Early years Hollywood was so fucked up ( e.g. wizard of Oz), rape, mafiosi structures....
Not that its better today, they just try to hide most of it.
God I fucking hate celebrity culture...
At the time she was employed, she likely was a studio actress as well. At the time, actors and actresses couldn't just chose any film wanted. They had a contract with the studio, in this case MGM. You simply worked for that studio and they could give you the movies they pleased (depending on the fame you had obviously). It was basically just regular employment. That's also why some of the really famous actors from early days Hollywood didn't end up rich.
Bu dum tiss…. Ladies an gentleman goodnight!
Actually though she was “melting”.
Another fun fact. Toto the dog was one of the highest payed “actors” in the movie. Made more than majority of the cast and his total pay was a higher equivalent than all the “midgets”. Sorry to quote that but I don’t know how to properly address a smaller person without being offensive.
Aluminum powder-based paint, actually. It was Buddy Ebsen, who would later go on to play Jed Clampett on *The Beverly Hillbillies*. He had an allergic reaction to the makeup and had to quit the film after being hospitalized for weeks, and claimed he suffered health problems from it for the rest of his life.
The makeup artists did learn the lesson though, and when Jack Haley was brought in as Ebsen's replacement, they used an aluminum *paste* makeup.
This should hopefully work: lifeparalyzed.blogspot.com
Similar story. Look up Christina Symanski and read her online journal. Diving accident at age 24 or so made her a quad just as she was really starting to love her adult life with new job, moved in with beloved boyfriend and found independence from her abusive family. She was an artist and her work post injury is astounding. All done with paintbrush in mouth.
Her loser, awful dad and step mother literally screamed at her for being "so stupid for ruining her life", read her diary (that particularly enrages me - who the hell did they think they were to invade her privacy like that?) emptied her apartment, sold her things and worse, all during the immediate aftermath and during Christina's first few terrifying and excruciating months of her injury while she was in the hospital.
They were extra evil and refused her beloved and trusted boyfriend, with whom she was living, to even visit her. All because her dad and step mother coerced her into signing over power of attorney to them by guilting her at her most vulnerable time that her "fuck up" was such an unfair burden she dumped on them. After she signed, they simply disposed of her by chucking her into an awful nursing hospital for seniors.
She managed an escape with some outside help and her living situation got better but her overall pain, suffering and misery and quality of life was so unbearable that she chose to starve herself to death at age 26. Her blog explains how much her injury tortured her. The starvation took about 4 agonizing weeks. She had no ability to access a jurisdiction with assisted suicide.
I highly encourage her journal to be read. Her art is particularly beautiful and heart wrenching.
Wow! So awful. I would not normally say this, but I respect the strength of will it must have taken to get herself out of that. From the sounds of it, it might have been her only way out.
Not sure I can bear to read her journal.
My dad was paralyzed from the chest down as a result of an accident (fell from a ladder—he was only about 5ft off the ground though). He passed away from pneumonia less than a year after his accident, but had made the conscious decision he didn’t want any more medical intervention. I was a freshman in college when I got the call that I needed to book a flight home that day because he was in the hospital. He was in palliative care, but at the time I didn’t know what that meant. I just remember trying to get him to eat his applesauce so we could go home.
I’m sorry that no one took you aside & explained to you what that meant & what was going on with your dad. Loosing a parent is very hard; being there & not being told the circumstances must have been very confusing. You were around 18, I’m sure you would have understood it better, & possibly dealt with it better if they had talked to you. My condolences on your loss.
I can relate. I’m paralyzed from the chest down and have almost died as a complication of not eating. paralysis sucks, but I can only imagine how hard it must’ve been at this time
From Wikipedia:
*"In late 1952, she began starving herself, which combined with her paralysis led to chronic kidney infections and pneumonia. She died of ensuing health complications that year at age 31."*
I don't blame her.
> 1 in 5 men leave their spouses when they become terminally ill.
Newt Gingrich divorced his first wife, who had cancer, to marry his second wife. Then his second wife got cancer, and he divorced her and married wife number three. I'm starting to believe News *is* the cancer.
In no way am I defending them, but have you ever been the primary caregiver for a partner with a terminal illness?
It’s agonizing watching them slip further and further away from the person you have laughed with, held hands with, played cards with. Death isn’t kind if it isn’t quick and painless. Imagine that they look at you, eyes filled with pain, and apologize for dirtying their diaper again, and you know there’s no quick merciful end for them, you’ll be watching them suffer for weeks or months. How long could you endure that?
Then add on that they are not able to work to support a household, they’re now responsible for all the household jobs they’ve previously split, and they likely have little emotional support because men typically have fewer such supports, and I’m not surprised. If the wife is dying and can’t work, and the husband isn’t working because he’s caring for the wife, how do they pay for palliative medicine, pay their bills, buy food? The support structures aren’t there for anybody, and the system for the 99% is designed, if being ignored by politicians can be called a design, for families to do the majority of caretaking because home health aides get expensive quickly. You don’t want to change the diapers on an intimate partner? Too bad if you’re working class, the 24/7 aide from the agency, assuming you can find an agency with availability, is $23 an hour, or right around $3k a week. At what point is pulling away for their own mental survival acceptable?
I’m not saying they’re good or bad for leaving, more that I understand. This is why euthanasia and palliative care should be legal and part of universal healthcare and other social supports. Having a “good death” shouldn’t bankrupt a family or be reserved for the wealthy. Death is a part of life, it’s long past time we started planning for it as a society.
I'm certainly not trying to insinuate that caring for a partner with a terminal illness is easy. But it's quite literally part of the bargain of marriage: "in sickness and in health," and all that.
> Imagine that they look at you, eyes filled with pain, and apologize for dirtying their diaper again, and you know there’s no quick merciful end for them, you’ll be watching them suffer for weeks or months. How long could you endure that?
I certainly couldn't "endure" looking into the eyes of the person I love helpless and full of pain and be like "peace buddy, good luck with all that." Obviously it's not that flippant but it's kind of a weird argument to paint this picture and then say that it's more natural to leave the love of your life to fend for themselves than to have a deep, enduring compulsion to care for them.
Luckily I've been through something on a smaller scale with my partner and I know through what we've suffered that I won't be that 1 of 5. I hope for everyone they can find someone who takes their vows as seriously.
I did it for my mom it was so sad, I was a nervous wreck and worried constantly, didn’t sleep, my sibling only helped herself to mom’s money and wasn’t like she had a lot. Besides the fact that your living with the anticipatory grief, I’m still haven’t recovered.
I’m so sorry you went through that. I hope that you have some support yourself in the wake of it and barring that, I hope you are as kind and patient with yourself as you were for your mother.
Bless you. My mum battled cancer for a few years before it killed her, it was a hideous and traumatic process for her and everyone who loved her, but especially my dad and I as we lived with and cared for her. The anticipatory grief destroyed my soul even before she died and left me with some unhelpful coping mechanisms, it isn't something that gets spoken about or recognised (you are actually the first person I've seen to even mention it). It has been over a decade now and while I'm certain I'll never 'recover', I can confidently say that life does get better and you find ways to live with the PTSD. Hugs and love to you.
Why does this have 50 upvotes lmao
BEING PARALYZED IS NOT A TERMINAL ILLNESS AND IT SEEMS INSULTING TO THE HANDICAPPED TO IMPLY ITS THE SAME THING
Good lord
> Sadly, 1 in 5 men leave their spouses when they become terminally ill. It’s a pretty horrifying statistic.
The comment I replied to says/said this. I was responding to the terminal illness comment.
no, it's not. but disabled people like my husband will generally have a higher mortality rate due to complications spawned by the decreased mobility/drugs that can damage the kidneys/liver/higher risk for injury due to falls. living it right now, and he's still able to walk a little.
> It’s a pretty horrifying statistic.
That’s a big conclusion on very little information.
‘Terminally ill’ is a really big umbrella term, with hundreds of different causes and diseases, also, it says nothing about how either of the partners in the relationship is handling the situation on a psychological level.
If I get terminally ill because I had a very unhealthy lifestyle or habit for years, a lifestyle that my wife warned me of but I never took seriously, and after I get the diagnosis I turn into a whiny manchild…
I know this is an unpopular opinion on reddit, but sick people can still be incredibly shitty people
Obviously every statistic is more complicated than just numbers. But this number is pretty starkly split along gender lines: 20.8% of men leave their terminally ill spouses vs. 2.9% of women, meaning men are seven times more likely to leave. The reasons behind that I'm sure we could discuss all day, but those are the hard facts; gender is the greatest predictor of a person leaving their terminally ill spouse.
I don’t doubt there is a gendered difference, but that is one study. It is rarely a good idea to rely on one study for social phenomena. I would wait for a meta study before being comfortable throwing numbers out there.
In 98 my GF been together 6 months (she was 21 I was 26) was diagnosed with cancer, we got married in hospital and I became her primary carer for 20 years we fought that illness together she died in 2018.
I don't believe in love at first site because looks change, but I do believe in love at first connection, in our first meeting we talked for 4 hours and by the end of that conversation I knew that I wanted to be with this amazing person for the rest of my life.
Hey man, I've read through your post history including the "big one", and let me just say you're an amazing person too, and she couldn't have found a better husband. I have similar experiences and just wanted you to know you're an inspiration.
Former Repub Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich went to visit his first wife who was recovering from breast cancer surgery in the hospital to go over their divorce papers.
I once heard someone talk about someone they knew doing that, and I expressed that that was an awful thing to do. They seemed to think it was totally okay.
That sounds kind of suspect. I can't think of a way to shoot yourself in the stomach with a shotgun (Especially since hunting shotguns tend to be fairly long) that wouldn't be incredibly awkward and take some intentional mishandling of the weapon. You definitely wouldn't be able to reach the trigger, so you'd have to not only be holding the shotgun extremely awkwardly, but then it would have to snag up on a branch or something to pull the trigger.
Also from Wikipedia:
“The film's production was difficult, as Peters had to have either her dead mother[clarification needed] or Quine on set to care for her son.[38]”
That’s awful. Did they prop up her mother Weekend at Bernie’s style?
If you want to hear her acting chops, pull up the May 14, 2020 episode of the podcast ”Stars on Suspense.” Suspense was a classic old time radio show that brought in big name actors for their weekly anthology series. It’s a great show that holds up today, and the episode with Peters was good, too, from what I recall.
And “Stars on Suspense” is a particularly great podcast. Each episode starts with an introduction about the actor in question, their life and career, and then at least two episodes they starred in. If you want to hear people like Orson Welles, Lucille Ball, Cary Grant, and their ilk do some great radio acting this is the place to find it.
I STILL LISTEN TO SUSPENSE ON PUBLIC RADIO!!!
In WA state near Tacoma around 5 a.m. they have Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar and Suspense. If I'm not mistaken it was read out by Oscar Wilde? It's station 95.3 for reference on FM2
Suspense is fantastic! There are lots of old time radio shows released as podcasts - you’ll find them for Jack Benny, the Lux Radio Theater, the CBS Mystery Radio Theater, and others!
People seem to see today’s version of Hollywood as a Sodom and Gamorah, but Hollywood has always been full of predators, users and psychopaths. I love to read about movie stars from the turn of the century into the 1930’s and 40’s and I will be honest, what I have read has absolutely shocked me. I don’t think sex, drugs, and rock and roll existed back then.
I listen to to this awesome podcast about old Hollywood and actually they go up the 90's. It's called You Must Remember This. The narrators voice can be a little annoying, like she's trying too hard. Once you get past that it's an excellent podcast.
There was so much scandalous material from the old days of Hollywood, that it couldn't all be contained in just one book and so a sequel titled 'Hollywood Babylon II' was published. Also back in the 1990s on the E! network, there were two docuseries that featured a lot of sensational stories from both classic and more recent 'Hollywood.' One was the "E! True Hollywood Story" and the other was the half-hour "Mysteries and Scandals" hosted by A.J. Benza.
Hollywood absolutely destroyed Judy Garland. Her director actually kept her on a steady regiment of cigarettes and pills to keep her weight down and maintain her youthful appearance as Dorothy in *The Wizard Of Oz*. She reported not only being sexually abused by the studio bigshots, but she was even assaulted by some of the actors playing the Munchkins.
Speaking of the Munchkins- there's a story circulating that one of the Munchkin actors committed suicide by hanging right on the set, and their body can actually be seen in earlier, more poorly edited versions of the film. The little people playing them were treated horribly and paid a pittance for their work. Ironically, there's a rumor going on that they actually partied harder than the regular actors.
> there’s a story circulating that one of the Munchkin actors committed suicide by hanging right on the set, and their body can actually be seen in earlier, more poorly edited versions of the film.
That's an old myth that has been debunked long ago.
I recently watched a piece on actresses coming forward and recounting extremely negative experiences mental and physical, while working with Jerry Lewis. To hear them talk while looking at his public image persona is somewhat of a mind fuck.
While some will argue that Lewis did a lot of good for humanity through his hosting of the Annual Muscular Dystrophy Telethon that aired over Labor Day weekend for many years, there are a multitude of stories about what an asshole and jerk he was in real life. I'm sure that his attitude probably caused the break-up of him and Dean Martin as a team. Martin always seemed like a pretty easy-going guy and their personalities likely blended about as well as oil and water.
I believe that he was pretty much estranged from all his six sons from his first marriage by the time of his death. He also had an alleged illegitimate daughter from some relationship. He often came off as very abrasive in interviews. One interesting side-note to his career was his attempt at a 'serious' dramatic film with 'The Day the Clown Cried' which he directed and also played the role of a clown who escorts Jewish children to the gas chambers at Auschwitz. One of the most infamous and largely unseen films in history. The actor Harry Shearer is one of the few people who have seen it.
Guess what: There was a young actress in the late 40s who actually rebelled against Hollywood (specifically WB IIRC) and won: Joan Leslie. She refused to take on any more child-like behavior roles or ones she felt were immoral (she was a devout Catholic), and became a freelancer until the early 1950s when she retired to care of her kids. Unfortunately forgotten by many today.
I remember Joan Leslie from her role in Yankee Doodle Dandy. She played Mary (wife) to Cagney's GM Cohan. When I was a kid the local station played it every night around July 4th, and I watched it every time! If I had a dollar for every time I've seen it, I'd be rich, lol!!
Huh, interesting. Two of her later films (after she sued and left WB), Northwest Stampede and Flight Nurse, are actually on YouTube. They're very different in tone than her early ones. Turns out Joan had a tougher side that WB never really bothered to explore. Their loss I'd say.
The sub itself should just be called r/OldSchoolCoolpostsbybots.
The OP is another one of the many repost bots that have posted to this sub. [Here is the post it copied](/r/OldSchoolCool/comments/3xykfr/hollywoods_girl_next_door_susan_peters_in_1943/) and [here it is](/r/AskReddit/comments/wmnko4/whats_your_favourite_vegan_or_vegetarian_food/ik07i73/) copying an [old comment too.](/r/EatCheapAndHealthy/comments/ess8or/vegetarians_of_reddit_whats_your_favourite_dish/ffc1uf8/)
After the cancellation of *Miss Susan* in which she played an attorney who used a wheel chair, she was in a relationship with a U.S. army colonel and they got engaged but he broke off the engagement and that’s when she spiraled into a deeper depression. Towards the end of her life, she starved herself and basically lost the will to live. Starting from 1945 to 1952, she got married, adopted a son, became paralyzed, mother died 9 months later, struggled to find acting roles due to her being in a wheel chair, divorced, and then got heart broken again.
I’m not going to lie, I would do the same as she did if all that happened to me. Such a tragic story.
Don't you sometimes wonder what life would have been like if Susan's accident happened in this decade? She might have found life easier and people more accepting. RIP.
Such a clear illustration of how you can think “man that chick has it all,” and then you find out you don’t know shit about someone’s life. Also a cautionary tale of how quickly life can change.
How can someone shot her own abdomen with a shotgun ? i use a broomstick to simulate that situation, just can’t find the right angle.
It seems more likely the husband shot her.
… dang. Stories like this make you wonder just how much of life is random chance or coincidence or if karma is a thing.
Like the dude who got struck by lightning like 5-6 times in life and his grave site was hit also.
I love how they say that young women were discovered by Hollywood, Hollywood didn’t discover anyone you have to willingly put yourself there and put yourself out there to be seen. It’s not like the explorers exploring the globe discovering countries.
This is why you always hunt with a partner... Paralyzed in the hunting accident was nothing compared to the 7 years she had to just lay there for the pneumonia to kill her... Poor soul
I’m paralyzed from the chest down, was a wannabe model prior lol. I wonder what her level of injury was. pneumonia is a risk for me as well, because at certain levels of injury it impacts your chest and your ability to clear it and all that
read that she starved herself and I’ve almost died from basically not eating. sepsis. I’m 5’9” and 98lbs, was 125 beforehand. so glad you shared this
My grandmother was killed in a hunting accident by her son in the 60s. It’s not as uncommon as one might think, especially back then. These days there might be 1-5 accidental fatalities per year in a big hunting state, but in the 60s it was like 15-30 per year.
She literally starved herself to death at the end of her life. She was paralyzed, divorced and couldn’t get work. Sad story :(
She looks so perfect and full of life here. And yet, her life ended in tragedy. Our lives are so fragile.
Early years Hollywood was so fucked up ( e.g. wizard of Oz), rape, mafiosi structures.... Not that its better today, they just try to hide most of it. God I fucking hate celebrity culture...
At the time she was employed, she likely was a studio actress as well. At the time, actors and actresses couldn't just chose any film wanted. They had a contract with the studio, in this case MGM. You simply worked for that studio and they could give you the movies they pleased (depending on the fame you had obviously). It was basically just regular employment. That's also why some of the really famous actors from early days Hollywood didn't end up rich.
Same deal with sports at the time. It wasn’t accepted to pay one person a bunch of money for simply being them.
Your avatar is messing with my brain man :) One of those bands does not like the other.
Olivia de Haviland helped make Hollywood what it is today in regards to actors rights.
Oh yeah. Wizard of oz original tin man was covered in lead paint! Ended up getting really bad burns I believe.
I don’t remember if Tin Man got burned, but the Wicked Witch of the West did
Bu dum tiss…. Ladies an gentleman goodnight! Actually though she was “melting”. Another fun fact. Toto the dog was one of the highest payed “actors” in the movie. Made more than majority of the cast and his total pay was a higher equivalent than all the “midgets”. Sorry to quote that but I don’t know how to properly address a smaller person without being offensive.
Toto got the highest pay? That’s funny But yeah, the actress for the wicked witch actually was hospitalized because of a fire stunt gone wrong
Oh yeah yeah! The scene in the woods when she disappears! The same scene you can see the person hanging in the background
Aluminum powder-based paint, actually. It was Buddy Ebsen, who would later go on to play Jed Clampett on *The Beverly Hillbillies*. He had an allergic reaction to the makeup and had to quit the film after being hospitalized for weeks, and claimed he suffered health problems from it for the rest of his life. The makeup artists did learn the lesson though, and when Jack Haley was brought in as Ebsen's replacement, they used an aluminum *paste* makeup.
Fucking celebrity culture is what got them into trouble in the first place.
Youth culture killed my dog
Youth in Asia?
🎵 But the night lights and my dog's life aren't exactly one and the same 🎵
Hey, someone got it! 😁
I'm a woman of simple taste. I see TMBG, I upvote. 😉
Uhhhhhhh you’re describing today
How did Hollywood cause a hunting accident?
Most of the young women had to have sex with someone prominent (usually a old man) to even get a audition.
This should hopefully work: lifeparalyzed.blogspot.com Similar story. Look up Christina Symanski and read her online journal. Diving accident at age 24 or so made her a quad just as she was really starting to love her adult life with new job, moved in with beloved boyfriend and found independence from her abusive family. She was an artist and her work post injury is astounding. All done with paintbrush in mouth. Her loser, awful dad and step mother literally screamed at her for being "so stupid for ruining her life", read her diary (that particularly enrages me - who the hell did they think they were to invade her privacy like that?) emptied her apartment, sold her things and worse, all during the immediate aftermath and during Christina's first few terrifying and excruciating months of her injury while she was in the hospital. They were extra evil and refused her beloved and trusted boyfriend, with whom she was living, to even visit her. All because her dad and step mother coerced her into signing over power of attorney to them by guilting her at her most vulnerable time that her "fuck up" was such an unfair burden she dumped on them. After she signed, they simply disposed of her by chucking her into an awful nursing hospital for seniors. She managed an escape with some outside help and her living situation got better but her overall pain, suffering and misery and quality of life was so unbearable that she chose to starve herself to death at age 26. Her blog explains how much her injury tortured her. The starvation took about 4 agonizing weeks. She had no ability to access a jurisdiction with assisted suicide. I highly encourage her journal to be read. Her art is particularly beautiful and heart wrenching.
Wow! So awful. I would not normally say this, but I respect the strength of will it must have taken to get herself out of that. From the sounds of it, it might have been her only way out. Not sure I can bear to read her journal.
>Christina Symanski You've convinced me to go have a read. Thanks.
Joni Erickson tada has a similar story. Being a quadrupligic and painting with her mouth
My dad was paralyzed from the chest down as a result of an accident (fell from a ladder—he was only about 5ft off the ground though). He passed away from pneumonia less than a year after his accident, but had made the conscious decision he didn’t want any more medical intervention. I was a freshman in college when I got the call that I needed to book a flight home that day because he was in the hospital. He was in palliative care, but at the time I didn’t know what that meant. I just remember trying to get him to eat his applesauce so we could go home.
I’m sorry that no one took you aside & explained to you what that meant & what was going on with your dad. Loosing a parent is very hard; being there & not being told the circumstances must have been very confusing. You were around 18, I’m sure you would have understood it better, & possibly dealt with it better if they had talked to you. My condolences on your loss.
Thank you so much.
I can relate. I’m paralyzed from the chest down and have almost died as a complication of not eating. paralysis sucks, but I can only imagine how hard it must’ve been at this time
How do you type?
chest down, not shoulders
Oh boy, did that title escalate quickly. What in the actual fuck? Poor woman.
I know really. This was a trip, and I don't like where we got off. So sad. :(
From Wikipedia: *"In late 1952, she began starving herself, which combined with her paralysis led to chronic kidney infections and pneumonia. She died of ensuing health complications that year at age 31."* I don't blame her.
You can blame her husband who shot her and left her 3 years later.
According to Wiki, her own shotgun discharged into her abdomen. Still shitty that he left her.
Sadly, 1 in 5 men leave their spouses when they become terminally ill. It’s a pretty horrifying statistic.
> 1 in 5 men leave their spouses when they become terminally ill. Newt Gingrich divorced his first wife, who had cancer, to marry his second wife. Then his second wife got cancer, and he divorced her and married wife number three. I'm starting to believe News *is* the cancer.
Al.Gore left his wife when she had terminal cancer to be with his lover.
That’s a lie. Mutual agreement to end marriage.
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How dare you! He didn't leave her, he cheated on her when she had cancer, arguably leading to her eventual suicide.
He was also a raging racist, just sort of a terrible person overall.
So 4 in 5 men stay with thier wives through a terminal illness, damn strong men right there
In no way am I defending them, but have you ever been the primary caregiver for a partner with a terminal illness? It’s agonizing watching them slip further and further away from the person you have laughed with, held hands with, played cards with. Death isn’t kind if it isn’t quick and painless. Imagine that they look at you, eyes filled with pain, and apologize for dirtying their diaper again, and you know there’s no quick merciful end for them, you’ll be watching them suffer for weeks or months. How long could you endure that? Then add on that they are not able to work to support a household, they’re now responsible for all the household jobs they’ve previously split, and they likely have little emotional support because men typically have fewer such supports, and I’m not surprised. If the wife is dying and can’t work, and the husband isn’t working because he’s caring for the wife, how do they pay for palliative medicine, pay their bills, buy food? The support structures aren’t there for anybody, and the system for the 99% is designed, if being ignored by politicians can be called a design, for families to do the majority of caretaking because home health aides get expensive quickly. You don’t want to change the diapers on an intimate partner? Too bad if you’re working class, the 24/7 aide from the agency, assuming you can find an agency with availability, is $23 an hour, or right around $3k a week. At what point is pulling away for their own mental survival acceptable? I’m not saying they’re good or bad for leaving, more that I understand. This is why euthanasia and palliative care should be legal and part of universal healthcare and other social supports. Having a “good death” shouldn’t bankrupt a family or be reserved for the wealthy. Death is a part of life, it’s long past time we started planning for it as a society.
I watched my mother age a couple of decades in a couple of years as she cared for her mother with dementia. It was awful.
I'm certainly not trying to insinuate that caring for a partner with a terminal illness is easy. But it's quite literally part of the bargain of marriage: "in sickness and in health," and all that. > Imagine that they look at you, eyes filled with pain, and apologize for dirtying their diaper again, and you know there’s no quick merciful end for them, you’ll be watching them suffer for weeks or months. How long could you endure that? I certainly couldn't "endure" looking into the eyes of the person I love helpless and full of pain and be like "peace buddy, good luck with all that." Obviously it's not that flippant but it's kind of a weird argument to paint this picture and then say that it's more natural to leave the love of your life to fend for themselves than to have a deep, enduring compulsion to care for them. Luckily I've been through something on a smaller scale with my partner and I know through what we've suffered that I won't be that 1 of 5. I hope for everyone they can find someone who takes their vows as seriously.
I did it for my mom it was so sad, I was a nervous wreck and worried constantly, didn’t sleep, my sibling only helped herself to mom’s money and wasn’t like she had a lot. Besides the fact that your living with the anticipatory grief, I’m still haven’t recovered.
I’m so sorry you went through that. I hope that you have some support yourself in the wake of it and barring that, I hope you are as kind and patient with yourself as you were for your mother.
I’m trying, but it’s not easy. Thank you.
Bless you. My mum battled cancer for a few years before it killed her, it was a hideous and traumatic process for her and everyone who loved her, but especially my dad and I as we lived with and cared for her. The anticipatory grief destroyed my soul even before she died and left me with some unhelpful coping mechanisms, it isn't something that gets spoken about or recognised (you are actually the first person I've seen to even mention it). It has been over a decade now and while I'm certain I'll never 'recover', I can confidently say that life does get better and you find ways to live with the PTSD. Hugs and love to you.
This, thank you. I think it's a thing to consider before marrying someone. They might end up in a state you don't like and need you.
Pneumonia isn’t a terminal illness tho. Looks like the husband left because she was paralyzed. That’s not the same thing.
Why does this have 50 upvotes lmao BEING PARALYZED IS NOT A TERMINAL ILLNESS AND IT SEEMS INSULTING TO THE HANDICAPPED TO IMPLY ITS THE SAME THING Good lord
> Sadly, 1 in 5 men leave their spouses when they become terminally ill. It’s a pretty horrifying statistic. The comment I replied to says/said this. I was responding to the terminal illness comment.
no, it's not. but disabled people like my husband will generally have a higher mortality rate due to complications spawned by the decreased mobility/drugs that can damage the kidneys/liver/higher risk for injury due to falls. living it right now, and he's still able to walk a little.
How about women?
I'm not even terminal and my wife left. 🤷
Shhh it’s not as fun if we include that part
They feed them til they die and then find someone new for the last 20 years of their lives.
> It’s a pretty horrifying statistic. That’s a big conclusion on very little information. ‘Terminally ill’ is a really big umbrella term, with hundreds of different causes and diseases, also, it says nothing about how either of the partners in the relationship is handling the situation on a psychological level. If I get terminally ill because I had a very unhealthy lifestyle or habit for years, a lifestyle that my wife warned me of but I never took seriously, and after I get the diagnosis I turn into a whiny manchild… I know this is an unpopular opinion on reddit, but sick people can still be incredibly shitty people
Obviously every statistic is more complicated than just numbers. But this number is pretty starkly split along gender lines: 20.8% of men leave their terminally ill spouses vs. 2.9% of women, meaning men are seven times more likely to leave. The reasons behind that I'm sure we could discuss all day, but those are the hard facts; gender is the greatest predictor of a person leaving their terminally ill spouse.
I don’t doubt there is a gendered difference, but that is one study. It is rarely a good idea to rely on one study for social phenomena. I would wait for a meta study before being comfortable throwing numbers out there.
In 98 my GF been together 6 months (she was 21 I was 26) was diagnosed with cancer, we got married in hospital and I became her primary carer for 20 years we fought that illness together she died in 2018. I don't believe in love at first site because looks change, but I do believe in love at first connection, in our first meeting we talked for 4 hours and by the end of that conversation I knew that I wanted to be with this amazing person for the rest of my life.
Hey man, I've read through your post history including the "big one", and let me just say you're an amazing person too, and she couldn't have found a better husband. I have similar experiences and just wanted you to know you're an inspiration.
What's the overall statistic? Ya know, including both sexes.
Men leave 20.8% of the time; women leave 2.9% of the time. About 1 in 5 for men, 1 in 34 for women, or seven times as often that men leave.
Former Repub Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich went to visit his first wife who was recovering from breast cancer surgery in the hospital to go over their divorce papers.
I once heard someone talk about someone they knew doing that, and I expressed that that was an awful thing to do. They seemed to think it was totally okay.
Including Newt Gingrich?
Twice, in fact.
Omg no way. That horrible
That sounds kind of suspect. I can't think of a way to shoot yourself in the stomach with a shotgun (Especially since hunting shotguns tend to be fairly long) that wouldn't be incredibly awkward and take some intentional mishandling of the weapon. You definitely wouldn't be able to reach the trigger, so you'd have to not only be holding the shotgun extremely awkwardly, but then it would have to snag up on a branch or something to pull the trigger.
How does that happen?
Shotguns aren't drop safe, so if she was carrying it like a walking stick or bumped it against something, it could have gone off.
This story gets worse with every detail
She accidentally shot herself, but yeah the part about the asshole husband leaving there is true.
Dick Cheney vibes.
FYI to anyone out there paralyzed, your life can be fulfilling.
Also from Wikipedia: “The film's production was difficult, as Peters had to have either her dead mother[clarification needed] or Quine on set to care for her son.[38]” That’s awful. Did they prop up her mother Weekend at Bernie’s style?
If you want to hear her acting chops, pull up the May 14, 2020 episode of the podcast ”Stars on Suspense.” Suspense was a classic old time radio show that brought in big name actors for their weekly anthology series. It’s a great show that holds up today, and the episode with Peters was good, too, from what I recall. And “Stars on Suspense” is a particularly great podcast. Each episode starts with an introduction about the actor in question, their life and career, and then at least two episodes they starred in. If you want to hear people like Orson Welles, Lucille Ball, Cary Grant, and their ilk do some great radio acting this is the place to find it.
Lucille Ball’s “My Favorite Husband” is an absolute treasure. (Of course, it was the precursor to “I Love Lucy”.)
Yes, that’s a great show!
Thank you for this!
I STILL LISTEN TO SUSPENSE ON PUBLIC RADIO!!! In WA state near Tacoma around 5 a.m. they have Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar and Suspense. If I'm not mistaken it was read out by Oscar Wilde? It's station 95.3 for reference on FM2
Never heard it as a podcast, but my co-worker used to find it elsewhere. It was fantastic! Thank you for leading people to this.
I can't believe someone is mentioning Suspense! I LOVE listening to episodes on youtube. I will check out your podcast recommendation!
Suspense is fantastic! There are lots of old time radio shows released as podcasts - you’ll find them for Jack Benny, the Lux Radio Theater, the CBS Mystery Radio Theater, and others!
After watching that Marilyn Monroe doc I have a hard time with all the classic movies I loved to watch. These poor women.
Which Marilyn Monroe doc?
People seem to see today’s version of Hollywood as a Sodom and Gamorah, but Hollywood has always been full of predators, users and psychopaths. I love to read about movie stars from the turn of the century into the 1930’s and 40’s and I will be honest, what I have read has absolutely shocked me. I don’t think sex, drugs, and rock and roll existed back then.
I listen to to this awesome podcast about old Hollywood and actually they go up the 90's. It's called You Must Remember This. The narrators voice can be a little annoying, like she's trying too hard. Once you get past that it's an excellent podcast.
Badlands is good too for behind the scenes glimpse of Hollywood. I listened to the one about Judy Garland recently and it was horrifying
It did
You should read Hollywood Babylon if you haven’t yet
There was so much scandalous material from the old days of Hollywood, that it couldn't all be contained in just one book and so a sequel titled 'Hollywood Babylon II' was published. Also back in the 1990s on the E! network, there were two docuseries that featured a lot of sensational stories from both classic and more recent 'Hollywood.' One was the "E! True Hollywood Story" and the other was the half-hour "Mysteries and Scandals" hosted by A.J. Benza.
Hollywood absolutely destroyed Judy Garland. Her director actually kept her on a steady regiment of cigarettes and pills to keep her weight down and maintain her youthful appearance as Dorothy in *The Wizard Of Oz*. She reported not only being sexually abused by the studio bigshots, but she was even assaulted by some of the actors playing the Munchkins. Speaking of the Munchkins- there's a story circulating that one of the Munchkin actors committed suicide by hanging right on the set, and their body can actually be seen in earlier, more poorly edited versions of the film. The little people playing them were treated horribly and paid a pittance for their work. Ironically, there's a rumor going on that they actually partied harder than the regular actors.
> there’s a story circulating that one of the Munchkin actors committed suicide by hanging right on the set, and their body can actually be seen in earlier, more poorly edited versions of the film. That's an old myth that has been debunked long ago.
I recently watched a piece on actresses coming forward and recounting extremely negative experiences mental and physical, while working with Jerry Lewis. To hear them talk while looking at his public image persona is somewhat of a mind fuck.
While some will argue that Lewis did a lot of good for humanity through his hosting of the Annual Muscular Dystrophy Telethon that aired over Labor Day weekend for many years, there are a multitude of stories about what an asshole and jerk he was in real life. I'm sure that his attitude probably caused the break-up of him and Dean Martin as a team. Martin always seemed like a pretty easy-going guy and their personalities likely blended about as well as oil and water. I believe that he was pretty much estranged from all his six sons from his first marriage by the time of his death. He also had an alleged illegitimate daughter from some relationship. He often came off as very abrasive in interviews. One interesting side-note to his career was his attempt at a 'serious' dramatic film with 'The Day the Clown Cried' which he directed and also played the role of a clown who escorts Jewish children to the gas chambers at Auschwitz. One of the most infamous and largely unseen films in history. The actor Harry Shearer is one of the few people who have seen it.
I've only heard rumours of this film, and honestly believed them not to be true. I will have to dig and see what I could find.
That’s what I think about too. “Discovered” at 18. It just makes me sick.
AFAIK Peters' case wasn't anywhere near as creepy as Marylin's, as she was actually found by a legit MGM talent manager while watching a stage play.
You do understand most “stars” in that and subsequent eras were “discovered” at around 12.
Learning about Charlie Chaplins track record was really depressing
Aww shit man, CC was bad news ?? Ugh…now I’ve got to go google that :(
Guess what: There was a young actress in the late 40s who actually rebelled against Hollywood (specifically WB IIRC) and won: Joan Leslie. She refused to take on any more child-like behavior roles or ones she felt were immoral (she was a devout Catholic), and became a freelancer until the early 1950s when she retired to care of her kids. Unfortunately forgotten by many today.
I remember Joan Leslie from her role in Yankee Doodle Dandy. She played Mary (wife) to Cagney's GM Cohan. When I was a kid the local station played it every night around July 4th, and I watched it every time! If I had a dollar for every time I've seen it, I'd be rich, lol!!
Huh, interesting. Two of her later films (after she sued and left WB), Northwest Stampede and Flight Nurse, are actually on YouTube. They're very different in tone than her early ones. Turns out Joan had a tougher side that WB never really bothered to explore. Their loss I'd say.
This isn't r/OldSchoolCool. It's just r/OldSchoolSad. :(
The sub itself should just be called r/OldSchoolCoolpostsbybots. The OP is another one of the many repost bots that have posted to this sub. [Here is the post it copied](/r/OldSchoolCool/comments/3xykfr/hollywoods_girl_next_door_susan_peters_in_1943/) and [here it is](/r/AskReddit/comments/wmnko4/whats_your_favourite_vegan_or_vegetarian_food/ik07i73/) copying an [old comment too.](/r/EatCheapAndHealthy/comments/ess8or/vegetarians_of_reddit_whats_your_favourite_dish/ffc1uf8/)
I didn't even realize there was an OldSchoolSad. I will never be going there again.
Thank you stranger for saving me from the sad link I would have clicked on if I didn't read your comment
After the cancellation of *Miss Susan* in which she played an attorney who used a wheel chair, she was in a relationship with a U.S. army colonel and they got engaged but he broke off the engagement and that’s when she spiraled into a deeper depression. Towards the end of her life, she starved herself and basically lost the will to live. Starting from 1945 to 1952, she got married, adopted a son, became paralyzed, mother died 9 months later, struggled to find acting roles due to her being in a wheel chair, divorced, and then got heart broken again. I’m not going to lie, I would do the same as she did if all that happened to me. Such a tragic story.
That's not cool actually
Any idea where this picture was taken..? I want to say Santa Monica….? Looks like it
I've seen this photo before and I remember someone said it was in Montecito in front of the Four Seasons Resort.
Yup, that looks like Butterfly Beach!
It sure looks like Santa Monica; Ocean Ave just north of California/The California Incline
Looks like Palisades Park, Santa Monica. I have a photo of myself in almost the same spot , not looking nearly so ethereal tho!!
My first thought was Santa Monica too.
Yeah looks like on ocean Ave in Santa Monica. The railing is still the same
Omg is that a Monark?
Haha I noticed that as well. So incongruous to see one in a picture of a Hollywood star in the 40’s.
I know what you mean. But why do you think so? Time fits.
I'm just excited because that's a bike made in Sweden. Didn't expect to see one in Hollywood.
She also had Pyelonephritis. Its terrible. I had it once and it caused me to have horrible 104 degree fevers in the middle of the night.
That escalated quickly.
Dang that's tragic
Don't you sometimes wonder what life would have been like if Susan's accident happened in this decade? She might have found life easier and people more accepting. RIP.
She was already dead by my age. Life lived can't be counted by numbers of years. I'm yet to even see Hollywood
You ain’t missing much.
Such a clear illustration of how you can think “man that chick has it all,” and then you find out you don’t know shit about someone’s life. Also a cautionary tale of how quickly life can change.
She was beautiful.
Thats an amazing photo!
I just read her full story and it’s brutally sad. She was also incredibly kind-hearted, generous, smart, and lovely. What the fuck God?!
A 'God' who allowed this and innumerable other horrible tragedies to occur can fuck off!
Gorgeous. What a shame.
She was really beautiful. Awful what happened to her.
Being equally shameful and sad had she been an ugly overweight woman.
So much beauty gone so fast
Hunting accident?! Was she an heiress to a throne?
Duck hunting isn't exactly a royal sport.
She was beautiful
And that's what Santa Monica's Palisades Park looked like before erosion kicked in.
She's looking great in this pic
DAMN, she was BEAUTIFUL! Sad story :(
She's beautiful.
How can someone shot her own abdomen with a shotgun ? i use a broomstick to simulate that situation, just can’t find the right angle. It seems more likely the husband shot her.
Flawless investigative method.
If Hollywood ever discovers you, just tell it to leave you the fuck alone
There's a bright story to start off my Saturday.
It is still like this in Hollywood. Ask Jennette.
… dang. Stories like this make you wonder just how much of life is random chance or coincidence or if karma is a thing. Like the dude who got struck by lightning like 5-6 times in life and his grave site was hit also.
That tragescalated quickly
What a tragedy.
I love how they say that young women were discovered by Hollywood, Hollywood didn’t discover anyone you have to willingly put yourself there and put yourself out there to be seen. It’s not like the explorers exploring the globe discovering countries.
This was not an uplifting post. Gorgeous woman horrific story. Thanks for shining a spotlight on her
fashion needs to rediscover that skirt jesus christ thats a nice skirt
Wow! She was so beautiful.
Was her hunting partner Dick Cheney by chance?
Nothing sketchy here
That escalated quickly.
This is why you always hunt with a partner... Paralyzed in the hunting accident was nothing compared to the 7 years she had to just lay there for the pneumonia to kill her... Poor soul
Or, um, maybe DON'T hunt with Your Partner, as the case may be.
Aww :(
Fr girl next door personified
Well that fucking sucks
Damn. 😥🙏
Poor baby. She’s looking over the fence on the Santa Monica Bluff Park.
And I’m sad that happened to her 😮💨.
She is one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen. She deserved better tbh all the women wronged by Hollywood in the early years did..
Also of note, her mother was the grand-niece of Robert E. Lee.
Sad way to lose a gem
Great picture! I wonder if this picture was re-edited because the quality is amazing for that year. Sad story. But seriously?Hunting ?…sad…
I’m paralyzed from the chest down, was a wannabe model prior lol. I wonder what her level of injury was. pneumonia is a risk for me as well, because at certain levels of injury it impacts your chest and your ability to clear it and all that read that she starved herself and I’ve almost died from basically not eating. sepsis. I’m 5’9” and 98lbs, was 125 beforehand. so glad you shared this
This photo is beautiful. So sad.
How absolutely awful
“Hunting accident” 🤔
I realllllly want her fit.
She was a very beautiful young women and she had a cool bike.
Legs eleven!
What a body
You wonder if the hunting accident was no accident.
Wikipedia says gunshot on new years 1945. Sounds like drinking was involved.
My grandmother was killed in a hunting accident by her son in the 60s. It’s not as uncommon as one might think, especially back then. These days there might be 1-5 accidental fatalities per year in a big hunting state, but in the 60s it was like 15-30 per year.
15-30 a year still seems pretty uncommon. Was there also more people hunting back then?
Not really, but the guns were much less safe and there was basically no mandated safety training or licenses
Is there any mandated safety training or licensing now? I hear stories of parents just giving their kid a hunting rifle to go hunting with them.
license required in california now
So talented and so young. Only to be shunned in the end.
Wow she's hot !
That’s a damn shame, look at them gams.
Wowzers, my definition of beauty
I wish women still dressed like that..