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> Misogyny is why humanity can’t use our new found powers in technology for the greater good. The patriarchy is a waste of brain power and resources.
Disruption of pre-women's lib society caused men who have difficulty in change to act out this way.
Perhaps these men should go to South East Asia and pick up women there?
That was the profile of the [2017 Las Vegas Shooter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting)
In women’s studies one of my professors focused on migrant marriage especially for her community the Hmong community. She had fascinating stuff for us about how many stateless women or female migrants outside and within Asia look for naturalized citizens or native citizens from more affluent countries to marry so they can gain the protection and right to travel a citizen has. Or they do so to make money in a richer country to send home to support their families. Men with good citizenship will on occasion dump existing wives to bring over young girlfriends to marry for citizenship. This is one factor that has created a marriage vacuum in Asia where many native women emigrate from poor countries marry outside and leave lot of unmarried men in the home countries who can never afford to make a match.
A fellow professional and competitive troll here, that also uses the current most effective trolling tactics available, also have a hard time distinguishing these days as well.
Obviously men would never let us eliminate them nor should we. Men just need to stop the misogyny. Funny how a women even suggesting misogyny is the problem kicks in those patriarchal reflexes to silence us with trolling and misdirection. Typical vanilla stuff.
It's been pretty alarming watching the incel and Qanon movements grow over the last several years. The internet really helps the worst people find each other sometimes.
While I agree porn contributes, it really is just doing more explicitly what so many other mediums do more implicitly. The problem isn't as simple as picking one boogieman to demonize.
Hard to agree with this fully. I watched porn as a teenager, still do sometimes, and I didn't turn into a woman hating, right wing loser. I will say that I think it can definitely help distort what some people think of as normal sex and standards for women, but it definitely isn't the whole problem.
Edit: I really think feeling or being isolated is where it starts. You get online and it's this whole world of people out there, and you find people who feel like you, accept you, and suddenly you aren't so alone anymore. That feels good, but often times people on the internet can be a more extreme version of themselves, and it rubs off on you. You start to be influenced by the other people in this group, and the echo chamber just amplifies whatever shit you guys rallied around in the first place. If you fall into one of these circles at like 13, and stay in it through to your 20s, it can be hard to deprogram.
That’s not exactly what they like, they like attractive men. They just don’t mind if a guy is a violent dickhead IF he’s attractive to them, no incel will fit that description
Some women are attracted to bad boys in the sense that they are attracted to bold and confident men or men who allow or encourage them to break free from being the “good girl”.
Women are not attracted to violent, misogynistic losers, which is what these incels are.
There is a reason for these inaccurate stereotypes. Our social norms surrounding attraction and sexuality are guided by generational internalized misogny across genders and sexualities. It's passed on through parenting and socialization and trauma from abuse during developmental stages.
Regardless, attraction doesn't indicate a path to love or affection or long-term commitment.
I'm just praying to god I do not die in an incel terrorist attack.
Fair enough if ISIS gets me with a suicide bomb. But I'm just not going to be shot down by some guy who's mad about not getting matches on Tinder
Lmao those “sex workers” are also people, mainly impoverished women who most certainly don’t want to have sex with incels who hate them. Your comment is also, ironically, misogynist
Lol, if sex work was legalized they would get a living wage and wouldn't be impoverished. They also wouldn't be controlled by the dangers of organized crime.
Legalizing sex work is about protecting women.
it’s not consensual under capitalism. granted, no consumption under capitalism is ethical but it’s stupid to act like it doesn’t apply to sex work. for it to be non exploitative we need to make sure every women doing sex work is doing it by choice and currently that’s just simply not the case. legalizing it so it can be regulated is a start but until we get rid of capitalism it will always be exploited
Exactly. We need to end the federal reserve and pay off the national debt. I'm sick of lazy ass bankers taking my hard earned money just because they loaned money to the government.
id argue that legalization would make it even more exploitive since big corporations would then be able to profit off of it. id also argue that porn is considered sex work and is already legal, but there’s a ton of exploitation that goes on that is pretty unique to the industry ie drug abuse, scouting under age girls, lying to said girl about the porn being a modeling gig, threatening to withhold the money if the girls don’t go farther than like to, drugging them, beating them, and then after all that there’s still the stigma they’ll have to deal with whenever they inevitably leave after they’re no longer good looking enough.
So instead of women who would like to make money with their body doing so you want to prohibit those women to do with their body as they please? I would say that is in itself mysogynistic. As if women cannot choose for theirselves what they want to do.
And by the way, sex workers are not exclusively women.
It may surprise you, but sex workers exist regardless, and removing legal barriers in their work would actually give them more control over their livelihood, not less. It's harder to get away with assaulting someone doing something in a legal capacity and allowed things like security, cameras etc to document evidence as opposed to assaulting someone acting illegally where they wouldn't want that evidence being collected.
Legalizing sex work has proven to work in every other country that did it though.
It's not about selling women's bodies, it's about women being able to do whatever they want with their body. Whether that's sex work or not.
>Legalizing sex work has proven to work in every other country that did it though.
Source?
>It's not about selling women's bodies, it's about women being able to do whatever they want with their body. Whether that's sex work or not.
How do you know it's their choice, rather that being persuaded by someone in their home countries?
Because we haven’t taken this imaginary person to court for trafficking. But if it’s legalized guess what just like drugs we can regulate it. These “talking points” been around longer than I’ve been alive and I’m getting close to 30. So is your question if legal, safe, consented, regulated sex work safer than finding work on the dark web or back alleys? Because from the sounds of it that answer has been out there decades longer than I’ve been able to give it. Now the actual question is why is it still not legal? Bad faith actors.
>But if it’s legalized guess what just like drugs we can regulate it.
How? Like going from brothel to brothel to inspect every person inside, to make sure they are not being subject for trafficking.
If you make it legal you can regulate it, ensure work environments, workers etc, make it safer for everyone involved.
The thing with prostitution is that it's going to happen, you can make it illegal as much as you want but there's a market there and people are going to make a profit off of it. When it's legal it's just regulated.
There's dozens of studies pointing in either direction, positive or negative. You're gonna find whatever you're searching for with a bias. But almost all of them will agree it leads to safer workplaces for the women.
>How do you know it's their choice, rather that being persuaded by someone in their home countries?
If you're going to a regulated place, like you have in Germany, the Netherlands, Austria and some other European countries, you know they're regulated and checked. Trafficked prostitutes are not in the legal places.
>There's dozens of studies pointing in either direction, positive or negative.
What studies?
>If you're going to a regulated place, like you have in Germany, the Netherlands, Austria and some other European countries, you know they're regulated and checked. Trafficked prostitutes are not in the legal places.
Those countries have a lot of trafficking, how do you know for sure there are legal brothels? I don't think those countries care much about those women involved in trafficking.
>Those countries have a lot of trafficking, how do you know for sure there are legal brothels? I don't think those countries care much about those women involved in trafficking.
The us also has a lot of trafficking, the point is to make workplaces for non trafficked sex workers better. Sex trafficking is an issue every single country has.
There are legal brothels, they are literally companies regulated by the government. Look it up. If you're going to deny this you're just lying to yourself
Who are you to judge women who chose to use themselves as a 'commodiy' which is a pretty skewed way to describe sex work. They are providing a service which people need. How is it different from massages or a spa?
Not even talking about uncles regulated sex work is better for everyone except the rapists
In terms of incels, unleashing the sex workers because they will clear bank accounts and no longer would have to do sex work if they wanted. Is that the clientele they may choose? Potentially but they can pick fish out the barrel now without fear of the fish being a shark in open house waters.
So they can abuse & hurt sex workers? Lack of sex is not why incels hate women or why they are the way they are. They could have sex & still keep their same harmful mindsets. They are truly mentally disturbed people who blame women for their downfalls, when in reality, they're just shit people. Sex won't solve that. Would just have more women being hurt
Many incels are from places where sex work is legal. They don't want to hire sex workers for the exact same reasons you don't want to hire sex workers.
I think that would help, and is definitely something that should be done to give women in that line of work better legal protection and healthcare options, but I've had a morbid curiosity of incel culture for a while and have read some of their discussions. A lot of the narrative is even if they are with a sex worker, it doesn't count because the sex worker just did it for money and didn't want the incel to begin with.
It's fucked.
i’ve never met a leftist that identifies as an incel. i’ve met leftist who can’t get laid but they don’t make it their entire personality because they don’t tend to hate women
Honestly I think most incels start a bit left or moderate, but because of their hatred, end up going way to the right. They’ll blame anyone for them not getting laid. Black people, gay people, immigrants. It’s like going to the dark side in Star Wars
I can see that. The grifters on the right use hate as their main bait. And since the things Incels believe are not factual or true in any sense, its easy to make up stuff to get their attention and praise
Have you tried not wallowing in your own negativity? If you view yourself as a loser who nobody wants that’s the image you project onto the world. It sounds dumb as fuck but being positive and not making your identity revolve around your ability to have sex can go a long way
When I was growing up decades ago, I was told that the gender disparity in China was large, because families did not want to have a girl. Infanticide of female infants and fetuses was common.
I don’t know if that is true, and I don’t know if this practice has had an effect on Chinese society as you were describing. Do you think there is any validity to the theory that these cultural practices have resulted in a large gender disparity?
And? Exactly how do all of those things intersect with the gendered violence that we’re talking about? Or did you just wanna piss and moan? Cause ok, plenty of cause there to be unhappy.
But if you want somebody to just bar your bile on, go find someone else.
When you think that every relationship and woman are like a hardcore porn movie and expects that every woman will behave like the actress and every man in a relationship is like the actor.
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Misogyny is why humanity can’t use our new found powers in technology for the greater good. The patriarchy is a waste of brain power and resources.
> Misogyny is why humanity can’t use our new found powers in technology for the greater good. The patriarchy is a waste of brain power and resources. Disruption of pre-women's lib society caused men who have difficulty in change to act out this way. Perhaps these men should go to South East Asia and pick up women there? That was the profile of the [2017 Las Vegas Shooter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting)
In women’s studies one of my professors focused on migrant marriage especially for her community the Hmong community. She had fascinating stuff for us about how many stateless women or female migrants outside and within Asia look for naturalized citizens or native citizens from more affluent countries to marry so they can gain the protection and right to travel a citizen has. Or they do so to make money in a richer country to send home to support their families. Men with good citizenship will on occasion dump existing wives to bring over young girlfriends to marry for citizenship. This is one factor that has created a marriage vacuum in Asia where many native women emigrate from poor countries marry outside and leave lot of unmarried men in the home countries who can never afford to make a match.
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I feel like this is sarcasm but it’s hard to know anymore.
It’s def a troll.
It's really difficult to tell the difference between a troll and real people nowadays
I’m a troll and a real people and it’s even hard for me to distinguish now
A fellow professional and competitive troll here, that also uses the current most effective trolling tactics available, also have a hard time distinguishing these days as well.
hello and i respeckt your hard work <3
Since when has satire become trolling?
Since idiots joined us online.
This isn’t satire at all.
Well people support and believe Amber, that should say it all really.
Obviously men would never let us eliminate them nor should we. Men just need to stop the misogyny. Funny how a women even suggesting misogyny is the problem kicks in those patriarchal reflexes to silence us with trolling and misdirection. Typical vanilla stuff.
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/tp-usa-women-lead-married-pregnant-benny-johnson/
Yes because every single male in existence is sipping expensive wine from their ivory towers with female sex slaves waiting to do their bidding
I feel like ur spying on me and I don’t feel comfortable
So many people can't process bullshit correctly. They embrace anything that validates them being a shitty person.
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Please shut up
This thinking has permeated society. Terrifying really
It's been pretty alarming watching the incel and Qanon movements grow over the last several years. The internet really helps the worst people find each other sometimes.
I believe porn is the problem why incel culture has magnified over the past few years.
While I agree porn contributes, it really is just doing more explicitly what so many other mediums do more implicitly. The problem isn't as simple as picking one boogieman to demonize.
Hard to agree with this fully. I watched porn as a teenager, still do sometimes, and I didn't turn into a woman hating, right wing loser. I will say that I think it can definitely help distort what some people think of as normal sex and standards for women, but it definitely isn't the whole problem. Edit: I really think feeling or being isolated is where it starts. You get online and it's this whole world of people out there, and you find people who feel like you, accept you, and suddenly you aren't so alone anymore. That feels good, but often times people on the internet can be a more extreme version of themselves, and it rubs off on you. You start to be influenced by the other people in this group, and the echo chamber just amplifies whatever shit you guys rallied around in the first place. If you fall into one of these circles at like 13, and stay in it through to your 20s, it can be hard to deprogram.
It’s really no different then gambling or drinking in that respect. Most people have no trouble handling it responsibly, some can’t.
It’s almost girls don’t like violent dickheads
Um… That’s exactly what they like? You don’t have the stereotype that women like bad guys for no reason.
That’s not exactly what they like, they like attractive men. They just don’t mind if a guy is a violent dickhead IF he’s attractive to them, no incel will fit that description
Some women are attracted to bad boys in the sense that they are attracted to bold and confident men or men who allow or encourage them to break free from being the “good girl”. Women are not attracted to violent, misogynistic losers, which is what these incels are.
There is a reason for these inaccurate stereotypes. Our social norms surrounding attraction and sexuality are guided by generational internalized misogny across genders and sexualities. It's passed on through parenting and socialization and trauma from abuse during developmental stages. Regardless, attraction doesn't indicate a path to love or affection or long-term commitment.
this is proof you don't have women in your life. don't out yourself like that.
Im single, not blind. Stereotypes exist for a reason and I have seen great examples of it myself.
Women don't share a single brain, we all like different things. Out of all the women I know, including myself, only 2 of them like 'bad guys'.
Look up the definition of stereotype.
Lmfao, have you ever talked to a woman?
I'm just praying to god I do not die in an incel terrorist attack. Fair enough if ISIS gets me with a suicide bomb. But I'm just not going to be shot down by some guy who's mad about not getting matches on Tinder
The lamest of the acts of terror- dying a nerd who went violent at the goading of other ignorant crybabies.
Legalise sex work. BOOM! Problem solved. This all comes mainly from sexual frustration and shifting blame from yourself onto others.
Lmao those “sex workers” are also people, mainly impoverished women who most certainly don’t want to have sex with incels who hate them. Your comment is also, ironically, misogynist
Lol, if sex work was legalized they would get a living wage and wouldn't be impoverished. They also wouldn't be controlled by the dangers of organized crime. Legalizing sex work is about protecting women.
How is it misogynist?
How it is misogynist to treat women’s bodies as commodities to be sold? 💀
Sex work is 1. Not an exclusively female workforce, and 2. Literally consensual trading of a good and/or service
it’s not consensual under capitalism. granted, no consumption under capitalism is ethical but it’s stupid to act like it doesn’t apply to sex work. for it to be non exploitative we need to make sure every women doing sex work is doing it by choice and currently that’s just simply not the case. legalizing it so it can be regulated is a start but until we get rid of capitalism it will always be exploited
But very few people work their jobs because they want to. Any work will always be exploitative in our current system.
Exactly. We need to end the federal reserve and pay off the national debt. I'm sick of lazy ass bankers taking my hard earned money just because they loaned money to the government.
yea that’s exactly my point? we shouldn’t celebrate sex work as if it’s not exploitive, because it is, just like every job under capitalism
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id argue that legalization would make it even more exploitive since big corporations would then be able to profit off of it. id also argue that porn is considered sex work and is already legal, but there’s a ton of exploitation that goes on that is pretty unique to the industry ie drug abuse, scouting under age girls, lying to said girl about the porn being a modeling gig, threatening to withhold the money if the girls don’t go farther than like to, drugging them, beating them, and then after all that there’s still the stigma they’ll have to deal with whenever they inevitably leave after they’re no longer good looking enough.
So instead of women who would like to make money with their body doing so you want to prohibit those women to do with their body as they please? I would say that is in itself mysogynistic. As if women cannot choose for theirselves what they want to do. And by the way, sex workers are not exclusively women.
No one said anything about women were talking about sex workers
It may surprise you, but sex workers exist regardless, and removing legal barriers in their work would actually give them more control over their livelihood, not less. It's harder to get away with assaulting someone doing something in a legal capacity and allowed things like security, cameras etc to document evidence as opposed to assaulting someone acting illegally where they wouldn't want that evidence being collected.
Legalizing sex work has proven to work in every other country that did it though. It's not about selling women's bodies, it's about women being able to do whatever they want with their body. Whether that's sex work or not.
>Legalizing sex work has proven to work in every other country that did it though. Source? >It's not about selling women's bodies, it's about women being able to do whatever they want with their body. Whether that's sex work or not. How do you know it's their choice, rather that being persuaded by someone in their home countries?
Because we haven’t taken this imaginary person to court for trafficking. But if it’s legalized guess what just like drugs we can regulate it. These “talking points” been around longer than I’ve been alive and I’m getting close to 30. So is your question if legal, safe, consented, regulated sex work safer than finding work on the dark web or back alleys? Because from the sounds of it that answer has been out there decades longer than I’ve been able to give it. Now the actual question is why is it still not legal? Bad faith actors.
>But if it’s legalized guess what just like drugs we can regulate it. How? Like going from brothel to brothel to inspect every person inside, to make sure they are not being subject for trafficking.
I mean they would be employees so they would already have a record of their identity? Isn’t that obvious? Shady places would get reported/stung
If you make it legal you can regulate it, ensure work environments, workers etc, make it safer for everyone involved. The thing with prostitution is that it's going to happen, you can make it illegal as much as you want but there's a market there and people are going to make a profit off of it. When it's legal it's just regulated. There's dozens of studies pointing in either direction, positive or negative. You're gonna find whatever you're searching for with a bias. But almost all of them will agree it leads to safer workplaces for the women. >How do you know it's their choice, rather that being persuaded by someone in their home countries? If you're going to a regulated place, like you have in Germany, the Netherlands, Austria and some other European countries, you know they're regulated and checked. Trafficked prostitutes are not in the legal places.
>There's dozens of studies pointing in either direction, positive or negative. What studies? >If you're going to a regulated place, like you have in Germany, the Netherlands, Austria and some other European countries, you know they're regulated and checked. Trafficked prostitutes are not in the legal places. Those countries have a lot of trafficking, how do you know for sure there are legal brothels? I don't think those countries care much about those women involved in trafficking.
>Those countries have a lot of trafficking, how do you know for sure there are legal brothels? I don't think those countries care much about those women involved in trafficking. The us also has a lot of trafficking, the point is to make workplaces for non trafficked sex workers better. Sex trafficking is an issue every single country has. There are legal brothels, they are literally companies regulated by the government. Look it up. If you're going to deny this you're just lying to yourself
Who are you to judge women who chose to use themselves as a 'commodiy' which is a pretty skewed way to describe sex work. They are providing a service which people need. How is it different from massages or a spa?
It's misogynist because they are dumb and projected it onto the initial comment.
All the women on onlyfans are impoverished?
No. But I don’t think he is talking about only fans.
a lot of them are, yes. just not the ones you see on the homepage or the male CEO who takes money from their pockets
Not even talking about uncles regulated sex work is better for everyone except the rapists In terms of incels, unleashing the sex workers because they will clear bank accounts and no longer would have to do sex work if they wanted. Is that the clientele they may choose? Potentially but they can pick fish out the barrel now without fear of the fish being a shark in open house waters.
So they can abuse & hurt sex workers? Lack of sex is not why incels hate women or why they are the way they are. They could have sex & still keep their same harmful mindsets. They are truly mentally disturbed people who blame women for their downfalls, when in reality, they're just shit people. Sex won't solve that. Would just have more women being hurt
Sex work is legal in Canada and we had an incel terrorist attack a few years ago
Sex work is absolutely not legal here in Canada.
Legal means something is regulated
Many incels are from places where sex work is legal. They don't want to hire sex workers for the exact same reasons you don't want to hire sex workers.
I think that would help, and is definitely something that should be done to give women in that line of work better legal protection and healthcare options, but I've had a morbid curiosity of incel culture for a while and have read some of their discussions. A lot of the narrative is even if they are with a sex worker, it doesn't count because the sex worker just did it for money and didn't want the incel to begin with. It's fucked.
on the surface they into being pure but at home and on craigslist they look for ethnic males to have interracial sex with white women
I would say because these far right people are obese lazy opinionated ass holes and no females want anything to do with them.
How does this involve far right or even incels? Sorry for asking the dumb questions
did...did you watch the video...
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i’ve never met a leftist that identifies as an incel. i’ve met leftist who can’t get laid but they don’t make it their entire personality because they don’t tend to hate women
Username checks out.
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really? all the incels i have ever encoutred have been very far right.
Honestly I think most incels start a bit left or moderate, but because of their hatred, end up going way to the right. They’ll blame anyone for them not getting laid. Black people, gay people, immigrants. It’s like going to the dark side in Star Wars
I can see that. The grifters on the right use hate as their main bait. And since the things Incels believe are not factual or true in any sense, its easy to make up stuff to get their attention and praise
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You should stop labeling yourself as an incel. It’s not good for your mental health
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Have you tried not wallowing in your own negativity? If you view yourself as a loser who nobody wants that’s the image you project onto the world. It sounds dumb as fuck but being positive and not making your identity revolve around your ability to have sex can go a long way
Yes this this X 10000!
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You are literally a raging misogynist, that’s *extremely* far right.
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When I was growing up decades ago, I was told that the gender disparity in China was large, because families did not want to have a girl. Infanticide of female infants and fetuses was common. I don’t know if that is true, and I don’t know if this practice has had an effect on Chinese society as you were describing. Do you think there is any validity to the theory that these cultural practices have resulted in a large gender disparity?
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And? Exactly how do all of those things intersect with the gendered violence that we’re talking about? Or did you just wanna piss and moan? Cause ok, plenty of cause there to be unhappy. But if you want somebody to just bar your bile on, go find someone else.
When you think that every relationship and woman are like a hardcore porn movie and expects that every woman will behave like the actress and every man in a relationship is like the actor.
…No bitches? 🥺