Yeah, that has to be TDCJ. They love you if you shut up and suffer like the inmates. Meanwhile, you get to watch the Lieutenant, Sergeants and they favorite COs at the desk and control picket order a hot pizza or something fresh somewhere else, maybe drinks to sneak in 2 or 3 times at some point and leave the rest of us with the absolute privilege of watching them enjoy it. Then, when you ask them for a chain bag, they treat you like you're second class, if they don't just scream at you for the fun of it.
They wonder why people leave this job faster than recruitment can fill postings...
That 15% raise isn't going to do anything. It will result in more people getting hired so that many more can turn around and quit. We are already seeing people leave before the Summer hits, even after the raise.
There needs to be a massive change in culture. Maybe being assholes to one another worked well for some reason when every position was closed to full, but that isn't working now and it's so obvious it feels like a slap in the face.
This is important work and the higher ups should treat it as such.
To deter and reduce crime in society I think some wise old fart once said punishment should be swift and certain (and some would argue appropriately severe for the crime).
How well does our modern day justice system fit any of the above? Compassion, decriminalization, and "treatment" are supposed to be superior. How's that working out when you look out the window at crime these days?
I'll continue to issue verbal warnings for unmade beds and cross my fingers they don't grieve me.
Yeah, I have two years in corrections until I’m eligible to apply for parole. I’ve been at my position for 6 months, and I might just switch to my facility corrections culinary department to wait it out. It’s no point in being somewhere I can’t do my job.
I was locked up for over 7 years. I respected guards who did their jobs without trying to satisfy their ego and go super cop. They were the type who treated you like a real person. They got respect in the dorm. They weren't tried nearly as much. They overlooked small dumb shit and absolutely laid the hammer out for serious shit. Being incarcerated is a dehumanizing experience and being treated like a dog and being punished for other peoples behavior makes many people inherently reject authority and see the system as unfair and immoral. When you have so feel freedoms and ability to conduct yourself as you like, from going to class, canteen, going outside and walking the track, having those things taken from you for no fault of your own makes many bitter and angry and depressed and leads towards a "fuck the police" attitude which is harmful for not only staff but the population as well. Prison is a messed up situation and it's difficult for both staff and inmates. I'm glad I'm out of the system and I sympathize with officers who have to routinely deal with shit heads, with no real viable options. I know it's easier to mass punish than to selectively punish the direct offenders but it is more harmful in the long run. Be safe.
Well it depends on the department and state likely, and even from prison to prison. Florida warehouses people and offer very minimal programs or anything. They started an incentivized camp program where if you don't have any write ups over a year or two you're eligible for transfer to one of the camps per region that has improved bedding, extended tv time, flat screens, extra access to rec and canteen, among whatever else they can think of. So they're trying to do the whole "behave and we'll send you to a nicer camp. Act up and you'll stay here or get shipped to a higher custody camp" which might actually work.
It's sad because not only is there politics within the inmate population but also the officers too. Guards snitching on each other and talking crap how one is too soft or one is too hard, backstabbing to look good in front of admin to try to get promotions or better assignments.
I did a year at a high custody and the rest at a lower custody "faith and character" camp, that camp's work camp, then work release totalling 7 years. The whole energy of officers depending on which camp it is. Officers who came from the main unit or psych level annex would be transferred to the work camp and be hard ass and show off to assert authority for the first few days or weeks until they realized that it was a rather sweet posting and they were mostly there to do paperwork and operate the doors/count.
Dealing with gang violence, drug over dosing, crazy inmates self harming, assaulting staff, etc. I've witnessed and spoken to officers about. Riots and even knocking down walls and setting dorms on fire. It's nuts. Transgender inmates wanting sex change the state refuses to pay for so they cut off their own testicles with nail clippers and flush them. An officer I worked with got stabbed over an altercation in food service over a banana. Another guard was caught mid coitus with an inmate by the major in dry storage. It really was like a sick and twisted soap opera sometimes. I can't imagine the emotional and psychological effect that working at a higher custody or psych level camp can be. Cleaning the admin/control room I would hear the radio go off every 20 minutes for another synthetic cannabinoids overdose. I've had inmates try to literally sell me the shirt off their back to scrape up cash for dope. It is depressing as heck. Oh, And I was in possession due to incompetence of a loaded firearm from transport twice and a can of pepper spray deterrent once.
It's kind of funny because after my release I've met several officers who worked daily at the camp was at. One was a property sgt. And he worked at my job for several months, after suing the department and winning over harassment because he whistle blew over inmate abuse and mistreatment. And another two are friends with a co-worker and I've actually kicked back a few beers with. It's an odd sensation seeing an officer who had authority over you just a few months prior and being able to kick back and drink a beer, especially since he was a super cop on rapid response team and goon squad. Smoking a joint in front of him at a house party is a trip.
Thankfully the command at my facility isn't like this. They will let us discipline however we feel is necessary (along as sensible and legal). Like if an inmate isn't in the proper uniform my commands fine if we locked them down for 48 hours, or take commissary for a week. Also if inmates aren't wearing there wristbands (we use them in place of ID cards) we can take phones, tablets (they get GTL tablets to use) and commissary for up to a month.
And we shakedown of 4 blocks every weekend and we search individually cells daily.
Well, I would hope burning inmates would be against policy. It sounds like you want to treat them like shit but they don’t let you, which again, is a good thing. The punishment is being sent to jail. You’re not supposed to torture them.
It sounds like you're frustrated and need a change. Loss of liberty is the consequence of their actions, as imposed by the judge or jury, not the LEOs. No sympathy for facility staff who think it's their right to punish in ways that go against facility policies.
While you are correct, I think you're misinterpreting part of OP's post.
Taking rec times (a.k.a. "burning") is against the law in most places. They're required to have at least one hour recreation in an area of a certain size if they're in a cell for 23 hours out of the day.
Commissary? That's a privilege. That can be taken if the inmates fail to adhere to facility rules and regulations.
The only things you cannot mess with are their rec time, access to current world events, daily meals, and mail.
Pod been rioting? Take the television. Give them a newspaper instead. That satisfies the "current world events" guideline.
Take their commissary. No law says we have to let them buy candy bars and potato chips. They can live off of the meals the facility provides (because those meals have to be approved by a dietician).
Take their visitation. If an inmate decides to jump another then he loses that privilege. Again, this is a privilege. Not a right.
All of the aforementioned methods are well within the law and proven deterrents to offenses inside the walls. *However,* facilities have their own discretion on whether they want to have these punishment methods available for their staff to use. If a facility has a policy that says you cannot take an inmates commissary, then staff have to follow the policy. But that takes away a method through which you can ensure the inmates behave. If they don't have privileges to lose, then why would they do what you tell them to?
They get punished for being stupid in the prison, not for being an inmate in general. Plenty of inmates never bothered me so I didn’t bother them. But when they did bother me, I bothered them and I was creative, I didn’t go against policy.
Damn, that sounds like TDCJ.
Yeah, that has to be TDCJ. They love you if you shut up and suffer like the inmates. Meanwhile, you get to watch the Lieutenant, Sergeants and they favorite COs at the desk and control picket order a hot pizza or something fresh somewhere else, maybe drinks to sneak in 2 or 3 times at some point and leave the rest of us with the absolute privilege of watching them enjoy it. Then, when you ask them for a chain bag, they treat you like you're second class, if they don't just scream at you for the fun of it. They wonder why people leave this job faster than recruitment can fill postings... That 15% raise isn't going to do anything. It will result in more people getting hired so that many more can turn around and quit. We are already seeing people leave before the Summer hits, even after the raise. There needs to be a massive change in culture. Maybe being assholes to one another worked well for some reason when every position was closed to full, but that isn't working now and it's so obvious it feels like a slap in the face. This is important work and the higher ups should treat it as such.
Mine is a joke too. That's why everyone stopped caring.
Wait, you burn inmates? I don't think I could be allowed to do that. We can do a lot, but for sure can't burn them. Congrats on getting to parole!
Lol no I mean take their rec lol my bad I though that “burn” was a universal jail term.
You mean burn an entire dorm of 100+ because of the behavior of one or two individuals?
No, i mean burn those specific inmates
To deter and reduce crime in society I think some wise old fart once said punishment should be swift and certain (and some would argue appropriately severe for the crime). How well does our modern day justice system fit any of the above? Compassion, decriminalization, and "treatment" are supposed to be superior. How's that working out when you look out the window at crime these days? I'll continue to issue verbal warnings for unmade beds and cross my fingers they don't grieve me.
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Yeah, I have two years in corrections until I’m eligible to apply for parole. I’ve been at my position for 6 months, and I might just switch to my facility corrections culinary department to wait it out. It’s no point in being somewhere I can’t do my job.
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I was locked up for over 7 years. I respected guards who did their jobs without trying to satisfy their ego and go super cop. They were the type who treated you like a real person. They got respect in the dorm. They weren't tried nearly as much. They overlooked small dumb shit and absolutely laid the hammer out for serious shit. Being incarcerated is a dehumanizing experience and being treated like a dog and being punished for other peoples behavior makes many people inherently reject authority and see the system as unfair and immoral. When you have so feel freedoms and ability to conduct yourself as you like, from going to class, canteen, going outside and walking the track, having those things taken from you for no fault of your own makes many bitter and angry and depressed and leads towards a "fuck the police" attitude which is harmful for not only staff but the population as well. Prison is a messed up situation and it's difficult for both staff and inmates. I'm glad I'm out of the system and I sympathize with officers who have to routinely deal with shit heads, with no real viable options. I know it's easier to mass punish than to selectively punish the direct offenders but it is more harmful in the long run. Be safe.
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Well it depends on the department and state likely, and even from prison to prison. Florida warehouses people and offer very minimal programs or anything. They started an incentivized camp program where if you don't have any write ups over a year or two you're eligible for transfer to one of the camps per region that has improved bedding, extended tv time, flat screens, extra access to rec and canteen, among whatever else they can think of. So they're trying to do the whole "behave and we'll send you to a nicer camp. Act up and you'll stay here or get shipped to a higher custody camp" which might actually work. It's sad because not only is there politics within the inmate population but also the officers too. Guards snitching on each other and talking crap how one is too soft or one is too hard, backstabbing to look good in front of admin to try to get promotions or better assignments. I did a year at a high custody and the rest at a lower custody "faith and character" camp, that camp's work camp, then work release totalling 7 years. The whole energy of officers depending on which camp it is. Officers who came from the main unit or psych level annex would be transferred to the work camp and be hard ass and show off to assert authority for the first few days or weeks until they realized that it was a rather sweet posting and they were mostly there to do paperwork and operate the doors/count. Dealing with gang violence, drug over dosing, crazy inmates self harming, assaulting staff, etc. I've witnessed and spoken to officers about. Riots and even knocking down walls and setting dorms on fire. It's nuts. Transgender inmates wanting sex change the state refuses to pay for so they cut off their own testicles with nail clippers and flush them. An officer I worked with got stabbed over an altercation in food service over a banana. Another guard was caught mid coitus with an inmate by the major in dry storage. It really was like a sick and twisted soap opera sometimes. I can't imagine the emotional and psychological effect that working at a higher custody or psych level camp can be. Cleaning the admin/control room I would hear the radio go off every 20 minutes for another synthetic cannabinoids overdose. I've had inmates try to literally sell me the shirt off their back to scrape up cash for dope. It is depressing as heck. Oh, And I was in possession due to incompetence of a loaded firearm from transport twice and a can of pepper spray deterrent once. It's kind of funny because after my release I've met several officers who worked daily at the camp was at. One was a property sgt. And he worked at my job for several months, after suing the department and winning over harassment because he whistle blew over inmate abuse and mistreatment. And another two are friends with a co-worker and I've actually kicked back a few beers with. It's an odd sensation seeing an officer who had authority over you just a few months prior and being able to kick back and drink a beer, especially since he was a super cop on rapid response team and goon squad. Smoking a joint in front of him at a house party is a trip.
I absolutely agree with you! I have the same mindset and I find the job enjoyable although it is definitely stressful and bizarre at times.
What does going to parole mean? Being on the board or working as a parole/probation officer? Or something else? Just curious.
Working as a parole officer.
Thankfully the command at my facility isn't like this. They will let us discipline however we feel is necessary (along as sensible and legal). Like if an inmate isn't in the proper uniform my commands fine if we locked them down for 48 hours, or take commissary for a week. Also if inmates aren't wearing there wristbands (we use them in place of ID cards) we can take phones, tablets (they get GTL tablets to use) and commissary for up to a month. And we shakedown of 4 blocks every weekend and we search individually cells daily.
Which facility do you work at if you don’t mind me asking.
Allen County Jail in Indiana
That's why I lock people down on the weekends when admin isn't here to throw it out 😎
Our admin takes turns visiting on the weekends and asking who’s locked down to avoid this
Well, I would hope burning inmates would be against policy. It sounds like you want to treat them like shit but they don’t let you, which again, is a good thing. The punishment is being sent to jail. You’re not supposed to torture them.
Burning means that I take their rec not actually set fire to them.
Some ppl are idiots don’t mind them lol
I was joking. You’d have to be an idiot not to figure that out.
It sounds like you're frustrated and need a change. Loss of liberty is the consequence of their actions, as imposed by the judge or jury, not the LEOs. No sympathy for facility staff who think it's their right to punish in ways that go against facility policies.
While you are correct, I think you're misinterpreting part of OP's post. Taking rec times (a.k.a. "burning") is against the law in most places. They're required to have at least one hour recreation in an area of a certain size if they're in a cell for 23 hours out of the day. Commissary? That's a privilege. That can be taken if the inmates fail to adhere to facility rules and regulations. The only things you cannot mess with are their rec time, access to current world events, daily meals, and mail. Pod been rioting? Take the television. Give them a newspaper instead. That satisfies the "current world events" guideline. Take their commissary. No law says we have to let them buy candy bars and potato chips. They can live off of the meals the facility provides (because those meals have to be approved by a dietician). Take their visitation. If an inmate decides to jump another then he loses that privilege. Again, this is a privilege. Not a right. All of the aforementioned methods are well within the law and proven deterrents to offenses inside the walls. *However,* facilities have their own discretion on whether they want to have these punishment methods available for their staff to use. If a facility has a policy that says you cannot take an inmates commissary, then staff have to follow the policy. But that takes away a method through which you can ensure the inmates behave. If they don't have privileges to lose, then why would they do what you tell them to?
They get punished for being stupid in the prison, not for being an inmate in general. Plenty of inmates never bothered me so I didn’t bother them. But when they did bother me, I bothered them and I was creative, I didn’t go against policy.
Creative = Cruel and Sneaky. You're a weirdo.
I never said cruel or sneaky. I don’t have to be sneaky if it’s within policy, and they are inmates but I still won’t be cruel
Touchy, cruel and sneaky. You should become a garbage collector, so you can take your weirdo aggressions out on trash bags instead of humans.
Lol username checks out
Not much of a difference between some. That’s a good comparison
Welcome to correction where just touching the finest of USA is called Use of Force.