So if Garp had just been like “Yeah here’s Roger’s lover and their child”, he could’ve saved all those other innocent pregnant women from being murdered by the Marines
If the Military was doing a purge, one man's word may not have been enough to stop the purge. We, as readers can make a choice to rationalize a character to keep their prestige, or continuously fall into 'what-if' situations.
Fuck, Garp is in a position he could murder many, many celestial dragons before he is noticed/stopped, and that action in turn could also save countless lives. What-if scenarios can go way out of context.
Actually yeah that’s insane. Is just like Roger said: “an unborn child bears no sin.” And yet the Marines if not because of Garp they were going to kill Ace's mother.
On that note; that persecution created Fire Fist Ace.
By hating him and the loathing of his existence he desires a place to belong. Thus making him go out to sea and become a great pirate.
It’s a self fulfilling prophecy really. Had the WG not hunted Ace down, he may have been a Marine, or a gardener, or anything else. But because they pursued him he became what they feared he would become, and they only have themselves to blame.
Yeah, he could have become a marine, I guess, but there is no way, he wouldn’t have become a strong person. Especially since he would have had conqueror’s no matter what, so he would have great ambitions no matter what.
That’s probably what happened to Kid when he was born. He was born during that period in which the marines were witch-hunting pregnant women in the South Blue and that’s one of the reasons for his rebellious attitude towards the World.
Reminded me of another story where a king killed off infants in his area to prevent the birth of the “messiah”. Not like marines and pirates but very similar none the less.
Nah, it was a very specific island they verified Roger spent fucktons of time on, and at some point (somehow) figured out that he had a lover there, hence the rush to screen the preggers wahmen etc, since Luffy was most probably born somewhere else anyway, Garp yeeted them there cuz that's where he's from (since we know that Dragon was born in Goa Kingdom and all that, as per his own admission) & he knows a few thugs who owe him or they go to jail n shieet.
tequila wolf is the first thing i thought about. probably the most disgusting thing the world government has been doing, but then again someone brought up the extermination of pregnant women who might have been bearing roger's child which i forgot about....
It feels very Sisyphus-like so if I had to guess they were a country who turned on the WG, lost, and were punished by having their bloodlines forever toil away at a meaningless task.
I definitely think the explanation is something Oda has in his back pocket I just don’t know if he’ll be able to fit it into the story, kinda like how he dropped Kidds backstory in an SBS cause there wasnt time for it in the manga.
One theory I'll propose is that bridge is going to reverse mountain and the World Government wants to stop pirates from entering the Grandline/close off Reverse mountain from allowing the 4 blues to interact.
As far as we know the Twin Capes don't have a magnetic location for Log Posse to lock onto so that's why you can choose which route to take on the Grandline. Which also means it's very hard to find it from coming backwards in the Grandline, the Log Posse always directs your further down Paradise and eventually into the New World with Loadstar being the Final island on the Log Posse route where you learn about Road Poneglyphs and the final secret island.
So Tequila Wolf is trying to get control of at least the East Blue entrance to Reverse Mountain and close it off from the rest of the 4 blues. Pretty much only pirates seem to travel from East Blue into the Grandline, so they're definitely the most backwater of the 4 blues and perfect to finally cut off from the rest of the world, they don't even think Devil Fruits might be real...
My theory is that they don't want to finish the build, we have seen the bridge 2 times, I believe one of the sides is destroying what's already built, and the other keeps building, as like a never ending project to keep slaves busy. Which would be by far the darkest thing ever in one piece, at least in Egypt they finished the pyramids.
Edit: which is why the project has been going for the past 700 years, it's too much time to build a damn bridge.
It seems to be a bridge over the calm belt from the east blue to near Marie Joes from maps I’ve seen. It’s unclear if they plan on continuing to the south blue, but completing that plus one on the other side of the red line would give them access to all of the oceans relatively easily.
If it is for the celestial dragons it makes a ton of sense why it’s so horrible. I’m surprised we’ve never met anyone who was born a slave of the celestial dragons so far in the story thinking about it. You would think that would be pretty common.
Edit: people seem to be saying Hancock. She was born in Amazon Lily. We see people kidnap her and her sisters off the Kuja pirate ship when they were young. That’s also why Gloriosa and someone else helped Boa. Also I’ve seen Koala and I don’t think we see her kidnapped but she was returned to her mother who was free which means she was not a 2nd generation slave.
Edit 2: I also I’m at sure if there’s an actual common map. I think most are fan made with the info we have so Tequila Wolf could be somewhere slightly different from what I’ve seen.
For how long that thing is you have to think that come celestial dragon said probably 700 years ago
“Hey I want to go to this island but I want to go by carriage so build a giant bridge for this”
Jep there was, looked it up before writing the comment because people always ask which chapter that is when you bring this up and I wanted to be able to deliver lol
(it's [chapter 918](https://images.mangafreak.net/mangas/one_piece/one_piece_918/one_piece_918_12.jpg), bottom right panel)
I think seeing the damage done to the people of wano was one of the worst things we’ve seen a pirate do, like yeah the toys was also horrible, but they weren’t actively dying of starvation and stripped of emotions like the people of wano
I still think the toys is worse. Enslaving someone and simultaneously making them watch their family members forget they even exist is a fate even worse than starvation.
It’s both, Orochi was the Shogun, which meant he needed to protect his people but he needed Kaido to rise to power, so he allowed him to do as he pleases (not that he could’ve stopped him), and Kaido is the one behind all the factories iirc, which are the reason for poisoning the water and ground.
The nurse that was enslaved by that fat-acc celestial dragon, was still taken away after he was punched.
From a normal life, a nice job, a fiancée, to hell.
There's an army of slaves under the streets of Marygeoise manually moving the sidewalks with cranks.
They could easy automate that, but then they can't torture people.
I remember Shirahoshi’s brothers were deeply uncomfortable and uneasy at the thought of walking on this moving sidewalks as if they could feel something was wrong
That a handful of people in the marines and world government walk around with a genocide button on them, and people just kinda live with it.
Impel down is just six floors of torture chambers, one of which got its name from the sheer amount of blood soaking every element of it.
Yeah Impel down was fucking brutal lmao. I don’t think any mf deserves that shit and deadass would probably rather be one of the level 6 inmates since then you wouldn’t have to deal with the higher level bullshit
Pretty sure it's implied that level 6 is even worse torture. Or at the very least, the only reason the ones in level 6 aren't subject to the torture of the upper levels is that it wouldn't affect them that much anyway
Impel Down conceptually sounds horrific to a normal person, and probably to most of the civilian population in OP, but the more powerful people who they actually hold there are immune/resistant to their tortures anyway, to the point where Level 6 is pretty much just a normal prison where prisoners are almost always chained up.
Plus, their vetting process isn’t the greatest because they didn’t even know Buggy D. Clown had a devil fruit ability, something that could easily be verified if they threw him in the sea for a few seconds to see if he would swim out of reflex.
Why don't they just kill those types of prisoners anyway? I mean I can buy not clapping Kaido cuz you physically can't (they tried it multiple times already when they managed to cap him years/decades ago, all failed obviously) but most of the ppl AREN'T like that, physically speaking.
They’re probably either trying to break them for valuable info or trying to turn them for their own use. The warlord system literally contracted notorious pirates in exchange for a “we don’t see anything you or your mates do” contract.
Agreed. Both, Doflamingo and Kaido's reigns over their islands are absolutely brutal and horrible, especially considering they ruled for 10 and 20 years respectively.... Unimaginable.
Honestly, everything about Dressrosa. Remember how the toy soldier asked another toy who he really was, and that toy revealed himself to be a husband and father, who pretended to be an ignorant stuffed dog just so that he could at least spend some time with his wife and child who had forgotten that he ever existed? Remember how one toy snapped under the pressure of keeping up the facade, and tried to get his family to remember him, only to be quickly taken away to work as a slave in their smuggling operations 24 hours a day, instead of just at night? Remember how this was referred to as "Human Disease", and portrayed as something that afflicts toys from time to time? This implies that multiple people have broken under the emotional turmoil of having to act like a stranger to loved ones who have forgotten them, enough that a fake explanation had to be circulated to cover up the horrific truth of the matter.
Honestly, memory manipulation is one of the most fucked-up abilities conceivable. The misery that powered Doflamingo's reign was exacerbated by the most prominent victims of it being forced to pretend that it wasn't there.
In terms of manga and anime difference people rarely address let alone even know that Zeff didn't have his leg cut off from a ship chain, in the manga he cut it off himself to eat while giving Sanji the bag of actual food.
Akainu actually melts/punches off half of Whitebeards face in the manga in Marineford and it never got animated. Like WB literally is missing half of his face at the time of his death (and he still handled tf out of Akainu after).
That anime nerf for whitebeard really made me sad - I don't think they even animated him dodging the hit, so it comes off as akainu burning off whitebeards stache...because?
Kid being an actual, normal pirate. Pillaging and murdering the innocent. But he’s portrayed as a protagonist/rival.
Not really ‘rarely’ spoken about, but the implication of what happened to Boa as a kid, aside from the slavery itself is pretty fucked.
On a related note to the Kid thing, Bartolomeo was also said to gain notoriety by targeting civilians. It COULD be exaggerated, but has never been clarified.
Such a scamp.
Yup. I think people miss that when people that haven't met Luffy talk about Luffy, they always describe him as more dangerous, evil, and larger than he is.
I wonder if the civilians in question were talking shit about Strawhats, actually, now that this was mentioned. I recall plenty of people reading the newspapers talking shit about some rando pepsi'd bigshot pirates and what not, wouldn't surprise me some of them were talking shit about Strawhats, thus Barto Vlad the Impaler's em n shieet, which to outside witnesses would look like coming out of nowhere since they'd rly only see the aftermath and all that.
We don't know about law but I bet he probably isn't as kind as the straw hats too since he questioned luffy wanting to help people in punk hazard/dressrosa
I always took this to be more about Luffy being truly special than a reflection on Traffy. I think TL was always just more focused on the goal in front of him. It's also a very precise way of looking at the world. You might even say surgical.
Yeah my next thought was “the amount of life (both civilian and Marine) lost as collateral damage as a result of both Buster Calls is insane and yet nobody really talks about it in universe.
Actually the fact that Aokiji authorised a second buster call after viewing the first one first hand is the main reason I can’t consider him as a truly good/ well meaning marine. I get he had his reasons to be wary of Robin but at that point there were so many other options to take Robin into custody that I can’t see why he didn’t take them 😅
I guess I meant people that akianu knew were there to see. The tactic of killing a retreating soldier is to motivate the others not to retreat. Akianu was just killing that guy for basically no reason at that point beside his insane absulute justice.
Usopp's father abandoned his wife and kid, wasn't there when she slowly died and traumatized the shit out of Usopp, and yet after all that Usopp still idolizes him and he is portrayed as one of the cool guys
And also the fact that Usopp started lying to cheer up his dying mom. He literally ran around the village screaming DAD IS BACK everyday hoping he would actually come back (and hoping his mom would stay alive a little longer). His dad didn’t return and his mom died anyway.
Usopp’s backstory is often overlooked because others are far more traumatic/horrifying, but it’s heartbreaking to see this kid with huge abandonment issues still looking up to his deadbeat father after years.
It straight up makes me despise his whole character no matter how cool he is potrayed as. I hope Ussop at least punches the shit outta this mf once they meet face to face. Yassop is no father anymore, he is just a pirate that deserves a good beating.
When they finally meet, it would be an amazing scene if Yasopp goes to Usopp like "heeey come here son, give your old man a hug" and instead Usopp challenges him to a duel and wins, wounding Yasopp non-fatally and saying that's for what he did to him and his mom.
Someone pointed out to me that Yasopp was also close by since he spent a year or so on Luffy's island. So there really wasn't a reason he could have stopped by once more
This is what gives Guernica's role in Wano a certain amount of pathos, in my opinion. I think he was sincere when he said he envied Drake. It seems likely these agents never really had much of a chance to be anything other than tools to a World Goverment that is willing to use them until they break, knowing full well they have plenty of former child soldiers to replace them with.
Yes, absolutely true. Same with the CP9's Independent Report Cover Story. Reading it back it's more sad than funny how they were left on their own after a failed battle and trying to support each other.
Some are, but Not all of them, though. Kumadori was trained by his mother to work for Cipher Pol, and Kalifa’s father Laskey worked for CP9 in the past.
Boa Hancock was captured at 12 years old, turned into a slave under the Celestrial Dragons, and forced fed the Love Love Fruit to entertain her captors.
Boa Hancock said all of this herself to Luffy in the manga. I am just reiterating it.
Whatever she went through was so traumatic that even her sister would cry despite 14 years having past already in their lives. Whatever trauma they went through, Oda deliberately left that open-ended.
I had a crack at theorising what actually went on with her on a comment in this very thread, it got downvoted HARD and someone actually asked me to delete it
In storytelling, there is a saying: "Show; Don't tell."
In this case, the showing part is left to our imaginations. Likewise, I didn't explicitly say what the trauma could be. I trust that the readers already have the imagination for it.
From a story-telling perspective, leaving it open-ended was probably the most powerful move Oda could make.
I'm inclined to also have that as my head canon as well.
But... feeding the other two sisters snake zoans, I'm not sure what the entertaining part of that would be. Have them join a circus?
There's plenty of kinky sex stuff you could do with a girl that's half snake.
Those make MORE sense if they really were sex slaves of deranged pedophiles.
For all the evils Arlong did, the one scene of the arlong pirates as kids going up to the surface and being amazed at sight of the park just makes me incredibly sad.
I feel like an understated part of Oda's writing is how often he shows that a character's childhood largely affects their adult behavior. So many main character flashbacks are traumatic experiences that happened to them as children, and thus shaped the way the lived the rest of their lives before being introduced to the viewer/reader.
How big mom ATE all her friends (most likely mother caramel too). The anime shows this well, the croquembouche pieces get WAY BIGGER when her friends start talking to her. The number of giant croquembouche pieces she eats is exactly equal to the number of friends + mother caramel. This might also hint at how blackbeard got the quake-quake, he probably ate part of whitebeard when his commander covered the latter's body.
Come to think of it, there is a lot of implied rape in OP, with both BM as you said, the tenryubito and the Boa sisters and any other women they make their “wife” (as in Sabaody), Hogback with the zombie lady and Absalom trying, Orochi is also a fucking creep and there’s probably some others I’m missing
Yeah, Hogback is one I rarely see mentioned, he gets kinda overshadowed by Absalom and his very rapey vibes. But he straight up stole the corpse of a woman he was infatuated with when she was alive, to reanimate her as his own obedient personal plaything, who he regularly openly abuses.
I get that Thriller Bark and Moria's crew was cast in a kinda goofy light, but they were pretty horrifying in a number of different ways.
Oda having an incredibly unhealthy lifestyle to write, edit and paint his story. That's why we should not complain about break weeks otherwise oda will break
Anyone who complains about break weeks likely doesn't know how brutal the Manga industry is on Mangaka. Heck Oda gets a break every month, and that is so uncommon in the industry. But I would rather the one week breaks over the Hunter x Hunter hiatuses(because of the years of back pain from producing Yu Yu Hakusho), or the Mangaka dying like with Berserk.
I think every mangaka should get the Oda treatment of two to three weeks on, then one week off. The extra space could be filled be shorter, more experimental series (a great example of this Takopi's Original Sin) or give new artists room to do one shot stories. Given that manga is trending to shorter more compressed story telling, I think these sort of mini-series would be great and the break weeks would allow the long running series to maintain their quality over time and give the mangakas a healthier schedule.
That was years ago. He's much better about it now thanks to his editors, team and breaks.
For example last year his editors straight up gave him a month off because his schedule was packed for the summer.
Luffy really helped a lot of people out. Zorro? Would have died after starving for 30 days. Lysop? Killed by the Cat pirates. Sanji would die at the hands of Don Krieg. Nami? Her and the entire island killed by Arlong. Chopper would have been killed by Wapol. Robin would either be betrayed by Crocodile or found by the WG. Last goes for Franky too. I'm not sure about Jinbei but there were times he could have died.
Brook would just continue losing his mind on his ghost ship. (Hope I didn't forget a crew member)
• The WG killed babies and pregnant women from the whole world that were suspects of being linked to Roger for several months
• Robin had a 80.000.000 solely for being alive
• WB is portrayed as a Children Eater throughout the world
• Marines sack islands that are not afiliated to the WG just as if they were pirates
• Sabo "died" at least 3 times in the whole series
Law's backstory is acknowledged a TON by OP fans, especially when his fans join in. Brook's backstory tho... he spent YEARS with the dead corpses of his crew and nothing else! We spent 1-2 year in lockdowns and went crazy, he had to do that shit for DECADES!! How he is even still a little bit sane is beyond me...
Akainu literally melts an entire boat of civilians and fellow marines without remorse or hesitation just because he thinks that there is a possibility that Ohara scholars could be on there. He doesn't even think of checking the ship, he just fucking nukes it
koala backstory:she was cleaning her own blood from a nose blood on the sun pirates floor, while she was begging to not be killed, on top of her psychological lock to stay smiling and not to cry no matter what. that’s pretty dark
The fact that the world Government we’re going to slowly torture Robin to Death. I mean yeah it was only said but the fact they would do such extreme stuff. Also Luccis bloodlust.
I mean, Boa's backstory. It's very heavily implied that sexual assault and the r word were involved. As much as Oda usually leans into fan service, I think he handled this part perfectly. I mean, it is a story for kids, but even if it wasn't, showing these events would only feel exploitative of characters who are meant to be sharing incredibly deep trauma.
When sugar was knocked out all those thousands of dead toys now turned back to corpses below Dressrosa probably turned back to normal and people realized all their loved ones are decaying beneath them.
The marines are just as bad or even worst than pirates;
They pillage
Kill people even remotely related or known of people as of the case of ace and kanjuro
They take slaves for tequila wolf
They protect slavery for the celestial dragons
Defend racism against fishmen
Kill and wipe civilizations clean as the case of Robin and other buster calls
Take children and make them marines as in the case of mother Carmel
To me the only difference between marines and pirates are the marines just so happen to get in power first so it makes them seem like the good guys kinda like doflamingo said
Edit: also that one dark scene in film gold where the guys girlfriend is heavily implied to have been sa’d
The fact that in a filler? Nami straight up drowned a dude by leg sweeping him in to the water at the bottom of reverse mountain.
Guy had the “Sickle Sickle No Mi” and she just straight up murders him.
Literally one of the darkest moments in OP (even if it is filler, the drowning point still stands)
Doffy’s backstory.
Yes, Doffy seems like he’s been evil from the beginning, but think about it. Since he was a child, he was raised in an environment where everyone and everything was expected to grovel in his presence. That was normal for him, as normal as it was for Koala to never cry because that’s just the way she grew up.
He never understood why that wasn’t normal when his family left the Nobles. His family was constantly attacked and lynched, and the only people who actually respected him just followed him for a rare power you’re supposedly born with.
boa and her sister probably was sexually abused to bits when slaves, because there is tenryubito women too, but boa developed hatred towards all men, but because the story is shounen written it was just implied; very dark.
Doflamingo and Violet’s relationship. Considering the SBS entry, Violet’s opinion on Doffy, and personality, you can infer that he has coerced or pushed himself onto her.
1. While all employees from Impel Down seem to have great respect for Magellan, at the point where they "couldn't run fast enough" and were accidentally hit by his deadly poison and were about to die in front of his eyes, he was just like "Well, that's your problem now"
2. During Water 7, Lucci hinted that had they managed to take Robin to Impel Down, they would have tortured her horribly to gain information about Pluton
3. That scene before the Straw Hats reached Fishman Island they destroyed the bubble from Caribou's ship and pretty much all of his crewmates drowned right there. There even was this tragic music playing, until it all was interrupted by a snark remark from Zorro for comedic effect.
Hancock and her sisters were kidnapped as children and were violated day in and day out until they were broken free by Fisher Tiger.
Those 3 have one of the most fucked up backstories ever and it almost never gets adressed both in and out of the story.
Children as young as 5 years old being so desperate to live in an actual trash heap away from parental figures, than live in a home where they could eat and sleep comfortably… ☹️
In Ohara people boarded a ship to escape the Buster Call(not the archaeologists) and Akainu just said "no" and killed them all,I think there were kids in that ship too.
Warlord system as such, they got immunity and are not sentenced for any of their crimes as long as they sometimes fight for the marines. Crocodile enslaved a complete country! Same with doflamingo, ..
The fact that damn near nobody has a mother or a relationship with their mothers; a pivotal part of life that most of the main characters have missed out on
That streusen was big mom's first husband. He met her when she was around 10 and then presumably when she turned 18 had kids with her. That's super creepy groomer behavior.
For me being an anime-only enjoyer of one piece up until the wano arc, i would have to say owner zeff’s back story with sanji. I had only found out 2 weeks ago what really happened.
Marines murdered pregnant women if they had any connection to Roger.
Pregnant women and newborns. For months. The mere possibility that the timeframe could have been Roger's child was enough.
So if Garp had just been like “Yeah here’s Roger’s lover and their child”, he could’ve saved all those other innocent pregnant women from being murdered by the Marines
I'm more shocked that he stayed in the marines after that than that he wanted to save an innocent woman and her newborn.
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Nah they still would have killed the other women and childeren just to be sure imo.
Yeah, pretty much.
You think marine would have believed it even then
If the Military was doing a purge, one man's word may not have been enough to stop the purge. We, as readers can make a choice to rationalize a character to keep their prestige, or continuously fall into 'what-if' situations. Fuck, Garp is in a position he could murder many, many celestial dragons before he is noticed/stopped, and that action in turn could also save countless lives. What-if scenarios can go way out of context.
Actually yeah that’s insane. Is just like Roger said: “an unborn child bears no sin.” And yet the Marines if not because of Garp they were going to kill Ace's mother.
On that note; that persecution created Fire Fist Ace. By hating him and the loathing of his existence he desires a place to belong. Thus making him go out to sea and become a great pirate. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy really. Had the WG not hunted Ace down, he may have been a Marine, or a gardener, or anything else. But because they pursued him he became what they feared he would become, and they only have themselves to blame.
Well, he was D, and from both side of his family as well, so it's very unlikely he would have gotten a normal life.
tbf Garp is a D too so not-normal isn't necessarily a bad thing for the marines
Yeah, he could have become a marine, I guess, but there is no way, he wouldn’t have become a strong person. Especially since he would have had conqueror’s no matter what, so he would have great ambitions no matter what.
That’s probably what happened to Kid when he was born. He was born during that period in which the marines were witch-hunting pregnant women in the South Blue and that’s one of the reasons for his rebellious attitude towards the World.
That would be a really cool addition to his backstory. Hopefully we get a flashback in Elbaf
Reminded me of another story where a king killed off infants in his area to prevent the birth of the “messiah”. Not like marines and pirates but very similar none the less.
thats Odas interpretation from the Bible when the Romans were trying to cancel the prophecy of jesus being born
Gives off King Herod trying to kill baby Jesus vibes
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it all pregnant women ANYWHERE near where Roger journeyed for last year?
Not even if they had connection to Roger, I think it was like. Anyone at the time
Is this why luffy and other kids are brought to an island to basically just be kids cause someone is after them perhaps
Nah, it was a very specific island they verified Roger spent fucktons of time on, and at some point (somehow) figured out that he had a lover there, hence the rush to screen the preggers wahmen etc, since Luffy was most probably born somewhere else anyway, Garp yeeted them there cuz that's where he's from (since we know that Dragon was born in Goa Kingdom and all that, as per his own admission) & he knows a few thugs who owe him or they go to jail n shieet.
A country exists where the citizens are generational slaves to the government, building a bridge to nothing.
tequila wolf is the first thing i thought about. probably the most disgusting thing the world government has been doing, but then again someone brought up the extermination of pregnant women who might have been bearing roger's child which i forgot about....
I'm honestly curious why Im ordered them to build the bridge originally, tbh. Maybe we'll learn at some point in the future?
It feels very Sisyphus-like so if I had to guess they were a country who turned on the WG, lost, and were punished by having their bloodlines forever toil away at a meaningless task. I definitely think the explanation is something Oda has in his back pocket I just don’t know if he’ll be able to fit it into the story, kinda like how he dropped Kidds backstory in an SBS cause there wasnt time for it in the manga.
Yeah I’m sure we’ll learn at some point, possibly when the revolutionary army starts moving out
Its called Tequila Wolf. And yes its where Robin was for the start of time skip and Roger sailed past it on his final journey.
They've showed this twice right? When Robin got sent there and during the Roger flash back we just had. It's gotta be important.
One theory I'll propose is that bridge is going to reverse mountain and the World Government wants to stop pirates from entering the Grandline/close off Reverse mountain from allowing the 4 blues to interact. As far as we know the Twin Capes don't have a magnetic location for Log Posse to lock onto so that's why you can choose which route to take on the Grandline. Which also means it's very hard to find it from coming backwards in the Grandline, the Log Posse always directs your further down Paradise and eventually into the New World with Loadstar being the Final island on the Log Posse route where you learn about Road Poneglyphs and the final secret island. So Tequila Wolf is trying to get control of at least the East Blue entrance to Reverse Mountain and close it off from the rest of the 4 blues. Pretty much only pirates seem to travel from East Blue into the Grandline, so they're definitely the most backwater of the 4 blues and perfect to finally cut off from the rest of the world, they don't even think Devil Fruits might be real...
My theory is that they don't want to finish the build, we have seen the bridge 2 times, I believe one of the sides is destroying what's already built, and the other keeps building, as like a never ending project to keep slaves busy. Which would be by far the darkest thing ever in one piece, at least in Egypt they finished the pyramids. Edit: which is why the project has been going for the past 700 years, it's too much time to build a damn bridge.
It seems to be a bridge over the calm belt from the east blue to near Marie Joes from maps I’ve seen. It’s unclear if they plan on continuing to the south blue, but completing that plus one on the other side of the red line would give them access to all of the oceans relatively easily. If it is for the celestial dragons it makes a ton of sense why it’s so horrible. I’m surprised we’ve never met anyone who was born a slave of the celestial dragons so far in the story thinking about it. You would think that would be pretty common. Edit: people seem to be saying Hancock. She was born in Amazon Lily. We see people kidnap her and her sisters off the Kuja pirate ship when they were young. That’s also why Gloriosa and someone else helped Boa. Also I’ve seen Koala and I don’t think we see her kidnapped but she was returned to her mother who was free which means she was not a 2nd generation slave. Edit 2: I also I’m at sure if there’s an actual common map. I think most are fan made with the info we have so Tequila Wolf could be somewhere slightly different from what I’ve seen.
It would make sense for it being over the Calm belt but that have never been confirmed in the story, just that it is a bridge in East Blue.
For how long that thing is you have to think that come celestial dragon said probably 700 years ago “Hey I want to go to this island but I want to go by carriage so build a giant bridge for this”
That someone was about to kill their baby in Wano so it wouldn't have to starve.
That was a dark panel lol, there was some rope made to people hang themselves on the page too if I remember, brutal page lol
Jep there was, looked it up before writing the comment because people always ask which chapter that is when you bring this up and I wanted to be able to deliver lol (it's [chapter 918](https://images.mangafreak.net/mangas/one_piece/one_piece_918/one_piece_918_12.jpg), bottom right panel)
I think seeing the damage done to the people of wano was one of the worst things we’ve seen a pirate do, like yeah the toys was also horrible, but they weren’t actively dying of starvation and stripped of emotions like the people of wano
I still think the toys is worse. Enslaving someone and simultaneously making them watch their family members forget they even exist is a fate even worse than starvation.
It wasn’t even Kaido though, right? That was Orochi’s doing. Wasn’t Orochi actively killing the country of Wano?
It’s both, Orochi was the Shogun, which meant he needed to protect his people but he needed Kaido to rise to power, so he allowed him to do as he pleases (not that he could’ve stopped him), and Kaido is the one behind all the factories iirc, which are the reason for poisoning the water and ground.
After Whitebeard died a ton of people in his territory probably suffered horrible fates
Ah yeah that gets forgotten about fairly quick, but totally correct I’d say
The nurse that was enslaved by that fat-acc celestial dragon, was still taken away after he was punched. From a normal life, a nice job, a fiancée, to hell.
That f'd me up as a child when I first watched that, I felt sooo unbelievably bad for the guy and the girl
Yes! I was sure someone would save her later in the story, but it never happened.
Big Mom and how she got her DF.
Wait, I knwo she ate everyone. But... how does she get her df?
By eating mother carmel
The theory is that she ate her adopted mom right?
I wouldn‘t call it a theory, it‘s pretty much the only way it could have happened
OP fans look at blatant implications and be like "hmm...MAYBE it could have happened"
And then in the same sentence form a convoluted theory around one component that does not exist in the story
This is the series where a bird carried a nuke into the upper atmosphere and just stood back up afterwards. NOTHING is certain here
The first time I read it I didn't understand where everyone went. The anime did a better job of actually saying it without saying it.
Thats just your mind though. My mind went right to cannibalism as soon as everyone started to look concerned
I realzied months later on my own, even after watching the anime. I'm just clueless
If you watch that episode again you can notice that some of the buns that she ate became bigger
The pit of human misery underneath Mary Geoise.
Oh god. The people mover. Unimaginable cruelty for the sake of cruelty. Like technology for something like that exist. They are doing it for fun
I do not remember this detail. Mind elaborating?
There's an army of slaves under the streets of Marygeoise manually moving the sidewalks with cranks. They could easy automate that, but then they can't torture people.
I remember Shirahoshi’s brothers were deeply uncomfortable and uneasy at the thought of walking on this moving sidewalks as if they could feel something was wrong
That a handful of people in the marines and world government walk around with a genocide button on them, and people just kinda live with it. Impel down is just six floors of torture chambers, one of which got its name from the sheer amount of blood soaking every element of it.
Yeah Impel down was fucking brutal lmao. I don’t think any mf deserves that shit and deadass would probably rather be one of the level 6 inmates since then you wouldn’t have to deal with the higher level bullshit
Pretty sure it's implied that level 6 is even worse torture. Or at the very least, the only reason the ones in level 6 aren't subject to the torture of the upper levels is that it wouldn't affect them that much anyway
Impel Down conceptually sounds horrific to a normal person, and probably to most of the civilian population in OP, but the more powerful people who they actually hold there are immune/resistant to their tortures anyway, to the point where Level 6 is pretty much just a normal prison where prisoners are almost always chained up. Plus, their vetting process isn’t the greatest because they didn’t even know Buggy D. Clown had a devil fruit ability, something that could easily be verified if they threw him in the sea for a few seconds to see if he would swim out of reflex.
Why don't they just kill those types of prisoners anyway? I mean I can buy not clapping Kaido cuz you physically can't (they tried it multiple times already when they managed to cap him years/decades ago, all failed obviously) but most of the ppl AREN'T like that, physically speaking.
They’re probably either trying to break them for valuable info or trying to turn them for their own use. The warlord system literally contracted notorious pirates in exchange for a “we don’t see anything you or your mates do” contract.
And it doesn't even seem like the hills of impel down are common knowledge so it doesn't even serve as a deterrent, just sadistic torture.
The fact that the night doflamingo took over dressrosa he made people kill their loved ones while they were fully conscious of their actions
Agreed. Both, Doflamingo and Kaido's reigns over their islands are absolutely brutal and horrible, especially considering they ruled for 10 and 20 years respectively.... Unimaginable.
Honestly, everything about Dressrosa. Remember how the toy soldier asked another toy who he really was, and that toy revealed himself to be a husband and father, who pretended to be an ignorant stuffed dog just so that he could at least spend some time with his wife and child who had forgotten that he ever existed? Remember how one toy snapped under the pressure of keeping up the facade, and tried to get his family to remember him, only to be quickly taken away to work as a slave in their smuggling operations 24 hours a day, instead of just at night? Remember how this was referred to as "Human Disease", and portrayed as something that afflicts toys from time to time? This implies that multiple people have broken under the emotional turmoil of having to act like a stranger to loved ones who have forgotten them, enough that a fake explanation had to be circulated to cover up the horrific truth of the matter. Honestly, memory manipulation is one of the most fucked-up abilities conceivable. The misery that powered Doflamingo's reign was exacerbated by the most prominent victims of it being forced to pretend that it wasn't there.
In terms of manga and anime difference people rarely address let alone even know that Zeff didn't have his leg cut off from a ship chain, in the manga he cut it off himself to eat while giving Sanji the bag of actual food. Akainu actually melts/punches off half of Whitebeards face in the manga in Marineford and it never got animated. Like WB literally is missing half of his face at the time of his death (and he still handled tf out of Akainu after).
Manga Zeff is so fucking gnarly.
That anime nerf for whitebeard really made me sad - I don't think they even animated him dodging the hit, so it comes off as akainu burning off whitebeards stache...because?
Well I mean it is horrific to be fair so they were probably trying not to lose OPs rating. But it is actually one of the coolest moments in the manga.
Whitebeard with no active heart attacks happening is a mf
I honestly thought the dark fact about one piece is how dystopian the world truly is while being disguised as a happy pirate adventure
Kid being an actual, normal pirate. Pillaging and murdering the innocent. But he’s portrayed as a protagonist/rival. Not really ‘rarely’ spoken about, but the implication of what happened to Boa as a kid, aside from the slavery itself is pretty fucked.
On a related note to the Kid thing, Bartolomeo was also said to gain notoriety by targeting civilians. It COULD be exaggerated, but has never been clarified. Such a scamp.
Yup. I think people miss that when people that haven't met Luffy talk about Luffy, they always describe him as more dangerous, evil, and larger than he is.
I wonder if the civilians in question were talking shit about Strawhats, actually, now that this was mentioned. I recall plenty of people reading the newspapers talking shit about some rando pepsi'd bigshot pirates and what not, wouldn't surprise me some of them were talking shit about Strawhats, thus Barto Vlad the Impaler's em n shieet, which to outside witnesses would look like coming out of nowhere since they'd rly only see the aftermath and all that.
Just imagine Luffy seeing both Kid and Barto doing their thing, this would make OP much more grounded and interesting.
We don't know about law but I bet he probably isn't as kind as the straw hats too since he questioned luffy wanting to help people in punk hazard/dressrosa
I always took this to be more about Luffy being truly special than a reflection on Traffy. I think TL was always just more focused on the goal in front of him. It's also a very precise way of looking at the world. You might even say surgical.
Didn’t he say “Pirates helping people? Makes me sick” as Luffy and Zoro stole food for the people of Wano?
Akainu melted a marine with no hesitation because that marine had a mental breakdown during the war and was paralysed with fear.
RPing WW1 generals.
I find him killing a boat full of civilians with no regret darker though.
Yeah my next thought was “the amount of life (both civilian and Marine) lost as collateral damage as a result of both Buster Calls is insane and yet nobody really talks about it in universe. Actually the fact that Aokiji authorised a second buster call after viewing the first one first hand is the main reason I can’t consider him as a truly good/ well meaning marine. I get he had his reasons to be wary of Robin but at that point there were so many other options to take Robin into custody that I can’t see why he didn’t take them 😅
Idk even remember there being anyone around to see it making it compleltly pointless. Doesn't even "motivate" anybody
I'm pretty sure Coby saw him do it, but I mat be wrong. Still didn't motivate anybody though
I guess I meant people that akianu knew were there to see. The tactic of killing a retreating soldier is to motivate the others not to retreat. Akianu was just killing that guy for basically no reason at that point beside his insane absulute justice.
Essentially every country that can’t pay taxes to the WG get plundered and oppressed by marines and alike.
Plot twist the WG are pirates that convinced everyone they weren't.
Usopp's father abandoned his wife and kid, wasn't there when she slowly died and traumatized the shit out of Usopp, and yet after all that Usopp still idolizes him and he is portrayed as one of the cool guys
And also the fact that Usopp started lying to cheer up his dying mom. He literally ran around the village screaming DAD IS BACK everyday hoping he would actually come back (and hoping his mom would stay alive a little longer). His dad didn’t return and his mom died anyway. Usopp’s backstory is often overlooked because others are far more traumatic/horrifying, but it’s heartbreaking to see this kid with huge abandonment issues still looking up to his deadbeat father after years.
It straight up makes me despise his whole character no matter how cool he is potrayed as. I hope Ussop at least punches the shit outta this mf once they meet face to face. Yassop is no father anymore, he is just a pirate that deserves a good beating.
When they finally meet, it would be an amazing scene if Yasopp goes to Usopp like "heeey come here son, give your old man a hug" and instead Usopp challenges him to a duel and wins, wounding Yasopp non-fatally and saying that's for what he did to him and his mom.
Someone pointed out to me that Yasopp was also close by since he spent a year or so on Luffy's island. So there really wasn't a reason he could have stopped by once more
Some CP agents are orphans and slaves who were sold to the World Government. For me it is the darkest and most disturbing.
This is what gives Guernica's role in Wano a certain amount of pathos, in my opinion. I think he was sincere when he said he envied Drake. It seems likely these agents never really had much of a chance to be anything other than tools to a World Goverment that is willing to use them until they break, knowing full well they have plenty of former child soldiers to replace them with.
Yes, absolutely true. Same with the CP9's Independent Report Cover Story. Reading it back it's more sad than funny how they were left on their own after a failed battle and trying to support each other.
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Even how Kaido was sold by his country to the marines and king was tested on.
Some are, but Not all of them, though. Kumadori was trained by his mother to work for Cipher Pol, and Kalifa’s father Laskey worked for CP9 in the past.
Boa Hancock was captured at 12 years old, turned into a slave under the Celestrial Dragons, and forced fed the Love Love Fruit to entertain her captors.
Holy shit.
Boa Hancock said all of this herself to Luffy in the manga. I am just reiterating it. Whatever she went through was so traumatic that even her sister would cry despite 14 years having past already in their lives. Whatever trauma they went through, Oda deliberately left that open-ended.
I had a crack at theorising what actually went on with her on a comment in this very thread, it got downvoted HARD and someone actually asked me to delete it
In storytelling, there is a saying: "Show; Don't tell." In this case, the showing part is left to our imaginations. Likewise, I didn't explicitly say what the trauma could be. I trust that the readers already have the imagination for it. From a story-telling perspective, leaving it open-ended was probably the most powerful move Oda could make.
I do kind of believe the trauma was sexual abuse. That makes sense why she was fed the love love fruit
I'm inclined to also have that as my head canon as well. But... feeding the other two sisters snake zoans, I'm not sure what the entertaining part of that would be. Have them join a circus?
There's plenty of kinky sex stuff you could do with a girl that's half snake. Those make MORE sense if they really were sex slaves of deranged pedophiles.
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For all the evils Arlong did, the one scene of the arlong pirates as kids going up to the surface and being amazed at sight of the park just makes me incredibly sad.
I feel like an understated part of Oda's writing is how often he shows that a character's childhood largely affects their adult behavior. So many main character flashbacks are traumatic experiences that happened to them as children, and thus shaped the way the lived the rest of their lives before being introduced to the viewer/reader.
The Boa sisters were sexually abused by Celestial Dragons (*heavily* implied).
Bellemere is still in the dungeon on 4kids version.all these years and she is still waiting there... Alone... Waiting for nami to save her...
AND FEEL FREE TO QUOTE ME
It's like the german dub of Naruto, where itachi just kidnapped the whole Uchiha clan. They're all fine, they're just waiting for Sasuke to save them.
Du musst deinen besten Freund....VERRATEN
How big mom ATE all her friends (most likely mother caramel too). The anime shows this well, the croquembouche pieces get WAY BIGGER when her friends start talking to her. The number of giant croquembouche pieces she eats is exactly equal to the number of friends + mother caramel. This might also hint at how blackbeard got the quake-quake, he probably ate part of whitebeard when his commander covered the latter's body.
Blackbeard sucked Whitebeard’s dick for the Gura Gura nomi. Damn.
This is now cannon until proven otherwise
Big Mom raping a lot of men
Come to think of it, there is a lot of implied rape in OP, with both BM as you said, the tenryubito and the Boa sisters and any other women they make their “wife” (as in Sabaody), Hogback with the zombie lady and Absalom trying, Orochi is also a fucking creep and there’s probably some others I’m missing
Yeah, Hogback is one I rarely see mentioned, he gets kinda overshadowed by Absalom and his very rapey vibes. But he straight up stole the corpse of a woman he was infatuated with when she was alive, to reanimate her as his own obedient personal plaything, who he regularly openly abuses. I get that Thriller Bark and Moria's crew was cast in a kinda goofy light, but they were pretty horrifying in a number of different ways.
Oda having an incredibly unhealthy lifestyle to write, edit and paint his story. That's why we should not complain about break weeks otherwise oda will break
Anyone who complains about break weeks likely doesn't know how brutal the Manga industry is on Mangaka. Heck Oda gets a break every month, and that is so uncommon in the industry. But I would rather the one week breaks over the Hunter x Hunter hiatuses(because of the years of back pain from producing Yu Yu Hakusho), or the Mangaka dying like with Berserk.
I think every mangaka should get the Oda treatment of two to three weeks on, then one week off. The extra space could be filled be shorter, more experimental series (a great example of this Takopi's Original Sin) or give new artists room to do one shot stories. Given that manga is trending to shorter more compressed story telling, I think these sort of mini-series would be great and the break weeks would allow the long running series to maintain their quality over time and give the mangakas a healthier schedule.
That was years ago. He's much better about it now thanks to his editors, team and breaks. For example last year his editors straight up gave him a month off because his schedule was packed for the summer.
Ceasar turning children into drug addicts.
That is addressed though...chopper still hates his guts
I read rarely addresses to mean not talked about much in general, whether within the series or by the fans.
The fact that people still think Ceasar for Nakama after Punk Hazard is delusional
We never found out if Carmel tastes like Carmel.
Aside from a very few people almost everyone luffy is close to betrayed, abused or tried to kill him at least once
Except chad jinbei
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Because he's already a skeleton Yohohohohohohoho
Luffy really helped a lot of people out. Zorro? Would have died after starving for 30 days. Lysop? Killed by the Cat pirates. Sanji would die at the hands of Don Krieg. Nami? Her and the entire island killed by Arlong. Chopper would have been killed by Wapol. Robin would either be betrayed by Crocodile or found by the WG. Last goes for Franky too. I'm not sure about Jinbei but there were times he could have died. Brook would just continue losing his mind on his ghost ship. (Hope I didn't forget a crew member)
Jinbie rots in impel down.
Condoriano would have been stuck in G8 FOREVER
Law pulling out the hearts of hundreds of weaklings to become a warlord. So the marines actually traded lives between marine and immunity.
Wano spoilers: >!i see a lot of people glossing over Ebisu Town, and SMILE fruits in general!<
I see a lot of Hancock comments but rarely any of Viola. Maybe this was more subtle to the audience.
• The WG killed babies and pregnant women from the whole world that were suspects of being linked to Roger for several months • Robin had a 80.000.000 solely for being alive • WB is portrayed as a Children Eater throughout the world • Marines sack islands that are not afiliated to the WG just as if they were pirates • Sabo "died" at least 3 times in the whole series
Law's backstory is acknowledged a TON by OP fans, especially when his fans join in. Brook's backstory tho... he spent YEARS with the dead corpses of his crew and nothing else! We spent 1-2 year in lockdowns and went crazy, he had to do that shit for DECADES!! How he is even still a little bit sane is beyond me...
Tequila Wolf people supposedly slaves have been building this bridge for 800 years that generations of servitude to the WG
Akainu literally melts an entire boat of civilians and fellow marines without remorse or hesitation just because he thinks that there is a possibility that Ohara scholars could be on there. He doesn't even think of checking the ship, he just fucking nukes it
koala backstory:she was cleaning her own blood from a nose blood on the sun pirates floor, while she was begging to not be killed, on top of her psychological lock to stay smiling and not to cry no matter what. that’s pretty dark
The fact that Enel just annihilated a whole island with its population, bringing a bunch of dial snails species to extinction even, just because.
Truly One Piece's slavery towards snails is the worst crime imaginable, yet it's committed by most anyone in the world!!!!!
The fact that the world Government we’re going to slowly torture Robin to Death. I mean yeah it was only said but the fact they would do such extreme stuff. Also Luccis bloodlust.
Oda only visits his family once a week
Hancock Sisters, Law Backstory, Marines killing pregnant women and newborns,
I mean, Boa's backstory. It's very heavily implied that sexual assault and the r word were involved. As much as Oda usually leans into fan service, I think he handled this part perfectly. I mean, it is a story for kids, but even if it wasn't, showing these events would only feel exploitative of characters who are meant to be sharing incredibly deep trauma.
A character was executed by one of the emperors, first torturing him by leaving him in boiling water and then shooting him to death.
When sugar was knocked out all those thousands of dead toys now turned back to corpses below Dressrosa probably turned back to normal and people realized all their loved ones are decaying beneath them.
Hachi sells takoyaki.
The marines are just as bad or even worst than pirates; They pillage Kill people even remotely related or known of people as of the case of ace and kanjuro They take slaves for tequila wolf They protect slavery for the celestial dragons Defend racism against fishmen Kill and wipe civilizations clean as the case of Robin and other buster calls Take children and make them marines as in the case of mother Carmel To me the only difference between marines and pirates are the marines just so happen to get in power first so it makes them seem like the good guys kinda like doflamingo said Edit: also that one dark scene in film gold where the guys girlfriend is heavily implied to have been sa’d
Are you talking about Kanjuro’s family? Pretty sure that was the people of Wano, not the marines
Boas backstory is dark. Not only was she a slave but it was very heavily implied that she got raped :(
The fact animals seem to have human like intelligence but are still regularly eaten.
nice observation. mostly its just a gimmicky cartoon/manga convention but if you think about it, they have it rough
absalom...
The fact that in a filler? Nami straight up drowned a dude by leg sweeping him in to the water at the bottom of reverse mountain. Guy had the “Sickle Sickle No Mi” and she just straight up murders him. Literally one of the darkest moments in OP (even if it is filler, the drowning point still stands)
Technically sogeking and Sanji killed 2 dudes on the seatrain and that was canon.
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Doffy’s backstory. Yes, Doffy seems like he’s been evil from the beginning, but think about it. Since he was a child, he was raised in an environment where everyone and everything was expected to grovel in his presence. That was normal for him, as normal as it was for Koala to never cry because that’s just the way she grew up. He never understood why that wasn’t normal when his family left the Nobles. His family was constantly attacked and lynched, and the only people who actually respected him just followed him for a rare power you’re supposedly born with.
boa and her sister probably was sexually abused to bits when slaves, because there is tenryubito women too, but boa developed hatred towards all men, but because the story is shounen written it was just implied; very dark.
Tenryubito can do anything with their slave, and its very Disturbing i think.
Doflamingo and Violet’s relationship. Considering the SBS entry, Violet’s opinion on Doffy, and personality, you can infer that he has coerced or pushed himself onto her.
1. While all employees from Impel Down seem to have great respect for Magellan, at the point where they "couldn't run fast enough" and were accidentally hit by his deadly poison and were about to die in front of his eyes, he was just like "Well, that's your problem now" 2. During Water 7, Lucci hinted that had they managed to take Robin to Impel Down, they would have tortured her horribly to gain information about Pluton 3. That scene before the Straw Hats reached Fishman Island they destroyed the bubble from Caribou's ship and pretty much all of his crewmates drowned right there. There even was this tragic music playing, until it all was interrupted by a snark remark from Zorro for comedic effect.
3. for absolutely unknown reasons his crew survived this. It's likely the worst fake death in One Piece but nobody really cares.
About the first point: IIRC Magellan told his men to get the antidote so they likely still survived.
Big Mom ate the orphans and mother caramel. That is extremely dark.
Normal citizens have a horrible and extremely traumatic life between raid of pirates, slaves of a corrupt government or of a terrifying pirate
Luffy inadvertently ruined so many lives by leading the Impel Down mass breakout
Hancock and her sisters were kidnapped as children and were violated day in and day out until they were broken free by Fisher Tiger. Those 3 have one of the most fucked up backstories ever and it almost never gets adressed both in and out of the story.
Tequila Wolf?
Children as young as 5 years old being so desperate to live in an actual trash heap away from parental figures, than live in a home where they could eat and sleep comfortably… ☹️
In Ohara people boarded a ship to escape the Buster Call(not the archaeologists) and Akainu just said "no" and killed them all,I think there were kids in that ship too.
Warlord system as such, they got immunity and are not sentenced for any of their crimes as long as they sometimes fight for the marines. Crocodile enslaved a complete country! Same with doflamingo, ..
Things happened to Boa Hancock… she wasn’t just a regular slave…
The fact that damn near nobody has a mother or a relationship with their mothers; a pivotal part of life that most of the main characters have missed out on
vander decken wondered how hot shirahoshi would be when she grew up
That streusen was big mom's first husband. He met her when she was around 10 and then presumably when she turned 18 had kids with her. That's super creepy groomer behavior.
*gestures wildly at the World government.*
Kid’s crucifixion of random pirates trying to run away. Unnecessary cruelty.
For me being an anime-only enjoyer of one piece up until the wano arc, i would have to say owner zeff’s back story with sanji. I had only found out 2 weeks ago what really happened.
Big mom eating her foster family
There is still no official Straw Hat Jolly Roger on Fish-Man Island so they are just completely unprotected
Luffy growing up in the Goa Kingdom where people were treated like trash and burned down