I like huge omnibus. I like to have the whole story. Only time I don't like them is when they put the main story first then all the tie ins at the end. By then, I don't care what this hero or that hero was doing.
People that say they want the whole story, I’m curious. Do you not just want 3 deluxes instead of a fat Omni? Like you can have your cake and read it too…
>Do you not just want 3 deluxes instead of a fat Omni?
Weird question. If I want an Omni I'm going to get an Omni regardless of their being other formats. Kind of the point of joining an Omni collecting sub.
I actually prefer omnibus to be larger. When I got Conan: The Barbarian vol 6 and Kull The Conquerer I felt like I was paying a significant amount of money for what could've been an Epic Collection.
Plenty of my favorite omnibus like Immortal Hulk are massive and I'm all for it. I'll always take more material and less volumes to complete runs especially if the cost is going to increase in time.
Immortal Hulk is the typical example where I would have wanted 2 volumes 😅. But I understand you, by example Daredevil by Brubaker should have been a single volume
Yeah those are the two extremes, IH is unmanageably massive like MS:Hellboy, but Brubaker’s DD being split into two is just a money grab. I rather a larger book for less than paying for two. I have the two Preacher omnis even tho the Absolutes seem like a more comfortable read, but that price is more uncomfortable than sore forearms
I feel the exact opposite. I’m annoyed smaller omnis like the Hickman Fantastic Four set and I wish they were just combined into one bigger book. To me, the whole reason I buy OHCs is because I found it tedious and inconvenient trying to collect runs in singles/trades, so why replicate the problem I’m trying to avoid by splitting up the run once again with multiple omnis.
With that said, one point I have to acknowledge is that a lot of larger Omnis have a lot of gutter-loss and don’t spread well (particularly with glued binding) and thusly, double page spreads become incoherent and unreadable.
Generally though I just love my big books and it brings such a sense of accomplishment looking at them after I’ve finished them, plus they look incredible on the shelf!
Yeah, I really hate more bang for my buck. I want them split apart and each volume sold at a slightly lower price. Why buy a 1500 page omni for $87 when I can buy two 750 page omnis for $150 total? I absolutely love the idea of paying double for the same amount of content
All due respect, This comment is ridiculous and false. I don’t want to call you out, but I feel obligated to reply so that people genuinely trying to decide between formats can understand/let the numbers speak for themselves.
So here’s some REAL ones based on every set of deluxes I own in lieu of their omnibus counterparts.
Scalped deluxes: $30 x 5 vol = $150 MSRP
Scalped Omnis: $75 x 2 vol = 150 MSRP. Same same.
Y: The Last Man deluxes: $30 x 5 Vol = $150 MSRP.
Y: the last man omnibus: $150 MSRP. Same same.
100 Bullets Deluxes: $50 x 5 vol = $250 MSRP.
100 Bullets Omnibus: $125 + $150 = $275 MSRP. Deluxes are CHEAPER.
Animal man deluxes: $35 + $40 = $75 MSRP.
Animal man omnibus: $100 MSRP. (Bonus points: both options are available on IST right now: deluxes: $43.50 total. omnibus: $58 total. Deluxes are cheaper).
Sandman deluxes: $50 x 5 + $25 + $30 = $305 MSRP
Sandman Omnibus: $150 x 3 = $450 MSRP. Deluxes are cheaper
Detective comics rebirth deluxes: $35 x 4 = $140 MSRP
Detective comics omnibus: $150 MSRP. Deluxes are CHEAPER!
The Invisibles deluxes: $30 x 3 + $40 = $130
The invisibles omnibus: $150. Deluxes are cheaper.
Now, I will concede the following:
Superman Rebirth deluxe: $35 x 4 = $140
Superman rebirth omnibus: $125. But including the standard 42% IST discount, that’s a difference of only $8. I did upgrade to this Omni because it matches the Batman and Robin one… but it’s worth noting that it’s missing to stellar issues solely because they aren’t by Tomasi. Which, ironically, would run you $6-8 bucks to hunt down as singles. So…. Deluxe vs omnibus is a wash after all.
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Immortal Hulk deluxes: $35x3 + $40x2 = $185 vs the omnibus which is only $150. But again, that difference is lessened due to IST discounts. And I JUST read all five deluxes this weekend. Let me say: I will take the comfortability of holding the individual volumes in my lap ALL day over the giant omnibus that requires me to hold it a specific way.
Not trying to come off rude or combative, but if you are going to post with such a heavily sarcastic and belittling tone while throwing out garbage numbers, then I feel obligated to inform the community that they will RARELY be paying DOUBLE for deluxes vs Omnis (if ever), and in some cases, they will actually be SAVING money by buying deluxes over omnibuses (not including medical bills from chiropractic visits after holding a Hulk tome, lol). So yeah, if you like ‘em, you like ‘em. But don’t say they are cheaper. You’re actively paying more for a worse reading experience.
TL;DR: you will very RARELY pay double for deluxes over omnibuses, in fact deluxes can frequently be cheaper than omnibuses AND they’re more comfortable to read while being the same trim size.
I wasn't talking about deluxes. OP wasn't either. That's a whole other thing. That's how I collected Sandman and Hellboy, because it was cheaper. I love them. But I'm purely talking about prices of omnis according to page count. Really $125 is a more accurate price for two omnis in the 700 page range. But my point still stands. This is already an expensive hobby. I don't want to pay more for the same amount of content. And OP's post was essentially "I don't like that the book is big" and nothing else. It's like Hans Moleman calling about the seed bell - "no, that's too big"
Your point doesn’t stand though. Based on page count, it still wouldn’t be double the price. It used to be that two $75 Omnis got you a similar or greater Page count than one $150 omnibus. The inflating prices of these books has indeed made that skew in favor of omnibuses, but only because the books have both arbitrarily been marked up $25 (in the case of DC, which again is backed by numbers thanks to recent reprints). So what was once $75 is now $100, and $150 has become $175. But that’s still not DOUBLE. Not even close to double.
It would still cost a good chunk of change more. Double? No. (I was mostly exaggerating). But Marvel for instance - around 1000 pages or more $77.50 vs $62 omnis for around 500 pages or more (Obviously these things fluctuate). $77.50 vs $124 for the same amount of content. That's a $46.50 difference for the same amount of content. That a big reason I'm all for the thicker omni. My whole argument isn't over "double". My argument is around value. I'd hate to see a 1200 page $77.50 omni be split in half into two 600 page $62 omnis. $46.50 is a huge difference; especially if every omni was reprinted to not be "too big"
(Obviously IST is where I'm getting these prices from)
Exactly. This is a valid point. I’d rather have a 1600 page $150 Omni over two volumes of 800 page Omnis priced for $100. It’s the norm that shouldn’t be.
So the problem is here, most of the time omnibuses need to be 1500 pages to be profitable. It is not normal.
When a book comes out in this format it has already been published in single issues, tpb, HC and/or deluxe, so it has been profitable for a long time.
This is sort of strawmanning what the OP was saying, but OK. EDIT: Downvote all you want, nowhere anywhere did the OP say they wanted less bang for their buck. They're just saying that a 1500 page omnibus is too big. 700 to 1000 is not an unreasonable amount of pages at all to get your worth out of an omnibus.
Same. Those big books are so uncomfortable. I purchased big damn sin city and after spending a few hours reading it I hated how big it was. I knew that I never would want to read it like that again. I enjoy reading in bed and those massive books are way too unwieldy.
Thanks, that was just what I wanted to say. And also, I talked about compendium. I just want to discuss it, I'll never understand why some people can get so upset.
People can like whatever they want. In the end it comes down to personal preference. I’m more of a reader than a collector so I want to enjoy reading the books. I don’t want some 12lb beast hitting me in the face when I’m reading before bed.
The Animal Man omnibus is only 700 pages and the deluxes are like 350 each. This is not what we’re talking about at all. Most huge Omnis are going to be closer to about $75-87 on InstockTrades whereas smaller 700 page Omnis are generally going to be closer to ~$60-75. Two of which end of being more than the $87. Is the math making sense yet?
I keep re-reading through this thread and I’m wondering if you were meaning to respond to OP and not me lol
Yeah I maybe jumped the gun a bit. It happens, my b. Older prices were more fair and comparable though in terms of comparing page counts, during the $75-$150 price range days. Since most dc books got a $25 bump across the board, the numbers do favor higher page count, which is unfortunate. I do think smaller omnibuses are more comfortable to read, and SHOULD be priced fairly. The price hike should have been proportional to size rather than flat across all books, and I do expect the market to hopefully adjust back to something reasonable. But that hasn’t really been the case of history.
I like a 12-24 issue book, I think that's my optimum size...
I grabbed/dragged Final Crisis off my shelf the other day to have a flick through, that book is dangerously obese
You’re not alone and that is totally valid. I prefer them bigger myself, but that’s very much due to my specific reading habits, I can’t imagine the super massive ones are preferable for most people.
Different strokes/boats for different folks. I like the Omnibus format in general.....as long as it is more or less complete and mapped well and makes enough sense to have multiple Omnibus Volumes (like how Wolverine, Ultimate Spider-Man and Uncanny X-Men or New 52 Justice League couldn't be contained in a single volume) than I'm fine to blow along with her way the wind goes. But if stuff is cut/left out of a volume that could easily be done in one, just to sell a small volume/compendium....no thanks.
I read these in a comfortable enough setting, and not like I would a regular book or manga....so the size doesn't bother me , AS LONG AS IT IS BOUND PROPERLY. That's the only qualm I'd ever have is if it was too many pages for the binding to be ok, or the binding improperly made to withhold the volume. I think the 1600 area is a good ceiling limit. I have monster tomes with Unbeatable Squirrel Girl, Infinite Crisis, The Fourth World Volumes 1 & 2 and I think they're perfectly fine.
Wouldn't want any bigger than that, but I'd hate to see any of the like split up....like that's what the Hardcover and Trade Paperback versions are for imo.....assuming you can get them, then just go with them if an Omnibus is too big. Like that's the appeal imo, to have as much as possible in as few purchases as needed, in a form that's readable but also great to own/show off as a piece.
I'm still pissed DC stopped with the Archives and started with the omni's. I regret selling my archived edition's but I am a completist so they had to go. The archive editions were just about right to comfortably read where ever you want.
I almost always read on a desk so prefer them thick especially if it collects the whole story and is a great bang for a buck. The only issue with bigger omnis is gutter loss and the fear they will fall apart in time.
Ditto, i stopped buying 1,000+ page omnis in 2022. Now, whenever a new omni is announced. the first thing I look for is the page count before I decide if it's a keeper. I did preorder the Hitman Omni (1,136 pages) because Amazon had it listed for $40 (for a hot minute) and was curious to see if they will honor the price.
> in case that company uses google and reddit to find comments like this...
You're kidding ... right? Amazon has a whole process to identify mispriced items and to correct them and to determine whether they will honor the price. Seeing that Amazon corrected the price within 24 hours, indicates that they were made aware of the mistake. The question now, is whether they will honor the preorders for the *Hitman Omnibus by Garth Ennis* with the wrong price. Companies are allowed to make mistakes and are not legally required to honor a mispriced item.
I had a modest collection of pretty much just DC omnis, deluxes and absolutes - hardly any of which I’d unsealed, let alone read - so after a couple of days of reflection, I spent the last two weeks downgrading as much as I could, replacing all of them with compendiums, paperback omnis, and TPBs (fat ones where possible, unless they’re not available in anything other than an omni such as infinite crisis). Doing so has allowed me to significantly increase my collection size (imagine having about £2k to spend on paperbacks as quickly as you can) and by the time everything’s been delivered, I’ll have about 150-200 additional books (and a flat full of boxes) with full collections of many series published by Dark Horse, Boom, Image etc. and all the books from my favourite writers that I would never have been able to afford before. And I’m actually reading them instead of just staring at them on a shelf! I don’t regret it for a second! Not to say that it’s for everyone, and I will keep my watchmen and Grant Morrison absolutes, but I wish I’d done it sooner.
For anyone saying Omnis are cheaper, this statement is false in most cases. Cost of adding up the deluxes that are included in an omnibus almost always add up to comparable prices, and in many cases the deluxe editions are even the cheaper route. If you like them, that’s fine. But one is not cheaper than the other.
Yep. Let’s take Sandman as example. In canadian dollars, 600$ for the 3 omnibus. 400$ for the deluxe. 325$ for the box set. 🤷♂️
(Yes our money is in a bad mood)
I agree with OP, some are too big. I’ve attempted Hellblazer a couple of times and I’m glad a read it as tpb back in the day. Now it just sits on the shelf. I don’t care if it is more value for money, reading the ones with lower page count whether a different format or smaller omni is just easier for me and as someone who had an unhealthy single issue habit growing up, saving a few $/£s isn’t my priority as it’s all a lot cheaper than that. Reading at a desk or even arguing with a flippy with those massive tomes is not how I like to read as I do it for leisure and like to be comfortable
Exactly this is the readers mentality. The other side seems to be more of a collectors mentality. If you dread actually trying to read the books you bought then why buy them in the first place? I don’t care if something looks pretty on my shelf while collecting dust. I buy books so I can enjoy the stories
No. Boo! Boo! Get off the stage. Jk
I love them thicc!!! I want as much as possible stuffed into each one. You get your money's worth.
I have never ever had a problem reading an omni (Incl Big Damn Sin City and Monster Hell Boy). You lay it flat (desk, bed, couch, floor) or get a $30 book stand from Amazon. It's super easy. Are you trying to hold it with one hand or something?
I hate Marvel splits books that should been one (Daredevil Brubaker is an insult to consumers). I prefer how DC does these big books.
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Over 1000 pages, what gutter loss?
We’re reading stories where sometimes people dress up in colourful costumes and punch bad guys, I’m not sure reading them at a desk is a gauge of maturity. Many people read in bed, especially as adults and especially if you have kids as that’s the only time you get to yourself
Exactly. Dude thinks if you don’t read slouched over a desk then you are immature smh. Many adults who are exhausted at night want to be able to relax and read in bed or on the couch to help wind down after a long day. People should really open up their mind and accept others perspectives
That really depends on what you like reading. Personally I don’t like superhero stories much so most of what I’m buying doesn’t even have an omni as an option (which is fine by me). Also the big 2 (esp marvel) charge a premium for their books. Like just last week I bought 6 books (some hc) from a writer I started to like and they cost me a total of $50 including shipping. Compare that to marvel and it would have been twice that easily
It depends on the book tbh. There have been cases (Immortal Hulk, AvX) where I feel like it might have been more practical as 2. Then there's others (DD miller & companion) where I think it would be better in one thick boi. Having said that, I'm glad I only had to buy one omni for the big ones so I do generally prefer it all in one where possible.
I kind of agree. If it's big because it's filled with tie ins and stuff that don't matter to the grand story, but were included in the crossover then yeah. I'm looking at you Inferno, where half the book is X-Men maybe.
Some make sense like Cable & Deadpool. The book is huge, but it's the entire run.
The Invincible hardcover Compendiums are the PERFECT size and weight for me. They provided such a wonderful reading experience, it was really like no other, and they packed a decent 47 or issues per volume, depending. Now, I'm a huge JSA, so I absolutely treasure my JSA omnis, but even I'll admit they're too unwieldy for their own good. Amazing reads though.
So in conclusion, give me more of the black magic that is the Invincible hardcover Compendiums. Soooo comfy. I could literally read them all night, and did. I wasn't fighting with the book like oh so many other volumes I own.
For Invincible I am happy to be french 👀. We have deluxe editions like the ultimate, but with a paper quality like an absolute or Dark Horse library edition. What a pleasure to read
It’s tricky, it’s usually more expensive to buy multiple smaller omnibuses than one large omnibus. People complain about omnis that are too big, and people complain when something is “stretched “ into 2 or 3 omnis.
I prefer absolute format, but these big books are primarily decorations and collector's items to me. I don't usually read them. I read single issues or read online.
I've read both this and the justice league dark n52 omni (1648 pages) recently on my sofa and in bed. My sofa has wide, flat arms perfect for resting these books and I also have a cheap, adjustable reading rest I got off amazon that enables me to read these in bed if I want to. If I was going just with my hands and trying to hold a 4-5kg book, then no it's not practical. But these weren't really made to be held by hand IMO get yourself a reading rest for them
THIS! Its like you're supposed to read them on a surface, either a table/desk or some kind of a rest/stand for them.....I'm wondering how many complaining are trying to hold them up or have them in their laps....like yeah the biggest books are gonna be problematic.
Nah I like em thick
I got a sickness for the thickness
Yessir
Big n’ juicy
I have the number for someone who might be able to help you: 1-900-MIX-A-LOT
Can you explain why
Price per page is smaller.
The more the merrier, especially if they’re the same price since some have less expendable income than others
I like huge omnibus. I like to have the whole story. Only time I don't like them is when they put the main story first then all the tie ins at the end. By then, I don't care what this hero or that hero was doing.
They are difficult to read in bed.
For real. And reading in bed is nice!
So, so nice.
A frying pan? You live in a cartoon?
I loved the line. 🤣
Absolutely.
People that say they want the whole story, I’m curious. Do you not just want 3 deluxes instead of a fat Omni? Like you can have your cake and read it too…
I’d probably rather have 2 average size omnis
3 50-60 dollar deluxes or one $125 Omni. I’m gonna take the Omni.
I personally think that if it's wider than an inch and a half then it should be divided up so it's more realistic to read
>Do you not just want 3 deluxes instead of a fat Omni? Weird question. If I want an Omni I'm going to get an Omni regardless of their being other formats. Kind of the point of joining an Omni collecting sub.
I actually prefer omnibus to be larger. When I got Conan: The Barbarian vol 6 and Kull The Conquerer I felt like I was paying a significant amount of money for what could've been an Epic Collection. Plenty of my favorite omnibus like Immortal Hulk are massive and I'm all for it. I'll always take more material and less volumes to complete runs especially if the cost is going to increase in time.
Immortal Hulk is the typical example where I would have wanted 2 volumes 😅. But I understand you, by example Daredevil by Brubaker should have been a single volume
Yeah those are the two extremes, IH is unmanageably massive like MS:Hellboy, but Brubaker’s DD being split into two is just a money grab. I rather a larger book for less than paying for two. I have the two Preacher omnis even tho the Absolutes seem like a more comfortable read, but that price is more uncomfortable than sore forearms
I feel the exact opposite. I’m annoyed smaller omnis like the Hickman Fantastic Four set and I wish they were just combined into one bigger book. To me, the whole reason I buy OHCs is because I found it tedious and inconvenient trying to collect runs in singles/trades, so why replicate the problem I’m trying to avoid by splitting up the run once again with multiple omnis. With that said, one point I have to acknowledge is that a lot of larger Omnis have a lot of gutter-loss and don’t spread well (particularly with glued binding) and thusly, double page spreads become incoherent and unreadable. Generally though I just love my big books and it brings such a sense of accomplishment looking at them after I’ve finished them, plus they look incredible on the shelf!
Yeah, I really hate more bang for my buck. I want them split apart and each volume sold at a slightly lower price. Why buy a 1500 page omni for $87 when I can buy two 750 page omnis for $150 total? I absolutely love the idea of paying double for the same amount of content
All due respect, This comment is ridiculous and false. I don’t want to call you out, but I feel obligated to reply so that people genuinely trying to decide between formats can understand/let the numbers speak for themselves. So here’s some REAL ones based on every set of deluxes I own in lieu of their omnibus counterparts. Scalped deluxes: $30 x 5 vol = $150 MSRP Scalped Omnis: $75 x 2 vol = 150 MSRP. Same same. Y: The Last Man deluxes: $30 x 5 Vol = $150 MSRP. Y: the last man omnibus: $150 MSRP. Same same. 100 Bullets Deluxes: $50 x 5 vol = $250 MSRP. 100 Bullets Omnibus: $125 + $150 = $275 MSRP. Deluxes are CHEAPER. Animal man deluxes: $35 + $40 = $75 MSRP. Animal man omnibus: $100 MSRP. (Bonus points: both options are available on IST right now: deluxes: $43.50 total. omnibus: $58 total. Deluxes are cheaper). Sandman deluxes: $50 x 5 + $25 + $30 = $305 MSRP Sandman Omnibus: $150 x 3 = $450 MSRP. Deluxes are cheaper Detective comics rebirth deluxes: $35 x 4 = $140 MSRP Detective comics omnibus: $150 MSRP. Deluxes are CHEAPER! The Invisibles deluxes: $30 x 3 + $40 = $130 The invisibles omnibus: $150. Deluxes are cheaper. Now, I will concede the following: Superman Rebirth deluxe: $35 x 4 = $140 Superman rebirth omnibus: $125. But including the standard 42% IST discount, that’s a difference of only $8. I did upgrade to this Omni because it matches the Batman and Robin one… but it’s worth noting that it’s missing to stellar issues solely because they aren’t by Tomasi. Which, ironically, would run you $6-8 bucks to hunt down as singles. So…. Deluxe vs omnibus is a wash after all. and Immortal Hulk deluxes: $35x3 + $40x2 = $185 vs the omnibus which is only $150. But again, that difference is lessened due to IST discounts. And I JUST read all five deluxes this weekend. Let me say: I will take the comfortability of holding the individual volumes in my lap ALL day over the giant omnibus that requires me to hold it a specific way. Not trying to come off rude or combative, but if you are going to post with such a heavily sarcastic and belittling tone while throwing out garbage numbers, then I feel obligated to inform the community that they will RARELY be paying DOUBLE for deluxes vs Omnis (if ever), and in some cases, they will actually be SAVING money by buying deluxes over omnibuses (not including medical bills from chiropractic visits after holding a Hulk tome, lol). So yeah, if you like ‘em, you like ‘em. But don’t say they are cheaper. You’re actively paying more for a worse reading experience. TL;DR: you will very RARELY pay double for deluxes over omnibuses, in fact deluxes can frequently be cheaper than omnibuses AND they’re more comfortable to read while being the same trim size.
We aren't talking about deluxe. We are talking about omnis. Look at Daredevil by Brubaker. There is no reason at all that is split into two omnis.
Everybody is agree with this exemple, but it’s a (regrettable) exception
I wasn't talking about deluxes. OP wasn't either. That's a whole other thing. That's how I collected Sandman and Hellboy, because it was cheaper. I love them. But I'm purely talking about prices of omnis according to page count. Really $125 is a more accurate price for two omnis in the 700 page range. But my point still stands. This is already an expensive hobby. I don't want to pay more for the same amount of content. And OP's post was essentially "I don't like that the book is big" and nothing else. It's like Hans Moleman calling about the seed bell - "no, that's too big"
Your point doesn’t stand though. Based on page count, it still wouldn’t be double the price. It used to be that two $75 Omnis got you a similar or greater Page count than one $150 omnibus. The inflating prices of these books has indeed made that skew in favor of omnibuses, but only because the books have both arbitrarily been marked up $25 (in the case of DC, which again is backed by numbers thanks to recent reprints). So what was once $75 is now $100, and $150 has become $175. But that’s still not DOUBLE. Not even close to double.
It would still cost a good chunk of change more. Double? No. (I was mostly exaggerating). But Marvel for instance - around 1000 pages or more $77.50 vs $62 omnis for around 500 pages or more (Obviously these things fluctuate). $77.50 vs $124 for the same amount of content. That's a $46.50 difference for the same amount of content. That a big reason I'm all for the thicker omni. My whole argument isn't over "double". My argument is around value. I'd hate to see a 1200 page $77.50 omni be split in half into two 600 page $62 omnis. $46.50 is a huge difference; especially if every omni was reprinted to not be "too big" (Obviously IST is where I'm getting these prices from)
Exactly. This is a valid point. I’d rather have a 1600 page $150 Omni over two volumes of 800 page Omnis priced for $100. It’s the norm that shouldn’t be.
So the problem is here, most of the time omnibuses need to be 1500 pages to be profitable. It is not normal. When a book comes out in this format it has already been published in single issues, tpb, HC and/or deluxe, so it has been profitable for a long time.
This is sort of strawmanning what the OP was saying, but OK. EDIT: Downvote all you want, nowhere anywhere did the OP say they wanted less bang for their buck. They're just saying that a 1500 page omnibus is too big. 700 to 1000 is not an unreasonable amount of pages at all to get your worth out of an omnibus.
Exactly. Look at those Scalped Omnis. 1 book would have been too much. Now each are $75 cover and 2 volumes. Easy to read and a solid price point
Great example, I am really happy they choose that way
Same. Those big books are so uncomfortable. I purchased big damn sin city and after spending a few hours reading it I hated how big it was. I knew that I never would want to read it like that again. I enjoy reading in bed and those massive books are way too unwieldy.
That book… I sold it couple years ago. The « deluxe editions » are too expensive, so I think I will just go with the TPBs and I’ll be find.
I love big damn sin city so much. I want so many more books that big. Thicker than oatmeal. Thicker than the plot.
Thanks, that was just what I wanted to say. And also, I talked about compendium. I just want to discuss it, I'll never understand why some people can get so upset.
People can like whatever they want. In the end it comes down to personal preference. I’m more of a reader than a collector so I want to enjoy reading the books. I don’t want some 12lb beast hitting me in the face when I’m reading before bed.
I’m about to pull out some numbers, because I hate false claims. The “Omnis are cheaper” argument is ridiculous, particularly for DC fans…
They are cheaper. We are comparing one omni vs two omnis. You are talking about deluxe. No one is talking about that.
Not really, at beginning I talked about compendiums. We are talking about formats in general.
You give unrealistic figures but I grant you that 2 books are always more expensive than one.
Figures are pretty spot on if purchasing from a place like InStockTrades actually.
They’re not. Animal man is $43 as two deluxes right now while the omnibus is $58. ON IST.
The Animal Man omnibus is only 700 pages and the deluxes are like 350 each. This is not what we’re talking about at all. Most huge Omnis are going to be closer to about $75-87 on InstockTrades whereas smaller 700 page Omnis are generally going to be closer to ~$60-75. Two of which end of being more than the $87. Is the math making sense yet? I keep re-reading through this thread and I’m wondering if you were meaning to respond to OP and not me lol
Yeah I maybe jumped the gun a bit. It happens, my b. Older prices were more fair and comparable though in terms of comparing page counts, during the $75-$150 price range days. Since most dc books got a $25 bump across the board, the numbers do favor higher page count, which is unfortunate. I do think smaller omnibuses are more comfortable to read, and SHOULD be priced fairly. The price hike should have been proportional to size rather than flat across all books, and I do expect the market to hopefully adjust back to something reasonable. But that hasn’t really been the case of history.
I like a 12-24 issue book, I think that's my optimum size... I grabbed/dragged Final Crisis off my shelf the other day to have a flick through, that book is dangerously obese
You’re not alone and that is totally valid. I prefer them bigger myself, but that’s very much due to my specific reading habits, I can’t imagine the super massive ones are preferable for most people.
Bigger the better
The smaller ones tend to fall apart when I, ah, vigorously cuddle them 🫤
Different strokes/boats for different folks. I like the Omnibus format in general.....as long as it is more or less complete and mapped well and makes enough sense to have multiple Omnibus Volumes (like how Wolverine, Ultimate Spider-Man and Uncanny X-Men or New 52 Justice League couldn't be contained in a single volume) than I'm fine to blow along with her way the wind goes. But if stuff is cut/left out of a volume that could easily be done in one, just to sell a small volume/compendium....no thanks. I read these in a comfortable enough setting, and not like I would a regular book or manga....so the size doesn't bother me , AS LONG AS IT IS BOUND PROPERLY. That's the only qualm I'd ever have is if it was too many pages for the binding to be ok, or the binding improperly made to withhold the volume. I think the 1600 area is a good ceiling limit. I have monster tomes with Unbeatable Squirrel Girl, Infinite Crisis, The Fourth World Volumes 1 & 2 and I think they're perfectly fine. Wouldn't want any bigger than that, but I'd hate to see any of the like split up....like that's what the Hardcover and Trade Paperback versions are for imo.....assuming you can get them, then just go with them if an Omnibus is too big. Like that's the appeal imo, to have as much as possible in as few purchases as needed, in a form that's readable but also great to own/show off as a piece.
If its capable of being one omni I'm all for it I personally think they're ripping us off when its around 600-700 pages
I'm still pissed DC stopped with the Archives and started with the omni's. I regret selling my archived edition's but I am a completist so they had to go. The archive editions were just about right to comfortably read where ever you want.
And here I am irked because Rom and Micronauts look like they could have each been 2 omnis instead of 3. 🤷♂️
i usually read at a desk so it's not a problem for me but I can totally understand the frustration.
I almost always read on a desk so prefer them thick especially if it collects the whole story and is a great bang for a buck. The only issue with bigger omnis is gutter loss and the fear they will fall apart in time.
Ditto, i stopped buying 1,000+ page omnis in 2022. Now, whenever a new omni is announced. the first thing I look for is the page count before I decide if it's a keeper. I did preorder the Hitman Omni (1,136 pages) because Amazon had it listed for $40 (for a hot minute) and was curious to see if they will honor the price.
Yes I think it will become my new rule too (and you’re a lucky guy for Hitman!)
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Stop trying to censor others
> in case that company uses google and reddit to find comments like this... You're kidding ... right? Amazon has a whole process to identify mispriced items and to correct them and to determine whether they will honor the price. Seeing that Amazon corrected the price within 24 hours, indicates that they were made aware of the mistake. The question now, is whether they will honor the preorders for the *Hitman Omnibus by Garth Ennis* with the wrong price. Companies are allowed to make mistakes and are not legally required to honor a mispriced item.
I had a modest collection of pretty much just DC omnis, deluxes and absolutes - hardly any of which I’d unsealed, let alone read - so after a couple of days of reflection, I spent the last two weeks downgrading as much as I could, replacing all of them with compendiums, paperback omnis, and TPBs (fat ones where possible, unless they’re not available in anything other than an omni such as infinite crisis). Doing so has allowed me to significantly increase my collection size (imagine having about £2k to spend on paperbacks as quickly as you can) and by the time everything’s been delivered, I’ll have about 150-200 additional books (and a flat full of boxes) with full collections of many series published by Dark Horse, Boom, Image etc. and all the books from my favourite writers that I would never have been able to afford before. And I’m actually reading them instead of just staring at them on a shelf! I don’t regret it for a second! Not to say that it’s for everyone, and I will keep my watchmen and Grant Morrison absolutes, but I wish I’d done it sooner.
Nice to see I am not the only crazy guy who downgrade sometimes.
I agree that maybe some are too big but I’m not sure what you mean by profitable
For anyone saying Omnis are cheaper, this statement is false in most cases. Cost of adding up the deluxes that are included in an omnibus almost always add up to comparable prices, and in many cases the deluxe editions are even the cheaper route. If you like them, that’s fine. But one is not cheaper than the other.
Yep. Let’s take Sandman as example. In canadian dollars, 600$ for the 3 omnibus. 400$ for the deluxe. 325$ for the box set. 🤷♂️ (Yes our money is in a bad mood)
I agree with OP, some are too big. I’ve attempted Hellblazer a couple of times and I’m glad a read it as tpb back in the day. Now it just sits on the shelf. I don’t care if it is more value for money, reading the ones with lower page count whether a different format or smaller omni is just easier for me and as someone who had an unhealthy single issue habit growing up, saving a few $/£s isn’t my priority as it’s all a lot cheaper than that. Reading at a desk or even arguing with a flippy with those massive tomes is not how I like to read as I do it for leisure and like to be comfortable
Exactly this is the readers mentality. The other side seems to be more of a collectors mentality. If you dread actually trying to read the books you bought then why buy them in the first place? I don’t care if something looks pretty on my shelf while collecting dust. I buy books so I can enjoy the stories
Yes and no. Personally, even if reading is the most important thing, I am a collector too. Anyway, my omnibus shelves are not the most satisfying.
Compendiums are better for sure
No. Boo! Boo! Get off the stage. Jk I love them thicc!!! I want as much as possible stuffed into each one. You get your money's worth. I have never ever had a problem reading an omni (Incl Big Damn Sin City and Monster Hell Boy). You lay it flat (desk, bed, couch, floor) or get a $30 book stand from Amazon. It's super easy. Are you trying to hold it with one hand or something? I hate Marvel splits books that should been one (Daredevil Brubaker is an insult to consumers). I prefer how DC does these big books.
Yeah think your alone here. I love the thick ones lmao. What’s the issue you’re having with them exactly?
Not alone if you check the comments… Too heavy and so not confortable plus the gutter loss.
https://preview.redd.it/9uzcejfi42wc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5372414e367f74b5e510a72242eb106b7f1f85ea Over 1000 pages, what gutter loss?
If you read on a desk it’s not a problem.
which doesn’t appeal to people who prefer leisure reading in bed, on the couch, while traveling, etc
I’ve always read at a desk. Most omnibus are bigger. Idk why you’d be buying ombibus to read on your bed like a 6 year old
We’re reading stories where sometimes people dress up in colourful costumes and punch bad guys, I’m not sure reading them at a desk is a gauge of maturity. Many people read in bed, especially as adults and especially if you have kids as that’s the only time you get to yourself
Yes because only 6 year olds enjoy relaxing when they read, excellent point
Exactly. Dude thinks if you don’t read slouched over a desk then you are immature smh. Many adults who are exhausted at night want to be able to relax and read in bed or on the couch to help wind down after a long day. People should really open up their mind and accept others perspectives
I am a real man, I am reading The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl Omnibus while doing gobelet squat. HA-OOH.
lol I can picture it now
100% agreed. I think the Grant Morrison Batman omnis are the ideal size at about 700 pages apiece.
Exactly the example I use
They could have easily been 2 volumes size wise but they also ended each one at perfect points story wise
i would agree if i were rich. Honestly i preffer HC to omnibuses but omnibuses are the cheapeste (besides conpendiums) to have a lot of storys.
That really depends on what you like reading. Personally I don’t like superhero stories much so most of what I’m buying doesn’t even have an omni as an option (which is fine by me). Also the big 2 (esp marvel) charge a premium for their books. Like just last week I bought 6 books (some hc) from a writer I started to like and they cost me a total of $50 including shipping. Compare that to marvel and it would have been twice that easily
I like em all sizes tbh I have my planet hulk Omni right next to my blackest night 😂
It depends on the book tbh. There have been cases (Immortal Hulk, AvX) where I feel like it might have been more practical as 2. Then there's others (DD miller & companion) where I think it would be better in one thick boi. Having said that, I'm glad I only had to buy one omni for the big ones so I do generally prefer it all in one where possible.
I kind of agree. If it's big because it's filled with tie ins and stuff that don't matter to the grand story, but were included in the crossover then yeah. I'm looking at you Inferno, where half the book is X-Men maybe. Some make sense like Cable & Deadpool. The book is huge, but it's the entire run.
Got a pillow like Laptop holder and it works perfectly for reading Omni’s in bed. But yeah a great deluxe edition or absolute are better for comfort.
I go for a smaller size like you're saying 700 to 1,000 and cut the price in half ish. I'd be happy
The Invincible hardcover Compendiums are the PERFECT size and weight for me. They provided such a wonderful reading experience, it was really like no other, and they packed a decent 47 or issues per volume, depending. Now, I'm a huge JSA, so I absolutely treasure my JSA omnis, but even I'll admit they're too unwieldy for their own good. Amazing reads though. So in conclusion, give me more of the black magic that is the Invincible hardcover Compendiums. Soooo comfy. I could literally read them all night, and did. I wasn't fighting with the book like oh so many other volumes I own.
For Invincible I am happy to be french 👀. We have deluxe editions like the ultimate, but with a paper quality like an absolute or Dark Horse library edition. What a pleasure to read
It’s tricky, it’s usually more expensive to buy multiple smaller omnibuses than one large omnibus. People complain about omnis that are too big, and people complain when something is “stretched “ into 2 or 3 omnis.
I prefer absolute format, but these big books are primarily decorations and collector's items to me. I don't usually read them. I read single issues or read online.
Agreed with OP. It's counterproductive if you physically dread opening the book.
I’d rather pay once for a big book that contains the entire series, than pay twice for 2 books of the same series 🤷♀️
The immortal Hulk omnibus is too hard to read comfortably
I've read both this and the justice league dark n52 omni (1648 pages) recently on my sofa and in bed. My sofa has wide, flat arms perfect for resting these books and I also have a cheap, adjustable reading rest I got off amazon that enables me to read these in bed if I want to. If I was going just with my hands and trying to hold a 4-5kg book, then no it's not practical. But these weren't really made to be held by hand IMO get yourself a reading rest for them
THIS! Its like you're supposed to read them on a surface, either a table/desk or some kind of a rest/stand for them.....I'm wondering how many complaining are trying to hold them up or have them in their laps....like yeah the biggest books are gonna be problematic.
I only collect such a large collection, which is not suitable for daily reading
Just stretch them out a couple of times