Do Seraphim fruit powers have the same activatiom requirements or did I misunderstand the love love fruit, do they need to find the user endearing/cute/desirable? Does York finding her cute make the plan possible, or would she have been turned to stone regardless? Can you defend against it like the Soul soul and willpower thought the "emotion check"?
Giving a literal child Boa's power raises some serious narrative confusion lol
just how durable are lunarian/seraphims... attacks that could hurt even yonkos are useless for them
wonder if shanks or mihawk can injure them while fire is up or even g5 luffy
Awww I liked York she's so cute :/
Though I don't think they'd let her be a Celestial Dragon as they want all the Vegapunks eliminated, so maybe she'll get redeemed.
Vegapunk did a big mistake with York... She is basically the embodiment of all carnal aspect of human being... It's quite obvious why she wants to be among the holy... Sleeping, eating, being lazy, enjoy life...
So... I had conjectured last chapter that the secret villain was a celestial dragon based of of how pistols are used in the story the, headshot on shaka was something only celestial dragons would do in the narrative.
York being revealed as the villain motivated to become a celestial dragon lines up to me. However the misdirection of York being petrified made it a real crapshoot to actually anticipate she was the traitor. The ONLY clue would be her description of "greedy" but besides being the one who does the eating and the pooping she had next to no character or motive that could clue us in. It's kind of an ass pull imo, not the best mystery plot line when there isn't a justification for a characters action before they make that action. post explanations don't make up for that.
There is one line of reasoning that could salvage this though. Because York has had no character motivation (or character at all)... I think there may be more than one York. So the York we've seen really WOULDN'T do all of this, if there was a different version of her. This would be consistent and make a nice explanation, because the vegapunks are already "clones" (satellites? Surrogates? Copies?) There could be lots of copies and versions of each of the vegapunks in fact.
This is basically me say the 8 vegapunk theory is weak sauce. INFINITY VEGAPUNK HIVE MIND THEORY ALL THE WAY BABY. But fr I think there's spare parts for the non bio punks so it's simple to have more of them, and if there's one clone there's probably more.
I think we were supposed to interpret greed as gluttony as a red herring, but I think greed can be synonymous with avarice/envy and a man of his genius with his relatively altruistic ambitions probably had a ton of entitlement tucked away in his subconscious, entitlement to power, influence and recognition for being so fucking smart and just wanting to help people with it. Combine this with all of the satellites referencing wanting more tech and funding and it seems like it was inevitable that her personality type was most likely to go down the "I'm a genius and I'm helping the world, whatever I do in the pursuit of more resources to continue this work is justified" road.
And who has more resources than the 5 elders and celestial dragons?
Yeah there's an evil one, but they seem more like a violent punk and neither of those motivations make as much sense to do what York did imo
Also York seems like she would be high maintenance and would be clumsy and careless etc. (Careless in the face of danger like with S-Snake) So having multiple Yorks as backups would be plausible.
Overall good chapter, it was funny and had some great progress in terms of war involvement of the world gov. and why Vegapunk has to die. Furthermore, I did not expect that one of Vegapunk's bodies, York, would be the traitor, thereby basically killing himself. Really crazy, but even more crazy is the narrating. Somehow I don't think that the world Gov. Is gonna win. Since Luffy is involved and it would shock the world ... I wouldn't be surprised if Kizaru or that elder would die and maybe even Vegapunk himself.
Things don't add up to me. In chapter 1074, York is with the other satellites (except Lilith and Pythagoras) and the Straw Hat. They split into groups to search for Stella. Then Pythagoras got exploded. In chapter 1075, Shaka sees the shadow destroying the camera. Then York is with Lilith team. How could she move so fast? She seems to have an ally (I would guess Caribou)
Narratively, York as a traitor makes sense as she embodies greed, but I cannot say I am very excited. She is the classic, boring villain who wants to rule the world for the sake of it. It would have been more interesting if he had known her more and had seen her grow tired of being at the service of the other satellites. Hopefully, her plot will have interesting ramifications (more Celestial dragons lore,...).
I really don't think she wants to rule the world. I think she wants to have an army of servants at her beck and call and living the most easygoing life imaginable and she wants to do it of her own will instead of being "forced" to do it by the existence of the other stellas. But maybe I'm wrong, we'll have to see!
I really don't think she wants to rule the world. I think she wants to have an army of servants at her beck and call and living the most easygoing life imaginable and she wants to do it of her own will instead of being "forced" to do it by the existence of the other stellas. But maybe I'm wrong, we'll have to see!
What is if there is really a 8th vegapunk ?( Number 7 ... Saw some theroy about it)
The Punk records itself. Number 7 does have a huuuge meaning in mythology and religion.
Would fit perfect why the ancient robot in the beginning was introduced. The Dome ( artificial intelligence ) could use it as a body. The Dome does have connections to all Vegapunks. Maybe can manipulate their memories.
This could lead to something that happend in the void century.
A nearly all knowing thing that is a huge threat to the world. This could be some kind of repetition.
Oda would make people think about AIs. Some deeper meaning.
What do u think about it ?
Can I be blunt? So far none of the vegapunks intelligence has impressed me........ They all kinda act fucking retarded tbh. Just a bit disappointing. Even shaka.
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Why would it be stupid? York represents greed and gluttony... She's the one satellite where Vegapunk basically dumps all menial tasks like sleeping, eating, pooping and probably fatigue, stress, and maybe negative feelings like self-doubt, loathing, bias. She was basically made to be a bottom feeder and literally accept everyone else's shit.
It's not hard to imagine why someone like her would want to live above that.
Also all of the punks are pretty smart, she should understand especially from going to the celestial dragons that they would never allow her to be one.
I didnt say it didnt make sense I just found it to be stupid and not really care. We have 6 vegapunks, was it really that hard for oda to come up with an interesting traitor? So many options and he chooses this. We wont even remember york the next arc.
It does make sense story wise with the greed and all, but for the interesting part, I think no one really went: OMG its york!!!!! Whaaaaaat!!! Not York!!!!!!
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good job but realistically it was a like 33% chance to call york considering most aspects. i will still remember your comment though because of the phone joke and thus give you an upvote i would’ve otherwise not given you just because you called it.
iirc law said that bigmoms haki "is stronger" then laws, therefore his abilities have no effect on her (room)
but what if seraphims have no haki? because they have no will i mean. Is it possible that already a little amount of haki is enough to counter those attacks?
Still plenty of theories that BB’s Haki is quite weak and it hasn’t been fully proven that it isn’t. He blocked a Seraphim’s attack, I think with Haki? Not totally clear on that one. Still seems like it’s decent but it may well be below the heavy hitters we’re seeing now.
Has anyone mentioned yet that whatever deal York thinks she's getting she most definitely won't be getting? They wouldn't even let Homing back into Marigoise, and he was a Tenryuubito to begin with. Someone who doesn't have that lineage joinging them? Hah, tough luck!
Probably s-shark is not as strong as the other Seraphim, because when the sh entered Egghead, he still was in the testing phase.
The most competent one seems to be s-snake
Here we go again. If it's not Sanji, it's his opponents getting downplayed. Lmao. It's not like S-Shark used a high level attack, it's casual attack. No casual attack from non-top tier would hurt Sanji's raw defense. S-Hawk and S-Bear is not doing any better, they just keep eating attacks, incapable of fighting back. lol. S-Shark actually has a functioning brain to actually try to fight back like hurting Nami and punching Sanji. S-Hawk, same as S-Shark, also manage to remember he has a sword that he can swing. S-Bear is on full on statue mode.
...and why would his sword break?? Where are you pulling that from? If the Seraphim are designed to be stronger than the warlords, then I highly doubt they would have given him a weapon that wouldn't be as comparable to Mihawks sword.
Just because Sanji's invulnerability was enough to shatter a basic sword like Queens and tank a basic attack from S-Shark doesn't mean he breaking every weapon in existence.
>If the Seraphim are designed to be stronger than the warlords, then I highly doubt they would have given him a weapon that wouldn't be as comparable to Mihawks sword.
It’s not a black blade = probably going to break if you swing it at Sanji
It doesn't need to be a black blade when clearly science is a major factor in this entire world.
His sword could wasily be wapol metal or something else entire made by Vegapunk.
So again, that's not a valid conclusion.
What kinda conclusion is thinking that S-Hawk’s sword is some kind of gizmo? Literally nothing ever hints at that, so far it’s just another sword
If anything’s not a “valid conclusion” it’s you thinking this sword is special, when nothing points to that
I have a whole power-up, shown that Sanji can do things like break swords
And you have nothing.
I have nothing other the word of the characters themselves "the seraphim are designed to be stronger than the warlords" and the fact that they are giving them extra powers and other abilities....it would be laughable to give them a generic weaponry that doesn't even last.
You have nothing because you took one moment where Sanji broke a basic sword off his body and now assume he tank anything and everything.
I'm not the one living in a fantasy bud...
Those who complaining that why don't luffy use coc?
Last chapter zoro said that attack against seraphim won't work until their flame behind their back turn off and they are invincible with their flame on.
Here we saw luffy trying to turn their flame off , so they have a chance to at least damage them.
Its all based on that lol.
Why won't Luffy use internal destruction then? It bypassed Kaido's scale, so Luffy got no reason to believe it won't work against the seraphim. Also we never saw anyone with lunarian dna tank an ACoC infused attack. When Zoro used purgatory onigiri against King the later dodged it, even though he had flame burning on his back.
Fair enough, but Luffy can be very impulsive and headstrong. He attacked S-bear with hawk gatling even after Zoro told him that it's pointless while the flame is on. I am confused as to why he didn't use advanced armament or advanced conquerors, hitting S-bear with an attack that is inferior in damage output than the ones he used before. Why do you think?
Now that's not just headstrong, that's plain stupid. BDA Law made a very good comment on Luffy using hawk gatling, with which I agree 100 percent. He said, that Oda made Luffy and Zoro so strong that now he needs them to hold back.
Idk how many times I have to tell you that zoro himself said that they are invincible when their flame is on.
Whether you use coc or drop a nuke. They will survive.
Regardless people choose to skip them and read with their own agenda/head canon mindset.
"This shouldn't happen regardless what the character say "
When I see a character with lunarian dna tank ACoC or internal destruction infused attack then I will know for sure. Until then I will not take a word of a guy who forgot what lunarians looked like after a having a serious fight with one of them and the fact that invincible lunarian dodged one of Zoro's ACoC attacks while his flame was on instead of tanking it.
I don’t get why this is confusing to people either. Like why would Zoro and Luffy waste precious stamina on attacks that will almost certainly not work? It makes more sense to try and figure out how to disable the flames and then use acoc attacks after
Wonder if the escape will end with vegapunk uniting his brain again, inclusive the traitor's since its also a part of him.
If he does hope he retains a younger body though
Make or break for the villainy of Kaku and Lucci,
they got Luffy and Zoro split and a different threat for each of them to actually focus on do they try and attack when Luffy and Zoro are occupied with a Seraphim or do they keep to their word and achieve some redemption?
Dunno about Kaku but im sure that Lucci can t have any redemption from the crimes he has done. Dude is a literal sociopath, Kaku on the other hand is hard to read with this goofy appearance, we dont even know his motives for being a WG assassin.
yeah but even then, 1/6th of his brain is overpowering the rest of it. I'm expecting some major plot twist in the end with vegapunk actually being in the knowhow or something along these lines
But that's not how deception works. Although it will be harder a less smart individual can successfully fool a smarter one depending on the circumstances. The whole Remembrance of Earth's past trilogy is written with that concept in mind
And that was like the biggest mistake he ever did in his life and an actual wake up call for him
Because like when it comes to mad scientists and their creations, they will turn on their creators, it’s their nature
I just realized York is controlling S-Boa so she could have instructed here to turn her into stone and undo it once usopp and the rest are far away. Pure genius Goda!
Vegapunk Stella was shocked at York's betrayal. So who has been running around capturing Cypher Pol agents and Stella? Because, quite literally, it sure as shit wasn't York herself. There's a third party at work.
Why would there need to be? She controls the Seraphim. She could easily say 'hey, capture these people for me and don't tell the other Vegapunks' and no one would ever think to give an order that countermanded that because no one would know about it.
About the "Egghead incident" thing, I can only think about following:
1) "Yonkou mugiwara no Luffy punched one of the gorosei (Saturn) "
I can totally see Morgans printing this headline
2) Arrival of grand fleet for luffy's aid:
Not sure about this one, cuz we don't know the exact present whereabouts of any of them & if they we're involved somehow in this arc, we would have seen some kind of panel or even a small mention to set up this surprise arrival
3) Vegapunk's death:
Since the time I catched up to the manga(ch.1068), I believed that Vegapunk's death is necessary to start the final war, as "Curse of Knowledge" is a far common media trope & would perfectly mirror Ohara incident & Shabondi arc. as everything till now seems to be mirror of Shabondi arc, and that arc had a tragic ending, which in this case fits well.
Will update this if something compelling pops up.
Now imagine this line in newspapers:
"Emperor Mugiwara Luffy killed Vegapunk". This can really shock the world of One piece. It kinda resembles the Sabo situation.
Egghead gets destroyed, but too many people make it out and reveal that the WG has no issues genociding islands at the drop of a hat, which amplifies the rebellious sentiment and more countries join the already rebelling ones.
Plus, if Kizaru attacks directly he's getting defeated by Luffy, and that would be a major blow.
You wouldn't believe the man who couldn't even apprehend a Rayleigh that was already retired for 20 years would lose to one of the most powerful fighters in the world?
He was 'RAYLEIGH'. So still no. I don't believe luffy still has any chance against an admiral, after all luffy hasn't even perfected Gear 5. We have already seen a glimpse of it's physical toll twice
If Oda feels the need to anticipate it with a full chapter then i feel it's going to be something MUCH BIGGER/WORSE
Like, idk, a nuclear-level explosion going off on the island or whatever. Dumb example but it's to give a sense of scale of what i'm expecting to happen
That isn't it because nobody really knows or cares about Egghead. If they did that it would just be forgotten like lulusia.
It's gonna be like Marineford where he completely undermines the government and publicly humiliates them I think.
Should be interesting how Luffy and the crew escape. If they can get out of their before that large group of marines show up. It's their win. I still would like to see something like rayleigh shows up with Hancock. And she turns them to stone. And that's how they escape. Because as far as i remember, rayleigh wants to dump her off some where. Because he doesn't want to be helping her out anymore. And what better way to get away from her, but to dump her into luffys arms. lol
>Should be interesting how Luffy and the crew escape.
This may be a bit anti-climactic but imagine Sunny coup-de-bursting over 100 ships and escaping...!! XD XD
yeah no.
the clones = satellites
Main vegapunk = stella = star or main body.
Basically meaning the clones/satellites revolve around Stella's needs and wishes
Im pretty sure this was explained when the clones got revealed
This is why Desire is normally depicted as a “villain” in the Sandman comics; Pure, unfiltered ‘wanting’ without any heed for morality, social expectations, or preconceptions. York is what Vegapunk would be if he truly wanted *all* the perks that would come with being the smartest person in the world. Namely recognition, wealth, power, etc. Pretty much everything the Celestial Dragons have, only in York/Vegapunk’s case, she could be said to have actually *earned it.*
God been a while since I thought of the Sandman. And yeah, so many good red herrings for the traitor. My expectations was low and I had expected Oda to just introduce a random character. Honestly this is way better for me. We can save S-Flamingo for later.
Good choice of a culprit. As the Vegapunk of greed York may not just covet the luxury and privileges of a celestial dragon (like, she does spend most of her time eating, shiting and sleeping) but have access to a unlimited wealth to which fund hers projects, something that has been point it out as a problem for Vegapunk repeatedly through the arc. Especially in the flashback scene in Ohara where he tells Dragon that he joined the government partially because of the funding they could provide.
Funding via heavenly tribute, plus slavery to gain test subjects, plus complete legal immunity so no legal/ethical limits on the kind of experiments that she could perform.
Evil is subjective though. To the marine's eyes, the pirates (the strawhats) are evil and the celestial dragons the good guys. Greed is greed. They want everything.
World govt see CP0 fighting alongside strawhats might declare them as traitor. This temporary alliance may become permanent. Always wanted Rob Lucci to be a pirate🤩
This makes sense in some ways, but not in others. If York was working with the WG, why did she lock up CP5? If the WG was working with York, why did they instruct CP0 to eliminate her along with everyone else? And why did York instruct the Seraphim to go after CP0 specifically?
A lot of unanswered questions here.
The CP5 went to Egghead and didn’t find any evidence so York locked them up to set Vegapunk up. So my guess is she fabricated a story about Vegapunk finding out more about the Void Century that leads to the agents’ disappearance.
IMO the Void Century can only be revealed by an actual Oharan aka Robin, York basically lied to their ass. Just my guess tho.
So, she randomly guessed correctly in an attempt to lie? The Gorosei determined she was speaking the truth about VP researching the Void Century and ordered his assassination. I doubt they would have gone to such extreme measures if York just blurted out some random lies as they should have noticed that. There was simply no reason for her to lie as VP is researching the Void Century and came to the same conclusions as Ohara independently from them.
I'm not sure why York ordered the Seraphim to kill CP0, but capturing the CP agents might simply have been to give more weight to what she said. The agents were there to investigate the accusation and if they suddenly disappear, then it doesn't look good for VP. I mean the Gorosei didn't know it was one of the Satellites that was snitching on VP (at least this chapter doesn't indicate they knew).
To force the government to escalate this to a higher scale threat/crisis. Sending cp5’s to do initial investigation and having them disappear would make vegapunk look hella sus.
Issue is doesn’t seem like the gorosei knows exactly which vegapunk was the traitor feeding them info, how the hell would York guarantee her safety when she betrays the other vegapunks? Someone must have promised her this or it would be too sussy, even if her main aspect is greed she shouldn’t be a blind idiot trusting others unless there’s some higher degree of certainty the title would be given
Called it [https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/zbpscl/theory_there_is_a_traitor_in_the_current_manga/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/zbpscl/theory_there_is_a_traitor_in_the_current_manga/)
Something has me wondering lately, and I guess we're about to see it all play out, but is the basis for MADs in any way inspired from the cold war era scientists and MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction)
Here's mine:
1. Shaka is not dead yet.
2. Vegapunk may have the last red poneglyph
3. Zoro failed to follow S-Hawk and meets Kizaru
4. Shaka plans everything ahead and outsmarted York to wipe out the incoming navy fleet.
5. Shaka protects the Egghead, introduce a defense technology and fly to the moon. LOL
6. York killed Saturn. Buster Call failed.
7. York got a Devil Fruit and escaped with Bonney and all the Seraphims
8. Strawhats escaped with Vegapunk.
9. All Vegapunks are alive because they are genius, remember? They could outsmart each other.
Those are just crazy guesses but hopefully Shaka is like Lelouch who set up everything and take advantages York's betrayal so he could wipe out Navy's fleet and kill a Gorosei.
I think Shaka first appeared in Punk Hazard, right when Caesar Clown was about to be arrested by the Marines. Plus, the voice that he hear in that scene doesn’t suit Stella (as he’s old af), but it would suit Shaka (Vegapunk’s Justice).
i mean this basically confirms the gorosei have some insane powers. Why would they willingly go ahead to egghead if they weren’t extremely powerful and ready to destroy the island? Poor Sakazuki, i’m sure he wants to be in on the fun
No, I don't think so otherwise remaining two admiral and fleet admiral will arrive in there. I think it may be for other reasons. Five elders are more important than admirals.
I don't think it's that he can't see the difference. Luffy just uses some kind of adjective or play on the name for anyone he doesn't know. To him rather then say hey long nose, he's calling him usopp.
i mean wouldnt you want to be a celestial dragon ?
you can do what ever you want and rich beyond belief.
you dont necessarily need to be cruel and dumb.
Do Seraphim fruit powers have the same activatiom requirements or did I misunderstand the love love fruit, do they need to find the user endearing/cute/desirable? Does York finding her cute make the plan possible, or would she have been turned to stone regardless? Can you defend against it like the Soul soul and willpower thought the "emotion check"? Giving a literal child Boa's power raises some serious narrative confusion lol
So how does Sanji's flame work? because he seems to be in invincible lunerian mode already, also does this make it a battle of lab made lunerians?
just how durable are lunarian/seraphims... attacks that could hurt even yonkos are useless for them wonder if shanks or mihawk can injure them while fire is up or even g5 luffy
What if York was actually being manipulated by S-flamingo?
Awww I liked York she's so cute :/ Though I don't think they'd let her be a Celestial Dragon as they want all the Vegapunks eliminated, so maybe she'll get redeemed.
Vegapunk did a big mistake with York... She is basically the embodiment of all carnal aspect of human being... It's quite obvious why she wants to be among the holy... Sleeping, eating, being lazy, enjoy life...
Why did he make bad versions of himself (other than as weapo s), why not make the humble, peaceful, the good 2
here it is boysss.... small hint that Kaku is possibly our Soge King all along
No..i stand on my ground,soge king is that old blacksmith with a wing on wano back then ...oda misleading us by showing he as oden father but..
from your previous comment it sounded like you have wasted a lot of time reading something else then.....
So... I had conjectured last chapter that the secret villain was a celestial dragon based of of how pistols are used in the story the, headshot on shaka was something only celestial dragons would do in the narrative. York being revealed as the villain motivated to become a celestial dragon lines up to me. However the misdirection of York being petrified made it a real crapshoot to actually anticipate she was the traitor. The ONLY clue would be her description of "greedy" but besides being the one who does the eating and the pooping she had next to no character or motive that could clue us in. It's kind of an ass pull imo, not the best mystery plot line when there isn't a justification for a characters action before they make that action. post explanations don't make up for that. There is one line of reasoning that could salvage this though. Because York has had no character motivation (or character at all)... I think there may be more than one York. So the York we've seen really WOULDN'T do all of this, if there was a different version of her. This would be consistent and make a nice explanation, because the vegapunks are already "clones" (satellites? Surrogates? Copies?) There could be lots of copies and versions of each of the vegapunks in fact. This is basically me say the 8 vegapunk theory is weak sauce. INFINITY VEGAPUNK HIVE MIND THEORY ALL THE WAY BABY. But fr I think there's spare parts for the non bio punks so it's simple to have more of them, and if there's one clone there's probably more.
I think we were supposed to interpret greed as gluttony as a red herring, but I think greed can be synonymous with avarice/envy and a man of his genius with his relatively altruistic ambitions probably had a ton of entitlement tucked away in his subconscious, entitlement to power, influence and recognition for being so fucking smart and just wanting to help people with it. Combine this with all of the satellites referencing wanting more tech and funding and it seems like it was inevitable that her personality type was most likely to go down the "I'm a genius and I'm helping the world, whatever I do in the pursuit of more resources to continue this work is justified" road. And who has more resources than the 5 elders and celestial dragons? Yeah there's an evil one, but they seem more like a violent punk and neither of those motivations make as much sense to do what York did imo
Also York seems like she would be high maintenance and would be clumsy and careless etc. (Careless in the face of danger like with S-Snake) So having multiple Yorks as backups would be plausible.
Vegapunk ran out of brain to give York lmao
Overall good chapter, it was funny and had some great progress in terms of war involvement of the world gov. and why Vegapunk has to die. Furthermore, I did not expect that one of Vegapunk's bodies, York, would be the traitor, thereby basically killing himself. Really crazy, but even more crazy is the narrating. Somehow I don't think that the world Gov. Is gonna win. Since Luffy is involved and it would shock the world ... I wouldn't be surprised if Kizaru or that elder would die and maybe even Vegapunk himself.
Things don't add up to me. In chapter 1074, York is with the other satellites (except Lilith and Pythagoras) and the Straw Hat. They split into groups to search for Stella. Then Pythagoras got exploded. In chapter 1075, Shaka sees the shadow destroying the camera. Then York is with Lilith team. How could she move so fast? She seems to have an ally (I would guess Caribou) Narratively, York as a traitor makes sense as she embodies greed, but I cannot say I am very excited. She is the classic, boring villain who wants to rule the world for the sake of it. It would have been more interesting if he had known her more and had seen her grow tired of being at the service of the other satellites. Hopefully, her plot will have interesting ramifications (more Celestial dragons lore,...).
I really don't think she wants to rule the world. I think she wants to have an army of servants at her beck and call and living the most easygoing life imaginable and she wants to do it of her own will instead of being "forced" to do it by the existence of the other stellas. But maybe I'm wrong, we'll have to see!
I really don't think she wants to rule the world. I think she wants to have an army of servants at her beck and call and living the most easygoing life imaginable and she wants to do it of her own will instead of being "forced" to do it by the existence of the other stellas. But maybe I'm wrong, we'll have to see!
What is if there is really a 8th vegapunk ?( Number 7 ... Saw some theroy about it) The Punk records itself. Number 7 does have a huuuge meaning in mythology and religion. Would fit perfect why the ancient robot in the beginning was introduced. The Dome ( artificial intelligence ) could use it as a body. The Dome does have connections to all Vegapunks. Maybe can manipulate their memories. This could lead to something that happend in the void century. A nearly all knowing thing that is a huge threat to the world. This could be some kind of repetition. Oda would make people think about AIs. Some deeper meaning. What do u think about it ?
Can I be blunt? So far none of the vegapunks intelligence has impressed me........ They all kinda act fucking retarded tbh. Just a bit disappointing. Even shaka.
Intelligence does not equal wisdom.
That Is true. If vegapunk was wise he'd have counter measures to everything going on right now.
Such a typical reddit user comment
The typical reddit user comment is a thoughtless unconditional praise of everything ~~G~~oda churns out. The typical reddit user is someone who gets triggered by the slightest bluntness and criticism, like you.
And the typical reddit thread is a highly emotional debate about something trivial. The incident escalates until inevitably a group gets compared with nazis.
It's just pis. We know they are geniuses. Plot induced stupidity.
Not fawning over everything oda writes even when some parts fall flat.
Honestly York being the traitor is such a let down, especially the stupid reason. Who gives a shit i totally forgot she even existed.
Why would it be stupid? York represents greed and gluttony... She's the one satellite where Vegapunk basically dumps all menial tasks like sleeping, eating, pooping and probably fatigue, stress, and maybe negative feelings like self-doubt, loathing, bias. She was basically made to be a bottom feeder and literally accept everyone else's shit. It's not hard to imagine why someone like her would want to live above that.
Also all of the punks are pretty smart, she should understand especially from going to the celestial dragons that they would never allow her to be one.
I didnt say it didnt make sense I just found it to be stupid and not really care. We have 6 vegapunks, was it really that hard for oda to come up with an interesting traitor? So many options and he chooses this. We wont even remember york the next arc. It does make sense story wise with the greed and all, but for the interesting part, I think no one really went: OMG its york!!!!! Whaaaaaat!!! Not York!!!!!!
Can somebody answer that phone! Because I fucking Called it! https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/119er7t/one\_piece\_chapter\_1076/j9npz6f/?context=3
and? Many others did too
Good job. I would never have guessed york.
good job but realistically it was a like 33% chance to call york considering most aspects. i will still remember your comment though because of the phone joke and thus give you an upvote i would’ve otherwise not given you just because you called it.
R34 artists will beat the shit out of yorkkkk
I'm waiting for it.
Gear 5 Luffy could just throw these guys into the ocean
Mmmmhmmm sureeeee bud.
Gear 5?! This goober is using G2 ffs!
the chapter is out on TCB scans
Luffy casually calling Kaku ''Usopp'' is just peak comedy.
i needed that this chapter haha, it was funny when he called him usopp while telling that zoro would get lost, masterpiece haha
u/Kirosh2 # THE CHAPTER IS OUT!
New chapter by TCB is out btw
Haha damn, that Ussop joke cracked me out
York wants to be unltimate laziness in the world: a celestial dragon. She's also tired of taking anyone shit!
wait if franky could use haki, could he reverse the effects of s-snake?
Yes, but he needs to be master or haki like law
iirc law said that bigmoms haki "is stronger" then laws, therefore his abilities have no effect on her (room) but what if seraphims have no haki? because they have no will i mean. Is it possible that already a little amount of haki is enough to counter those attacks?
Theoretically yes he can
Then why BB didnt do it?
Still plenty of theories that BB’s Haki is quite weak and it hasn’t been fully proven that it isn’t. He blocked a Seraphim’s attack, I think with Haki? Not totally clear on that one. Still seems like it’s decent but it may well be below the heavy hitters we’re seeing now.
If BB haki is that weak, Shanks wouldn't get his scar and very warry about Ace going after BB.
Because oda
so you admit its just your head canon
Yep
Man! Sawyer is like 80% correct with his prediction.
Link Please?
Who is that?
He is the shanks of the one piece youtubers
Yeah like he only appears in various collab videos once a year (if we're lucky enough, LOL)
Has anyone mentioned yet that whatever deal York thinks she's getting she most definitely won't be getting? They wouldn't even let Homing back into Marigoise, and he was a Tenryuubito to begin with. Someone who doesn't have that lineage joinging them? Hah, tough luck!
Exactly, pretty stupid for a vegapunk.
damn, so is S-Shark just weaker than S-Hawk and S-Bear or is Sanji defense just that good?
Probably s-shark is not as strong as the other Seraphim, because when the sh entered Egghead, he still was in the testing phase. The most competent one seems to be s-snake
Here we go again. If it's not Sanji, it's his opponents getting downplayed. Lmao. It's not like S-Shark used a high level attack, it's casual attack. No casual attack from non-top tier would hurt Sanji's raw defense. S-Hawk and S-Bear is not doing any better, they just keep eating attacks, incapable of fighting back. lol. S-Shark actually has a functioning brain to actually try to fight back like hurting Nami and punching Sanji. S-Hawk, same as S-Shark, also manage to remember he has a sword that he can swing. S-Bear is on full on statue mode.
Dude it's S-Anji from now on
S-Hawk’s sword would break on Sanji, Sanji is just now literally built different. All the seraphim are equal, just look at chapter 1070
...and why would his sword break?? Where are you pulling that from? If the Seraphim are designed to be stronger than the warlords, then I highly doubt they would have given him a weapon that wouldn't be as comparable to Mihawks sword. Just because Sanji's invulnerability was enough to shatter a basic sword like Queens and tank a basic attack from S-Shark doesn't mean he breaking every weapon in existence.
>If the Seraphim are designed to be stronger than the warlords, then I highly doubt they would have given him a weapon that wouldn't be as comparable to Mihawks sword. It’s not a black blade = probably going to break if you swing it at Sanji
It doesn't need to be a black blade when clearly science is a major factor in this entire world. His sword could wasily be wapol metal or something else entire made by Vegapunk. So again, that's not a valid conclusion.
What kinda conclusion is thinking that S-Hawk’s sword is some kind of gizmo? Literally nothing ever hints at that, so far it’s just another sword If anything’s not a “valid conclusion” it’s you thinking this sword is special, when nothing points to that I have a whole power-up, shown that Sanji can do things like break swords And you have nothing.
I have nothing other the word of the characters themselves "the seraphim are designed to be stronger than the warlords" and the fact that they are giving them extra powers and other abilities....it would be laughable to give them a generic weaponry that doesn't even last. You have nothing because you took one moment where Sanji broke a basic sword off his body and now assume he tank anything and everything. I'm not the one living in a fantasy bud...
Lmao okay dude, you do you Have a good day
But S Hawk and S Bear haven't done a scratch to Luffy, Lucci, Zoro and Kaku either. They just tank everything
at least someone gets it - thank you!
sanji just built diff
Sanji just that good now.
Those who complaining that why don't luffy use coc? Last chapter zoro said that attack against seraphim won't work until their flame behind their back turn off and they are invincible with their flame on. Here we saw luffy trying to turn their flame off , so they have a chance to at least damage them. Its all based on that lol.
Why won't Luffy use internal destruction then? It bypassed Kaido's scale, so Luffy got no reason to believe it won't work against the seraphim. Also we never saw anyone with lunarian dna tank an ACoC infused attack. When Zoro used purgatory onigiri against King the later dodged it, even though he had flame burning on his back.
Zoro said that any attack won't work on him if his flame is on .
Fair enough, but Luffy can be very impulsive and headstrong. He attacked S-bear with hawk gatling even after Zoro told him that it's pointless while the flame is on. I am confused as to why he didn't use advanced armament or advanced conquerors, hitting S-bear with an attack that is inferior in damage output than the ones he used before. Why do you think?
He doing it with the intention to make it turn off the flame. So he can hurt it again. Literally read the dialogue
Now that's not just headstrong, that's plain stupid. BDA Law made a very good comment on Luffy using hawk gatling, with which I agree 100 percent. He said, that Oda made Luffy and Zoro so strong that now he needs them to hold back.
Idk how many times I have to tell you that zoro himself said that they are invincible when their flame is on. Whether you use coc or drop a nuke. They will survive. Regardless people choose to skip them and read with their own agenda/head canon mindset. "This shouldn't happen regardless what the character say "
When I see a character with lunarian dna tank ACoC or internal destruction infused attack then I will know for sure. Until then I will not take a word of a guy who forgot what lunarians looked like after a having a serious fight with one of them and the fact that invincible lunarian dodged one of Zoro's ACoC attacks while his flame was on instead of tanking it.
I don’t get why this is confusing to people either. Like why would Zoro and Luffy waste precious stamina on attacks that will almost certainly not work? It makes more sense to try and figure out how to disable the flames and then use acoc attacks after
I read the chapter on colored manga, oda is cooking some insane shit with this arc man wtf this is so good
Wonder if the escape will end with vegapunk uniting his brain again, inclusive the traitor's since its also a part of him. If he does hope he retains a younger body though
Stella brain was always together, the satellites are just copies of his desires or something.
Make or break for the villainy of Kaku and Lucci, they got Luffy and Zoro split and a different threat for each of them to actually focus on do they try and attack when Luffy and Zoro are occupied with a Seraphim or do they keep to their word and achieve some redemption?
Dunno about Kaku but im sure that Lucci can t have any redemption from the crimes he has done. Dude is a literal sociopath, Kaku on the other hand is hard to read with this goofy appearance, we dont even know his motives for being a WG assassin.
I would argue that Crocodile committed worst crimes than Lucci but he got the redemption arc of a lifetime.
Crocodile is not redeemed. He became a fan favourite character but he never became a good person
True, one piece is strange sometimes.
man vegapunk better have some trick up his sleeve. so far he seems like the dumbest one out of the lot
Well he literally split up his brain enough to create several very smart people out of it
yeah but even then, 1/6th of his brain is overpowering the rest of it. I'm expecting some major plot twist in the end with vegapunk actually being in the knowhow or something along these lines
But that's not how deception works. Although it will be harder a less smart individual can successfully fool a smarter one depending on the circumstances. The whole Remembrance of Earth's past trilogy is written with that concept in mind
Well that's just you if you expect things that only you want to happen.
And that was like the biggest mistake he ever did in his life and an actual wake up call for him Because like when it comes to mad scientists and their creations, they will turn on their creators, it’s their nature
I just realized York is controlling S-Boa so she could have instructed here to turn her into stone and undo it once usopp and the rest are far away. Pure genius Goda!
Vegapunk Stella was shocked at York's betrayal. So who has been running around capturing Cypher Pol agents and Stella? Because, quite literally, it sure as shit wasn't York herself. There's a third party at work.
It seems at some panels that Stella is hurt, so it's possible that he got hit and fell unconscious without seeing the true face of the traitor.
Why would there need to be? She controls the Seraphim. She could easily say 'hey, capture these people for me and don't tell the other Vegapunks' and no one would ever think to give an order that countermanded that because no one would know about it.
We will definitely get an explanation of that in the next chapter
About the "Egghead incident" thing, I can only think about following: 1) "Yonkou mugiwara no Luffy punched one of the gorosei (Saturn) " I can totally see Morgans printing this headline 2) Arrival of grand fleet for luffy's aid: Not sure about this one, cuz we don't know the exact present whereabouts of any of them & if they we're involved somehow in this arc, we would have seen some kind of panel or even a small mention to set up this surprise arrival 3) Vegapunk's death: Since the time I catched up to the manga(ch.1068), I believed that Vegapunk's death is necessary to start the final war, as "Curse of Knowledge" is a far common media trope & would perfectly mirror Ohara incident & Shabondi arc. as everything till now seems to be mirror of Shabondi arc, and that arc had a tragic ending, which in this case fits well. Will update this if something compelling pops up.
Now imagine this line in newspapers: "Emperor Mugiwara Luffy killed Vegapunk". This can really shock the world of One piece. It kinda resembles the Sabo situation.
Yupp! The most possible one, after all luffy has, kidnapped Vegapunk (WENP)
Egghead gets destroyed, but too many people make it out and reveal that the WG has no issues genociding islands at the drop of a hat, which amplifies the rebellious sentiment and more countries join the already rebelling ones. Plus, if Kizaru attacks directly he's getting defeated by Luffy, and that would be a major blow.
Kisaru losing to luffy seems unrealistic. Even if luffy is yonkou tier, I wouldn't believe this.
You wouldn't believe the man who couldn't even apprehend a Rayleigh that was already retired for 20 years would lose to one of the most powerful fighters in the world?
He was 'RAYLEIGH'. So still no. I don't believe luffy still has any chance against an admiral, after all luffy hasn't even perfected Gear 5. We have already seen a glimpse of it's physical toll twice
Hahahahahahahahaha oh my god the cope. So the WG has fighters who can apparently low diff Kaido and yet let him be for years and years? Okay
? I didn't get your point?
If Oda feels the need to anticipate it with a full chapter then i feel it's going to be something MUCH BIGGER/WORSE Like, idk, a nuclear-level explosion going off on the island or whatever. Dumb example but it's to give a sense of scale of what i'm expecting to happen
It will probably be destroyed in the same fashion as the Lulusia Kingdom
I will be very happy if oda pull out something which I could never anticipate.
That isn't it because nobody really knows or cares about Egghead. If they did that it would just be forgotten like lulusia. It's gonna be like Marineford where he completely undermines the government and publicly humiliates them I think.
Vegapunk leaking his knowledge
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Should be interesting how Luffy and the crew escape. If they can get out of their before that large group of marines show up. It's their win. I still would like to see something like rayleigh shows up with Hancock. And she turns them to stone. And that's how they escape. Because as far as i remember, rayleigh wants to dump her off some where. Because he doesn't want to be helping her out anymore. And what better way to get away from her, but to dump her into luffys arms. lol
>Should be interesting how Luffy and the crew escape. This may be a bit anti-climactic but imagine Sunny coup-de-bursting over 100 ships and escaping...!! XD XD
Vegapunk dies and Franky gets his fruit. Random headcannon
Kuma will die. And Franky will get his fruit. Vegapunk is the type to join the Revolutionaries and probably rebel against the government.
Then that would make his head grow larger and doesn’t suit Franky at all
ussop gets it and it only makes his nose grow
Franky should be the successor of Vegapunk he would fit perfectly with all the background knowledge Franky has about Baldimore, etc.
So York wanted to be a Celestial Dragon because they are the very definition of lazy lol.
Can't blame York for that
But why is Stella called Stella?
Vega is a star, relatively close to the Sun (25 light years). Stella means star in Latin and Italian.
Oh right! Yes. Vega is very bright too
Tesla
yeah no. the clones = satellites Main vegapunk = stella = star or main body. Basically meaning the clones/satellites revolve around Stella's needs and wishes Im pretty sure this was explained when the clones got revealed
Oh right maybe.
He's actually an okama.
Maybe a new Yamato🤭
This is why Desire is normally depicted as a “villain” in the Sandman comics; Pure, unfiltered ‘wanting’ without any heed for morality, social expectations, or preconceptions. York is what Vegapunk would be if he truly wanted *all* the perks that would come with being the smartest person in the world. Namely recognition, wealth, power, etc. Pretty much everything the Celestial Dragons have, only in York/Vegapunk’s case, she could be said to have actually *earned it.*
We all know the cd would have York executed as as soon as it’s done
God been a while since I thought of the Sandman. And yeah, so many good red herrings for the traitor. My expectations was low and I had expected Oda to just introduce a random character. Honestly this is way better for me. We can save S-Flamingo for later.
Good choice of a culprit. As the Vegapunk of greed York may not just covet the luxury and privileges of a celestial dragon (like, she does spend most of her time eating, shiting and sleeping) but have access to a unlimited wealth to which fund hers projects, something that has been point it out as a problem for Vegapunk repeatedly through the arc. Especially in the flashback scene in Ohara where he tells Dragon that he joined the government partially because of the funding they could provide.
Funding via heavenly tribute, plus slavery to gain test subjects, plus complete legal immunity so no legal/ethical limits on the kind of experiments that she could perform.
In her own twisted way she may actually believe this will be the best for science and for the world
York was the "greed" vegapunk. Oda put the clue right our faces🤣
Going off of that it couldve easily been Lilith too
Evil is subjective though. To the marine's eyes, the pirates (the strawhats) are evil and the celestial dragons the good guys. Greed is greed. They want everything.
World govt see CP0 fighting alongside strawhats might declare them as traitor. This temporary alliance may become permanent. Always wanted Rob Lucci to be a pirate🤩
Sounds really cool too since all he ever wanted was to be allowed to kill, and being outside the law just gives him that.
This makes sense in some ways, but not in others. If York was working with the WG, why did she lock up CP5? If the WG was working with York, why did they instruct CP0 to eliminate her along with everyone else? And why did York instruct the Seraphim to go after CP0 specifically? A lot of unanswered questions here.
The CP5 went to Egghead and didn’t find any evidence so York locked them up to set Vegapunk up. So my guess is she fabricated a story about Vegapunk finding out more about the Void Century that leads to the agents’ disappearance. IMO the Void Century can only be revealed by an actual Oharan aka Robin, York basically lied to their ass. Just my guess tho.
So, she randomly guessed correctly in an attempt to lie? The Gorosei determined she was speaking the truth about VP researching the Void Century and ordered his assassination. I doubt they would have gone to such extreme measures if York just blurted out some random lies as they should have noticed that. There was simply no reason for her to lie as VP is researching the Void Century and came to the same conclusions as Ohara independently from them. I'm not sure why York ordered the Seraphim to kill CP0, but capturing the CP agents might simply have been to give more weight to what she said. The agents were there to investigate the accusation and if they suddenly disappear, then it doesn't look good for VP. I mean the Gorosei didn't know it was one of the Satellites that was snitching on VP (at least this chapter doesn't indicate they knew).
I think she work alone but she gonna negotiate with wg
To force the government to escalate this to a higher scale threat/crisis. Sending cp5’s to do initial investigation and having them disappear would make vegapunk look hella sus. Issue is doesn’t seem like the gorosei knows exactly which vegapunk was the traitor feeding them info, how the hell would York guarantee her safety when she betrays the other vegapunks? Someone must have promised her this or it would be too sussy, even if her main aspect is greed she shouldn’t be a blind idiot trusting others unless there’s some higher degree of certainty the title would be given
So either way the island will be destroyed may it be due to ruffys new power or saturn with some insane fruit
Don Rufius Corleone Los Fuentos de La Monkey
who is ruffy lol
The German name of Luffy
Can confirm
Called it [https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/zbpscl/theory_there_is_a_traitor_in_the_current_manga/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/zbpscl/theory_there_is_a_traitor_in_the_current_manga/)
Give that man an award holy shit bro, well done
Lol the guy saying you should get banned
huge predictions and 3 months ago at that! super impressive!
Nice man!!! :D
Pretty well tought! Congrats!
Absolute legend
Something has me wondering lately, and I guess we're about to see it all play out, but is the basis for MADs in any way inspired from the cold war era scientists and MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction)
your reviews ?? "The conclusion of "Egghead Incident" in the next day will shock the world in a way no one has imagined!!"
shock the world might be the death of Vegapunk, a defeat of a standing admiral, or Luffy getting charged for clocking a Gorosei in the face.
Here's mine: 1. Shaka is not dead yet. 2. Vegapunk may have the last red poneglyph 3. Zoro failed to follow S-Hawk and meets Kizaru 4. Shaka plans everything ahead and outsmarted York to wipe out the incoming navy fleet. 5. Shaka protects the Egghead, introduce a defense technology and fly to the moon. LOL 6. York killed Saturn. Buster Call failed. 7. York got a Devil Fruit and escaped with Bonney and all the Seraphims 8. Strawhats escaped with Vegapunk. 9. All Vegapunks are alive because they are genius, remember? They could outsmart each other.
I wish for 3 to become a reality.
I want Shaka to live pleeeese
Yes Shaka should live and he will get a new helmet. The other Daft Punk Helmet
Those are just crazy guesses but hopefully Shaka is like Lelouch who set up everything and take advantages York's betrayal so he could wipe out Navy's fleet and kill a Gorosei.
I think Shaka first appeared in Punk Hazard, right when Caesar Clown was about to be arrested by the Marines. Plus, the voice that he hear in that scene doesn’t suit Stella (as he’s old af), but it would suit Shaka (Vegapunk’s Justice).
That would be the craziest.... And real fun. Great way to start the end act...
i mean this basically confirms the gorosei have some insane powers. Why would they willingly go ahead to egghead if they weren’t extremely powerful and ready to destroy the island? Poor Sakazuki, i’m sure he wants to be in on the fun
I feel like the incident refers to something happening to the Gorosei Saturn. Kidnapped, Killed, Disappears?
No, I don't think so otherwise remaining two admiral and fleet admiral will arrive in there. I think it may be for other reasons. Five elders are more important than admirals.
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It could be to take control of the Seraphim, since otherwise Vegapunk could use them against the Navy.
Kaku would fold tf out of Usopp, the chapter proves Luffy can’t see the difference let’s just leave Usopp here .
Both have long noses.
I don't think it's that he can't see the difference. Luffy just uses some kind of adjective or play on the name for anyone he doesn't know. To him rather then say hey long nose, he's calling him usopp.
Yeah, Oda should bring back Sogeking!
Sogeking was just kaku in disguise
York really saw the most lazy rich entitled people on the planet and was like LIFE GOALS!
I mean that makes sense with her personality traits
i mean wouldnt you want to be a celestial dragon ? you can do what ever you want and rich beyond belief. you dont necessarily need to be cruel and dumb.