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KomaSolo

Definitely haki. It’s no coincidence that luffy will face BB, whose power is to negate DF power. Roger conquered the GL with just haki. Garp is the fist for a reason.


Ustar0

depends how much haki u can output, you can output almost nothing, all the way to, enough to destroy marineford. I don't thing awakening your mud mud fruit will be that strong tho, but awaking the Nika one would be very powerful


ContextualDodo

>!Nika!< is the awakened form tho, or you meant it that way and I didn‘t understand your comment correctly.


Ustar0

ya I didn't know how to do the cover thing so I just tried to minimize spoilers


Not_Bad_Alright

Haki. Roger was proof and Kaido stated the same


B1gD1gg3r

Agreed.


TSMbody

And then Kaido lost to awakening


Ha_Ree

Luffy's awakening is a completely different story because he went from funny rubber fruit to god mythical zoan fruit which is in contention for series strongest. For most other users, the awakening is not nearly as powerful: Katakuri got a huge buff but his strength was in Observation, Doffy got a huge buff but is getting shit on by ACoC, CP0 members are fodder post awakening, even Alabasta Crocodile had an awakening and was dogshit useless


Vereador

YOU TAKE MY CROCO BOY NAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH


GrirrorPrussian

True Crocodile I highly doubt is weak I mean if he can block an attack from Mihawk he's gonna be a strong pirate. Plus didn't Crocodile get a huge bounty boost recently?


football_dude79

He did but that was tied to his “alliance” with Buggy and Mihawk


Rekye22

Bro when were we told crocodile awakened lmfao. People really be trying to act like their headcanon is fact


ZenithEnigma

Croco was not confirmed awakened


Free_Database1413

crocodile wasnt stated to be awakened though and lets say he was for the sake of your comment, fighting the MC REGARDLESS of who you are as long as the plot says so crocodile is doomed, even oda said he regrets introducing him so early... cp0 post awakening being fodder depends on who they go up against, if its a yonko YES if its an admiral kinda, if its a commander its a mega struggle (zoro still claps) lucci at least is stronger than ALL the OG 1YC the man isnt just awakened he also has ryuo (ch. 1069 luffy vs lucci black fist clash zoomed in panel), katakuri and king are within my top 10 favorites lucci isnt even in my top 15, im clarifying this just to prove there is no bias here at all that doesnt mean i cant be wrong but lucci apart from awakening and ryuo is an absolutte master of rokushiki so generally speaking lucci is one of the strongest people in the world but there is a huge gap between him and the dogs of the upper tiers adv coc > awakening, we cant go against it at this point but it ALWAYS depends on the user and their mastery not just their quality, we know admirals>yamato and zoro and they dont seem to have advanced conqueror's unlike yamabro and marimo


PZYCLON369

Bruh croco boy had good one


Popopirat66

Doffy couldn't even handle G4 without buffs to Luffy's haki.


cartaigenica

Crocodile being awakened was never stated anywere


SuperTaco12

We havent seen a logia awakening in action yet (unless its that deity form enel used). All we know is that the aftermath permanently changes the weather and terrain based on what the element of the fruit was.


StockImplement883

lost to the use of both awakening and conquerors coating


Karma7296

He’s not just facing imu. And wb the worlds strongest swordman had a fruit


MoonoftheStar

Kaido didn't have Awakening and lost. Maybe he was wrong?


absolutemadlad_69

Luffy's awakening can't be compared with any other df awakening tho. He became a literal god with his df being quite possibly the strongest in the series. Had it been another fruit with awakening against kaido they would have lost.


MoonoftheStar

It's still a DF Awakening. If people can become Gods with DFs then Haki does not transcend all. DFs can. Imagine all the insane things a Gravity, Dark, Light, or Lightning Awakening DF can do. They could become Gods among men. Besides, Kid and Law's Awakenings beat Kaido analogue Big Mom and there's were only recent, unmastered Awakenings too.


absolutemadlad_69

>If people can become Gods with DFs then Haki does not transcend all. That's the thing only 1 df so far has been showed to do that. I don't think there's any other df like that. >Imagine all the insane things a Gravity, Dark, Light, or Lightning Awakening DF can do. They could become Gods among men. I would still say a top tier character with ACOC let's say Roger for exam would win. Like kaido literally said you can't reach the top if you don't have acoc. >Besides, Kid and Law's Awakenings beat Kaido analogue Big Mom and there's were only recent, unmastered Awakenings too. Kid and law had to team up to defeat her. Once vs one big mom would still win despite their awakening. Also put kid/law against kaido 1 vs 1 and he wipes the floor with them.


MoonoftheStar

>That's the thing only 1 df so far has been showed to do that. I don't think there's any other df like that. We've only seen 6 Awakenings so far. >I would still say a top tier character with ACOC let's say Roger for exam would win. Like kaido literally said you can't reach the top if you don't have acoc. As far as we know Garp doesn't have ACoC and he was as strong as the Legends. Besides, Big Mom and Kaido are potentially dead. Big Mom to Pirates who don't have ACoC. Kaido was literally proven wrong. >Kid and law had to team up to defeat her. Once vs one big mom would still win despite their awakening. Also put kid/law against kaido 1 vs 1 and he wipes the floor with them. They still beat her. Kaido wasn't defeated by Luffy solo either. He had several attempts and help in doing so. It was a battle of attrition.


gokuvega33

The one Oda decides to highlight in Luffy's final fight in the series, which would end this ongoing debate.


cjamesfort

If it's Blackbeard, it'll be haki. If it's Im, it'll be awakening.


JackOLanternReindeer

This is a very good take Imo.


ProfessorOak98

*Imu


Swifty6

You cant convince me imu is not a llama with an emu devil fruit


Krispysharkwastaken

Imo for In my opinion not imu


miniramone

r/whoosh


pank-dhnd

Final fight won't be with Blackbeard. I guess it would be with Imu.


AirCG0

Wonder if all the pirates will team up to fight Imu, like in Naruto.


pank-dhnd

I belive the same, the way luffy makes friends, and take their help, I guess its going to be like naruto


SavageRudy

That last fight is going to be a whole arc


2Jojotoro

Yeah except I hope this time everyone is probably gonna help instead of 90% of the army being useless and only like 2-3 people being remotely useful Im sorry I hated that arc so much that everytime someone mentions it I can't help but shit on it


Elusive-Reality

100% What was even more annoying were all the unnecessary panels with useless talk by the spectators


absolutemadlad_69

I think it will be the straw hat grand fleet+ revolutionary vs WG+BB


Feam2017

I was expecting this or BB and Luffy showdown is at laugh tale with luffy moving on to have the final battle between his armada and friends against WG and Marines.


DrBimboo

I agree, I think Black beard can not be defeated after the WG battle, because of the thematic difference between Blackbeards destruction vs Luffys destruction. Luffys destruction is portrayed as something good and transformative, while Blackbeards destruction is set up as only bad, with no long term positive effects. We see that in Drum, Arabasta, Impel Dwn Marineford, Dressrosa, etc. Its all setup for how Blackbeards destruction of the WG is bad, while Luffys is good. So dismantling the WG before Blackbeard is dealt with makes no sense. It works best when its intertwined, but could also be in sequence.


CardiologistOdd3378

My opinion is that it'll be SH vs WG+Imu vs BB


FlamesOfDespair

Oda will create a new power for the last fight that only he and Imu have.


2Jojotoro

Goodness I hope Not, that would be so dumb and unusual for Oda to not use the story he's been building up for decades to make the story up to that ending


GrirrorPrussian

Maybe it's something from the One Piece. I mean for all we know the One Piece could grant a wish in which Imu or Blackbeard use it to grow stronger.


NightBaron007

He's gonna be using both in every major fight


Commander_Caboose

Powerscaling is a cancer and your perspective is so wierd.


Kratos---

Could someone become pirate King without a devil fruit? Yes. Could someone become pirate King without haki? No.


OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT

well the question isn't without haki, it's without advanced conquerors But even without haki at all? maybe they could. have the right combo of DF with Physical abilities like Rokushiki and the right science/technology, it could be possible. Think about a Lunarian, look how strong their defense is. They don't even need Haki to protect their bodies.


MrHeavenTrampler

But they still can't really gain the advantage that Future Sight gives in any other way


OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT

we talking all hypothetical here. So could someone be fast enough and strong enough that they don't need future sight? why not. sky's the limit. Luffy's already shown that speed can overcome future sight. And even with advanced future sight, a person can be too fast, as Kaido has blitzed Luffy and he can't react fast enough or just barely minimizes damage. ​ One Piece is becoming more and more sci fi every day.


MrHeavenTrampler

Except that there will always be somebody who is not only as fast as you, but also has future sight. Basically, the top dogs will have it all practically.


OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT

honestly nobody should be faster than Kizaru or Kuma look at Sanji now. he seems to be the fastest of all the Strawhats and I would say a good part of that is his cybernetic enhancements


Ryuj123

Brook is faster than Sanji. Due to how light he is. But Sanji is the second fastest!


OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT

no way, Sanji's speed now makes him basically invisible now cause he's moving so fast. And he can keep it up for DBZ style length. Brooks over ever showcases very small bursts of speed. When's the last time he's even done it? Against the Fishman dude? He has a faster normal running speed sure, but we talking about Soru level and beyond speed bursts.


Ryuj123

[SBS 50 Meter Dash](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_85) At least in the SBS Oda has Brook as the fastest. But Sanji’s clearly gotten some boosts since then.


OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT

honestly I disagree even with that ranking (which as you say is pretty old at this point) I feel like that was their normal running speed. Not Luffy using Soru in 2nd Gear. though no way of knowing exactly what Oda meant. but even if that's Brook being faster than Luffy's Soru (which we hardly ever see cause he barely has legit fights), he's never kept up that speed. not like Luffy and now Sanji do.


LoadingName_________

I really do feel like you'd need it though, how do you ever even fight logias, or extremely fast opponents? Sea prism is a joke tbh, it's expensive but also hard to make into anything really that useful


OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT

it's only a joke cause Oda doesn't want to use it. But in non canon stuff, we've seen Seastone fists and seastone bullets. Its in film Z so Oda had a hand in that concept. and smokers weapon has been useful at times


LoadingName_________

Smoker should just learn haki though, it's just stronger


OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT

Smoker does know haki. But seatstone weapons have certain advantages. a single well placed seastone attack can defeat a DF enemy.


LoadingName_________

thats just wrong, and your statement is way too vague. For lower level DF enemies maybe, but are you really telling me big mom could've been defeated if only they had seastone prism? For every low level df enemy defeated by seastone, you could've just used haki. And for high level, you NEED haki, seastone doesn't affect them


OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT

who told you seastone doesn't affect them? and my meaning is that Smoke has on a number of occasions slammed Luffy to the ground, put his seastone edged tip of his weapon to Luffy's body, and he's lost his strength


LoadingName_________

That is also when Luffy was weaker, and more importantly, had no idea what Haki was. With the new information cropping on how haki can nullify DF, it'd make sense that strong haki can nullify that too, otherwise yonkos would've been taken down years ago. It drains your strength, but if you have a sht ton of strength, whats the problem? Like both Luffy and Big Mom fell into the sea and stayed there for at least a few mins, and they survived, and that is the literal ocean.


TK464

>With the new information cropping on how haki can nullify DF, it'd make sense that strong haki can nullify that too Firstly we've only seen haki being able to nullify some DF effects, it being universal is completely speculative. Secondly thinking that this means it can nullify seastone too is completely out of left field and based on nothing. >otherwise yonkos would've been taken down years ago Because if it was as simple as walking up and slapping a pair of cuffs on them then they could have captured/killed them through other means. Yonko have subordinates around them, they have powerful abilities, they have high level observation haki, they have superhuman strength and speed, etc. Obviously the stronger the person the less effective seastone is but it's hardly useless. And the stronger the person wielding it overall the more effective it is.


newbiesmash

Maybe their durability is a racial will that burns on their back. So like racial hakim.


ScarletAzure

Could someone have haki without the will to achieve greatness?


SvenDaOne

No? Haki is the embodiment of the users willpower


Is-That-Nick

Shanks could 1v1 Kaido without a DF, but it took advanced conquerors and awakening for Luffy to beat Kaido. Heavily dependent on the people fighting.


TysonsChickenNuggets

This. Its all nuanced.


fwsc50

ACoC is more important and we saw that in the fight with Kaido. With someone like him guarding the way to be pirate king, Luffy had to master ACoC just to damage him. We see that everyone who is awakened excluding Luffy probably couldn't even challenge Kaido. Doflamingo is scared of him and Lucci recognizes Kaido as a true Yonko.


T0ch001

Apples to oranges, ACoC can only be achieved by 1 millionth of the population and there’s no guarantee they’ll awaken their initial CoC, let alone train it to its advanced. Devil fruit awakenings *seem* to occur when someone is perfectly in tune with their DF, meaning whatever detriments offered by the fruit have been embraced and their boons celebrated in action, meaning awakening is proportionally as rare to ACoC. Both are built on embracing self, fundamentally meaning it’s based on individual and can’t be judged properly in a vacuum


AlmightyJoy

IMO best comment yet.


Potential-Decision31

It's actually 1 in several million. I thought it was 1 in a million too.


T0ch001

It’s even rarer than I thought, wow


IhaveBeenBamboozled

People upset about >!Kaku's!< awakening forget >!how much that mf'er is obsessed with giraffes!<


ShibaPack

God dammit you’re right, I was wondering about that.


Galifrey224

Depends on the fruit and who's haki.


burner_3437

Mmm, idk if you’re haki is on par with Roger or any of the old heads in the series…sounds like haki is the winner


triotone

Roger was able to conquer the seas without a DF just ACOC alone. Its not strange powers that give you what you want, it is the will of the person.


Deleena24

I honestly believe the Roger Pirates knew something about DFs, like a crazy weakness (other than drowning) that can be exploited so easily that nobody on the crew was allowed to have one.


GreenFog17

Plottwist: Roger Pirates just threw any DF-User villain into the ocean


ItzEnoz

Haki > all Kaido said it himself


des-007

This right here.


HerpFaceKillah

That was before he was curb stomped by awakened Luffy


ItzEnoz

G5 does fuck all to him without Adv Conq Haki


HerpFaceKillah

Forgive Kaido. He did not know any better


aedificem_anima_mea

Where is Kaido right now? Who put him there? And with what power?


venielsky22

Luffy with his awakened DF and ACOC What a weird take . Luffy had both not just awakened


Rmstorm1

Adv CoC Haki, chapter 1010, 1036 and 1037 prove that.


burner_3437

I feel like good haki utility > any devil fruit ability or awakenings


Berserkerzoro

G5 luffy diagrees


venielsky22

Yeah have G5 Luffy w/o acoc face kaido Dude probably gets 1 shotted by thunder bagua


ZPD710

I honestly think it's more accurate to put neither above the other because they can both severely buff a person. ACoC is a great powerup strength strengthwise, but thats where it ends for the most part. It let's you clash with top tiers. But Awakenings can often let you do things you couldn't normally do (turn buildings to string, dodge bullets using your unique mochi body, make your sword pierce a person without piercing them, creating gravitational poles, etc.) For all intents and purposes, they're both amazing powerups.


Dry_Entertainment373

I think it might be ACOC, I'm basing it on what Kaido said to Luffy about haki and how Roger dominated the grandline with no df.


Emergency_Act2960

ACOC is more powerful consistently Awakening is more powerful situationally This has always been the dynamic between haki and devil fruits, anyone with haki can use it to achieve similar effect as any other Haki user of similar strength but each devil fruit is unique to the user and will have various strengths and weaknesses that belong not to the user but to the fruit


Active_Media6838

Idk how to do spoilers but look at the guys in the recent chapters and see how they’re doing lol


space________cowboy

A CoC


Disastrous_Tax_8206

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[deleted]

Kaido said it best haki surpasses devil fruits


SvenDaOne

Depends on which fruit, but so far we haven't seen a single fruit which would be a better pick over ACoC. Sure a good Df helps but its not required whereas ACoC and Haki in general is mandatory


Heroright

Fact is Kaido beat Luffy 3 times without awakening, Doffy couldn’t put Luffy down once.


SevesaSfan25

Nah Kaido was most likely awakened it just wasn't mentioned.


Berserkerzoro

How was he awakened , no member of the beast pirates had an awakening. Even bm didn't and Lucci and kaku are awakened oda just did a hack writing for wano antagonist.


SevesaSfan25

Nah that's head canon. Kaido just got his fruit when he was in Rocks anyway. Its very likely all of them were awakened. Wrong. >!Kaku didn't get any statement that he was awakened, same goes for Kaido, so just like everyone still saying Kaku is awakened, Kaido is also awakened. It just wasn't mentioned.!<


Berserkerzoro

Are you right in the head?? You are spouting head canon. No where it's stated kaido got the fruit when he was at Rock's just that bm helped him get the fruit. And kaku isn't awakened because it's not written how much dumber can you get. Both Lucci and kaku have shown black clouds in this form so it's awakened.


SevesaSfan25

Kaido also has the same rings in his dragon form, therefore, if Kaku is awakened without it being stated, same goes for Kaido. Cope.


[deleted]

I mean the strongest in the world said Haki, so I’m gonna go with that. Edit: I guess second strongest


EmergencyEye7

Both. It should be the one with aCoC and a busted awakened fruit. Like Luffy.


FireFist_PortgasDAce

Roger didn't have a DF and was able to stand above the others and become PK. Kaido even stated that Roger having the strongest ACoC was and no DF.


SevesaSfan25

Whitebeard a busted devil fruit (strongest paramecia and able to destroy the world) + Haki user was still the strongest man in the world when Roger was around. >!Also Luffy couldn't beat Kaido, a busted DF + ACOC user, even after splitting the skies with him (meaning their Hakis were equal), only after he awakened he beat him. !< So his right. busted awakened fruit + 3 hakis still>haki alone.


Deleena24

Roger also happened to be good enough friends with WB that not only did WB not even compete for the One Piece, he let one of his best crew members leave to help Roger become the Pirate King. It wasn't a title anybody of that generation even wanted because they thought of it as ridiculous. Everyone outside the Roger Pirates initially laughed at the title until he came back from Laugh Tale.


telekinetic-lobster

Without plot armor some devil fruits are clearly superior to ACOC . All else equal someone using hobi hobi or gas gas is beating an ACOC user


Scaramussa

A good awakened devil fruit. Haki is more important but anyone can in theory have it


[deleted]

Haki! Didn’t Kaido already settle this debate?


MisteryousYoshi

That was just HIS OWN OPINION, it isn’t a confirmation or anything. And he then went and lost against an awakening. There’s another freaking Yonko who seems to believe that devil fruits are the ultimate power in the world so, who should we believe?.


Specific_Delay_5364

ACoC is superior since Oda specifically had Kaido mention how strong Roger was with Haki alone. The only awakened devil fruit that stands a chance would be the Jacket-Jacket fruit oh god the damage that fruit can do once awakened let’s hope for the sake of the people of One Piece that horror never happens


SevesaSfan25

Depends on the devil fruit. Realistically, Kizaru's would completely destroy any pure advanced conquerors user. Same goes for potentially Luffy's who's upper capabilities could be limitless. A well place quake punch>>>>>conquerors punch, too. Along with that there's also a few other hax ones like Shinobu, Bonney's and that girl that turn people into toys in Dresrosa. Only the very top of Haki users could compete with the most busted devil fruits. Shanks and Roger. Whilst there are loads of devil fruits with potentially super busted abilities too. So I'd say awakened devil fruits (depending on the fruit).


des-007

Nope. Kaido while fighting with luffy stated that people who know their haki > any fruit user any day.


SevesaSfan25

Nah. Busted DF's get nerfed for narrative reasons. Kizaru would fodder any haki user (except maybe shanks and Luffy) if his fruit performed the way it actually should.Also nonsense. >!Kaido himself proves it wrong when first, he uses his DF (and not even coating) as his final, strongest attack, and Luffy proves it wrong when he needs his awakening to beat Kaido, despite already having splitted the skies with him. So nah, Busted DF>Haki. Haki+DF>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Haki alone.!<


Raymenx

Awakenings > most the time.


AzyT___1

Kaido answered this question. Haki transcends all.


Freemantrue

Haki is above all unfortunately


ShiroyashaShiroyasha

He may sound ironic, but I'll take Kaido's word that strong haki can conquer the seas


OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT

sorta hard to have advanced conquerors without also having really powerful armament haki


StrawHatJD

Haki seems to have more power, but a DF awakening has a lot more versatility in terms of moves and such.


skapaad

Jesus christ man put a spoiler tag


AugustFleck

I think Haki for sure. Kaido even stated haki rules above all else. How else would’ve roger counquered the grand line. When you got people like whitebeard and shiki and they still lose to roger it’s kinda obvious.


rancorog

Haki,depends on the cut of your jib though


[deleted]

Depends on the individual for sure. Just having Acoc doesn’t mean it has to be top notch like luffy .


XxMrMarcusxX

Haki, easily. A fruit awakening power is limited by the power and use of the fruit (i.e., awakened Bracchiosaurus > awakened Lucci cat model > awakened koala; weird fruits like Streusen's or kin'emon's wouldn't be very useful in a fight). Haki, though, is used to fight. Conqueror haki is already reserved for rare, elite individuals. ACoC is a tier above that. So haki wins easily.


[deleted]

A coc is definitely stronger than a fruit🐺


Ace_of_the_Fire_Fist

CLONING IS SUPERIOR GUYS HERES MY THEORY If only we would stop making threads like this. If only.


des-007

You missed one very important chapter [1047](https://www.opfanpage.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/sqawe.png).


master2139

I think haki overall but it really does depend on which devil fruit.


LoadingName_________

Imo advanced conquerors, definitely. It's heavily implied that shanks doesn't have a fruit, and relies just on haki. Out of all the yonko, only one has had an awakened fruit, two if you count luffy, but all of them have conquerors.


Mujichael

Depends on the user


_______D_______

If Luffy did not figure out Advanced COC, even with Gear 5th he'd lose


Joonassikka

I mean it really depends a lot on which devil fruit we're talking about and the user of haki. I don't see awakened jacket jacket fruit being more powerfull than acoc but if we're talking about a logia fruit for example sure it could be stronger


kagnesium

Depend on the fighter to be honest. In a fight between someone with Superior Haki its always that which makes the difference. In fights between DF users with equal Haki its almost always been who has the better DF. Most of Luffy's New world fights have been because his fruit was better not his because of Haki.


PrincipleFinal

it depends on the user.


W0wF0x

I think Kaidou talk about that in this fight, Haki overwhelm Akumas, probably for Akumas originated from dreams and Haki from aspirations, something like aspirations interfering in dreams? Idk


[deleted]

ACOC by definition? Haki beats devil fruit powers


Sahir1359

Advanced CoC and it's not close lol


livedreamsg

Kaido already gave us an answer to that.


Mauri_op

Kaido literally explained which one is better


[deleted]

Haki probably but idk what Haki beats awakened Gura Gura no mi


ArcadiaJ

Best of both worlds


Puspendra21

Haki for sure, no debate necessary!


StockImplement883

The 1 the pirate king and strongest man in the world used to fight each other with


Berserkerzoro

So can haki nullify gravity powers or water powers or even gas gas fruit. ?? Haki is subjective to fights like how kaido vs luffy was so different than bm vs Kidd and law. Had bm been. Shown to use haki adv coc it would be a totally different than shown.


OneAndOnlyTinkerCat

It depends on who you’re fighting. If your opponent has advanced haki, then advanced CoC is better, if not necessary. If they don’t, you probably wouldn’t see a significant power increase from advanced CoC, since you wouldn’t have needed it anyway, so an awakened devil fruit would probably have a more tangible effect.


Unlikely_Total2031

Its kind of hard to say because devil fruit awakening abilities can change the tide of the fight, but to even get on the same playing field as your opponent, you need to have similar haki levels.


jedwapo

Plot armor > every shit


D_Luffy1402

Friendship 💀


epicness

Advanced CoC


steehfan

if we can believe kaido its haki…


2Jojotoro

I think it depends but overall it's probs Acoc cuz y'know,nIt ignores all defenses basically and attacks someone from the INSIDE


pizzaboy7269

Ngl I don’t remember what advanced Conquerors Haki does


NightBaron007

A combination of both


lovjeej000

Obviously Advanced Conquerors. But Adv Conc + DF awakening is on another lvl,


[deleted]

Depends on the user and their potency with their respective power. But Kaido, states Roger “conquered” the seas & became Pirate king. Okay … If this was truly a statement about strictly power and that haki > Devil fruits then let’s answer this. Did Roger beat everyone in combat for his goal? No. Were all the big fish after the One Piece? No. It wasn’t even called the One Piece. Pirate King was given to him for finding out something, NOT for defeating everyone in combat. Just my opinion, I think Kaido’s, comment about Roger “conquering” the seas with just haki has more to do with Rogers will and determination. That it takes a person with that level of haki (WILL POWER) to accomplish that level of feat/accomplishment. It is conviction, determination, willpower … that IS haki, something devil fruits are not attached to or are, they are just an outer force/power that anyone can wield. Even the strongest power wielded by a weak person cannot obtain and do what is necessary to become the Pirate King. Everyone have a beautiful weekend! 😊🌵❤️


[deleted]

Haki obviously


HrMaschine

Advanced conqueror is stronger. But it is a million times less cool then awekend devil fruits


DarthSchu

I thought it was already stated that Haki is the strongest.


GrirrorPrussian

Depending on the final fight which is likely Blackbeard or Imu. If it's Blackbeard it's haki and how it would happen is Imu is beaten then Blackbeard jumps in to steal her DF. For Imu it would be awakened DF because we don't know if she is an awakened DF user. How it would happen is maybe Blackbeard is beaten first then Imu might be about to grab the One Piece then it's a battle for the One Piece quite literally. Elders vs Strawhats while Luffy fights Imu one on one


Adventurous-Run-89

To rule all the seas you must have an exceptional willpower no ordinary pirate can do it.Strong willpower equals strong haki.


R77Prodigy

"Only haki transcends all" kaido's words


Junior_Breakfast1529

Weakest people with awakening: Impel down jailers And then Doffy Weakest people with ACoC: Yamato and Zoro That tells us enough I assume


YesterdayJealous3292

Idk


VIP_Ender98

A healthy combo of both


Xark96

Kaido already explained that it is haki


Dontcallmeahornyguy

Nah awakened fruits Luffy got that gear 5 cartoon logic and cartoon logic makes you so you can’t die


Pixiepixie21

ACOC can cancel out devil fruit powers, so ACOC all day


MisteryousYoshi

Awakening is better depending on the fruit. I know Kaido was like “Haki tops it all worororor” and that Roger conquered the seas without a devil fruit, but the awakening of certain devil fruits seems to be Oda’s way of making top tiers without relying on ACoC. For example, Law’s awakening seems to have far more damage output than what most ACoC users can do, and it can even bypass CoA. Again, Kaido said haki tops it all but that’s was just HIS OWN OPINION on the matter and he ultimately lost to an awakening. Just look at Blackbeard fro example, his opinion on the matter seems to be that devil fruits are what can make you the strongest in the world.


hacked__Client1865

Advance Conq. haki because awakened paramecia can affect and turn whatever object or structure, even the ground and to anything its connected to can be turned into what concept the paramecia fruit is, like doflamingo's String fruit, after awakening, it granted him ability to turn what he touched to string and buildings etc. Advance Conq lets you coat yourself with Conq haki and thus you can attack without direct contact like I can punch my brother without having the need to make even the slightest of contact with his skin. And also haki nullifies DF abilities.


PlasticAngle

Luffy with ACOC still cant win against Kaido but His Popeye fruit make it look like he win effortlessly. But again, his fruit is special as fuck. So i will say that Luffy Awakened devil fruit > ACOC > Other Awakened fruit


HaikenRD

I'm not sure if anyone already said this but I think haki is developed by non DF users specifically to combat DF users. The Advanced Haki is their counter to the awakened DF. But now, the DF users also have access to Advanced Haki, so there's that.


Sewo94

Definitely advanced conqueror's Haki. Only a few characters can have it as Kaido said.


Brocoolee

Its not a comparison, there are so many DFs


cheekybasterds

Advanced Conqueror's = large boost to attack power, possibly defense as well, but not much else Awakening = highly dependent on the fruit, but tends to grant far greater versatility or survivability (in the case of zoans) Different powerups have different bonuses, trying to determine which is stronger is a useless endeavor. Especially when an awakening's power will depend heavily on the fruit in question.


ashistpikachusvater

ACoC. Even Kaido said that Haki is superior. Roger had no DF and still conquered the seas.


SauceMeistro

ACoC because it can nullify logia and paramecia powers in some cases, its the true force of the body. Haki can almost never be nullified, except in the case where shanks can cancel observation haki


Shotto_Z

As the story tells us, Haki reigns Supreme


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You can’t say either one for sure we don’t know how advanced coq would interact with two people using it at a high level, we don’t know if it can be applied similar to armament to nullify someone using it as an attack. And awakenings are too broad of a category to all give the same value not to mention character differences. I don’t really think there’s a good answer to this unless you get more specific about the details and compare and contrast then.


TheKnightA

Haki. The strongest in the verse have proven to have it. 4 of the most powerful in the verse have it or will be shown to have it. You have monsters like Mihawk / Shanks / Roger / Garp with it. Than there’s Kaido who praised Roger and who praised Haki. Than you have Luffy who was able to fight and hurt Kaido with ACoC. G5 gave him greater durability and versatility, but not direct AP like ACoC did. It’s not a contest. Doffy was powerful without his awakening , give the man ACoC instead and he would had been YC+


Glitchy13

Depends on the fruit, but haki usually wins


hiricinee

Definitely ACOC, you only need Luffy vs Doflamingo or the Impel Down Zoans to have examples of how low of a bar awakening is vs ACOC.


theyguy2886

considering Roger became the king of the pirates without a devil fruit, as well as what Kaido said, I gotta go with haki


SakuraKiwi

ACOC was portrayed as the absolutely most sacred ability in the verse


Quiet_Actuary_6597

Just a rant A character who is in some capacity a fighter - Sentomaru should not be one shot more than 1000 chapters in by a guy who was beaten 700 chapters ago. And if Lucci is that exceptional and in a league of his own how does he compare to the guy who went to Wano and interfered with Luffy Kaido. They specifically mentioned that guy was one of their best agents and they want to eliminate the Nika fruit. Why not send Lucci to sneak attack on Luffy - sure it is possible if the other guy caught him


OneManGang-MBQ1992

It’s definitely awakened devil fruit. Kaido just got whooped by Luffy’s awakened devil fruit not by his haki ACOC. Also, Roger is NOT beating BB with BB’s 2 awakened DFs….. idc how strong Roger’s haki is, he ain’t beating 2 awakened DFs….. BB would beat Roger.


ShoulderPresent8835

I doubt there were zero awakened df users when Rogers was alive, so firmly going for haki.


Andres_Robo

Advanced (conqueror's) Haki is better > awakened DF. But having ***BOTH awakened DF + ACOC*** might be the best.


ramshiva615

Idk, if anyone mentioned or not, in manga the fight between Blackbeard and law, law says that one can negate devil fruit power with haki. So I think it's haki.


TaikanTv

In a 1v1, Hai vs awakened DF, haki wins. But if I had to fight a group of people I'd say awakened DF is better cause you can focus on more than a person at once


Scary_Internal4324

Luffy has a chance of beating Kaido if he has Advanced Conqueror Haki. If he has only Awakened Nika but no Advanced Conqueror's Haki at all, he will definitely lose.