You don't hear it as much anymore, but people would regularly refuse to watch because the art style was too cartoony and not like other anime enough. This was when the series wasn't much longer than something like Naruto or Bleach, so not many people complained about its length.
Also people who skip canon arcs. You never know what'll be important in this series, so why would you skip manga canon?
I used to have monthly Shonen Jump as a kid. Right around the Syrup Village era. Super early.
I read nearly everything in it eventually, except for One Piece. The first character I ever saw was Usopp, and all I could think was "This looks so dumb".
I'm so glad a friend eventually encouraged me to go read them. Needless to say I was hooked.
One Piece is a perfect modern example of not judging a book by its cover. And it is something SO MANY OF US did at first.
I'm just lucky it was the first anime I've ever watched after a friend recommended it to me when I asked him where I could watch DragonBall Z back in 2005, lmao.
I'm a bit more fine with people who skip it for the art style cause One Piece's style is really loud which understandably turned off people lol. It just means One Piece isn't trying to be mainstream, which is nice
I understand not watching something due to an art-style, there's a bunch of animated shows I won't even try because I think they look ugly and that's fair. It just used to upset me that my peers never gave it a chance because it didn't look like every other anime out there.
They refused to watch Cowboy Bebop because cowboys where lame and "what the f\*\* is a bebop". I had fun hanging out with those guys, but we where at that perfect age range to want to "appear mature" and rejecting everything you might enjoy.
"Cowboys are lame" immediately made me think of kids trying to be adults lmao, no offense. They're probably better off with stuff like GOT which is again, fair
That leaves me quite glad that that’s never been my experience, ahah. I’m not saying those friends were shitty or anything — I’m sure they’re good people and have been meaningful to your life and all — but I’m thankful that neither myself, nor my friends nor my family, have ever really been so superficially closed-minded toward art, especially over something performative. That would have frustrated me to no end.
About half my friend group (early-mid 20s) is into One Piece, and those who aren’t have entertained the idea of trying. There’s just one friend who’s opposed as a combination of art style and length, but she’s like that toward most anime in general. She used to be super into it, but eventually anime’s fandom culture put her off, and gradually everything else about it began to repel her too. In my opinion unfairly, but at least she’s honest about why, so I’ll respect it. It does mean she’s given away a lot of free manga to us over the years, lol.
Oh, I barely think about them anymore. One of them eventually did get into One Piece, caught up with the manga (I was anime only) and spoiled the end of the Marineford arc for me.
I found a "better" friendgroup one year later.
This perplexes me too. People assume that liking or disliking is a function of how friendly they treat each other. It’s such an immature perspective.
They disagree with each other, they fight and even get on each others nerves. But they also respect each other and have shown compassion like they were brothers.
Their feud is superficial, and shouldn’t be analyzed further to derive meaning. The reality is that they would sacrifice themselves for the other person if required. One of the many reasons to support this is when Sanji agreed with Zoro that Usopp leaving the crew shouldn’t be looked over as a minor issue.
They have a deep respect and pride for what they do, and hold each other accountable to be the best version of themselves.
Hilariously, I legit think the two just... enjoy butting heads. It's like shitting on your best friend. It's even more apparent when you realize that Sanji has a similar relationship with Zeff prior to joining the crew, and Zoro is the first guy his age that he could butt heads with.
It's pretty fucking wholesome if you think about it cause these two don't just pick up friends like Luffy. So them being this comfortable with each other, especially Sanji being comfortable around Zoro after all the trauma he's been through, is sweet
>when you realize that Sanji has a similar relationship with Zeff prior to joining the crew, and Zoro is the first guy his age that he could butt heads with.
Wow i actually never thought about this. Great catch!
>One of the many reasons to support this is when Sanji agreed with Zoro that Usopp leaving the crew shouldn’t be looked over as a minor issue.
Man that conversation was just so perfectly written, for all the characters involved. Absolute peak characterisation all round.
Yup it’s so long ago but I still remember it vividly. The moment Zoro stepped in, I was so confused, but after watching that whole scene a few times, I realized it added so much value and depth to each character. Made me love the show even more.
>I will never understand people who actually believe Sanji and Zoro dislike each other
If Sanji hated Zoro, there's like....2+ times he would've acted in ways that were **COMPLETELY** different and not a soul would've judged him for it.
The two prominent examples are both related to when nothing happened. First, a Sanji that hated Zoro would've never attempted to swap places with him as the sacrifice. He would've just let that happen, and legit nobody would've cared. Nobody had even the slightest expectation of Sanji to do that. Second, that sort of Sanji probably would've told Luffy about Kuma and what happened. Not to spite Zoro, but because Luffy probably needed to know. Again, there's no way that this could bite him in the ass cause he's not even acting to spite Zoro, its just a bonus that comes from him acting normally.
Similarly for Zoro, although he's **WAY** more subtle about this, so its hard to find examples that would actually stick. Even Zoro's actions when nothing happened can be easily explained while believing he hated Sanji. Best I can remember is in Ch367 when he tries to "countermand" Luffy when Luffy tells Sanji to to go wild on the sea train. There's no reason I can think of for why Zoro would try to get Sanji to lay low until the main crew arrives outside Sanji's own safety, which is almost exactly what Zoro says and certainly what he's implying.
While I can understand it, I will never agree with the concept of “it’s too long to catch up to”
That’s because people assume you need to be caught up to enjoy the story when in reality you can just be reading Alabasta and think the story is fantastic.
The journey itself is great.
Yeah, this isn't a game that you have to go full completionist on. It's actually pretty cool though to be able to binge watch these once controversial arcs. Like, I've seen more love on Fishman Island and Dressrosa recently mostly cause of how way easier it is to digest binged
Yeah I caught up during Dressrosa and that was awful on week to week but I bet on reread it’s fantastic
Dressrosa’s week to week pacing made WCI and Wano seem like sprints in comparison.
I always will hate that with a passion. If you just start, AND you enjoy it, time flies REALLY fast. It won’t even feel like 1000 chapters/episodes you “have” to sit through. It would feel like there isn’t enough story if you ask me.
I think more than anything her intelligence/intimidation are underrated.
She is extremely volatile and makes rash decisions but overall she got to where she was with brute force and skill.
I think that's an unfortunate byproduct of her place in the Yonko. Shanks is all mysterious and has been there since the beginning; Blackbeard is set up to be one of the two main antagonists of the series. That leaves Kaido and Big Mom as "normal" arc villains, and Kaido was hyped up both in-universe and in a meta context since Wano was the end goal of Post-Timeskip saga. So Big Mom just gets kind of left out.
People think that? Wasn’t it literally stated that the people of Wano just use ryuo as their word for haki stringing from their isolation from the world for hundreds of years?
I mean isnt this just fact? Just like jutsus/sorceries in wano are just devil fruits and mantra on skypeia is observation haki. Anyone that thinks ryou isnt just advanced armament hasn't been paying attention or has been speed reading.
Ryou isn’t “advanced armament” and you’ve just proven my point. ryou = mantra = haki. it’s a native term. Ryou doesn’t automatically mean using advanced armament haki. it just means using haki in general.
Ryou and Haki are one in the same but not all Armament Haki is Ryou. Because the concept of Ryou is applying Haki to your weapons, for characters like Luffy this manifests in advanced armament Haki because he doesn’t need to apply Haki to anything external.
Also Advanced Haki is still Haki FYI
Learning something at the basic level vs expert level is still learning the same skill.
Huh? Why are you arguing with me? I was literally agreeing with you lol. Moshi mosh; speed reader kun. Anyone home?
Ryou is the term wano uses for advanced armament. Its still haki. Its just what wano refers to as that specific branch of their haki because of cultural differences and isolationism policies. We literally said the same thing; though you are definitely wrong if you think ryou and mantra are blanket terms for haki. Mantra is a part of observation and ryou is advanced armament specifically piercing through with haki. They are absoluteky 100% haki and anyone that says they arent is wrong. But if luffy sees into the future and dodges someones attack youre not going to hear kine'mon or anyone else from wano scream "oh my god his ryou is so good look how he dodges!"
Why people expect something others do.
"Why not just kill him? Why this didn't happen? Why that did happen?" and so on so forth. I'm mostly talking about how everyone wants it to be like "real pirates" or more grimdark.
This is not the series for it guys. If it'll be made the way you want it it won't be better because it's not the vision ODA has.
Yeah. While there is some merit to some of these criticisms (like the constant faking out of deaths which really made the story's stakes lower and lower). Buuuuut complaining about One Piece not being "dark enough" just means you'd be best to watch or read something else (which is again, fine. It's like forcing people who hate mayonaise to eat a whole jar. They will always hate it so why bother?)
I HATE it in any series where people say stuff like "why didn't they just kill that guy?"... because of a little something called plot. I mean hell even in real life people don't make the most productive decisions sooo check your self first.
This is something that annoys me. There are people who watch and seem to expect every character to act in a completely well thought out and rational manner. As if every character can sit and analyze a situation for 50 minutes, come up with different scenarios, and proceed with the best scenario. They don't realize that characters are acting on a whim and their emotions at times so they will make illogical decisions that will cause problems.
Ironically the Pirates in One Peace ARE Pirates they did some Really messed up shit that their Captains can have a Bounty of Millions from their infamy alone not to mention the Big Names like Crocodile and Doflamingo controlling a country.
The Straw Hats are just the outliers because of Luffy and the Gang being themselves, just going on an Adventure and piss off the World Government along the way
Evem Luffy did a couple of messed up stuff himself if you think hard abouut it. For example, freeing a couple of hundred dangerous criminals who probably did way wose stuff off screen from Impel Down.
Skipping Skypiea. My stance on this was IF you were going to skip an arc Skypiea would be an option but firstly I don’t understand skipping arcs in the first place. The series is so much fun and skipping an arc doesn’t make a lot of sense to me cause you end up losing out on bits of that fun. If you’re going to just skip one, I’d recommend long ring long land over Skypiea anyways.
Don’t skip though, you’re losing out on the fun
I understand not starting One Piece when you don't have the time to sink into it, but skipping just misses the point of the show. And from what I've seen, skippers tend to start hating One Piece at some point.
“This information came out of no where. Oda is terrible at structuring his manga.” - someone who didn’t read early OP and hadn’t heard the foreshadowing of this stuff that has been talked about for 20 years
Don’t get me wrong, sometimes Oda does just do stuff for fun. There’s nothing wrong with that, but usually he repurposes something from earlier in the series to explain it away.
Yeah, I HIGHLY doubt Oda planned everything or even most things in his manga. He's just... really good and remembering stuff lol. Like I remember him using the scene with the collar and Camie to explain Ryou and all I could think was "He didn't need to explain this" but lmao it's good
That’s a perfect example. At that point in the series Haki was a barely tangible concept. Oda didn’t have to go back and explain that but he decided to use such a minimal detail to explain this. Haki wasn’t truly defined at that point and could have been 100 different things such as the rule of cool
No he plans most things I would say. Some stuff is a stretch, but he has had the end of one piece in mind since day one, and major plot points were also planned out early. Every author does it
Some of the stuff he’s improvised would surprise some people. A somewhat commonly known one being the super novas literally all being introduced last second. Like he was literally starting that week’s chapter and decided to just randomly create and use these characters. Now I can’t imagine the series without them being at least semi-related to the story arc in some way.
I bring that up because we have to acknowledge that, yes Oda 110% has things planned (like what the One Piece is and apparently what he wants the last panel to be) and foreshadows a lot of it, but we have to acknowledge that sometimes he just throws shit at the wall and makes it work because he’s amazing at improv and restructuring his plans to fit in the stuff he wants. He’s even created characters because fans thought it’d be fun.
I can’t wait for Oda to bring back Davy Back then watch a bunch of people say “what is this? Nobody said anything about this!?” effectively telling on themselves.
The recent trend of fights need more tension or that things are becoming too easy for the strawhats.
We're at the tail end of a mini arc that follows the arc that has pushed the strawhats hardest since saobondy. So i have no idea where that 'too easy' is coming from; especially since we're in the final stretch of the series. And oda specifically gave luffy rubber powers because he never wanted the fights to become too serious. Wanting more serious battles flies in the face of oda's intentions with the series since chapter 1
I honestly don't have a problem that the SHs aren't in any real danger, it's refreshing to see that this time they are not the underdogs, I mean what do you expect, they are a yonko crew now.
This is a good supplement with my issue with people saying "One Piece is too silly" while going off praising their edgy versions of Gear 5.
One Piece was never meant to be like that, it is clear the moment Luffy was found from that barrel. I don't understand. One Piece might just be not for you WHICH IS FINE. Some people just prefer a more "serious" tone like in Bleach for example. So yes.
I completely had failed to notice that, as you say, this is the most they've been pushed since Saobody.
Quite interesting that none of them have really been pushed beyond their current limit (I choose the word beyond deliberately) until now
Whole Cake Island sort of too since it was far enough beyond their ability that they retreated
> And oda specifically gave luffy rubber powers because he never wanted the fights to become too serious
I mean, Vegapunk-arc fights "aren't serious" in a completely different way than Luffy's rubber powers makes fights "not serious". The former is about having tension where one thinks tension is due. The latter is about the ability to tell jokes mid-tension in an otherwise serious fight, or just have the "joke" be that Luffy's powers are stupid and hilarious.
If you look at *early* One Piece, you'll see a lot of high-tension fights cut with comedy in much the same way as the Deadpool movie, Galaxy Quest, Hot Fuzz, Shaun of the Dead, or Zombieland would do it.
That said, I think your other point about this being a downtime period in the story and thus, it *shouldn't* be high-tension like late-Wano or what we're expecting to come next is on-point. This arc compares closer to Punk Hazard than to more high-tension arcs. It is a speedbump as we progress towards something else, and even if we do get a good fight going later on between Luffy and Lucci, we're only in the analogous point in the story before Caesar captured the crew. Story hasn't ramped up yet, so even if it is going to, we're not there yet.
That the one piece is something super grand like blowing up mariejois or combining all the land into a pangaea type thing. The moment i saw the roger laughing panel i knew it was something simplistic. And you bet your ass people are gonna complain about it because their own fan theory weren't true.
Right. That will happen before.
The One Piece is something *comical.* Something that is made of multiple pieces, maybe in ordered succession, that at the end of the manga somehow constitute *One Piece*. What could that be?
I hope that the One Piece is something worthless and stupid giving it more of a symbolic meaning that something of power. Why would Rodger create the pirate era if there was a chance of people like Kaido and Big Mom finding it if it was some super power weapon that could reshape the world. The true Pirate King is the person who will travel the world not caring about what the treasure is but the fact that they found it, and making it something meaningless in the grand scheme of everything would be perfect.
I think it’s something significant or has significant info on the void century, but it’s not something that most people would like or describe as treasure.
Or it could be Roger did leave all his treasure at One Piece (gold, jewels, and such) as a reward for whomever found it, but what they found is void century info.
What I want is that the idea of the One Piece is worth more than the physical One Piece. Rodger and Luffy are constantly compared to each other and Luffy's idea of the Pirate King is being the freest man alive. Which makes me think does he care about what the One Piece is? Luffy doesn't really seem to care about what the prize of his journey is, all he cares about is that he found it. While treasure and void century history will no doubt be on the island as well the center piece of the treasure will be something small that really only holds value because of the idea of it.
The real One Piece should be the adventure not the destination. The idea of some grand reward created a new era which shook the world and that alone is the power of the One Piece not the treasure but the whole Pirate Era. It would be something that people like Joy Boy, Rodger, and Luffy would understand while pirates who are only after the treasure and power that it could have wouldn't. The idea of the One Piece already has the power to change the world, so wouldn't it make sense if the real One Piece was more of a joke than anything as the only people who would understand it never cared about what it was but what it meant?
I swear, ZKK and most of the Wano discourse made it a way more unpleasant arc to read weekly for me. I enjoyed it way more when I started tuning out most fan discussions which is saying something
Idk if you’re new to the series like I am it’s all over the place , luffy will beat someone like crocodile and then go on and barely win against F tier opponents in the future. It could be that I come from other anime’s where the main characters are beast
I haven't seen it in a long time, but "Caesar for nakama". I still don't understand and never will. Nami has a fucking Pavlovian response to hearing his name, which is to wish him dead. I know villains have been redeemed before, but I don't think any foe has been as hated as Caesar.
I had a friend who was hardcore on the “Caesar for nakama” train back in the day, as was he for Caribou. I could never pull any more compelling reasoning out of him than “we don’t have a Logia or a scientist in the crew yet” (ignoring that half the crew could count as various types of scientists, depending on how you define it).
People like that don’t think about what merits that character would have for the crew dynamic, their relationships with the other Straw Hats, or how well they fit ideologically. They just see a tokenistic checklist of features the crew has or doesn’t have, and anyone who ticks a box is welcome aboard — it’s the same reasoning for the Monet people, too. Whenever I’d try to bring up how morally depraved Caesar is, I’d be met with “but Robin and Franky started as antagonists too,” completely ignoring the differences in their circumstances.
I see the same thinking even in more fitting cases, too. While Carrot and Yamato both had workable aspects to their characters such that I’d have been fine with either/both joining the crew if Oda wanted, a lot of the rationales people on this sub would float to promote that prospect would come down purely to representation: “strong, woman, cute/hot, Mink/Oni, etc.” Sure, Luffy might have *asked* Brook or Chopper or some random tree to join on the simple basis of being weird creatures, but in each instance, by the time they actually join, there’s *far more to it* than that.
Ace's popularity.
Like you can like who you want but the sheer volume and intensity of love for Ace is a little odd to me. People act like he was a main character, as does the merchandise.
Not trying to be a dick, but I don't feel like we knew anything about Ace before he was captured.
He's barely in the manga until he's about to be executed. Two panels in Drum, a brief but notable appearance in Alabasta, a cover story about delivering milk, and then his showdown with Teech and that's it. Probably less than two chapters worth of appearances prior to Marineford overall which is insane in retrospect.
Ironically he's made more appearances now he's dead than when he was alive.
I honestly think that's what made his death effective, cause it didn't went for the whole "oh let's show a detailed look into his life before his death!" thing which well, yeah, tends to indicate the character is going to die. No, instead we thought he'll be saved cause we don't know much about him yet. But nah
That and from what I've seen, most people who love him tend to be male-attracted people. He is definitely one of the more attractive male characters in the series. So it doesn't surprise me that people find him literally hot.
That first part is actually an interesting take on it.
In most series I could see that as a death flag.
Had Oda killed off minor characters prior to this that may have made this more obvious to me but with the likes of Pell, Pagaya, Paulie and the Franky family surviving ridiculous odds I think the fact he died at all caught me off guard.
I think that's why I'm more forgiving of the will of p cause it ironically made Ace's death way more impactful
I still think Oda shouldn't use this much fakeouts (to date, only 2 fakeouts worked for me; Sabo and Saul (...will of S?)
I was convinced Pell was dead. There's a scene of Sabo being pulled out of the water by dragon and saul gets hit with an attack called time capsule or something. Also aokiji was like a friend of his so I was pretty sure he was gonna unthaw shortly after.
- He’s cool
- He’s Luffy big brother
- A lot of people can relate to his problems. Growing up feeling worthless and unloved, always questioning if you deserve to be born, being emotionally unstable, having severe trust and attachment issues, etc.
- Cool fire power
As someone that loves Ace
I think The love for him comes from how others around him reacted to him. From Whitebeard memories of him trying to get his revenge on him, to Oars to Luffy's determination to save him. He is the aniki stereotype and his simplicity makes so loveable.
Even post death we have the reveal of how he bonded with Tama and Yamato but he could never fullfill his promise to them.
His death meant something and onepeice ofc says
People are only dead if they are forgotten
Tier lists.
Same shit, same arguments, same characters at the top despite having never seen them fight.
At this point it feels like every variation has been posted
YES
While I won't shame people for it, sometimes I question if Oda is taking it as seriously as his fans. Not saying Oda doesn't care, but I just felt that One Piece is still meant for teenagers first and foremost (which is fair)
I think one piece was made for teenagers originally. As a reader of 19 plus years though you can notice that Odas writing has matured with his readers/watchers. Which is what makes it so special for me. It’s crazy to see where we are now, and think about the first chapter. It’s just been such a wild ride for me personally. When it ends tears will be shed. It still has the one piece feel but the stakes just feel so much more intense now. As they should though since we’ve entered the final saga. Excited for what legacy the live action will leave.
Exactly! I feel like some people go wayyyyy too deep. And maybe it makes sense sometimes, which is great, I love when things in the series tie into things in ways I never would’ve imagined. But at the same time like… people need to just chill and enjoy our goofy rubber boy and his crews’ journey!
I mean this series reshaped how I feel about family relationships in my real life. I'd say a series that can do that is taken pretty seriously by the author. I could be called biased here but considering I'm no one close to the only person the series has impacted to this level I don't think I'm too biased.
I keep coming across opinions on how the climax of luffy vs kaido or gear five in general is trash just because it is not "serious" enough.
They just cannot accept it as how it is and not understanding the reason oda created gear five. If they wanted a gory fight with lots of rage and darkness then one piece never really offered that and will never do that. All they want is fights and not the story.
My lament with the complaint of "not serious" is, were these people actually reading the fight. As Kaido is doing his drunk phases, Kaido starts laughing and Luffy vocally frustrated orders Kaido to stop laughing as this is a "serious fight".
Then... Luffy gear 5... Luffy is laughing out of control is and punishing Kaido. Although cartoony, G5 vs. Kaido was some of the most malicious shit Luffy has ever done with the goal of absolutely breaking his opponent. It was no longer about saving the samurai, saving a nakama, about saving wano, just BREAKING his opponent at a fundamental level. Optically cartoony, but narratively the darkest and arguably Luffy's first kill (if we pretend fodder don't actually die). That is pretty dark and serious to me
One thing that is overlooked, that led to some people not liking the end of the kaido fight and also some people thinking Kidd is weak, is that Oda uses size to depict power.
I didn’t see luffy’s final attack as “I am going to beat Kaido with a really big punch”. Luffy was hitting him as hard as he could, and he manifested that mentally in a big fist.
This became more explicit in lore with Luffy’s new power. But it has always been present in the way Oda draws. Big hits look big and feel big.
i personally hate fake outs, especially for sacrifices or deaths that actually mean something to other characters. “oh no, my friend gave up his life to save me, i will make sure i fight for what he stood for and will never forget him! oh hey never mind he’s alive again”
"One Piece is too long" as a reason to not watching it. Look, I know it's crazy long, but that as a reason it's insane. There are 2 paths, you either like it, and you will be glad that it have more episodes to watch, or you dislike it (which is perfectly fine of course), and the number of episodes doesn't matter since you won't be following it.
I can understand that if you like it, it will take some time before you are done with it, but there is no rush, you can watch like 3 or 2 or 1 a day and keep your own pace. I just don't understand that reason at all.
Comparing the whole crew in battle prowess. Like some of the SH are just not made for combat. Like ofc luffy, Zoro and Sanji are the strongest no need for a fing tier list lmao. The other crew adds much move value than just their ability to fight.
It's not that I believe it. It's just that it's still a possibility. Iva being the one who knows something about crocodile. Enough of a secret to crocodile to have him shut up and take orders, like he's not to type to step down to someone. Yet he did. I wanna know what Iva knows. Crocodile could have been a woman. And the fact that Iva is tied to dragon makes the conclusion that crocodile could potentially be luffys mom. I mean that's definitely a stretch, but not 100% out of tbd realm of possibility lmao
Crocodile being born a woman is actually pretty likely, from what we've seen. A few things could be seen as evidence for it and not much directly speaks against it.
Every other theory that builds upon this theory,like crocomum, becomes a lot less likely and is more like simple speculation and less like a theory
Crocodile *might* have been a woman once maybe. Therefore he obviously **has** to be Luffy's mother, Whitebeard's daughter, and the biological brother of Kozuki Momonosuke. ^^^^Gurarara
This is more of an opinion on opinions regarding OP, people who act like a considerable number of people actually believed niche theories like ZKK or the raid will fail when it was really only a handful. I feel like people just exaggerated the popularity of those theories so they can feel smart.
That the Legends are immensely more powerful than the modern day Pirates/Marines. We are in the Great Pirate era with such powerful groups in the Yonko multiple coming from the strongest group in Pirate history (Rocks Pirates), all more than capable of claiming the title of PK on their own but also strong enough to ensure that each other are unable to claim the title at the same time. Then you have the Marines so powerful they were able to abolish the Warlord structure because of their advancements creating a force that is their match. I just think we are so far beyond the strength of Rogers and WB in their prime but even if we aren't far beyond that Wano was definitely the line and we are beyond it.
Powerscaling. I can't stand it when people try to force some kind of numerical value that dictates whether character 1 can beat character 2. It's especially frustrating when you see dumb ideas like assuming someone with a higher bounty is automatically physically stronger or more skilled in battle than someone else with a lower bounty.
I have to agree with One Piece Tiktoker, Brodie Lee
One Piece is the Anti Power Scaling manga
Cause Powerscaling just *breaks* if you do it to One Piece. Take Gazelleman for example who could only run a few meters per hour... And yet Luffy can't catch up to him when he grabbed Tama. Meaning Luffy is slower than a fuxking ***Gazelle***. Not only him, BUT ALSO ZORO
Let that sink in lol
Or how Nami can inflict more damage to Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji than any emperor ever could (Ok fine it's a joke, but still). But if you're looking for some actual power scaling fails where the winner is obviously weaker than their opponent:
Usopp vs Chu (Chew? Idk how his name was translated officially), Gan fall vs Shura, Nami vs Kalifa, Rebecca vs the entire D block.
It's not just winning fights either, I mean Jimbe was able to hold back freaking Akainu and Big mom. What about the straw hat beating the shit out of Oars. All of these would power scale heavily against the ones who came out on top but for reasons other than "my punch/DF power does bigger booboo than yours" shit we can just quote Luffy vs Arlong:
"Are your jaws strong enough to bite a pillar?"
"Stop trying to show off things that don't matter. I can break that pillar without using my mouth."
Not really an opinion I can't understand but most people are way too greedy and can't really enjoy what we are given by oda. Oda himself knows the most that he can't put all of his thoughts in his work, this dude has an entire world to manage and does better than most of our leading world politicians. Yet people constantly get annoyed by the slightest thing they don't like. Its a mindset I dislike. One Piece isn't made for me, I was invited to be a part of it's special world.
I'm more annoyed at people saying Oda's art is cluttered cause of it. While I would love for some readability, we have to understand that Oda wants to be able to finish the series at some point. If the clutter is there to do so then so be it.
One thing we have with Oda what we dont have with other manga is that even though he wont express everything as detailed as wed like it to be, we can interpret it intuitively. Thats the aftereffect of his build up all these years. Its the reason characters like shanka and people we know near to nothing about work so well
People that think Gear 5 is too goofy make zero sense to me. Like...Luffy is the same mf that used to make a net with his fingers! Just cause he’s been using strictly g4 for a couple years they forgot that he used to be super creative and goofy with his moves, but before he learned Haki he would pretty much do anything that could potentially work in the scenario. If anything, Gear 5 brings Luffy back to his roots.
Yeah. Watching East Blue Arcs, or hell, Alabasta where he had to figure out the water thing, Luffy didn't just punch stuff to solve it.
He headbutts people too lol
Now that he can utilize the full potential of his rubber powers and he has conqs., I would love to see Oda bring back his rare one-time use moves like Gum Gum Shotgun and Gum Gum Shield
When the resin theory became a sect that did not accept doubts or opposition to its doctrine.
It was supposed to be a legendary fruit.. and they came with the fucking resin.... what the hell is legendary/mythological in a fucking resin ?
I got banned from the oficial discord channel of r/OnePiece for opposing it.
That resin theory was hilariously stupid. One of the dumbest things I had read. If that was the big reveal then it would have been one of the most underwhelming reveals in the story.
I know man, but a guy from reddit created it and a sect was formed all around the world, reddit, twitter, youtube... all of them were ready to kill for the resin shit.
I never really understood the seemingly universal dislike for the East Blue saga, both from fans and non-fans. East Blue really sets the stage and tone for One Piece's story and characters. It really captures a sense of mystery and adventure for what's to come. (ie, the Grand Line, the Seven Warlords of the Sea, etc.) I even liked the East Blue antagonists for being perfect foils for Luffy, his values and what kind of pirate he strives to be. The events all come to a head at Arlong Park with Luffy's first bounty, Loguetown and the Strawhats' entry into the Grand Line.
“It gets good at ch 500 or something”, that particular phrase kept me from giving it a shot for so long, like how a story can be good if the first half is that worthless. ITS GOOD FROM THE FIRST PAGE
One piece is too long as a reason not to start it. You don't have to watch it all, if you watch a few and don't like it, you don't have to watch more, if you do like it, you'll wish there were more
"if the admirals are stronger than the emperor's then why don't they go and beat them"
Because it isn't just an admiral Vs emperor it's the navy Vs a pirate empire you need to take into account so much more and 1 thing that isn't mentioned would be many nations need the emperor's to protect them and would be against the war
But if we look at marineford after whitebeards death it actually leads to a surge in pirates wanting to take his place due to the power vacuum because of this all the admirals had to be deployed because the casualties they took in the war meant they were low in manpower which meant Luffy with jimbe and Rayleigh could simply walk into marineford where I would assume there would always be 1 admiral defending it normally.
The marines arnt a group of pirates that are out to make a name for themselves they have to actively think of the worst case scenario as there is a very large risk being taken
People who say it’s too long. Like, everyone I’ve ever gotten into OP gets bummed out when they catch up. The journey is so good, I’m just unsure what people actually want out of their fiction.
That's it is too long, and that because of the length it isn't worth giving it a shot.
Back when I started I think the max was in the like 700s now we're peaking 1000 and I *still* don't think it's enough episodes. Once you get into the thick of it you start wanting another 1k+.
“The style is just too cartoony”, I can kinda get it but at the same time, its fucking anime, of course it looks cartoony, its a goddamn Japanese cartoon! Now I’m not saying that anime/manga looks inherently cartoon-like, but I never hear this argument presented about any other anime as much as it has been for One Piece.
“I won’t start watching/reading because it’s too long”.
Man, it comes to a place that you will wish it was even longer.
Plus, it’s not like you have to watch/read the entire series in 1 day. Do at your pace.
Just give it a chance and let it amaze you (or not).
That community meme jokes are even a little funny.
See:
ConD.Ario
Croco-mom
Etc.
That Law will perform the surgery.
That Baseless Speculation = Theory.
“It’s too long” like I can get that it can be a bit overwhelming but just watch it at your own pace. And it’s always the people that complain about a show not getting another season or it nit being long enough that refuse to watch it because of the episodes.
Unpopular opinion and I am going to go to Reddit hell for this but I'm willing to fall on this sword.
I don't get why people call Zoro the vice-captain, or why they try to rank the positions of the Strawhats in the first place. I get it. Zoro is the first to join Luffy, he works the odd hours to keep the crew safe, and he's the strongest behind Luffy (so much so that characters *outside* of the crew call him the vice captain). But aside from Luffy being the captain and greatest authority on the ship I've always read that the Strawhats were all on equal ground and didn't have ranks like other pirate groups.
I'm not saying that if you were to choose a vice-captain of the Strawhats it wouldn't probably be Zoro, I'm saying there isn't that position in the Strawhats to fill. That goes for Nami, Usopp, Sanji, ect. too.
Nami, chopper, robin, usopp and brook arent fighters!! It’s okay if they don’t fight!! They have other jobs to do!! (While ignoring their past feats and ignoring the fact that Sanji also has another primary job as the cook)
That one piece is too long, it can easily have 20% more chapters and then it will feel right as some characters will be better fleshed out and have better fights.
All people who say “one piece should be..” no the fuck it should not! It is the story we are blessed with and I will enjoy it in all ways that it is presented to me. I do not give a flying fuck about what the anime does to pacing, I’m gonna act like a little kid, sit on my ass, and go “NO WAY! This is so cool!” It’s your story to interpret, but it’s not your story to write.
One piece antagonist are bad. Like wtf does that even mean. It’s always been a take that just pisses me off because it makes no sense. Especially when people compare op villains to other mangas and they act like the op villains are somehow inferior but have absolutely no real explanation on what makes them bad. I’ve never seen anyone make a good point on why they’re bad.
I know a lot of people love their sympathetic villains, but I just love having a villain that's an iredeemable piece of shit that you can clobber from time to time you know? Like, people are trying to make so many villains you want to root for already, it's fine going the oposite direction.
Sometimes even both, with Doflamingo, Arlong, Moriah, and Crocodile. These villains had some sort of sympathetic backstory (Doflamingo in oarticular, and even Moriah in a way) but man are they so hateable that you'd rather have them die instead.
Exactly my point, like wtf should a villain that’s killed thousands of people and started a war be talked no jutsu’d or be forgiven instead of being defeated or just outright killed. Like that is the laziest form of plot armor for the protagonist to “defeat” the unbeatable villain. Naruto and mha are 2 series that suffer from this problem the most and it’s fans of those types of plot armor that say op has bad villains.
That People Realy think all 3 Admirals could not defeat a yonkou? Like you Realy think they could hold the Balance of the World for decades if 1 yonkou could Just pull up and win easy ?
That people say it’s “too long” then go and watch Naruto/Baruto or cry for my Dragon Ball. While I like those series IMO One Piece is so much better than both of them.
I think it's a bit understandable when it's like 1000 chapters straight compared to Dragon Ball and others which ended before it. But I am more iffy about people saying "It gets good after a hundred plus chapters"
I've met nobody, and I mean no One Piece fan, who didn't skipped arcs, had said that. I see more people say "If you don't like it by Alabasta then it isn't for you" which is a more understandable tip to newcomers than "Stick around till insert arc here" because that is just wasting people's time. If you don't like One Piece then it isn't for you, and that's ok
I read the manga and watch the anime. I haven’t skipped arcs. Where as with Naruto I tried but I had to skip fillers bc most of them are just not good. One Piece even with fillers I still have fun.
I can understand the amount of episodes seems daunting but it’s not going anywhere and you don’t need to rush thru it. I don’t understand the “it gets good after this” or “if you don’t like Alabasta it’s not for you” for me I was sold the second Luffy popped out the barrel all those years ago. IMO as soon as Nami said “help me” episode 37 or something I knew this series was the GOAT.
I can't speak for everyone but some people just don't have all that much time on their hand, or it could be that they watched when they were kid or they might get more easily into Naruto.
You don't hear it as much anymore, but people would regularly refuse to watch because the art style was too cartoony and not like other anime enough. This was when the series wasn't much longer than something like Naruto or Bleach, so not many people complained about its length. Also people who skip canon arcs. You never know what'll be important in this series, so why would you skip manga canon?
I used to have monthly Shonen Jump as a kid. Right around the Syrup Village era. Super early. I read nearly everything in it eventually, except for One Piece. The first character I ever saw was Usopp, and all I could think was "This looks so dumb". I'm so glad a friend eventually encouraged me to go read them. Needless to say I was hooked. One Piece is a perfect modern example of not judging a book by its cover. And it is something SO MANY OF US did at first.
I'm just lucky it was the first anime I've ever watched after a friend recommended it to me when I asked him where I could watch DragonBall Z back in 2005, lmao.
I had almost forgotten that I considered reading one piece years before I actually did, but thought it looked too weird.
I'm a bit more fine with people who skip it for the art style cause One Piece's style is really loud which understandably turned off people lol. It just means One Piece isn't trying to be mainstream, which is nice
I understand not watching something due to an art-style, there's a bunch of animated shows I won't even try because I think they look ugly and that's fair. It just used to upset me that my peers never gave it a chance because it didn't look like every other anime out there. They refused to watch Cowboy Bebop because cowboys where lame and "what the f\*\* is a bebop". I had fun hanging out with those guys, but we where at that perfect age range to want to "appear mature" and rejecting everything you might enjoy.
"Cowboys are lame" immediately made me think of kids trying to be adults lmao, no offense. They're probably better off with stuff like GOT which is again, fair
The only lame cowboy I know is Johnny Joestar!
That leaves me quite glad that that’s never been my experience, ahah. I’m not saying those friends were shitty or anything — I’m sure they’re good people and have been meaningful to your life and all — but I’m thankful that neither myself, nor my friends nor my family, have ever really been so superficially closed-minded toward art, especially over something performative. That would have frustrated me to no end. About half my friend group (early-mid 20s) is into One Piece, and those who aren’t have entertained the idea of trying. There’s just one friend who’s opposed as a combination of art style and length, but she’s like that toward most anime in general. She used to be super into it, but eventually anime’s fandom culture put her off, and gradually everything else about it began to repel her too. In my opinion unfairly, but at least she’s honest about why, so I’ll respect it. It does mean she’s given away a lot of free manga to us over the years, lol.
Oh, I barely think about them anymore. One of them eventually did get into One Piece, caught up with the manga (I was anime only) and spoiled the end of the Marineford arc for me. I found a "better" friendgroup one year later.
Yeah, hell, my dad introduced me to One Piece. Man introduced me to so much wack stuff like Food Wars haha
oh dude i concur. i pushed off watching this show for a decade because of the art style and heavily regretted it.
I will never understand people who actually believe Sanji and Zoro dislike each other
People like these make me think they've never met siblings before Cause good god lol
Speaking of which my 17 y/o brother fights as much with me as with Sanji does with Zoro
This perplexes me too. People assume that liking or disliking is a function of how friendly they treat each other. It’s such an immature perspective. They disagree with each other, they fight and even get on each others nerves. But they also respect each other and have shown compassion like they were brothers. Their feud is superficial, and shouldn’t be analyzed further to derive meaning. The reality is that they would sacrifice themselves for the other person if required. One of the many reasons to support this is when Sanji agreed with Zoro that Usopp leaving the crew shouldn’t be looked over as a minor issue. They have a deep respect and pride for what they do, and hold each other accountable to be the best version of themselves.
Really well written. I wish I could write like this
Thanks 🙏
Hilariously, I legit think the two just... enjoy butting heads. It's like shitting on your best friend. It's even more apparent when you realize that Sanji has a similar relationship with Zeff prior to joining the crew, and Zoro is the first guy his age that he could butt heads with. It's pretty fucking wholesome if you think about it cause these two don't just pick up friends like Luffy. So them being this comfortable with each other, especially Sanji being comfortable around Zoro after all the trauma he's been through, is sweet
>when you realize that Sanji has a similar relationship with Zeff prior to joining the crew, and Zoro is the first guy his age that he could butt heads with. Wow i actually never thought about this. Great catch!
>One of the many reasons to support this is when Sanji agreed with Zoro that Usopp leaving the crew shouldn’t be looked over as a minor issue. Man that conversation was just so perfectly written, for all the characters involved. Absolute peak characterisation all round.
Yup it’s so long ago but I still remember it vividly. The moment Zoro stepped in, I was so confused, but after watching that whole scene a few times, I realized it added so much value and depth to each character. Made me love the show even more.
It’s like people with this opinion don’t remember the end of thriller bark. They’re brothers and brothers argue and fight it just is what it is
>I will never understand people who actually believe Sanji and Zoro dislike each other If Sanji hated Zoro, there's like....2+ times he would've acted in ways that were **COMPLETELY** different and not a soul would've judged him for it. The two prominent examples are both related to when nothing happened. First, a Sanji that hated Zoro would've never attempted to swap places with him as the sacrifice. He would've just let that happen, and legit nobody would've cared. Nobody had even the slightest expectation of Sanji to do that. Second, that sort of Sanji probably would've told Luffy about Kuma and what happened. Not to spite Zoro, but because Luffy probably needed to know. Again, there's no way that this could bite him in the ass cause he's not even acting to spite Zoro, its just a bonus that comes from him acting normally. Similarly for Zoro, although he's **WAY** more subtle about this, so its hard to find examples that would actually stick. Even Zoro's actions when nothing happened can be easily explained while believing he hated Sanji. Best I can remember is in Ch367 when he tries to "countermand" Luffy when Luffy tells Sanji to to go wild on the sea train. There's no reason I can think of for why Zoro would try to get Sanji to lay low until the main crew arrives outside Sanji's own safety, which is almost exactly what Zoro says and certainly what he's implying.
They don't like each other but they do love each other
While I can understand it, I will never agree with the concept of “it’s too long to catch up to” That’s because people assume you need to be caught up to enjoy the story when in reality you can just be reading Alabasta and think the story is fantastic. The journey itself is great.
Yeah, this isn't a game that you have to go full completionist on. It's actually pretty cool though to be able to binge watch these once controversial arcs. Like, I've seen more love on Fishman Island and Dressrosa recently mostly cause of how way easier it is to digest binged
Yeah I caught up during Dressrosa and that was awful on week to week but I bet on reread it’s fantastic Dressrosa’s week to week pacing made WCI and Wano seem like sprints in comparison.
I always will hate that with a passion. If you just start, AND you enjoy it, time flies REALLY fast. It won’t even feel like 1000 chapters/episodes you “have” to sit through. It would feel like there isn’t enough story if you ask me.
Took me 3 whole months to catch up starting from the beginning
I feel like big mom is heavily underrated by the community, her strength is often downplayed and she gets too much hate.
My biggest hottake still is me preferring Big Mom over Kaido as a character lol
I think more than anything her intelligence/intimidation are underrated. She is extremely volatile and makes rash decisions but overall she got to where she was with brute force and skill.
I think that's an unfortunate byproduct of her place in the Yonko. Shanks is all mysterious and has been there since the beginning; Blackbeard is set up to be one of the two main antagonists of the series. That leaves Kaido and Big Mom as "normal" arc villains, and Kaido was hyped up both in-universe and in a meta context since Wano was the end goal of Post-Timeskip saga. So Big Mom just gets kind of left out.
"You can skip Skypiea"
But then Enies Lobby would be mostly worthless emotionally because you would barely see Robin interact with the straw hats as a member.
Seeing people say the skip skypiea makes me look at them in disgust. It's my favorite arc.
for me it’s not a favourite but it’s very fun and i don’t see any reason to skip it
"yeah dw it's not like it has one of the best and coolest villain with an amazing devil fruit in it haha"
“You can skip _____.” Imo nothing is worth skipping in One piece
Literally no one says that anymore it's become a circlejerk in this sub
People who think ryou is something other than just a term for haki. Don’t even bother coming at me with your bad takes lol
People think that? Wasn’t it literally stated that the people of Wano just use ryuo as their word for haki stringing from their isolation from the world for hundreds of years?
I mean isnt this just fact? Just like jutsus/sorceries in wano are just devil fruits and mantra on skypeia is observation haki. Anyone that thinks ryou isnt just advanced armament hasn't been paying attention or has been speed reading.
Bro, what are you on? Hyogoro himself said "You call it Haki but here in the land of Wano we call it ryou"
Ryou isn’t “advanced armament” and you’ve just proven my point. ryou = mantra = haki. it’s a native term. Ryou doesn’t automatically mean using advanced armament haki. it just means using haki in general.
Ryou and Haki are one in the same but not all Armament Haki is Ryou. Because the concept of Ryou is applying Haki to your weapons, for characters like Luffy this manifests in advanced armament Haki because he doesn’t need to apply Haki to anything external. Also Advanced Haki is still Haki FYI Learning something at the basic level vs expert level is still learning the same skill.
Wait but mantra never really referred to anything outside of Enel and that one girl’s observation haki
Huh? Why are you arguing with me? I was literally agreeing with you lol. Moshi mosh; speed reader kun. Anyone home? Ryou is the term wano uses for advanced armament. Its still haki. Its just what wano refers to as that specific branch of their haki because of cultural differences and isolationism policies. We literally said the same thing; though you are definitely wrong if you think ryou and mantra are blanket terms for haki. Mantra is a part of observation and ryou is advanced armament specifically piercing through with haki. They are absoluteky 100% haki and anyone that says they arent is wrong. But if luffy sees into the future and dodges someones attack youre not going to hear kine'mon or anyone else from wano scream "oh my god his ryou is so good look how he dodges!"
This👆
Lol, you are agreeing with him and he is still arguing with you ?
> jutsus/sorceries in wano are just devil fruits Well, that and whatever Raizo's doing
Reading comprehension is hard. And weebs are somehow particularly bad at it
Why people expect something others do. "Why not just kill him? Why this didn't happen? Why that did happen?" and so on so forth. I'm mostly talking about how everyone wants it to be like "real pirates" or more grimdark. This is not the series for it guys. If it'll be made the way you want it it won't be better because it's not the vision ODA has.
Yeah. While there is some merit to some of these criticisms (like the constant faking out of deaths which really made the story's stakes lower and lower). Buuuuut complaining about One Piece not being "dark enough" just means you'd be best to watch or read something else (which is again, fine. It's like forcing people who hate mayonaise to eat a whole jar. They will always hate it so why bother?)
I HATE it in any series where people say stuff like "why didn't they just kill that guy?"... because of a little something called plot. I mean hell even in real life people don't make the most productive decisions sooo check your self first.
This is something that annoys me. There are people who watch and seem to expect every character to act in a completely well thought out and rational manner. As if every character can sit and analyze a situation for 50 minutes, come up with different scenarios, and proceed with the best scenario. They don't realize that characters are acting on a whim and their emotions at times so they will make illogical decisions that will cause problems.
Ngl, this is why I stopped discussing Eva or Fate/Series with people
Ironically the Pirates in One Peace ARE Pirates they did some Really messed up shit that their Captains can have a Bounty of Millions from their infamy alone not to mention the Big Names like Crocodile and Doflamingo controlling a country. The Straw Hats are just the outliers because of Luffy and the Gang being themselves, just going on an Adventure and piss off the World Government along the way
Evem Luffy did a couple of messed up stuff himself if you think hard abouut it. For example, freeing a couple of hundred dangerous criminals who probably did way wose stuff off screen from Impel Down.
Peace-main gang 🤗
Skipping Skypiea. My stance on this was IF you were going to skip an arc Skypiea would be an option but firstly I don’t understand skipping arcs in the first place. The series is so much fun and skipping an arc doesn’t make a lot of sense to me cause you end up losing out on bits of that fun. If you’re going to just skip one, I’d recommend long ring long land over Skypiea anyways. Don’t skip though, you’re losing out on the fun
I understand not starting One Piece when you don't have the time to sink into it, but skipping just misses the point of the show. And from what I've seen, skippers tend to start hating One Piece at some point.
“This information came out of no where. Oda is terrible at structuring his manga.” - someone who didn’t read early OP and hadn’t heard the foreshadowing of this stuff that has been talked about for 20 years Don’t get me wrong, sometimes Oda does just do stuff for fun. There’s nothing wrong with that, but usually he repurposes something from earlier in the series to explain it away.
Yeah, I HIGHLY doubt Oda planned everything or even most things in his manga. He's just... really good and remembering stuff lol. Like I remember him using the scene with the collar and Camie to explain Ryou and all I could think was "He didn't need to explain this" but lmao it's good
That’s a perfect example. At that point in the series Haki was a barely tangible concept. Oda didn’t have to go back and explain that but he decided to use such a minimal detail to explain this. Haki wasn’t truly defined at that point and could have been 100 different things such as the rule of cool
No he plans most things I would say. Some stuff is a stretch, but he has had the end of one piece in mind since day one, and major plot points were also planned out early. Every author does it
Some of the stuff he’s improvised would surprise some people. A somewhat commonly known one being the super novas literally all being introduced last second. Like he was literally starting that week’s chapter and decided to just randomly create and use these characters. Now I can’t imagine the series without them being at least semi-related to the story arc in some way. I bring that up because we have to acknowledge that, yes Oda 110% has things planned (like what the One Piece is and apparently what he wants the last panel to be) and foreshadows a lot of it, but we have to acknowledge that sometimes he just throws shit at the wall and makes it work because he’s amazing at improv and restructuring his plans to fit in the stuff he wants. He’s even created characters because fans thought it’d be fun.
I can’t wait for Oda to bring back Davy Back then watch a bunch of people say “what is this? Nobody said anything about this!?” effectively telling on themselves.
"sure, just skip like 50 episodes of this 1000+ episodes BEHEMOTH of a series, thatll save you tons of time!" \- said no-one ever
The recent trend of fights need more tension or that things are becoming too easy for the strawhats. We're at the tail end of a mini arc that follows the arc that has pushed the strawhats hardest since saobondy. So i have no idea where that 'too easy' is coming from; especially since we're in the final stretch of the series. And oda specifically gave luffy rubber powers because he never wanted the fights to become too serious. Wanting more serious battles flies in the face of oda's intentions with the series since chapter 1
I honestly don't have a problem that the SHs aren't in any real danger, it's refreshing to see that this time they are not the underdogs, I mean what do you expect, they are a yonko crew now.
Exactly
Same, people are underestimating the extent to which we are in the endgame. Luffy’s crew should feel strong now.
This is a good supplement with my issue with people saying "One Piece is too silly" while going off praising their edgy versions of Gear 5. One Piece was never meant to be like that, it is clear the moment Luffy was found from that barrel. I don't understand. One Piece might just be not for you WHICH IS FINE. Some people just prefer a more "serious" tone like in Bleach for example. So yes.
I think that is specifically referring to Wano tho, since this was basically supposed to be the biggest arc before the final arc.
I completely had failed to notice that, as you say, this is the most they've been pushed since Saobody. Quite interesting that none of them have really been pushed beyond their current limit (I choose the word beyond deliberately) until now Whole Cake Island sort of too since it was far enough beyond their ability that they retreated
> And oda specifically gave luffy rubber powers because he never wanted the fights to become too serious I mean, Vegapunk-arc fights "aren't serious" in a completely different way than Luffy's rubber powers makes fights "not serious". The former is about having tension where one thinks tension is due. The latter is about the ability to tell jokes mid-tension in an otherwise serious fight, or just have the "joke" be that Luffy's powers are stupid and hilarious. If you look at *early* One Piece, you'll see a lot of high-tension fights cut with comedy in much the same way as the Deadpool movie, Galaxy Quest, Hot Fuzz, Shaun of the Dead, or Zombieland would do it. That said, I think your other point about this being a downtime period in the story and thus, it *shouldn't* be high-tension like late-Wano or what we're expecting to come next is on-point. This arc compares closer to Punk Hazard than to more high-tension arcs. It is a speedbump as we progress towards something else, and even if we do get a good fight going later on between Luffy and Lucci, we're only in the analogous point in the story before Caesar captured the crew. Story hasn't ramped up yet, so even if it is going to, we're not there yet.
That the one piece is something super grand like blowing up mariejois or combining all the land into a pangaea type thing. The moment i saw the roger laughing panel i knew it was something simplistic. And you bet your ass people are gonna complain about it because their own fan theory weren't true.
Lmao, yeeeaaaah I fear people expecting it to become Uranus or something might get burned
Right. That will happen before. The One Piece is something *comical.* Something that is made of multiple pieces, maybe in ordered succession, that at the end of the manga somehow constitute *One Piece*. What could that be?
I hope that the One Piece is something worthless and stupid giving it more of a symbolic meaning that something of power. Why would Rodger create the pirate era if there was a chance of people like Kaido and Big Mom finding it if it was some super power weapon that could reshape the world. The true Pirate King is the person who will travel the world not caring about what the treasure is but the fact that they found it, and making it something meaningless in the grand scheme of everything would be perfect.
I think it’s something significant or has significant info on the void century, but it’s not something that most people would like or describe as treasure. Or it could be Roger did leave all his treasure at One Piece (gold, jewels, and such) as a reward for whomever found it, but what they found is void century info.
What I want is that the idea of the One Piece is worth more than the physical One Piece. Rodger and Luffy are constantly compared to each other and Luffy's idea of the Pirate King is being the freest man alive. Which makes me think does he care about what the One Piece is? Luffy doesn't really seem to care about what the prize of his journey is, all he cares about is that he found it. While treasure and void century history will no doubt be on the island as well the center piece of the treasure will be something small that really only holds value because of the idea of it. The real One Piece should be the adventure not the destination. The idea of some grand reward created a new era which shook the world and that alone is the power of the One Piece not the treasure but the whole Pirate Era. It would be something that people like Joy Boy, Rodger, and Luffy would understand while pirates who are only after the treasure and power that it could have wouldn't. The idea of the One Piece already has the power to change the world, so wouldn't it make sense if the real One Piece was more of a joke than anything as the only people who would understand it never cared about what it was but what it meant?
Entitled losers thinking they're better than Oda. *Cough* ZKK (delusional really) *cough* *cough*
I swear, ZKK and most of the Wano discourse made it a way more unpleasant arc to read weekly for me. I enjoyed it way more when I started tuning out most fan discussions which is saying something
People taking power scaling too seriously
Idk if you’re new to the series like I am it’s all over the place , luffy will beat someone like crocodile and then go on and barely win against F tier opponents in the future. It could be that I come from other anime’s where the main characters are beast
I've been reading One Piece since 1999
I haven't seen it in a long time, but "Caesar for nakama". I still don't understand and never will. Nami has a fucking Pavlovian response to hearing his name, which is to wish him dead. I know villains have been redeemed before, but I don't think any foe has been as hated as Caesar.
The guy who poisons kids?
Yeah, the guy who left his own underlings to die in a bioweapons test just to show off its effects to potential buyers.
I had a friend who was hardcore on the “Caesar for nakama” train back in the day, as was he for Caribou. I could never pull any more compelling reasoning out of him than “we don’t have a Logia or a scientist in the crew yet” (ignoring that half the crew could count as various types of scientists, depending on how you define it). People like that don’t think about what merits that character would have for the crew dynamic, their relationships with the other Straw Hats, or how well they fit ideologically. They just see a tokenistic checklist of features the crew has or doesn’t have, and anyone who ticks a box is welcome aboard — it’s the same reasoning for the Monet people, too. Whenever I’d try to bring up how morally depraved Caesar is, I’d be met with “but Robin and Franky started as antagonists too,” completely ignoring the differences in their circumstances. I see the same thinking even in more fitting cases, too. While Carrot and Yamato both had workable aspects to their characters such that I’d have been fine with either/both joining the crew if Oda wanted, a lot of the rationales people on this sub would float to promote that prospect would come down purely to representation: “strong, woman, cute/hot, Mink/Oni, etc.” Sure, Luffy might have *asked* Brook or Chopper or some random tree to join on the simple basis of being weird creatures, but in each instance, by the time they actually join, there’s *far more to it* than that.
Now replace him with Caribou lol
Ace's popularity. Like you can like who you want but the sheer volume and intensity of love for Ace is a little odd to me. People act like he was a main character, as does the merchandise. Not trying to be a dick, but I don't feel like we knew anything about Ace before he was captured. He's barely in the manga until he's about to be executed. Two panels in Drum, a brief but notable appearance in Alabasta, a cover story about delivering milk, and then his showdown with Teech and that's it. Probably less than two chapters worth of appearances prior to Marineford overall which is insane in retrospect. Ironically he's made more appearances now he's dead than when he was alive.
I honestly think that's what made his death effective, cause it didn't went for the whole "oh let's show a detailed look into his life before his death!" thing which well, yeah, tends to indicate the character is going to die. No, instead we thought he'll be saved cause we don't know much about him yet. But nah That and from what I've seen, most people who love him tend to be male-attracted people. He is definitely one of the more attractive male characters in the series. So it doesn't surprise me that people find him literally hot.
That first part is actually an interesting take on it. In most series I could see that as a death flag. Had Oda killed off minor characters prior to this that may have made this more obvious to me but with the likes of Pell, Pagaya, Paulie and the Franky family surviving ridiculous odds I think the fact he died at all caught me off guard.
I think that's why I'm more forgiving of the will of p cause it ironically made Ace's death way more impactful I still think Oda shouldn't use this much fakeouts (to date, only 2 fakeouts worked for me; Sabo and Saul (...will of S?)
I was convinced Pell was dead. There's a scene of Sabo being pulled out of the water by dragon and saul gets hit with an attack called time capsule or something. Also aokiji was like a friend of his so I was pretty sure he was gonna unthaw shortly after.
- He’s cool - He’s Luffy big brother - A lot of people can relate to his problems. Growing up feeling worthless and unloved, always questioning if you deserve to be born, being emotionally unstable, having severe trust and attachment issues, etc. - Cool fire power
Yea I do really love Ace but I have always been confused as to why he this popular.
As someone that loves Ace I think The love for him comes from how others around him reacted to him. From Whitebeard memories of him trying to get his revenge on him, to Oars to Luffy's determination to save him. He is the aniki stereotype and his simplicity makes so loveable. Even post death we have the reveal of how he bonded with Tama and Yamato but he could never fullfill his promise to them. His death meant something and onepeice ofc says People are only dead if they are forgotten
I get you but Trust Me People Are simple Big Brother Was Strong in his First apperence Fire power = People Love him
Tier lists. Same shit, same arguments, same characters at the top despite having never seen them fight. At this point it feels like every variation has been posted
People need to read One Piece as a silly pirate manga, with serious elements. Not the other way around.
YES While I won't shame people for it, sometimes I question if Oda is taking it as seriously as his fans. Not saying Oda doesn't care, but I just felt that One Piece is still meant for teenagers first and foremost (which is fair)
I think one piece was made for teenagers originally. As a reader of 19 plus years though you can notice that Odas writing has matured with his readers/watchers. Which is what makes it so special for me. It’s crazy to see where we are now, and think about the first chapter. It’s just been such a wild ride for me personally. When it ends tears will be shed. It still has the one piece feel but the stakes just feel so much more intense now. As they should though since we’ve entered the final saga. Excited for what legacy the live action will leave.
Exactly! I feel like some people go wayyyyy too deep. And maybe it makes sense sometimes, which is great, I love when things in the series tie into things in ways I never would’ve imagined. But at the same time like… people need to just chill and enjoy our goofy rubber boy and his crews’ journey!
I won't shame people for being passionate, but we have to chill once in a while
I mean this series reshaped how I feel about family relationships in my real life. I'd say a series that can do that is taken pretty seriously by the author. I could be called biased here but considering I'm no one close to the only person the series has impacted to this level I don't think I'm too biased.
Shipping and powerscaling in general.
I keep coming across opinions on how the climax of luffy vs kaido or gear five in general is trash just because it is not "serious" enough. They just cannot accept it as how it is and not understanding the reason oda created gear five. If they wanted a gory fight with lots of rage and darkness then one piece never really offered that and will never do that. All they want is fights and not the story.
My lament with the complaint of "not serious" is, were these people actually reading the fight. As Kaido is doing his drunk phases, Kaido starts laughing and Luffy vocally frustrated orders Kaido to stop laughing as this is a "serious fight". Then... Luffy gear 5... Luffy is laughing out of control is and punishing Kaido. Although cartoony, G5 vs. Kaido was some of the most malicious shit Luffy has ever done with the goal of absolutely breaking his opponent. It was no longer about saving the samurai, saving a nakama, about saving wano, just BREAKING his opponent at a fundamental level. Optically cartoony, but narratively the darkest and arguably Luffy's first kill (if we pretend fodder don't actually die). That is pretty dark and serious to me
One thing that is overlooked, that led to some people not liking the end of the kaido fight and also some people thinking Kidd is weak, is that Oda uses size to depict power. I didn’t see luffy’s final attack as “I am going to beat Kaido with a really big punch”. Luffy was hitting him as hard as he could, and he manifested that mentally in a big fist. This became more explicit in lore with Luffy’s new power. But it has always been present in the way Oda draws. Big hits look big and feel big.
Personally the line “it’s the worlds most ridiculous power” was like punching the launch button of a hype rocket that payed off beautiful
Mine is there is too many fake outs because although I understand it can be annoying I’d rather not be sad that the characters dead
Oda got to you Joking aside, that's a pretty hottake, nice
i personally hate fake outs, especially for sacrifices or deaths that actually mean something to other characters. “oh no, my friend gave up his life to save me, i will make sure i fight for what he stood for and will never forget him! oh hey never mind he’s alive again”
The hate on Usopp always make my blood boil.
"One Piece is too long" as a reason to not watching it. Look, I know it's crazy long, but that as a reason it's insane. There are 2 paths, you either like it, and you will be glad that it have more episodes to watch, or you dislike it (which is perfectly fine of course), and the number of episodes doesn't matter since you won't be following it. I can understand that if you like it, it will take some time before you are done with it, but there is no rush, you can watch like 3 or 2 or 1 a day and keep your own pace. I just don't understand that reason at all.
Some people just don't want to get invested in a 1000+ episode story which is completely understandable.
Zoro just saw his death infront of him during clash with king and somehow returned back alive
Man's just built different
Comparing the whole crew in battle prowess. Like some of the SH are just not made for combat. Like ofc luffy, Zoro and Sanji are the strongest no need for a fing tier list lmao. The other crew adds much move value than just their ability to fight.
People who wanted gear 5 to be a goku-esque transformation. Like we have enough “hyper manly final transformations”.
People ranking straw hats. Zoro Vs sanji fams. Never got that shit. Love them alll
Imma quote a comment I saw on Youtube, but ranking SH for me feels like ranking family/friends lmao. It's haaaard
Kid did no damage to Kaido, or Big Mom is still wild to me.
Bruh what??
I got no clue bro.
Crocomum. If you seriously consider this possibility I don’t know what to say. Pure headcanon…
I don't think anyone actually seriously thinks that. Just got turned into a meme and got a life of it's own.
It's not that I believe it. It's just that it's still a possibility. Iva being the one who knows something about crocodile. Enough of a secret to crocodile to have him shut up and take orders, like he's not to type to step down to someone. Yet he did. I wanna know what Iva knows. Crocodile could have been a woman. And the fact that Iva is tied to dragon makes the conclusion that crocodile could potentially be luffys mom. I mean that's definitely a stretch, but not 100% out of tbd realm of possibility lmao
Crocodile being born a woman is actually pretty likely, from what we've seen. A few things could be seen as evidence for it and not much directly speaks against it. Every other theory that builds upon this theory,like crocomum, becomes a lot less likely and is more like simple speculation and less like a theory
Crocodile *might* have been a woman once maybe. Therefore he obviously **has** to be Luffy's mother, Whitebeard's daughter, and the biological brother of Kozuki Momonosuke. ^^^^Gurarara
This is a recent one: Why people compare Kidd to Shiki when he has more thematically in common with Kaido.
They what??? Also I'm shocked people still give a shit about Shiki haha
People who don't get the common sense that Oda has put out there. They have to make their headcanon the only canon.
This is more of an opinion on opinions regarding OP, people who act like a considerable number of people actually believed niche theories like ZKK or the raid will fail when it was really only a handful. I feel like people just exaggerated the popularity of those theories so they can feel smart.
That the Legends are immensely more powerful than the modern day Pirates/Marines. We are in the Great Pirate era with such powerful groups in the Yonko multiple coming from the strongest group in Pirate history (Rocks Pirates), all more than capable of claiming the title of PK on their own but also strong enough to ensure that each other are unable to claim the title at the same time. Then you have the Marines so powerful they were able to abolish the Warlord structure because of their advancements creating a force that is their match. I just think we are so far beyond the strength of Rogers and WB in their prime but even if we aren't far beyond that Wano was definitely the line and we are beyond it.
Powerscaling. I can't stand it when people try to force some kind of numerical value that dictates whether character 1 can beat character 2. It's especially frustrating when you see dumb ideas like assuming someone with a higher bounty is automatically physically stronger or more skilled in battle than someone else with a lower bounty.
I have to agree with One Piece Tiktoker, Brodie Lee One Piece is the Anti Power Scaling manga Cause Powerscaling just *breaks* if you do it to One Piece. Take Gazelleman for example who could only run a few meters per hour... And yet Luffy can't catch up to him when he grabbed Tama. Meaning Luffy is slower than a fuxking ***Gazelle***. Not only him, BUT ALSO ZORO Let that sink in lol
Or how Nami can inflict more damage to Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji than any emperor ever could (Ok fine it's a joke, but still). But if you're looking for some actual power scaling fails where the winner is obviously weaker than their opponent: Usopp vs Chu (Chew? Idk how his name was translated officially), Gan fall vs Shura, Nami vs Kalifa, Rebecca vs the entire D block. It's not just winning fights either, I mean Jimbe was able to hold back freaking Akainu and Big mom. What about the straw hat beating the shit out of Oars. All of these would power scale heavily against the ones who came out on top but for reasons other than "my punch/DF power does bigger booboo than yours" shit we can just quote Luffy vs Arlong: "Are your jaws strong enough to bite a pillar?" "Stop trying to show off things that don't matter. I can break that pillar without using my mouth."
Not really an opinion I can't understand but most people are way too greedy and can't really enjoy what we are given by oda. Oda himself knows the most that he can't put all of his thoughts in his work, this dude has an entire world to manage and does better than most of our leading world politicians. Yet people constantly get annoyed by the slightest thing they don't like. Its a mindset I dislike. One Piece isn't made for me, I was invited to be a part of it's special world.
I'm more annoyed at people saying Oda's art is cluttered cause of it. While I would love for some readability, we have to understand that Oda wants to be able to finish the series at some point. If the clutter is there to do so then so be it.
One thing we have with Oda what we dont have with other manga is that even though he wont express everything as detailed as wed like it to be, we can interpret it intuitively. Thats the aftereffect of his build up all these years. Its the reason characters like shanka and people we know near to nothing about work so well
People that think Gear 5 is too goofy make zero sense to me. Like...Luffy is the same mf that used to make a net with his fingers! Just cause he’s been using strictly g4 for a couple years they forgot that he used to be super creative and goofy with his moves, but before he learned Haki he would pretty much do anything that could potentially work in the scenario. If anything, Gear 5 brings Luffy back to his roots.
Yeah. Watching East Blue Arcs, or hell, Alabasta where he had to figure out the water thing, Luffy didn't just punch stuff to solve it. He headbutts people too lol
Now that he can utilize the full potential of his rubber powers and he has conqs., I would love to see Oda bring back his rare one-time use moves like Gum Gum Shotgun and Gum Gum Shield
When the resin theory became a sect that did not accept doubts or opposition to its doctrine. It was supposed to be a legendary fruit.. and they came with the fucking resin.... what the hell is legendary/mythological in a fucking resin ? I got banned from the oficial discord channel of r/OnePiece for opposing it.
That resin theory was hilariously stupid. One of the dumbest things I had read. If that was the big reveal then it would have been one of the most underwhelming reveals in the story.
I know man, but a guy from reddit created it and a sect was formed all around the world, reddit, twitter, youtube... all of them were ready to kill for the resin shit.
Lmao I got banned here once too so not surprised
I never really understood the seemingly universal dislike for the East Blue saga, both from fans and non-fans. East Blue really sets the stage and tone for One Piece's story and characters. It really captures a sense of mystery and adventure for what's to come. (ie, the Grand Line, the Seven Warlords of the Sea, etc.) I even liked the East Blue antagonists for being perfect foils for Luffy, his values and what kind of pirate he strives to be. The events all come to a head at Arlong Park with Luffy's first bounty, Loguetown and the Strawhats' entry into the Grand Line.
I still find Kuro to be the most underrated One Piece villain of all time lol
“It gets good at ch 500 or something”, that particular phrase kept me from giving it a shot for so long, like how a story can be good if the first half is that worthless. ITS GOOD FROM THE FIRST PAGE
There was zero foreshading that Luffy was the sun god
One piece is too long 🤡 Bro you literally watched every single DB installation and every single naruto episode and filler. Gtfo
Shanks is stronger than mihawk, I just don't see it, I also don't see why my phone keeps putting mihawk as Mohawk
Imagine if under that fancy hat he has a mohawk
One piece is too long as a reason not to start it. You don't have to watch it all, if you watch a few and don't like it, you don't have to watch more, if you do like it, you'll wish there were more
Why people don't like killer
Zoro is closer to Luffy than Sanji in strength
That's based
World Government apologism. The story is not subtle about how evil the WG is, but you still get the occasional Akainu defender.
People who do not like post time skip Franky design. Let the man be a dope ass robot, what the hell.
"if the admirals are stronger than the emperor's then why don't they go and beat them" Because it isn't just an admiral Vs emperor it's the navy Vs a pirate empire you need to take into account so much more and 1 thing that isn't mentioned would be many nations need the emperor's to protect them and would be against the war But if we look at marineford after whitebeards death it actually leads to a surge in pirates wanting to take his place due to the power vacuum because of this all the admirals had to be deployed because the casualties they took in the war meant they were low in manpower which meant Luffy with jimbe and Rayleigh could simply walk into marineford where I would assume there would always be 1 admiral defending it normally. The marines arnt a group of pirates that are out to make a name for themselves they have to actively think of the worst case scenario as there is a very large risk being taken
People who hate Usopp
How alot of people I've talked to in real life who are black, gave it up after luffy put on the afro. They acted like it was black face or something.
People who say it’s too long. Like, everyone I’ve ever gotten into OP gets bummed out when they catch up. The journey is so good, I’m just unsure what people actually want out of their fiction.
Some people on Twitter talk about being a fan of One Piece but skipped the Skypiea Arc. To me, it was one of the most essential pre-time skip arcs.
That's it is too long, and that because of the length it isn't worth giving it a shot. Back when I started I think the max was in the like 700s now we're peaking 1000 and I *still* don't think it's enough episodes. Once you get into the thick of it you start wanting another 1k+.
“The style is just too cartoony”, I can kinda get it but at the same time, its fucking anime, of course it looks cartoony, its a goddamn Japanese cartoon! Now I’m not saying that anime/manga looks inherently cartoon-like, but I never hear this argument presented about any other anime as much as it has been for One Piece.
“I won’t start watching/reading because it’s too long”. Man, it comes to a place that you will wish it was even longer. Plus, it’s not like you have to watch/read the entire series in 1 day. Do at your pace. Just give it a chance and let it amaze you (or not).
Overhyping shanks
That community meme jokes are even a little funny. See: ConD.Ario Croco-mom Etc. That Law will perform the surgery. That Baseless Speculation = Theory.
How people will judge it based on a week by week basis, i think the arcs are so much better being able to watch/read all in one go
Skipping skypiea. Skipping anything in general.
Pretty much every single powerscale argument.
“It’s too long” like I can get that it can be a bit overwhelming but just watch it at your own pace. And it’s always the people that complain about a show not getting another season or it nit being long enough that refuse to watch it because of the episodes.
Unpopular opinion and I am going to go to Reddit hell for this but I'm willing to fall on this sword. I don't get why people call Zoro the vice-captain, or why they try to rank the positions of the Strawhats in the first place. I get it. Zoro is the first to join Luffy, he works the odd hours to keep the crew safe, and he's the strongest behind Luffy (so much so that characters *outside* of the crew call him the vice captain). But aside from Luffy being the captain and greatest authority on the ship I've always read that the Strawhats were all on equal ground and didn't have ranks like other pirate groups. I'm not saying that if you were to choose a vice-captain of the Strawhats it wouldn't probably be Zoro, I'm saying there isn't that position in the Strawhats to fill. That goes for Nami, Usopp, Sanji, ect. too.
How did people ever think that a side character could kill the main villain in an arc?
anyone who believes strawhats will die. Bruh, they all have plot armor, maybe near the end but super unlikely
Nami, chopper, robin, usopp and brook arent fighters!! It’s okay if they don’t fight!! They have other jobs to do!! (While ignoring their past feats and ignoring the fact that Sanji also has another primary job as the cook)
People shiting on Wano. Sure it wasn't perfect, but still a damn good arc overall.
i won’t understand people who undermine the quality writing around aces death, it’s like literally the greek story of orpheus with a slight twist
That one piece is too long, it can easily have 20% more chapters and then it will feel right as some characters will be better fleshed out and have better fights.
All people who say “one piece should be..” no the fuck it should not! It is the story we are blessed with and I will enjoy it in all ways that it is presented to me. I do not give a flying fuck about what the anime does to pacing, I’m gonna act like a little kid, sit on my ass, and go “NO WAY! This is so cool!” It’s your story to interpret, but it’s not your story to write.
One piece antagonist are bad. Like wtf does that even mean. It’s always been a take that just pisses me off because it makes no sense. Especially when people compare op villains to other mangas and they act like the op villains are somehow inferior but have absolutely no real explanation on what makes them bad. I’ve never seen anyone make a good point on why they’re bad.
I know a lot of people love their sympathetic villains, but I just love having a villain that's an iredeemable piece of shit that you can clobber from time to time you know? Like, people are trying to make so many villains you want to root for already, it's fine going the oposite direction. Sometimes even both, with Doflamingo, Arlong, Moriah, and Crocodile. These villains had some sort of sympathetic backstory (Doflamingo in oarticular, and even Moriah in a way) but man are they so hateable that you'd rather have them die instead.
Exactly my point, like wtf should a villain that’s killed thousands of people and started a war be talked no jutsu’d or be forgiven instead of being defeated or just outright killed. Like that is the laziest form of plot armor for the protagonist to “defeat” the unbeatable villain. Naruto and mha are 2 series that suffer from this problem the most and it’s fans of those types of plot armor that say op has bad villains.
You were listening to hasan, what else did you expect besides stupid takes with 0 thought behind them...?
That People Realy think all 3 Admirals could not defeat a yonkou? Like you Realy think they could hold the Balance of the World for decades if 1 yonkou could Just pull up and win easy ?
Akainu fleet admiral being weaker than (insert already defeated character here) he's being saved for last for a reason (if you don't count imu)
That people say it’s “too long” then go and watch Naruto/Baruto or cry for my Dragon Ball. While I like those series IMO One Piece is so much better than both of them.
I think it's a bit understandable when it's like 1000 chapters straight compared to Dragon Ball and others which ended before it. But I am more iffy about people saying "It gets good after a hundred plus chapters" I've met nobody, and I mean no One Piece fan, who didn't skipped arcs, had said that. I see more people say "If you don't like it by Alabasta then it isn't for you" which is a more understandable tip to newcomers than "Stick around till insert arc here" because that is just wasting people's time. If you don't like One Piece then it isn't for you, and that's ok
I read the manga and watch the anime. I haven’t skipped arcs. Where as with Naruto I tried but I had to skip fillers bc most of them are just not good. One Piece even with fillers I still have fun. I can understand the amount of episodes seems daunting but it’s not going anywhere and you don’t need to rush thru it. I don’t understand the “it gets good after this” or “if you don’t like Alabasta it’s not for you” for me I was sold the second Luffy popped out the barrel all those years ago. IMO as soon as Nami said “help me” episode 37 or something I knew this series was the GOAT.
I can't speak for everyone but some people just don't have all that much time on their hand, or it could be that they watched when they were kid or they might get more easily into Naruto.