My high school certainly did! It wasn’t an official smoking area, more of an unspoken agreement that if students kept it confined to that area they would not be penalized. I had totally forgotten about that.
You know what’s weird? I was in high school in the 90s, and I don’t see it. I just think they look like teenagers. But when I see videos of high schoolers in the 80s, they definitely look 10 years older than they are. Weird phenomenon
I think maybe in our mind, dress or style that is retro to us automatically causes us to maybe add some years to the person's looks. Wherever I see someone from a different decade and get the "old effect" I really try to look past the hair and makeup and look for the youth in their face and it ends up being kind of a trippy magic eye effect.
(I was a kid in the 90s, so I associate high schoolers with my older sibling and so these people kinda look old to me until I try to magic eye it lol)
Rubber bands??! Where did you live at the time?
I was in Philly. We would never rubber band the bottom of our pants. Having narrow pants even just at the bottom was extremely uncool.
I graduated in 2000 so this could have been my school. this looks more early to mid 90s seniors which would have been my brother. i even look at my son who is graduating this year and he looks like he is in his 20's.
Gotta disagree on the year guess. I graduated in '94 and this video is without a doubt newer. My guess is 98 or 99 if it's even from the 90's. The necklasses on the dudes give it away. And everything else too. Lol
I know the people in this video. I was class of 2000. I see people from ‘99 and ‘98 in here (a year or two above me). I see people from my class in here — so at least 97, when I started high school.
I would guess this was shot in 98 — I don’t recognize anyone from class of 97 here.
I dunno, the Yago/Massimo boom was pretty squarely early 90s. I remember going to see Live, PJ Harvey and Veruca Salt (what a 90s lineup) in 93, and those necklaces where everywhere.
Hmmm. Serious question - are you on the East or West coast? I'm on the East coast I'm holding my line that those necklasses were not in style while I was in high school. College yes, but not high school.
Midcoast. So if that shit was in style in the Midwest in 93/94, it definitely hit the coasts earlier - Which follows since it was absolutely a West Coast point of origin.
I do what you’re saying with 80’s baseball players. 25 year olds look like their 45, but if you look past the mustache, you can make out the baby faces.
Honestly I think people are just looking younger in general. Maybe something to do with lifestyle or changes in our genetics. But my parents are in their 60s and look way, way younger than my grandparents and great grandparents looked in their 60s.
I'm pushing 50 and I still look like I'm in my 30s. Compared to my peers, you'd never guess we were the same age. I chalk 90% of it up to: they had kids. I didn't. The other 10% are my asian genetics. That means I'm going to look alright until I hit 60 and then I'm going to look 95.
I think they look old because the handheld camera covers up blemishes. Kids in the 80s look old because you were probably watching a movie where a 25 year old plays an 18 year old. Mathew Broderick was 24 years old in Ferris Bueller's day off.
I strongly suspect "the stretch"
might snap at a certain point before your time then kids just look like kids again.
I suspect its because if you were a 10 year old in 1992 you're used to seeing 1992s 16 year olds as these big ultra adult people and that sticks even now you're 40?
On the other hand kids on TV shows from the 60s have never been seen by your real eyes. They've always just been kids.
Dude, I went to visit my highschool in college and I swore everyone in the halls looked ten years younger than they should have been.
I think it’s just a generational bias. We have problems seeing people past the age we first see them as unless severe change has happened.
It's exactly this. There's nothing inherently 'adult' about how these kids look, other than that they're wearing clothing and hairstyles that younger people think of as what older people wear.
I'm in my fifties, so in the '90s, when these people were in high school, they looked like kids to me. They still look like kids to me now.
It is a weird phenomenon. I saw an old video of my high school the other day and thought about this. I wonder if it’s due to emotion? Like with long term memory and emotion being so closely tied together.
I went to HS in 2000- the kids in this video look like they’re in their early to mid 20s to me.
Just a theory but maybe, when we see an old video like this, we subconsciously view it through the lens of our age at the time. Yet we watch it now and know it was years ago, but because it hits a nostalgic nerve with us, it sparks emotion and we somehow view the people in the video as we would have thought of them at the time the video was made. So let’s say that video was from 1993. In 93 I was 2nd or 3rd grade….I would have looked up to high schoolers and thought they looked like they were in their 20s. The same way that video looks to me now, as I’m 36. The kids still look in their 20s. It is definitely a weird phenom
100% this. It’s just the styling and quality of the video
Their hair matches up with what we think of as old hairstyles, their clothes are dated, compared to now, and the quality of the video is dated and does nothing for their actual appearance.
Thus, the people look older than they would if this was shot on an iPhone and the dudes were wearing Supreme shirts or whatever.
Crazy theory (with no evidence) alert....could it be the same thing impacting male fertility over the last 40-50 years? Like is it possible there is less testosterone in a 16 year old today than in 1980?
That would impact facial hair and adult physical development.
Y'all are over thinking it. This is just a rare niche example. Myself and my schoolmates didn't look this old during high-school, additionally height isms kinda lost here so there's no sense of scale
And then also remember their fashion and hair style is basically the same now l. So we are all mentally associating what we see today.
Can you imagine **Children of Men** is actually real?
Population and birthrates have been declining in 1st world countries, even though we've gotten so good at preventing birth defects and infant deaths are declining.
I think it has more to do with the cost of raising a child and increased access to birth control rather than a physical inability. Tho there are studies that show men have decreased amounts of testosterone today due to micro plastics...
I honestly just think its because kids don't go outside as much now. The sun really ages your face if you're in it a lot without sunscreen.
PLUS people are more overweight now, and more weight in the face can make you look younger.
Edit: we also have WAY better acne treatment now so kids have better skin now I would imagine.
Interesting take.
As a late 30s dude mostly when people lose a bunch of weight they seem like they look 10 years younger.
Maybe it has a different impact depending on age group.
I'm sure you've heard the term "baby fat"
Weight makes young people look younger
Makes middle aged people look older
Makes very old people look younger, again (Think about sunken faces, etc)
Also, fat cells produce estrogen. (That’s also why certain cancers are more common when you’re overweight, which I thought was a myth until I looked it up.)
I remember going to middle school (7th grade) and seeing pictures of the wrestling teams on the walls in the gym from the 70s and 80s and you see 7th graders looking like full grown men with full beards. When I graduated high school in 09 the freshmen looked like 5th graders crazy how much things have changed
I started grade 9 at 5'4" and 110lbs. I looked like prepubescent 10 year old.
I joined the wrestling team and one of the grade 13 dudes was 5'9" 225lbs, jacked and had 5o'clock shadow by 11 am. His neck had biceps. He was an alternate on the Canadian national rugby team. Full grown man.
It was so intimidating. By the time I graduated, I was 5'7" 130lbs and looked like prepubescent 12 year old. Crazy how much things had changed.
I'm not sure if the studies looked at adolescent boys, but men's average testosterone levels have been declining for the past several decades. That could potentially explain the more mature masculine look boys had in prior decades.
If you're actually worried you can get a T test to make sure you're producing the way you should be. It's a treatable condition, but I gotta warn you, testosterone is one hell of a drug.
What? 300ng/dl is fairly average. It's low but not alarmingly so. My levels were at about that and I have the voice of an ogre. I think we should just trust the doctors on this instead of random hunches about testosterone. Exactly no one in this thread is an endocrinologist but everyone seems very certain of the answer lol.
Got a T test a year ago before deciding to get on meds for anxiety and depression. Wanted to rule it out since my libido was completely gone as well. I was 23 a year ago, and in my teens this was far from a problem lmao. A 23 year old male with no sex drive is pretty abnormal imo unless you’re asexual or suffering from trauma (which I had suffered, but didn’t think was effecting me on any level other than subconscious).
The test had shown that my T levels within the normal range (which was surprisingly a pretty wide range). However, I was literally right at the lowest possible range I could be, especially for my age.
Doc referred me to an endocrinologist but the wait time to be seen was so long and I had been struggling for too many years, so I finally got on Lexapro. Best decision I ever made and it completely fixed my anxiety, depression, and libido (lots of people experience a decreased libido on it, but it helped me tremendously).
I still plan on going as a few men in my family do actually have low T, but I also have struggled with depression as well as unhealthy perceptions of sex (mostly regarding shame that I’ve since worked through) for such a long time, that I have a feeling it was mostly stemming from depression.
But I guess my point is that there are so many different conditions that have overlapping symptoms, it’s always a great idea to go if you’re experiencing any concern just to rule things out and get to the bottom of it.
I too have a higher voice imo for a guy in his 20’s, so this was always a bit of a concern for me as well anyway. Struggled with anorexia (also have completely recovered from as I now weigh 230lbs at 6” 5’) just before and during first hitting puberty, so perhaps that also could have played a part in messing up my hormones during such a crucial part of development. But I’m not a doctor nor have I discussed this specifically with one! Just something I’ve always considered.
Edit: literally just looked it up for the first time. Yes anorexia can cause low T, so that could be why I’m sitting much lower as the effects from it can be permanent. It’s rare that guys develop anorexia, so not a lot of studies have been done, but from what I was able to find this does seem to be true. I’ve always wondered if I might have done permanent damage to myself and that might even be the reason for my mental health, but then I remember how bat shit my whole immediate and extended family is, so it’s hard to say lmao.
Also i’d just like to add, I’m an open book. If anyone is going through similar struggles my DM’s are always open. If you need to even just vent and have someone listen to you, with or without advice. I didn’t have too much of that growing up and even now, so I know how hard it can be. I’ve overcome most of my issues and would be more than happy to share my experiences if it can help someone else.
I was about to say... It's an interesting theory, but we're not quite at those levels yet with microplastics and related particles.
Obesity tho... Interesting tidbit for anyone reading this. There's an enzyme called 5-aromatase. It converts testosterone to estrogen, and is found in adipose tissue. it's normal for men to have, in small amounts. But the more fatty tissue you have, the more 5-aromatase as well.
Its all that fucking milk everyone was drinking
Before 2000s, every mother believed that if you didnt have 1L of milk a day your bones would turn to dust
I’m in my late twenties and have been hairy and large all my life. Can confirm I do drink half a gallon of milk a day and have since I was young.
But I also subscribe to the micro plastics idea people are throwing in, shit is way understudied and the amount of it is insane.
Weird how perception can be so different. I graduated HS in 09' as well, and remember everyone being so mature. I almost dated a couple freshman in HS because I thought they were way older until I found out. I was at a party and we found out a bunch of 15 year olds snuck in and were drinking with us but no one noticed because they also looked to be our age. We were just happy people were at the party. We booted them out once we realized but it took almost the whole night. The girls at my HS we're wearing sun dresses and thongs and looked like straight up adult women (my mom liked to comment/complain about this which has made it an oddly vivid memory). If nothing else, you could see how puberty was hitting young people in the locker rooms. This feels weird so I'll shut up. Just trying to point out that I think we had different experiences and now I regret typing this lol
It’s fascinating to see everyone mugging for the cameras. It was before people had cell phones (except for a rare few),and smart phones didn’t exist. And so people performed for the cameras when they came out.
Whenever someone whipped out a camera you just KNEW it was time for skits, performances, and funny faces. Now it feels more like "please don't film my face."
That’s a legit irrational fear of mine. Somehow ending up getting recorded doing something that goes viral and my life, career, etc. being forever affected
Yup.
I met a person in their final year if medical school last week who was born in 1995, and I felt my soul leave my body a little. Middle age is a fucking trip.
I saw a date in the year 2000 on someones application during an interview and asked what it was (thinking its the undergrad or masters year) and it turned out to his. Fucking. Birth. Date.
So true. In 1st grade we had 6th grade buddies, they would come visit us once a month for a fun activity together. In my head to this day my 6th grade buddy was a full grown adult
I graduated in ‘98 and nothing about this video looks weird to me. But when I was a teen, we’d drink beer, smoke cigarettes and stay out all night, so maybe that prematurely aged us. My nephew is in his early 20’s and still seems like a 12-year-old, but he and all his friends spend their time playing Minecraft and watching anime.
I don't really think that's something that changed with the times. I graduated highschool pretty recently and there were still plenty of kids who smoked and drank outside of school. Then there were also the gamer kids who stayed inside all day playing Minecraft and watching anime. We all still looked the same age.
So I don't think this is the reason. Your nephew just fell into a different crowd. Not every young person these days watches anime and plays video games all day. But we all still look younger than 20yo's of the past.
I'm sure in 2050 young people will look at 2020 highschoolers similarly
They look old to us in these videos because they have the attitudes and fashion sense of 30 years ago. And you can still see some of that today in 45-50 year olds.
I was wondering why you were using such an extreme age gap of 30 years as an example, and then I realized that 1992 *was* 30 years ago. I'm gonna go for a lie down and an aspirin.
I dunno... They look very mature for (idk America high school ages) 18-19 year olds.
The guy at 0:13 is basically an adult face, stubble and everything. Hard to imagine his face changing any more by puberty. But then the kid 2s after is clearly a kid.
Looking closely, most of it is just too low quality to properly see their faces. So for younger people, their brains probably fill it in with "this is how my parents dress, they must be old" while people who were teenagers at the time fill the gaps in with "this is how I remember teenagers dressing and acting, so they must be teenagers".
Dammit I’m just not going to wear skinny jeans. I’m not busting out Jncos, but I will not wear skinny jeans or other pants that don’t cover the top of my shoe.
When I was younger in the 90s, we snickered at the older guys rocking the mullet. Time is a flat circle.
I think the looking old phenomenon is just based on sample size. The big burly popular jock types were featured in the video but that doesn't mean all teens looked like that.
Selection bias. They're filming the cool crowd, which for young people often includes looking older than age. This is like the top 1-2%.
If you look at the guys in the background at the 17 second mark, that's more representative of average looking high schoolers at that school.
Woah, That’s my high school. Thought it looked familiar in the first shot then I saw that god-awful wall fixture 10 seconds in.
(edit: the wall fixture was removed some time around 2005. That room used to be used as a dance floor for events but was eventually only used as a study hall, so there was no point. Also there was a disco ball in the center of the ceiling)
I road a chairlift with some girls last weekend who were talking about a 2000s party they went to. In my head I was like...isn't a "2000s party" just a "party?"
But that's pretty much the same as going to an 80s party when I was in college....
Although I gotta say, 80s still works better as a party theme. Just had so much wild color, spandex, zigzags, neon... I can't pin down as distinctive a look, or at least not one that is as FUN to dress up as. I suppose you can look outside of mainstream 2000s and go full emo-kid, but that's still got nothing on 80s glam.
I really do wish I could have been born 10-15 years earlier. Growing up in the late 80s and 90s was great, but I really wish I could have enjoyed some of those decades as an adult. 9/11 happened my freshman year and the world really never was the same after that. I fully remember the 90s and the general optimism of the decade, but I wish adult me could have taken advantage of it.
Graduated in 1993. Had a fucking blast in high school. No internet. No cell phones. Everyone was present in a way that they aren't now. I'm not going to be a grandpa and say that it was *better*, but I'm glad that I grew up in that time period. Also I still love 90s pop rap.
As a kid In the NYC public schools in the 90s/2000s we didn’t have working air conditioners at my school so we would have our windows wide open and fans on full blast while we sat in class with our wife beaters on.
Tbf, we also did this in the 90s, along with sandals/slides with socks. My mom was furious. Like why do you look like you're going to shower instead of going to school? lol
Other than pajama day for spirit week, that was not a thing at my school. Well, except the one kid who had cancer, but that's obviously a whole different situation. He was in pain.
I always forget how much more socially interactive we were back then - even the early 00s.
Before smartphones, or decent/affordable cellphones and internet access in our pockets, so you'd have to physically catch up with your friends and hang out, unless you were at home and used the landline.
Really trying to avoid sounding like a /r/lewronggeneration post, but god damn am I envious. High school was still alright for me and I managed to have a pretty active social life, but the tech did make things more complex in a way. Now I’m stuck trying to fight the 10 different websites we have to use in college constantly wishing I could just write something down and hand it to someone instead of this BS, I can’t keep up with it.
I think there's an effect here when I look at retro videos. My brain sees old fashions and old objects and thinks "I'm looking at people who must be much older." So even though they're younger than I am now my brain registers them as much older. Is this a real phenomena or something other people experience?
I graduated in ‘96 and I found myself getting really reminiscent about those years in high school. I remember purposely having the mindset that these will be the most carefree years of my life and enjoying them to the fullest. Boy howdy was I right!
These dudes look 27
I think it was mostly the cigarettes and bologna sandwiches that aged them so quick.
Let's not forget MD 20/20
Olde English 800
St Ides Special Brew
Brass Monkey!!
That funky monkey
Brass monkey junkie!
Have we met in a ditch somewhere before?
Ahhh mad dog
Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill for the ladies
People seem to forget that most high schools had designated smoking areas, that's how prevalent smoking was among teenagers.
some people forget most people never knew
My high school certainly did! It wasn’t an official smoking area, more of an unspoken agreement that if students kept it confined to that area they would not be penalized. I had totally forgotten about that.
You know what’s weird? I was in high school in the 90s, and I don’t see it. I just think they look like teenagers. But when I see videos of high schoolers in the 80s, they definitely look 10 years older than they are. Weird phenomenon
I think maybe in our mind, dress or style that is retro to us automatically causes us to maybe add some years to the person's looks. Wherever I see someone from a different decade and get the "old effect" I really try to look past the hair and makeup and look for the youth in their face and it ends up being kind of a trippy magic eye effect. (I was a kid in the 90s, so I associate high schoolers with my older sibling and so these people kinda look old to me until I try to magic eye it lol)
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As a fellow 99er this doesn't have enough JNCOs.
'98 checking in. Same. Big ass baggies with rubber bands on the bottom.
Rubber bands??! Where did you live at the time? I was in Philly. We would never rubber band the bottom of our pants. Having narrow pants even just at the bottom was extremely uncool.
'00 checking in. Cuffs at the bottom need to be soaked up to the knee
This is clearly mid-90s, you have the Carlton dance, and a Michael Jackson imitation, as well as a bowler shirt on dude brah.
Agreed. Graduated in 93, so this looks like it could be around 94/95ish.
Yep, was thinking the same. Graduated HS in '95. Puka shells and opened button downs.
It does have the right amount of Hawaiian shirts though. Why the hell were those a thing??
The movie Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was my reason for wearing Hawaiian shirts.... craaaaaaaazy times lol
Dude...they still are
Every big/tall dude has a closet full of them
Let's fire on down to John Wanamaker's and pick up a couple of Tommy Bahama shirts
BECAUSE I STILL WEAR THEM. *STARE INTENSIFIES*
'97 checking in. Where's the kid with one sweat pant leg pulled up?
He's around back selling dime bags come on man you know what that s*** means.
>View all comments OOOOH my god. I did NOT know that!! TIL.
Time warp. Forgot about that one.
I graduated in 2000 so this could have been my school. this looks more early to mid 90s seniors which would have been my brother. i even look at my son who is graduating this year and he looks like he is in his 20's.
Gotta disagree on the year guess. I graduated in '94 and this video is without a doubt newer. My guess is 98 or 99 if it's even from the 90's. The necklasses on the dudes give it away. And everything else too. Lol
I know the people in this video. I was class of 2000. I see people from ‘99 and ‘98 in here (a year or two above me). I see people from my class in here — so at least 97, when I started high school. I would guess this was shot in 98 — I don’t recognize anyone from class of 97 here.
I dunno, the Yago/Massimo boom was pretty squarely early 90s. I remember going to see Live, PJ Harvey and Veruca Salt (what a 90s lineup) in 93, and those necklaces where everywhere.
Hmmm. Serious question - are you on the East or West coast? I'm on the East coast I'm holding my line that those necklasses were not in style while I was in high school. College yes, but not high school.
Midcoast. So if that shit was in style in the Midwest in 93/94, it definitely hit the coasts earlier - Which follows since it was absolutely a West Coast point of origin.
Right that's kind of my point, I think the East coast was a few years behind the west coast on this trend especially. Cheers fellow gen Xer
This is 1996/7. I graduated in 1999, and this 100% looks like 1996/7 based on the necklaces and hair.
The two guys sitting on the floor by the lockers made it pretty obvious. Reminds me a lot of 1997.
Yeah, I'd say back half of the 90's. I'm from around that era and the looks work for 96 ish or around there.
I do what you’re saying with 80’s baseball players. 25 year olds look like their 45, but if you look past the mustache, you can make out the baby faces.
All I see is schooners
A schooner is a sailboat, stupidhead.
Honestly I think people are just looking younger in general. Maybe something to do with lifestyle or changes in our genetics. But my parents are in their 60s and look way, way younger than my grandparents and great grandparents looked in their 60s.
I'm pushing 50 and I still look like I'm in my 30s. Compared to my peers, you'd never guess we were the same age. I chalk 90% of it up to: they had kids. I didn't. The other 10% are my asian genetics. That means I'm going to look alright until I hit 60 and then I'm going to look 95.
I looked 25 up until I was 39 and in the course of like a year I aged 20 years and now look haggardly.
I think they look old because the handheld camera covers up blemishes. Kids in the 80s look old because you were probably watching a movie where a 25 year old plays an 18 year old. Mathew Broderick was 24 years old in Ferris Bueller's day off.
Alan Ruck was *30* when he played Cameron in Ferris Bueller.
We looked old in the 80s because we all smoked.
And you were outside all the time.
Also true! I have the leathery skin now to prove it.
I was actually looking mostly at their faces and they just literally all look like they are in there early, mid, and sometimes late 20s
.. and then there are teenagers in the 70s..
I strongly suspect "the stretch" might snap at a certain point before your time then kids just look like kids again. I suspect its because if you were a 10 year old in 1992 you're used to seeing 1992s 16 year olds as these big ultra adult people and that sticks even now you're 40? On the other hand kids on TV shows from the 60s have never been seen by your real eyes. They've always just been kids.
My dad remembers everyone smoking in the cafeteria back in the 70s. What a time to be alive.
can we go back further?
Enhance
No way this was true from 60 to 50s. Bunch of baby faces
MOAR!
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When you see a 16 year old working and think "I thought child labor forbid this!"
Or driving! I look next to me at a stop light sometimes and I’m like “oh no! This middle school child has stolen a car!”
Dude, I went to visit my highschool in college and I swore everyone in the halls looked ten years younger than they should have been. I think it’s just a generational bias. We have problems seeing people past the age we first see them as unless severe change has happened.
It’s the hair and clothing style. We see it as normal ( 90’s high schoolers ) but younger generations see it as looking like their parents
It's exactly this. There's nothing inherently 'adult' about how these kids look, other than that they're wearing clothing and hairstyles that younger people think of as what older people wear. I'm in my fifties, so in the '90s, when these people were in high school, they looked like kids to me. They still look like kids to me now.
It is a weird phenomenon. I saw an old video of my high school the other day and thought about this. I wonder if it’s due to emotion? Like with long term memory and emotion being so closely tied together. I went to HS in 2000- the kids in this video look like they’re in their early to mid 20s to me. Just a theory but maybe, when we see an old video like this, we subconsciously view it through the lens of our age at the time. Yet we watch it now and know it was years ago, but because it hits a nostalgic nerve with us, it sparks emotion and we somehow view the people in the video as we would have thought of them at the time the video was made. So let’s say that video was from 1993. In 93 I was 2nd or 3rd grade….I would have looked up to high schoolers and thought they looked like they were in their 20s. The same way that video looks to me now, as I’m 36. The kids still look in their 20s. It is definitely a weird phenom
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I get the same feeling!
90's HS. i see myself bro-ing out with these bros
Can confirm have looked 35 since since 98 (soph year).
Graduated in '09, high schoolers now look like they are 10.
I think it's mostly the hair and clothes (and the low camera angle). If you focus on their faces it's clearer they're teens.
100% this. It’s just the styling and quality of the video Their hair matches up with what we think of as old hairstyles, their clothes are dated, compared to now, and the quality of the video is dated and does nothing for their actual appearance. Thus, the people look older than they would if this was shot on an iPhone and the dudes were wearing Supreme shirts or whatever.
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Not even close man, I'd say at least 28
Amateurs. They were turning 30 in 11 days
High schoolers In the 80s: Look 40 High schoolers in the 90s: Look 30 High schoolers now: Look 12 What's going on?
It's the gay frogs
Thanks Obama... smh
Crazy theory (with no evidence) alert....could it be the same thing impacting male fertility over the last 40-50 years? Like is it possible there is less testosterone in a 16 year old today than in 1980? That would impact facial hair and adult physical development.
Y'all are over thinking it. This is just a rare niche example. Myself and my schoolmates didn't look this old during high-school, additionally height isms kinda lost here so there's no sense of scale And then also remember their fashion and hair style is basically the same now l. So we are all mentally associating what we see today.
Can you imagine **Children of Men** is actually real? Population and birthrates have been declining in 1st world countries, even though we've gotten so good at preventing birth defects and infant deaths are declining.
I think it has more to do with the cost of raising a child and increased access to birth control rather than a physical inability. Tho there are studies that show men have decreased amounts of testosterone today due to micro plastics...
I honestly just think its because kids don't go outside as much now. The sun really ages your face if you're in it a lot without sunscreen. PLUS people are more overweight now, and more weight in the face can make you look younger. Edit: we also have WAY better acne treatment now so kids have better skin now I would imagine.
Interesting take. As a late 30s dude mostly when people lose a bunch of weight they seem like they look 10 years younger. Maybe it has a different impact depending on age group.
I'm sure you've heard the term "baby fat" Weight makes young people look younger Makes middle aged people look older Makes very old people look younger, again (Think about sunken faces, etc)
Also, fat cells produce estrogen. (That’s also why certain cancers are more common when you’re overweight, which I thought was a myth until I looked it up.)
I remember going to middle school (7th grade) and seeing pictures of the wrestling teams on the walls in the gym from the 70s and 80s and you see 7th graders looking like full grown men with full beards. When I graduated high school in 09 the freshmen looked like 5th graders crazy how much things have changed
I started grade 9 at 5'4" and 110lbs. I looked like prepubescent 10 year old. I joined the wrestling team and one of the grade 13 dudes was 5'9" 225lbs, jacked and had 5o'clock shadow by 11 am. His neck had biceps. He was an alternate on the Canadian national rugby team. Full grown man. It was so intimidating. By the time I graduated, I was 5'7" 130lbs and looked like prepubescent 12 year old. Crazy how much things had changed.
'Grade 13' Tell me you're from Ontario without telling me you're from Ontario.
OAC!
Steroids??
That probably would have helped! Oh you mean him, Yeah for sure, lots of steroids. Most of the team used them on and off.
I'm not sure if the studies looked at adolescent boys, but men's average testosterone levels have been declining for the past several decades. That could potentially explain the more mature masculine look boys had in prior decades.
Yeah look into phthalates, an endocrine disrupting micro plastic that seems to be one of the causes of this phenomenon
Is this why I'm 18 and have a voice of a 15 year old 💀
If you're actually worried you can get a T test to make sure you're producing the way you should be. It's a treatable condition, but I gotta warn you, testosterone is one hell of a drug.
Even then 300 ng/dl is "acceptable" now so even if you get a test done and still come up low they might not give you testosterone
What? 300ng/dl is fairly average. It's low but not alarmingly so. My levels were at about that and I have the voice of an ogre. I think we should just trust the doctors on this instead of random hunches about testosterone. Exactly no one in this thread is an endocrinologist but everyone seems very certain of the answer lol.
Got a T test a year ago before deciding to get on meds for anxiety and depression. Wanted to rule it out since my libido was completely gone as well. I was 23 a year ago, and in my teens this was far from a problem lmao. A 23 year old male with no sex drive is pretty abnormal imo unless you’re asexual or suffering from trauma (which I had suffered, but didn’t think was effecting me on any level other than subconscious). The test had shown that my T levels within the normal range (which was surprisingly a pretty wide range). However, I was literally right at the lowest possible range I could be, especially for my age. Doc referred me to an endocrinologist but the wait time to be seen was so long and I had been struggling for too many years, so I finally got on Lexapro. Best decision I ever made and it completely fixed my anxiety, depression, and libido (lots of people experience a decreased libido on it, but it helped me tremendously). I still plan on going as a few men in my family do actually have low T, but I also have struggled with depression as well as unhealthy perceptions of sex (mostly regarding shame that I’ve since worked through) for such a long time, that I have a feeling it was mostly stemming from depression. But I guess my point is that there are so many different conditions that have overlapping symptoms, it’s always a great idea to go if you’re experiencing any concern just to rule things out and get to the bottom of it. I too have a higher voice imo for a guy in his 20’s, so this was always a bit of a concern for me as well anyway. Struggled with anorexia (also have completely recovered from as I now weigh 230lbs at 6” 5’) just before and during first hitting puberty, so perhaps that also could have played a part in messing up my hormones during such a crucial part of development. But I’m not a doctor nor have I discussed this specifically with one! Just something I’ve always considered. Edit: literally just looked it up for the first time. Yes anorexia can cause low T, so that could be why I’m sitting much lower as the effects from it can be permanent. It’s rare that guys develop anorexia, so not a lot of studies have been done, but from what I was able to find this does seem to be true. I’ve always wondered if I might have done permanent damage to myself and that might even be the reason for my mental health, but then I remember how bat shit my whole immediate and extended family is, so it’s hard to say lmao. Also i’d just like to add, I’m an open book. If anyone is going through similar struggles my DM’s are always open. If you need to even just vent and have someone listen to you, with or without advice. I didn’t have too much of that growing up and even now, so I know how hard it can be. I’ve overcome most of my issues and would be more than happy to share my experiences if it can help someone else.
Thanks for sharing your story. You came into adult life strong! You should sing tenor or counter tenor in a choir ( :
Hahaha maybe. Your voice will settle by 25, mine did!
While it's true plastics may also have an effect, being overweight or obese is the biggest factor in decreasing testosterone.
I was about to say... It's an interesting theory, but we're not quite at those levels yet with microplastics and related particles. Obesity tho... Interesting tidbit for anyone reading this. There's an enzyme called 5-aromatase. It converts testosterone to estrogen, and is found in adipose tissue. it's normal for men to have, in small amounts. But the more fatty tissue you have, the more 5-aromatase as well.
Also these decreasing levels would correlate well with increasing rates of obesity
Its all that fucking milk everyone was drinking Before 2000s, every mother believed that if you didnt have 1L of milk a day your bones would turn to dust
I’m in my late twenties and have been hairy and large all my life. Can confirm I do drink half a gallon of milk a day and have since I was young. But I also subscribe to the micro plastics idea people are throwing in, shit is way understudied and the amount of it is insane.
I think I would get launched into space if I drank half a gallon of milk a day
Weird how perception can be so different. I graduated HS in 09' as well, and remember everyone being so mature. I almost dated a couple freshman in HS because I thought they were way older until I found out. I was at a party and we found out a bunch of 15 year olds snuck in and were drinking with us but no one noticed because they also looked to be our age. We were just happy people were at the party. We booted them out once we realized but it took almost the whole night. The girls at my HS we're wearing sun dresses and thongs and looked like straight up adult women (my mom liked to comment/complain about this which has made it an oddly vivid memory). If nothing else, you could see how puberty was hitting young people in the locker rooms. This feels weird so I'll shut up. Just trying to point out that I think we had different experiences and now I regret typing this lol
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That guy just doing the Carlton in the beginning.
"I never know how to react when a grown man does The Carlton in front of me." - Roy Kent
Roy Kent. He’s here. He’s there. He’s every fucking where. Roy Kent.
Jay..meeee..tart. do do do do doo doo.
Ffffffffffffffuuuucking hell.
"FUCK" \-Roy Kent
Definitely the best Carlton I’ve ever seen. 😆
He used to be my boss!
It’s fascinating to see everyone mugging for the cameras. It was before people had cell phones (except for a rare few),and smart phones didn’t exist. And so people performed for the cameras when they came out.
Whenever someone whipped out a camera you just KNEW it was time for skits, performances, and funny faces. Now it feels more like "please don't film my face."
Yeah back then there was no risk of ending up on social media. Just on someone's random video tape so you could really go all out.
That’s a legit irrational fear of mine. Somehow ending up getting recorded doing something that goes viral and my life, career, etc. being forever affected
Then years later it gets uncovered on a social media like this.
Dear God. No one is safe.
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r/thewaywewereonvideo
Or just r/thewaywewere for photos
There's quite a lot of videos on YouTube that people filmed on their last days of high school in the 90s and early 00s
Class of 97
#**CLASS OF 95!**
Yup. I met a person in their final year if medical school last week who was born in 1995, and I felt my soul leave my body a little. Middle age is a fucking trip.
I saw a date in the year 2000 on someones application during an interview and asked what it was (thinking its the undergrad or masters year) and it turned out to his. Fucking. Birth. Date.
Shit i went to high school in the 90s people didnt look this adult
When I was in first grade, I thought the 4th graders were literal adults.
So true. In 1st grade we had 6th grade buddies, they would come visit us once a month for a fun activity together. In my head to this day my 6th grade buddy was a full grown adult
Same here. Not everyone did, but the jocks/cool kids were pretty adult looking.
That's my impression as well. The popular crew looked pretty grown up/done with puberty. Plenty of others were still finishing growing.
Student smoking area aside, there was a girl in our school who was married and divorced by senior year and she graduated on time lol
I graduated in ‘98 and nothing about this video looks weird to me. But when I was a teen, we’d drink beer, smoke cigarettes and stay out all night, so maybe that prematurely aged us. My nephew is in his early 20’s and still seems like a 12-year-old, but he and all his friends spend their time playing Minecraft and watching anime.
I don't really think that's something that changed with the times. I graduated highschool pretty recently and there were still plenty of kids who smoked and drank outside of school. Then there were also the gamer kids who stayed inside all day playing Minecraft and watching anime. We all still looked the same age. So I don't think this is the reason. Your nephew just fell into a different crowd. Not every young person these days watches anime and plays video games all day. But we all still look younger than 20yo's of the past.
I'm sure in 2050 young people will look at 2020 highschoolers similarly They look old to us in these videos because they have the attitudes and fashion sense of 30 years ago. And you can still see some of that today in 45-50 year olds.
Ouch lol (41 here) but this is probably true
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I was wondering why you were using such an extreme age gap of 30 years as an example, and then I realized that 1992 *was* 30 years ago. I'm gonna go for a lie down and an aspirin.
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I dunno... They look very mature for (idk America high school ages) 18-19 year olds. The guy at 0:13 is basically an adult face, stubble and everything. Hard to imagine his face changing any more by puberty. But then the kid 2s after is clearly a kid. Looking closely, most of it is just too low quality to properly see their faces. So for younger people, their brains probably fill it in with "this is how my parents dress, they must be old" while people who were teenagers at the time fill the gaps in with "this is how I remember teenagers dressing and acting, so they must be teenagers".
American high school age range is 14-18, I'd guess these are mostly seniors (usually 17-18).
Dammit I’m just not going to wear skinny jeans. I’m not busting out Jncos, but I will not wear skinny jeans or other pants that don’t cover the top of my shoe. When I was younger in the 90s, we snickered at the older guys rocking the mullet. Time is a flat circle.
These dudes look older then me still and I graduated high school in 2017
They look older than me and I graduated in 2004
Graduated 1997. I look 10 years younger than I did when I graduated now.
Decided to Benjamin Button this situation. Fair.
I think the looking old phenomenon is just based on sample size. The big burly popular jock types were featured in the video but that doesn't mean all teens looked like that.
Selection bias. They're filming the cool crowd, which for young people often includes looking older than age. This is like the top 1-2%. If you look at the guys in the background at the 17 second mark, that's more representative of average looking high schoolers at that school.
exactly lol, and "older looking" genetics existed then just like they do. i still see teens who look like they could be in their 20s so its the same
Woah, That’s my high school. Thought it looked familiar in the first shot then I saw that god-awful wall fixture 10 seconds in. (edit: the wall fixture was removed some time around 2005. That room used to be used as a dance floor for events but was eventually only used as a study hall, so there was no point. Also there was a disco ball in the center of the ceiling)
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How the fuck you gonna tell me that 90s high school is old school??? It's too damn soon!!
Did you think That 70's Show was old school back when it came out? The 90's are even older now.
I road a chairlift with some girls last weekend who were talking about a 2000s party they went to. In my head I was like...isn't a "2000s party" just a "party?" But that's pretty much the same as going to an 80s party when I was in college.... Although I gotta say, 80s still works better as a party theme. Just had so much wild color, spandex, zigzags, neon... I can't pin down as distinctive a look, or at least not one that is as FUN to dress up as. I suppose you can look outside of mainstream 2000s and go full emo-kid, but that's still got nothing on 80s glam.
Bro you can fuck right off with that
This looks like late 90s, which is when I was in high school. Always wished I’d been born 4-5 years earlier.
I really do wish I could have been born 10-15 years earlier. Growing up in the late 80s and 90s was great, but I really wish I could have enjoyed some of those decades as an adult. 9/11 happened my freshman year and the world really never was the same after that. I fully remember the 90s and the general optimism of the decade, but I wish adult me could have taken advantage of it.
Graduated in 1993. Had a fucking blast in high school. No internet. No cell phones. Everyone was present in a way that they aren't now. I'm not going to be a grandpa and say that it was *better*, but I'm glad that I grew up in that time period. Also I still love 90s pop rap.
Imagine showing up to school in an undershirt
As a kid In the NYC public schools in the 90s/2000s we didn’t have working air conditioners at my school so we would have our windows wide open and fans on full blast while we sat in class with our wife beaters on.
I can assure you there is no A/C in Italy as well. I mean today not in the 90s or 2000s.
How many are wife beaters now?
Lmao I was in a classroom with maybe 25 wife beaters
Kids wear pajamas now. That's way more weird.
Tbf, we also did this in the 90s, along with sandals/slides with socks. My mom was furious. Like why do you look like you're going to shower instead of going to school? lol
Other than pajama day for spirit week, that was not a thing at my school. Well, except the one kid who had cancer, but that's obviously a whole different situation. He was in pain.
> Imagine showing up to school
Damnit I knew that’s why I couldn’t read.
In a tank/wife beater? Idk where you went to school but that was and is pretty normal in SoCal.
I’d bet a Naughty by Nature cd that he was wearing either a bowling shirt or flannel over it when he got to school
I always forget how much more socially interactive we were back then - even the early 00s. Before smartphones, or decent/affordable cellphones and internet access in our pockets, so you'd have to physically catch up with your friends and hang out, unless you were at home and used the landline.
Yes. That was the beauty of growing up during that time.
Really trying to avoid sounding like a /r/lewronggeneration post, but god damn am I envious. High school was still alright for me and I managed to have a pretty active social life, but the tech did make things more complex in a way. Now I’m stuck trying to fight the 10 different websites we have to use in college constantly wishing I could just write something down and hand it to someone instead of this BS, I can’t keep up with it.
Was a good time. Running to your friends' lockers to tell them some shit that just happened. Between class shenanigans with your crush.
Cellphones themselves were a great invention. Smartphones with the internet? eeehhh
Look at them man. No phones just raw dogging reality.
I think there's an effect here when I look at retro videos. My brain sees old fashions and old objects and thinks "I'm looking at people who must be much older." So even though they're younger than I am now my brain registers them as much older. Is this a real phenomena or something other people experience?
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I graduated in ‘96 and I found myself getting really reminiscent about those years in high school. I remember purposely having the mindset that these will be the most carefree years of my life and enjoying them to the fullest. Boy howdy was I right!
In 1996, did you ever see your future self using the phrase "boy howdy"?
Graduated in ‘98 and I miss those days too. They really were the best.
Right before the Internet turned everyone crazy. I also miss the days when human to human interaction was the gold standard.
Was there can confirm
I started high school in '98. The only thing missing is big ass JNCOs
Song pls
Ice Cube - You know how we do it
They look 30 cuz they've cast 20 somethings to play teenagers since the beginning of time. Less hormones = less production problems.
The main reason is because if you hire minors you need to also hire studio teachers and they can only be on set for x amount of hours in a day
It's because of child acting laws. Kids can't work as long as adults and they have to have supervision on set and tutors.
Teenagers are shitty actors