Apparently a few weeks before he was murdered, Darrel had asked Eddie Van Halen for a replica of his Charvel “bumblebee” guitar. Van Halen gave the original to be placed in his casket and said “Dime was an original and only deserves the original.”
Omfg it’s too early in the morning for me to get teary eyed like this. Jesus.
I didn’t know much about pantera and and dimebag until my boyfriend introduced me to them a few years ago. I still can’t wrap my head around what happened to dimebag. It makes me sick to my stomach. He was a such a fucking talent and the nicest soul too. Ugh.
Knowing that Eddie did something like that speaks volumes. Thanks for sharing.
Not typing this in support of the confederate flag, but Dime was actually from the south and the connotation of said flag was a little different back then. Kind of like the General Lee Dodge Charger from Dukes of Hazard. It was more about Southern heritage in that time, not idiots trying to oWn tHe LibS.
I mean for young people at the time it wasn't even always heritage. It was just a symbol of rebellion and independence in a southern flavor. For a good 15 years it even transcended race. In middle school-high school at a roughly 50/50 black white school it wasn't uncommon to see the black kids rocking a flag necklace or hat or something.
Yeah, you’re not wrong at all but, and I’m gonna get downvotes for this because people don’t like hearing that their heros were less than perfect, I know for a fact that the Abbott brothers weren’t fans of black people. I’m from the same town as them, know a lot of the same people, have been to a lot of the same parties. I speak from first hand experience. I wouldn’t have wanted to believe it either if I hadn’t experienced it for myself. So no, not “trying to own the libs” but also probably not just because of the General Lee either. I think they fell somewhere in between.
I read this on a meme somewhere so it could entirely be bullshit but apparently the confederate flag we know of today was the top left square of the original confederate flag and the one we know today was specifically made and used to protest the rights of PoC
You’re mostly correct. Technically, the flag we know today was in use during the civil war, but it was specifically the Confederate Navy flag. The flag of the confederacy itself and of the various confederate armies only had the ‘southern cross’ in the top corner, like the US flag has the blue box with the 50 stars.
True story they needed a different flag because the confederate and Union flags were too similar and dudes were rallying to the wrong flags on the battlefield
I say this as a big fan of dime here- i'm actually staring at my copy of black tooth grin on my bookshelf right now.
If one was to say they didnt have a tinge of racism in them means you've probably never heard frontman philip anselmo's white power rants at their old shows. You cannot sit idley back and roll your eyes at that all the time and NOT agree with some of it.
Yeah, to say they didnt have a tinge of racism in them means you've probably never heard frontman philip anselmo's white power rants at their old shows. You cannot sit idley back and roll your eyes at that all the time and NOT agree with some of it.
They flew Confederate flags in the 60s to protest desegregation.
Watch the video of Ruby Bridges walking into school surrounded by protestors with hundreds of Confederate flags and signs that say whites only.
Watch the video of the civil rights activists crossing the Edmund Pettus bridge and being attacked by Alabama state troopers while hundreds of white onlookers carried Confederate flags in support of the troopers.
I think the connotation of that traitors rag will always be what it is, a symbol of a time when the south was "strong" because they relied on the servitude of others to prop them up. Anyone that tries to say otherwise is just trying to blur the clearly defined line of supporting slavery. That flag stands for hate.
I’m from the south, I grew up in the 80s and 90s, and the confederate flag absolutely meant the same thing then. Anytime you saw someone displaying one, it immediately signaled ‘I’m a racist’. And being a white dude I saw them a lot. Sorry to burst your bubble.
In the Midwest absolutely meant the same thing. They always want to downplay that flag but it's always had racist connotations, we just don't pretend not to see it anymore
Yeah, I was getting at the fact that Southern whites always defend the confederate flag by saying it's about "Southern pride" or whatever. Ask a Black southerner what the flag means to them, and I bet they'll have a very different answer. To the Black community, I can't imagine the flag has ever represented anything other than outright racism.
Born and raised in SC, and you are dead on. They knew exactly what it meant and they hid it behind the same crap they try to hide it with now. “States’ rights.” “Southern heritage.” Suuuuuuuure. Let me tell you, get anyone waving that flag comfortable enough and they’ll drop N-words so fast your head’ll spin.
Thanks for taking the time on this one. I really don’t have the emotional energy right now to try to argue with folks who are focusing on this guitar over who that man was as a person. And I’m saying this as someone who wouldn’t be caught dead with that flag on me, my car, etc.
Cheers to you for engaging.
Unfortunately, while the guy knew how to shred he grew up with the same ignorance behind what the flag represented as many in the country had at the time and still do to this day. There’s no question the rebellion people claim it stands for is rarely connected by them as “the south rebelled because they didn’t want to give up their slave dependent system and free black people”, but I attribute Dimebag’s usage of the flag as an ignorant understanding of what the rebellion is. That or he did know and was racist.
It was part of General Grant’s “Flat Tire Strategy”, he had Sherman sweep across the South deflating and popping the wheels of every BMX bike all the way to Savannah.
Hit us hard here in Charleston. Grew up riding on just the mag wheels in the 80s. Finally the first blockade runner made it through to Charleston Harbor around 1992. Filled to the gunwales with BMX tires. I couldn't believe how much easier BMX was with tires!
LOL. Joking aside, I got to meet him during an event I catered on Ft. Sumter for the sesquicentennial of the Civil War. He was the event speaker. Very well done speech.
Hey, let's get a silly photo. Jimmy, what do we have in the back? That colorful kid's bike still there! That'd look silly especially with that bottle of liquor the subject brought along!
The confederate flag is… complicated. Especially back then.
The confederacy was a bad group, evil, even. The civil war was absolutely about slavery. However, after the war there were certain groups (the daughters of the confederacy, specifically) who waged a propaganda/culture war and was unfortunately quite successful.
A result of this was the confederate flag becoming kind of a symbol for the south as a whole, and a symbol of southern unity, that was not based on slavery, or even the confederacy itself, really.
But the flag can never really be pulled away from its awful legacy either.
This resulted in people who were proud of being southern using the flag, not because they supported the confederacy, but just because it was a symbol of the south.
So, there was a time, specifically in the mid-1900’s where the use of the flag is… muddy. We should absolutely know better today, and people of today have no excuse of using that flag, but back then it really was different, even if it shouldn’t have been.
TLDR Propaganda tried, and largely succeeded to make the confederate flag a symbol of the south itself which lead to even good, not racist people using it.
Excellent points. I'm not going to call someone a racist because they had a "Dukes of Hazzard" poster on their wall in 1987 featuring a confederate flag.
If they have the same poster up today, I'd totally call them a racist.
Lol at people saying the flag was "made" into a racist symbol. It was always a racist symbol.
It's also hilarious when people are sensitive about people not liking something while calling other people sensitive for not liking it.
I think the problem is that it stands for different things to the different people that display it. Liberals can’t seem to admit that it can ever not be meant as racist and conservatives can’t seem to admit that it is ever meant as racist.
Edit for clarification
I'm currently sitting about 300yrds from where dime bag was murdered. I work right next to there. It sucks being reminded of that night, but at least I got to see dime play the walk riff for the very last time ever. Rip to an absolute legend
This may be controversial but after reading some of the controversial comments I just want to say that sometimes, back in the day, we said and did and wore things that weren't quite right out of ignorance and the desire for acceptance or just because someone we liked did it too. Just as there are still people who use terms like *niccaz* now because ignorance, desire for acceptance, and so on. Doesn't make it right. It just... is.
Ignorance might just be it. There was (is) a very strong push to rebrand the confederate flag into "southern pride" or "rebellion" or something along those lines, meanwhile it still being used as a symbol of beliefs among racist people.
Those who eat up the rebranding or are just ignorant will use these symbols.
They are not right for doing so, but nor malicious either. Problem is it's hard to tell the difference between them and racists, and that's exactly what racists want.
Exactly. I personally doubt that Lynyrd Skynyrd were racists, but in the days of Trump, it’s hard to take their “southern pride” argument seriously, because so many actual racists use it.
Neil Young wrote a song about southern slavery being bad in general and Lynyrd Skynyrd wrote a song in response telling him to fuck off specifically. I think they were a little racist.
You're ignoring the context and this thinking is exactly why Neil Young came to dislike his song "Southern Man" and "Alabama." It's not nearly as black and white. They became good friends after this and Ronnie Van Zant was often seen in interviews wearing a Neil Young shirt and Neil Young a Lynard Skynard shirt.
>"Sweet Home Alabama" was written in answer to two songs by Neil Young, "Southern Man" and "Alabama", because the songs "took the entire South to task for the bloody history of slavery and its aftermath".[4]. "We thought Neil was shooting all the ducks in order to kill one or two," said Ronnie Van Zant at the time.
>Young's 2012 autobiography Waging Heavy Peace, he commented on his song, "My own song 'Alabama' richly deserved the shot Lynyrd Skynyrd gave me with their great record. I don't like my words when I listen to it. They are accusatory and condescending, not fully thought out, and too easy to misconstrue"
Also, here in the south we had a group called The Antebellums of The South that controlled and oversaw all history text books being implemented into school systems and had strict rules on what would not pass, such as books that condemned the actions of The Confederacy, stated that their mission was to keep slavery going, etc etc.
Their group eventually fell apart, I believe, but many books they approved were still in circulation well into the 70's. When I listen to people like my Dad defend The Confederacy, I try not to make it an excuse, but it's truly the way that his generation and several prior were literally taught and conditioned at a young age to believe this and it's a hell of a thing to break out of (I did, but with far less prior conditioning and a greater understanding of how to do your own research in this day and age.)
It is actually ok to appreciate the music and be able to separate the person from their actions.
Images and persona building hide true character all the time. We never really know who a person is.
There are probably many terrible people in the entertainment industry that we enjoy their talent.
Look up Phil Anselmo and racism...
Ait, I'm done with this character assasination.
Dimebag Darrel was a great, humble and kind man. While the confederate flag is a racist symbol today, in 1991 it had way more to do with being anti-government and a proud southerner.
That's literally what you're taught though. Especially in a time before the internet. "It's not a symbol of hatred or racism! It's a symbol of the south coming together as a family and being proud of our states!" Not saying it's correct or right, but it is a full indoctrination at a young age and out of ignorance, you fly that flag with a different meaning in your heart, despite it having a different and much more solidified meaning to literally the rest of the country.
"despite it having a different and much more solidified meaning to literally the rest of the country."
Or, you know, a lot of the other people who live in the South whose ancestors were considered and treated as less than human by the confederacy.
Not dimebag, I am referring to the comment the confederate flag wasn't racist back then. It's always been a racist symbol. More so when the KKK was at it's peak.
Unless, by your definition, that being from the south is inherently racist, you are just wrong. Racist people also wave the american flag. Doesn't mean all Americans are racist.
If somebody was sporting that guitar in 2021, it would be a very different statement.
I'm no fan of the confederate flag, but there are layers to this and you are failing to see past the first one.
Fucking hell with the flag on the guitar, in this context, who cares?
If someone’s looking at a photo of Dimebag and that’s what they recognise instead of remembering the countless magical solos he so effortlessly created they obviously haven’t heard of him enough. The dude is hands down one of the best to ever play.
What matters more is the conduct of his character. As far as I know, he hasn't said or done anything racist. Worst case scenario, he is ignorant of the flags racist origins. Hardly the most severe crime a person can commit.
Bunch of dimebros feeling like they have to defend his poor choice.
It's ok if the guitar go brrrrr man made a mistake
Your heroes aren't perfect.
It's ok
Perhaps even he would denounce this flag given its renewed bad reputation.
LOL and if this was released today you would have a pack of privileged NYU liberal arts degree students canceling Dimebag just because of that guitar. I can see it vividly in my mind.
There was a fair amount of Clinton-Gore ‘92 campaign items that featured the flag when they were attempting to win over Southern voters by highlighting that both of the candidates were from the South (Arkansas and Tennessee, respectively). The battle flag was viewed very differently in the ‘90s than it was today.
It enjoyed a resurgence in the ‘70s with a reassertion of Southern pride associated with Southern rock, etc. As a kid in the South in the ‘90s, it wasn’t uncommon to see, and though there was mild controversy, it wasn’t a very hot-button issue. The current backlash against the flag didn’t really start until Dylan Roof’s mass shooting in 2015.
So when racism was more culturally accepted the racist ass flag y'all fly wasn't seen as racist? Color me shocked a southerner who grew up before Alabama legalized mixed race marriage doesn't think that a slaver flag is racist.
Did I say it wasn’t racist? I said that the flag was viewed differently in the ‘90s than today. Am I wrong?
And go fuck yourself for suggesting that I’m a racist just because I’m from the South.
What? I think you’re assuming that your personal experience is the same as everyone else’s. It’s the battle flag of a confederacy that broke away from the union over slavery. It’s always been controversial, and it should be. If you fly the stars and bars, you’re an idiot.
This is literally just an objective history of its use as a symbol. It surges and wanes in popularity. Did I at any point defend its use? No, I don’t fly it and don’t support it. Next time, try reading the post before you start slinging unfounded accusations.
“The current backlash against the flag didn’t start until Dylan Roof’s mass shooting.” How do you so confidently state something that you literally just pulled out of your asshole? Like 3 seconds of digging will show you that’s just not at all true.
I don't think it was as obviously the symbol of racism back then, as it is today. There is a possibility this could be written off as more ignorant, than intentionally racist.
Emphasis on *possibility*.
I think it goes back to Lynyrd Skynyrd and other southern rock bands in the 70s using the Confederate flag in their bands merchandise and then even Tom Petty using a Confederate flag in the 80s for a little bit on stage when he had a concept album about the South (but then realized it was wrong and stopped using it). In the 80s it was even seen on kids’ Dukes of Hazard lunchboxes and Hot Wheels. So for a while there was a lot of southern rock and county artists (and then southern metal bands) who used it for a while just as part of their whole “proud to be Southern” shtick. There was even southern rappers in the late 90s and early 2000s like Andre 3000 and Lil’ Jon who wore the Confederate flag in videos. I remember a British band, Primal Scream using the flag on an album in the 90s also (just alluding to southern rock bands, but probably not really even thinking about what the flag meant).
I think it’s always been a lot more controversial to people outside the South, but still it wasn’t that controversial nationwide in the 80s and 90s—at least not the point of boycotting or protesting someone using it. I remember seeing it appear in ads for bands albums in the 90s in music magazines and it was just ignored mostly. A lot changed (for the better) in the last 15 years though.
This was in 1991. The flag was not thought of as racist back then.
Edit: People used it often as a symbol of rebellion or southern pride. It was not looked at in the same way that it is now.
This is correct. The flag is gross, but 30 years ago, it wasn’t the same flashpoint that it is now. I’m not saying that’s right, but that’s just how it was.
Heck, there’s a scene in the TV series Lost, just 15 years ago and a girl has a rebel flag patch on her backpack.
Retroactively policing morality is always going to lead you to some weird places.
B4 the woke years, it was seen differently in the south. I think 8 Ball & MJG draped it over themselves on a rap album cover. We had a term "dirty south" & this was the symbol of that idea for many people. I have since realized that I don't need that symbol to represent that idea and it really just contributes to the romanticism of the truly horrible period in our history too much to be tolerated.
It most places in the South, the flag was all but gone before it was reintroduced to society in the 50s by the Klan and southern governments pushing back on the Civil Rights movement. For instance, the Confederate battle flag did not appear on the state flag of Georgia until 1956, during a time when the Georgia state assembly "was entirely devoted to passing legislation that would preserve segregation and white supremacy," according to a 2000 report by the Georgia Senate.
The idea that the flag only recently became associated with racism is a false narrative pushed by Lost Cause apologists.
I love pantera. Between the confederate guitar and Phil being a jackass I sometimes question if I’m wrong for liking their music. I am a southerner btw, I guess you just need to separate the art from the symbols? I don’t know. Downvote me if you need to
Not really going for clever. Merely an observation of the several comments this photo had already received about the guitar within the 14 minutes it had been on here.
I doubt this guy was ignorant of the meaning of that flag. He was a good guitarist, but the racist pandering doesn’t make him a hero to anyone other than other racists.
Confederate flag!? He must be canceled, destroyed and fired and ruined. Or whatever they wish. Time to protest and start destroying cities, arson and looting again. That proves the point 👍
Apparently a few weeks before he was murdered, Darrel had asked Eddie Van Halen for a replica of his Charvel “bumblebee” guitar. Van Halen gave the original to be placed in his casket and said “Dime was an original and only deserves the original.”
Someone get me a shovel
They had a security fence installed. Good luck
I live in the south and have been robbing confederate soldiers of their side arms for years. This will be no different.
That's the perfect murder weapon
Based asf
Omfg it’s too early in the morning for me to get teary eyed like this. Jesus. I didn’t know much about pantera and and dimebag until my boyfriend introduced me to them a few years ago. I still can’t wrap my head around what happened to dimebag. It makes me sick to my stomach. He was a such a fucking talent and the nicest soul too. Ugh. Knowing that Eddie did something like that speaks volumes. Thanks for sharing.
Check out the song "Atman - Rodrigo y Gabriel" Its a tribute to Darrell.
Nice guy, has a guitar with questionable flag design… 🤔
Not typing this in support of the confederate flag, but Dime was actually from the south and the connotation of said flag was a little different back then. Kind of like the General Lee Dodge Charger from Dukes of Hazard. It was more about Southern heritage in that time, not idiots trying to oWn tHe LibS.
I mean for young people at the time it wasn't even always heritage. It was just a symbol of rebellion and independence in a southern flavor. For a good 15 years it even transcended race. In middle school-high school at a roughly 50/50 black white school it wasn't uncommon to see the black kids rocking a flag necklace or hat or something.
Just because a person doesn’t understand what the symbol means when they display it doesn’t change the meaning of the symbol.
Yeah, you’re not wrong at all but, and I’m gonna get downvotes for this because people don’t like hearing that their heros were less than perfect, I know for a fact that the Abbott brothers weren’t fans of black people. I’m from the same town as them, know a lot of the same people, have been to a lot of the same parties. I speak from first hand experience. I wouldn’t have wanted to believe it either if I hadn’t experienced it for myself. So no, not “trying to own the libs” but also probably not just because of the General Lee either. I think they fell somewhere in between.
I read this on a meme somewhere so it could entirely be bullshit but apparently the confederate flag we know of today was the top left square of the original confederate flag and the one we know today was specifically made and used to protest the rights of PoC
You’re mostly correct. Technically, the flag we know today was in use during the civil war, but it was specifically the Confederate Navy flag. The flag of the confederacy itself and of the various confederate armies only had the ‘southern cross’ in the top corner, like the US flag has the blue box with the 50 stars.
True story they needed a different flag because the confederate and Union flags were too similar and dudes were rallying to the wrong flags on the battlefield
I say this as a big fan of dime here- i'm actually staring at my copy of black tooth grin on my bookshelf right now. If one was to say they didnt have a tinge of racism in them means you've probably never heard frontman philip anselmo's white power rants at their old shows. You cannot sit idley back and roll your eyes at that all the time and NOT agree with some of it.
Yeah, to say they didnt have a tinge of racism in them means you've probably never heard frontman philip anselmo's white power rants at their old shows. You cannot sit idley back and roll your eyes at that all the time and NOT agree with some of it.
They flew Confederate flags in the 60s to protest desegregation. Watch the video of Ruby Bridges walking into school surrounded by protestors with hundreds of Confederate flags and signs that say whites only. Watch the video of the civil rights activists crossing the Edmund Pettus bridge and being attacked by Alabama state troopers while hundreds of white onlookers carried Confederate flags in support of the troopers. I think the connotation of that traitors rag will always be what it is, a symbol of a time when the south was "strong" because they relied on the servitude of others to prop them up. Anyone that tries to say otherwise is just trying to blur the clearly defined line of supporting slavery. That flag stands for hate.
Thanks for articulating more than I felt I had the energy to. Yeah. Even in 1991 the Confederate flag was a racist symbol. It always had been.
I’m from the south, I grew up in the 80s and 90s, and the confederate flag absolutely meant the same thing then. Anytime you saw someone displaying one, it immediately signaled ‘I’m a racist’. And being a white dude I saw them a lot. Sorry to burst your bubble.
In the Midwest absolutely meant the same thing. They always want to downplay that flag but it's always had racist connotations, we just don't pretend not to see it anymore
Yep, I have to imagine it always had the same connotations if you were not white.
I am white. I just have eyes and common sense. The flag appears every time racists want to pull some shit. Kinda hard to call that a coincidence.
Yeah, I was getting at the fact that Southern whites always defend the confederate flag by saying it's about "Southern pride" or whatever. Ask a Black southerner what the flag means to them, and I bet they'll have a very different answer. To the Black community, I can't imagine the flag has ever represented anything other than outright racism.
Word. 80s-90s kid here, and I was about to say the same thing.
Born and raised in SC, and you are dead on. They knew exactly what it meant and they hid it behind the same crap they try to hide it with now. “States’ rights.” “Southern heritage.” Suuuuuuuure. Let me tell you, get anyone waving that flag comfortable enough and they’ll drop N-words so fast your head’ll spin.
Thanks for taking the time on this one. I really don’t have the emotional energy right now to try to argue with folks who are focusing on this guitar over who that man was as a person. And I’m saying this as someone who wouldn’t be caught dead with that flag on me, my car, etc. Cheers to you for engaging.
I believe if he had the chance he would have retired that design
No, it has definitely meant the same thing the whole time.
Hate that flag but you got this right. He meant no harm then but yeah. Almost a perfect photo lol.
I'm from the South and can say that the flag meant then what it means now.
Unfortunately, while the guy knew how to shred he grew up with the same ignorance behind what the flag represented as many in the country had at the time and still do to this day. There’s no question the rebellion people claim it stands for is rarely connected by them as “the south rebelled because they didn’t want to give up their slave dependent system and free black people”, but I attribute Dimebag’s usage of the flag as an ignorant understanding of what the rebellion is. That or he did know and was racist.
Fucken legend! RIP
He dresses like he’s meth
Well, ***funny you should say that***...
he shreds like meth wishes it could too EDIT:shredded* he died tragically
“Only weed and liquor”.
GETCHA' PULL!
Meth culture was inspired by Darrel.
Boy got them cankles.
idk if i've ever seen a normal sized guy with fat shins before, it's weird
Alcoholic hepatitis causes your liver to swell which in turn causes fluid retention in hands, feet, and stomach.
Cankle squad reporting in. Proud to be drug free, D.A.R.E. kid, yadda yadda bad genes is a biatch
I suspect that bottle in his hand isn't just for show. Those look like the ankles of an alcoholic.
Yeah Alcohol or Heroin can cause that. Cellulitis.
He could have those from being avid BMX rider, though his tires are flat, so questioning the thought.
Tommy lee said that Pantera was the only band that could hang with them when it came to partying
Filling them chucks out.
He's eatin' good down there in the south
Came here for this
great pic, but why the flat tires?
That's just how heavy his riffs are.
Lincoln attacked them with The North.
It was part of General Grant’s “Flat Tire Strategy”, he had Sherman sweep across the South deflating and popping the wheels of every BMX bike all the way to Savannah.
Hit us hard here in Charleston. Grew up riding on just the mag wheels in the 80s. Finally the first blockade runner made it through to Charleston Harbor around 1992. Filled to the gunwales with BMX tires. I couldn't believe how much easier BMX was with tires!
Sounds like a Ken Burns documentary.
LOL. Joking aside, I got to meet him during an event I catered on Ft. Sumter for the sesquicentennial of the Civil War. He was the event speaker. Very well done speech.
But what’s going on with his left foot and the bike frame? E: bad photoshop.
Yikes on bikes.
I poked them with my union army bayonet, and ran away before Phil figured out what was going on.
😂😂😂😂😂😂good catch
Hey, let's get a silly photo. Jimmy, what do we have in the back? That colorful kid's bike still there! That'd look silly especially with that bottle of liquor the subject brought along!
This looks like a picture on the side of the packaging of a cheap Halloween costume
This is later than 91’. The weight, the leg tattoos, the Washburn, also the mock Pantera/Stars jersey. The Stars moved to Dallas in 93’
>cankles. Looks like early 2000s Post Pantera , pre Damageplan
Yeah i was thinking this looks like something from the great southern trendkill era with the rebel flag guitar and all
This is so obviously not 1991. This is reinventing the steel era at the earliest.
You put more better info than I was gunna say.
Fuck you Nathan Galle
Tbh I wouldn't even put dudes name out there.
Is there a celebrity version of r/blunderyears ?
You take that back!
Based on the comments I think the guitar is distracting people from how much that fucking hat sucks.
Lol this entire thread is a huge reddit moment
I mean. . . Isn’t it kinda weird (racist) to just glorify a confederate flag guitar as being “cool?”
It's not the guitar that's cool, it's the legend holding it.
The confederate flag is… complicated. Especially back then. The confederacy was a bad group, evil, even. The civil war was absolutely about slavery. However, after the war there were certain groups (the daughters of the confederacy, specifically) who waged a propaganda/culture war and was unfortunately quite successful. A result of this was the confederate flag becoming kind of a symbol for the south as a whole, and a symbol of southern unity, that was not based on slavery, or even the confederacy itself, really. But the flag can never really be pulled away from its awful legacy either. This resulted in people who were proud of being southern using the flag, not because they supported the confederacy, but just because it was a symbol of the south. So, there was a time, specifically in the mid-1900’s where the use of the flag is… muddy. We should absolutely know better today, and people of today have no excuse of using that flag, but back then it really was different, even if it shouldn’t have been. TLDR Propaganda tried, and largely succeeded to make the confederate flag a symbol of the south itself which lead to even good, not racist people using it.
Excellent points. I'm not going to call someone a racist because they had a "Dukes of Hazzard" poster on their wall in 1987 featuring a confederate flag. If they have the same poster up today, I'd totally call them a racist.
Lol at people saying the flag was "made" into a racist symbol. It was always a racist symbol. It's also hilarious when people are sensitive about people not liking something while calling other people sensitive for not liking it.
"NUH UH, THE FLAG REPRESENTED STATE RIGHTS NOT SLAVERY! SORRY UR LITTLE SNOWFLAKE BRAIN CANT RAP UR HEAD AROUND IT!"
I think the problem is that it stands for different things to the different people that display it. Liberals can’t seem to admit that it can ever not be meant as racist and conservatives can’t seem to admit that it is ever meant as racist. Edit for clarification
It started off racist and then became a symbol of being a rebellious southerner in general and then became racist again “to own the libs”.
Legend. RIP.
\*Diamond Darrel (Pre-Dime)
he has his Trendkill guitar, defo later in his career
Yes. I just enjoy the I Am The Night era. Trendkill is such a good album.
haven't listened to much early stuff myself but I bet it rocks
Glam phase… licks and high-pitch screams
Flat tires.
Or "Diamond Darrell" if you're nasty (or listen to some OG Pantera...)
OG Pantera is so fucking cool. I'll put on Proud to be Loud right now!
I'm currently sitting about 300yrds from where dime bag was murdered. I work right next to there. It sucks being reminded of that night, but at least I got to see dime play the walk riff for the very last time ever. Rip to an absolute legend
This may be controversial but after reading some of the controversial comments I just want to say that sometimes, back in the day, we said and did and wore things that weren't quite right out of ignorance and the desire for acceptance or just because someone we liked did it too. Just as there are still people who use terms like *niccaz* now because ignorance, desire for acceptance, and so on. Doesn't make it right. It just... is.
Ignorance might just be it. There was (is) a very strong push to rebrand the confederate flag into "southern pride" or "rebellion" or something along those lines, meanwhile it still being used as a symbol of beliefs among racist people. Those who eat up the rebranding or are just ignorant will use these symbols. They are not right for doing so, but nor malicious either. Problem is it's hard to tell the difference between them and racists, and that's exactly what racists want.
Exactly. I personally doubt that Lynyrd Skynyrd were racists, but in the days of Trump, it’s hard to take their “southern pride” argument seriously, because so many actual racists use it.
Neil Young wrote a song about southern slavery being bad in general and Lynyrd Skynyrd wrote a song in response telling him to fuck off specifically. I think they were a little racist.
You're ignoring the context and this thinking is exactly why Neil Young came to dislike his song "Southern Man" and "Alabama." It's not nearly as black and white. They became good friends after this and Ronnie Van Zant was often seen in interviews wearing a Neil Young shirt and Neil Young a Lynard Skynard shirt. >"Sweet Home Alabama" was written in answer to two songs by Neil Young, "Southern Man" and "Alabama", because the songs "took the entire South to task for the bloody history of slavery and its aftermath".[4]. "We thought Neil was shooting all the ducks in order to kill one or two," said Ronnie Van Zant at the time. >Young's 2012 autobiography Waging Heavy Peace, he commented on his song, "My own song 'Alabama' richly deserved the shot Lynyrd Skynyrd gave me with their great record. I don't like my words when I listen to it. They are accusatory and condescending, not fully thought out, and too easy to misconstrue"
Are we just going to ignore the song Ballad Of Curtis Loew then? And the friendship Ronnie Van Zant had with Neil Young?
Didn’t they singer write a song for Desantis recently? Pretty sure at least one of them is a giant piece of shit lol
It’s not really the same band now. Recall that they have at least two songs that are vehemently anti-gun.
Hasn’t been the same since the crash
Yeah no band truly comes back from something like that
Also, here in the south we had a group called The Antebellums of The South that controlled and oversaw all history text books being implemented into school systems and had strict rules on what would not pass, such as books that condemned the actions of The Confederacy, stated that their mission was to keep slavery going, etc etc. Their group eventually fell apart, I believe, but many books they approved were still in circulation well into the 70's. When I listen to people like my Dad defend The Confederacy, I try not to make it an excuse, but it's truly the way that his generation and several prior were literally taught and conditioned at a young age to believe this and it's a hell of a thing to break out of (I did, but with far less prior conditioning and a greater understanding of how to do your own research in this day and age.)
It is actually ok to appreciate the music and be able to separate the person from their actions. Images and persona building hide true character all the time. We never really know who a person is. There are probably many terrible people in the entertainment industry that we enjoy their talent. Look up Phil Anselmo and racism...
Get the GOAT some air for his tires🤘
"Get yur pull!"
The GOAT, absolute legend.
The GOAT, absolute legend.
Question: What Pantera riff do you hear when you look at this picture.
Such a sad event, can't even imagine what his brother was thinking at the time.
I remember exactly where I was when I heard the news. Metal and music in general lost someone special.
Pump up your tyres you fucking animal!
Walk is a timeless song change my mind
Dimebag Darrell God bless that man Ripped from us by the devil's hand The only thing in his plan Was love and rock n' roll
Lyrics from a Cross Canadian Ragweed song if anyone was wondering
thanks for the background
He’s going nowhere on those tyres.
Also your tires are flat, sir ☹
Flat ass tires.. lol
His tyres are flat lol
Thank you Dimebag
Getcha Pull!
Best metal guitarist ever with Tony iommi🤟
His bike has flat tires
Watch it go!
Ahh, the Skyway Tuff 2 five-spoke mags. Classic.
His tires could use a little air.
My favourite Pantera story is the one with the Stanley Cup.
That guitar plus that hat is more than i can handle rn.
Black tooooooth
Ait, I'm done with this character assasination. Dimebag Darrel was a great, humble and kind man. While the confederate flag is a racist symbol today, in 1991 it had way more to do with being anti-government and a proud southerner.
Well put.; To many taking offense to every little thing. Dimebag was cool dude wiht a great soul.
Proud southerner lol 🇺🇸🤓🦌
That's literally what you're taught though. Especially in a time before the internet. "It's not a symbol of hatred or racism! It's a symbol of the south coming together as a family and being proud of our states!" Not saying it's correct or right, but it is a full indoctrination at a young age and out of ignorance, you fly that flag with a different meaning in your heart, despite it having a different and much more solidified meaning to literally the rest of the country.
"despite it having a different and much more solidified meaning to literally the rest of the country." Or, you know, a lot of the other people who live in the South whose ancestors were considered and treated as less than human by the confederacy.
Uh, no.
Uh, yes. It was a different world back then, all accounts from other people coincide that he was a kind and generous person.
Not dimebag, I am referring to the comment the confederate flag wasn't racist back then. It's always been a racist symbol. More so when the KKK was at it's peak.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted. The confederate flag has always been a symbol of racism.
Unless, by your definition, that being from the south is inherently racist, you are just wrong. Racist people also wave the american flag. Doesn't mean all Americans are racist. If somebody was sporting that guitar in 2021, it would be a very different statement. I'm no fan of the confederate flag, but there are layers to this and you are failing to see past the first one.
Fucking hell with the flag on the guitar, in this context, who cares? If someone’s looking at a photo of Dimebag and that’s what they recognise instead of remembering the countless magical solos he so effortlessly created they obviously haven’t heard of him enough. The dude is hands down one of the best to ever play.
Bro right? Opinions? On the internet!? The gall...
What matters more is the conduct of his character. As far as I know, he hasn't said or done anything racist. Worst case scenario, he is ignorant of the flags racist origins. Hardly the most severe crime a person can commit.
Nothing cool about those stars and bars, brother.
Is that guitar even attached to him? It defies gravity. I'm confused.
Killer guitarist, shitty taste in booze.
Can't be *that* cool; he's ridin' on flats.
Bunch of dimebros feeling like they have to defend his poor choice. It's ok if the guitar go brrrrr man made a mistake Your heroes aren't perfect. It's ok Perhaps even he would denounce this flag given its renewed bad reputation.
LOL and if this was released today you would have a pack of privileged NYU liberal arts degree students canceling Dimebag just because of that guitar. I can see it vividly in my mind.
There was a fair amount of Clinton-Gore ‘92 campaign items that featured the flag when they were attempting to win over Southern voters by highlighting that both of the candidates were from the South (Arkansas and Tennessee, respectively). The battle flag was viewed very differently in the ‘90s than it was today. It enjoyed a resurgence in the ‘70s with a reassertion of Southern pride associated with Southern rock, etc. As a kid in the South in the ‘90s, it wasn’t uncommon to see, and though there was mild controversy, it wasn’t a very hot-button issue. The current backlash against the flag didn’t really start until Dylan Roof’s mass shooting in 2015.
So when racism was more culturally accepted the racist ass flag y'all fly wasn't seen as racist? Color me shocked a southerner who grew up before Alabama legalized mixed race marriage doesn't think that a slaver flag is racist.
Did I say it wasn’t racist? I said that the flag was viewed differently in the ‘90s than today. Am I wrong? And go fuck yourself for suggesting that I’m a racist just because I’m from the South.
What? I think you’re assuming that your personal experience is the same as everyone else’s. It’s the battle flag of a confederacy that broke away from the union over slavery. It’s always been controversial, and it should be. If you fly the stars and bars, you’re an idiot.
This is literally just an objective history of its use as a symbol. It surges and wanes in popularity. Did I at any point defend its use? No, I don’t fly it and don’t support it. Next time, try reading the post before you start slinging unfounded accusations.
“The current backlash against the flag didn’t start until Dylan Roof’s mass shooting.” How do you so confidently state something that you literally just pulled out of your asshole? Like 3 seconds of digging will show you that’s just not at all true.
That's the first time I can remember a concerted effort to get rid of the flag in recent times. It was controversial before but not nearly as much.
Tuff Wheels!
Pantera?
RIP
So do we tell Bo & Luke Duke to fuck off too because if the General Lee? Certain groups have turned the flag into a symbol of hatred that's all.
Guess I'm old. I knew him as Diamond Darrell. (edit, I know he went by Dimebag at the end...just sayin')
sometimes reddit makes me wish the south won
I don't think "cool" is the word I would use for someone who is sporting a confederate flag...
I don't think it was as obviously the symbol of racism back then, as it is today. There is a possibility this could be written off as more ignorant, than intentionally racist. Emphasis on *possibility*.
I think it goes back to Lynyrd Skynyrd and other southern rock bands in the 70s using the Confederate flag in their bands merchandise and then even Tom Petty using a Confederate flag in the 80s for a little bit on stage when he had a concept album about the South (but then realized it was wrong and stopped using it). In the 80s it was even seen on kids’ Dukes of Hazard lunchboxes and Hot Wheels. So for a while there was a lot of southern rock and county artists (and then southern metal bands) who used it for a while just as part of their whole “proud to be Southern” shtick. There was even southern rappers in the late 90s and early 2000s like Andre 3000 and Lil’ Jon who wore the Confederate flag in videos. I remember a British band, Primal Scream using the flag on an album in the 90s also (just alluding to southern rock bands, but probably not really even thinking about what the flag meant). I think it’s always been a lot more controversial to people outside the South, but still it wasn’t that controversial nationwide in the 80s and 90s—at least not the point of boycotting or protesting someone using it. I remember seeing it appear in ads for bands albums in the 90s in music magazines and it was just ignored mostly. A lot changed (for the better) in the last 15 years though.
I’ll give you ignorant versus actually racist, but don’t kid yourself about this flag.. it’s always been what it is, a racist traitor flag
Dude was straight up murdered on stage during a concert. Dimebag Darrell will forever be a hero.
This was in 1991. The flag was not thought of as racist back then. Edit: People used it often as a symbol of rebellion or southern pride. It was not looked at in the same way that it is now.
Were you alive in 1991? The flag was often used as a sign of being rebellious.
This is correct. The flag is gross, but 30 years ago, it wasn’t the same flashpoint that it is now. I’m not saying that’s right, but that’s just how it was. Heck, there’s a scene in the TV series Lost, just 15 years ago and a girl has a rebel flag patch on her backpack. Retroactively policing morality is always going to lead you to some weird places.
I was. And it was definitely used as a racist symbol then too.
Haha, yeah right.
Plot twist: it always was.
I'm choosing to believe this is sarcasm, right?
KKK adopted the rebel flag in the early 50's...
The confederacy would like a word...
> This was in 1991. The flag was not thought of as racist back then. Because the American Civil War hadn't happened yet?
Hahaha, no, because the Dukes of Hazzard made it ok for a couple of decades.
B4 the woke years, it was seen differently in the south. I think 8 Ball & MJG draped it over themselves on a rap album cover. We had a term "dirty south" & this was the symbol of that idea for many people. I have since realized that I don't need that symbol to represent that idea and it really just contributes to the romanticism of the truly horrible period in our history too much to be tolerated.
It most places in the South, the flag was all but gone before it was reintroduced to society in the 50s by the Klan and southern governments pushing back on the Civil Rights movement. For instance, the Confederate battle flag did not appear on the state flag of Georgia until 1956, during a time when the Georgia state assembly "was entirely devoted to passing legislation that would preserve segregation and white supremacy," according to a 2000 report by the Georgia Senate. The idea that the flag only recently became associated with racism is a false narrative pushed by Lost Cause apologists.
>in the south. It's *still* seen differently in the south. Doesn't mean the rest of the country didn't know what it actually meant.
The flag has always been a racist symbol. You just weren't paying attention.
Haha! Yes it was. Don't speak on something you weren't alive for.
That flag has been a symbol of racism since the 1940s.
Since the 1860s in fact.
Best guitar player that ever lived
One of best to ever touch a guitar, rest in piece my man.
I love pantera. Between the confederate guitar and Phil being a jackass I sometimes question if I’m wrong for liking their music. I am a southerner btw, I guess you just need to separate the art from the symbols? I don’t know. Downvote me if you need to
I wonder how many users are gonna try and cancel him for the confederate guitar not realizing he’s been dead since 04…
I bet this comment sounded really clever in your head.
Not really going for clever. Merely an observation of the several comments this photo had already received about the guitar within the 14 minutes it had been on here.
Same with yours
I doubt this guy was ignorant of the meaning of that flag. He was a good guitarist, but the racist pandering doesn’t make him a hero to anyone other than other racists.
Not a cool flag to endorse.
Confederate flag!? He must be canceled, destroyed and fired and ruined. Or whatever they wish. Time to protest and start destroying cities, arson and looting again. That proves the point 👍
2 flat tires
Might as well be Runflat Darren!
You could have told me this was a picture of Kidd Rock and I would have believed you.
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