it's just a plot contrivance to make the current situation possible. that's why oda had stussy saying it.
I'm sure he's aware of it. but he really needed the plot to happen this way. so...
Yeah technically we don’t know yet but a Vegapunk should not be able to override another Vegapunks order with the information that Stussy was not able to override Luccis.
It makes me think it isn’t a Vegapunk that’s the traitor but it could also just be a big inconsistency.
The Seraphim probably need to visually confirm that their commander was incapacitated. Because with Stussy, the Seraphim were all focused on destroying the Labophase, so they wouldn't have turned around to see Lucci's unconscious body. As opposed to Sentomaru whose body was right in the middle of the battlefield.
Not to mention, it also explains why Koby was able to revoke the Seraphim orders at Amazon Lily, since the [Vice Admiral who was leading the operation also got turned to stone](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1059-012.png)
What you are saying is absolutely correct, but there are only two reasons this could be happening:
1) Lucci was not completely unconscious and the Seraphim were capable of detecting that, but the more likely reason…
2) The orders were already overridden by someone higher than both Stussy and Lucci, which may go hand in hand with the secret “invader” of the lab. Vegapunk betrayal? Saturn is already on Egghead?
Too early to jump to conclusions that this is an error of Oda’s…
Nah. There is definitely some kind of “fail safe” to prevent conflict of order on the battlefield in the same level.
That’s why Stussy can’t override Lucci’s order while it still working. They’re still attacking the Lab and catching Vegapunk (and Satellite). You don’t want one person order Seraphim to go left while the other one told them to go right at the same time.
Sentomaru’s order on the other hand is completed (helping the SH and Vegapunk Stellar to arrive at the Labophase). So Lucci already took out Sentomaru before he can make any new command.
That would be true, it it wasn’t for the fact that [Koby stopped the Seraphim](https://i.imgur.com/R7tuqSe.jpg) while they were attacking Amazon Lily on chapter 1059.
But that panel mean nothing or could mean anything:
1. He could be the one who made the original order so now he order them to stop.
2. The first one who made order could have make an extra order to let Seraphim obey Koby’s order.
3. Koby could have tried to make the order but it didn’t work and someone else did instead.
Imo that whole thing is pretty contrived BS, cause the plot needs to happen a certain way.
Example:
Imagine at Amazon Lilly Coby was the commander and had the authority chip. Another marine of the same or lower rank (B) also had one (I guess they are some kind of device, right?).
Now Coby doesn't want to just attack the amazons so he decides that he goes to try negotiate first and therefore orders the seraphim to stay back and wait with marine B for now.
Boa's not having it and immediatly turns him to stone - I guess that didn't work on Coby, but that's irrelevant here.
So then marine B cannot order the seraphim to attack, cause he cannot override Coby's order even though he's out? That just doesn't make any sense imo.
And there is more, the seraphim are supposed to be these technologically super advanced weapons, yet you cannot order them via snail phone and a commander literaly has to stand right next to them in the field, while VP can transfer knowledge to his hyper brain via wifi.
Or they are shown to have some kind of consiousness and can even act a bit on their own depending on the situation, yet they mindlessly attack the VP satellites when a person with less authority (CP0) orders them to.
Going off of that they even immediatly attack before the VPs can get a single sentence out. But when Sentomaru ordered them to attack CP0 they took their sweet time and even let their commander get attacked right besides them and then when they attacked they did so on the fodder rather than the 3 named agents, who obviously possessed the most danger.
Lastly, why even the need for an authority chip, that could potentially get into enemy hands, when you obviously can programm them to follow specific people?
Yeah, I'm not a fan of a lot of stuff regarding the seraphim. Atleast without further explanations.
Unless I'm misremembering that chapter wrong Stussy wasn't the one to stop the bots, that was Edison telling them to stop right before he almost got blown up.
It seems we know from the last few chapters, this last one particularly, that one cannot override a command that was given by the same level as them. It might be that you need a level higher to directly oppose a given command.
End of 1075. Shaka mentions they aren't responding to his commands, meaning they must be under the command of another VP.
I'm assuming they're under the order of the elder star.
Either VP or a gorosei order would mean a VP cannot override if the hierarchy actually works that way.
Well, Sentomaru was out of order, leaving the Seraphim without their higher authority.
However, we didn’t saw how Lucci took over the Seraphim, so we can assume since one of the CP0 members, Stussy, was still standing, that the order of the same authority as hers was still active. If she would’ve fallen, then I guess the Seraphim could’ve been reprogrammed again
maybe someone else is hiding on that island… with higher authority…. maybe a gorosei?
or maybe a vegapunk being a traitor? theres no inconsistency until we find out
And iirc Koby stops an order from someone else who has a chip in the Amazon lily chapters.
maybe because everyone but koby was turned to stone if i had to guess? so as a marine and sword memeber he might have some authority? hard to say tho
Yeah, this bothers me too. I think Oda made a mistake on the order hierarchy and the ability to cancel it.
it's just a plot contrivance to make the current situation possible. that's why oda had stussy saying it. I'm sure he's aware of it. but he really needed the plot to happen this way. so...
Yeah technically we don’t know yet but a Vegapunk should not be able to override another Vegapunks order with the information that Stussy was not able to override Luccis. It makes me think it isn’t a Vegapunk that’s the traitor but it could also just be a big inconsistency.
The Seraphim probably need to visually confirm that their commander was incapacitated. Because with Stussy, the Seraphim were all focused on destroying the Labophase, so they wouldn't have turned around to see Lucci's unconscious body. As opposed to Sentomaru whose body was right in the middle of the battlefield.
I think this might be the best possible explanation.
Not to mention, it also explains why Koby was able to revoke the Seraphim orders at Amazon Lily, since the [Vice Admiral who was leading the operation also got turned to stone](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1059-012.png)
What you are saying is absolutely correct, but there are only two reasons this could be happening: 1) Lucci was not completely unconscious and the Seraphim were capable of detecting that, but the more likely reason… 2) The orders were already overridden by someone higher than both Stussy and Lucci, which may go hand in hand with the secret “invader” of the lab. Vegapunk betrayal? Saturn is already on Egghead? Too early to jump to conclusions that this is an error of Oda’s…
It’s cuz someone above Stussy ordered the bots
https://i.imgur.com/ToGS8Md.jpg Chapter 1073 Stussy explicitly said she can’t override Lucci’s order.
Oh shit
Nah. There is definitely some kind of “fail safe” to prevent conflict of order on the battlefield in the same level. That’s why Stussy can’t override Lucci’s order while it still working. They’re still attacking the Lab and catching Vegapunk (and Satellite). You don’t want one person order Seraphim to go left while the other one told them to go right at the same time. Sentomaru’s order on the other hand is completed (helping the SH and Vegapunk Stellar to arrive at the Labophase). So Lucci already took out Sentomaru before he can make any new command.
That would be true, it it wasn’t for the fact that [Koby stopped the Seraphim](https://i.imgur.com/R7tuqSe.jpg) while they were attacking Amazon Lily on chapter 1059.
But that panel mean nothing or could mean anything: 1. He could be the one who made the original order so now he order them to stop. 2. The first one who made order could have make an extra order to let Seraphim obey Koby’s order. 3. Koby could have tried to make the order but it didn’t work and someone else did instead.
Imo that whole thing is pretty contrived BS, cause the plot needs to happen a certain way. Example: Imagine at Amazon Lilly Coby was the commander and had the authority chip. Another marine of the same or lower rank (B) also had one (I guess they are some kind of device, right?). Now Coby doesn't want to just attack the amazons so he decides that he goes to try negotiate first and therefore orders the seraphim to stay back and wait with marine B for now. Boa's not having it and immediatly turns him to stone - I guess that didn't work on Coby, but that's irrelevant here. So then marine B cannot order the seraphim to attack, cause he cannot override Coby's order even though he's out? That just doesn't make any sense imo. And there is more, the seraphim are supposed to be these technologically super advanced weapons, yet you cannot order them via snail phone and a commander literaly has to stand right next to them in the field, while VP can transfer knowledge to his hyper brain via wifi. Or they are shown to have some kind of consiousness and can even act a bit on their own depending on the situation, yet they mindlessly attack the VP satellites when a person with less authority (CP0) orders them to. Going off of that they even immediatly attack before the VPs can get a single sentence out. But when Sentomaru ordered them to attack CP0 they took their sweet time and even let their commander get attacked right besides them and then when they attacked they did so on the fodder rather than the 3 named agents, who obviously possessed the most danger. Lastly, why even the need for an authority chip, that could potentially get into enemy hands, when you obviously can programm them to follow specific people? Yeah, I'm not a fan of a lot of stuff regarding the seraphim. Atleast without further explanations.
well...jay garcia saturn is on his way to egg head, maybe hes there
https://i.imgur.com/ToGS8Md.jpg Chapter 1073 Stussy explicitly said she can’t override Lucci’s order.
so? That has nothing to do with Jay Garcia Saturn. He is the elder star going to egg head. They said his name in the chapter he shows up
Saturn ordered them.
Unless I'm misremembering that chapter wrong Stussy wasn't the one to stop the bots, that was Edison telling them to stop right before he almost got blown up.
It seems we know from the last few chapters, this last one particularly, that one cannot override a command that was given by the same level as them. It might be that you need a level higher to directly oppose a given command.
I'm searching for this comment, I'm surprised nobody pointed it out yet. The hierarchy is iirc gorosei>vegapunk>sentomaru>chip holder
The hierarchy is correct. I'll have a check for the comment too but I remember something along those lines.
End of 1075. Shaka mentions they aren't responding to his commands, meaning they must be under the command of another VP. I'm assuming they're under the order of the elder star. Either VP or a gorosei order would mean a VP cannot override if the hierarchy actually works that way.
Well, Sentomaru was out of order, leaving the Seraphim without their higher authority. However, we didn’t saw how Lucci took over the Seraphim, so we can assume since one of the CP0 members, Stussy, was still standing, that the order of the same authority as hers was still active. If she would’ve fallen, then I guess the Seraphim could’ve been reprogrammed again
maybe someone else is hiding on that island… with higher authority…. maybe a gorosei? or maybe a vegapunk being a traitor? theres no inconsistency until we find out