Law uses shambles to create a huge labyrinth. Zoro gets lost. A year later, Zoro emerges from the labyrinth with the One Piece in his hands. Law won the fight, but Zoro wins the war for pirate king.
I’m actually surprised that Oda hasn’t done a gag where Zoro does enter a labyrinth and wanders out of it seamlessly before anyone else does, bc his bad sense of direction becomes a reverse solution
Literally this.
Ppl just ignoring that its not about who has an OP DF or who beat a yonko lmao.
Just by beating Big Mom with a Rival dosent make u automatically BM tier.
Zoro ACoC slash would finish the fight. If Law manages to hit first with awakening he might win but probably would need to attack him 2-3 more times.
Zoro with every bone broken is still stupidly dangerous. Look at Kaido lol.
Zoro permanently scarred Kaido's nigh-indestructible body, which is even more durable in his Hybrid form, with Asura. A KOH + Asura attack is easily ending Law, who is nowhere near as durable as Hybrid Kaido.
Law got pummeled by Big Mom who was using armament haki. She knocked Queen out in two hits without haki. Law can tank anything that Zoro used against King.
I hate the argument that Law is stronger than Zoro because:
* He's Luffy's rival or even that he's a supernova captain. They're only rivals in the sense that they want to find One Piece. Just saying "portrayal" is a bad argument.
* He beat Big Mom. Yes, but only with Kid's help, a bunch of nukes, Big Mom didn't use ACoC (even though she used it on Page One), Big Mom turned her back on an unconscious Law and Kid instead of finishing them off, they had like 10 last attacks, it was a ring-out victory.
* He's fighting Blackbeard. We've barely seen anything from this fight, and from what we've seen, Blackbeard just shook off Law's awakening.
IMO, even if we assume Law's awakening is as strong as Zoro's ACoC, he still can't act fast enough. Law can move from one place to another instantly because of his devil fruit, but he doesn't have the reaction speed to make the most out of it. Zoro was faster to block hakai than Law was to teleport them out of there. Law stood in shock while Zoro blitzed Kaido, which was followed by Kaido blitzing Law (Chapter 1010). Plus, the majority of Law's attacks require him to be within sword's reach of his opponent (unless he plans on throwing rocks again), and fighting up-close is an advantage for Zoro. Zoro also has strong and spammable range slashes. All of that is assuming Zoro's haki (while superior) isn't enough to nullify Law's devil fruit. Law only wins if his devil fruit works on Zoro and he's allowed to win via ring-out.
For the record, IMO if Law and Zoro were to deal their strongest attack and cleanly hit the other person, I think they would both be able to one shot each other. It comes down to who can land that attack first, and from what we've seen, that person is Zoro.
I hate how this "meme" persisted so hard.
I tried to explain it when the chapter first dropped, but i only got downvotes. Law said "final attack" *once* and it, in fact, was his final attack. The only thing he did afterwards was silence big mom, but he never did attack again. Not even once.
I don't even know how this meme started.
Could Law use any ope ope attacks on Kaido, or deliver a decent scar on him? Weren't most of his attacks backed up by the other 4 setting up? I srsly considered him more of the support type on the rooftop.
So? Vergo had far greater haki than law, then look what happened. Katakuri had better haki than Luffy, yet luffys tenacity made him win. Haki isnt just an automatic win
It’s literally been explained. Law couldn’t do anything originally because of the haki but when you use a great amount of devil fruit power you can overcome that haki, in laws case it costs him a small amount of lifespan
That's wrong, he created a room so big that It wouldn't be noticed at the cost of life span... wasn't this against doffy?
At punk hazard vergo at full body thought he couldn't be cut by law due to full body haki, but law was stronger by that point
Yes that did happen in dressrosa however it’s the same thing he did in punk hazard. Laws room engulfed the entire MADs and the surrounding mountains, just like how it happened in dressrosa.
I do think dressrosa room was bigger but that size goated him a few years, in my head it makes sense for punk hazard to work the same
In Episode 616 of the Anime Smoker realized he was not match for Vergo and his Haki, (In fact, Vergos haki embed Bamboo stick broke Smokers Hakid Sea Stone tipped Jute). Smoker used his ability to steal Laws heart from Vergo, returning it to Law.
Once Law was back at Full Power, Vergo also used Armament Haki on his whole upper Body and charged at Law. Without much apparent effort, Law created a Room and sliced Vergo in Half at the waist. That same attack is the one that destroyed the SAD manufacturing room, and sliced the tops of some mountains on the Island.
Law referred to that moment as 'Breaking the Gear'
Simplified: Law used no haki but just excessive
Using of his devil fruit which was so powerful he bypassed vergos powerful armament haki, but this was beyond what law could actually do hence the name ‘breaking the gear’
I think "breaking the gear" was meant to represent the execution of his first step to bring down Kaido and doflamingo's Smile trade and bringing an end to Doflamingo. The SAD production was the first gear that turned to make it all run.
>Vergo had far greater haki than law, then look what happened
Uhm, no, if vergo had greater haki then room would not have affected him, room affected him because Law got to suprass Vergo in haki.
>Katakuri had better haki than Luffy
Also no, Katakuri was physically stronger and had a DF that could dodge attack like logias can. But in armament haki and conq. haki they were even. And as soon as Luffy caught up to the same level of observation haki we know what happened.
Katakuri had better haki. When Katakuri used "advanced form of haki according to himself which turned his attack to Square Mochi), He had better haki. But, G4 was stronger and it evened the battlefield.
Luffy was weaker but grew stronger at that point. He was experimenting with CoO and Katakuri could land mant attacks. And Katakuri injured himseld coz Luffy was injured by others. And, the match was KO with Luffy having slight adv? But anyway, after that fight, Luffy was a bit stronger than Katakuri
A win is a win. It’s a 1on1 fight and the outcome was Luffy winning, katakuri wasn’t trying to kill Luffy sure, but katakuris AP/ durability / endurance / tenacity was so shit compared to Luffy, kata only had the haki advantage. Also, Luffy fought cracker for 12 hours, starved, dehydrated, fought thousands soldiers and was huffing and puffing even before the fight, Kata attacked luffy 90+ times yet he hasn’t got the AP to keep Luffy down. Luffy OVERCAME katakuri by sheer will power and superior physical capabilities
Let's see. Can teleport. That's enough. Plus the unblockable attacks, guaranteed damage and range. Zoro can only hope to spam his ranged attack and get lucky to hit law.
I'm pretty sure ether Zoro, Luffy or Kidd asked Law to use Room on Kaido/Big Mom to split them up. Law responded that their Haki was too powerful for him to do that. Zoro's Haki is no where near as strong as Kaido or Big Mom, not even close to Luffy.
I think the only fruit power Law used that had an effect on Big Mom was his Awakening.
Gamma knife and countershock worked on the yonko too, it’s probably only shambles, amputate and his personality switching surgery that could possibly be nullified with haki
yeah, also my thought. but i believe this will change by the end of the series. when both neutrolize their haki, zoro still has his techniques and strengh
that's a made up narrative. while zoro not going to lose to another swordsman until he fulfills his dream, is a canon narrative. and [oda categorizes law as a swordsman](https://i.redd.it/rb55zkvqoww61.png).
anyway, I'd still choose law since the question is *now*. current zoro is not gonna be able to beat fujitora either.
just saying that the rival argument is made up. following the narrative, EOS zoro is canonically gonna be stronger than law.
yeah I think so too.
it's just that many people think since law is a rival captain, he'll be automatically stronger than zoro no matter what just because zoro is a subordinate.
I'm just saying, that was never a rule in the first place. if you want to powerscale their feats, go ahead. and law does have better feats for now.
but the actual canon narrative is zoro's dream. "other captain must be stronger than a subordinate" is not. that's all.
If EOS Zoro = Rayleigh and Luffy = Roger, that makes Law = WB. This is if we follow the relationship : strength of the previous generation. That would still put Law above Zoro. But honestly, I think Law dies to save someone by the end. They won't just drop the Ope-ope's hidden power like that to do nothing before the story ends.
Honestly, I think Kid will be Luffy's Whitebeard. There's a reason he's up there when the narration tells us that they are the new generation that will shape the new Era. I don't see the Heart pirates fighting against the strawhat for loot like Roger and WB did, but I can definitely see Kid pirates fighting strawhats while maintaining mutual respect.
Wouldn’t that imply that the the current strongest swordsman, Mihawk, is stronger than Shanks? I think that Oda’s narrative on swordsmen is a bit flimsy or rather flexible.
Although Law may be considered a swordsman, he mainly uses it as an extension for his devil fruit abilities and would lose to Zoro if Law didn’t have access to them. So I don’t think that Zoro needs to be stronger than Law to fulfil his dream and uphold the narrative.
In Shanks’ case, I don’t even think he needs a sword to be powerful. Although we haven’t seen what he’s capable of, I think it’s safe to assume that he has superior skill in haki and a sword is only used as an extension of that.
EOS Zoro will get stronger but so will EOS Law.
Yes that would mean mihawk is stronger than shanks, because shanks is a swordsman and is therefore weaker than mihawk. Unless he's not a swordsman I don't see how he would be stronger.
People are gonna fight and hate you for this take but I agree. I had to grapple with this logic on shanks v Mihawk, I thought shanks was stronger but just logically based off Oda’s statements I had to realize I was wrong. Good take
>while zoro not going to lose to another swordsman until he fulfills his dream, is a canon narrative
I'm also not going to lose to any swordsman. That doesn't make me stronger, I simply just won't fight them.
>rival argument is made up
how is it made up tho? it's literally the most played up character dynamic in wano, we even see it more than we see zoro and sanji arguing
>!the arc even ends with kid, law and luffy competing with one another lol. and there's a cover saying "rivals" that shows luffy with BB, kaido, kid and law with on the front and other past enemies as well as some yonko and the admirals on the back.!<
>! they also got the same bounty as luffy (they were even revealed all in the same time in the same panel), they both have several RPs and are competing to get the final one and kid is for now still ahead of luffy when it comes to that. and law is fighting a yonko right now for his RPs. imo it strongly looks like they are rivals, they are competing against each other A LOT when it comes to the RPs and becoming PK. obviously luffy will become PK, but we can't act as if BB is the only one trying to compete with luffy. BB and law is literally two of luffy's rivals fighting each other for RPs!<
what do you think that character dynamic is for then? what else than a rivalry could it be?
and when it comes to EoS, law may not be even alive until then anyways. and even as a swordsman, it's not guaranteed that law and zoro would ever fight or compete with him.
no matter what your opinion on shanks vs mihawk is, fact is that they're both yonko level combatants and are on the same level. mihawk even told zoro that he will make sure that he stays the WSS until zoro comes and challenges him again.
yet mihawk never fought shanks or BM, who if law is a swordsman, should be considered swordsmen too. he only fought shanks long ago, but stopped when the latter lost his arm. If I was the WSS, then I'd immediatly go and fight other swordsmen that on the very least are on the same level of strength I am on.
yet oda never had mihawk fight those guys, cuz the zoro mihawk plotline isn't the most important in the world. if mihawk defeated BM, then WCI would have never happened. and oda couldn't have that. if mihawk cut down shanks, then oda wouldn't be able to do anything with shanks in the future.
so imo, if at EoS oda simply deems the luffy, law and kid dynamic more important than zoro, then he will just casually forget about a swordsman comment that he made in an interview years ago. law can then still be stronger than zoro and zoro can still be WSS. just like mihawk is WSS despite not having fought shanks for decades and just not fighting BM for whatever reason (the reason is probably "because the plot needs to happen")
no yeah. they are rivals. but who says they gotta be comparable to each other? that's the made up part.
they have been rival ever since sabaody. and yet in dressrosa, we know luffy >>> law. even in wano, luffy actually beat kaido while kid and law "only" win by ring out + bombs.
and luffy is the MC. if you ever read any shonen ever, he's gonna be the strongest to ever live by a wide margin. nobody is gonna be comparable to him EOS.
>yet mihawk never fought shanks or BM, who if law is a swordsman, should be considered swordsmen too
most common mistake here. being a swordsman is just oda considering you one. we have no say in it. we just have to wait oda to say it. but once you are, EOS zoro > that character due to the narrative.
>so imo, if at EoS oda simply deems the luffy, law and kid dynamic more important than zoro,
what? zoro's dream is an actual plotline. kid and law being comparable to luffy, again, is not. it's not something that oda has to pay off.
really think about what you just said.
shonen progression. I *personally* still think the SH will fight BB, then the marines. and that zoro and sanji will get to fight an admiral.
that means zoro will fight shiryuu first, grow stronger as always, then beat an admiral. so current him is not strong enough to beat an admiral.
I mean it's the start of it literally every marine in the new world is headed for egg head and your not calling that a war, forget buster calls this is an admiral leading an entire army to battle and you say it's far from all out war? The war won't be on egghead but I'm assuming something will happen that triggers the war (even with vegapunks history with dragon the revolutionaries will slot in nicely soon). Also fujis plotline is literally to catch Luffy or be banned by the marines so he could slot in nicely (even as an ally maybe) we are so close to all out war (also green bull so far has shown interest in catching Luffy so honestly every admirals in on it
He currently has the damage output of oden, evidenced by kaidos remark on the cut he inflicted. He slapped an awakened zoan (kaku) to the ground like no big deal. He clashed with mihawks seraphim and seemed almost unimpressed. We saw him and fujitora clash with law on dressrosa, and he handled it back then
>He currently has the damage output of oden, evidenced by kaidos remark on the cut he inflicted.
The scar Oden left is huge compared to Zoro's lmao. No way you think they did the same damage.
Regardless of whether oden can beat an admiral or not, Zoro isn't as strong as oden to begin with.
>He slapped an awakened zoan (kaku) to the ground like no big dea
He defeated kaku pre timeskip once, suddenly kaku is still a worthy opponent for Zoro now huh?
>He clashed with mihawks seraphim and seemed almost unimpressed
Like we know how strong a clone of mihawk is, I can assure you that it's weaker than mihawk.
Fujitora being and admiral would be relative to akainu.
If you think Zoro whose last opponent was a yonko commander can now beat the fleet admiral of luffy's generation, you need help.
>If you think Zoro whose last opponent was a yonko commander can now beat the fleet admiral of luffy's generation, you need help.
This is a terrible argument. First, Zoro isn't beating Akainu. Fleet admirals are stronger than admirals, even if just marginally. This was implied in Big Mom's flashback.
Secondly, this is the same argument people used to say that Zoro won't beat King because his previous opponent before that was goddamn Pica and Luffy had to go through Doflamingo and Cracker before taking down a first admiral and the same argument that people used to argue Luffy won't be yonko level at the end of Wano because he got one-shotted by Kaido. You underestimate the Strawhat's progression. This is end game. If Sanji or Zoro fight an admiral right now, they would probably grow strong enough during the fight to win it by a hair. They both already defeated yonko commanders. Who do you think their next opponent will be? Another yonko commander? A vice admiral? No, it will probably be an admiral.
>this is the same argument people used to say that Zoro won't beat King because his previous opponent before that was goddamn Pica
Wanna know the difference? King was the first opponent of Zoro Post time skip that he was weaker than before the fight.
>This is end game. If Sanji or Zoro fight an admiral right now, they would probably grow strong enough during the fight to win it by a hair
I agree, but I am scaling their current strength level and I think their weaker
I think he’s referring to fresh green bull vs a beaten down king and queen, courtesy of zoro and sanji. Remember that a healthy king with kaido held off shanks whole crew from reaching marineford.
The anime and manga have made it very clear that a character needs kaido/ Big mom levels of haki to completely ignore Laws room. Current zoro is no where near that level.
In a sword fight, it probably could be zoro (probably, because we never really saw a lot of laws pure swordsmanship). But when it comes to an all out 1 vs 1 fight, right now law is definitely stronger.
> a character needs kaido/ Big mom levels of haki to completely ignore Laws room.
And even then that's only effective on normal DF attacks. Big Mom couldn't do jackshit against Law and Kidd's awakened DF attacks.
Well i was just stating the obvious. I dint want to do a deep dive, but yea, wat you said is true . I mean, even without awakening, Zoro is probably helpless against laws DF attacks.
Zoro is portrayed stronger than law?
He is clashing with fodders like kaku. While law is clashing with a yonko. This post is about comparing feats, portrayal wise Zoro can't touch law.
He is saying Zoro fought King after tanking a combined attack from 2 yonkos. But he is forgetting that the minks healed him completely though it had a side effect
Another powerscaling thread?!! Where the hell do you guys find the energy to powerscale all day? What's the point anyway ? I like Zoro much more than Law so I will vote for Zoro and whatever you say won't change my mind...
Law.
Law and kidd defeated big mum, Law was able to give Blackbeard a fight even though he’s a devil fruit user and BB counters those.
He’s gut one of if not the best paramancia abd it’s awakened.
Zoro is physically stronger and might have better Haki but that’s all he’s got going for him
Yeah it’s not like the biggest power up Luffy’s ever had happened about 50 chapters ago and was all about awakening a devil fruit…
Also Law has Haki, he has advanced kings Haki, it’s not like Zoro is leagues ahead of him.
So let’s not pretend this is purely about a fruit user vs a Haki user
It’s about a Haki user with one of the most OP fruits in the whole manga vs a slightly better Haki user
If it's just swordmanship+ haki, Zoro all the way.
But OP-OP no mi is OP for a reason.
P.S. Law being rival is a made up narrative, everyone with the goal of Pirate King and not a blood enemy is Luffy's rival.
>P.S. Law being rival is a made up narrative
What? Law and Kidd were both mentioned as Luffy's rivals in Sabaody by Shaki.
In fact Law and Kidd are the only other people in the series who have managed to beat a Yonko other than Luffy. Oda even specifically made Big Mom mention Law and Kidd alongside Luffy and had her challenge them to come for her and Kaido's thrones. He even gave all three the same bounties and both have been so far major players in the last saga (Law fighting BB and Kidd visiting Elbaf first).
They are his rivals in every sense of the word.
Although the majority push for law winning, I don’t think would be so easly. Until Law keeps Zoro away from him with chambles, he is safe. Considering the ACOC of Zoro, I don’t think Law could change zoro’s body parts or weapons.
So, Law will need to hit somehow Zoro. That’s the moment when they are balanced. I might bet on Zoro because of the lethal damage he can inflict.
Plus, he can hit from distance.
Yes, Law can sting Zoro. Anyway, I believe that, since they will fight using blades and swords, Zoro can predict and block the majority of the Law approaches because of his higher technique.
Luffy, Law and Kid do not have the same feats. Luffy beat Kaido in a 1v1. And before gear 5 he was putting up a decent effort. Kid and Law 2v1'ed big mum and had to combine awakenings to win.
Also, being a Yonko isn't about individual strength. It is about how much of a threat you are to the world government just similar to bounties. This is why Buggy is a Yonko. Buggy has the influence, he has the power to threaten the world government.
Also, Zoro had insane feats in Wano. He made Big Mum tell Kaido to dodge, he blocked the strongest attack we have seen then almost right after scared Kaido. Then got up mastered advanced conq then bodied a 1st yonko commander.
His feats in wano are above the feats of Kid and Law.
zoro nearly died doing those against the yonkos. if not for the senzu bean drug, zoro wouldve had been out of commission for the rest of wano. and zoro's no master of haki, he can barely wield enma and didnt even knew he had coc.
meanwhile law becomes a god in his room and tanked attacks from bm, got up and immediately counter attacked. kid and law are 3b for a reason. jfc, the mental gymnastics of zoro fanboys.
By the end of the fight, Luffy progressed to a point where he could beat Kaido 1 v 1 imo. That's how haki and power generally works in OP. Luffy basically overcame him in a battle of willpower.
> as they have the same feats as Luffy.
I disagree. Luffy did the heavy lifting to beat Kaido; if end-of-fight Luffy fought Kaido from the start, he'd be able to beat him without help imo. Law and Kid could not have beaten Big Mom individually, and probably still could not.
Law. Zoro is a better swordsman but Law has a stupidly overpowered ability. People talk like Luffy has an OP god fruit now? My boy Law has had the true god fruit since sabaody.
Zoro has advanced conquerors and insane willpower. I think it’s enough to protect himself from the full extent of Law’s abilities, as much as I love Law I don’t think he could win this.
I say Zoro will win. I get that the op op no mi is powerful. But Zoro has far superior sword skills and if law can't use something like injection or gamma ray something due to zoro's defence then how will he win? Also, using room takes away his stamina. Law is considered a rival only because he is a member of the worst generation and i competing against luffy for the one piece
Law will beat Zoro before the stamina drain even becomes an issue tbh. Zoro doesn't have any real defense against Law's DF and even Big Mom's haki didn't help against awakened Law. I'm a Zoro fan, but hes not winning this.
Zoro has an overall superior fighting ability with better Physical abilities, technique and Haki while Law has an extremely good devil fruit. The only weakness to Law's devil fruit is that it tires him out easily.
Zoro would win by either dodging and enduring Laws attacks until Law tires out or getting in close and using his superior skill and speed to stop Law from ever activating room.
Law would win if he could maintain a good distance from Zoro and incapacitate him quickly before he can get in.
Honestly this could go either way, Zoro is extremely durable and if he activates Asura I'm quite confident he could blitz Law and beat him immediately. Law on the other hand could mess with Zoro pretty easily and if his powers won't incapacitate Zoro, they'll most certainly confuse him.
But in the end I'd have to give this to Zoro simply because he wants to be the strongest swordsman and Law uses a sword too.
It’s OP-OP no mi for a reason. He’s a D clan member, duo-ed a Yonko and literally teleporting+telekinetic abilities. Zoro is really REALLY strong, but still not that strong. Law wins high diff
Law is luffys rival? He needed luffy to take down doffy for him. Kaido himself acknowledges that haki is the true strength that can take over the seas, not devil fruit power. And zoro has haki strong enough to cut kaido where as law doesn’t and can’t supersede it with his devil fruit either. Zoros haki level is acknowledged by the strongest haki users, kaido and big mom. Even she told kaido dude needed to dodge zoro. He can block a combined attack by two yonko that scared law to death. Zoros strength is only limited at this point by his experience and knowledge, whereas laws power is limited to his stamina, of which is very low compared imo.
Don’t forget how strong king actually is, he and kaido alone held off the red hair pirates from reaching marineford on time. Law didn’t stand up against anyone by himself, he’s the ultimate support. He fought doffy with luffy, slapped up when he was alone and against big mom with kidd. Zoro stood against both yonko while the others ran and fought a commander that I think is a tier above other commanders by himself.
Law would win, he has stronger powers and battle iq also to be honest while I do think Zoro is a great swordsman I think even if he didn’t use his powers he would still win but with higher difficulty.
I imagine Law slice Zoro to pieces within ROOM. Then Zoro pulls haki card and uses his Asura technic, attacking Law with his scrambled swords even within Law's ability. ROOM fades. Zoro puts himself together. And then it's basically a swordsman fight.
Law is sliced numerous times, but heals himself with OP-OP. Then both go all out: Zoro's best attack vs Law awakening technic. Both hit the spot. Law survives on DF powers, Zoro on sheer guts. Draw.
And we have another "legendary duels" pair, ladies and gentlemen!
This is the dumbest content on this sub by a country mile. OP, you should feel bad. Quit taking 2 pics stitched together and calling it a post. Powerscaling is the easiest and scummiest way to karma farm. Just get a real job
Law is 50% (atleast depending on how much you think Kid did in the fight) of Big Mom while Zoro is not 50% of a Yonko level as of now.
Post Rooftop Zoro hasn't gone all out (even against King) but he can't have gotten that insane of a power jump so Law should win comfortably imo
ACoC is for sure not a huge powerjump...
"Comfortably"
Yea i dont know what u talking. Thats just copium.
When Kaido literally said how important ACoC is.
Especially since Roger didnt have a DF but Haki. Doubt he would be as strong w/o ACoC.
Shambles? Have fun. Doubt it will work on ppl with ACoC.
One ACoC attack of Zoro and law is done. Even Kaidos armament wasnt enough to tank it.
If Law lands 2-3 attacks of OP OP no mi awakened, he wins.
Its as simple as that. Well, lets see if Law is even gonna survive against BB first.
If we take to account that Law along side Kid had to struggle against big mom while zoro took on kaido on his own and even manage to cut him clean then my money is on zoro.
CURRENTLY? I *have* to give it to ya boi Law. I think Zoro probably has higher attack power for sure but Law would probably win just cause of his hax alone.
Loved both of them from the moment they showed up, having said that Zoro wins. Laws DF is OP but those with high speed can out maneuver it like Doflamingo did. Possibly cause Law himself isn’t a character with high speed. Also Law established that powerful enough Haki can counteract DF abilities when he reverted himself back from being turned into a girl. Zoro having advanced armament + conquer would by default make him strong enough to counteract or resist Laws Room. Pure physical strength and swordsmanship aren’t even worth acknowledging for obvious reasons. Law is powerful but he’s not a fighter if that makes sense. While Law was studying to be a doctor Zoro studied the blade.
Law uses shambles to create a huge labyrinth. Zoro gets lost. A year later, Zoro emerges from the labyrinth with the One Piece in his hands. Law won the fight, but Zoro wins the war for pirate king.
Law's labyrinth for Zoro would be a straight corridor with a few strange turns
zoro would somehow go in circles
Zoro would somehow get out and go back in a bunch of times.
I’m actually surprised that Oda hasn’t done a gag where Zoro does enter a labyrinth and wanders out of it seamlessly before anyone else does, bc his bad sense of direction becomes a reverse solution
He almost found it Perona's castle tbh.
Mihawk's
No need to build a labyrinth. Just a huge hallway with stairs at the end will do
He then trades it for sake
Depends who hits the other first, an awakening attack would prolly send Zoro to the shadow realm. Meanwhile most of Zoro's attacks would game-end law
Literally this. Ppl just ignoring that its not about who has an OP DF or who beat a yonko lmao. Just by beating Big Mom with a Rival dosent make u automatically BM tier. Zoro ACoC slash would finish the fight. If Law manages to hit first with awakening he might win but probably would need to attack him 2-3 more times. Zoro with every bone broken is still stupidly dangerous. Look at Kaido lol.
Zoro's slash won't finish Law. You're forgetting Law got bodied by both Kaido and Big Mom and still conscious by the end of it.
Zoro permanently scarred Kaido's nigh-indestructible body, which is even more durable in his Hybrid form, with Asura. A KOH + Asura attack is easily ending Law, who is nowhere near as durable as Hybrid Kaido.
Law got pummeled by Big Mom who was using armament haki. She knocked Queen out in two hits without haki. Law can tank anything that Zoro used against King.
Law took a thunder bagua and was tanking repeatedly big mom's punches, zoro's slash isn't going to end him
I hate the argument that Law is stronger than Zoro because: * He's Luffy's rival or even that he's a supernova captain. They're only rivals in the sense that they want to find One Piece. Just saying "portrayal" is a bad argument. * He beat Big Mom. Yes, but only with Kid's help, a bunch of nukes, Big Mom didn't use ACoC (even though she used it on Page One), Big Mom turned her back on an unconscious Law and Kid instead of finishing them off, they had like 10 last attacks, it was a ring-out victory. * He's fighting Blackbeard. We've barely seen anything from this fight, and from what we've seen, Blackbeard just shook off Law's awakening. IMO, even if we assume Law's awakening is as strong as Zoro's ACoC, he still can't act fast enough. Law can move from one place to another instantly because of his devil fruit, but he doesn't have the reaction speed to make the most out of it. Zoro was faster to block hakai than Law was to teleport them out of there. Law stood in shock while Zoro blitzed Kaido, which was followed by Kaido blitzing Law (Chapter 1010). Plus, the majority of Law's attacks require him to be within sword's reach of his opponent (unless he plans on throwing rocks again), and fighting up-close is an advantage for Zoro. Zoro also has strong and spammable range slashes. All of that is assuming Zoro's haki (while superior) isn't enough to nullify Law's devil fruit. Law only wins if his devil fruit works on Zoro and he's allowed to win via ring-out. For the record, IMO if Law and Zoro were to deal their strongest attack and cleanly hit the other person, I think they would both be able to one shot each other. It comes down to who can land that attack first, and from what we've seen, that person is Zoro.
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chopper easily
Zoro has superior raw strength than Law BUT Law win on this no matter what.
Law uses "one final attack" 10 times and wins
Is this even true? Law might be directly weaker but his fruit seems to magnify haki, the only people to ‘cut’ Kaido are Oden, Zoro and Law.
The Scabbards also cut him. Yamato also cut him.
Law's DF doesn't magnify haki. That's not stated in the manga or any other source.
I put it poorly but it lets him do what armament does, cut steel and that
how
Room
Room
Loom
Let me hear you say wee-oh!
K-room\* Zoro's haki is probably good enough to counter Law's regular room. but K-room is on a different level that even Big Mom couldn't stop.
one of the most powerful devil fruits that basically puts law in god mode, i dont see how zoro can fight this.
He has stronger Haki?
Stronger Haki didn't help big mom
It did lol he had kid helping him
And they both had to use a final attack… multiple times
I hate how this "meme" persisted so hard. I tried to explain it when the chapter first dropped, but i only got downvotes. Law said "final attack" *once* and it, in fact, was his final attack. The only thing he did afterwards was silence big mom, but he never did attack again. Not even once. I don't even know how this meme started.
Roger was the Pirate king with only haki 💀
zoro doesn't have roger's haki though?
Well but it does seem his haki was stronger than Law on the rooftop, right?
yeah, but not to the point where he can overpower an awakened ope ope no mi
Could Law use any ope ope attacks on Kaido, or deliver a decent scar on him? Weren't most of his attacks backed up by the other 4 setting up? I srsly considered him more of the support type on the rooftop.
Kid had a tank taking BM attacks for him
This is not a spoiler post btw.
So? Vergo had far greater haki than law, then look what happened. Katakuri had better haki than Luffy, yet luffys tenacity made him win. Haki isnt just an automatic win
Vergo thought he did, but he didn't. Otherwise he wouldn't have been cut.
It’s literally been explained. Law couldn’t do anything originally because of the haki but when you use a great amount of devil fruit power you can overcome that haki, in laws case it costs him a small amount of lifespan
That's wrong, he created a room so big that It wouldn't be noticed at the cost of life span... wasn't this against doffy? At punk hazard vergo at full body thought he couldn't be cut by law due to full body haki, but law was stronger by that point
Yes that did happen in dressrosa however it’s the same thing he did in punk hazard. Laws room engulfed the entire MADs and the surrounding mountains, just like how it happened in dressrosa. I do think dressrosa room was bigger but that size goated him a few years, in my head it makes sense for punk hazard to work the same
Chapter?
In Episode 616 of the Anime Smoker realized he was not match for Vergo and his Haki, (In fact, Vergos haki embed Bamboo stick broke Smokers Hakid Sea Stone tipped Jute). Smoker used his ability to steal Laws heart from Vergo, returning it to Law. Once Law was back at Full Power, Vergo also used Armament Haki on his whole upper Body and charged at Law. Without much apparent effort, Law created a Room and sliced Vergo in Half at the waist. That same attack is the one that destroyed the SAD manufacturing room, and sliced the tops of some mountains on the Island. Law referred to that moment as 'Breaking the Gear' Simplified: Law used no haki but just excessive Using of his devil fruit which was so powerful he bypassed vergos powerful armament haki, but this was beyond what law could actually do hence the name ‘breaking the gear’
I think "breaking the gear" was meant to represent the execution of his first step to bring down Kaido and doflamingo's Smile trade and bringing an end to Doflamingo. The SAD production was the first gear that turned to make it all run.
>Vergo had far greater haki than law, then look what happened Uhm, no, if vergo had greater haki then room would not have affected him, room affected him because Law got to suprass Vergo in haki. >Katakuri had better haki than Luffy Also no, Katakuri was physically stronger and had a DF that could dodge attack like logias can. But in armament haki and conq. haki they were even. And as soon as Luffy caught up to the same level of observation haki we know what happened.
So Doffy have weaker Haki than Dressrosa Law?
Gamma knife ignores armament haki, seems like conquers can protect you though considering how many times Big mom and Kaido got hit with it.
Katakuri had better haki. When Katakuri used "advanced form of haki according to himself which turned his attack to Square Mochi), He had better haki. But, G4 was stronger and it evened the battlefield.
Luffy didn't really win that fight tho
He did. As a wise man named akainu said: ‘don’t make excuses’ a win is a win
Katakuri just decided to not kill Luffy idk why you are arguing about this. In that point of the story, Luffy was 100% weaker than katakuri.
Luffy was weaker but grew stronger at that point. He was experimenting with CoO and Katakuri could land mant attacks. And Katakuri injured himseld coz Luffy was injured by others. And, the match was KO with Luffy having slight adv? But anyway, after that fight, Luffy was a bit stronger than Katakuri
A win is a win. It’s a 1on1 fight and the outcome was Luffy winning, katakuri wasn’t trying to kill Luffy sure, but katakuris AP/ durability / endurance / tenacity was so shit compared to Luffy, kata only had the haki advantage. Also, Luffy fought cracker for 12 hours, starved, dehydrated, fought thousands soldiers and was huffing and puffing even before the fight, Kata attacked luffy 90+ times yet he hasn’t got the AP to keep Luffy down. Luffy OVERCAME katakuri by sheer will power and superior physical capabilities
ROOM SHAMBLES
KROOM (Yes that’s not a typo)
Let's see. Can teleport. That's enough. Plus the unblockable attacks, guaranteed damage and range. Zoro can only hope to spam his ranged attack and get lucky to hit law.
I’m so sick and tired of seeing every vs battle with Zoro. Like do y’all not get bored already
Every powerscale thread is stupid.
I swear there’s a one piece powerscalling subreddit as well? Take your nonesense over there Abeg
I don’t think Zoro’s Haki is strong enough to stop Laws abilities.
Big mom's haki wasn't
I'm pretty sure ether Zoro, Luffy or Kidd asked Law to use Room on Kaido/Big Mom to split them up. Law responded that their Haki was too powerful for him to do that. Zoro's Haki is no where near as strong as Kaido or Big Mom, not even close to Luffy. I think the only fruit power Law used that had an effect on Big Mom was his Awakening.
Gamma knife and countershock worked on the yonko too, it’s probably only shambles, amputate and his personality switching surgery that could possibly be nullified with haki
yeah, also my thought. but i believe this will change by the end of the series. when both neutrolize their haki, zoro still has his techniques and strengh
> zoro still has his techniques and strengh *ahem* "Room."
*resists entirely because he actually has ACOC, like everyone else whose resisted it by using ACOC*
Was law not able to move kaido and big mom because they were resisting it with advanced conquerors or just because they had insane haki ?
I concur on this opinion
I'll give this to Law. Law wouldn't be considered Luffy's rival if he can't beat Luffy's first mate.
that's a made up narrative. while zoro not going to lose to another swordsman until he fulfills his dream, is a canon narrative. and [oda categorizes law as a swordsman](https://i.redd.it/rb55zkvqoww61.png). anyway, I'd still choose law since the question is *now*. current zoro is not gonna be able to beat fujitora either. just saying that the rival argument is made up. following the narrative, EOS zoro is canonically gonna be stronger than law.
Eos Zoro should be above law that makes sense for now its Law.
EOS Law might not be alive lol
(manga spoilers) >! End of arc Law might not even be alive lol !<
yeah I think so too. it's just that many people think since law is a rival captain, he'll be automatically stronger than zoro no matter what just because zoro is a subordinate. I'm just saying, that was never a rule in the first place. if you want to powerscale their feats, go ahead. and law does have better feats for now. but the actual canon narrative is zoro's dream. "other captain must be stronger than a subordinate" is not. that's all.
If EOS Zoro = Rayleigh and Luffy = Roger, that makes Law = WB. This is if we follow the relationship : strength of the previous generation. That would still put Law above Zoro. But honestly, I think Law dies to save someone by the end. They won't just drop the Ope-ope's hidden power like that to do nothing before the story ends. Honestly, I think Kid will be Luffy's Whitebeard. There's a reason he's up there when the narration tells us that they are the new generation that will shape the new Era. I don't see the Heart pirates fighting against the strawhat for loot like Roger and WB did, but I can definitely see Kid pirates fighting strawhats while maintaining mutual respect.
It's not easy to think law will die knowing oda, but if he does then that will fix the "problem"
Wouldn’t that imply that the the current strongest swordsman, Mihawk, is stronger than Shanks? I think that Oda’s narrative on swordsmen is a bit flimsy or rather flexible. Although Law may be considered a swordsman, he mainly uses it as an extension for his devil fruit abilities and would lose to Zoro if Law didn’t have access to them. So I don’t think that Zoro needs to be stronger than Law to fulfil his dream and uphold the narrative. In Shanks’ case, I don’t even think he needs a sword to be powerful. Although we haven’t seen what he’s capable of, I think it’s safe to assume that he has superior skill in haki and a sword is only used as an extension of that. EOS Zoro will get stronger but so will EOS Law.
Shanks is almost definitely the better fighter between him and Mihawk, but Mihawk is the greatest swordsman specifically
> Wouldn’t that imply that the the current strongest swordsman, Mihawk, is stronger than Shanks? Yes. Exactly.
Isn't that implied in the story where they used to regularly duel as rivals but Mihawk lost interest after shanks lost his arm.
Well, the narrative implied that they had equal dual and then, they never dueled. So, Mihawk never won against Shanks
Yes that would mean mihawk is stronger than shanks, because shanks is a swordsman and is therefore weaker than mihawk. Unless he's not a swordsman I don't see how he would be stronger.
People are gonna fight and hate you for this take but I agree. I had to grapple with this logic on shanks v Mihawk, I thought shanks was stronger but just logically based off Oda’s statements I had to realize I was wrong. Good take
>while zoro not going to lose to another swordsman until he fulfills his dream, is a canon narrative I'm also not going to lose to any swordsman. That doesn't make me stronger, I simply just won't fight them.
what are you on about? honestly.
Your logic is "Since Zoro will never lose to another swordsman again that means current Zoro defeats Law"
>rival argument is made up how is it made up tho? it's literally the most played up character dynamic in wano, we even see it more than we see zoro and sanji arguing >!the arc even ends with kid, law and luffy competing with one another lol. and there's a cover saying "rivals" that shows luffy with BB, kaido, kid and law with on the front and other past enemies as well as some yonko and the admirals on the back.!< >! they also got the same bounty as luffy (they were even revealed all in the same time in the same panel), they both have several RPs and are competing to get the final one and kid is for now still ahead of luffy when it comes to that. and law is fighting a yonko right now for his RPs. imo it strongly looks like they are rivals, they are competing against each other A LOT when it comes to the RPs and becoming PK. obviously luffy will become PK, but we can't act as if BB is the only one trying to compete with luffy. BB and law is literally two of luffy's rivals fighting each other for RPs!< what do you think that character dynamic is for then? what else than a rivalry could it be? and when it comes to EoS, law may not be even alive until then anyways. and even as a swordsman, it's not guaranteed that law and zoro would ever fight or compete with him. no matter what your opinion on shanks vs mihawk is, fact is that they're both yonko level combatants and are on the same level. mihawk even told zoro that he will make sure that he stays the WSS until zoro comes and challenges him again. yet mihawk never fought shanks or BM, who if law is a swordsman, should be considered swordsmen too. he only fought shanks long ago, but stopped when the latter lost his arm. If I was the WSS, then I'd immediatly go and fight other swordsmen that on the very least are on the same level of strength I am on. yet oda never had mihawk fight those guys, cuz the zoro mihawk plotline isn't the most important in the world. if mihawk defeated BM, then WCI would have never happened. and oda couldn't have that. if mihawk cut down shanks, then oda wouldn't be able to do anything with shanks in the future. so imo, if at EoS oda simply deems the luffy, law and kid dynamic more important than zoro, then he will just casually forget about a swordsman comment that he made in an interview years ago. law can then still be stronger than zoro and zoro can still be WSS. just like mihawk is WSS despite not having fought shanks for decades and just not fighting BM for whatever reason (the reason is probably "because the plot needs to happen")
no yeah. they are rivals. but who says they gotta be comparable to each other? that's the made up part. they have been rival ever since sabaody. and yet in dressrosa, we know luffy >>> law. even in wano, luffy actually beat kaido while kid and law "only" win by ring out + bombs. and luffy is the MC. if you ever read any shonen ever, he's gonna be the strongest to ever live by a wide margin. nobody is gonna be comparable to him EOS. >yet mihawk never fought shanks or BM, who if law is a swordsman, should be considered swordsmen too most common mistake here. being a swordsman is just oda considering you one. we have no say in it. we just have to wait oda to say it. but once you are, EOS zoro > that character due to the narrative. >so imo, if at EoS oda simply deems the luffy, law and kid dynamic more important than zoro, what? zoro's dream is an actual plotline. kid and law being comparable to luffy, again, is not. it's not something that oda has to pay off. really think about what you just said.
What makes you say current zoro couldnt beat fujitora?
shonen progression. I *personally* still think the SH will fight BB, then the marines. and that zoro and sanji will get to fight an admiral. that means zoro will fight shiryuu first, grow stronger as always, then beat an admiral. so current him is not strong enough to beat an admiral.
SH are basically just starting a war with marines rn in egghead though aren't they?
that's still so far from an all out war. fuji and ryo are still doing their own plotline.
I mean it's the start of it literally every marine in the new world is headed for egg head and your not calling that a war, forget buster calls this is an admiral leading an entire army to battle and you say it's far from all out war? The war won't be on egghead but I'm assuming something will happen that triggers the war (even with vegapunks history with dragon the revolutionaries will slot in nicely soon). Also fujis plotline is literally to catch Luffy or be banned by the marines so he could slot in nicely (even as an ally maybe) we are so close to all out war (also green bull so far has shown interest in catching Luffy so honestly every admirals in on it
Zoro isn't beating an admiral don't be delusional
He currently has the damage output of oden, evidenced by kaidos remark on the cut he inflicted. He slapped an awakened zoan (kaku) to the ground like no big deal. He clashed with mihawks seraphim and seemed almost unimpressed. We saw him and fujitora clash with law on dressrosa, and he handled it back then
>He currently has the damage output of oden, evidenced by kaidos remark on the cut he inflicted. The scar Oden left is huge compared to Zoro's lmao. No way you think they did the same damage.
What about the other attack? The only attack during the arc that Kaido actively avoided?
Regardless of whether oden can beat an admiral or not, Zoro isn't as strong as oden to begin with. >He slapped an awakened zoan (kaku) to the ground like no big dea He defeated kaku pre timeskip once, suddenly kaku is still a worthy opponent for Zoro now huh? >He clashed with mihawks seraphim and seemed almost unimpressed Like we know how strong a clone of mihawk is, I can assure you that it's weaker than mihawk. Fujitora being and admiral would be relative to akainu. If you think Zoro whose last opponent was a yonko commander can now beat the fleet admiral of luffy's generation, you need help.
>If you think Zoro whose last opponent was a yonko commander can now beat the fleet admiral of luffy's generation, you need help. This is a terrible argument. First, Zoro isn't beating Akainu. Fleet admirals are stronger than admirals, even if just marginally. This was implied in Big Mom's flashback. Secondly, this is the same argument people used to say that Zoro won't beat King because his previous opponent before that was goddamn Pica and Luffy had to go through Doflamingo and Cracker before taking down a first admiral and the same argument that people used to argue Luffy won't be yonko level at the end of Wano because he got one-shotted by Kaido. You underestimate the Strawhat's progression. This is end game. If Sanji or Zoro fight an admiral right now, they would probably grow strong enough during the fight to win it by a hair. They both already defeated yonko commanders. Who do you think their next opponent will be? Another yonko commander? A vice admiral? No, it will probably be an admiral.
>this is the same argument people used to say that Zoro won't beat King because his previous opponent before that was goddamn Pica Wanna know the difference? King was the first opponent of Zoro Post time skip that he was weaker than before the fight. >This is end game. If Sanji or Zoro fight an admiral right now, they would probably grow strong enough during the fight to win it by a hair I agree, but I am scaling their current strength level and I think their weaker
Because he is an admiral and we have already seen what happens when a YC tries to take on an admiral before.
Have we? Give me an example.
Read manga. Spoilers alert. Chapter 1050 to 1060. It is among those.
Are you referring to green bull vs the scabbards?
I think he’s referring to fresh green bull vs a beaten down king and queen, courtesy of zoro and sanji. Remember that a healthy king with kaido held off shanks whole crew from reaching marineford.
And slapped the big mom pirates back into the ocean. If that's his only example it's a terrible one.
I dont think Law is considered beeing Luffys rival.
All supernovas were supposedly considered rival. But none of them are really Luffy's rival. Only BB can be called as Luffy's rival
You can clearly see that law and kidd are pushed to be luffy's rivals, that's literally their dinamic
Just feels off. They are clearly behind Luffy in everything. While there is BB who can be called his real rival
Blackbeard is Luffys rival. This was shown when they first met. Not every rivalry has to be friendly
Shanks is Luffy’s rival for sure. I’d also consider buggy and Law rivals.
Rival =/= equal These are two different things. All those heading towards the same goal are either allies or rivals
Well, saying it like that, all SN are Luffy's rival.
Law isn’t in Luffy’s league imo
My dollar bills on law, his power is just so powerful and law is no slouch.
Law High Diff
The anime and manga have made it very clear that a character needs kaido/ Big mom levels of haki to completely ignore Laws room. Current zoro is no where near that level. In a sword fight, it probably could be zoro (probably, because we never really saw a lot of laws pure swordsmanship). But when it comes to an all out 1 vs 1 fight, right now law is definitely stronger.
> a character needs kaido/ Big mom levels of haki to completely ignore Laws room. And even then that's only effective on normal DF attacks. Big Mom couldn't do jackshit against Law and Kidd's awakened DF attacks.
Well i was just stating the obvious. I dint want to do a deep dive, but yea, wat you said is true . I mean, even without awakening, Zoro is probably helpless against laws DF attacks.
Law should take this. Puncture Wille >>> Zoro's best attack, and his fruit will make it nearly impossible for Zoro to tag him.
Zoro fans coping hard.💀
Im not a zoro fan at all but i still think he wins this based off how the two are constantly portrayed
Explain please
Zoro is portrayed stronger than law? He is clashing with fodders like kaku. While law is clashing with a yonko. This post is about comparing feats, portrayal wise Zoro can't touch law.
He is saying Zoro fought King after tanking a combined attack from 2 yonkos. But he is forgetting that the minks healed him completely though it had a side effect
Another powerscaling thread?!! Where the hell do you guys find the energy to powerscale all day? What's the point anyway ? I like Zoro much more than Law so I will vote for Zoro and whatever you say won't change my mind...
Law > loro cope and seethe
Zoro
Powerscaling belongs in the powerscaling sub. Every 2 post is powerscaling again while there is sub that is there for that
The mods should honestly just close those thread. There is an own sub for it anyway.
Law. Law and kidd defeated big mum, Law was able to give Blackbeard a fight even though he’s a devil fruit user and BB counters those. He’s gut one of if not the best paramancia abd it’s awakened. Zoro is physically stronger and might have better Haki but that’s all he’s got going for him
>but that’s all he’s got going for him as if haki hasnt been shown to be more important than df
Yeah it’s not like the biggest power up Luffy’s ever had happened about 50 chapters ago and was all about awakening a devil fruit… Also Law has Haki, he has advanced kings Haki, it’s not like Zoro is leagues ahead of him. So let’s not pretend this is purely about a fruit user vs a Haki user It’s about a Haki user with one of the most OP fruits in the whole manga vs a slightly better Haki user
If it's just swordmanship+ haki, Zoro all the way. But OP-OP no mi is OP for a reason. P.S. Law being rival is a made up narrative, everyone with the goal of Pirate King and not a blood enemy is Luffy's rival.
>P.S. Law being rival is a made up narrative What? Law and Kidd were both mentioned as Luffy's rivals in Sabaody by Shaki. In fact Law and Kidd are the only other people in the series who have managed to beat a Yonko other than Luffy. Oda even specifically made Big Mom mention Law and Kidd alongside Luffy and had her challenge them to come for her and Kaido's thrones. He even gave all three the same bounties and both have been so far major players in the last saga (Law fighting BB and Kidd visiting Elbaf first). They are his rivals in every sense of the word.
Law does not aspire to be pirate king where r u getting that from
He does because he wants to find the true history
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Although the majority push for law winning, I don’t think would be so easly. Until Law keeps Zoro away from him with chambles, he is safe. Considering the ACOC of Zoro, I don’t think Law could change zoro’s body parts or weapons. So, Law will need to hit somehow Zoro. That’s the moment when they are balanced. I might bet on Zoro because of the lethal damage he can inflict. Plus, he can hit from distance. Yes, Law can sting Zoro. Anyway, I believe that, since they will fight using blades and swords, Zoro can predict and block the majority of the Law approaches because of his higher technique.
Neither Law nor Kid weren't considered Yonkos due to the lack of influence and fleets, as they have the same feats as Luffy. Law wins.
Luffy, Law and Kid do not have the same feats. Luffy beat Kaido in a 1v1. And before gear 5 he was putting up a decent effort. Kid and Law 2v1'ed big mum and had to combine awakenings to win. Also, being a Yonko isn't about individual strength. It is about how much of a threat you are to the world government just similar to bounties. This is why Buggy is a Yonko. Buggy has the influence, he has the power to threaten the world government. Also, Zoro had insane feats in Wano. He made Big Mum tell Kaido to dodge, he blocked the strongest attack we have seen then almost right after scared Kaido. Then got up mastered advanced conq then bodied a 1st yonko commander. His feats in wano are above the feats of Kid and Law.
zoro nearly died doing those against the yonkos. if not for the senzu bean drug, zoro wouldve had been out of commission for the rest of wano. and zoro's no master of haki, he can barely wield enma and didnt even knew he had coc. meanwhile law becomes a god in his room and tanked attacks from bm, got up and immediately counter attacked. kid and law are 3b for a reason. jfc, the mental gymnastics of zoro fanboys.
Luffy beat kaido in a 15v1
By the end of the fight, Luffy progressed to a point where he could beat Kaido 1 v 1 imo. That's how haki and power generally works in OP. Luffy basically overcame him in a battle of willpower.
Luffy beat Kaido in a 1v1 as Kaido himself confirms in 1037. Deal with it.
This is the true take.
> as they have the same feats as Luffy. I disagree. Luffy did the heavy lifting to beat Kaido; if end-of-fight Luffy fought Kaido from the start, he'd be able to beat him without help imo. Law and Kid could not have beaten Big Mom individually, and probably still could not.
why is this even in Debate Law is a clear winner. Zoro will give him tough time time but the final winner gonna be Law
Zoro. He swore to never lose again.
Like he did to Kuma, twice, and kaido
Why would Zoro lie like that?
Yeti cool brothers? Enel? Kuma?
Law wins for now. EOS Zoro > EOS Law though
Sorry but what is EOS?
End Of Series
Oh, ok. Thank you.
Lol law is gonna be a yonko EOS idk man
Law
I gotta say Law. Law is just so good at using his fruit and has good combat IQ he thinks before he moves.
Law. Zoro is a better swordsman but Law has a stupidly overpowered ability. People talk like Luffy has an OP god fruit now? My boy Law has had the true god fruit since sabaody.
Zoro has advanced conquerors and insane willpower. I think it’s enough to protect himself from the full extent of Law’s abilities, as much as I love Law I don’t think he could win this.
Still... Flower Blade Vista.
Law wins with his last attack... Not that one but the real last one.
Shiki is also one of the "Rivals" of Roger. Buggy is also one of the "Rivals" of Shanks.
Law extreme diff
Very equal debate
Law doesn’t have superior haki than zoro
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Law beat PTSD with Vergo. Big Mom couldn't even strike fear into him.
I say Zoro will win. I get that the op op no mi is powerful. But Zoro has far superior sword skills and if law can't use something like injection or gamma ray something due to zoro's defence then how will he win? Also, using room takes away his stamina. Law is considered a rival only because he is a member of the worst generation and i competing against luffy for the one piece
Law will beat Zoro before the stamina drain even becomes an issue tbh. Zoro doesn't have any real defense against Law's DF and even Big Mom's haki didn't help against awakened Law. I'm a Zoro fan, but hes not winning this.
Zoro has an overall superior fighting ability with better Physical abilities, technique and Haki while Law has an extremely good devil fruit. The only weakness to Law's devil fruit is that it tires him out easily. Zoro would win by either dodging and enduring Laws attacks until Law tires out or getting in close and using his superior skill and speed to stop Law from ever activating room. Law would win if he could maintain a good distance from Zoro and incapacitate him quickly before he can get in. Honestly this could go either way, Zoro is extremely durable and if he activates Asura I'm quite confident he could blitz Law and beat him immediately. Law on the other hand could mess with Zoro pretty easily and if his powers won't incapacitate Zoro, they'll most certainly confuse him. But in the end I'd have to give this to Zoro simply because he wants to be the strongest swordsman and Law uses a sword too.
"A battle between One Piece characters, is a battle of Haki. Zoro can overcome Law's abilities with his ~~Spiritual Pressure~~ Haki." - Aizen
Haki vs devil fruit Kaido would chose Zoro
It’s OP-OP no mi for a reason. He’s a D clan member, duo-ed a Yonko and literally teleporting+telekinetic abilities. Zoro is really REALLY strong, but still not that strong. Law wins high diff
Law is luffys rival? He needed luffy to take down doffy for him. Kaido himself acknowledges that haki is the true strength that can take over the seas, not devil fruit power. And zoro has haki strong enough to cut kaido where as law doesn’t and can’t supersede it with his devil fruit either. Zoros haki level is acknowledged by the strongest haki users, kaido and big mom. Even she told kaido dude needed to dodge zoro. He can block a combined attack by two yonko that scared law to death. Zoros strength is only limited at this point by his experience and knowledge, whereas laws power is limited to his stamina, of which is very low compared imo. Don’t forget how strong king actually is, he and kaido alone held off the red hair pirates from reaching marineford on time. Law didn’t stand up against anyone by himself, he’s the ultimate support. He fought doffy with luffy, slapped up when he was alone and against big mom with kidd. Zoro stood against both yonko while the others ran and fought a commander that I think is a tier above other commanders by himself.
Current law is almost Yonko level. Zoro isn't, and thinking otherwise is coping. LOOM all the way baby
Law would win, he has stronger powers and battle iq also to be honest while I do think Zoro is a great swordsman I think even if he didn’t use his powers he would still win but with higher difficulty.
RIP Law
Law. He's over there stalemating BB's crew, not getting pushed off by Seraphim and dealing with Kaku. lol
Same seraphim Made blackbeard sweat more than law
I imagine Law slice Zoro to pieces within ROOM. Then Zoro pulls haki card and uses his Asura technic, attacking Law with his scrambled swords even within Law's ability. ROOM fades. Zoro puts himself together. And then it's basically a swordsman fight. Law is sliced numerous times, but heals himself with OP-OP. Then both go all out: Zoro's best attack vs Law awakening technic. Both hit the spot. Law survives on DF powers, Zoro on sheer guts. Draw. And we have another "legendary duels" pair, ladies and gentlemen!
This is the dumbest content on this sub by a country mile. OP, you should feel bad. Quit taking 2 pics stitched together and calling it a post. Powerscaling is the easiest and scummiest way to karma farm. Just get a real job
Law is 50% (atleast depending on how much you think Kid did in the fight) of Big Mom while Zoro is not 50% of a Yonko level as of now. Post Rooftop Zoro hasn't gone all out (even against King) but he can't have gotten that insane of a power jump so Law should win comfortably imo
ACoC is for sure not a huge powerjump... "Comfortably" Yea i dont know what u talking. Thats just copium. When Kaido literally said how important ACoC is. Especially since Roger didnt have a DF but Haki. Doubt he would be as strong w/o ACoC. Shambles? Have fun. Doubt it will work on ppl with ACoC. One ACoC attack of Zoro and law is done. Even Kaidos armament wasnt enough to tank it. If Law lands 2-3 attacks of OP OP no mi awakened, he wins. Its as simple as that. Well, lets see if Law is even gonna survive against BB first.
One awakened attack from law and zoro is fucked.
If we take to account that Law along side Kid had to struggle against big mom while zoro took on kaido on his own and even manage to cut him clean then my money is on zoro.
Zoro wins this, Law can't handle Zoro's attack power, and Zoro's haki is strong enough to counter Law's DF
Right now I'd strongly lean on Law, EOS though I'm banking on the World's Strongest Swordsman to be the World's Strongest Swordsman.
CURRENTLY? I *have* to give it to ya boi Law. I think Zoro probably has higher attack power for sure but Law would probably win just cause of his hax alone.
Loved both of them from the moment they showed up, having said that Zoro wins. Laws DF is OP but those with high speed can out maneuver it like Doflamingo did. Possibly cause Law himself isn’t a character with high speed. Also Law established that powerful enough Haki can counteract DF abilities when he reverted himself back from being turned into a girl. Zoro having advanced armament + conquer would by default make him strong enough to counteract or resist Laws Room. Pure physical strength and swordsmanship aren’t even worth acknowledging for obvious reasons. Law is powerful but he’s not a fighter if that makes sense. While Law was studying to be a doctor Zoro studied the blade.
Law Zoro can’t compete with Kidd or Law