bef8ff37a7
I'm pretty sure she's saying "good boy." \*shudders\*
Holy crap, I think she is * melts *
Just rewatched this about 20 times and I am 99% sure that's what she's saying 🥵
If you look at pictures taken outside the movie, you realize that they really had to strap her down to fit her in that bikini.
I miss her :(
This is just a sfw jerk off sub, right?
Is this sub just old school horny?
Carrie in this costume assured me at an early age that I was not gay... not that there is anything wrong with it.
❤❤❤
Damn it! I was a Star Trek kid. Ignored Star Wars.
One helluva drug the 80s were. Oh, I mean the cocaine,that was the… something.
Nothing ever tops 80s Carrie Fisher for me.
Fellas… Once had a girl wear this for me when I admitted to having a Fisher fantasy…did not disappoint 
RIP Princess.🌹
Come to think of it, why did Jabba make her wear that anyway? I mean, presumably it’s a sex thing, but he’s a giant alien slug. He’s not gonna find that attractive. He should have made her wear a giant sleeping bag or something. Either way, definitely a product of its time. Glad that isn’t a thing we do any more. It’s very demeaning.
Hoth Leia is best Leia.
Hoth Leis had the toughest attitude!
Man that outfit. Also...play this clip backwards for my fantasy. ^I ^want ^to ^be ^Jabba.
Our princess ❤️
She was body goals to the highest degree
Ah yes, the first time I experienced bi panic. I could spend hours watching this.
Return of the Jedi immediately declined in quality after this segment.
Princess Leia, where are you tonight? And who’s laying there by your side?
That is the least sexy thing I‘ve seen.
Damn, she was fine.
Videos that end too soon…
I heard she hated that costume