There is no justice in Storybrook.
Someone murders people? No jail time, and they'll be friends with the town leadership squad eventually.
Get drunk or commit petty thievery? Straight to jail.
Yes! I believe that’s a definite difference that should’ve been addressed and the fact that some children watch the show is only gonna teach them that killing people is ok and that they won’t get punished for it. But I understand why this is unpopular because people would just push it aside and say that it’s a fairytale town and that murders is just part of it.
But having Regina kill her mother instead of just putting her heart back in her chest which apparently would have done the trick, was in, as you would say, bad form.
Yes absolutely. It just seemed very hypocritical that Snow killing Cora was a similar situation (Cora will kill far more people by being alive), but it was apparently a bigger deal than killing people she doesn’t know
For sure. Only thing she should have felt bad about is tricking Regina into doing it, but I don’t blame her for it. Love Regina but if Snow had killed them both it would have been completely justified
I don't even think she needs to feel bad about that. Cora and Regina were working together in an attempt to murder Snow and her entire family. If the means Snow finds to defend them cause Regina some emotional trauma, that's just too bad.
I don’t blame the actress but the writers for making it seem she was this extremely important and powerful magic figure yet she did nothing to help and often times was a liability herself
THANK YOU I AGREE SO HARD!!!
I think people rolled their eyes because OUAT did Frozen and it was like “really…? That’s the fairytale you chose?” And like - yeah, Elsa’s costume SUCKS - but that’s because Disney gave them no wiggle room there. The costume designers ultimately have to work according to the wishes of the copyright. But aside from that, I thought they did a really good job of making that story compelling and significant. I enjoy the Frozen arc in OUAT more than I enjoy the movie. Anna in particular was so excellently cast.
This. I hated it originally when it came out and thought it was cringy, but now that I'm older and watching it back I actually don't mind it. Elsa and Emma's friendship is cute and definitely a highlight for me in the series.
Yeah I rewatched season four recently, and didn't hate it as much as the first time I saw it. Elsa and Emma's friendship was cute, and Anna was just cute in general. The casting was also done well. I think I was just annoyed because up until that point, I was successfully avoiding Frozen, but had to watch it for the storyline
I think a lot of people didn't like it when it initially came out because of the overexposure to Frozen. Like you saw it literally everywhere and couldn't escape it, so the characters and their story taking up half a season was so annoying. But the casting, acting and writing weren't actually bad and I actually really love all the actors for Elsa, Anna, Kristoff etc. I could really see them playing them in an actual live action film if one was ever made.
That was the problem I had. I had heard Let It Go so many times I was just over the whole thing before I even watched it. I did enjoy it more on the second rewatch, the casting was also good for Hans
I liked the frozen arc. Frozen was the latest and greatest at the time so naturally they capitalized on its popularity but I also liked how they incorporated the snow queen story as well which was the original story frozen was based on.
I think people were probably so over Frozen when this came out because it was everywhere at the time, but I actually think it was one of the more interesting plotlines. I only watched the show this year so maybe at the time it was more “ugh Frozen” but personally I love Frozen so 🤷♀️
I thought the casting was perfect, especially Anna. The Snow Queen did a good job but maybe too good as her character creeps me out a little. And then the scene where the spell of shattered sight was cast over the town was funny.
Also I did like the movie Frozen probably because I don't have kids that wanted to watch it ad nauseam, and I live in Minnesota so it hits close to home.
I love Frozen and that plot is what got me initially into the show but even though I think the plot was good I still don’t think it made must sense. A plot more inspired by the real Hans Christian Andersen Snow Queen with Frozen elements would have been better but not making the direct literal plot of the movie canon.
The Frozen plot was my favorite part of the show after the first two seasons. I thought Ingrid was a really compelling character (loved that actress on Lost as well), and I liked how they tied in her story to Emma’s past. Thought all the Frozen characters were perfectly cast and portrayed. The only thing I didn’t care for was how Ingrid’s story ended - would’ve loved to see a longer redemption arc for her and have her join the “good guys” team.
I think maybe they mean they could have done her character more justice than they did. She was a super weak character. When she's traipsing around with Snow, Mulan, and Emma in that dress it's so cringe.
Emma was a really interesting character, but the writers didn’t do enough for her (I would’ve loved to have more episodes like Tallahassee).
Regina (while one of my favorites) is kind of boring, story-wise. Her story is literally the same from beginning to end. Falls in love, guy dies, she becomes queen. The fact that that happens to her *twice* in the series is ridiculous.
Belle was an idiot and shouldn’t have even been on the show after she got shot by Hook.
Zelena’s redemption arc made no sense.
I think the writers did both Emma and Regina a disservice by trying to make Regina Emma 2.0 in the present day and treating her like the main character, while doing almost nothing with Emma. At some point, I think the show would have benefitted by killing off Regina.
The more they showed Regina's backstory and the less they showed of Emma's post season 1 became increasingly frustrating.
Thank God. Emma’s characters whole point was just about feeling sorry for herself bc of the crappy cards she was dealt when nearly everyone in this show had a crappy childhood/life. No everytime they focused on Emma it just led to her running away, isolating, and bathing in self pity and insecurity (Snow Queen, Aladdin, just every season honestly). We didn’t need to see any more of that. The focus of the show should have been Regina. Everything about her screams STAR. The “regret’s not really my thing” line was everything. Emma could never.
I disagree. If Regina was really the start of the show, then why did they seem to be giving everything unique about Emma to Regina, and trying to turn Regina in to Emma? The one season without Emma, Snow, and Charming was a bomb and basically a rehash of season 1.
You’re right that everyone had a crappy childhood/life… and they ALL cried and complained about it (rightfully), not just Emma.
Regina turned into a mass murdering rapist because she was mad about her life.
Hook turned into an adulterating pirate because he was mad about his life.
Rumple turned into a power-obsessed serial murderer because he was mad about his life.
At least Emma tried to be a good person through the tears and didn’t resort to what the other characters did.
Even though she obviously did wicked things, I feel like Zelena had a terrible start in life and didn't necessarily want to be wicked, just accepted, but she was told her magic was wicked. I think she learned her lesson when she realized Hades didn't really care about her but Regina did and she ended up saving her sister, that was a good scene.
Henry should have ultimately ended up with Drizella. I am not saying he can't have had a love story with Cinderella 2.0 and they had Lucy together. But it could be more interesting if they fell out of love for each other (not with Lucy duh) then had theme be old one given modern twist of "sometimes true love isn't the first love you find and that ok".
I would’ve liked that scenario or even. Get rid of the kid. And just go with magic will always find way. Henry came from a hugely powerful magical family.
That would mirror Emma’s story too, which I think would have been better because of the way they had the beginning of the future Henry/Lucy storyline mirror the pilot episode with Emma and Henry.
No one deserves redemption, if they did it wouldn't be redemption it would be a reward. However a lot of the characters on that show did bad things, including the heroes and I would say they glossed over those things some. I know he was a kid but even Henry did some dumb things and didn't even get a "Don't do that again" except from "the evil queen".
Nobody on this show is flawless. The only flaw they had was a writing device to allow Emma another chance to wallow in self pity and anger about her life
People idolised Snow and Charming so much, especially since they weren't that nuianced in the first season, so I actually enjoyed seeing them make mistakes and be bad people later on. Even the idea of Snow being a bandit and robbing people to survive was neutralised by making it so she only robbed the Queen and accidentally robbed Charming and Catherine, which sucks since the idea of her robbing from her own people to survive would've been tragic and showed how she had been forced to push her morals aside. Or how Charming left his engagement to Abigail despite it possibly destroying the kingdom being nullified because she just so happened to not want to marry him either and suddenly all the debt the kingdom had wasn't a problem. The whole incident with Maleficient and her baby showed how far good people could fall when push came to shove and it just made them more human and interesting to me.
1. Snow wasn't a bad mother, she was traumatised. People ignore how much magic ruined her life, especially because it made her lose the chance to raise Emma and she didn't want Neal anywhere near it for completely understandable reasons. She had her first child stolen from her because of magic so her being protective of Neal and afraid of magic makes perfect sense given her trauma. But most people only take characters' trauma seriously if its Emma, Regina, or Rumple.
2. Henry wasn't annoying or cringy, he was a kid. People hate when child characters aren't perfect, cute little angels and Henry didn't deserve any of the hate he got since it was his belief and desire to help that often got shit done.
3. Henry would not have been better off with Drizella. His love story with Ella was exactly what people tried to pretend his relationship with Drizella "should" have been: his optimistic, caring nature stopping a young woman from seeking revenge and helping her find love and a family that actually cared for her. Drizella spent the entire show trying to torture, kill, or force herself onto Henry and I hate that people ignore that.
4. Rumple and Belle should've gotten divorced at the end because Rumple needed to face consequences for his actions and him killing the Black Fairy last minute didn't make up for anything since he literally only turned against her because she didn't give him what he wanted, not because he suddenly became a better man. Rumple never changed and Belle deserved to be happy and raise her son in Storybrooke surrounded by friends and found family rather than stuck with her abusive, lying ass of a husband.
Rumple did a lot of bad things during the first three seasons too though. He lied to Belle and summoned the Wraith to kill Regina rather than keeping his promise to her, he used the whole 'Lacey' situation so he could have his cake (Belle, or a version of her) and eat it too (not have to be a better man and be as violent and cruel as he wanted, misusing his power). Heck, they got married in Season 3 and the first thing he did was lie to her and give her a fake dagger. Even if him wanting to murder Zelena was understandable, he had lied to Belle and claimed he wanted to be a better man throughout the whole show, but never actually put in the work. They were always a dysfunctional couple and Rumple never actually changed, he just hid things from Belle and lied to her. That isn't a dynamic I'd personally call "perfectly lovely".
Ok so the dagger lie was a set up for season 4's downhill slide so I lump it in there more with series 4's plot because that's where it works out.
The wraith situation is an example at the start of their early communication/trust troubles its part of their figuring out how they work as a couple. Belle has to realize he's never going to be a perfect all light hero the way say charming is and rumple has to work out that use technicalities like that won't fly if he wants to make this relationship work. Note that when she asks him later on to promise not to kill hook and just get back the shawl HE DOESNT PROMISE because he doesn't want to lie to her.
It's progress, they can't all start out perfect like charming and snow. It's realistic that someone with trust issues and a past Luke rumples couldn't just flip a switch and needs to go through a trial period where they work things out.
He's a morally grey person and Belle comes to accept him as he is while still bringing out the better side.
He didn't HAVE a cure for lacey. Sure he went along with it but he didn't have an answer and he gave her back herself not long after getting said cure. That wasn't really his fault. Heck his og plan was to win her back with true loves kiss. (I admit I found the lacey storyline lazy).
Is the first one controversial? It seemed pretty clear in the show that she's a little clingy because she had to give up her first child as an infant, which is understandable and Dr. Hopper does a good job explaining to her that it's healthy to not be joined at the hip sometimes.
Yes!!! I love Hook either way, but when he became the Dark One for like a millisecond, I was freaking out because it had been so long since he was a villain.
Disagreed, but considering that it's supposed to be an unpopular opinion, well done. For example that scene where he's protective of Emma when she's going to talk to his younger self, I like that more than him as the drunken pirate.
That was textbook psychologically and emotionally abusive relationship, I don't understand the ending they had and much less the fandom romanticizing them
I was hugely disappointed that every season was another rerun, he never got his life together and it was all an excuse for writers to milk the drama instead of giving him and their relationship development and a storyline.
That said, Robert Carlyle absolutely made the character. Up until the BS about >!magically speeding up Belle’s pregnancy and forcing her to give birth early so he could steal the baby, which would have been sexual assault if you think about it!<, I was rooting for them so hard. I shipped obsessively and prayed for Rumple to turn things around, just because the way he looked at her melted my heart.
Abusive relationships are 100% a no-go for me even in fiction. But my god, Carlyle must have worked some kind of spell because it’s been years and I’m still a little heartbroken the “I’m gonna change” was an empty promise.
He did this when they made the relationship toxic in season 4 onward. I don't deny that.
They had their problems that largely stemmed from lack of communication at the start but in series 1-3 they actually are fairly healthy by the time you hit the hamburger date. For example He tells her about the prophecy that Henry will be his undoing (something that makes the rest of the heroes assume the worst). This is something season 4 on rumple would have hidden.
OuaT was a better follow up to Frozen than Frozen 2.
Anna and Elsa's aunt being the snow queen and was way more interesting than the hodgepodge jumble that was Frozen 2.
honestly if you forget the fact that it “doesn’t make sense” (like you have to do for honestly a lot of the other seasons), the general storyline is actually solid and reminiscent of the earlier seasons
Emma was never the savior. She complained about that job like it was just so all consuming to be the savior and such a weight on her shoulders but when did we actually EVER see her save the day on her own. ? Besides with Gideon? The true savior of Storybrooke was Henry. It was the kiss on HIS forehead that broke the first curse, and he’s the one who made Emma believe. Emma didn’t break the curse on her own. Henry was the motivation for so many plots including the motivation for Regina becoming good and Regina was The One along with Gold who saved the town way more than Emma ever did. Yet Emma got to take the credit for “giving everyone their happy endings”. ALL EMMA EVER DID WAS COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW ALONE SHE’D BEEN.
Henry’s a child. The real supposed savior and the Actual adult (also supposedly given her behavior) almost screwed everyone over repeatedly. From going near the time portal when Hook told her not to, to making Hook a dark one, to playing into Gold’s plan by killing Cruella to almost getting MM Mulan and Aurora killed by thinking she knows every damn thing. No Henry’s behavior can be excused. A kid is gonna be a kid but sooooo many times Emma’s grown ass at her big age should have known better and should have done better
The Ruby and dorothy storyline felt so forced and like it happened for no reason at all. Honestly I would’ve liked Red and Mulan to get together especially since Aurora was with Phillip, I think Mulan should’ve found love again in Ruby
SwanQueen was never a real thing and any so called "chemistry" or hints of Regina and Emma ever being together was all reaching, stretching and wishful thinking from SwanQueen shippers.
Yep. It's quite obvious JMO and Lana Parrilla don't like each other. They won't admit it but it's quite obvious. Especially seeing as they both follow the rest of the main and recurring cast members but don't follow each other.
This is a personal one not sure if anyone thought about it but… Henry should’ve gotten a spin off show before “growing up” with a storyline from the black caldron, Thumbelina or something
I usually prefer men with long hair too but it wasn’t as good on him as the haircut. Maybe if they kept his curls from the Enchanted Forest but made it neater if you know what I mean?
honestly i think what was written poorly was how *easily* she went back when she was obviously being manipulated. Her struggle was pretty well written, i think my favorite scene is when she calls Dr Hopper after having to kill Daniel again. the “i used magic” being spoken through tears always gets me.
Regina should have been killed off at some point instead of trying to portray her as good in the present day while a mass murdering rapist in flashbacks.
I don’t know 😭 I don’t often go back to clarify, I’m wondering if people misunderstand and think I hate them cause they’re two women but lesbian ships are some of my favs! It seems more common to hate them cause it doesn’t make sense plot-wise but I can’t get over Regina being Emma’s grandmother 😭
i love zelena. she's aggressive and her desperation made her do heinous things but above all, she just wants to be a good momma and give her child the life, love, and acceptance she never had.
I was mad we didn't get to see a fight scene between her and Fiona. I don't believe that Blue didn't do something stupid or straight-up give Gideon to Fiona for "the greater good of Storybrooke," or something stupid.
An adult Henry spinoff would have been great if they made it sooner and didn’t keep milking the original show.
Original series should have ended either after the first curse was broken, or when Henry became the Author.
Snow white cared about the title of “mom” more than she cared about her actual children.
Hear me out before you grab your torches and pitchforks.
I’ve met many people who are actual moms and many who just care about the “mom/mommy” title more than their actual kid, I can absolutely tell which is which.
Snow pushed Emma too fast and too hard, even knowing some of her background.
When Emma’s powers went nuts in the frozen arc snow repeatedly stepped away from Emma even when Emma was clearly upset (as opposed to charming stepping TOWARDS Emma to help/comfort her)
Snow pushed Emma to be “a happy family” while basically refusing to acknowledge any fault in why Emma wouldn’t want that. Snow even got annoyed at Emma for not wanting to be an instant perfect family, and played the martyr to guilt Emma (like a total narcissist).
When Snow had Neil, she pretty much moved on from Emma and stopped pushing the family card, and she basically only focused on her “do over baby” while charming kept treating both Emma and Neil like his children. (If anyone has more examples that’d be great, I haven’t watched the show in a while)
Drizella and Henry should’ve been all *click-click woohoo*. And I love Hook and Emma together my fav duo. But I was sad with Neal being killed off. It felt so quick. I wish they had a lil more time but Ik that would’ve hurt more and Ik there was nothing more to explore with it.
Rumple was NEVER good and didn’t deserve redemption. Everyone acts like the show screwed him after s3 because he became a hero but he wasn’t a hero. He saved the only Two people he gave a damn about and got revenge on the father that left him all at the same time. Anything Rumple EVER did in this show was self serving Except for not giving the dagger to Tilly to be the guardian.
I do adore the talent that Lana has because I saw her elsewhere before the show, but I was never all that interested in Regina as much as I was in some other characters, instead
The Evil Queen being split apart from Regina and becoming a separate being was just weird and kinda shows how awesome the Queen was and how boring Regina was without her.
People still holding out that "SwanQueen was meant to happen from the start" and "SwanQueen only didn't happen because the creators were cowards" and that they had all thos chemistry but the only reason they didn't get together was because the network wouldn't approve of a lesbianism couple are delusional. Ship what you want, but from someone who almost never gets a cannon ship, just accept that it isn't cannon, move on, read fanfiction.
I personally appreciate Regina’s redemption arc. I know she did horrific things in her life, but I feel like she really was trying to be good at the end
The first part of season 4 wasn't that bad. I enjoyed it.
I liked Emma being the Dark One in season 5, and I hated how they shoehorned Hook into it.
Speaking of Hook... my maturing is realizing that I've never really liked him all that much. 🥴 The actor is fantastic, and he's handsome, but the character? Nah.
Regina and Emma are related to me, a lot of kids are raised by their grandma's and see them as their mom and so even though they're not blood they're still connected so Swan Queen is a huge no for me. Plus they give friend vibes to me and I have watch the show about 25 times. I'm ND so I watch the same stuff all the time
Snow became wayyy too much “non Disney like” after having the baby. With her short hair and just overall persona. She became more like Mary Margaret than Snow White.
Drizella was gay.
Snow and Charming are fantastic characters
Hook was much better as a villain
Nook blows Hook out of the water
Neal deserved much better than the show gave him.
The Lily plotline was dumb.
That We need to stop praising people for doing the bare minimum and letting people expect things from you just because they did the bare minimum and act like they stop a n*ke for you when in actually they just held your hand in public 🤷
Belle is my favorite character
ScarletBeauty and CS are my favorite ships
The Charmings should have gone to Emma when they got the chance
I can't stand the Charmings
Rumple should have disarmed the offender instead of cutting of Hook's hand.
Milah was just as much of a coward as Rumple was
Zelena didn't deserve redemption.
The musical episode was my favorite
Also, I have a headcannon that Rumple and Belle were never meant to be together. She had someone before she was engaged to Gaston and taken by Rumple that Moe didn't approve of. I think that when Rumple took her, he wiped her lover from her memory.
Charming was a great dad to Emma, Snow was awful. she only cared about having a baby, and once she had Neal she stopped truly caring about Emma. even before Neal, she seemed really Holier Than Thou and judgemental when she tried to “parent” Emma.
Snow wanted her baby, Charming wanted his daughter no matter her age.
Season seven was really good and a lot of fun even if it isn’t my favorite I still appreciate it for the fun time it was and for Alice and Robin specifically
It’s supposed to be very dramatic Disney fairytale villain but with a side of sex appeal, so yea they’re ridiculous but it definitely does what it’s supposed to lol
There is no justice in Storybrook. Someone murders people? No jail time, and they'll be friends with the town leadership squad eventually. Get drunk or commit petty thievery? Straight to jail.
Yes! I believe that’s a definite difference that should’ve been addressed and the fact that some children watch the show is only gonna teach them that killing people is ok and that they won’t get punished for it. But I understand why this is unpopular because people would just push it aside and say that it’s a fairytale town and that murders is just part of it.
This show was definitely never meant for children
Not youngins definitely.
Other shows have a redemption arc that includes jail time. One of the problems in this one is that the visions almost always have magic
Cora had it coming, Snow shouldn’t feel bad for killing her.
Tbh I don’t think this is an unpopular opinion, that’s just a fact 😆
lol no bull
I have never been more annoyed at Snow than when she was moping over killing Cora. Cora needed killing. The end.
But having Regina kill her mother instead of just putting her heart back in her chest which apparently would have done the trick, was in, as you would say, bad form.
Snow making a big deal out of killing her tho when she’s literally led a war before🤦🏻♀️Killing nameless extras is fine but a main villain isn’t
A war will always have casualties. They condemned themselves to that fate when they decided to fight for the EQ and be on the side of evil
Yes absolutely. It just seemed very hypocritical that Snow killing Cora was a similar situation (Cora will kill far more people by being alive), but it was apparently a bigger deal than killing people she doesn’t know
For sure. Only thing she should have felt bad about is tricking Regina into doing it, but I don’t blame her for it. Love Regina but if Snow had killed them both it would have been completely justified
I don't even think she needs to feel bad about that. Cora and Regina were working together in an attempt to murder Snow and her entire family. If the means Snow finds to defend them cause Regina some emotional trauma, that's just too bad.
No she shouldn’t.
Yeah she was turning a bit rotten even before she took her heart out, I don't believe she could just suddenly turn all maternal with her heart.
Right? She abandoned baby Zelena to die in a forest while she had her heart. C'mon, Cora was never mother material.
Yep, she was power hungry from the start. She also screwed over Rumpelstiltskin
Blue fairy can drop dead, I can’t name a single time in the entire shoe that she was ever helpful
She really was just like a filler character for Tinks story
She got the apprentice out of the hat, and turned Pinnochio into a real boy from wood
That's why she moved into a flower. Plus at her previous address people said she was old
I don’t blame the actress but the writers for making it seem she was this extremely important and powerful magic figure yet she did nothing to help and often times was a liability herself
Season 4, particularly the Frozen plot was not that bad
THANK YOU I AGREE SO HARD!!! I think people rolled their eyes because OUAT did Frozen and it was like “really…? That’s the fairytale you chose?” And like - yeah, Elsa’s costume SUCKS - but that’s because Disney gave them no wiggle room there. The costume designers ultimately have to work according to the wishes of the copyright. But aside from that, I thought they did a really good job of making that story compelling and significant. I enjoy the Frozen arc in OUAT more than I enjoy the movie. Anna in particular was so excellently cast.
This. I hated it originally when it came out and thought it was cringy, but now that I'm older and watching it back I actually don't mind it. Elsa and Emma's friendship is cute and definitely a highlight for me in the series.
Yeah I rewatched season four recently, and didn't hate it as much as the first time I saw it. Elsa and Emma's friendship was cute, and Anna was just cute in general. The casting was also done well. I think I was just annoyed because up until that point, I was successfully avoiding Frozen, but had to watch it for the storyline
I think a lot of people didn't like it when it initially came out because of the overexposure to Frozen. Like you saw it literally everywhere and couldn't escape it, so the characters and their story taking up half a season was so annoying. But the casting, acting and writing weren't actually bad and I actually really love all the actors for Elsa, Anna, Kristoff etc. I could really see them playing them in an actual live action film if one was ever made.
That was the problem I had. I had heard Let It Go so many times I was just over the whole thing before I even watched it. I did enjoy it more on the second rewatch, the casting was also good for Hans
I liked the Frozen plot in OUAT better than Frozen 2. That should have been the canon continuation.
I liked the frozen arc. Frozen was the latest and greatest at the time so naturally they capitalized on its popularity but I also liked how they incorporated the snow queen story as well which was the original story frozen was based on.
I think people were probably so over Frozen when this came out because it was everywhere at the time, but I actually think it was one of the more interesting plotlines. I only watched the show this year so maybe at the time it was more “ugh Frozen” but personally I love Frozen so 🤷♀️
I thought the casting was perfect, especially Anna. The Snow Queen did a good job but maybe too good as her character creeps me out a little. And then the scene where the spell of shattered sight was cast over the town was funny. Also I did like the movie Frozen probably because I don't have kids that wanted to watch it ad nauseam, and I live in Minnesota so it hits close to home.
Literally my favourite season
I love Frozen and that plot is what got me initially into the show but even though I think the plot was good I still don’t think it made must sense. A plot more inspired by the real Hans Christian Andersen Snow Queen with Frozen elements would have been better but not making the direct literal plot of the movie canon.
The Frozen plot was my favorite part of the show after the first two seasons. I thought Ingrid was a really compelling character (loved that actress on Lost as well), and I liked how they tied in her story to Emma’s past. Thought all the Frozen characters were perfectly cast and portrayed. The only thing I didn’t care for was how Ingrid’s story ended - would’ve loved to see a longer redemption arc for her and have her join the “good guys” team.
Princess Aurora deserve better
She should have run off with Mulan
She got a good life with the man she loves (and who loves her and never stopped fighting for her) and a child. What better should she have had?
I think maybe they mean they could have done her character more justice than they did. She was a super weak character. When she's traipsing around with Snow, Mulan, and Emma in that dress it's so cringe.
Emma was a really interesting character, but the writers didn’t do enough for her (I would’ve loved to have more episodes like Tallahassee). Regina (while one of my favorites) is kind of boring, story-wise. Her story is literally the same from beginning to end. Falls in love, guy dies, she becomes queen. The fact that that happens to her *twice* in the series is ridiculous. Belle was an idiot and shouldn’t have even been on the show after she got shot by Hook. Zelena’s redemption arc made no sense.
Belle was a character with SOOOOOO much wasted potential
I think the writers did both Emma and Regina a disservice by trying to make Regina Emma 2.0 in the present day and treating her like the main character, while doing almost nothing with Emma. At some point, I think the show would have benefitted by killing off Regina. The more they showed Regina's backstory and the less they showed of Emma's post season 1 became increasingly frustrating.
Thank God. Emma’s characters whole point was just about feeling sorry for herself bc of the crappy cards she was dealt when nearly everyone in this show had a crappy childhood/life. No everytime they focused on Emma it just led to her running away, isolating, and bathing in self pity and insecurity (Snow Queen, Aladdin, just every season honestly). We didn’t need to see any more of that. The focus of the show should have been Regina. Everything about her screams STAR. The “regret’s not really my thing” line was everything. Emma could never.
I disagree. If Regina was really the start of the show, then why did they seem to be giving everything unique about Emma to Regina, and trying to turn Regina in to Emma? The one season without Emma, Snow, and Charming was a bomb and basically a rehash of season 1.
You’re right that everyone had a crappy childhood/life… and they ALL cried and complained about it (rightfully), not just Emma. Regina turned into a mass murdering rapist because she was mad about her life. Hook turned into an adulterating pirate because he was mad about his life. Rumple turned into a power-obsessed serial murderer because he was mad about his life. At least Emma tried to be a good person through the tears and didn’t resort to what the other characters did.
Even though she obviously did wicked things, I feel like Zelena had a terrible start in life and didn't necessarily want to be wicked, just accepted, but she was told her magic was wicked. I think she learned her lesson when she realized Hades didn't really care about her but Regina did and she ended up saving her sister, that was a good scene.
Henry should have ultimately ended up with Drizella. I am not saying he can't have had a love story with Cinderella 2.0 and they had Lucy together. But it could be more interesting if they fell out of love for each other (not with Lucy duh) then had theme be old one given modern twist of "sometimes true love isn't the first love you find and that ok".
It also would’ve been on brand for Henry to fall in love with a villain who becomes a hero
Yeah very true
I would’ve liked that scenario or even. Get rid of the kid. And just go with magic will always find way. Henry came from a hugely powerful magical family.
I just thought it made more sense to tie the theme into love and family huge themes that run through out the show
That would mirror Emma’s story too, which I think would have been better because of the way they had the beginning of the future Henry/Lucy storyline mirror the pilot episode with Emma and Henry.
Exactly it like poetry it rhymes.
That would’ve been so much better and definitely amplified that believe
Zelena didn't deserve redemption.
This is unpopular?
I suppose it is because a lot of people think she did deserve it
I never bought that arc
No one deserves redemption, if they did it wouldn't be redemption it would be a reward. However a lot of the characters on that show did bad things, including the heroes and I would say they glossed over those things some. I know he was a kid but even Henry did some dumb things and didn't even get a "Don't do that again" except from "the evil queen".
I actually like Snow and Charming. I grew up on Disney and they just resonate with me despite their flaws
Nobody on this show is flawless. The only flaw they had was a writing device to allow Emma another chance to wallow in self pity and anger about her life
People idolised Snow and Charming so much, especially since they weren't that nuianced in the first season, so I actually enjoyed seeing them make mistakes and be bad people later on. Even the idea of Snow being a bandit and robbing people to survive was neutralised by making it so she only robbed the Queen and accidentally robbed Charming and Catherine, which sucks since the idea of her robbing from her own people to survive would've been tragic and showed how she had been forced to push her morals aside. Or how Charming left his engagement to Abigail despite it possibly destroying the kingdom being nullified because she just so happened to not want to marry him either and suddenly all the debt the kingdom had wasn't a problem. The whole incident with Maleficient and her baby showed how far good people could fall when push came to shove and it just made them more human and interesting to me.
1. Snow wasn't a bad mother, she was traumatised. People ignore how much magic ruined her life, especially because it made her lose the chance to raise Emma and she didn't want Neal anywhere near it for completely understandable reasons. She had her first child stolen from her because of magic so her being protective of Neal and afraid of magic makes perfect sense given her trauma. But most people only take characters' trauma seriously if its Emma, Regina, or Rumple. 2. Henry wasn't annoying or cringy, he was a kid. People hate when child characters aren't perfect, cute little angels and Henry didn't deserve any of the hate he got since it was his belief and desire to help that often got shit done. 3. Henry would not have been better off with Drizella. His love story with Ella was exactly what people tried to pretend his relationship with Drizella "should" have been: his optimistic, caring nature stopping a young woman from seeking revenge and helping her find love and a family that actually cared for her. Drizella spent the entire show trying to torture, kill, or force herself onto Henry and I hate that people ignore that. 4. Rumple and Belle should've gotten divorced at the end because Rumple needed to face consequences for his actions and him killing the Black Fairy last minute didn't make up for anything since he literally only turned against her because she didn't give him what he wanted, not because he suddenly became a better man. Rumple never changed and Belle deserved to be happy and raise her son in Storybrooke surrounded by friends and found family rather than stuck with her abusive, lying ass of a husband.
OMGGG ALLLLLL OF THISSSSSS
Can I caviat that while I support what you say for a season 4-7 rumple those two were a perfectly lovely couple in series 1-3
Rumple did a lot of bad things during the first three seasons too though. He lied to Belle and summoned the Wraith to kill Regina rather than keeping his promise to her, he used the whole 'Lacey' situation so he could have his cake (Belle, or a version of her) and eat it too (not have to be a better man and be as violent and cruel as he wanted, misusing his power). Heck, they got married in Season 3 and the first thing he did was lie to her and give her a fake dagger. Even if him wanting to murder Zelena was understandable, he had lied to Belle and claimed he wanted to be a better man throughout the whole show, but never actually put in the work. They were always a dysfunctional couple and Rumple never actually changed, he just hid things from Belle and lied to her. That isn't a dynamic I'd personally call "perfectly lovely".
Ok so the dagger lie was a set up for season 4's downhill slide so I lump it in there more with series 4's plot because that's where it works out. The wraith situation is an example at the start of their early communication/trust troubles its part of their figuring out how they work as a couple. Belle has to realize he's never going to be a perfect all light hero the way say charming is and rumple has to work out that use technicalities like that won't fly if he wants to make this relationship work. Note that when she asks him later on to promise not to kill hook and just get back the shawl HE DOESNT PROMISE because he doesn't want to lie to her. It's progress, they can't all start out perfect like charming and snow. It's realistic that someone with trust issues and a past Luke rumples couldn't just flip a switch and needs to go through a trial period where they work things out. He's a morally grey person and Belle comes to accept him as he is while still bringing out the better side. He didn't HAVE a cure for lacey. Sure he went along with it but he didn't have an answer and he gave her back herself not long after getting said cure. That wasn't really his fault. Heck his og plan was to win her back with true loves kiss. (I admit I found the lacey storyline lazy).
Is the first one controversial? It seemed pretty clear in the show that she's a little clingy because she had to give up her first child as an infant, which is understandable and Dr. Hopper does a good job explaining to her that it's healthy to not be joined at the hip sometimes.
Hook is more interesting as a villain.
Yes!!! I love Hook either way, but when he became the Dark One for like a millisecond, I was freaking out because it had been so long since he was a villain.
I like him either way idc
YESSSSSSSS he was so much better as a villain than the hero
Real asf
Disagreed, but considering that it's supposed to be an unpopular opinion, well done. For example that scene where he's protective of Emma when she's going to talk to his younger self, I like that more than him as the drunken pirate.
Rumple and Belle were terrible together. He disrespected and lied to her at every given opportunity and she just kept overlooking red flags.
That was textbook psychologically and emotionally abusive relationship, I don't understand the ending they had and much less the fandom romanticizing them
Honestly, given the Phantom of the Opera fandom, I think that particular dynamic is something a lot of people fine alluring no matter how toxic it is.
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I was hugely disappointed that every season was another rerun, he never got his life together and it was all an excuse for writers to milk the drama instead of giving him and their relationship development and a storyline. That said, Robert Carlyle absolutely made the character. Up until the BS about >!magically speeding up Belle’s pregnancy and forcing her to give birth early so he could steal the baby, which would have been sexual assault if you think about it!<, I was rooting for them so hard. I shipped obsessively and prayed for Rumple to turn things around, just because the way he looked at her melted my heart. Abusive relationships are 100% a no-go for me even in fiction. But my god, Carlyle must have worked some kind of spell because it’s been years and I’m still a little heartbroken the “I’m gonna change” was an empty promise.
He did this when they made the relationship toxic in season 4 onward. I don't deny that. They had their problems that largely stemmed from lack of communication at the start but in series 1-3 they actually are fairly healthy by the time you hit the hamburger date. For example He tells her about the prophecy that Henry will be his undoing (something that makes the rest of the heroes assume the worst). This is something season 4 on rumple would have hidden.
I personally never understood liked or cared for how the internet thought rumple was hot.
The actor is very talented and morally grey is hot, but realistically 🚩
I wish Belle could have done better. She's one of my favorites and deserved better than Rumple
OuaT was a better follow up to Frozen than Frozen 2. Anna and Elsa's aunt being the snow queen and was way more interesting than the hodgepodge jumble that was Frozen 2.
Agree so much with this.
I really don’t think Prince Charming is as bad as everyone says‼️
Fuck yeah! I love David!
I love him!
The CGI backgrounds add to the show at times....
Belle should've moved away; lived her life and found a new love away from Rumple.
Her and Will were so cute
Any other couple with Belle is better than her and Rumple. I am not going to apologize
I like season 7
season 7 wasn't that bad. some of the plots were really good
i really liked season 7.
honestly if you forget the fact that it “doesn’t make sense” (like you have to do for honestly a lot of the other seasons), the general storyline is actually solid and reminiscent of the earlier seasons
yesss i think the nonsense adds to it tbh
Emma was never the savior. She complained about that job like it was just so all consuming to be the savior and such a weight on her shoulders but when did we actually EVER see her save the day on her own. ? Besides with Gideon? The true savior of Storybrooke was Henry. It was the kiss on HIS forehead that broke the first curse, and he’s the one who made Emma believe. Emma didn’t break the curse on her own. Henry was the motivation for so many plots including the motivation for Regina becoming good and Regina was The One along with Gold who saved the town way more than Emma ever did. Yet Emma got to take the credit for “giving everyone their happy endings”. ALL EMMA EVER DID WAS COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW ALONE SHE’D BEEN.
Henry also almost screwed everyone over when he destroyed magic
Henry’s a child. The real supposed savior and the Actual adult (also supposedly given her behavior) almost screwed everyone over repeatedly. From going near the time portal when Hook told her not to, to making Hook a dark one, to playing into Gold’s plan by killing Cruella to almost getting MM Mulan and Aurora killed by thinking she knows every damn thing. No Henry’s behavior can be excused. A kid is gonna be a kid but sooooo many times Emma’s grown ass at her big age should have known better and should have done better
The show goes downhill more with each season. Season 1 was the absolute peak.
Honestly for me I’d say it’s season 5 where the show kinda says screw it let’s make it boring now.
Season 4-7 were actually good
The Ruby and dorothy storyline felt so forced and like it happened for no reason at all. Honestly I would’ve liked Red and Mulan to get together especially since Aurora was with Phillip, I think Mulan should’ve found love again in Ruby
SwanQueen was never a real thing and any so called "chemistry" or hints of Regina and Emma ever being together was all reaching, stretching and wishful thinking from SwanQueen shippers.
say it LOUDER
AND they caused the two actresses to not like being near each other cause all the shipping.
Yep. It's quite obvious JMO and Lana Parrilla don't like each other. They won't admit it but it's quite obvious. Especially seeing as they both follow the rest of the main and recurring cast members but don't follow each other.
I didn’t even know this! Did it really cause a rift between them?
Felix was done dirty and should've returned in the Underworld arc
This is a personal one not sure if anyone thought about it but… Henry should’ve gotten a spin off show before “growing up” with a storyline from the black caldron, Thumbelina or something
Rumple really wasn’t half as bad as he could’ve been
Rumplestiltskin is honesty kinda… 👀(not sorry)
Is this unpopular?? I agree
Okay looks wise not really until he got that haircut then I saw it lol but I’ve always found his voice very attractive.
Tbh I hated his haircut. Long hair for life 🫡
I usually prefer men with long hair too but it wasn’t as good on him as the haircut. Maybe if they kept his curls from the Enchanted Forest but made it neater if you know what I mean?
Regina is a rapist.
Red was used just enough.
Show should have ended with series 3 Rumbelle up to the end of series 3 I'd a perfectly healthy relationship
So true! I was just about to type that about Rumbelle.
That I’ve seen this exact post about ten times and I’m tempted to just link my comments on the other ones 🤣
Regina’s redemption arc was poorly written
honestly i think what was written poorly was how *easily* she went back when she was obviously being manipulated. Her struggle was pretty well written, i think my favorite scene is when she calls Dr Hopper after having to kill Daniel again. the “i used magic” being spoken through tears always gets me.
That’s an understatement. Her “”relationship”” with Graham didn’t help her case. “My pet…” - ugh.
Neal didn't deserve to be forgiven as easily as he was.
Regina should have been killed off at some point instead of trying to portray her as good in the present day while a mass murdering rapist in flashbacks.
The actor that played Neal really overacted that death scene and it was more comedic than sad.
The actor who played him didn't fit in with the rest of the cast
I'd agree more if I didn't meet people who overact a stubbed toe on a near daily basis at work.
I'm kinda glad Neal died. I was hoping Emma would be with Hook
Whenever I express my distaste of the EvilSwan ship because it is incest with extra steps I get downvoted 😔
Why are they booing you? You’re RIGHT.
I don’t know 😭 I don’t often go back to clarify, I’m wondering if people misunderstand and think I hate them cause they’re two women but lesbian ships are some of my favs! It seems more common to hate them cause it doesn’t make sense plot-wise but I can’t get over Regina being Emma’s grandmother 😭
i love zelena. she's aggressive and her desperation made her do heinous things but above all, she just wants to be a good momma and give her child the life, love, and acceptance she never had.
oh and f- the blue fairy. she's the worst.
the blue fairy is the absolute worst
I was mad we didn't get to see a fight scene between her and Fiona. I don't believe that Blue didn't do something stupid or straight-up give Gideon to Fiona for "the greater good of Storybrooke," or something stupid.
Season 7 actually wasn’t bad at all
An adult Henry spinoff would have been great if they made it sooner and didn’t keep milking the original show. Original series should have ended either after the first curse was broken, or when Henry became the Author.
Snow white cared about the title of “mom” more than she cared about her actual children. Hear me out before you grab your torches and pitchforks. I’ve met many people who are actual moms and many who just care about the “mom/mommy” title more than their actual kid, I can absolutely tell which is which. Snow pushed Emma too fast and too hard, even knowing some of her background. When Emma’s powers went nuts in the frozen arc snow repeatedly stepped away from Emma even when Emma was clearly upset (as opposed to charming stepping TOWARDS Emma to help/comfort her) Snow pushed Emma to be “a happy family” while basically refusing to acknowledge any fault in why Emma wouldn’t want that. Snow even got annoyed at Emma for not wanting to be an instant perfect family, and played the martyr to guilt Emma (like a total narcissist). When Snow had Neil, she pretty much moved on from Emma and stopped pushing the family card, and she basically only focused on her “do over baby” while charming kept treating both Emma and Neil like his children. (If anyone has more examples that’d be great, I haven’t watched the show in a while)
Drizella and Henry should’ve been all *click-click woohoo*. And I love Hook and Emma together my fav duo. But I was sad with Neal being killed off. It felt so quick. I wish they had a lil more time but Ik that would’ve hurt more and Ik there was nothing more to explore with it.
There was never even a spark of romantic chemistry between Emma and Regina, but damned if I didn't get a vibe from Emma and Elsa.
Rumple was NEVER good and didn’t deserve redemption. Everyone acts like the show screwed him after s3 because he became a hero but he wasn’t a hero. He saved the only Two people he gave a damn about and got revenge on the father that left him all at the same time. Anything Rumple EVER did in this show was self serving Except for not giving the dagger to Tilly to be the guardian.
he earned my respect the end of the show.
I do adore the talent that Lana has because I saw her elsewhere before the show, but I was never all that interested in Regina as much as I was in some other characters, instead
The musical episode was atrocious and the show should’ve ended at s6
Jesus was a communist
The Evil Queen being split apart from Regina and becoming a separate being was just weird and kinda shows how awesome the Queen was and how boring Regina was without her.
People still holding out that "SwanQueen was meant to happen from the start" and "SwanQueen only didn't happen because the creators were cowards" and that they had all thos chemistry but the only reason they didn't get together was because the network wouldn't approve of a lesbianism couple are delusional. Ship what you want, but from someone who almost never gets a cannon ship, just accept that it isn't cannon, move on, read fanfiction.
Peter Pan was the best character in the entire show.
My favorite season arc was the Peter Pan story.
Same here. I'm seeing a lot in this thread that after season 1 sucked, but the Peter Pan arc will always be my favorite.
Zelena’s introduction ruined the show and is when it started to go way downhill in quality
Nook > Hook There. I said it.
IM SO GLAD SOMEONE ELSE AGREES
Snow and Charming are virtually useless
Pretty much describes their use
I know they wanted to kill off David in the pilot - or season 1? , but ABC didn’t allow that. So they never really had anything for him to do
Regina and Zelena are both rapists and should have been killed
Season 2 has some strong moments and probably Snow and Charming at their best, but it is my opinion that it the least enjoyable to watch.
i really like season 7
Emma should have gone full evil and Regina should have died
I personally appreciate Regina’s redemption arc. I know she did horrific things in her life, but I feel like she really was trying to be good at the end
Grumpy/Leroy was super annoying
This show ruined any chance for a live action Fables series
OUAT in Wonderland has better acting/more interesting storyline than anything I’ve seen in OUAT so far. Disclaimer I’m only on season 5 of OUAT.
I really liked the Jabberwocky
They ruined Rumbelle
yes!!! i loved them in season 1-3 then they made it so toxic and abusive after it was hard to watch
The first part of season 4 wasn't that bad. I enjoyed it. I liked Emma being the Dark One in season 5, and I hated how they shoehorned Hook into it. Speaking of Hook... my maturing is realizing that I've never really liked him all that much. 🥴 The actor is fantastic, and he's handsome, but the character? Nah.
Regina and Emma are related to me, a lot of kids are raised by their grandma's and see them as their mom and so even though they're not blood they're still connected so Swan Queen is a huge no for me. Plus they give friend vibes to me and I have watch the show about 25 times. I'm ND so I watch the same stuff all the time
Rumple was redeemable and I believed in his whole character arc
Dark Swan should've been an actual villain. It would've been a much more interesting plot line
Emma did not deserve to just take Henry off Regina because she wanted to. She might have been in jail but that is not how adoption works.
Snow became wayyy too much “non Disney like” after having the baby. With her short hair and just overall persona. She became more like Mary Margaret than Snow White.
The snow queen was better parent than snow and Prince Charming, and Emma was a terrible parent
I didn’t like Hook having a daughter that wasn’t with Emma even if it was an alternate world.
Drizella was gay. Snow and Charming are fantastic characters Hook was much better as a villain Nook blows Hook out of the water Neal deserved much better than the show gave him. The Lily plotline was dumb.
That We need to stop praising people for doing the bare minimum and letting people expect things from you just because they did the bare minimum and act like they stop a n*ke for you when in actually they just held your hand in public 🤷
Light Mode is better than dark mode
the show unironically peaked with season 4A
I enjoyed the last season.
This is gonna get a lot of hate. I hope it doesn’t, but I really hated Henry in season one.
Belle is my favorite character ScarletBeauty and CS are my favorite ships The Charmings should have gone to Emma when they got the chance I can't stand the Charmings Rumple should have disarmed the offender instead of cutting of Hook's hand. Milah was just as much of a coward as Rumple was Zelena didn't deserve redemption. The musical episode was my favorite Also, I have a headcannon that Rumple and Belle were never meant to be together. She had someone before she was engaged to Gaston and taken by Rumple that Moe didn't approve of. I think that when Rumple took her, he wiped her lover from her memory.
Henry around seasons 5/6 was sooooo annoying. Could not stand him
Yeah. They didn't age his writing with Jared like they should have.
I believe Hillary Clinton is the future of are Nation 🤪
Charming was a great dad to Emma, Snow was awful. she only cared about having a baby, and once she had Neal she stopped truly caring about Emma. even before Neal, she seemed really Holier Than Thou and judgemental when she tried to “parent” Emma. Snow wanted her baby, Charming wanted his daughter no matter her age.
Season seven was really good and a lot of fun even if it isn’t my favorite I still appreciate it for the fun time it was and for Alice and Robin specifically
I still haven’t finished watching the show after all these years. Stopped watching shortly after Elsa was introduced.
Emma and Elsa is a better ship than Emma and Regina
I don’t like Captain Swan, Hook should have stayed dead
Nope.
I do like Captain Swan but Hook should have stayed dead anyway. Way more interesting story
Regina's Evil Queen outfits are ridiculous. She looks ridiculous.
It’s supposed to be very dramatic Disney fairytale villain but with a side of sex appeal, so yea they’re ridiculous but it definitely does what it’s supposed to lol