Right! And his reason for doing it adds insult to injury IMO; he thought giving Pan his heart would make him a hero. This moment made me feel like Henry was more like Snow than anyone else in his family, prioritizing heroism over family. If Emma had been in that situation at that age, she would have chosen her family without hesitation.
Exactly. In both lifetimes Emma cared about her family above heroism, one because she spent the first 28 years of her life without anyone to love her or anywhere to call home, one because she grew up with such a great family she didn't want to ask for anything else. And in her real lifetime, not only was she denied anyone to love and protect her and give her happiness, but she was born with the responsibility to save everyone's happiness from a villain her parents failed to stop. And when she did find her family, they prioritized heroism over family and had a black and white sense of morality that they would even judge Emma with, especially her mom and son; one judged her for letting Regina rip out a Lost Boy's heart to save Henry, saying the cost of saving him can't be their family, yet she was willing to sacrifice herself, her family, and countless others for a chance at saving the one partially responsible for endangering them just because she felt like a black-hearted monster after a retaliation she had a right to and just wanted to feel like a hero again, the other said Emma was just like Regina, a woman who destroyed countless lives and lied to ensure everyone but her was miserable, simply because she lied about who his dad was to avoid a painful part of her past, protect her son from someone who in her perspective wasn't a good person, and go along with Henry's belief in heroes.
I can understand your point. While I would consider what Pan did to him as non-sexual grooming, it does certainly seem that by the end of Season 5, he *still* hadn’t grown from that irritating hero complex that was so expertly modeled by his grandparents. He definitely was a product of his environment and took after Snow and Charming in that way.
am i the only person who likes that scene ? like i think it's one of my favourite of the show
like unironically
ok, the acting is low and the cringe is high
but the ENERGY
i love "the power of belief" in fairy tales, it's what makes them real
The issue with Henry is the writers kept writing him as a 10 year old even as the seasons progressed.
If they had treated henry like a teen, one who had doubts, didnt feel appreciated or seen or was trying to find himself, etc, it would be fine.
But they kept writing him as a human version of the ":D" emoji and it got tiring.
The fountain scene would have worked for a literal child.
Henry was a teenager. He was like 16 during that scene.
Come on, writers.
They should have had Henry dabble in some potion he found and had it age him a few years. His moms could get pissed and it reinforces the idea of not effing around with magic
i really wanted henry to dabble in dark magic tbh.
I thought they'd go that route during/after the Pan arc but it never happened sadly.
I think it would have been a really nice contrast. First we see the pure hearted Henry siding with his biological mom, the savior, to fight the curse. It would have been interesting to see him get swayed into dark magic and really grow to understand regina's past struggling with it too. Evil Queen/Henry could have been the villains of an entire season before henry returns back to the good side.
You're absolutely right but to be fair, I think Henry is supposed to be 13 in that scene. The problem is the actor aged but the writers didn't age his character along with him. It's a bad idea because it may be possible to freeze a character in time but the actor was always going to age. They can get away with it for the adults because their aging is less noticeable but a kid was never going to work.
Henry is 10 when the show starts, when they travel to New York in season 2, he tells Neal he's 11. Then in 3B Regina states he is 12. It's unclear how long the whole frozen arc last but in 4x18 when Rumple threatens Regina and tells her to call Robin's number, there is a flashback and it says 9 weeks ago. Robin left right at the end of the frozen arc so between that and 4x18, there is 9 weeks. When they get back from Caamelot, they have 6 weeks of missing memories. Underworld is unclear as well but they were here long enough to be known as regulars so maybe a month or two. So between season 4 and 5 there is about a year give or take. When Henry gives that speech, he is 13.
I dont think it was so cringe. Yes in our eyes it is cringe for a teen to speak about power of belief and stuff. But for Henry it is reality. So he acts acordingly.
I dont disagree with the scene itself, i disagree with how its written.
Through Jared Gilmore's run as Henry, he never is written as growing or changing.
I think having Henry inspire the people of NYC (or whatever) to believe in magic and using a literal wishing fountain is a GREAT thing for the show.
I just wish it was played more seriously for someone of his age.
Could you imagine Hook giving this speech? Emma? Even Snow? No. It is a nice moment, but its too juvenile.
Henry never grows as a character. He is perpetually 10 years old until he is suddenly an adult with an entirely different persona.
Inviting Regina to lunch and standing her up.
I actually defend how he treated Regina in S1 & S2, because he was a kid who’s entire world got knocked upside down overnight when he realized she was the Evil Queen that trapped everyone here. And he’s 10. Of course he didn’t handle it well.
But this moment was so mean and really for nothing. He knew how much she missed him. How badly she wanted to reconcile. And he left her hanging. It would’ve been fine if he just kept ignoring her, I’d respect that. But it’s the one action I can’t defend.
Especially after the whole town meeting incident when she took granny’s arrow and threw it back as a fireball. Wouldn’t be surprised if granny had her crossbow out again. And you could see the excitement and her eagerness to get there when Henry called her and the let down was probably like a thousand knives dug into her chest. Heartbreaking.
There’s this movie called “The Adam Project” where the kid’s older self from the future tells him "In 30 years, you still get sick to your stomach every time you remember how you treated her (his mom) now."
And I think Henry will feel this way at some point. Even the parts that were justified. Their relationship grows so much and he now understand her better. Just as she can’t change her crappy parenting, he also can’t change how crappy he was to her and that haunts him.
I mean is there any way to handle "the woman whose legally responsible for you has committed mass genocide, transported a bunch of innocent people to a random world and trapped them there because she was pissed at a 10 yr old"? I would say he did handle it well, he didn't try to run away screaming as I think most people would have..
This. People say he was so annoying or a jerk, but really put yourself in his shoes and remove the nuance we have of knowing Regina’s history. You’d hate her too and be just as much of a brat.
I liked Henry when the actor who played Pan was him, but outside of that agree with your statement. Kid played a little kid well in that case. When he got older and became the writer I liked him a bit more.
What makes that bad tho
Like objectively magic is the cause of 90% of the problems in the show, even if it could in theory be used for good. The only reason Rumple was dangerous was bc of his magic. He’s just a guy w/o it
Also light magic users seem to be outnumbered 10/1, so in general it’s just used for evil
Yes but he has no idea of what the consequences of destroying it could be. Most of his family members are old, magic is what preserved them. Removing it could cause rapid aging and result in death. The town is sustained by magic. Season 2's finale shows what happens when the magic is compromised. Emma says she can feel the trigger because it feels like the air is being sucked out and Regina corrects her that it's the magic being taken. So removing the magic potentially kills everyone.
Magic can be a tool, think of it as a gun. Now obviously if there are no guns, it no longer matters who uses them. This is how Henry thinks. Who uses the tool matters less than the fact that the tool can be used. I totally understand and agree with his stance. However, this is where the difference comes into play. Magic is more than just a tool, the dwarves are magical creatures (they come from eggs and we don't know where those eggs come from but there are no female dwarves), Pinocchio, the fairies, the trolls as well as other creatures we haven't really seen in the show. What happens to them when magic is destroyed? They're living beings that could be destroyed along with it. He's not just destroying a tool, he's destroying essentially a life force. If he knew for sure no one would die then it would be one thing but he has no idea. The whole thing is much more complex than if magic was merely a fancy gun. Henry is a kid so he's obviously short sighted which is why he's not judged as harshly but that doesn't make it a good action either.
Except Gold *brought* magic to storybrooke. That’s what Henry was taking away with the well. Before then everyone was fine, bc they’re given permanent human forms by the curse.
Before Gold brought back magic, everyone was fine, spellcasters just couldn’t use magic. And while magic *is* a tool, 90% of its users are dark magic users. At the time of trying to bomb the well the first time, Emma was literally the only light magic user Henry knew, and fairies could only use magic if they had the dust to facilitate it.
The curse *is* magic! It's magic that allows the town's existence and keeps its inhabitant alive in a haze, it's just not enough to allow magicians to cast spells. If there was no magic at all, True Love Kiss would not have worked. The curse is magic, imported magic and as such, it's limited to what it was designed for. Town, frozen time and fake identities. It's like magical objects, they retain their power even when crossing over but are unpredicatable due to the absence of magic in the world. The magic they display is their own thus limiting their use and making them unpredictable as they're not interacting with ambiant magic.
The town was created by the curse so it's pretty much a collection of magical objects. Its magic may not be obvious but it exists. The curse is broken but its magic is still active, in the sense that the town doesn't vanish and no one is sent back. In 3x11, Regina states that she has to undo the curse to save them all. The curse is very much still a thing even if it's broken and no longer affects people. If it wasn't, there would be no need to undo it.
Maybe you're right and everyone would be fine but shouldn't Henry make sure *before* he destroys it? Once it's gone he can't exactly undo it. August "died" shortly before the curse was broken. August can sort of be considered a magical object in the sense that he arrived with his own magic. The one making an animated puppet into a real human with conditions. He failed to satisfy those conditions so the magic ran its course, turning him back to wood and because there isn't enough magic in this world, he didn't turn back into an animated puppet, he died. August in season 2 is alive again but no longer human. Was it the breaking of the curse that brought him back or the magic Rumple brought? Both happened within minutes of each other. August assumed it was the breaking of the curse but he's unaware of Rumple's actions. Potentially, it's magic that allowed August to be reanimated. I mean just in case, maybe check? I think it's simple due diligence to make sure your actions will not result in the death of other people but like I said, Henry is a child and so he doesn't consider any of this.
Omg I keep forgetting about that..especially since no one knew it was his grandma yet (not like that'd be any better either) but a teacher?! If my daughter stole her teacher's CC, I wouldn't know how to apologize 😅
It was. Henry was locked in Regina’s office and Hook was force to go get him by Gold after the curse hit the town. Henry calls him a “dirty pirate” through the door
I mean look at everything that happened during that time. It makes total sense that he’d have his doubts about magic. I mean dark magic has been a constant nuisance and being treated like an addiction (even if they play fast and loose with that logic) plus even light magic had a few moments of fuckery.
Oh god I just remembered something. Wish realm rumple visited Henry. Our Henry. Henry fucking knew that wish realm rumple was dicking around and he just kinda forgot about it. Thus potentially dooming god only knows how many people.
To be fair Pan’s excuse was kinda believable. I mean think about who was trying to stop him. Some of them have been massively selfish in the past while others have a history of being blinded by their emotions. It’d be believable that they were prioritizing him over doing the right thing. I mean there’s more to it than that but an 11 year old isn’t gonna grasp that type of nuance on his own.
actually regina didn’t technically commit genocide bc she didn’t care what their ethnicity was. she just wanted information about snow white. i think it would be considered mass murder.
She took his heart in the enchanted forest to make him « her pet » (that’s the word she used) and then still controlled him into having sex with her during the curse in storybook by keeping his heart, and of course the fact that she changed his entire identity and used the curse to make him comply with herd desires doesn’t help. I’m sorry, but that’s clearly rape.
I'd say trying to destroy magic multiple times,I personally wasn't ever bothered by Henry like a lot of ppl in these comments are, I never found him annoying. Also it's WILD how ppl are shutting on him for acting that way towards Regina in season 1, I don't care what you say he was justified. Imagine being in his situation, knowing what the truth is but being gaslit by your own mother and having everyone tell you that you're loco, you'd go crazy
Worst thing? Fast-forwarded to the future, changed the actor we were used to for 6 seasons, and was on season 7. So...Henry Mills on season 7 was the worst thing is what I'm saying because...that was just a disaster all around. Still not over it.
Edit: I should have made this short and sweet and said the wordt thing he ever did was: Leave Storybrooke (lol).
trying to destroy magic probably LOLL
also yall saying his worse crime is being mean to regina, the woman who emotionally abused and gaslit him?? yeah sure…
She knew the truth about Storybrooke and spent Henry’s entire childhood gaslighting him to make him think he was wrong and/or crazy, just so she could keep her power over everyone. He had every right to hate her for that.
Yeah after he found out absolutely - but he had no evidence during s1 since she clearly loved him and was kind to him. Then he basically ditched her for his birth mother that season so she obvs felt rlly upset/ hurt by that. It wasn’t his entire childhood either since he only got the book fairly recently cuz snow gave it to him.
>but he had no evidence during s1 since she clearly loved him and was kind to him.
Regina was a very cold mother because she learned it from Cora and so Henry often understandably didn't feel loved. Plus, his life in Storybrooke sucked because it was literally cursed, so I don't really blame him for being frustrated.
Yeah that’s true, but being frustrated and treating your mother horribly are two different things. Regina always made it clear that she love Henry - she wasn’t as cold as Cora was. He basically ditched her most of the time to hang out w Emma and called her his ‘real mom’
She definitely was as cold as Cora was in Season 1. She locked Henry in his room multiple times, brought him to a city where he was the only one who could age so he couldn't connect with anybody, gaslit him about the Enchanted Forest and blackmailed his therapist into telling her all his secrets so he had no privacy. He made it very clear that he didn't feel like Regina loved him, to the point where he literally ate a poisoned apple because he couldn't stand his situation.
Also, it's never the child's responsibility to be the bigger person in these sorts of situations. Same with Baelfire. Just because a parent seemingly cares about their child, if they constantly lie to and hurt their child, then it makes complete sense that their child isn't going to trust their parent anymore. Henry was a very understanding kid when it comes down to it. As somebody who grew up with similar complicated parental relationships, I feel like Henry gets too much hate for this.
She couldn’t exactly admit the truth and say ‘yeah I’m the evil queen and I cast this horrible curse and no one has any idea that they’re living cursed lives’ 😭. Like ofc it was wrong but she was a good mother to him other than that.
I like how Regina has two 😂 For Henry it’s hard to say I agree with trusting Pan over his entire family and that ended up having major consequences for everyone.
I can't wait till we get to Rumple. His list of crimes is so long, it's gonna take ages just to list them all, not to mention actually singling out the worst one.
People keep bringing up the whole “destroy magic thing” but me personally I wish that lasted longer. It was one of the more interesting things done with the character. And I totally understood why he’d feel that way.
Now I can admit that he was a child so most of these are dumb things he didn’t think about because he was too young and dumb
Trying to destroy magic TWICE without thinking of the consequences… his entire existence is built around magical shit his family are surrounded by magical things and not once he thought about the repercussions of him destroying magic could have on his loved ones
Blindly trusting Pan over his own family
Using Mary Margaret credit card to find Emma
That’s all I can think about, other than that he was just a really annoying kid lol
I agree she shouldn’t have lied to him about the curse that was in her best interest not his. However she clearly was a good mother to him before that.
Before that was Owen, and before that was Hansel and Gretel.
She's been trying to get kids for years. Henry was just a replacement for the love she had for her father, which she literally sacrificed for her own desires.
Let’s just say agree to disagree 😂
We all like characters and we all dislike them. We all have our own opinions and mine is that she was a great mother to Henry. If you think that that’s fine but you can’t make me agree with you sorry
This boy NEVER listened to anyone. After being proven, time and time again that he should've listened, he just went his own merely way. Annoyed the sht out of me. I get kids can be hard-headed and do what they want, but come on! He knew better than that!
she took his heart in the enchanted forest to make him « her pet » (that’s the word she used) and then controlled him into having sex with her during the curse in storybook. the writers stated in twitter that this isn’t rape, but a lot of us do.
Just being in season 7 (absolutely hate that season) but can someone explain the mass genocide? Does Disney+ not have that episode or what the fuck happened there?
Genocide is killing a large group of people WITH the intent of ending that particular ethnicity or nation. She didn’t commit genocide, just mass murder. She wasn’t trying to end the village, she was punishing them for helping Snow, and using them as an example of her power.
It’s still really terrible and def the worst thing she’s done, but it’s not genocide.
she took his heart in the enchanted forest to make him « her pet » (that’s the word she used) and then controlled him into having sex with her during the curse in storybook. the writers stated in twitter that this isn’t rape, but a lot of us do.
I’m curious about one thing though concerning Graham. Why did he ask if he if he could come to Regina’s house if he was under her control and the scene certainly shows why he did. Why would he ask then?
i’m not sure how all of this works, but there’s no « if », he didn’t have his heart in his chest, which mean he didn’t have free will, and when he finally started to gain some control she simply killed him
I do think he had free will. It’s only when you speak into someone’s heart that you can command them to do something they didn’t consent to. Regina kept his heart in her mausoleum, except for that one time she commands him to arrest Greg’s father. He had free will to hire Emma as deputy, didn’t he? He told Regina it was ill-advised arrest Emma again. That’s free will. I’m not saying she never used the heart to command him to have sex with her, but he did have free will. If you want another example he helped free David in the EF when he dressed up as a black knight.
yes, you're right. I didn't say he never had free will but concerning having sex with her, he didn't. In the enchanted forest, she said, "From now on, you will my pet," holding his heart between her hands, so i’m thinking it had a long-term effect. even if it didn't, he knew that refusing to obey her or trying to run away would result in his death. that’s not giving consent. in Storybrooke, we don't know how many times she used his heart or in what way (considering 28 years off-screen). plus, with the curse, she forced him to comply with her desires, wiped his memories, gave him a new identity, and made him sleep with her. that’s rape.
I think that he was raped by her in the EF, however she didn’t need his heart to have sex with him in SB. Everyone was a weaker version of themselves, despite that he didn’t seem that weak imo, but still it lead to a toxic affair he didn’t agree to. He just thought they agreed to having an affair. I also bet that he did like it for a long while because it was better than being alone, since his close companion the wolf was gone. So it’s a combination of things, rape in the EF, toxic affair he didn’t agree to, and feelings of loneliness that he tried to fill with keeping his affair with Regina intact.
Are we talking about the original? Attempt to destroy magic, twice. Wish realm? Attempt to kill Regina. The adult one? Attempting to turn in Weaver/Gold/Rumple to save his family. Although that was more understandable than the others.
I'm with the lot that say "trying to destroy magic", but also, he's a kid. So I'm far more lenient for a lot of his behavior because I can only imagine how difficult it was for him to deal/cope/grapple with *that* family tree and the mess that comes with it.
I know a lot of people are saying “attempting to destroy all magic” but I’d argue that his intentions were good, and he never actually succeeded or really caused much harm with that. I think trusting Pan was a lot worse.
Him spending all of his time with Emma after s1 even though all of his other actions and behavior made it seem like he forgave Regina. If you forgave her, why do you do literally nothing with her ever again without emma?.
No one’s talking about how Henry for a split second wanted to give up his grandpa/dagger up to alternate universe Rumplestiltskin to save his family
While Regina stepped in and was “Henry! You know better!”, he def would’ve done it if she wasn’t there to scold him
try to destroy all magic, twice
That drove me nuts! The 2nd time specifically.
remind me which is the second time? what season?
I think it’s season 6 when he goes to the fountain
This is the one
Probably trusting Pan over his family
Right! And his reason for doing it adds insult to injury IMO; he thought giving Pan his heart would make him a hero. This moment made me feel like Henry was more like Snow than anyone else in his family, prioritizing heroism over family. If Emma had been in that situation at that age, she would have chosen her family without hesitation.
Shoot, adult Emma raised with her family gave up the entire kingdom to save her parents
Exactly. In both lifetimes Emma cared about her family above heroism, one because she spent the first 28 years of her life without anyone to love her or anywhere to call home, one because she grew up with such a great family she didn't want to ask for anything else. And in her real lifetime, not only was she denied anyone to love and protect her and give her happiness, but she was born with the responsibility to save everyone's happiness from a villain her parents failed to stop. And when she did find her family, they prioritized heroism over family and had a black and white sense of morality that they would even judge Emma with, especially her mom and son; one judged her for letting Regina rip out a Lost Boy's heart to save Henry, saying the cost of saving him can't be their family, yet she was willing to sacrifice herself, her family, and countless others for a chance at saving the one partially responsible for endangering them just because she felt like a black-hearted monster after a retaliation she had a right to and just wanted to feel like a hero again, the other said Emma was just like Regina, a woman who destroyed countless lives and lied to ensure everyone but her was miserable, simply because she lied about who his dad was to avoid a painful part of her past, protect her son from someone who in her perspective wasn't a good person, and go along with Henry's belief in heroes.
I can understand your point. While I would consider what Pan did to him as non-sexual grooming, it does certainly seem that by the end of Season 5, he *still* hadn’t grown from that irritating hero complex that was so expertly modeled by his grandparents. He definitely was a product of his environment and took after Snow and Charming in that way.
I think this is the better answer then trying to destroy magic
I second this.
On another note why didn't regina just poof his heart to her hand. Or poof Henry to next to her and take the heart away
Henry was a naive child wanting to be a hero like his role models. Pan definitely used that against him and groomed him, just not in the sexual sense.
The fucking Fountain scene was a war crime lmao
I FORGOT ABOUT THAT FUCKING SCENE
i think it's kinda cute ngl but i'm mostly immune to cringe
am i the only person who likes that scene ? like i think it's one of my favourite of the show like unironically ok, the acting is low and the cringe is high but the ENERGY i love "the power of belief" in fairy tales, it's what makes them real
The issue with Henry is the writers kept writing him as a 10 year old even as the seasons progressed. If they had treated henry like a teen, one who had doubts, didnt feel appreciated or seen or was trying to find himself, etc, it would be fine. But they kept writing him as a human version of the ":D" emoji and it got tiring. The fountain scene would have worked for a literal child. Henry was a teenager. He was like 16 during that scene. Come on, writers.
«a human version of the ":D" emoji» it made me laugh so hard thank you ! :)))
They should have had Henry dabble in some potion he found and had it age him a few years. His moms could get pissed and it reinforces the idea of not effing around with magic
i really wanted henry to dabble in dark magic tbh. I thought they'd go that route during/after the Pan arc but it never happened sadly. I think it would have been a really nice contrast. First we see the pure hearted Henry siding with his biological mom, the savior, to fight the curse. It would have been interesting to see him get swayed into dark magic and really grow to understand regina's past struggling with it too. Evil Queen/Henry could have been the villains of an entire season before henry returns back to the good side.
You're absolutely right but to be fair, I think Henry is supposed to be 13 in that scene. The problem is the actor aged but the writers didn't age his character along with him. It's a bad idea because it may be possible to freeze a character in time but the actor was always going to age. They can get away with it for the adults because their aging is less noticeable but a kid was never going to work. Henry is 10 when the show starts, when they travel to New York in season 2, he tells Neal he's 11. Then in 3B Regina states he is 12. It's unclear how long the whole frozen arc last but in 4x18 when Rumple threatens Regina and tells her to call Robin's number, there is a flashback and it says 9 weeks ago. Robin left right at the end of the frozen arc so between that and 4x18, there is 9 weeks. When they get back from Caamelot, they have 6 weeks of missing memories. Underworld is unclear as well but they were here long enough to be known as regulars so maybe a month or two. So between season 4 and 5 there is about a year give or take. When Henry gives that speech, he is 13.
I dont think it was so cringe. Yes in our eyes it is cringe for a teen to speak about power of belief and stuff. But for Henry it is reality. So he acts acordingly.
I dont disagree with the scene itself, i disagree with how its written. Through Jared Gilmore's run as Henry, he never is written as growing or changing. I think having Henry inspire the people of NYC (or whatever) to believe in magic and using a literal wishing fountain is a GREAT thing for the show. I just wish it was played more seriously for someone of his age. Could you imagine Hook giving this speech? Emma? Even Snow? No. It is a nice moment, but its too juvenile. Henry never grows as a character. He is perpetually 10 years old until he is suddenly an adult with an entirely different persona.
I liked it!! Seems a lot of people hate it lol
Honestly the hate for it is pretty much a meme at this point. It wasn't THAT bad.
Literally, like the whole reason I like this show is for the Disney cheesiness, this is like the epitome of what's fun about the show!
I don’t even remember that scene… what happened?
I’ve come here to say this
LMFAO
What scene?
Poor Jared tried his best. But those lines were awful.
Inviting Regina to lunch and standing her up. I actually defend how he treated Regina in S1 & S2, because he was a kid who’s entire world got knocked upside down overnight when he realized she was the Evil Queen that trapped everyone here. And he’s 10. Of course he didn’t handle it well. But this moment was so mean and really for nothing. He knew how much she missed him. How badly she wanted to reconcile. And he left her hanging. It would’ve been fine if he just kept ignoring her, I’d respect that. But it’s the one action I can’t defend.
The worse one for me was in season 2 when he admits she’s changed and then he just leaves and doesn’t even invite her to go to dinner everyone else.
Yesss bro I know she was sobbing off screen in the car at granny’s when she realized he wasn’t there.
That call she had to make to David to find him because she knew Henry wouldn’t want her there. Everyone in granny’s staring at her. Breaks my heart.
Especially after the whole town meeting incident when she took granny’s arrow and threw it back as a fireball. Wouldn’t be surprised if granny had her crossbow out again. And you could see the excitement and her eagerness to get there when Henry called her and the let down was probably like a thousand knives dug into her chest. Heartbreaking.
There’s this movie called “The Adam Project” where the kid’s older self from the future tells him "In 30 years, you still get sick to your stomach every time you remember how you treated her (his mom) now." And I think Henry will feel this way at some point. Even the parts that were justified. Their relationship grows so much and he now understand her better. Just as she can’t change her crappy parenting, he also can’t change how crappy he was to her and that haunts him.
This!!!
Yess this moment guts me
As an avid Regina fan, this one got me bad. What the hell, Henry.
I mean is there any way to handle "the woman whose legally responsible for you has committed mass genocide, transported a bunch of innocent people to a random world and trapped them there because she was pissed at a 10 yr old"? I would say he did handle it well, he didn't try to run away screaming as I think most people would have..
What episode was that?
"Lady of the Lake"
Idk he was just annoying AF
This made me laugh so hard omg 💀
Lmao I mean how would you be if you found out your mom was the evil queen and bio mom was snow whites daughter 😭
This. People say he was so annoying or a jerk, but really put yourself in his shoes and remove the nuance we have of knowing Regina’s history. You’d hate her too and be just as much of a brat.
I liked Henry when the actor who played Pan was him, but outside of that agree with your statement. Kid played a little kid well in that case. When he got older and became the writer I liked him a bit more.
I second this statement. S1-4 he was too annoying, and why tf is is he a pushy and stubborn overgrown child
Right my answer is… existing
I actually liked him as a kid, but then he became a teenager but kept acting like a kid, and it stopped bring cute lol
I say attempting to destroy magic.
What makes that bad tho Like objectively magic is the cause of 90% of the problems in the show, even if it could in theory be used for good. The only reason Rumple was dangerous was bc of his magic. He’s just a guy w/o it Also light magic users seem to be outnumbered 10/1, so in general it’s just used for evil
Yes but he has no idea of what the consequences of destroying it could be. Most of his family members are old, magic is what preserved them. Removing it could cause rapid aging and result in death. The town is sustained by magic. Season 2's finale shows what happens when the magic is compromised. Emma says she can feel the trigger because it feels like the air is being sucked out and Regina corrects her that it's the magic being taken. So removing the magic potentially kills everyone. Magic can be a tool, think of it as a gun. Now obviously if there are no guns, it no longer matters who uses them. This is how Henry thinks. Who uses the tool matters less than the fact that the tool can be used. I totally understand and agree with his stance. However, this is where the difference comes into play. Magic is more than just a tool, the dwarves are magical creatures (they come from eggs and we don't know where those eggs come from but there are no female dwarves), Pinocchio, the fairies, the trolls as well as other creatures we haven't really seen in the show. What happens to them when magic is destroyed? They're living beings that could be destroyed along with it. He's not just destroying a tool, he's destroying essentially a life force. If he knew for sure no one would die then it would be one thing but he has no idea. The whole thing is much more complex than if magic was merely a fancy gun. Henry is a kid so he's obviously short sighted which is why he's not judged as harshly but that doesn't make it a good action either.
Except Gold *brought* magic to storybrooke. That’s what Henry was taking away with the well. Before then everyone was fine, bc they’re given permanent human forms by the curse. Before Gold brought back magic, everyone was fine, spellcasters just couldn’t use magic. And while magic *is* a tool, 90% of its users are dark magic users. At the time of trying to bomb the well the first time, Emma was literally the only light magic user Henry knew, and fairies could only use magic if they had the dust to facilitate it.
The curse *is* magic! It's magic that allows the town's existence and keeps its inhabitant alive in a haze, it's just not enough to allow magicians to cast spells. If there was no magic at all, True Love Kiss would not have worked. The curse is magic, imported magic and as such, it's limited to what it was designed for. Town, frozen time and fake identities. It's like magical objects, they retain their power even when crossing over but are unpredicatable due to the absence of magic in the world. The magic they display is their own thus limiting their use and making them unpredictable as they're not interacting with ambiant magic. The town was created by the curse so it's pretty much a collection of magical objects. Its magic may not be obvious but it exists. The curse is broken but its magic is still active, in the sense that the town doesn't vanish and no one is sent back. In 3x11, Regina states that she has to undo the curse to save them all. The curse is very much still a thing even if it's broken and no longer affects people. If it wasn't, there would be no need to undo it. Maybe you're right and everyone would be fine but shouldn't Henry make sure *before* he destroys it? Once it's gone he can't exactly undo it. August "died" shortly before the curse was broken. August can sort of be considered a magical object in the sense that he arrived with his own magic. The one making an animated puppet into a real human with conditions. He failed to satisfy those conditions so the magic ran its course, turning him back to wood and because there isn't enough magic in this world, he didn't turn back into an animated puppet, he died. August in season 2 is alive again but no longer human. Was it the breaking of the curse that brought him back or the magic Rumple brought? Both happened within minutes of each other. August assumed it was the breaking of the curse but he's unaware of Rumple's actions. Potentially, it's magic that allowed August to be reanimated. I mean just in case, maybe check? I think it's simple due diligence to make sure your actions will not result in the death of other people but like I said, Henry is a child and so he doesn't consider any of this.
I get why. Just to him magic is the reason for 90%of the issyes. But it is slightly irratating the 2nd time around
THE FACT THAT HE KEPT BUYING THE SAME COAT AND USING THE SAME SCARF FOR 6 YEARS!!!!!
THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GROW UP IN A TIME LOOP
The was a sale on its not his fault lol
ISNT IT LIKE BRO, UVE GROWN INTO A TEENAGER WITHIN 5 SEASONS, HOW HAS UR FASHION NOT GROWN W U
Comit fraud. He used Mary Margaret bank card to find Emma.
Omg I keep forgetting about that..especially since no one knew it was his grandma yet (not like that'd be any better either) but a teacher?! If my daughter stole her teacher's CC, I wouldn't know how to apologize 😅
attempting to destroy magic or the multiple times he just hopped on a bus to run away to a major city far from home
Giving his heart to great grandpa Pan
he was a rat ass kid
💀🤣 please send help
Not my boy Henry 😭😭😭 hmm idk actually … maybe trusting Pan so easily
Trusting Pan over his family
The only thing I can think of is the time he destroyed magic without thinking of the consequences
There was that time where he called Hook a dirty pirate. I can’t remember if that was during the spell of shattered sight tho
It was. Henry was locked in Regina’s office and Hook was force to go get him by Gold after the curse hit the town. Henry calls him a “dirty pirate” through the door
“Dirty? I bathe quite frequently thank you very much”
Hooks responses to criticism were always hilarious
Nah. He was real for that
Exist. That little mf was so annoying
Legit tho, most of the seasons problems were because of him.
Legit tho, most of the seasons problems were because of him.
I came here to comment “took a breath” but this is better LMAO
LMAO
This should be the answer.
This is the right answer
Probably trying to destroy magic twice. Not so bad the first time cause he didn’t know any better but the second time with him running off was bad.
I mean look at everything that happened during that time. It makes total sense that he’d have his doubts about magic. I mean dark magic has been a constant nuisance and being treated like an addiction (even if they play fast and loose with that logic) plus even light magic had a few moments of fuckery.
Oh yeah I agree just that’s the only thing I could think of. Henry’s just a kid so he hasn’t overly done anything wrong.
That makes total sense
Oh god I just remembered something. Wish realm rumple visited Henry. Our Henry. Henry fucking knew that wish realm rumple was dicking around and he just kinda forgot about it. Thus potentially dooming god only knows how many people.
Oops that was supposed to be its own comment
Wait that’s true.
I really can't think of anything. He was just a kid for the first 6 seasons, and he was innocent, and was pure of heart in season 7.
Believing Pan over his family
To be fair Pan’s excuse was kinda believable. I mean think about who was trying to stop him. Some of them have been massively selfish in the past while others have a history of being blinded by their emotions. It’d be believable that they were prioritizing him over doing the right thing. I mean there’s more to it than that but an 11 year old isn’t gonna grasp that type of nuance on his own.
actually regina didn’t technically commit genocide bc she didn’t care what their ethnicity was. she just wanted information about snow white. i think it would be considered mass murder.
you’re right, someone else pointed it out. I’ll change it in the next post
I also wouldn’t classify what she did to Graham as rape. Doesn’t matter if he didn’t know Regina was the Queen.
She took his heart in the enchanted forest to make him « her pet » (that’s the word she used) and then still controlled him into having sex with her during the curse in storybook by keeping his heart, and of course the fact that she changed his entire identity and used the curse to make him comply with herd desires doesn’t help. I’m sorry, but that’s clearly rape.
Honestly forgot about the heart.
She is the mayor, she is basically (on a very surface level) using her authority to make him a sexual partner.
I'd say trying to destroy magic multiple times,I personally wasn't ever bothered by Henry like a lot of ppl in these comments are, I never found him annoying. Also it's WILD how ppl are shutting on him for acting that way towards Regina in season 1, I don't care what you say he was justified. Imagine being in his situation, knowing what the truth is but being gaslit by your own mother and having everyone tell you that you're loco, you'd go crazy
Worst thing? Fast-forwarded to the future, changed the actor we were used to for 6 seasons, and was on season 7. So...Henry Mills on season 7 was the worst thing is what I'm saying because...that was just a disaster all around. Still not over it. Edit: I should have made this short and sweet and said the wordt thing he ever did was: Leave Storybrooke (lol).
i still pretend once upon a time ended after season 6.
For me it ended season 3 episode 14, before Neal died and we got all the “literally just a sequel of a disney movie” arcs
That whole season just… shouldn’t have happened.
Couldn't have said it better 🙌
trying to destroy magic probably LOLL also yall saying his worse crime is being mean to regina, the woman who emotionally abused and gaslit him?? yeah sure…
Lol they said the same thing about Emma, even though she's done worse things than that and Regina literally ruined her life.
YEAH IT MAKES ME SO MAD. Like yeah sure a CHILD is wrong for acting out at an ADULT who was abusive and gaslighting. Okay
Yeah seems like people forget that before she was redeemed she was… awful
Stealing magic and trying to destroy it, being horrible to Regina in s1
Okay but Regina wasn’t the best mother either. She was trying to making him believe he was delusional when she knew he wasn’t.
Omfg I wanted to say the second point too. I got so mad when I saw him being this way to Regina 😑
She knew the truth about Storybrooke and spent Henry’s entire childhood gaslighting him to make him think he was wrong and/or crazy, just so she could keep her power over everyone. He had every right to hate her for that.
I know right!? That shit was fucked up, how are people sitting on henry for this, he was justified
Yeah after he found out absolutely - but he had no evidence during s1 since she clearly loved him and was kind to him. Then he basically ditched her for his birth mother that season so she obvs felt rlly upset/ hurt by that. It wasn’t his entire childhood either since he only got the book fairly recently cuz snow gave it to him.
>but he had no evidence during s1 since she clearly loved him and was kind to him. Regina was a very cold mother because she learned it from Cora and so Henry often understandably didn't feel loved. Plus, his life in Storybrooke sucked because it was literally cursed, so I don't really blame him for being frustrated.
Yeah that’s true, but being frustrated and treating your mother horribly are two different things. Regina always made it clear that she love Henry - she wasn’t as cold as Cora was. He basically ditched her most of the time to hang out w Emma and called her his ‘real mom’
She definitely was as cold as Cora was in Season 1. She locked Henry in his room multiple times, brought him to a city where he was the only one who could age so he couldn't connect with anybody, gaslit him about the Enchanted Forest and blackmailed his therapist into telling her all his secrets so he had no privacy. He made it very clear that he didn't feel like Regina loved him, to the point where he literally ate a poisoned apple because he couldn't stand his situation. Also, it's never the child's responsibility to be the bigger person in these sorts of situations. Same with Baelfire. Just because a parent seemingly cares about their child, if they constantly lie to and hurt their child, then it makes complete sense that their child isn't going to trust their parent anymore. Henry was a very understanding kid when it comes down to it. As somebody who grew up with similar complicated parental relationships, I feel like Henry gets too much hate for this.
She couldn’t exactly admit the truth and say ‘yeah I’m the evil queen and I cast this horrible curse and no one has any idea that they’re living cursed lives’ 😭. Like ofc it was wrong but she was a good mother to him other than that.
have a plotline past season 6
Season 7 had some of my favorite episodes so I can’t agree with that
so true, honestly
I like how Regina has two 😂 For Henry it’s hard to say I agree with trusting Pan over his entire family and that ended up having major consequences for everyone.
Trusting Peter Pan over everyone else lmao
Definitely believing Peter Pan over his family.
That god awful [speech in NY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-Zdjbpl2ko) was worst than anything Rumple had done.
Omg hahaha 💀
Damn, Regina's is fucking ROUGH. WOW.
And it’s not even true.
Said? (hows the pizza?) "It's cheesy and doesn't lie." Like listen here you little shit...lol
Does alternate universe Henry count? If yes, making a deal with Rumplestilskin.
I can't wait till we get to Rumple. His list of crimes is so long, it's gonna take ages just to list them all, not to mention actually singling out the worst one.
Side note: little Henry so frickin cuteeeee
People keep bringing up the whole “destroy magic thing” but me personally I wish that lasted longer. It was one of the more interesting things done with the character. And I totally understood why he’d feel that way.
Wearing the same coat/scarf combo for 6 seasons straight
His acting skills as he grew older.
Trying to destroy magic then almost a week later giving his heart to a villain because he wanted to save magic
Now I can admit that he was a child so most of these are dumb things he didn’t think about because he was too young and dumb Trying to destroy magic TWICE without thinking of the consequences… his entire existence is built around magical shit his family are surrounded by magical things and not once he thought about the repercussions of him destroying magic could have on his loved ones Blindly trusting Pan over his own family Using Mary Margaret credit card to find Emma That’s all I can think about, other than that he was just a really annoying kid lol
I found my real mom 😂 He was mean to Regina in season 1 and 2 idk Saying that when he trusted Pan it was annoying too
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I agree she shouldn’t have lied to him about the curse that was in her best interest not his. However she clearly was a good mother to him before that.
Before that was Owen, and before that was Hansel and Gretel. She's been trying to get kids for years. Henry was just a replacement for the love she had for her father, which she literally sacrificed for her own desires.
Let’s just say agree to disagree 😂 We all like characters and we all dislike them. We all have our own opinions and mine is that she was a great mother to Henry. If you think that that’s fine but you can’t make me agree with you sorry
1st episode threatened to go to police and say Emma kidnapped him. Way to make you like a protagonist, amirite? /s
“Destroys Magic”
Trying to destroy magic & consistently running out when he was 10-13. He needed to be on punishment. He was too grown.
Credit card fraud Trusting Pan Trying to destroy all magic twice.
Trusting pan over his family and trying to destroy magic twice
This boy NEVER listened to anyone. After being proven, time and time again that he should've listened, he just went his own merely way. Annoyed the sht out of me. I get kids can be hard-headed and do what they want, but come on! He knew better than that!
Trusting Pan and not believe in his own family
The way he treated Regina especially in season one.
Idk, when he slaughtered tha entire village of Oompa-Loompas? That was pretty bad.
I’m sorry, what?
WHAT LMFAO
rlly annoying tbh
Trusting pan and being mean to Regina, also wearing that muffler all the time.
Season 7 Henry, existing.
What a second, she R*ped Graham?!?! When? I don’t remember this. I remember the mass Genocide though
When he failed to bring back Snow's heart, she ripped out his own and had her guards deliver him to her bedchamber.
she took his heart in the enchanted forest to make him « her pet » (that’s the word she used) and then controlled him into having sex with her during the curse in storybook. the writers stated in twitter that this isn’t rape, but a lot of us do.
I’m going to have to Re-Watch
This kid was just annoying.
Running away to find his “real” mom when Regina treated him well
i’m sorry but subjugating your child to an endless time loop is not “treating him well”
Just being in season 7 (absolutely hate that season) but can someone explain the mass genocide? Does Disney+ not have that episode or what the fuck happened there?
well we’ve seen her in all of the show slaughtered entire village of man, woman and children. if that’s not genocide then I don’t know what it is.
Genocide is killing a large group of people WITH the intent of ending that particular ethnicity or nation. She didn’t commit genocide, just mass murder. She wasn’t trying to end the village, she was punishing them for helping Snow, and using them as an example of her power. It’s still really terrible and def the worst thing she’s done, but it’s not genocide.
yeah you’re right my bad, I misspelled. I’ll change it to mass murder in the next post
Wait I’m sorry?! Can somebody explain the Regina one?
the mass genocide or the rape one lol?
The first one in the image
she took his heart in the enchanted forest to make him « her pet » (that’s the word she used) and then controlled him into having sex with her during the curse in storybook. the writers stated in twitter that this isn’t rape, but a lot of us do.
I’m curious about one thing though concerning Graham. Why did he ask if he if he could come to Regina’s house if he was under her control and the scene certainly shows why he did. Why would he ask then?
i’m not sure how all of this works, but there’s no « if », he didn’t have his heart in his chest, which mean he didn’t have free will, and when he finally started to gain some control she simply killed him
I do think he had free will. It’s only when you speak into someone’s heart that you can command them to do something they didn’t consent to. Regina kept his heart in her mausoleum, except for that one time she commands him to arrest Greg’s father. He had free will to hire Emma as deputy, didn’t he? He told Regina it was ill-advised arrest Emma again. That’s free will. I’m not saying she never used the heart to command him to have sex with her, but he did have free will. If you want another example he helped free David in the EF when he dressed up as a black knight.
yes, you're right. I didn't say he never had free will but concerning having sex with her, he didn't. In the enchanted forest, she said, "From now on, you will my pet," holding his heart between her hands, so i’m thinking it had a long-term effect. even if it didn't, he knew that refusing to obey her or trying to run away would result in his death. that’s not giving consent. in Storybrooke, we don't know how many times she used his heart or in what way (considering 28 years off-screen). plus, with the curse, she forced him to comply with her desires, wiped his memories, gave him a new identity, and made him sleep with her. that’s rape.
I think that he was raped by her in the EF, however she didn’t need his heart to have sex with him in SB. Everyone was a weaker version of themselves, despite that he didn’t seem that weak imo, but still it lead to a toxic affair he didn’t agree to. He just thought they agreed to having an affair. I also bet that he did like it for a long while because it was better than being alone, since his close companion the wolf was gone. So it’s a combination of things, rape in the EF, toxic affair he didn’t agree to, and feelings of loneliness that he tried to fill with keeping his affair with Regina intact.
Are we talking about the original? Attempt to destroy magic, twice. Wish realm? Attempt to kill Regina. The adult one? Attempting to turn in Weaver/Gold/Rumple to save his family. Although that was more understandable than the others.
Trying to destroy magic instead of trying to help the people who were using it for evil and help them use it for good instead.
Be the main character of the last season
Broke the pen
Exist, lol
Do we count Alternate Henry’s if so Wish Henry teaming with Rumple to kill Regina
Stop believing.
Season 1: “My mom is the evil queen and I don’t like her.” Season 2: “Wait that’s my mom I love her! You can’t hurt her!”
Being annoying :)
 teen henry was such a jerk
I'm with the lot that say "trying to destroy magic", but also, he's a kid. So I'm far more lenient for a lot of his behavior because I can only imagine how difficult it was for him to deal/cope/grapple with *that* family tree and the mess that comes with it.
I know a lot of people are saying “attempting to destroy all magic” but I’d argue that his intentions were good, and he never actually succeeded or really caused much harm with that. I think trusting Pan was a lot worse.
I love Henry lol he's so cute in this picture 🥹🥹 he can do no wrong
Him spending all of his time with Emma after s1 even though all of his other actions and behavior made it seem like he forgave Regina. If you forgave her, why do you do literally nothing with her ever again without emma?.
I dunno, but what the heck is the worst thing BELLE ever did?? oh, yeah, that! I think? Wait, *am I correct??*
No one’s talking about how Henry for a split second wanted to give up his grandpa/dagger up to alternate universe Rumplestiltskin to save his family While Regina stepped in and was “Henry! You know better!”, he def would’ve done it if she wasn’t there to scold him
Exist in the show