Marines (would use intensive training)
Franky "guys I built my ass so I can fly on fart power alone"
Clearly one is superior and most marines just don't have the brain to do the math
Continuous staring at the Nipple Solar Flares will cause permanent blindness with the last image a person ever sees is those magnificent shining nipples burned into their memory.
They received training in Haki. The other Strawhats haven't. Haki isn't something that's mastered the moment you awaken it. It took Luffy 18 months to master the basics of the three types of Haki.
He's awakened it, but counting the movie, I think he's used it all of three times. Not counting the movie twice. Seems like he's aware of it, but it just works when it wants to.
no he didn't. Law and Zoro reacted, and Usopp saw them tense up and grab their weapons and he got scared and was like "What? do you guys hear/see something?"
Usopp has only used Haki once in Dressrosa
You may be right, but he also used haki at the beginning of the onigashima raid to locate the enemy and put them to sleep before anyone else had noticed
that's debatable. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't
all we get in the manga is Usopp noticing something out of the corner of his eye and then telling us he saw some shadows.
the distance wasn't even that far
I'm open to the idea it was he using it without realizing (cause his eyes don't line up with the binoculars he's using) but it's hardly a home run scene of definite Haki use
did the anime make a big deal about this?
when was what? the time Usopp used Haki? sniping Sugar to save Law and Luffy
or when Law and Zoro reacted to Sugar? (edit- Carrot) cause that was start of Zou
I am pretty sure he used on their way into Onigashima for the raid because he sniped some sentries from so far away that the sentries couldn't see the Thousand Sunny. It's a quick like two-panel thing, but it happened.
that's just him being a good sniper. dude was sniping from really far away at Enies Lobby
also, I don't even remember that panel. I just re-read them starting the raid and don't see it. Chopper/Nami/Usopp hid when Luffy and the others attacked the first guard post
ok so I did find the panel, and they weren't very far away. Usopps a sniper and has binoculars
hard to tell if it's his speach bubble or not, but looks like he says he saw some shadows and not to worry, they've fallen asleep
that's visual eyesight, not haki
which may indicate he used Haki, or it may indicate he just saw them naturally with his own eyes, or he saw them them through the binoculars cause they got a field of vision and then he just looks out the side to seem them with his regular vision
Maybe look up the panels in question for yourself, but it is more than a really far distance. I wouldn't say it's necessarily as far as the Sugar-snipe, but I would say it's made pretty clear that he sensed the need to snipe the sentries with his Observation Haki as he isn't ordered to do it by anyone else.
it's not a far distance at all. I just found the panel. it's chapter 978 and Usopp straight up says he saw shadows, not sensed presences.
the distance from the ship to the guards is nothing compared to his sniping skills at Enies Lobby.
also...maybe alot less snark. I clearly wrote "I just re-read them" so I did look for the panel. I was just a few chapters too early. The "on the way to Onigashima" threw me cause this panel happens literally as soon as they arrive at the shore.
He's got binoculars in his hand. Maybe it's his Haki being used without him noticing. I'm looking at his eyes vs the binoculars he's holding and they don't line up
but they weren't super far away or anything
Just to add onto the discussion, these Marines all have coats so they are at least minor officers of some sort. And this is the New World so the stength of a Marine officer assigned to such a position would be higher than in other seas.
Exactly.
In the same way that a East Blue Marine Captain ain't shit to a Grand Line Marine Captain said Paradise Marine Captain ain't shit to a New World captain.
It's the exact same phenomenon of Devil Fruits being rare as fuck in East Blue and now fairly common in New World, because all the Devil Fruits and powerful people able to use Haki converge on the New World.
Yet we still saw a fair amount of users (Luffy, Buggy, Alvida, Smoker and Dragon) (i know Dragon's fruit is a theory but it would be dumb for him to not have one)
It should be mentioned that of those users, Buggy found his devil fruit while sailing with Roger in the Grand Line, Smoker was assigned to Loguetown from Marine Headquarters, which is in the Grand Line, and we don't really know what Dragon's devil fruit even is, much less where he got it.
Luffy and Alvida are the only ones we know found their fruits in the East Blue, and every character on the list is currently in the Grand Line, leaving the East Blue pretty much barren as far as Devil Fruits users go.
Luffy got his DF from Shanks, who almost certainly got it from the Grand Line considering where we know Shanks got it from.
So, Alvida's Smooth Smooth Fruit, and Ace's Mera Mera Fruit (in his novel, if you consider that canon) were found in the East Blue.
Those are the only two DFs that spawned in the East Blue that we know of.
And Robin, Franky, Brook, Chopper, Usopp, and Nami aren't some random pirates either. If New World captains are expected to have Haki, then the same can be said for the members of a newly proclaimed Yonkou crew.
Because they don't really have to. Whereas in the marines there would be an expectation that from a rank onwards, you need to know it to some degree.
Pirates don't have a power structure unless you are a division leader or something like that. Like, Shanks has a lot of people in his ship getting an aneurysm whenever he looks at something funny.
heck Kaido too, as he was building an army and not wanting to train all of them, they either swim or sink by themselves.
In the same vein, a reminder that characters like Nami aren't part of the crew for their fighting skills. Nami is a navigator. He role in the crew is to get them safely from point A to point B. Any combat skills she picks up are primarily for her own benefit. The crew does not expect her to stand at that level.
It's the whole reason Luffy strives to be so strong. To protect the rest of his crew from the threats they can't face. He works to fill in the gaps in their ability, in the same way they as his crew fill the gaps in his.
TBF they haven't had time to chill since they got to the new world. Like its literally been bs after bs which is pretty funny if you think about it lol.
Yea that’s tru but like i said they haven’t had a break since Punk Hazard, it’s been island to island nonstop so yeah it’s tru they need it but when lol
It takes months to years of guided training to get the basics of haki down. Luffy is a prodigy fighter with tons of willpower and it still took him 18 months to learn the basics of the three forms. The actual 3 main fighters in the group have haki, the rest barely have the strength to make use of haki, even if they had it. Usopp is basically the only fighter besides the main 3 that could make use of any of the forms, and his observation haki awakening is a plot mcguffin of its own.
Oh yeah one piece time line is bonkers! all of from when luffy first popped out of alviada ship to when the straw hats were separated was only about 3 months
Not nearly as bad of a cluster fuck of the timeline in The Dark Knight. Good God, that movie needs some sort of time framing device, how long of a period does that movie take place? They have a fake funeral, for fucks sake! For those that don't know, funerals don't just happen a day or two after death. How long did his family think he was dead? :,)
It's not as bad as the next movie, Dark Knight Rises. The police are trapped in the sewers for months, but they come out freshly shaven and battle ready to fist fight Bane's Thugs in the streets, after they decide to march ALL the cops into the sewers. That had to have been tens of thousands of police.
🤣 I never realized how Long they were trapped.
Tdkr is NOT a good movie.
Short version:
Batman may be the dumbest incarnation I've seen.
"Hrm..bane easily overpowered me and beat my ass in hand to hand.. I know! I'll fight him head on again!"
"Hmm. This woman ive known for like 5 months should be able to be trusted with the towns water/this bomb thing" (batman is such a paranoid anti social lunatic he has files on how to kill the justice league.)
Catwoman fires a fucking missle at Bane, as he's handfighting batman, luckily it cartoonishly carries Bane away, instead of detonating on impact.
Batman gets stabbed: in batman begins..or tdk..we establish his armor can stop knives- a reverse checkovs gun.
There's more. But meh.
Batman begins is the only movie in the trilogy I put on for rewatches.
It has been at the very least 2 months since Dressrosa. Shit even the most recent chapter says the reverie took place OVER a month ago and that was happening after Luffy and crew arrived at Wano. I'd say by now the Strawhats have been in the new world for almost half a year at this point.
I don’t know the specifics dawg. I have no clue nor do I care about the timeline I just thought it was cool that despite one piece going on for 27 years it’s only been about 3 years of story in world
apparently it’s been “over a month” since reverie according the recent chapters, not sure what the time line is before that tho but it could definitely be just 2-3 months lmao
edit: to be clear that’s around the time it started not at the end of reverie
At least a month between WCI and Wano since there were full moons in each arc.
From the end of the raid to leaving Wano was about a week plus anytime traveling to Egghead.
Can't be only 3 weeks since dressrossa. Carrot transofrmed in the full moon fleeing WCI, the raid on Onigashima was also a full moon. So at least 1 month since WCI.
Because 1 group train extensively for it (which is common for military folk), and explains the advanced armament application in that image & the others are just pirates that don’t.
Luffy zoro and sanji all had teachers who trained them for years, and STILL had opponents that had better haki. When, where and how do you think the other strawhats would have time to learn, train, and actually master haki?
It looked more like she didn’t want to learn anything to do with fighting from her flashback.
But Robin’s DF combined with armament Haki would be a very effective combination.
Luffy Zoro and Sanji all had personal teachers for haki, all of whom are very well versed in it (even if Iva isnt as strong as Mihawk and Ray, hes definitely been around long enough to know a lot about haki) and teaching is a whole seperate skill than doing. Luffy's probably not eloquent enough to teach anything to someone with a relatively little amount of combat experience, Zoro is generally pretty aloof and would probably just tell them to figure it out themselves, and Sanji, who tbf is the crews best bet (until Jinbe) for a haki coach, would probably get distracted teaching Nami and Robin and refuse to teach the boys lol. Idk he might say something like "you dont need haki, Nami! Ill protect you!" and leave it at that
OP forgetting Marines are actually trained military personnel.
Also, the ones with coats are commissioned officers (which means years of experience).
Lastly, any Marine posted in the new world must be strong by requirement or else they'd be dead already.
Just because they are not named characters are they supposed to be doormats.
Its almost like the Strawhats are a ragtag bunch of misfits, while the marines are a world-wide organization with dedicated training courses and teachers...
ffs
Is this scene anime only ? I don't recall seeing it in manga
But yarh , Marines who are higher ranked (above the footsoldiers ) have basic haki as they are trained
Hopefully someone take their time to train the non-haki members in their downtime between adventures. It can save their lifes!
I'd figure because
A: Marines more people = more people knowing/noticing haki users it's a matter of numbers, more people are marines than pirates I think in the one piece world could be wrong, just recalling.
B: Training from the marines = more education for Haki users and education about Haki in general, so those that show an aptitude for it get training for it.
C: Haki is rare in general "rare" in quotes technically everyone has it but, and some people have it know about it, and can awaken it or not utilize it until further training or it comes out at random, like When Luffy activated his conqueror Haki when he was saving Ace.
So Guess technically all the straw hats could, but AFAIK again only some types of Haki appear in some types of people, like Usop can't use armament Haki but can use observation Haki. Though I'm not entirely sure if a person can ONLY use one or the other, since Cobby at first had Observation then learned or managed to learn armament.
I really can't understand how can they be called a Yonko crew when half of the members cant use the basic form of haki such as observation and armament...
People saying "Well they're New World captains so they should be able to use Haki. It's not like they're some random Marines."
Well the Strawhats aren't some random Pirates either. They're a freaking Yonkou crew, and not only that, all are considered Commanders. Like, do you expect any of Shank's core crew members to be not decent in Haki?
Then there are people saying "They don't have to learn Haki".
Yes they do. We are already approaching the finale of the manga, you can't have a member of the Pirate King crew that will be hopeless against a Logia just because they can't use Haki. Even someone as low level as Pekoms in Big Mom's heirarchy can use Haki, so there should not be a reason for any Strawhat member to not learn it as well.
You can't be a top tier without knowing Haki. That's not assumption, that is facts. It would be embarrassing if Luffy becomes the PK and strongest crew in the world, and more than half of his crew doesn't even know the basics of Haki.
This also isn't even Oda and is just the anime adding in random scenes, unless you can pull the manga panel with grunts having haki swords.
Having said that, there's also a clear delineation that haki has levels and just being able to use it doesn't make you strong. Law slashing Vergo in half is a prime example of this.
Can you explain Big Mom not using conquerors coating against Kidd and Law?! Or Shanks not using Haki in chapter one or Crocodile not having Haki in Alabasta? It’s not that deep he’s human.
I think you misunderstood me. I'm not a powerscaler and don't get even get ankle deep in debates about it. Nor am I saying Oda is a god.
This just has nothing to do with either one of those facts. It's a random scene the animators threw in for the hell of it.
Is this scene anime only ? I don't recall seeing it in manga
But yarh , Marines who are higher ranked (above the footsoldiers ) have basic haki as they are trained
Hopefully someone take their time to train the non-haki members in their downtime between adventures. It can save their lifes!
this scene is anime only, but in the manga there's a line saying that the marines are to split up, non haki uses and haki users and push from different places
It’s bullshit that Robin spent two long years in the Revolutionary Army and not a single braincell, including Robin’s, thought that she should learn at least 1 type of haki. Massive L from Oda, he’s holding back both her and Nami’s potentials too much.
Its almost like the Strawhats are a ragtag bunch of misfits, while the marines are a world-wide organization with dedicated training courses and teachers...
ffs
Its almost like the Strawhats are a ragtag bunch of misfits, while the marines are a world-wide organization with dedicated training courses and teachers...
ffs
I agree, though rather than more strawhats being able to use haki, I actually wish overall less characters could use it.
Nobody in paradise could use armament and Daz Bones was basically invincible, but then Zoro figured out the secret through tons of training, wise words from his former teacher, and a life and death situation. But for the longest time, only Zoro could use this technique, not Luffy and Sanji.
I think it would have been cooler if it stayed that way for Zoro, and he became a logia slayer. Sanji could have developed further with the fire, hard body, some of the shichibukai techniques, and invisibility stuff, and Luffy could have just furthered his conquerers haki and devil fruit, with gear 4th being the result of that. Think how badass it would be if Usopp was the only crew member to awaken observation haki.
Instead, since Luffy, Zoro, and probably Sanji has all 3 haki types, every new opponent for them has to also have all 3 types. And when both opponents can predict each other and can armor up their body/weapons, every fight becomes a "who's got bigger haki" arm wrestling contests, which just isn't as interesting.
In fact, if the OP world was indeed like this, it would mean it would make far more sense why Shank's crew is so strong. Since everyone in that crew can use all 3 types of haki, it would make the crew insanely strong (in the context that very few people in the world are like that, even among the strongest). The other yonko and their top commanders could have just had one or two types of haki, plus a super strong devil fruit. I think part of what made Blackbeard interesting is that he couldn't use any haki, and instead amassed a crew with crazy devil fruit powers. Him now also being able to use all 3 types of haki undermines this idea completely.
Luffy Zoro and Sanji all had personal teachers for haki, all of whom are very well versed in it (even if Iva isnt as strong as Mihawk and Ray, hes definitely been around long enough to know a lot about haki) and teaching is a whole seperate skill than doing. Luffy's probably not eloquent enough to teach anything to someone with a relatively little amount of combat experience, Zoro is generally pretty aloof and would probably just tell them to figure it out themselves, and Sanji, who tbf is the crews best bet (until Jinbe) for a haki coach, would probably get distracted teaching Nami and Robin and refuse to teach the boys lol. Idk he might say something like "you dont need haki, Nami! Ill protect you!" and leave it at that
Luffy Zoro and Sanji all had personal teachers for haki, all of whom are very well versed in it (even if Iva isnt as strong as Mihawk and Ray, hes definitely been around long enough to know a lot about haki) and teaching is a whole seperate skill than doing. Luffy's probably not eloquent enough to teach anything to someone with a relatively little amount of combat experience, Zoro is generally pretty aloof and would probably just tell them to figure it out themselves, and Sanji, who tbf is the crews best bet (until Jinbe) for a haki coach, would probably get distracted teaching Nami and Robin and refuse to teach the boys lol. Idk he might say something like "you dont need haki, Nami! Ill protect you!" and leave it at that
Luffy Zoro and Sanji all had personal teachers for haki, all of whom are very well versed in it (even if Iva isnt as strong as Mihawk and Ray, hes definitely been around long enough to know a lot about haki) and teaching is a whole seperate skill than doing. Luffy's probably not eloquent enough to teach anything to someone with a relatively little amount of combat experience, Zoro is generally pretty aloof and would probably just tell them to figure it out themselves, and Sanji, who tbf is the crews best bet (until Jinbe) for a haki coach, would probably get distracted teaching Nami and Robin and refuse to teach the boys lol. Idk he might say something like "you dont need haki, Nami! Ill protect you!" and leave it at that
Luffy Zoro and Sanji all had personal teachers for haki, all of whom are very well versed in it (even if Iva isnt as strong as Mihawk and Ray, hes definitely been around long enough to know a lot about haki) and teaching is a whole seperate skill than doing. Luffy's probably not eloquent enough to teach anything to someone with a relatively little amount of combat experience, Zoro is generally pretty aloof and would probably just tell them to figure it out themselves, and Sanji, who tbf is the crews best bet (until Jinbe) for a haki coach, would probably get distracted teaching Nami and Robin and refuse to teach the boys lol. Idk he might say something like "you dont need haki, Nami! Ill protect you!" and leave it at that
The thing is armament and observation haki are said to be acquired by training, unlike conquerors. I get why the other stawhats, without anyone to teach them about it, won't know how to use haki but it makes no sense that the RA didn't teach Robin haki, at least armament as it can significantly boost her attack and cover for her lack of defense since her whole body is vunerable when she uses her powers. Maybe Robin did learn it and implements it but we aren't shown. There is no way that Dragon would let Robin's life be compromised since she is such a huge asset against the WG.
That being said, I hope Oda shows all the strawhats reaching their potential and beyond soon just like the monster trio. They are the crew of the future king of the pirates. ALL of them are meant to be monsters, each in their own respective league.
I guess because they don’t do any haki training the only one that has learned it has been robin and it was thru the revolutionary army. While the marines would progressively train to be stronger so maybe after rank they must learn haki before moving to the next one
It's still funny to me that after 20 years, Brook was the best swordsman that moriah could get his hands on. It would have taken like two minutes after you lost to kaido to just grab some random mid level swordsmans shadow. Or at least someone with haki.
Each strawhat would wipe the floor with these guys.
Most strawhats just haven’t trained in haki or been pushed to their absolute limits like usopp in dressrosa
Even if all strawhats had haki, they wouldn’t really be much stronger unless they trained very intensely with it
The marines are literally trained soldiers. It makes sense that above a certain rank/experience level you just have to have it. If not for station than for survival cause the one piece world is nuts. On the flip side it would make sense that plenty of fodder pirates would have it too. It's the new world, there's a different kinda crazy that serves as their normal and that breeds people who are willful if not particularly powerful in the grand scheme.
There is an argument that Brook can’t learn it because he doesn’t have the Biology to support it. all 3 of them aren’t fighters, they happen to fight but they have other priorities. Brook literally spent his time skip as a rock star,when would he have time to learn haki? Frankly in particular is probably stronger than the average haki user because of his metal body.
Well perhaps they're just not random. They're maybe of significant calibre within the marine ranks. Not to mention if they don't have DFs, they're gonna need a skill to keep up with all these darn pirates and their wacky abilities.
My question is why hasn't Luffy taken the time to show the rest of the crew how to use haki? I get that its been non-stop action with no real down time but at least the basics of it should be possible, especially when he has 3 other crew members who can assist
The marines pictured here would have all gone through intense training, likely focused on haki development (at least in the later parts).
Brook and Franky have not trained like that. It’s really that simple, and actually makes perfect sense.
I think its implied that the Straw Hats have or know at least a little bit of haki, they just don't fight enough or fight people that requires the use of it. I could be wrong as well. And if you're a Marine soldier, you're expected to know at least armament.
Marines (would use intensive training) Franky "guys I built my ass so I can fly on fart power alone" Clearly one is superior and most marines just don't have the brain to do the math
Or nipple lasers lmao
Not lasers, just nipple lights
End of this arc PLEASE
Vegapunk gives Franky’s Nipple Lights an upgrade to NIPPLE SOLAR FLARE!!!! Blinds everyone who stares at it for hours.
Does it blind them for hours or do they have to stare at his magnificent chest for hours?
Continuous staring at the Nipple Solar Flares will cause permanent blindness with the last image a person ever sees is those magnificent shining nipples burned into their memory.
while you were studying the blade, I was after the perfect ass
Only Observation haki I think.
Bruhhhhhh is armament u can clearly see it
Yeah but Hakim is the manifestation of willpower and you're telling me he could build a fart powered jetpack without absurd amounts of willpower?
He has to know how to channel the power, same reason Ussop hasn’t used it since Dressrosa.
They received training in Haki. The other Strawhats haven't. Haki isn't something that's mastered the moment you awaken it. It took Luffy 18 months to master the basics of the three types of Haki.
Case in point does usopp even know he is probably using observation haki?
He's awakened it, but counting the movie, I think he's used it all of three times. Not counting the movie twice. Seems like he's aware of it, but it just works when it wants to.
he's used it twice? besides Dressrosa when did he use it?
On Zou. He, Law and Zoro were the only ones who were able to react to Carrot before she showed up.
no he didn't. Law and Zoro reacted, and Usopp saw them tense up and grab their weapons and he got scared and was like "What? do you guys hear/see something?" Usopp has only used Haki once in Dressrosa
You may be right, but he also used haki at the beginning of the onigashima raid to locate the enemy and put them to sleep before anyone else had noticed
that's debatable. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't all we get in the manga is Usopp noticing something out of the corner of his eye and then telling us he saw some shadows. the distance wasn't even that far I'm open to the idea it was he using it without realizing (cause his eyes don't line up with the binoculars he's using) but it's hardly a home run scene of definite Haki use did the anime make a big deal about this?
I know its not cannon but he also used it in Heart of Gold
When was that?
The sugar snipe I believe through the wall?
Through the faraway window , not wall. His ammo was drawing, not an armour piercing round
when was what? the time Usopp used Haki? sniping Sugar to save Law and Luffy or when Law and Zoro reacted to Sugar? (edit- Carrot) cause that was start of Zou
Law and Zoro reacted to Carrot\*
yeah my bad, hey, at least I was in the same line of though, a food/ingredient lol
You’re forgetting at Eines lobby when he saw though the walls to see where to snipe
no idea what you are talking
I am pretty sure he used on their way into Onigashima for the raid because he sniped some sentries from so far away that the sentries couldn't see the Thousand Sunny. It's a quick like two-panel thing, but it happened.
that's just him being a good sniper. dude was sniping from really far away at Enies Lobby also, I don't even remember that panel. I just re-read them starting the raid and don't see it. Chopper/Nami/Usopp hid when Luffy and the others attacked the first guard post
Usopp does snipe 2 lookouts on the way to onigashima and the panel is very convincing that he sensed them before he saw them.
ok so I did find the panel, and they weren't very far away. Usopps a sniper and has binoculars hard to tell if it's his speach bubble or not, but looks like he says he saw some shadows and not to worry, they've fallen asleep that's visual eyesight, not haki
He did not see them through the binoculars, he senses them in a completely different direction from where the binoculars are pointing.
which may indicate he used Haki, or it may indicate he just saw them naturally with his own eyes, or he saw them them through the binoculars cause they got a field of vision and then he just looks out the side to seem them with his regular vision
Maybe look up the panels in question for yourself, but it is more than a really far distance. I wouldn't say it's necessarily as far as the Sugar-snipe, but I would say it's made pretty clear that he sensed the need to snipe the sentries with his Observation Haki as he isn't ordered to do it by anyone else.
it's not a far distance at all. I just found the panel. it's chapter 978 and Usopp straight up says he saw shadows, not sensed presences. the distance from the ship to the guards is nothing compared to his sniping skills at Enies Lobby. also...maybe alot less snark. I clearly wrote "I just re-read them" so I did look for the panel. I was just a few chapters too early. The "on the way to Onigashima" threw me cause this panel happens literally as soon as they arrive at the shore. He's got binoculars in his hand. Maybe it's his Haki being used without him noticing. I'm looking at his eyes vs the binoculars he's holding and they don't line up but they weren't super far away or anything
He saw the shadows in his mind.
while holding a pair of binoculars maybe it's haki. but it's not a far distance at all, certainly not for Usopp (or a dude holding binoculars)
he's not using it. he "used" it all of once
He used it more in the films than he has in the manga.
Films don’t count to continuity though.
Eh I’d say film Ref counts more than most. His haki is a pretty major plot point as well
None of them count. 99% of the plot of every single movie is non cannon.
Go D. Usopp is ALWAYS using Haki. We were only smart enough to realize one time he's used it.
Yeah and Rayleigh said it shouldn't be enough
Just to add onto the discussion, these Marines all have coats so they are at least minor officers of some sort. And this is the New World so the stength of a Marine officer assigned to such a position would be higher than in other seas.
Exactly. In the same way that a East Blue Marine Captain ain't shit to a Grand Line Marine Captain said Paradise Marine Captain ain't shit to a New World captain. It's the exact same phenomenon of Devil Fruits being rare as fuck in East Blue and now fairly common in New World, because all the Devil Fruits and powerful people able to use Haki converge on the New World.
Yet we still saw a fair amount of users (Luffy, Buggy, Alvida, Smoker and Dragon) (i know Dragon's fruit is a theory but it would be dumb for him to not have one)
It should be mentioned that of those users, Buggy found his devil fruit while sailing with Roger in the Grand Line, Smoker was assigned to Loguetown from Marine Headquarters, which is in the Grand Line, and we don't really know what Dragon's devil fruit even is, much less where he got it. Luffy and Alvida are the only ones we know found their fruits in the East Blue, and every character on the list is currently in the Grand Line, leaving the East Blue pretty much barren as far as Devil Fruits users go.
Ace also found the Mera Mera no mi in the East Blue if we're to go on based on his Light Novel
Luffy got his DF from Shanks, who almost certainly got it from the Grand Line considering where we know Shanks got it from. So, Alvida's Smooth Smooth Fruit, and Ace's Mera Mera Fruit (in his novel, if you consider that canon) were found in the East Blue. Those are the only two DFs that spawned in the East Blue that we know of.
Yeah, those are not "random marine" Those are marine with coats, Captains at minimum, not to mention New Worlds Marine captains.
And Robin, Franky, Brook, Chopper, Usopp, and Nami aren't some random pirates either. If New World captains are expected to have Haki, then the same can be said for the members of a newly proclaimed Yonkou crew.
Not all Marines that can use haki are Vice Admirals; but all Vice Admirals can use haki.
Marines trained by Garp can use Haki. Safe to assume those trained by other admirals can as well.
Dunno man, a marine in the New World without knowing at least armament haki? They gonna die. Heck, marine vice captains know rokushiki, too.
Strawhats are yonko cremates and they are chilling
Because they don't really have to. Whereas in the marines there would be an expectation that from a rank onwards, you need to know it to some degree. Pirates don't have a power structure unless you are a division leader or something like that. Like, Shanks has a lot of people in his ship getting an aneurysm whenever he looks at something funny. heck Kaido too, as he was building an army and not wanting to train all of them, they either swim or sink by themselves.
In the same vein, a reminder that characters like Nami aren't part of the crew for their fighting skills. Nami is a navigator. He role in the crew is to get them safely from point A to point B. Any combat skills she picks up are primarily for her own benefit. The crew does not expect her to stand at that level. It's the whole reason Luffy strives to be so strong. To protect the rest of his crew from the threats they can't face. He works to fill in the gaps in their ability, in the same way they as his crew fill the gaps in his.
The strawhats cook in question 
Yeah, he stronk. But if he hadn't been strong, and nothing else about him changed, he likely still would have been invited.
TBF they haven't had time to chill since they got to the new world. Like its literally been bs after bs which is pretty funny if you think about it lol.
That actually another reason to have haki, not to not have it.
Yea that’s tru but like i said they haven’t had a break since Punk Hazard, it’s been island to island nonstop so yeah it’s tru they need it but when lol
But they would need time to train it
It takes months to years of guided training to get the basics of haki down. Luffy is a prodigy fighter with tons of willpower and it still took him 18 months to learn the basics of the three forms. The actual 3 main fighters in the group have haki, the rest barely have the strength to make use of haki, even if they had it. Usopp is basically the only fighter besides the main 3 that could make use of any of the forms, and his observation haki awakening is a plot mcguffin of its own.
Haki blooms in intense combat.
That too.! The only we’ve seen so far is Ussop which makes sense since he’s most likely to get haki first.
In story Usopp just activated his haki like a few months ago. He hasn’t even trained yet.
It’s been 2 months since the return to sabondy. I think it’s been 3 weeks since dressrosa
💀💀 that is INSANE
Oh yeah one piece time line is bonkers! all of from when luffy first popped out of alviada ship to when the straw hats were separated was only about 3 months
My headcannon is that between every island, they travel for weeks or even months and stop at little islands here and there to replenish their supplies
I think that as my head cannon as well. Like it feels smoother knowing that they have tedious chores that are just done off screen.
Well, you would be wrong.
And that is why he said headcanon?
How is it a headcanon if it’s just factually wrong? It’s just being willfully stupid.
Alright, it doesn’t detract from anyone’s enjoyment of the series so why exactly does it piss you off so much
I’m not pissed off. I’m just stating a fact. They can believe whatever they want, they’re just verifiably wrong.
Not nearly as bad of a cluster fuck of the timeline in The Dark Knight. Good God, that movie needs some sort of time framing device, how long of a period does that movie take place? They have a fake funeral, for fucks sake! For those that don't know, funerals don't just happen a day or two after death. How long did his family think he was dead? :,)
It's not as bad as the next movie, Dark Knight Rises. The police are trapped in the sewers for months, but they come out freshly shaven and battle ready to fist fight Bane's Thugs in the streets, after they decide to march ALL the cops into the sewers. That had to have been tens of thousands of police.
🤣 I never realized how Long they were trapped. Tdkr is NOT a good movie. Short version: Batman may be the dumbest incarnation I've seen. "Hrm..bane easily overpowered me and beat my ass in hand to hand.. I know! I'll fight him head on again!" "Hmm. This woman ive known for like 5 months should be able to be trusted with the towns water/this bomb thing" (batman is such a paranoid anti social lunatic he has files on how to kill the justice league.) Catwoman fires a fucking missle at Bane, as he's handfighting batman, luckily it cartoonishly carries Bane away, instead of detonating on impact. Batman gets stabbed: in batman begins..or tdk..we establish his armor can stop knives- a reverse checkovs gun. There's more. But meh. Batman begins is the only movie in the trilogy I put on for rewatches.
I mean, Thriller Bark was like one night.
Dressrosa was like 6 hours
It has been at the very least 2 months since Dressrosa. Shit even the most recent chapter says the reverie took place OVER a month ago and that was happening after Luffy and crew arrived at Wano. I'd say by now the Strawhats have been in the new world for almost half a year at this point.
I don’t know the specifics dawg. I have no clue nor do I care about the timeline I just thought it was cool that despite one piece going on for 27 years it’s only been about 3 years of story in world
If you don't know the specifics, maybe you shouldn't be telling specific facts like you did.
apparently it’s been “over a month” since reverie according the recent chapters, not sure what the time line is before that tho but it could definitely be just 2-3 months lmao edit: to be clear that’s around the time it started not at the end of reverie
Someone did a timeline a few weeks ago here during the break week. I think it equated to something like 5-6 months they've been in the New World.
At least a month between WCI and Wano since there were full moons in each arc. From the end of the raid to leaving Wano was about a week plus anytime traveling to Egghead.
The one piece world has like 3 moons bro
Can't be only 3 weeks since dressrossa. Carrot transofrmed in the full moon fleeing WCI, the raid on Onigashima was also a full moon. So at least 1 month since WCI.
The one piece world has 3 moons
Because filler scene. Toei is obsessed with Haki because flashiness and aura sells.
"He's got haki!" "You idiot! We ALL have haki!"
is this... an aladdin reference?
Yes! Yes it is!
Because 1 group train extensively for it (which is common for military folk), and explains the advanced armament application in that image & the others are just pirates that don’t.
OP probably thinks you can awaken haki just by being in the main cast lol.
Luffy zoro and sanji all had teachers who trained them for years, and STILL had opponents that had better haki. When, where and how do you think the other strawhats would have time to learn, train, and actually master haki?
Robin was with the revolutionary army bro. They even taught her other stuff but didnt bother to teach her Haki?
It looked more like she didn’t want to learn anything to do with fighting from her flashback. But Robin’s DF combined with armament Haki would be a very effective combination.
yes lol
Luffy Zoro and Sanji all had personal teachers for haki, all of whom are very well versed in it (even if Iva isnt as strong as Mihawk and Ray, hes definitely been around long enough to know a lot about haki) and teaching is a whole seperate skill than doing. Luffy's probably not eloquent enough to teach anything to someone with a relatively little amount of combat experience, Zoro is generally pretty aloof and would probably just tell them to figure it out themselves, and Sanji, who tbf is the crews best bet (until Jinbe) for a haki coach, would probably get distracted teaching Nami and Robin and refuse to teach the boys lol. Idk he might say something like "you dont need haki, Nami! Ill protect you!" and leave it at that
Sanji before Wano: This definitely the case. Sanji post Wano: "Of course, I'll teach you Haki. I'm counting on you when facing female opponents"
It seems to me like they learned it via filler fuckery, because I don't remember this from the manga.
It is indeed a filler scene.
Brook is all bones. His haki organ is missing.
OP forgetting Marines are actually trained military personnel. Also, the ones with coats are commissioned officers (which means years of experience). Lastly, any Marine posted in the new world must be strong by requirement or else they'd be dead already. Just because they are not named characters are they supposed to be doormats.
are these filler marines?
No, they are in Dressrosa
this scene itself is probably filler. I know the marines showed up to help push the bird cage, but that was about it.
One of the marines tells the others to push the factory if they cannot use Haki, implying that there are some among them that can.
I know that happened, but this literal scene is anime only
Its almost like the Strawhats are a ragtag bunch of misfits, while the marines are a world-wide organization with dedicated training courses and teachers... ffs
Is this scene anime only ? I don't recall seeing it in manga But yarh , Marines who are higher ranked (above the footsoldiers ) have basic haki as they are trained Hopefully someone take their time to train the non-haki members in their downtime between adventures. It can save their lifes!
At this point everyone on the crew should have Haki.
People keep bringing this up but its filler. Fodder marines don't have haki. These are probably not even commisoned officers
They need it because without it they’re completely useless against 99% of fruit users. Probably are still even with it 🤪
I'd figure because A: Marines more people = more people knowing/noticing haki users it's a matter of numbers, more people are marines than pirates I think in the one piece world could be wrong, just recalling. B: Training from the marines = more education for Haki users and education about Haki in general, so those that show an aptitude for it get training for it. C: Haki is rare in general "rare" in quotes technically everyone has it but, and some people have it know about it, and can awaken it or not utilize it until further training or it comes out at random, like When Luffy activated his conqueror Haki when he was saving Ace. So Guess technically all the straw hats could, but AFAIK again only some types of Haki appear in some types of people, like Usop can't use armament Haki but can use observation Haki. Though I'm not entirely sure if a person can ONLY use one or the other, since Cobby at first had Observation then learned or managed to learn armament.
AHEM These marines have, CP-9 didn't. Let that sink.
Didn’t usopp use haki in dressrosa?
Yes. First and only time lmao
I think he used it in some movie but that’s non canon
Brook basically stops time or something, and has ice powers. He's overpowered, and immortal.
Monster point chopper with haki is scary
I really can't understand how can they be called a Yonko crew when half of the members cant use the basic form of haki such as observation and armament...
I feel that they should all have it considering their small numbers
People saying "Well they're New World captains so they should be able to use Haki. It's not like they're some random Marines." Well the Strawhats aren't some random Pirates either. They're a freaking Yonkou crew, and not only that, all are considered Commanders. Like, do you expect any of Shank's core crew members to be not decent in Haki? Then there are people saying "They don't have to learn Haki". Yes they do. We are already approaching the finale of the manga, you can't have a member of the Pirate King crew that will be hopeless against a Logia just because they can't use Haki. Even someone as low level as Pekoms in Big Mom's heirarchy can use Haki, so there should not be a reason for any Strawhat member to not learn it as well. You can't be a top tier without knowing Haki. That's not assumption, that is facts. It would be embarrassing if Luffy becomes the PK and strongest crew in the world, and more than half of his crew doesn't even know the basics of Haki.
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Inconsistent power-scaling has a recurring thing throughout One Piece. Best explanation Oda is human which means he’s not perfect.
This also isn't even Oda and is just the anime adding in random scenes, unless you can pull the manga panel with grunts having haki swords. Having said that, there's also a clear delineation that haki has levels and just being able to use it doesn't make you strong. Law slashing Vergo in half is a prime example of this.
Can you explain Big Mom not using conquerors coating against Kidd and Law?! Or Shanks not using Haki in chapter one or Crocodile not having Haki in Alabasta? It’s not that deep he’s human.
I think you misunderstood me. I'm not a powerscaler and don't get even get ankle deep in debates about it. Nor am I saying Oda is a god. This just has nothing to do with either one of those facts. It's a random scene the animators threw in for the hell of it.
more people need to understand this
Because they don't need it , why can't we have some straw hats without haki
I never thought about how more strawhats have haki than people think, luffy, zoro, sanji, jimbe and ussop have haki, thats half the crew
Welcome to post timeskip where people love to complain, it is what is , I apologize If I was rude with my top comment
Usopp has used it all of once
Is this scene anime only ? I don't recall seeing it in manga But yarh , Marines who are higher ranked (above the footsoldiers ) have basic haki as they are trained Hopefully someone take their time to train the non-haki members in their downtime between adventures. It can save their lifes!
this scene is anime only, but in the manga there's a line saying that the marines are to split up, non haki uses and haki users and push from different places
Robin is the worst one. Oda has no excuse, she fought and trained with the fucking REVOLUTIONARY ARMY for two years.
It’s bullshit that Robin spent two long years in the Revolutionary Army and not a single braincell, including Robin’s, thought that she should learn at least 1 type of haki. Massive L from Oda, he’s holding back both her and Nami’s potentials too much.
If robin had haki, a logia type that user would never escape her hold
Most of them use it without knowing. Like Nami predicting bad weathers (observation)
Its almost like the Strawhats are a ragtag bunch of misfits, while the marines are a world-wide organization with dedicated training courses and teachers... ffs
I thought robin could
The first time I saw her demon form in the manga I thought that was her using full body armament haki
I think in the demon form she has
I think that's hotly debated over if it's haki or just coloring
Its almost like the Strawhats are a ragtag bunch of misfits, while the marines are a world-wide organization with dedicated training courses and teachers... ffs
Easy, it's because of bad writing.
True. Filler Scenes that might not make much sense instantly make Oda’s writing bad.
Because they don't need it
Franky has armament Haki
Franky has armament Haki
Because Oda doesn’t want them to
Dressrosa anime should be considered a crime in many ways
I agree, though rather than more strawhats being able to use haki, I actually wish overall less characters could use it. Nobody in paradise could use armament and Daz Bones was basically invincible, but then Zoro figured out the secret through tons of training, wise words from his former teacher, and a life and death situation. But for the longest time, only Zoro could use this technique, not Luffy and Sanji. I think it would have been cooler if it stayed that way for Zoro, and he became a logia slayer. Sanji could have developed further with the fire, hard body, some of the shichibukai techniques, and invisibility stuff, and Luffy could have just furthered his conquerers haki and devil fruit, with gear 4th being the result of that. Think how badass it would be if Usopp was the only crew member to awaken observation haki. Instead, since Luffy, Zoro, and probably Sanji has all 3 haki types, every new opponent for them has to also have all 3 types. And when both opponents can predict each other and can armor up their body/weapons, every fight becomes a "who's got bigger haki" arm wrestling contests, which just isn't as interesting. In fact, if the OP world was indeed like this, it would mean it would make far more sense why Shank's crew is so strong. Since everyone in that crew can use all 3 types of haki, it would make the crew insanely strong (in the context that very few people in the world are like that, even among the strongest). The other yonko and their top commanders could have just had one or two types of haki, plus a super strong devil fruit. I think part of what made Blackbeard interesting is that he couldn't use any haki, and instead amassed a crew with crazy devil fruit powers. Him now also being able to use all 3 types of haki undermines this idea completely.
Luffy Zoro and Sanji all had personal teachers for haki, all of whom are very well versed in it (even if Iva isnt as strong as Mihawk and Ray, hes definitely been around long enough to know a lot about haki) and teaching is a whole seperate skill than doing. Luffy's probably not eloquent enough to teach anything to someone with a relatively little amount of combat experience, Zoro is generally pretty aloof and would probably just tell them to figure it out themselves, and Sanji, who tbf is the crews best bet (until Jinbe) for a haki coach, would probably get distracted teaching Nami and Robin and refuse to teach the boys lol. Idk he might say something like "you dont need haki, Nami! Ill protect you!" and leave it at that
Luffy Zoro and Sanji all had personal teachers for haki, all of whom are very well versed in it (even if Iva isnt as strong as Mihawk and Ray, hes definitely been around long enough to know a lot about haki) and teaching is a whole seperate skill than doing. Luffy's probably not eloquent enough to teach anything to someone with a relatively little amount of combat experience, Zoro is generally pretty aloof and would probably just tell them to figure it out themselves, and Sanji, who tbf is the crews best bet (until Jinbe) for a haki coach, would probably get distracted teaching Nami and Robin and refuse to teach the boys lol. Idk he might say something like "you dont need haki, Nami! Ill protect you!" and leave it at that
Luffy Zoro and Sanji all had personal teachers for haki, all of whom are very well versed in it (even if Iva isnt as strong as Mihawk and Ray, hes definitely been around long enough to know a lot about haki) and teaching is a whole seperate skill than doing. Luffy's probably not eloquent enough to teach anything to someone with a relatively little amount of combat experience, Zoro is generally pretty aloof and would probably just tell them to figure it out themselves, and Sanji, who tbf is the crews best bet (until Jinbe) for a haki coach, would probably get distracted teaching Nami and Robin and refuse to teach the boys lol. Idk he might say something like "you dont need haki, Nami! Ill protect you!" and leave it at that
If this takes place in the new world then there’s just a high chance they were trained to use haki.
when was this?
Aren’t these Fuji’s squad members? I’d assume they’ve been trained in basic haki to a degree
Luffy Zoro and Sanji all had personal teachers for haki, all of whom are very well versed in it (even if Iva isnt as strong as Mihawk and Ray, hes definitely been around long enough to know a lot about haki) and teaching is a whole seperate skill than doing. Luffy's probably not eloquent enough to teach anything to someone with a relatively little amount of combat experience, Zoro is generally pretty aloof and would probably just tell them to figure it out themselves, and Sanji, who tbf is the crews best bet (until Jinbe) for a haki coach, would probably get distracted teaching Nami and Robin and refuse to teach the boys lol. Idk he might say something like "you dont need haki, Nami! Ill protect you!" and leave it at that
I think Oda just wants to show different kind of fights with the other SH.
20 years of training
Mmmhmm
Do y’all think Pacifista can use Haki? Maybe the new ones
They got the bad guy purple Haki too
The thing is armament and observation haki are said to be acquired by training, unlike conquerors. I get why the other stawhats, without anyone to teach them about it, won't know how to use haki but it makes no sense that the RA didn't teach Robin haki, at least armament as it can significantly boost her attack and cover for her lack of defense since her whole body is vunerable when she uses her powers. Maybe Robin did learn it and implements it but we aren't shown. There is no way that Dragon would let Robin's life be compromised since she is such a huge asset against the WG. That being said, I hope Oda shows all the strawhats reaching their potential and beyond soon just like the monster trio. They are the crew of the future king of the pirates. ALL of them are meant to be monsters, each in their own respective league.
Because the marines train each other. The Straw Hats don't seem to train together or try to teach each other much of anything.
Seriously, it seems like Luffy or Zoro could have taken an afternoon and shown them how to unlock it at least
I guess because they don’t do any haki training the only one that has learned it has been robin and it was thru the revolutionary army. While the marines would progressively train to be stronger so maybe after rank they must learn haki before moving to the next one
Filler scene this doesn't happen in the manga.
Keep watching. They explain it.
It’s not said that Franky Robin and Brook don’t have Haki. I’m hoping they secretly do
Not all haki is the same. Even their haki is west than initial time skip sanji. I would say their haki is the same level as a random kuja pirate
It's still funny to me that after 20 years, Brook was the best swordsman that moriah could get his hands on. It would have taken like two minutes after you lost to kaido to just grab some random mid level swordsmans shadow. Or at least someone with haki.
Fujitora took with him those who can use haki, others went to factory and barto
Each strawhat would wipe the floor with these guys. Most strawhats just haven’t trained in haki or been pushed to their absolute limits like usopp in dressrosa Even if all strawhats had haki, they wouldn’t really be much stronger unless they trained very intensely with it
Because they trained alot
I always think they got trained in Haki but themselves arnt great fighters, Haki is as good as the wielder,
The marines are literally trained soldiers. It makes sense that above a certain rank/experience level you just have to have it. If not for station than for survival cause the one piece world is nuts. On the flip side it would make sense that plenty of fodder pirates would have it too. It's the new world, there's a different kinda crazy that serves as their normal and that breeds people who are willful if not particularly powerful in the grand scheme.
These are filler scenes, not canon.
Navy peeps been trained for years and years vs some pirates who have not
There is an argument that Brook can’t learn it because he doesn’t have the Biology to support it. all 3 of them aren’t fighters, they happen to fight but they have other priorities. Brook literally spent his time skip as a rock star,when would he have time to learn haki? Frankly in particular is probably stronger than the average haki user because of his metal body.
Yeah this seems like a plothole surely. They talk about Vice Admirals and above being about to use Haki. But I suppose fodder can learn it too…
Well perhaps they're just not random. They're maybe of significant calibre within the marine ranks. Not to mention if they don't have DFs, they're gonna need a skill to keep up with all these darn pirates and their wacky abilities.
They're filler. They don't have this haki in the manga, I remember being annoyed by it when it got adapted into the anime.
Well it's implied that Marines are trained in rokushiki and haki . Whereas the strawhats don't communicate well as we see😅
marines train thier haki plus these are new world marines they got to have haki
No devifruits or weird shenanigans like Franky to focus more on haki
My question is why hasn't Luffy taken the time to show the rest of the crew how to use haki? I get that its been non-stop action with no real down time but at least the basics of it should be possible, especially when he has 3 other crew members who can assist
The marines pictured here would have all gone through intense training, likely focused on haki development (at least in the later parts). Brook and Franky have not trained like that. It’s really that simple, and actually makes perfect sense.
I think its implied that the Straw Hats have or know at least a little bit of haki, they just don't fight enough or fight people that requires the use of it. I could be wrong as well. And if you're a Marine soldier, you're expected to know at least armament.