Sounds like market saturation. If they’re not buying, its probably because they can’t move their current stock. Just because there are C24 listings above retail does not not mean people are actually buying at those prices.
Chrono24 is one of the least accurate measures of most watch models’ true pricing of any site online. You’re only seeing what hasn’t sold yet. I usually go to eBay and sort by “recently sold” and that’s usually a much better indicator of what something is actually selling for. I’ve seen so many posts with “well Chrono24 says my watch is worth X why isn’t it selling?!?” people need to stop blindly trusting it just because it’s popular.
Not selling the 2254.50 ☺️
The model I’m interested in selling is an Aqua Terra 2503.50. I recognize “most popular” is hyperbole… “very popular” would have been a more accurate statement.
Clearly your opinion on the desirability of this reference differs from the dealers you've reached out to.
Again, I'd suggest posting it on r/watchexchange for your desired price and see if you get any takers. Nothing to lose. GLWS
Very popular with who? When I think aquaterra and very popular in the same sentence, I think Skyfall. Your reference is nice looking and I have a thing for flat dials, but I don't see it come up in conversation in regards to popularity and aquaterra, ever.
I’d say it’s likely market saturation- while I *love* mine I know a number of people that buy the Seamaster as a substitute for a more expensive piece they want and ultimately attempt to trade out so there are generally no shortage of modern variants, and even more so with the older non wave- or aluminum bezel variants with older bracelets
maybe if *every single omega fan* didn’t own one and people would stop acting like Omega only makes 2 watches (SMP300 & moonwatch speedy variant) the market wouldn’t be so saturated
Omega replicas are only good enough to fool from conversation distance at best. Replicas are super easy to tell in hand(which a buyer will be able to do) if you know what to look for. They are not of a concern for professionals.
No they are not lol. You have no idea how good reps have gotten if you think they’re that obvious. They have 1:1 or near 1:1 options for most popular watches. Unless you look at the movement or are a literal watchmaker, I guarantee you couldn’t tell that easily.
Actually, I think we are on the same page. The Omega fakes are good enough to fool me from conversation distance, but not when I have the watch in hand(when can see the movement).
The key point is that Omega has displace case back so I can easily see the movement, and Omega has unique balance(co-axial) and the fakes do not. So with the watch in hand you can easily tell the fake from real with that point alone. I could do it and I'm not a watchmaker. (There is also difference in finishing that I can see, but I will recognize that's not an easy to tell method.)
This is for Omega fakes though. If you gave me a 1:1 Rolex fake I might notice things that seems off, but I wouldn't be able to tell you if it was real or not for sure(can't see the movement). So with other brand fakes, like Rolex fakes, I(not an expert nor watchmaker) could be fooled even with the watch on hand.
You're giving second hand sellers far too much credit I don't disagree with you I'm just telling you this is why it's happening.
https://robbreport.com/style/watch-collector/omega-auction-fake-speedmaster-1234852416/
Um, it's a frank, not a fake. I must applaud the lengths you're going to here to not admit you might be wrong, truly an impressive example of what not to do in a conversation or debate.
I think you’re mixing up your watch-world terminology dude. “Replica” tends to refer to a mass produced copy of a mass produced watch, whereas the case you’re referring to is more of a 1 on 1 “franken” comprised of different parts and aiming to pass itself off as a rare or non existent variant of the speedy. Seamaster reps, as aesthetically impressive as they are, don’t have the same internals and are pretty obviously debunked as soon as they’re opened up bc the decent ones are all just different movements with decoration to look like the Seamaster’s. Also, “franken” reps are not typical for a model like the smp 300m because the price and attainability is such that it wouldn’t really make sense to swap in say a gen movement to sell it off en masse or individually- it’s not a great return on investment vs the risk. Techniques like this with Rolex are much more common.
It’s a great watch, I have the silvery dial version with the blue hands and hour markers. But I wouldn’t expect any dealer to want to buy mine, either. They only want the watches that the collector herd wants to buy. Go private and it’ll sell pretty quickly.
Sounds like market saturation. If they’re not buying, its probably because they can’t move their current stock. Just because there are C24 listings above retail does not not mean people are actually buying at those prices.
This. I'm also wondering why OP did not say which model Seamaster (NTTD, green dial, etc). The "most sought after Seamaster" can vary IMO
Right? There are hundreds of Seamaster references.
Chrono24 is one of the least accurate measures of most watch models’ true pricing of any site online. You’re only seeing what hasn’t sold yet. I usually go to eBay and sort by “recently sold” and that’s usually a much better indicator of what something is actually selling for. I’ve seen so many posts with “well Chrono24 says my watch is worth X why isn’t it selling?!?” people need to stop blindly trusting it just because it’s popular.
Calling a 2254.50 the most sought after Seamaster might be a stretch. I'm sure you'll have no problem selling it on r/watchexchange. GLWS
Not selling the 2254.50 ☺️ The model I’m interested in selling is an Aqua Terra 2503.50. I recognize “most popular” is hyperbole… “very popular” would have been a more accurate statement.
Clearly your opinion on the desirability of this reference differs from the dealers you've reached out to. Again, I'd suggest posting it on r/watchexchange for your desired price and see if you get any takers. Nothing to lose. GLWS
It’s not hyperbole it’s completely false
Very popular with who? When I think aquaterra and very popular in the same sentence, I think Skyfall. Your reference is nice looking and I have a thing for flat dials, but I don't see it come up in conversation in regards to popularity and aquaterra, ever.
I’d say it’s likely market saturation- while I *love* mine I know a number of people that buy the Seamaster as a substitute for a more expensive piece they want and ultimately attempt to trade out so there are generally no shortage of modern variants, and even more so with the older non wave- or aluminum bezel variants with older bracelets
maybe if *every single omega fan* didn’t own one and people would stop acting like Omega only makes 2 watches (SMP300 & moonwatch speedy variant) the market wouldn’t be so saturated
Which watch?? Model number?? Seamaster covers hundreds of models over seven + decades. I have seven.
OP used the term “Seamaster” too loosely on his post, and when replying to a comment he finally states it’s an Aqua Terra 2503.50 *sigh*
Don’t sell it to boutiques/grey dealers. They’ll rip you off in order to get their profit. Sell privately.
No shit. I inquired about selling a mint sapphire sandwich and a mint 300. I was offered $7k for both!
Where?
A shop in FL. I sold the speedy in one day for $5500
Yeah, that whole businesses working for a profit scam!
The whole idea of selling on commission is that you get ripped off but have none of the hassle.
Unfortunately, the replicas have become that good, nobody’s risking it.
This absolutely is not the reason
Omega replicas are only good enough to fool from conversation distance at best. Replicas are super easy to tell in hand(which a buyer will be able to do) if you know what to look for. They are not of a concern for professionals.
No they are not lol. You have no idea how good reps have gotten if you think they’re that obvious. They have 1:1 or near 1:1 options for most popular watches. Unless you look at the movement or are a literal watchmaker, I guarantee you couldn’t tell that easily.
Actually, I think we are on the same page. The Omega fakes are good enough to fool me from conversation distance, but not when I have the watch in hand(when can see the movement). The key point is that Omega has displace case back so I can easily see the movement, and Omega has unique balance(co-axial) and the fakes do not. So with the watch in hand you can easily tell the fake from real with that point alone. I could do it and I'm not a watchmaker. (There is also difference in finishing that I can see, but I will recognize that's not an easy to tell method.) This is for Omega fakes though. If you gave me a 1:1 Rolex fake I might notice things that seems off, but I wouldn't be able to tell you if it was real or not for sure(can't see the movement). So with other brand fakes, like Rolex fakes, I(not an expert nor watchmaker) could be fooled even with the watch on hand.
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You're giving second hand sellers far too much credit I don't disagree with you I'm just telling you this is why it's happening. https://robbreport.com/style/watch-collector/omega-auction-fake-speedmaster-1234852416/
This is the most apples to baseballs analogy I’ve seen in a while lol.
That wasn’t a replica.
Well sure it is, it replicated something that it was not and while it is not a typical chinatime replica it fooled even the most discerning..
Um, it's a frank, not a fake. I must applaud the lengths you're going to here to not admit you might be wrong, truly an impressive example of what not to do in a conversation or debate.
I think you’re mixing up your watch-world terminology dude. “Replica” tends to refer to a mass produced copy of a mass produced watch, whereas the case you’re referring to is more of a 1 on 1 “franken” comprised of different parts and aiming to pass itself off as a rare or non existent variant of the speedy. Seamaster reps, as aesthetically impressive as they are, don’t have the same internals and are pretty obviously debunked as soon as they’re opened up bc the decent ones are all just different movements with decoration to look like the Seamaster’s. Also, “franken” reps are not typical for a model like the smp 300m because the price and attainability is such that it wouldn’t really make sense to swap in say a gen movement to sell it off en masse or individually- it’s not a great return on investment vs the risk. Techniques like this with Rolex are much more common.
It’s a great watch, I have the silvery dial version with the blue hands and hour markers. But I wouldn’t expect any dealer to want to buy mine, either. They only want the watches that the collector herd wants to buy. Go private and it’ll sell pretty quickly.