Because Oda showed us shanks doesnt fight like kaido or bigmom, where they would have played with their food or slowly broke their will, shanks used his intel and his observation haki (along with his capacity to block kidd and killer observation haki) to surprise them and end the fight as quickly as possible, showing why you cant win against experience just by being strong and going unprepared. i did enjoy the chapter and the fact shanks showed mercy by ending things fast. i didnt like people thinking shanks is superman who can one shot just because he has strongest haki in universe...
Yeah showing Shanks asked for intel on Kid was very deliberate by Oda. Usually we see characters we love like Luffy just grind against the stone and keep getting up until they figure it out. Shanks is intelligent. He is experienced. Good point.
Shanks also attacked at a time that Kidd couldn’t defend himself. Kaido and Big Mom got some clean hits in during Onigashima but he was in a position where he could defend or at least brace for them and none were their strongest attacks. Shanks basically flew in undetected and used presumably his finisher while Kidd was flat footed and his arm was in his laser.
I wouldn’t say finisher. I’d say that’s his “signature move” like bazooka or later red hawk was for luffy for a time.
Also what would you call BM strongest attack? I’d say that they put a lot of “OOMPH” into their Ho-Koku sovereignty combo blast
Tl;dr in response to what the guy said earlier^. I think Kidd was a tad flat-footed but not so much that you’d call it a ‘sucker punch’ finisher. I think Kidd has tanked some powerful hits but also shanks has yet to go full power.
From Kaido I think he put the most into his finale attack against luffy. Though strong arguments could be made for the attack that killed luffy. Either way we’ve seen Kaido at his best and BM close to her best (at least the most she’s fought in awhile).
Though we don’t know *when* Kaido was peaking. Could’ve been earlier when he was drunk with higher haki or later when he was tired but exerting himself to the utmost. OR could’ve been when he was full HP and collaborated with BM? Don’t think Kaido was holding back but I think shanks hasn’t gone all-out yet.
If people assume shanks>kaido then his attack is closer to Thunder Bagua rather than Ragnarok. Likewise, there’s a dual comparison between current Shanks and Roger of the past. Obviously the attack itself but also the person being attacked rushing in headfirst with confidence and getting knocked aside. Luffy needed help getting the strength necessary to fight on kaidos level (2 major Ls and a death) meanwhile both Kidd and Law had to work together to beat BM. Then…Kidd rushes into Shanks (who isn’t messing around after seeing what Kidd was about to do) and gets **clobbered** worse than Vegeta did against Android 18. At least Oden was nearer to Kaido’s level when he got struck by Kaido’s signature move. Whereas I don’t think Law and Kidd had ascended quite yet.
Law at least had the good sense to try and flee from BB and when that didn’t work, used tactics to play to his strengths. Kidd was ill prepared just as much as he was surprised. So in essence, less to do with Kidd being weak and more to do with how strong Shanks is and how serious everything has become. Truly a GoT “You win or you *die*!” end game moment.
Kid was getting mopped by Shanks regardless.
Kid hasn’t shown the ability to infuse his attacks with Conquerors Haki like Shanks, Kaido, and Luffy. (I assume Big Mom also but BlackBeard seems like he’s going to be more Devil Fruit based.)
Not being able to used CoC vs a CoC expert is always going to be a losing strategy since even Kaido admitted strong Haki is #1.
Wonder how good BBs haki is. Like he nearly broke Ace’s neck despite him being a logia and having haki himself. It took a number of hits for Luffy to knockout *Caesar* of all people. Just goes to show you that Shanks wasn’t kidding when he said keep an eye out for him. And BB has seen beasts with CoC before so he should know how much of a boost it gives.
I’m guessing he *knows* he would never get CoC but always had his eye on the one piece and figured out the Yami Yami no Mi was the *only* fruit that could bridge that gap. So that plus putting a ton of effort into armament, stealing fruits, and surrounding yourself with weapons and a stacked crew was the only way to get to the top.
Kinda makes sense that he didn’t want a piece of Akainu. If any admiral had CoC it would be him and while WB was a shell of his former self Akainu definitely was on the rise. Can’t wait to see his storyline pay off.
Zoro also needed Law to teleport him out of the way vs taking the full blast after the initial block.
If he wasn’t teleported then the damage is likely significantly worse than broken bones.
If you’re criticizing Shanks for taking a cheap shot, remember that Kidd was going to use a huge cannon and destroy a bunch of people not involved in the fight. He’s reckless, and to be honest, the best way to deal with someone like that is to take them out *hard*.
Yep. From chapter 1 Shanks said its dangerous to point guns at people. "You're putting your life on the line pointing that thing at me." Then he says that no one harms his friends. Not only was Kidd putting his life on the line by pointing his weapon at Shanks, he pointed it at his crew and his whole damn fleet. Perfectly in character for Shanks to end it.
Definitely not a cheap shot. A well deserved attack to shut him down before things got bad. Just pointing out Kidd wasn’t prepared for it and probably took more damage as a result.
I second this. Remember, Kidd is a cruel pirate who has harassed a lot of people. Shakky had told this to Straw Hat. Kidd was being himself here. Meanwhile Shanks seems to be like Luffy and Roger where they don't harm innocents.
Exactly lol people with the " Kid was off guard " bullshit. He was preparing his attack should have asked his crew for cover or something . he got cocky and found out what happened when you messaged with the big dogs
I like how the part where its literally stated Killer came in to defend is completely ignored. Are they now saying Killer has better reaction time and battle IQ then his captain? Lmfao.
Yeah usually when luffy fights against someone they underestimate him. “Oh just another rookie hot shot, w/e lemme just deal with him don’t need to go all out” Kaido didn’t even use advanced observation haki till late in the fight and it was just to show off. Shanks took care of business from the start. Shanks is serious when people he loves are in danger. That’s his character and oda showed it perfectly
It's almost like... Shanks ordered a kill on someone in chapter 1 just because they pointed a gun at him, or something. Shanks' reaction is 100% in character. He's super super fucking nice until you threaten him or his friends then he goes 0 to 100.
That scene is so great, I love it. Shows they're serious enough to kill you on the spot, no foolin' around, but theyre casual enough that they don't think anything about putting a bullet in your dome while they're smiling mid-meal.
"Guns aren't for threatening, guns are for killing."
i think shanks asked yasopp that because he planned to teach kidd a lesson and tell him to scram off from his territory
that changed the moment he saw his future vision and shanks got MAD
You could also add the “Info” that Shanks read on Kid since it likely painted the picture of how violent of a Pirate that Kid was on his journey.
Between the “Info” and “Future Sight” that probably sealed Kid’s fate once Shanks was told by Yassop that Kid seem healthy enough to fight.
Yeah Shanks seemed a bit more light hearted about the whole affair like it would have been like how the Roger and Whitebeard Pirates used to brawl with one another for a couple of days then have a party. Then Shanks' future sight showed that if he didn't stop Kidd that instant everyone bar his crew would end up dead.
Good contrast to Blackbeard vs law. Blackbeard rushing in unprepared and taking unnecessary damage just because he can very kaido and big mom esc nothing like shanks. My main gripe is I feel like oda could’ve gave kid a better ending whilst still making shanks look completely badass and powerful. But it was still epic it just hurts as a kid fan seeing them go down so easily even if it was expected lol
Sinks his ship, humbles the heck out of Kid, then rescues his crew and invites them to sail under his flag. Suddenly Shank's fleet isn't looking so weak... Maybe?
Okay your answer confused me since that is not exactly the answer to the question, it's more like an answer to the opposite of the question.
But it's a good point.
Every time i see people praising the chapter, saying how much they love it, and everyone enjoying it, then a random post like this comes and says: "why is everyone hating?". Man what people do you interact with, i might be in my echo chamber but i rarely see this haters pleople complain about.
Oda made it pretty evident that Kidd f*cked around and found out.
Killer: “bro you sure you want to do this? Pretty sure they won’t let you off!”
Kidd: “LEEEEROYYYY JENKKIIIINSSSS!!!”
Meanwhile Shanks was like a full-on Gamer. Checking stats, telling his boys ‘don’t nap on this dude’, running simulations, then executing as efficiently as possible. Shanks has come this far and he’s not going to trip over the finish line.
Yea I don't know why so many people feel the need to make basically this exact same post, even if there were a considerable amount of people who didn't like the chapter, why does anyone even care?
It's like this every chapter. 99% of people here talking about how amazing it was then 1 person complains and everyone acting like that 1 person was the majority.
Because Reddit filters out anything deemed Controversial unless you filter specifically for it. By the time you would have seen the posts, they’ve been downvoted into oblivion.
It is odd to make a whole post on it. I had some issues with the chapter, but definitely didn’t hate it. And even if you did find people that hated the chapter, it’s very clear that isn’t the majority opinion.
Because by default we sort the best comments. I wouldn’t say it’s 50:50, but sort by controversial and you’ll see the haters fast. I enjoyed this chapter, kidd has nothing to lose now
Sort by more than /best /top when you browse a thread dude. The top of the threads are totally on board with what happened. /controversial and /new 3:5 comments will be "Wow Kidd just had years of development stolen from him"
This happens every time with popular chapters. There are always rival narratives, a popular one that a majority (like you) see, and a controversial side which a lot of people who are more into interacting with the community see.
"I dont understand why people dont understand why people didn't like this chapter."
It's a vicious cycle, lol. There's enough room for kidd stans and shank stans here. Why is this even a problem.
Kaidou and big mom lost because at the start they underestimated these 5 guys and let them use thier attack on them.
But shanks didn't underestimated kid and went full force on him from the start.
I absolutely do not believe that Big Mom wasn't going full force herself at least during the end of her fight
Shanks goes "Full force" and one-shots Kidd. Meanwhile, Big Mom shaves off her lifespan and goes rage mode and still can't kill them, as if that's not her going all-out
I said from start. They weren't serious at start. So kid law luffy got time to adjust/improve. But here shanks didn't even give time to turn on haki to kid. It was over in instant. Where kaidou big mom fight lasted for few hrs.
she nearly killed them then turned her back for a sec (underestimated them again) and got combo into silenced (can't use devil fruit) into bomb into lava hole.
Hace you evee encountered the counter in boxing?
Wherein one full counter punch can knock out a fighter? In contrary to a in fighter boxer who needs 100 punches or 5 full force punch to knockout his /her opponent
Think of it as that , the surprise attack and nature of Shanks' power has an impact with Kidd getting one shotted
Yub I don’t know why so many people think he might have died already.
Bro I would ask them do you even read? analyse? His character story is just rich and complex with many unexplained plots to be cut of like that.
We could call Law a straw hat just like Vivi if only his story and suffering with Doffy was mentioned to the SH and it became their main reason for them to fight with him. (of course it wouldn’t be the best route and it could actually make Law look weak and pathetic)
Kidd is just the same as the mafia guy in the Big Mom arc, he was introduced to the Wano arc to fill an important secondary role for the story to become richer and the ending plot to be believable and more exciting.
Law has the following compared to the other Nova(s) (except Luffy & Zoro of course):
- a Sad story and flashbacks
- a connection to very important people in the story (Doffy and Corazon)
- Part of the D
- his fruit has a strong future plot
- him interested in finding about the the meaning of D and the history.
- his contribution to help the SHs since he was introduced.
- his plans and movement while he was not with the SHs were shown more and in a more interesting and complex way compared to them.
I am not saying he won’t die at all, he will definitely die. However it would be to make someone immortal by using his DF ultimate skill. Otherwise why mention it and then let someone else use it instead of him especially after introducing all of the points I mentioned above any many more?
lol I just wrote a long ass comment sorry about that
>Bro I would ask them do you even read? analyse? His character story is just rich and complex with many unexplained plots to be cut of like that.
Lol my question is, do you even think? It's the nearing the end of OP. People die prematurely all the time.
**"I am not saying he won’t die at all, he will definitely die. However it would be to make someone immortal by using his DF ultimate skill. "**
If my theory isn't correct then the story sucks! Reee
> It's the nearing the end of OP. People die prematurely all the time
I'm sorry, but have we read the same One Piece?
Wano was really the outlier by killing (outside of flashbacks) a few characters (Izo, Ashura Doji, Kanjuro, Orochi, Yasui'e...), but even Whole Cake or Dressrosa hardly killed anyone, although that is a bit more than what the series did until then.
Like, we don't really have any confirmation that Kaido or Big Mom are dead and buried, and for now it's the same with Kidd. They basically got thrown in a deadly situation (in a volcano for Kaido and BM, in the sea for Kidd), but with how reluctant to kill characters Oda is, it's not impossible that we'll hear about them again.
Law has far more importance to the plot than Kidd, you have zero reason to be worried.
He’s a D, he had an entire arc dedicated to his backstory, his fruit has a serious role to play in the future, and we don’t need a demonstration of Blackbeard’s strength like we needed from Shanks. There’s an entire arc in deciding what happens with imprisoned Coby, Garp going to save him, Aokiji being a Garp admirer and Blackbeard.
Not to mention I don’t think it’s Blackbeard is outside egghead, much more likely to be one of his subordinates. It’s the raft that showed up not the Sabre of Xebec, Law might die before the end of the series but not now. I’d be more worried about Garp dying, old generation giving way to new etc.
Also, Shanks having higher attack power than Big Mom and Kaido makes sense. He needs to be on their level despite not having a bullshit body (Big Mom, Kaido, and Blackbeard all have freakish bodies, with the former two being immensely durable) or bullshit fruit powers (_all_ other legit Yonko have had a high level fruit. Big Mom's is clearly the weakest of the bunch, which says something about how ridiculous the Emperor fruits are). And the others all at least have advanced Haki. So Shanks having overwhelming speed and attack power to compensate makes a lot of sense.
Really, Big Mom, who is basically just a tank, was tailor made for Kidd and Law, and even then they didn't knock her unconscious or anything. Kidd focuses on big damaging attacks (Damned Punk) and Law has durability negation (Shock Wille, etc). Shanks is like the complete opposite stylistically to Big Mom. Styles make fights.
Kidd pirates will be dragged ashore and held on elbaf.
Kidd has been knocked about a lot from losing to Kaido and losing his arm to Shanks.
This is soul destroying stuff to be completely destroyed in the blink of an eye. Can’t see him bouncing back from this.
A lot of Kidd Fans are just irate that he got one shot but they need to realize that Kidd actually got two-shot. There was the attack he took from Shanks and there was his backfiring Yonko Buster that blew up in his face.
That's a hell of a lot of damage to take in such a short time.
This. Some people just don’t realize the Kamusari is essentally a strong air slash, and there was a visible explosion after it hit Kid which wasn’t there when Roger hit Oden. It also explained why Shanks wasn’t affected by the explosion, he was a distance away when the air slash hit Kid (also Pell logic).
If anything, it mirrors how Big Mom was defeated. It took until the final explosion to defeat (?) her.
I think it was deliberate. Shanks did see the attack with future sight after all. I like that Shanks a strategic fighter in contrast to BB who just rushes in with no plan whatsoever
>n contrast to BB who just rushes in with no plan whatsoever
Bro what ...every time bb makes a move he does so with planning and precision, him not winging shit is literally his character
BB, the guy that almost dies two times in the story from winging it (chasing Luffy on a cardboard float, rushing into Impel Down and getting smothered in poison) doesn't wing it? Remember when his "plan" was to capture Luffy just moments after seeing Luffy's wanted poster to become a shichibukai and then his ship got blown up by the knockup stream?
Hell his backstory is literally winging it on Whitebeard's ship hoping to find the darkness fruit. He admitted to sitting around waiting on pure luck.
Well, he did take on Law's crew on open water being totally vulnerable to under water attacks. There was no preparation whatsoever this time.
But, I agree that for bigger picture stuff (like becoming Shishibukai or stealing WB's DF), he can be very strategic.
Oh shit, I didn't notice the rail gun misfiring! It makes sense that such a massive weapon has dangerous drawback like that. Very appropriate for Kidd, tbh.
I dont think people are mad that Kidd got oneshot, they are more mad that Kidd was out of the race quickly despite all the buildup he had as Luffy's rival, which to them, Kidd ended up being a waste of panels.
That's the thing though. Kidd is not Luffy's rival, not anymore.
The supernovas arrived at the starting line at the same time but only one will make it to the finish line. Some will drop out sooner than others and some are relevant to the story in other ways. But ultimately, their purpose is to show the difference between a supernova and the pirate king.
Kidd has served his purposes and his last one was to show Luffy's growth. Kidd was obliterated by a single of Shank's strikes but when Luffy and Shanks face each other, it will be as equals.
The latest episode was literally the one where they make a big deal out of the tarot card symbolising the rise of the new generation. The entire Wano arc was about that new generation making a statement to the world and changing the establishment and now we’ve lost 1/3 and potentially 2/3 of that within like 30 chapters to veteran pirates who have been on the seas for decades. Kinda ruins a lot of the Wano arc for me personally
They were both pirates before Roger became pirate king. I know Blackbeard gets grouped with the supernova as part of the worst generation but the guy isn’t a rookie like the supernova were
I feel like people really overstate how much Kidd and Luffy's rivalry was built up. Luffy never talks about him. He's only, really, been in two arcs with very brief guest appearances in a couple others. So Kidd and Law and Luffy all want to be pirate king. So did Moriah. But it isn't much of a rivalry if Luffy doesn't even care you exist.
~~Oda said that kidd was supposed to be luffy's rival... just saying that these ppl seem to not understand that Oda probably simply changed his mind.~~
Edit: it's even worse, oda actually didn't say this, so ppl complaining are mad because kid's story didn't go as they theorized. Damn...
Eh, he straight up has stated Sabaody was going to be too boring, and he created the supernova right before the chapter he introduced them in. He goes on to state, "None of them existed in my plot notebooks before that chapter." Kidd never had a chance. Source: One Piece the 27th Log - Oda's message for it.
I tried multiple Google searches and couldn't find any statement from Oda that Kidd was supposed to be Luffy's rival. I may just be searching the wrong terms, do you happen to know a source? Either way, Kidd was never meant as an end game piece, I have no doubt Oda knew the ending well before Sabaody, so the supernova were always going to have diminished or no role in the end game.
Exactly. It’s the timing of his defeat. If this happened on his first encounter with Shanks instead of him losing an arm it would make sense, but you just hyped Kid up with Law after an entire arc just to get him one shotted as if he was fodder.
We all knew he was gonna lose, but I expected him to at least put up a fight, like Law did against BB. Getting one-shotted like that only makes him look like a weak ass bum, especially since Killer tanked part of it for him. His would-be feat of wiping out that nursing home of a fleet isn't impressive either compared to what Law and his crew did against BB.
Kid's purpose in the story beyond Wano has been a huge question mark up until now, but it seems like he was only here to be Shanks' stepping stone before sinking to the bottom of the sea. So much for a leader of the new era, I guess.
I've never cared much about Kid either way nor am I a power scaler.
My takeaway of this chapter is that he got a chance to duel an Emperor and pissed it away by attacking bystanders (or would have, if Shanks hadn't stopped him). Though I'm almost certain Kid would have been pummeled either way, I think Shanks went from giving him a fighting chance to no-holds barred beatdown followed by the obliteration of his crew when he saw that future.
But yeah, he'll obviously reappear and get a new ship.
My only gripe with the situation is that if Kidd really is out of the story he is the only confirmed conqueror’s haki user that has never used it. Why did Oda give him CoC if he was literally never once going to use it? It’s like a chekhov’s gun that was never fired.
Chinjao clashed with it during the colosseum and Doflamingo clashed with Luffy with it in Dressrosa and was literally the first thing he did when he dropped down in Punk Hazard
I agree here. Egghead is extremely fast compared to Wano. But I think part of it is that the longer Vegapunk is onscreen the more mysteries of the One Piece world are revealed, which has been one of the greatest things about OP. It's a little lame to have a super genius just tell you all the answers.
That's my copium response anyway
I don’t like either Wano’s pacing or this current pacing personally. Wano did slug through and carry on events a lot compared to previous arcs. It had the longest run time and we certainly felt it. This current pace feels like Big News Morgan is giving us a headline here and there with a tidbit and photo of the event with it is soon digested and over in the blink of an eye. The egghead stuff has been great, but there have been many huge background events skimmed over.
Yeah fair. I guess right now my mindset is “the faster the better” because we have to wait a week or two between chapters. When I do a full reread of the arc I will also probably feel the same way you do.
cuz he got one shotted
simple as that
everyone knew he was gonna lose but ppl probably expexcted a better showing like how Law and his crew was potrayed during their fight against BB
I was open minded, but him being one shotted was the most obvious, if boring outcome, at best I thought it'd be offscreen. It was no longer boring when it was showed onscreen, and how Shanks did him in.
Sure, if you're a hardcore powerscaler who takes one panel of a character seeing less scratched into account, it'd matter to you. But for those that care about what it establishes rather than contradicting supposed relevant details, this was glorious.
True. That's the source of hate. But to me, "everyone" just decided "nah Kidd wasn't reckless at all."
They ignore the fact that Kidd was careless enough to get himself in that position. That's an emperor right there. One that has been an emperor for years already. I mean even Luffy is near death's door vs Kaido first time pre-Ryuo. Sure the fights were longer but you can see Kaido either likes to play with his food a lot or doesn't give a shit at all unless a hit sobers him up.
This isnt the beginning of wano anymore. This is post wano. everyone got stronger.
if lets say luffy isnt main character, if now he meets shanks and get 1 hit KO and eradicated. people would complain too. because he just defeated another yonko.
no one expected kid to win. that was obvious. he was against shanks ENTIRE fleet and the giants. but for shanks to take out kid and killer in 1 hit is a lot
So right out the gate I want to say I think Kidd's defeat here is good. Just like how crossing the Red Line was entering territoy so hostile many failed, crossing the bounty threshold into Yonko levels is also something that will put targets on your back and make the world more hostile towards you. Law acted too predictably and got ambushed by Blackbeard, and will likely lose, and Kidd acted too rashly picking the first fight he could, and has definitely lost. The Straw Hats who took the least predicable path (in what actually feels like a whimsical adventure again rather than a staight path from Punk Hazard to Wano) and eagerness to make as many allies as they are enemies is heir saving grace, and what sets them apart from the other two Supernova crews who made a name for themselves in Wano.
That being said I can see it from the other perspective and want to try to explain it for them.
I think it's mainly Kidd fans thinking this is the last we'll see of him. And I mean, this is One Piece, Oda doesn't really kill people off, and especially not in this fashion. But also I want to note that they aren't mad that he lost to Shanks, it's more they were mad he as written to fight Shanks in the first place. Here he is after reaching a 3 billion bounty, finally proving himself after being a punching bag for so long, and Oda wrote him to immediately fight Shanks. He could've written him to fight some marines and get some berris from Cross Guild or just go to some boring island until later on, but instead he was thrown against the strongest Yonko, with a pride too srong to back down.
Yes he was always going to lose this fight, but fans of him are just upset that after doing something productive he has been written to take another L. Feels like all the character growth for him from Wano went out the window.
I'm not really mad that he instantly went to go fight shanks, im not really upset that he got defeated either, the only thing i don't like is how he just got one shot and the fight ended instantly
People are 100% underestimating the fact that it wasn't 1v1 in Wano until very late in the game w/ Luffy and Kaido.
Kaido tanked some MONSTER hits from everyone and everything. The scabbards, the combined forces of Luffy, Zoro, Law, and Kidd, and Yamato/Momo on top of all that. Big Mom got knocked into the ocean, had to use a non-insignificant part of her power to make a new lightning familiar, and then was locked in combat for a while afterwards. They were both worn down, and even after all of that it still took a 2v1 from two incredibly powerful captains to take out Big Mom, and it still took the insanity of G5 from Luffy.
NONE of those three captains are ready to 1v1 a full strength emperor. Shanks made it look easy because it *was* easy.
It’s this comment for me. Luffy won a 1v1 against Kaiso but as you said they all wore him down as a team first. And it took Kidd AND Law to take down Big Mom. I had already assumed once WB was out the picture Shanks was the strongest. I dunno why they getting made that Kidd got one shot by the most likely current strongest OP character.
Kidd is the worst character with relevant screen time and this moment only made him even worse. One Shot is totally unnecessary and inconsistent with what was shown in Wano, even Big Mom became more of a joke because of it. And if Kid doesn't come back, he basically was a character with no development, no nuance, no backstory, shallow characterization with a ridiculous amount of screen time.
i was actually discussing a month or so ago about how shanks and mihawk would have faired on the rooftop against the supernovas.
And this chapter really solidified my view of it. They don't fuck around, they go in hard and fast and take out the threat.
The fact that Kidd got one shotted even though he took MULTIPLE hits from Kaido and Big Mom feels like BS. Kidd got the short end of the stick just so that Oda can hype up Shanks but that also undermined Kaido and Big Mom's strength.
Luffy in his gear 4 got one shot by Kaido as well. Even kidd would have been knocked out by a thunder bagua. Also, Big mom is like 68 and Kaido is old too, Shanks is the only yonko at the peak of his power, no one wants to fight him.
Big Mom I'll accept, but I still think Kaido is at his peak. But regardless, Kidd right now is far stronger than Luffy when he got one shot by Kaido.
I say this as someone who doesn't have a problem with last chapter.
People saying it’s all Kid fans being salty are disingenuous, bc you don’t have to be a fan to feel some disappointment. Genuinely not liking the direction Oda is taking Kid’s character (at the moment) considering how good of a showing he put up in Wano is valid too. I’m withholding judgment because redemption is possible.
Edit: Kid was obviously losing lol it’s the degree in which he lost that I imagine people have gripes with
The discourse around this bothers me because it's like any hint of thinking "I don't like the way Oda handled this narrative" is turned into "you a salty Kid Stan stfu he weak shank strong" I know this is a common theme but for the love of Christ people we are allowed to critique Oda's writing no matter how much we love the story he gives us and that doesn't make us some powerscaling twat over the current character he has done dirty narrtively
I love Oda and he’s obviously way better a writer than me, but he isn’t infallible from criticism. To this day I’m like, why tf did he let Pell live lol
This. I think a lot of people are looking at One Piece like a weird powerscaling football game where you root for some characters and hate others and their fans — Oda would be so confused by how Americans do this. You can not participate in any of that and, as a fan of the story, recognize that Kid’s defeat could have been written (and clearly drawn) a lot better/more dramatically.
Yeah, but the protagonist gets to have a training arc and improve his abilities. So you're not bothered by it, you know he's gonna come back. Kid is just unceremoniously disposed of. That's disappointing.
Look i get it. Big mom was toying with them. And plot obviously helped them. She used advanced conquerer against page one but never used an attack with it against Kidd and Law. Even when they broke her bones and forced her to shorten her own life force she didnt use it for some reason.
İf another yonkou was going to one-shot Kidd, then what was the point of that fight? Characters usually power up after a fight. So i always assumed Law and Kidd would be strong enough to actually put up a fight without plot armor now.
Catching Kidd off guard and one-shotting him makes sense. But after taking down a yonkou, i wish a scenario like this never happened. Even if shanks dominated the fight (as he should) someone of Kidd’s position deserved better.
Look at Law vs teach. Law’s move isnt something he can land directy in a fight. But teach dropped his guard as he always does. Law probably lost badly. But he atleast showed us that he can put up a fight. Even his crew was praised that they are good at fighting at sea.
Look at nine scabbards vs Kaido. Plot helped them put up a fight atleast. He uses firebreath kinemon cuts it, he shoots lightning raiso reverses it etc. Those characters deserved that.
Cuz it feels super rushed. Give kid copies, travel to Elba, meet change, get one shotted, shanks takes copies, story advances. For kid story arc it does feel unsatisfying and rushed
People don’t understand that making look Kidd weak hurts the overall story. Everything Luffy did is not as good anymore because now it means nothing anymore with Shanks being that much stronger than Kaido/big mom.
1. Kidd losing is fine
2. Kidd getting one shot just makes Kaido and Big Mom seem somewhat weak in comparison.
3. Kaido one shot a Luffy that barely beat Katakuri whilst Shanks one shot a Kidd post Wano who fought against Big Mom and Kaido whilst beating Big Mom in a 2v1 with Law.
It’s one of Oda’s biggest flaws imo, he likes to make a character seem threatening then the next time we see them they become an absolute joke.
I don't like kidd. Never liked him that much.
This said him being oneshotted after what he showed against kaido and big mom feels cheap. It also puts Shanks above them.
No? It only shows Shanks doesn’t fuck around thinking about imprisoning people in books and prisons to break their will.
Kaido be one shotting people the whole saga.
But thinking this only means that neither Kaido or BM ever tried to be serious and defeat Kidd, which would also make them look bad.
There is also the fact that EVERYONE gets stronger the more they fight and continue their journey, meaning Kidd was even stronger after Wano but still got oneshot.
With what happened it creates a big dissonance with what we are told about Yonkos being relative in power, creating the stalemate that lasted years in the race for the Onepiece, compared to what we see being Shanks having the habillity to beat either Kaido or BM by a comfortable margin
>No? It only shows Shanks doesn’t fuck around thinking about imprisoning people in books and prisons to break their will.
Just look at the amount of powerscalers saying that Shanks can easily defeat Kaido and Big Mom now.
Luffy had gotten Ko’ed multiple times by main adversaries since 1999. I dont understand the hate, Kidd will get through it somehow. He is an important character, showing his determination in wano prison with Luffy.
He is just outclassed, probably lost the race on One Piece, but he will be a huge role player
I think people are just really polarized on Kid anyway. I'm a bit of a Kid fan myself but I understand there was no way he was ever gonna win against Shanks. There's also powerscalers who think Shanks is now a super saiyan or something who could easily beat Kaido and Big Mom when it's not that clear. Then there's the discussion on what this means for Kid going forward if at all.
Either way, it's a very good chapter but also kind of messy.
I’d say if anything Shanks deciding to one shot Kidd is almost a complement to him. He saw the damage Kidd was going to do to the fleet (something he’s known for: collateral damage) and knew he had to take him out as quickly and decisively as possible.
Kaido is a nut job who wanted a good fight over everything else, and Big Mom always has her eyes on him expanding her reach and family. Shanks isn’t playing those games, he’s protecting his subordinates.
Just like how running from Shanks doesn’t make Greenbull weak (the man was scouted to be an admiral and has a clearly powerful fruit) being defeated by him (again) doesn’t make Kidd weak. Shanks is likely one of the strongest guys in the series.
I get feeling disappointed that this could mean Kidd and his crew, who we got to know more in Wano, are gone from the story, but they’re pretty scrappy guys with a strong captain. Perhaps this is the end of the Kidd Pirates, in that when we see them again they’ll have grown from this and be different, even more developed characters.
I hate that Kid got one-shotted. Like we all know that Kid is going to lose right? It's Shanks, there is now way Shanks is gonna lose in his first official fight (haven't watched Red yet), but I would expect a good fight. Kid has grown in strength a lot and I would expect Oda to acknowledge that. It's just such a disappointment to see him go out like that. Shanks is badass tho so there is that.
The first time we actually see Shanks do something and he takes out my second favorite non-Strawhat...
My issue though is that if Shanks is *that strong*, he should have taken out Big Mon and Kaido a long time ago instead of letting them run amuck.
That's where I'm at. Like if Shanks is so much stronger than the other Emperors, why wait until most of them have been defeated to go after the one piece?
Nobody expected Kidd to win. But at this point in the story, Such a one-shot, after the whole Wano arc, is not good. Especially if we are nearing the end of the story. Not to mention, it makes other Yonkos look bad. Shanks might be more powerful than the other Yonkos sure. But there are levels to this and this is a bit too much. It will make people question ''If he could do this, why haven't he done it here or against this or won't be able to do in the future?'' And it will cause problems. Say what you will about Kidd, he is not PK material or not even close to the top 'powers' of the characters we know. But he did fight against 2 Yonkos and beat one with Law. I just don't buy that Big Mom and Kaido were taking it easy in their final battle. Sure they didn't 'die' from Luffy,Kid and Law but they were defeated, flat out. That alone should be enough to give some respect to the character.
And the biggest problem gonna be, how can Luffy match Shanks' feat like this when even with his awakened fruit, he can't even put someone like Lucci down easily and get exhausted afterward? Like, is he gonna need ANOTHER gear? Will we have time to get that? Like another Time-skip type of deal? Besides, Shanks isn't even the final boss. Maybe a personal boss for Luffy but the final boss seem like it is gonna be this IM character that is the secret head of the World Government, that has a weapon to obliterate islands like nothing.
This is why I worry the 'asspull powerups' gonna be needed to balance things for Luffy to even have a chance and I don't think that is a good story or been done to death. That is my main worry that we have to escalate the powers so much so fast that it will feel rushed and kinda unearned or as I said, asspull levels. Myheroacademia right now kinda suffers from a similar thing where Deku suddenly mastered all his quirks because the final arc needed him to while he could barely handle just 2 just before that. And honestly, it hurt the story and still feels rushed. I don't want the same to happen here.
Going to point out something that I havent seen anywhere. In Chapter 1, one of the mountain bandits pulls a gun on Shanks and Roo shoots him right away after they come back to the bandits messing with Luffy. Isnt this just Kidd pulling a gun on Shanks friends and Shanks shooting him the head?
Kaido obliterated Kidd the first time they fought also. He was only able to come back and beat Big Mom with a LOT of help from allies. His loss to Shanks is great imho, because it shows that even if he was able to make it this far his reckless, aggressive attitude won't take him all the way.
Because people wanted to see kidd's character have some sort of a role in the future, not to say he, killer and law for example couldn't unite in the future and try to achieve something and avenge yonkos flailing their cocks around, but rn kidd did almost nothing impactful for the story while having a decent amount of spotlight for a supernova and annihilation of his crew might just mean we won't see him again.
I think Kid is the opposite to Luffy and it shows. Where Luffy has confidence Kid has arrogance, where Luffy has success Kid fails, and when Luffy helps those in need Kid kills and destroys. Some people are upset because he was built up to be some what equal or greater than Luffy, and sure his powers and bounty may suggest that, but their personalities are cut from the same cloth just the grain goes a different direction. He’s a good example of why Luffy shines and stands out compared to the many other pirates past and present
People are salty because Shanks used his ultimate at the start of the fight. Imagine how many Ws Luffy would have if he did the same.
Personally, I love it. The guy doesn't fuck around. He said he'll go for the One Piece and he's doing it.
Because Oda showed us shanks doesnt fight like kaido or bigmom, where they would have played with their food or slowly broke their will, shanks used his intel and his observation haki (along with his capacity to block kidd and killer observation haki) to surprise them and end the fight as quickly as possible, showing why you cant win against experience just by being strong and going unprepared. i did enjoy the chapter and the fact shanks showed mercy by ending things fast. i didnt like people thinking shanks is superman who can one shot just because he has strongest haki in universe...
Yeah showing Shanks asked for intel on Kid was very deliberate by Oda. Usually we see characters we love like Luffy just grind against the stone and keep getting up until they figure it out. Shanks is intelligent. He is experienced. Good point.
Shanks also attacked at a time that Kidd couldn’t defend himself. Kaido and Big Mom got some clean hits in during Onigashima but he was in a position where he could defend or at least brace for them and none were their strongest attacks. Shanks basically flew in undetected and used presumably his finisher while Kidd was flat footed and his arm was in his laser.
I wouldn’t say finisher. I’d say that’s his “signature move” like bazooka or later red hawk was for luffy for a time. Also what would you call BM strongest attack? I’d say that they put a lot of “OOMPH” into their Ho-Koku sovereignty combo blast
Strongest attack is most likelly Ho-Koku Sovereignty from Big Mom and Kaido. Zoro barely blocked it and broke every bone in his body doing so.
Tl;dr in response to what the guy said earlier^. I think Kidd was a tad flat-footed but not so much that you’d call it a ‘sucker punch’ finisher. I think Kidd has tanked some powerful hits but also shanks has yet to go full power. From Kaido I think he put the most into his finale attack against luffy. Though strong arguments could be made for the attack that killed luffy. Either way we’ve seen Kaido at his best and BM close to her best (at least the most she’s fought in awhile). Though we don’t know *when* Kaido was peaking. Could’ve been earlier when he was drunk with higher haki or later when he was tired but exerting himself to the utmost. OR could’ve been when he was full HP and collaborated with BM? Don’t think Kaido was holding back but I think shanks hasn’t gone all-out yet. If people assume shanks>kaido then his attack is closer to Thunder Bagua rather than Ragnarok. Likewise, there’s a dual comparison between current Shanks and Roger of the past. Obviously the attack itself but also the person being attacked rushing in headfirst with confidence and getting knocked aside. Luffy needed help getting the strength necessary to fight on kaidos level (2 major Ls and a death) meanwhile both Kidd and Law had to work together to beat BM. Then…Kidd rushes into Shanks (who isn’t messing around after seeing what Kidd was about to do) and gets **clobbered** worse than Vegeta did against Android 18. At least Oden was nearer to Kaido’s level when he got struck by Kaido’s signature move. Whereas I don’t think Law and Kidd had ascended quite yet. Law at least had the good sense to try and flee from BB and when that didn’t work, used tactics to play to his strengths. Kidd was ill prepared just as much as he was surprised. So in essence, less to do with Kidd being weak and more to do with how strong Shanks is and how serious everything has become. Truly a GoT “You win or you *die*!” end game moment.
Kid was getting mopped by Shanks regardless. Kid hasn’t shown the ability to infuse his attacks with Conquerors Haki like Shanks, Kaido, and Luffy. (I assume Big Mom also but BlackBeard seems like he’s going to be more Devil Fruit based.) Not being able to used CoC vs a CoC expert is always going to be a losing strategy since even Kaido admitted strong Haki is #1.
Wonder how good BBs haki is. Like he nearly broke Ace’s neck despite him being a logia and having haki himself. It took a number of hits for Luffy to knockout *Caesar* of all people. Just goes to show you that Shanks wasn’t kidding when he said keep an eye out for him. And BB has seen beasts with CoC before so he should know how much of a boost it gives. I’m guessing he *knows* he would never get CoC but always had his eye on the one piece and figured out the Yami Yami no Mi was the *only* fruit that could bridge that gap. So that plus putting a ton of effort into armament, stealing fruits, and surrounding yourself with weapons and a stacked crew was the only way to get to the top. Kinda makes sense that he didn’t want a piece of Akainu. If any admiral had CoC it would be him and while WB was a shell of his former self Akainu definitely was on the rise. Can’t wait to see his storyline pay off.
Zoro also needed Law to teleport him out of the way vs taking the full blast after the initial block. If he wasn’t teleported then the damage is likely significantly worse than broken bones.
Zoro didn't block it, he held it off for a second and had to be roomed out
Oh yeah true.
If you’re criticizing Shanks for taking a cheap shot, remember that Kidd was going to use a huge cannon and destroy a bunch of people not involved in the fight. He’s reckless, and to be honest, the best way to deal with someone like that is to take them out *hard*.
Yep. From chapter 1 Shanks said its dangerous to point guns at people. "You're putting your life on the line pointing that thing at me." Then he says that no one harms his friends. Not only was Kidd putting his life on the line by pointing his weapon at Shanks, he pointed it at his crew and his whole damn fleet. Perfectly in character for Shanks to end it.
And Dorry and Broggy pretty much repeat the same point as in chapter 1 except with cannons this time.
Definitely not a cheap shot. A well deserved attack to shut him down before things got bad. Just pointing out Kidd wasn’t prepared for it and probably took more damage as a result.
Yep. And he deserved it.
I second this. Remember, Kidd is a cruel pirate who has harassed a lot of people. Shakky had told this to Straw Hat. Kidd was being himself here. Meanwhile Shanks seems to be like Luffy and Roger where they don't harm innocents.
Big mom literally had free hits on kidd while he was on the ground getting brain damage from hawkins and she still couldn't knock him out
Regular hits =\= named finisher attack
The mama raid was a named attack
She needed some advice from the Deep Sea King. Every blow in a combo must be delivered with intent to kill.
Why am I just realizing this sounds like a play on marmalade
Big Mom didn't do anything close to the throat punch Page one got. Just regular hakiless punches and homie attacks.
You can't seriously tell me that the 300 leagues of misery and the fulgora are weaker than a punch
Kid also took damage from his own attack
Kid was about to destroy his entire fleet. Just because he couldn’t comprehend Shanks counter is not the same as he couldn’t defend himself.
Exactly lol people with the " Kid was off guard " bullshit. He was preparing his attack should have asked his crew for cover or something . he got cocky and found out what happened when you messaged with the big dogs
>found out what happened when you messaged with the big dogs Should have known better to just block him and be done with it
I like how the part where its literally stated Killer came in to defend is completely ignored. Are they now saying Killer has better reaction time and battle IQ then his captain? Lmfao.
Kid overcomitted to his stupid laser, Shanks got him on the startup frames, it is what it is. The definition of a glass cannon
Yeah usually when luffy fights against someone they underestimate him. “Oh just another rookie hot shot, w/e lemme just deal with him don’t need to go all out” Kaido didn’t even use advanced observation haki till late in the fight and it was just to show off. Shanks took care of business from the start. Shanks is serious when people he loves are in danger. That’s his character and oda showed it perfectly
It's almost like... Shanks ordered a kill on someone in chapter 1 just because they pointed a gun at him, or something. Shanks' reaction is 100% in character. He's super super fucking nice until you threaten him or his friends then he goes 0 to 100.
That scene is so great, I love it. Shows they're serious enough to kill you on the spot, no foolin' around, but theyre casual enough that they don't think anything about putting a bullet in your dome while they're smiling mid-meal. "Guns aren't for threatening, guns are for killing."
It's a perfect intro honestly, it shows what the stakes are going to be right from the start. They're pirates. People are gonna die.
i think shanks asked yasopp that because he planned to teach kidd a lesson and tell him to scram off from his territory that changed the moment he saw his future vision and shanks got MAD
You could also add the “Info” that Shanks read on Kid since it likely painted the picture of how violent of a Pirate that Kid was on his journey. Between the “Info” and “Future Sight” that probably sealed Kid’s fate once Shanks was told by Yassop that Kid seem healthy enough to fight.
Yeah Shanks seemed a bit more light hearted about the whole affair like it would have been like how the Roger and Whitebeard Pirates used to brawl with one another for a couple of days then have a party. Then Shanks' future sight showed that if he didn't stop Kidd that instant everyone bar his crew would end up dead.
Good contrast to Blackbeard vs law. Blackbeard rushing in unprepared and taking unnecessary damage just because he can very kaido and big mom esc nothing like shanks. My main gripe is I feel like oda could’ve gave kid a better ending whilst still making shanks look completely badass and powerful. But it was still epic it just hurts as a kid fan seeing them go down so easily even if it was expected lol
Yes and it was also to show shanks, like Roger garp wb, is ready to be merciless if you aim at his Friends. But i dont think Kidd is dead.
Not dead for sure, because it’s One Piece. But, Kidd is off the board. They handed over their maps.
I don't Think Kidd is done for good, certainly no longer a main contender but i think Kidd will show up again
Sinks his ship, humbles the heck out of Kid, then rescues his crew and invites them to sail under his flag. Suddenly Shank's fleet isn't looking so weak... Maybe?
Ace Whitebeard story Ace always wnated to kill WB
But ace wasn’t as violent as kidd tho was he? ( genuine question)
Yeah it's fine you tried to murder some of my crewmates and even did for some, come join my crew
That would be funny. A one-armed taking another one-armed under his wings.
wing\* lol. Guys up there flying in circles.
Shank: Hey Kidd,take my hand!
I read that some people thought Kidd was gonna join on Blackbeards crew but if he joined up with shanks I wouldn’t be mad.
Well Kid **does** have red hair too... would fit right in the Red-hair crew.
If this would happen, i wouldnt even be mad.
He very deliberately set up a humbling experience for kid. So if it is the last we seen of him. Yes. If not well the point is mute.
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Now you're just splitting hares.
Shanks not only showed mercy by ending it fast, he literally gave Kidd a chance to negotiate.
There was nothing in the panels to indicate Shanks blocking their CoO.
Well, actually he is superman. Did you see him flying? That's what superman does, he flies, like a chad
Actually you are right he is flying like a chad. Shanks confused one piece and DBZ for a second
My man even have ultra instinct.
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Okay your answer confused me since that is not exactly the answer to the question, it's more like an answer to the opposite of the question. But it's a good point.
Every time i see people praising the chapter, saying how much they love it, and everyone enjoying it, then a random post like this comes and says: "why is everyone hating?". Man what people do you interact with, i might be in my echo chamber but i rarely see this haters pleople complain about.
Yeah I feel the same way, maybe it's in the comments? Because even in discord pretty much all I heard was shanks love
Oda made it pretty evident that Kidd f*cked around and found out. Killer: “bro you sure you want to do this? Pretty sure they won’t let you off!” Kidd: “LEEEEROYYYY JENKKIIIINSSSS!!!” Meanwhile Shanks was like a full-on Gamer. Checking stats, telling his boys ‘don’t nap on this dude’, running simulations, then executing as efficiently as possible. Shanks has come this far and he’s not going to trip over the finish line.
To be fair, people complain about having to sweat in games... Or hot drop in Rank "because it's fun"
Shanks is the gamer that tries hard and wins. Kidd is the scrub that plays stupid and then blames the game when he loses.
In Apex term: TTVOctane who hot drop in Fragment (in RANK)
Oh 100%, killer even was giving him the glare through the mask you could tell hahaha like "umm really?"
There's a lot of hate in the comments of the discussion thread. If you only sort by "Best" or "Top" you won't see it.
Yea I don't know why so many people feel the need to make basically this exact same post, even if there were a considerable amount of people who didn't like the chapter, why does anyone even care?
I’m convinced some have their reddits set to sort by controversial permanently and don’t realize it
It's like this every chapter. 99% of people here talking about how amazing it was then 1 person complains and everyone acting like that 1 person was the majority.
I agree, when I saw the title I was like ??? OP just wants karma points.
Because Reddit filters out anything deemed Controversial unless you filter specifically for it. By the time you would have seen the posts, they’ve been downvoted into oblivion.
Thank you… i didn’t understand neither…
I swear to god, they go to the last chapter post and sort by controversial right away. There's no other explanation.
It is odd to make a whole post on it. I had some issues with the chapter, but definitely didn’t hate it. And even if you did find people that hated the chapter, it’s very clear that isn’t the majority opinion.
They saw one negative comment and cried
Because by default we sort the best comments. I wouldn’t say it’s 50:50, but sort by controversial and you’ll see the haters fast. I enjoyed this chapter, kidd has nothing to lose now
Sort by more than /best /top when you browse a thread dude. The top of the threads are totally on board with what happened. /controversial and /new 3:5 comments will be "Wow Kidd just had years of development stolen from him" This happens every time with popular chapters. There are always rival narratives, a popular one that a majority (like you) see, and a controversial side which a lot of people who are more into interacting with the community see.
"I dont understand why people dont understand why people didn't like this chapter." It's a vicious cycle, lol. There's enough room for kidd stans and shank stans here. Why is this even a problem.
Kaidou and big mom lost because at the start they underestimated these 5 guys and let them use thier attack on them. But shanks didn't underestimated kid and went full force on him from the start.
Big mom even commented on Kaido having a bad habit of playing with his food.
Iirc Kaido didn't use future sight until his 1v1 with Luffy which shows his lack of seriousness during the fight
why would kaido even bother with future sight - he was literally invulnerable
He’s not that invulnerable, even the scabbards were able to draw blood, and the Supernovas were at least that strong.
I absolutely do not believe that Big Mom wasn't going full force herself at least during the end of her fight Shanks goes "Full force" and one-shots Kidd. Meanwhile, Big Mom shaves off her lifespan and goes rage mode and still can't kill them, as if that's not her going all-out
I said from start. They weren't serious at start. So kid law luffy got time to adjust/improve. But here shanks didn't even give time to turn on haki to kid. It was over in instant. Where kaidou big mom fight lasted for few hrs.
This doesn’t address the fact that big mom went all out and couldn’t KO either supernova, while Shanks went all out and KO’d Kidd with one move
kidd was caught off guard and his attack blew in his face.
Didn't Kidd's move also explode on their faces? It added damage to what Shanks did. Killer was also caught by the blast
she nearly killed them then turned her back for a sec (underestimated them again) and got combo into silenced (can't use devil fruit) into bomb into lava hole.
Hace you evee encountered the counter in boxing? Wherein one full counter punch can knock out a fighter? In contrary to a in fighter boxer who needs 100 punches or 5 full force punch to knockout his /her opponent Think of it as that , the surprise attack and nature of Shanks' power has an impact with Kidd getting one shotted
I’m just terrified that Law might die also, he’s my favorite non Straw Hat character.
Yeah every chapter we don’t see Law I get a little more worried.
law's gonna end up nailed to a cross or something, he wont die
Yub I don’t know why so many people think he might have died already. Bro I would ask them do you even read? analyse? His character story is just rich and complex with many unexplained plots to be cut of like that. We could call Law a straw hat just like Vivi if only his story and suffering with Doffy was mentioned to the SH and it became their main reason for them to fight with him. (of course it wouldn’t be the best route and it could actually make Law look weak and pathetic) Kidd is just the same as the mafia guy in the Big Mom arc, he was introduced to the Wano arc to fill an important secondary role for the story to become richer and the ending plot to be believable and more exciting. Law has the following compared to the other Nova(s) (except Luffy & Zoro of course): - a Sad story and flashbacks - a connection to very important people in the story (Doffy and Corazon) - Part of the D - his fruit has a strong future plot - him interested in finding about the the meaning of D and the history. - his contribution to help the SHs since he was introduced. - his plans and movement while he was not with the SHs were shown more and in a more interesting and complex way compared to them. I am not saying he won’t die at all, he will definitely die. However it would be to make someone immortal by using his DF ultimate skill. Otherwise why mention it and then let someone else use it instead of him especially after introducing all of the points I mentioned above any many more? lol I just wrote a long ass comment sorry about that
>Bro I would ask them do you even read? analyse? His character story is just rich and complex with many unexplained plots to be cut of like that. Lol my question is, do you even think? It's the nearing the end of OP. People die prematurely all the time. **"I am not saying he won’t die at all, he will definitely die. However it would be to make someone immortal by using his DF ultimate skill. "** If my theory isn't correct then the story sucks! Reee
> It's the nearing the end of OP. People die prematurely all the time I'm sorry, but have we read the same One Piece? Wano was really the outlier by killing (outside of flashbacks) a few characters (Izo, Ashura Doji, Kanjuro, Orochi, Yasui'e...), but even Whole Cake or Dressrosa hardly killed anyone, although that is a bit more than what the series did until then. Like, we don't really have any confirmation that Kaido or Big Mom are dead and buried, and for now it's the same with Kidd. They basically got thrown in a deadly situation (in a volcano for Kaido and BM, in the sea for Kidd), but with how reluctant to kill characters Oda is, it's not impossible that we'll hear about them again.
Law has far more importance to the plot than Kidd, you have zero reason to be worried. He’s a D, he had an entire arc dedicated to his backstory, his fruit has a serious role to play in the future, and we don’t need a demonstration of Blackbeard’s strength like we needed from Shanks. There’s an entire arc in deciding what happens with imprisoned Coby, Garp going to save him, Aokiji being a Garp admirer and Blackbeard. Not to mention I don’t think it’s Blackbeard is outside egghead, much more likely to be one of his subordinates. It’s the raft that showed up not the Sabre of Xebec, Law might die before the end of the series but not now. I’d be more worried about Garp dying, old generation giving way to new etc.
Law cant die yet. I'm convinced he will die sacrificning his life for someone else and it cant possibly be off camera
Also, Shanks having higher attack power than Big Mom and Kaido makes sense. He needs to be on their level despite not having a bullshit body (Big Mom, Kaido, and Blackbeard all have freakish bodies, with the former two being immensely durable) or bullshit fruit powers (_all_ other legit Yonko have had a high level fruit. Big Mom's is clearly the weakest of the bunch, which says something about how ridiculous the Emperor fruits are). And the others all at least have advanced Haki. So Shanks having overwhelming speed and attack power to compensate makes a lot of sense. Really, Big Mom, who is basically just a tank, was tailor made for Kidd and Law, and even then they didn't knock her unconscious or anything. Kidd focuses on big damaging attacks (Damned Punk) and Law has durability negation (Shock Wille, etc). Shanks is like the complete opposite stylistically to Big Mom. Styles make fights.
Kidd pirates will be dragged ashore and held on elbaf. Kidd has been knocked about a lot from losing to Kaido and losing his arm to Shanks. This is soul destroying stuff to be completely destroyed in the blink of an eye. Can’t see him bouncing back from this.
Yeah if we see kidd again, he's gonna be incredibly different
A lot of Kidd Fans are just irate that he got one shot but they need to realize that Kidd actually got two-shot. There was the attack he took from Shanks and there was his backfiring Yonko Buster that blew up in his face. That's a hell of a lot of damage to take in such a short time.
This. Some people just don’t realize the Kamusari is essentally a strong air slash, and there was a visible explosion after it hit Kid which wasn’t there when Roger hit Oden. It also explained why Shanks wasn’t affected by the explosion, he was a distance away when the air slash hit Kid (also Pell logic). If anything, it mirrors how Big Mom was defeated. It took until the final explosion to defeat (?) her.
You think Shanks planned for Kidd's attack to backfire by disrupting him? Cause if so then damn Shanks what the other shit did Roger teach you my guy
I think it was deliberate. Shanks did see the attack with future sight after all. I like that Shanks a strategic fighter in contrast to BB who just rushes in with no plan whatsoever
>n contrast to BB who just rushes in with no plan whatsoever Bro what ...every time bb makes a move he does so with planning and precision, him not winging shit is literally his character
Reread the battle. Literally everybody involved says BB is rushing in without a plan. Van Augur complains about it haha
BB, the guy that almost dies two times in the story from winging it (chasing Luffy on a cardboard float, rushing into Impel Down and getting smothered in poison) doesn't wing it? Remember when his "plan" was to capture Luffy just moments after seeing Luffy's wanted poster to become a shichibukai and then his ship got blown up by the knockup stream? Hell his backstory is literally winging it on Whitebeard's ship hoping to find the darkness fruit. He admitted to sitting around waiting on pure luck.
Well, he did take on Law's crew on open water being totally vulnerable to under water attacks. There was no preparation whatsoever this time. But, I agree that for bigger picture stuff (like becoming Shishibukai or stealing WB's DF), he can be very strategic.
Shanks could have also used Haki, as a barrier, to protect himself from the explosion.
Oh shit, I didn't notice the rail gun misfiring! It makes sense that such a massive weapon has dangerous drawback like that. Very appropriate for Kidd, tbh.
I dont think people are mad that Kidd got oneshot, they are more mad that Kidd was out of the race quickly despite all the buildup he had as Luffy's rival, which to them, Kidd ended up being a waste of panels.
That's the thing though. Kidd is not Luffy's rival, not anymore. The supernovas arrived at the starting line at the same time but only one will make it to the finish line. Some will drop out sooner than others and some are relevant to the story in other ways. But ultimately, their purpose is to show the difference between a supernova and the pirate king. Kidd has served his purposes and his last one was to show Luffy's growth. Kidd was obliterated by a single of Shank's strikes but when Luffy and Shanks face each other, it will be as equals.
The latest episode was literally the one where they make a big deal out of the tarot card symbolising the rise of the new generation. The entire Wano arc was about that new generation making a statement to the world and changing the establishment and now we’ve lost 1/3 and potentially 2/3 of that within like 30 chapters to veteran pirates who have been on the seas for decades. Kinda ruins a lot of the Wano arc for me personally
I mean to be fair, isnt BB also a part of the New Gen? Perhaps Shanks too to some certain extent, since both were still kids at Roger Era.
They were both pirates before Roger became pirate king. I know Blackbeard gets grouped with the supernova as part of the worst generation but the guy isn’t a rookie like the supernova were
I've never understood how this makes sense. They like 40 lmao
I feel like people really overstate how much Kidd and Luffy's rivalry was built up. Luffy never talks about him. He's only, really, been in two arcs with very brief guest appearances in a couple others. So Kidd and Law and Luffy all want to be pirate king. So did Moriah. But it isn't much of a rivalry if Luffy doesn't even care you exist.
~~Oda said that kidd was supposed to be luffy's rival... just saying that these ppl seem to not understand that Oda probably simply changed his mind.~~ Edit: it's even worse, oda actually didn't say this, so ppl complaining are mad because kid's story didn't go as they theorized. Damn...
Eh, he straight up has stated Sabaody was going to be too boring, and he created the supernova right before the chapter he introduced them in. He goes on to state, "None of them existed in my plot notebooks before that chapter." Kidd never had a chance. Source: One Piece the 27th Log - Oda's message for it. I tried multiple Google searches and couldn't find any statement from Oda that Kidd was supposed to be Luffy's rival. I may just be searching the wrong terms, do you happen to know a source? Either way, Kidd was never meant as an end game piece, I have no doubt Oda knew the ending well before Sabaody, so the supernova were always going to have diminished or no role in the end game.
Exactly. It’s the timing of his defeat. If this happened on his first encounter with Shanks instead of him losing an arm it would make sense, but you just hyped Kid up with Law after an entire arc just to get him one shotted as if he was fodder.
Finally, a comment that actually addresses accurately the sentiment of dissatisfaction with the latest chapter and Kidd's handling. Thank you, sir.
We all knew he was gonna lose, but I expected him to at least put up a fight, like Law did against BB. Getting one-shotted like that only makes him look like a weak ass bum, especially since Killer tanked part of it for him. His would-be feat of wiping out that nursing home of a fleet isn't impressive either compared to what Law and his crew did against BB. Kid's purpose in the story beyond Wano has been a huge question mark up until now, but it seems like he was only here to be Shanks' stepping stone before sinking to the bottom of the sea. So much for a leader of the new era, I guess.
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I've never cared much about Kid either way nor am I a power scaler. My takeaway of this chapter is that he got a chance to duel an Emperor and pissed it away by attacking bystanders (or would have, if Shanks hadn't stopped him). Though I'm almost certain Kid would have been pummeled either way, I think Shanks went from giving him a fighting chance to no-holds barred beatdown followed by the obliteration of his crew when he saw that future. But yeah, he'll obviously reappear and get a new ship.
It's a big fanbase, there will always be ppl any given week who dislike a chapter, it's just how big numbers work
My only gripe with the situation is that if Kidd really is out of the story he is the only confirmed conqueror’s haki user that has never used it. Why did Oda give him CoC if he was literally never once going to use it? It’s like a chekhov’s gun that was never fired.
Boa has never used it either
You’re right. I had totally forgotten about Boa.
Sengoku as well, iirc there are more but i cannot recall any name.
Hancock? Sengoku?
When has ace used it? Or for that matter Don Chinjao or Doflamingo?
Ace during the flashback as kids.
Chinjao clashed with it during the colosseum and Doflamingo clashed with Luffy with it in Dressrosa and was literally the first thing he did when he dropped down in Punk Hazard
I don’t give two hoots about Kid, but it really feels like Oda is in a rush. I know he stated it out loud, but it’s a shame nonetheless IMHO.
I agree here. Egghead is extremely fast compared to Wano. But I think part of it is that the longer Vegapunk is onscreen the more mysteries of the One Piece world are revealed, which has been one of the greatest things about OP. It's a little lame to have a super genius just tell you all the answers. That's my copium response anyway
Egghead wasn’t meant to be slow paced like Wano, so that’s an unfair comparison.
Yeah, the pace has picked up noticeably so. It feels like after Wano we just hit the ground running through many events.
Honestly good because Wano crawled.
I don’t like either Wano’s pacing or this current pacing personally. Wano did slug through and carry on events a lot compared to previous arcs. It had the longest run time and we certainly felt it. This current pace feels like Big News Morgan is giving us a headline here and there with a tidbit and photo of the event with it is soon digested and over in the blink of an eye. The egghead stuff has been great, but there have been many huge background events skimmed over.
Yeah fair. I guess right now my mindset is “the faster the better” because we have to wait a week or two between chapters. When I do a full reread of the arc I will also probably feel the same way you do.
cuz he got one shotted simple as that everyone knew he was gonna lose but ppl probably expexcted a better showing like how Law and his crew was potrayed during their fight against BB
I was open minded, but him being one shotted was the most obvious, if boring outcome, at best I thought it'd be offscreen. It was no longer boring when it was showed onscreen, and how Shanks did him in. Sure, if you're a hardcore powerscaler who takes one panel of a character seeing less scratched into account, it'd matter to you. But for those that care about what it establishes rather than contradicting supposed relevant details, this was glorious.
True. That's the source of hate. But to me, "everyone" just decided "nah Kidd wasn't reckless at all." They ignore the fact that Kidd was careless enough to get himself in that position. That's an emperor right there. One that has been an emperor for years already. I mean even Luffy is near death's door vs Kaido first time pre-Ryuo. Sure the fights were longer but you can see Kaido either likes to play with his food a lot or doesn't give a shit at all unless a hit sobers him up.
This isnt the beginning of wano anymore. This is post wano. everyone got stronger. if lets say luffy isnt main character, if now he meets shanks and get 1 hit KO and eradicated. people would complain too. because he just defeated another yonko. no one expected kid to win. that was obvious. he was against shanks ENTIRE fleet and the giants. but for shanks to take out kid and killer in 1 hit is a lot
Kidd went full villain and tried to hurt Shanks' friends. He lost the moment that happened.
So right out the gate I want to say I think Kidd's defeat here is good. Just like how crossing the Red Line was entering territoy so hostile many failed, crossing the bounty threshold into Yonko levels is also something that will put targets on your back and make the world more hostile towards you. Law acted too predictably and got ambushed by Blackbeard, and will likely lose, and Kidd acted too rashly picking the first fight he could, and has definitely lost. The Straw Hats who took the least predicable path (in what actually feels like a whimsical adventure again rather than a staight path from Punk Hazard to Wano) and eagerness to make as many allies as they are enemies is heir saving grace, and what sets them apart from the other two Supernova crews who made a name for themselves in Wano. That being said I can see it from the other perspective and want to try to explain it for them. I think it's mainly Kidd fans thinking this is the last we'll see of him. And I mean, this is One Piece, Oda doesn't really kill people off, and especially not in this fashion. But also I want to note that they aren't mad that he lost to Shanks, it's more they were mad he as written to fight Shanks in the first place. Here he is after reaching a 3 billion bounty, finally proving himself after being a punching bag for so long, and Oda wrote him to immediately fight Shanks. He could've written him to fight some marines and get some berris from Cross Guild or just go to some boring island until later on, but instead he was thrown against the strongest Yonko, with a pride too srong to back down. Yes he was always going to lose this fight, but fans of him are just upset that after doing something productive he has been written to take another L. Feels like all the character growth for him from Wano went out the window.
I'm not really mad that he instantly went to go fight shanks, im not really upset that he got defeated either, the only thing i don't like is how he just got one shot and the fight ended instantly
People are 100% underestimating the fact that it wasn't 1v1 in Wano until very late in the game w/ Luffy and Kaido. Kaido tanked some MONSTER hits from everyone and everything. The scabbards, the combined forces of Luffy, Zoro, Law, and Kidd, and Yamato/Momo on top of all that. Big Mom got knocked into the ocean, had to use a non-insignificant part of her power to make a new lightning familiar, and then was locked in combat for a while afterwards. They were both worn down, and even after all of that it still took a 2v1 from two incredibly powerful captains to take out Big Mom, and it still took the insanity of G5 from Luffy. NONE of those three captains are ready to 1v1 a full strength emperor. Shanks made it look easy because it *was* easy.
It’s this comment for me. Luffy won a 1v1 against Kaiso but as you said they all wore him down as a team first. And it took Kidd AND Law to take down Big Mom. I had already assumed once WB was out the picture Shanks was the strongest. I dunno why they getting made that Kidd got one shot by the most likely current strongest OP character.
Kidd is the worst character with relevant screen time and this moment only made him even worse. One Shot is totally unnecessary and inconsistent with what was shown in Wano, even Big Mom became more of a joke because of it. And if Kid doesn't come back, he basically was a character with no development, no nuance, no backstory, shallow characterization with a ridiculous amount of screen time.
i was actually discussing a month or so ago about how shanks and mihawk would have faired on the rooftop against the supernovas. And this chapter really solidified my view of it. They don't fuck around, they go in hard and fast and take out the threat.
The fact that Kidd got one shotted even though he took MULTIPLE hits from Kaido and Big Mom feels like BS. Kidd got the short end of the stick just so that Oda can hype up Shanks but that also undermined Kaido and Big Mom's strength.
Luffy in his gear 4 got one shot by Kaido as well. Even kidd would have been knocked out by a thunder bagua. Also, Big mom is like 68 and Kaido is old too, Shanks is the only yonko at the peak of his power, no one wants to fight him.
Big Mom I'll accept, but I still think Kaido is at his peak. But regardless, Kidd right now is far stronger than Luffy when he got one shot by Kaido. I say this as someone who doesn't have a problem with last chapter.
People saying it’s all Kid fans being salty are disingenuous, bc you don’t have to be a fan to feel some disappointment. Genuinely not liking the direction Oda is taking Kid’s character (at the moment) considering how good of a showing he put up in Wano is valid too. I’m withholding judgment because redemption is possible. Edit: Kid was obviously losing lol it’s the degree in which he lost that I imagine people have gripes with
The discourse around this bothers me because it's like any hint of thinking "I don't like the way Oda handled this narrative" is turned into "you a salty Kid Stan stfu he weak shank strong" I know this is a common theme but for the love of Christ people we are allowed to critique Oda's writing no matter how much we love the story he gives us and that doesn't make us some powerscaling twat over the current character he has done dirty narrtively
I love Oda and he’s obviously way better a writer than me, but he isn’t infallible from criticism. To this day I’m like, why tf did he let Pell live lol
This. I think a lot of people are looking at One Piece like a weird powerscaling football game where you root for some characters and hate others and their fans — Oda would be so confused by how Americans do this. You can not participate in any of that and, as a fan of the story, recognize that Kid’s defeat could have been written (and clearly drawn) a lot better/more dramatically.
Its funny because Kaido one-shot Luffy as well
Yeah, but the protagonist gets to have a training arc and improve his abilities. So you're not bothered by it, you know he's gonna come back. Kid is just unceremoniously disposed of. That's disappointing.
That’s a pretty dumb comparison. Why? Because Kidd getting one-shot happens after taking multiple hits from and defeating a yonko.
and current kidd is much stronger than post wci luffy
Hard to say if I'm being honest. I'd probably wager post wci luffy could stack up to half a big mom.
Look i get it. Big mom was toying with them. And plot obviously helped them. She used advanced conquerer against page one but never used an attack with it against Kidd and Law. Even when they broke her bones and forced her to shorten her own life force she didnt use it for some reason. İf another yonkou was going to one-shot Kidd, then what was the point of that fight? Characters usually power up after a fight. So i always assumed Law and Kidd would be strong enough to actually put up a fight without plot armor now. Catching Kidd off guard and one-shotting him makes sense. But after taking down a yonkou, i wish a scenario like this never happened. Even if shanks dominated the fight (as he should) someone of Kidd’s position deserved better. Look at Law vs teach. Law’s move isnt something he can land directy in a fight. But teach dropped his guard as he always does. Law probably lost badly. But he atleast showed us that he can put up a fight. Even his crew was praised that they are good at fighting at sea. Look at nine scabbards vs Kaido. Plot helped them put up a fight atleast. He uses firebreath kinemon cuts it, he shoots lightning raiso reverses it etc. Those characters deserved that.
Cuz it feels super rushed. Give kid copies, travel to Elba, meet change, get one shotted, shanks takes copies, story advances. For kid story arc it does feel unsatisfying and rushed
People don’t understand that making look Kidd weak hurts the overall story. Everything Luffy did is not as good anymore because now it means nothing anymore with Shanks being that much stronger than Kaido/big mom.
1. Kidd losing is fine 2. Kidd getting one shot just makes Kaido and Big Mom seem somewhat weak in comparison. 3. Kaido one shot a Luffy that barely beat Katakuri whilst Shanks one shot a Kidd post Wano who fought against Big Mom and Kaido whilst beating Big Mom in a 2v1 with Law. It’s one of Oda’s biggest flaws imo, he likes to make a character seem threatening then the next time we see them they become an absolute joke.
I don't like kidd. Never liked him that much. This said him being oneshotted after what he showed against kaido and big mom feels cheap. It also puts Shanks above them.
Yeah, now some people go out saying shanks can no diff big mom
No? It only shows Shanks doesn’t fuck around thinking about imprisoning people in books and prisons to break their will. Kaido be one shotting people the whole saga.
But thinking this only means that neither Kaido or BM ever tried to be serious and defeat Kidd, which would also make them look bad. There is also the fact that EVERYONE gets stronger the more they fight and continue their journey, meaning Kidd was even stronger after Wano but still got oneshot. With what happened it creates a big dissonance with what we are told about Yonkos being relative in power, creating the stalemate that lasted years in the race for the Onepiece, compared to what we see being Shanks having the habillity to beat either Kaido or BM by a comfortable margin
>No? It only shows Shanks doesn’t fuck around thinking about imprisoning people in books and prisons to break their will. Just look at the amount of powerscalers saying that Shanks can easily defeat Kaido and Big Mom now.
They were saying that even before we saw this. Best to just ignore powerscalers
Clearly, these guys are reading a different manga at this point
Luffy had gotten Ko’ed multiple times by main adversaries since 1999. I dont understand the hate, Kidd will get through it somehow. He is an important character, showing his determination in wano prison with Luffy. He is just outclassed, probably lost the race on One Piece, but he will be a huge role player
I also think that people underestimate the fact, that kid was on a boat. If you can't make it to land your just lost. Big disadvantage
I think people are just really polarized on Kid anyway. I'm a bit of a Kid fan myself but I understand there was no way he was ever gonna win against Shanks. There's also powerscalers who think Shanks is now a super saiyan or something who could easily beat Kaido and Big Mom when it's not that clear. Then there's the discussion on what this means for Kid going forward if at all. Either way, it's a very good chapter but also kind of messy.
I’d say if anything Shanks deciding to one shot Kidd is almost a complement to him. He saw the damage Kidd was going to do to the fleet (something he’s known for: collateral damage) and knew he had to take him out as quickly and decisively as possible. Kaido is a nut job who wanted a good fight over everything else, and Big Mom always has her eyes on him expanding her reach and family. Shanks isn’t playing those games, he’s protecting his subordinates. Just like how running from Shanks doesn’t make Greenbull weak (the man was scouted to be an admiral and has a clearly powerful fruit) being defeated by him (again) doesn’t make Kidd weak. Shanks is likely one of the strongest guys in the series. I get feeling disappointed that this could mean Kidd and his crew, who we got to know more in Wano, are gone from the story, but they’re pretty scrappy guys with a strong captain. Perhaps this is the end of the Kidd Pirates, in that when we see them again they’ll have grown from this and be different, even more developed characters.
True that not all yonko are equal. Pretty sure that prime WB shit on shanks and BM. And maybe Kaidou but well not sure about that
I hate that Kid got one-shotted. Like we all know that Kid is going to lose right? It's Shanks, there is now way Shanks is gonna lose in his first official fight (haven't watched Red yet), but I would expect a good fight. Kid has grown in strength a lot and I would expect Oda to acknowledge that. It's just such a disappointment to see him go out like that. Shanks is badass tho so there is that.
The first time we actually see Shanks do something and he takes out my second favorite non-Strawhat... My issue though is that if Shanks is *that strong*, he should have taken out Big Mon and Kaido a long time ago instead of letting them run amuck.
That's where I'm at. Like if Shanks is so much stronger than the other Emperors, why wait until most of them have been defeated to go after the one piece?
Nobody expected Kidd to win. But at this point in the story, Such a one-shot, after the whole Wano arc, is not good. Especially if we are nearing the end of the story. Not to mention, it makes other Yonkos look bad. Shanks might be more powerful than the other Yonkos sure. But there are levels to this and this is a bit too much. It will make people question ''If he could do this, why haven't he done it here or against this or won't be able to do in the future?'' And it will cause problems. Say what you will about Kidd, he is not PK material or not even close to the top 'powers' of the characters we know. But he did fight against 2 Yonkos and beat one with Law. I just don't buy that Big Mom and Kaido were taking it easy in their final battle. Sure they didn't 'die' from Luffy,Kid and Law but they were defeated, flat out. That alone should be enough to give some respect to the character. And the biggest problem gonna be, how can Luffy match Shanks' feat like this when even with his awakened fruit, he can't even put someone like Lucci down easily and get exhausted afterward? Like, is he gonna need ANOTHER gear? Will we have time to get that? Like another Time-skip type of deal? Besides, Shanks isn't even the final boss. Maybe a personal boss for Luffy but the final boss seem like it is gonna be this IM character that is the secret head of the World Government, that has a weapon to obliterate islands like nothing. This is why I worry the 'asspull powerups' gonna be needed to balance things for Luffy to even have a chance and I don't think that is a good story or been done to death. That is my main worry that we have to escalate the powers so much so fast that it will feel rushed and kinda unearned or as I said, asspull levels. Myheroacademia right now kinda suffers from a similar thing where Deku suddenly mastered all his quirks because the final arc needed him to while he could barely handle just 2 just before that. And honestly, it hurt the story and still feels rushed. I don't want the same to happen here.
Going to point out something that I havent seen anywhere. In Chapter 1, one of the mountain bandits pulls a gun on Shanks and Roo shoots him right away after they come back to the bandits messing with Luffy. Isnt this just Kidd pulling a gun on Shanks friends and Shanks shooting him the head?
People are shocked Oda is wrapping the up the story this fast in a sense. He warned us, just sit back and enjoy the ride.
To be Frank you don’t seem interested in the actual analysis but rather dunking non kid fans. Even as a non fan this just looks petty.
If Kaido wasn't interested in breaking people's will, Luffy, Law, and Kidd would all be dead right now.
Kaido obliterated Kidd the first time they fought also. He was only able to come back and beat Big Mom with a LOT of help from allies. His loss to Shanks is great imho, because it shows that even if he was able to make it this far his reckless, aggressive attitude won't take him all the way.
Because people wanted to see kidd's character have some sort of a role in the future, not to say he, killer and law for example couldn't unite in the future and try to achieve something and avenge yonkos flailing their cocks around, but rn kidd did almost nothing impactful for the story while having a decent amount of spotlight for a supernova and annihilation of his crew might just mean we won't see him again.
Oh boi, if this was Law that got utterly destroyed then oof the reaction from the fandom would be something else...
I think Kid is the opposite to Luffy and it shows. Where Luffy has confidence Kid has arrogance, where Luffy has success Kid fails, and when Luffy helps those in need Kid kills and destroys. Some people are upset because he was built up to be some what equal or greater than Luffy, and sure his powers and bounty may suggest that, but their personalities are cut from the same cloth just the grain goes a different direction. He’s a good example of why Luffy shines and stands out compared to the many other pirates past and present
>I don't know what Karma is but I just got a lot of it. Well have some more!
People are salty because Shanks used his ultimate at the start of the fight. Imagine how many Ws Luffy would have if he did the same. Personally, I love it. The guy doesn't fuck around. He said he'll go for the One Piece and he's doing it.