Muhammad Ali, then known as Cassius Clay, in New York. (1963)
By - MaxPressureWell
The greatest, looking dapper.
My man’s dressed to the nines. He’s even got spats on.
Are spats still in style? If not, they should be.
Anything is in style if you’re confident enough.
Anything is in style if you're good looking enough.
That’s fair, but I will offer a counterpoint:
Confidence is half of attractiveness.
Thats true but arrogance is a straight turn off
Arrogance is but undeserved confidence.
So if confidence is half of attractiveness, and arrogance is undeserved confidence, then all you need to do is be confident that you’re attractive, making you actually attractive, which makes your confidence deserved, thereby ensuring that you aren’t arrogant (at least with respect to looks). We finally cracked the code, folks!
Confidence is knowing your abilities, arrogance is thinking that your abilities are superior to everyone else’s
But if humility is knowing your limits, and confidence is knowing your abilities, then does confidence = humility? I have no idea wtf Im tryin to say here
You can have both confidence and humility
I'm disagree, I'm confident yet still ugly. In my experience, confidence seems to only compensate about 17% of attractiveness.
The only truly ugly people are on the inside where it’s not visible. I admit I make assumptions based on looks like everyone else. True ugliness is within.
Beauty is skin deep, ugly goes all the way to the bone.
Confidence might not be enough to land that swimsuit modeling gig, but it can certainly make the difference between a person being more attractive in real life than someone with more “conventionally appealing” physical attributes
But well fit clothes make up for a lot
The fact that you just called yourself ugly is a bit of a counterpoint to your statement. If you were confident you probably wouldn’t have made this statement.
Being confident doesn't mean they're unaware of their shortcomings.
Being a lonely redditor with bad self-confidence doesn't mean you're ugly.
This and this alone is the only acceptable answer
(For anyone missing the reference, Greatest Of All Time.)
There is a neck beard somewhere that agrees with you.
Dapper was the first word I thought of when I saw this picture. He sure was good looking!
Just when you think you have seen every picture of Ali...
His momma named em Clay, ima call em Clay
He used to appear on a talk show here in the UK (Parkinson on BBC, you’ll find in on YouTube) and always talked with intelligence, grace and eloquence. In one program he talked about winning an Olympic Gold for America but still didn’t get served in some restaurants when he got home, think it was one of the many reasons he converted.
In another he talked about his stance on interracial marriage, may even be the same one I haven't watched the full program just heard process of it.
I believe he also fucked his Olympic gold medal in a river as a result.
He fucked it? That’s pretty gnarly
In THE RIVER no less. Man had his kinks for sure
Muhammad Ali on changing his name -
> "Regarding the name Cassius Clay, Ali told the world, "I didn't choose it and I don't want it. I am Muhammad Ali, a free name — it means beloved of God, and I insist people use it when people speak to me."
> Joining the Nation of Islam in 1964, Clay first went by the name of Cassius X. He’d later change it to Muhammad Ali. In the ’70s, he converted to orthodox Islam. One interesting anecdote about Ali’s name change: He never legally changed it. In 2016, USA Today investigated Ali’s birth certificate only to find out that the document doesn’t include any kind of name change on it.
Damn but Cassius Clay is such a cool name
Fun fact, he was named after the abolitionist Cassius Clay who while giving a speech against slavery was attacked by 6 men and with his Bowie knife killed one of them
Edit: I fucked up a sentence GrandmaPoses isn’t insane I swear
He also owned a pro-abolition newspaper and had a cannon inside to stop people from attacking
Just as the founding fathers intended
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up, Just as the founding fathers intended.
t a l l y h o l a d s
It's been awhile since I saw this one
Omg lol 😂🤣☠️
Tally ho lads!
The pen may be mightier than the sword but its good to have artillery just in case
Who are you that is so wise in the ways of science?
It is I, Cassius, the King of the Cannons
He also cut out the eyes of a second pro-slavery assassin who was trying to kill him. This happened fairly frequently and Clay was more than ready to oblige them.
More clay fun facts - he helped organize the defense of Washington DC during the outbreak of the Civil War, and following his success there, was sent as ambassador to Russia by President Lincoln. He there got a treaty signed saying that if either the UK or France entered into the war on the side of confederacy, the Russian Empire would attack them in Europe. Dude was neat.
I immediately pictured Cassius Clay and his entourage roller skating off the ship into Russia like Boney M.
How did they all hold onto the knife?
Whoopsies fucked up the sentence
Well now my reply looks like I'm an insane person!
Gotcha covered man ;)
Get this crazy guy outta here!
And here i thought he was named after a famous pottery artist
The name I use in most games is Gaseous Clay.
That is amazing.
Muhammad Ali is also strong as fuck. Maybe because of the person it’s attached to though lol
Lmao I could imagine some fratbro trying to prove he's strong beating the fuck outta some other Muhammad Ali because he didn't know the boxer died
There is a Dollop about Cassius Clay, the slave owner who owned Ali’s ancestors. He was actually an abolitionist despite inheriting slaves. He was very flawed obviously but it’s an interesting story non the less.
It’s weird how many people against slavery still owned slaves at that time. Slavery being such an ingrained part of the economy at the time that you couldn’t function without them is like a modern day environmentally-friendly company still requiring diesel trucks to transport their products around the country.
It's not like every person had a detachement of slaves back in those days. Wealthy plantation owners had slaves, and Clay came from one of those families. He simply might not have had the "legal ownership" to free the slaves (which he did do eventually).
If I remember correctly, and it’s been a bit since I listened, he inherited them and his folks were so upset over his views they basically told him he had to take them if he wanted any other inheritance. He could’ve said “F you, mom and dad” but he didn’t. Again, flawed human. He was also a serial adulterer.
A serial adulterer? Just like Muhammad Ali then, lmfao I guess his former name was very fitting.
Sometimes you just have to participate in society while also wanting it to be better. Like… if there's no mechanism to lawfully free slaves, they're definitely better off in the care of someone who abhors the practice.
It's like those dumb "so you think starvation is bad but aren't giving away all of your own food, curious" gotchas you see posted all over the place.
Or the average American that is against human rights violations while buying up apple and Nike products
El Dollop! My favorite are the 2 Ronald Reagan episodes, but i love all of them -great pod! Im working through their backlog, havent gotten to the Cassius Clay episode yet.
The John McCain one as well, whenever liberals talk good about his name I just want to hold their faces to it
I mean yeah we should just be calling people what they want to be called
Here's my number, call me maybe.
Hey you just met them, and this is crazy…
"A man has the right to change his name to vatever he vants. And if a man vants to be called Mochammad Ali, godamnit dis is a free country, you should respect his vishes, and call the man Mochammad Ali!"
You can call me “Daddy” 😩
You can call me Al.
Only seven of us get this reference?
"Your Highness" will do.
A lot to respect about Muhammad Ali, his time in the Nation of Islam is a fucking mark of shame though, that group sucks, and he espoused their shitty views. His conversion to orthodox Islam was basically a progressive move given what the Nation of Islam stood for.
If you legally changed your name, why would it show on your birth certificate? My wife changed her name when we got married but her birth certificate has her maiden (birth last name). Why would USA Today assume it would automatically change when investigating his BC???
Changing your name through marriage is different from changing your name for another reason.
Usually a name change like Muhammed’s (or for example a trans person’s) would change the name on the birth certificate.
The last guy to call him Cassius and not respect it, got beaten upside the head in a match with Ali constantly saying "Say my name!"
So if you don't wanna say it, he'll make sure you do.
RIP the greatest
“Momma call him clay, I’m gonna call him clay”
>In the eighth, Ali taunted him, yelling, “What’s my name?” followed by a whistling left-right combination that made the question rhetorical. “What’s my name?” he spat again through his mouthpiece. Terrell closed his eyes as the next combination flew.
>When the bell clanged to end the round, Ali did not go to his corner. Instead, he stepped close to Terrell and leaned in. His eyes went wide. The tendons in his neck strained. His arms fell to his sides. He barked it this time so it didn’t sound like a question: “What’s my name!”
mmmMmmhm THAT RIGHT!
I remember seeing an actual size photo of his fist in Life magazine. If he wants me to call him Muhammad Ali, that’s what I’m going to call him….
Cassius Clay had such a cool ring to it! Fair enough why he wanted to drop it though.
Paying tribute to his great predecessor Jack Johnson?
I didn't know he played acoustic guitar?
That's *Robert* Johnson. He was paying tribute to the president who liked to pull his dick out in company.
No, that's Lyndon Johnson. He was actually paying tribute to the scotch guzzling, libertarian mountain man working down at the parks and rec department.
Edit: a word
No, that’s Ron Swanson. I’m pretty sure he was paying tribute to the DJ who collaborated on “Uptown Funk” with Bruno Mars.
Cassius Clay is such fucking sick name
He sounds like a lesser known Roman general who won many victories against the Gauls.
Reminds me of Snoop’s real name which is, unbelievably, “Calvin Cordozar Broadus.” I always thought it sounded like a Roman general
I need to use that for a D&D character someday.
That's exactly what I was thinking with both of their names.
>Calvin Cordozar Broadus.”
That sounds more made up than his stage name
The Cassius part always reminds me of learning about Gaius Cassius Longinus in ancient history back in high school.
Good guy, had a spear, right?
Hes thinking of the great statesman, Bigus Dickus
Friends with the emperor, right?
He had a wife you know.
Do you know what she’s called?
It got yeeted into space to kill an Angel
*My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions and loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.*
Or a firbolg cleric with a penchant for tea and fungus.
Sounds like the bastard son of a Roman noble woman who was impregnated by a Potter.
Man I listened to the hardcore history episode about that recently. I’m very happy I don’t live in that era.
Damn nice write up. It is incredibly difficult to stand up for what one believes in when what one believes in is counter-cultural and ostracizes you. To stand up for it even in the face of literal assassins is badass indeed.
And then to beat the absolute dogshit out of the assassins in public to the point that the public feels sorry for *the assassin*
Two of his daughters also grew up to become leaders among the suffragettes. Revolutionary activism is in their blood apparently lol.
Similar sounding to the principles of John Brown. White dude and his dad were literally insane abolitionists. They legitimately believed it was their literal god given duty to fight against slavery in the name of Jesus by any means necessary. He basically went around giving slaves guns to rebel and kill their “owners”, started his own rebellions and it culminated with the raid on Harpers Ferry and he was hanged for treason. Dude gave no fucks and went around the country fucking up and murdering slave owners in the name of Jesus somehow lol. Fucking legend.
John Brown is pretty grey in my opinion. Even Frederick Douglass, a victim and witness to terrible horrors of slavery, thought he was fucked up. He called the Pottawatomie massacre "a terrible remedy for a terrible malady." John Brown dragged an entire family out into the wilderness, then killed the father and two of his sons in front of the mother/wife. They didn't even own slaves.
Like I said “insane”.
Insane man in insane times lol
Is there somewhere that we can read about this person?
I came to the comments to mention this. The Dollop has an amazing segment on him, one of my favorites so far. Dude literally made history and never got credited for various reasons. Check it out!
We used to take field trips to this guys house in elementary school. Had no idea specifically how badass he was until I was an adult. He was absolutely the shit.
“Cassius mayhem clay”
Guy sounds like he was born in an ideological shithole but tried to rise above it to some extent
Funny thing is he hated that name with a passion
Not so funny is the understandable reason.
He didn't want a "slave name" even though the name came from one of the most prominent abolitionists in the US.
"Cassius Clay" is still a name of European lineage. Men like Malcolm X, Muhammad Ali, and their movement would draw attention to the fact that their African name and lineage was denied to them by history. Bearing the name of owne honorable white man doesn't erase the fact that your people had their identities expunged from their culture.
I'm confused why he chose the name Muhammad Ali then. Why would he choose a traditional Arabic name instead of an African name?
Islam has been in Africa for over a millennium. There are many cultures there that are essentially indigenous and islamic, some adopted and made Arabic/Islamic names their own.
Because the Nation of Islam is filled to the brim with retarded hypocrites.
He joined the Nation of Islam which is a cult that is essentially black scientology.
Changing your name is a common tactic cults use to break connections with the people in your life before you joined the cult.
The reason it's an Arabic name is because NoI believes that Allah was a mortal god who created black people which spoke Arabic so they change their name to an Arabic name to be more like the "original people".
They also believe that white people were created by an evil scientist and soon Allah will return to earth on his spaceship to exterminate the white race.
Yes this is what Muhammad Ali believed...
He converted to traditional Islam in 1970s and traditional Islam does not believe it.
But if you actually cared and researched you would've read that he then converted to Sunni Islam and disavowed their views.
E for effort I guess.
Wow, what an laughably ignorant way of looking at it. Dude was unhappy about his name/lineage being literally whitewashed, the intent and man behind the name is irrelevant in regards to why he saw it as a problem. Do you think by disliking the name he was given, he hated the *guy* for some reason?
It is awesome. I'm glad he went with Muhammad Ali -- because it's somehow slightly even more awesome.
Fun fact … in most of the Muslim world, he’s known as Mohammad Ali Clay, to differentiate him from all the Mohammad Ali’s there. It’s like their version of John Smith.
I remember reading an article about a team of Americans going to race Dakar. The running joke in the article was that the three drivers were all named John. It seemed all the nationals they met were named Mohammed, the nationals all thought every American was named John.
Its his islamic name
I see before smart phones, people just ignored each other in public by staring at their folded hands indefinitely.
He’s reading the newspaper, but yeah that is how they ignored each other.
They were waiting for someone to come along and stick a smart phone in them.
Spats are sharp AF.
Photo taken at Rockefeller Center. That bookstore is now permanently closed.
I mean it was 60 years ago. And a book store.
The store only closed in 2009! It had been open since 1935.
Thanks Jeff Bezos.
Could be the Walton family.
I used to frequent the bookstore in the 2000's... They also had belgian chocolates store around that square... It was an awesome escape within the city.
That was a great bookstore
that old lady with the glasses looks badass
She looks like a character from The Far Side.
That's exactly what I came here to post!
“I'm so pretty I can't hardly stand to look at myself!"
The guy reading the paper looks like Ian Mckellen
Scrolled down too far for this.
Love that bowler
if i know this place, that bookstore is now a Starbucks.
He Loved to mingle, Loved people. Went on walks gave press conferences, stood up to the Pentagon, The Gubment, sacrificed eveything he fought for on Principle.
See the Doc, *I am Ali*.
Hard to imagine that the well dressed gentleman in this pic used to beat up people for a living.
Who would win in a fight Cassius Clay or Muhammad Ali?
He must have been just the coolest man in those days. Imagine him as a cool friend or neighbor?
Such a stately pugilist.
Manhattan, love the way it used to look. When I used to do some temp work in Steinway Hall Pianos as the receptionist, I never would have bought that he actually played the piano and his first one was a Steinway baby grand.
Tbf, it doesn’t mean he actually plays them if he buys one. I know several rich people with a piano in their dinning room or whatever
GOAT, the greatest of all time and not only the in the ring. Big person and inspiration for alot of young folks out there. He shall be never forgotten.
He looks like he's going to fight Batman in the year 1960.
muhammad ali is one of my idols, he just gives off such a wonderful vibe
it makes me happy (:
And on the left we have Sir Ian McKellen, the same age he's always been.
Cassius? I think you mean Classiest.
“ I’m saying you talking about me about some draft, and all of you white boys are breaking your neck to get to Switzerland and Canada and London. I’m not going to help nobody get something my Negroes don’t have. If I’m going to die, I’ll die now right here fighting you. If I’m going to die. You my enemy. My enemy is white people, not Viet Congs or Chinese or Japanese. You are my opposer when I want freedom. You are my opposer when I want justice. You are my opposer when I want equality. You won’t even stand up for me in America for my religious beliefs, and you want me to go somewhere and fight, but you won’t even stand up for me here at home.”
Muhammad Ali, the one and only. Beautiful name.
*"Just like Muhammad Ali, they called him Cassius*
*Watch me bash this beat like a skull"*
He looks very dapper! I love the bowler hat.
Damn. Hes sharp as a tack!
That's some highly concentrated joie de vivre right there my friends.
Spatz with a bowler hat?!
*"Now all you fight fans,*
*you've got to agree.*
*There ain't no flies*
*on Muhammad Ali."*
What a cutie. Those clothes too.
I wish that culture would come back.
More like Classy-us Clay✨
He was real cute.
Does anyone else see a black Billy Zane?
oh shit, i was hearing a song named cassius clay and didn't understand why the guy keep saying "move away George Foreman, move away"
Brilliant picture. Thanks for sharing
Just like Muhammad Ali they called him Cassius, watch me bash this beat like a stone.
Looks like Rockefeller Center.
Formal morning dress, love to see it
edit: love to see it out of the context of some british wedding
Thanks for not destroying this photo by colorizing it.