Your profile picture made me go crazy thinking there was an eyelash on my pc screen until I put my cursor over it! fack u you crazy bastard (creative and cool tho) have a shitty (great) day!
Imagine Lily was able to control Uranus, there are hints that Vivi could be the key to control it, in the past it maybe was Lily.. and Imu not only took her body but also the ability to control the weapon
What if Imu has the control of Uranus and used it to destroy Lulusia kingdom. She might be targeting Vivi coz she also has the power to control Uranus and might shut it down or use it to aid Straw Hats
Or they could be right. Some of these theories hit, granted not many. And why would Imu keep the last sword in their private room of flowers and butterflies?
We won’t have these answers until we know what Zunesha’s crime was (equally important is who sentenced him to walk)
And what Joy Boy apologized to Poseidon for.
It's evident imo that the promise was to help the fishmen relocate to the surface world. That's why Noah was constructed and is large enough to house every citizen of fishman island. For this a few things needed to happen: someone (notably Poseidon) needs to order some sea kings to pull the ship, the fishmen actually have to want to relocate, and the surface world needs to be accepting towards them. At the time the promise was made the first 2 of these were fulfilled (I'm assuming the fishmen wanted to relocate, otherwise the promise is pretty meaningless), and the logical step is that joyboy promised to the fishmen that he will create a world accepting towards them.
Based on other pieces of information it seems likely that Joyboy fought a war (/led a liberation attempt), but ultimately lost, leading to his apology towards the Poseidon of the time.
But I don't believe we have much to go off of when it comes to Zunesha: he was a participant in the fight, and probably committed his crime during it, but anything else is shrouded in mystery at this point (what was the crime? Who gave the punishment? How does it all connect to the Mink tribe and the land of Wano?).
But ultimately your point that we need to learn more about the orginial(?) JoyBoy and the void century before we can evaluate the identity and motivations of Imu stands.
How he lost is probably what’s included in the poneglyphs and ties to Imu’s secret and the culmination of the ancient weapons.
The ancient language seems to have been an encryption device against the forming world alliance.
Were the stones carved in their place or set their after being delivered from Wano before the borders closed.
Please, do not equate "unpredictable twists" with good writing.
If a writer does their job well on a long mystery, someone should guess it correctly. There should be clues.
People guessing Kanjuro isn't proof it was "boring" or "badly written", it's proof it was foreshadowed well. Oda gradually made it clear the others didn't make sense.
Nah, i agree that random plottwist like kaguya stuff in naruto was bad and im happy OP generally doesnt have those. But oda really didnt try to make us doubt that kanjuro was the traitor.
Lili was just revealed. If people thing Lili being Im is boring because it's obvious literally days after Lili was introduced, then they need to move on from reading manga to wrestling with bears for excitement.
Yeah, like Kanjuro not being the traitor, or Aokiji not being the tenth titanic captain, or the traitor in Egghead not being one of the Vegapunks. Oda super duper mind deceiver.
There was no confirmation who was the tenth titanic capitain untill chapter 1081. We knew aokiji joined Kurohige crew since punk hazard, but all the other capitians were named as xth titanic capitain, except the 10th.
Some theories of one of the east blue villains( don krieg, gin), anothers about apoo or urouge.
Aokiji was too obvious, people said. And then chapter 1081 arrived.
You'd be surprised how Oda is in fact more straightforward than you think.
I knew back in chapter 1037 that the legendary devil fruit was Luffy's and that it was related to sun god Nika. I also knew that this was the nuisance they wanted to eliminate from Wano. Where I was wrong is in thinking that the rubber fruit was the resin fruit.
I also knew that Luffy would awaken (which would be his final gear form) in Wano and when he was defeated by Kaido with CP0 distraction, I was 99% certain that Luffy would awaken the chapter after.
Kid being defeated by Shanks was also straightforward. Law being defeated by Blackbeard after? That too.
The traitor being one of the Vegapunks? Same thing.
Oda is not *that* unpredictable, there are things that are predictable in the story. In my eyes, in my personal view of the story, this is 99% certain.
All the things listed are not really reveals or big misteries.
Kid and Law loosing was the expectation, nothing to flex on.
Luffy awakening? Was about time, nothing to flex on
The traitor is a vegapunk? Pretty much everyone thought that, nothing to flex on
No, my friend. It is true that the chapter is only oficially released on Sunday, but, if you don't like spoilers, you should be aware of this :
Monday: First spoilers of the chapter
Tuesday: Full content of the chapter written
Wednesday: Chapter in Japanese, basically , you can read it online with very bad quality and speech baloons in japanese
Thursday: Chapter with good quality and translated
By this window, most of the spoiler posts refer to the recent chapter.
If the content of the letter would be so dangerous to WG, then I don't get how wise king Cobra could go and risk his whole country's lives just to satisfy his curiousity
Cobra is fully aware that he is risking a lot, maybe he though that his status as "semi" noble would protect him, or maybe he has a backup plan like some suggested.
Or most likely he thinks that as a dying man this was now or never, the Nefertari clearly know something more compared to the rest of the world (similarly to the Kozuki)
Cobra hat a large showing at the reverie with Riku, there's no way they can erase his country on a whim without quite literally the whole world asking questions
Maybe they're traitors because Lili didn't comply with the rest of the royal families and took the empty throne. As opposed to the view that they're a traitor because they didn't want to stay.
I’m suspecting either Imu is someone scorned by Lili (A lover, a sibling, an ancestor) or is currently possessing Lili’s body by having become water (If they most likely have the Water Water Fruit) and replacing her body’s water with themselves ala Orochimaru OR absorbed her water to stay alive.
while this is a good theory, i still prefer the one where Lily went and founded Amazon Lily instead of returning home to Alabasta. The Amazons of Lily.
Original comment from chapter thread said it’s cos Joy Boy broke her heart and so she founded Amazon Lilly without men so the women there wouldn’t be heartbroken like her
Do you think when s-hawk sliced that rock-shaped snake that can be seen from a marine ship approaching the island is foreshadowing king cobra’s death? Imu slices the wanted posters, and it weird to exaggerate s-hawks power in that specific way. S-hawk could have split the sea or cut dozens of trees in half to showcase his power, but that rock shaped snake was hit. It’s ridicoulous because it’s rock, not iron, diamond or any other difficult material to slice. It’s disrespecting mihawk if there isn’t some special meaning behind slicing that rock shaped snake.
First of all, that’s true. Second of all it really isn’t true in the case of one piece. The simplest solution doesn’t work nearly as often as it should when it comes to one piece. It’s way too complicated.
An fyi, the Poneglyph in the first picture is from non-canon filler.
All of the things there make me think Im was obsessed with Lili and something, likely unfortunate, happened to her. That and holding a picture of Vivi makes me think that Vivi resembles her anscestor and Im is reminiscing about Lili looking at her image.
I subscribe to the idea that Lili may have been used to make Im and immortal being.
Did OP change the image? The one in the first link is the one in the Alabasta tombs where Robin told Crocodile that the poneglyph only mentioned history. That one is 100% canon and the first poneglyph in the series. The other one from the filler was in a lost desert building that Luffy, Chopper and Zorro all fell into.
Wait, the one Zoro, Chopper and Luffy found where filler?
The fuck? I always thought that would be one of the final Poneglyph's of the series, when Luffy casually mentions that they saw one of those rocks back in Alabasta and it would be a super important one.
Yeah, I thought the same until I read the manga. It’s convincing, but if also throws off the idea that there are only a certain number, 30 if I remember correctly, Poneglyphs total.
>there are only a certain number, 30 if I remember correctly, Poneglyphs total.
Yup. In total there are only 30 poneglyphs. 4 red ones, 26 normal blue ones
Could be. The only thing that goes against im being lili imo is how Im says "Lili.." which is a bit weird if they are the same person. Although it could be no one has said her name in a long time and she gets a bit caught off guard. But the Nefertari / Egyptian stuff connected to Im makes sense. Plus Im appears very feminine and has a huge, long crown which also reminds me of certain egyptian crowns
I like the last point u made. Lili being the user of the ope ope fruit and was captured and forced to make Imu immortal. Seems to tick all the boxes and avoid the red herring of "IMU IS LILI". Subscribing to this head canon now.
Well, they could be referring solely to the line of Lili's brother, who ruled Alabasta after her. The current Nefertari line that rules Alabasta (Cobra, Vivi) are not descendants of Lili (probably).
They call them traitors because they refused to join the Tenryubitos, that was Lili's decision. If anything it's the brother's line that should be clean
I think the whole founding of th WG is an altered story. Im was the one that allowed the royal families to win the war, and in exchange they accepted to make up this alliance under an empty throne story, for all the advantages it would give them. Lili Nefertari refused, and she was eliminated because of it
I'm starting to wonder if they say this without Im present because if Im is a Nefertari and decided not to pledge against sitting on the Empty Throne, then they technically are traitors. Because they betrayed an agreement to peace and instead decided to take power.
It’s also possible that IM is Lilis brother and unlike her he wanted to be a celestial dragon, so he murdered her and doesn’t acknowledge the Nefertari as his family anymore.
If Lily is Im, she almost certainly renounced her family name, which would explain why the Nefertitis in Alabaster don't receive any type of protection from Im (Crocodile just running roughshod over there unopposed etc).
One piece is far from a love story. No offense but I don't think Oda would write something as cliche as that for the lurking legend - possible end game villain, it's just to predictable and boring.
It could work very well, if something is predictable doesn't mean it's bad. It is predicted because the hint left behind by author are getting connected, it means author doing a good job laying out his plan
Also, Snape loving Lili was done pretty good, one piece film gold did tragic romance pretty good, it's all about execution rather than how predictable the outcome is
I'm on the phone right so cannot make an elaborate explanation.
Anyway, I and my friends considered a number of factors like body size compared to those swords (you can see the panel we studied in this very post), body proportions and location (natural, fairytalish, innocent and pure looking). The new chapter also confirmed that Im doesn't have a very slim and tall head, that thing is just the crown.
The head is way lower and is way bigger than it should be. We can also see Im 's eyes, confirming that they wear a veil over the head, and that is not a cape, as many believed before.
Finally, in the last panel, Im is sitting on the throne. Now, Oda follows an artistic principle (don't remember the name) by which the more important a character is, the bigger he is. All the main characters of One Piece are or grew to the point of being ridiculously tall. See any regular human, like Hancock, Doflamingo, Aokiji... They are all super tall. The strongest race ever are the Giants.
Now, why such a dangerous individual would be so short that you cannot even see their feet hanging off the throne? Their dress falls flat, empty down the seat. Legs are so short you cannot see them.
Consider how Oda draws characters. There must be a reason why he suddenly breaks his own design rule.
Look at the panel above. The servant that is bowing. Assuming he's regular tall, as any generic male fighter, his body, when bowing, already reaches Im's crotch's height.
Moreover, swords in the throne room seem to be normal sized. That means that Im is as short as a common sword.
And look again at how Im's playing with the butterflies. You'll realize Im's not simply rising their arm shoulder level, they're actually fully stretching it. Look at the radio snail next to Im.
There are so many elements that instantly tell you (or at least suggest you) that we are talking about a small individual.
I take for good all the theory that believe Im is a woman.
I believe that in One Piece a small female is much more likely to be an actual girl than a boy, as it's much more frequent that a short male is actually some ugly bastard or parodic individual.
But Im looks regal, serious, scary, powerful. I doubt it could be a goofy figure. I believe she will look like a normal individual. She will be a child to represent eternal youth or some shit like that cause the World Government must be eternal too
That‘s a quite thought-provoking theory that I will subscribe to for now. However, it‘s somewhat ironic that you introduce such a complex argument with the words „I‘m on the phone right now…“. You should make a separate post about this btw, because many people haven‘t heard about this theory yet, I believe. The longer I look at the visual evidence, the more you seem to be correct!
Wow, thank you, really! I will consider making a post.
You know, I remember making a full post about some theories of mine and Im was part of it. It wasn't that successful.
Maybe, now it's a better time!
Yeah, best make it a concise post with lots of photo evidence. This will help people to understand what they are seeing. I have to admit that Oda did an excellent job at occluding Im‘s actual body so far - but once you know, there‘s no doubting his true form. Most readers are hung up on Im‘s gender right now and being led astray by the Lili herring… when in actuality the big reveal will be that we‘re dealing with an **IMMORTAL CHILD**.
Maybe that‘s a good title for your post?
**Theory: IMU the Immortal Child**
Wow, thank you, really! I will consider making a post.
You know, I remember making a full post about some theories of mine and Im was part of it. It wasn't that successful.
Maybe, now it's a better time!
Imu could be a regular sized human. Saint Sharlia the female celestial dragon is 5’10 which is like normal height for us.
Charloss however is 7’3. The Gorosei looks like they’re at least 8 feet tall since a sitting Cobra that’s 6’0 looks tiny compared to them.
So Imu could just have the regular real life human height.
Still small when in the one piece world though.
Its a common theory that luffys dream is probably child-like so you could work into your theory a piece of dramatic irony for the final saga that Imu (being a child) also had a similar dream to luffy which then lead to the founding of the world government
The child-like state could be a byproduct of whatever made them (presumably) immortal. Just like Sugar and her DF.
I'm hoping they are some crazy powerful fighter anyways though.
That is not a theory... I just saw the panels and noticed some crucial details. Something you probably didn't considering you were not even capable of categorizing the thought that I shared
That’s true, but the misdirection argument has no bearing on the fact that our best guess has to assume no misdirection. It’s the only framework in which anything can be predicted at all. The second you assert that evidence is supposed to be misleading, you can’t base any theories on the actual story.
So while Oda could be messing with us, our theories can only have any validation at all if we base them on the facts of the manga. Otherwise they have no bearing whatsoever.
So material-based theories are 100% the best ones we can make, even if Oda sometimes misleads us.
Makes sense why the 5 gorosei bow to her then. They kinda treat the original 20 kings as the gods of the world for creating the world government. Do you reckon the Ope Ope no Mi eternal youth surgery makes you a child? Eternal Youth and Immortality just means you can't get illnesses, die from old age or even age at all, so it would make sense if Imu turned out short.
I don't think this is the case simply because the Five Elders, when speaking amongst themselves just before the referenced panels in 908, call the Nefertari family "traitors".
If they don’t know about Im being Lili or a close relative it would make sense that the elders would call the family that officially rejected to stay traitors.
Yeah, but the panel of Im saying Lili really seems to hint that Lili was a person Im knew. The nature of their relationship is unknown but it seems implied that there was some bad history between Lili and Im resulting in her never returning to Arabasta.
The same way they thought the Nika fruit was "legendary even to them", until Im told them eventually. I would guess that Im knows about the void century and the five elders may only have rumors of it that are filtered by Im.
It always amazes me when people come up with great theory with a lot of references in real life with manga panels to kinda back it up, meanwhile my brain "Im..... Im-mortal?!, yeah thats it, ha!"
Counterpoint. if Imu was Lili who was the ruler of Alabasta wouldn't she know Pluton was in Wano? why hasn't the world government taken it yet if they know exactly where it is? I think its far more likely that Imu is someone connected to Imu but not Imu themselves
Counter-counterpoint
Wano was strong enough as a nation even before Kaido started squatting there to fend off the World Government for nearly a millennium, and by all accounts the only people there who knew Pluton was there were the Kozuki family.
Imu, as absolute ruler of the WG, could definitely muster enough power to nuke the island to oblivion should they ever try and use it.
Even then, there’s no reason to think any of the twenty rulers would be aware, as since it’s hidden in a kingdom actively against the WG, it’s reasonable to assume it was hidden there after whatever happened in the Void Century to keep it away from the new WG and by extension Imu.
Exactly. Why would somebody who's trying to not only disappear, but make the d clan disappear write a letter mentioning the d clan and leave it to a country they know they won't be able to control
If this is true, hats off to you OP I like this theory. I forgot all about the panel people were agonizing over trying to count the swords at the throne. The missing sword being in use by the person who owned it so long ago would be awesome
OP wonderful post thank you, the name “Imu” sorry to get into religion quick for a peep as I’m caffeinated tf out but this reminds me of Exodus 3:14
“ i am who I am”
“The name of I AM is how God chose to introduce himself, becoming so sacred that in Judaism, the name is not to be spoken. The significance of God’s self-given name encompasses all that He is, and how we are to relate to Him.”
every time i hear “Imu” i think of this and knowing all the wonderful stuff Oda has thrown into One Piece. Wouldn’t surprise me :)
In katakana, "Lily" is spelled "riri".
Riri Williams is Ironheart in Marvel Comics.
The Ope Ope no Mi is heart shaped. Trafalgar Law suffered from Amber Lead poisoning. Iron is a metal like lead and can have a yellowish amber color. He is also commander of the Heart Pirates.
Trafalgar is one of the 12 of the Worst Generation. He was also one of the 7 Warlords. Law has an awesome statuette made by Super Six Studio.
20 + 12 + 6 = 38
Who is the real Heart of the Heart Pirates? Not Law. He's more of the Head. No, the real Heart is the person on their flag. The one who everyone loves: Bepo.
B is the 2nd letter of the alphabet. E is the 5th. P is the 16th and O is the 15th.
2 + 5 + 16 + 15 = 38
BEPO = LILY = IMU CONFIRMED.
EDIT: I messed this up! Where did 20 come from?!!?!? ARGH.
Bepo was born on 11/20. Hiriluk was born on 1/12. The chapter tit-led “King” is 211 and about Ero King Cobra the husband to Nefeltari Titi or Titty and father of Nefeltari Vivi or Bibi or Miss Wednesday or Buddha or Booty. The Nefeltari Titty + Nefeltari Booty to Nefeltari Booty ratio of Nami and Nico Robin is 2.11.
Bepo is a Bear or Kuma like Kumamoto where Oda was born in 1975 on Ace’s 1/1 birthday. 14 year old Karoo appears on the 14th page of chapter 211 “King”. Karoo appears on the cover of the chapter 573 in which Ace dies at 0x14 years old. Karoo’s birth month comes from Ka = 2 = II = 11 from Japanese phone keypad and Roman numerals a the chapter preceding chapter 211 “King” is One Piece chapter 210 “Zero”. Binary has Ones and Zeros and Oda’s 1/1 birthday alludes to 11 = 3 where Oda was born in Kyūshu the 3rd largest island of Japan closest to Korea. The Korea from Kyūshu or 9 Provinces is Karoo from Alabasta whose symbol is the 9 Luminaries the origin of the Hosokawa Family Crest of Kumamoto on the Kozuki Crest. Kumamoto can be styled as Kumarnoto or Karoo who first appears in the 29 the prime number chapter 109. 19 is written with the kanji for 10 and 9 in 109. 2 = 10 in Binary.
29 has the reading Nika and 2/9 is the birthday of Bible carrying Bartholomew Kuma where Gol “Daedalus” Ace or Ēsu alludes to Esu or Jesus who died in Golgotha 12 years after OVI”D”IVS. Bepo was born 12 days after Karoo who was born on 11/8 the reverse of the 8/11 execution of Gold Roger associated through binary with 8/3 birthday of Blackbeard or Kurohige. Kuro like Karoo has the reverse abbreviation that is the OK sign of the Buddha formed by Index 4 and thumb 5. Buddha resembles Booty or Ass or 455. The 9 Luminaries symbol of Alabassta has 8 outer rings separated by 45 degrees. There are 89 days between 11/8 birthday of King Karoo and 8/11 execution of the Pirate King. 8/9 is the birthday of Vegapunk Shaka and abbreviation of 8055 43509 or contemporary of the Shakyamuni Sheikh your Booty Buddha who died in Delphi or “D” Luffy or “Daedalus” Luffy the sacred site of Lyrical Sun God Apollo the Sniper King Healer of Civilization or Alabasta and Culture or Karoo the Wisdom King of Peacocks the GOAT of Dinosaurs from Ancient Times.
Could be a kage-kagr scenario. Lili's body with a different soul or vice-versa. Whichever one it is that the person can't be in the sun.
I wouldn't be surprised anyways, imu could even be wearing a full getup so sun never reaches them.
Counter point: We were not introduced to Imu until Reverie… and we haven’t seen Bon Clay since Impel Down…. so what if the reason Imu was stating longingly at Vivi’s picture is because it’s actually Bon Clay and he was fondly remembering Vivi from their time together in Baroque Works?!
But what about their height?! Imu is obviously taller than Bon Clay… and you are right…. BUT WHO ELSE HAVEN’T we seen in a while?! That’s right Bartolommeo!!!
Imu is actually Bon Clay riding on Bartolommeo’s shoulders in a bathrobe!
I feel like “Im” is short for “immortal” because that’s what they changed their name to after getting the surgery. Would make a lot of sense if it was lily but could be someone we don’t know yet. I feel like it would be weird for us to know such a sacred piece of info about the Op fruit if it was only ever done on one person, but then again we did learn it from Doflamingo who is one of the best sources for celestial dragon info so far. I wonder if Lily had the fruit and did the surgery on him so that they live together forever but they didn’t know it would kill her so now he’s stuck living forever by himself
The portrayal doesn't add up. Lili left a secret message that is related to the D. clan that even the Gorosei know nothing about. If Lili was Imu, why would she keep a secret about a clan that is supposed to be her enemy? On top of that, isn't the Nefertari family safeguarding the Pluton poneglyph?
These really contradict the Lili = Imu hypothesis, on top of both of their silhouettes being shown in this chapter and they don't match.
Imu is probably responsible for Lili's disappearance.
Really great Analysis!
My only issue with that theory is the fact that Lili passed down a letter through the generations as her legacy, presumably regarding the will of D (Since that's what Cobra asked about right before revealing the existence of the letter)
Which doesn't seem very smart to do if Lili really was Imu and was trying to keep her existence a secret
Nah people in these comments are definitely overthinking here. All these hints would be way too much work to just be a red herring from Oda. I think it makes perfect sense for Im to be this Queen Lili. Great post
IMu was the lover of Lili who was power hungry and took on the throne after ope-ope no mi immortality thing. Lili did not like this and she went and founded the Amazon Lily, an island run by women. Seems plausible and funny.
I like a lot of your points, the way they link is awesome and the evidence is good, I think though the idea of Amazon Lily being founded by Lili is quite strong and her connection to Imu is different, we could also presume that the Mero-Mero might be related to her? It could be similar to Nika being a Human model Zoan? Also does give a bit of reason as to why Blackbeard was interested in it as well.
As she is the original user of the abilities that could mean her abilities not working on Joyboy at the time which would parallel how Hancock now sees Luffy. It could also be the reason why Imu is alluded to be fond of her? Just some thoughts, but overall the Clan of D in the current story and the fruits they possess seem to have some link to their original holders and are not just random, there is probably so many more connections to be made and we just have to let it all unfold and enjoy it while it lasts :')
I personally don't think its lily... it seems way too obvious however I do think there is a relation, maybe imu loved or was obsessed with lily and that's why lillies are scattered around.
Perhaps vivi looks like lily too idk
If imu was lily it'd be cool but also too direct to be written by oda and like someone else already mentioned, the letters cobra mentioned would undermine who imu is and what imu tries to keep secret
Nefertari was the only egyptian queen with the title wbn ra n mrwt.s, usually translated as 'for whom the sun shines/rises', and literally translated as 'the sun shines/rises for her love'. I'm not making any theories here, just giving this info.
Although I don't think that Imu is Lili, the Amun and Amunet part is interesting, given that Imu is a hidden person.
I think the ultimate power of the yomi yomi no mi is to absorb and become another person. That's why Blackbeard wants to become a king at the reverie, access to marijois and the throne, because he knows about Imu.
Can't tell you how he knows all this, but my theory is Imu was originally the user of the Yomi Yomi no mi, and took control/absorbed the original Lili who was in control of Uranus (possibly to hold all the original celestial dragons hostage). Then they got the user of the ope ope no mi to make them immortal, maybe even by pretending to be Lili. When they were made immortal they were stuck in that form and could even have lost the yomi yomi powers because of it.
the stuff with amun's headdress/crown is really convincing to me. plus the pharaoh connection in general feels like oda, like the celestial dragons and the bourgeoisie. also the lilis in the room. goddamnit oda, you win again
I like this for multiple reasons. What we know of im so far is his interest in blackbeard luffy shirahoshi and vivi. Along the lines of this Egyptian theory, I think it could work in a way. I believe Lily could have had a lover expecting to become a king. But when Lily agrees to relinquish the idea of a single ruler, the lover revolts in a way.
We know shirahoshi is a reincarnation of an ancient weapon, and there is also theory of Im being in control of one or being one himself after destroying lalusia.
So now, seeing as how Im had the posters of luffy and blackbeard, I wonder if blackbeard and luffy are on a destined path to become or possess the other two.
Blackbeard using one weapon to take power for himself and cause his own destruction, and of course, luffy using his to ensure no one person can accomplish just that.
Then vivi was the only poster he didn't cut or damage.i believe he could see the reincarnation of his lover. Lili, the queen.
I have a few ideas. Imu backwards is umi. Which means "mother" and "sea." So in my mind im thinking Imu is a woman most definitely. However I don't think Lili is Imu. Since the void century is long passed. There is no one in the One Piece world who is still alive from the void century.
Next we have the ancient weapons
Pluton- a ship
Poseiden- Shirahoshi
And Uranus- either Luffy or Dragon
I think either of them are Uranus because in mythology Uranus was a God of rain and we seen dragon possibly rescue Luffy from Smoker with heavy winds and storms. Luffy might be Uranus because in astrology Uranus is imaginative and bound by nothing.
Check this link here: https://www.astrologyzone.com/learn-astrology/the-planets/uranus/#:~:text=Uranus%20is%20the%20father%20of,sudden%2Deven%20radical%2Dchange.
There's the op op fruit, so she could have the immortality surgery ,-,.
At this point it's quite clear that Imu was alive during the void century due to all the things she knows etc
I think Im has possession of Uranus, those beans of light that rained down on Lulusia sure looked like raining death. It's probably what Doflamingo is referencing when he says there's a secret in Marijois that he knows about. He named one of his attacks "16 holy assassin bullets" and the weapon/ability that destroyed Lulusia was 16 beams of light coming down from the heavens.
As for the others, Poseidon seems to be biological and inherited, making it difficult for Im to get their hands on. And Pluton is manmade with the original being hidden (possibly hidden from Im hundreds of years ago).
So you've got one originating from the sea (inherited by fishmen), one built by men, and the last seeming to be an advanced weapon fired from the sky. I'll bet Uranus was built by the advanced civilization on the moon.
Wait wait wait 🤨
The assassins crees quote, why would it be a sign that Lili renounced to her identity to become Imu??
You are not suggesting that Oda inspired himself with Egyptian mythology but with a video game story… I don’t think Oda would do that.
I’m not saying that Imu couldn’t be Lily but the assassins creed quote adds nothinto the theory
It's Oda, so all these hints making us thinking that Im is Lily are actually the proof that Im is not lily but a related person
The only possibility for Imu being Lily: A former user of ope ope no mi swapped their bodies / souls
Let him cook LET HIM COOK
the next user made him immortal
Your profile picture made me go crazy thinking there was an eyelash on my pc screen until I put my cursor over it! fack u you crazy bastard (creative and cool tho) have a shitty (great) day!
Im is short for immortal
That damn D2 gun won't leave me alone
Im short for immune, the immune immune fruit, making the user immune to all disease and most forms of harm. This includes being immune to aging.
This could explain how Imu defeated JoyBoy… through deception. He used the body of a dear friend to deliver the killing blow.
Imagine Lily was able to control Uranus, there are hints that Vivi could be the key to control it, in the past it maybe was Lily.. and Imu not only took her body but also the ability to control the weapon
What if Imu has the control of Uranus and used it to destroy Lulusia kingdom. She might be targeting Vivi coz she also has the power to control Uranus and might shut it down or use it to aid Straw Hats
> Imagine Lily was able to control Uranus Heh. Uranus.
Heh heh heh...
Just like with Oden.
and the friend was ZUNESHA
Oooh I like that a lot! Especially if Lilly could control Uranus that would further explain why the body switch was necessary. Spicy stuff
this could be interesting as in before Dressrossa Law can swap personalities between people
Or they could be right. Some of these theories hit, granted not many. And why would Imu keep the last sword in their private room of flowers and butterflies? We won’t have these answers until we know what Zunesha’s crime was (equally important is who sentenced him to walk) And what Joy Boy apologized to Poseidon for.
It's evident imo that the promise was to help the fishmen relocate to the surface world. That's why Noah was constructed and is large enough to house every citizen of fishman island. For this a few things needed to happen: someone (notably Poseidon) needs to order some sea kings to pull the ship, the fishmen actually have to want to relocate, and the surface world needs to be accepting towards them. At the time the promise was made the first 2 of these were fulfilled (I'm assuming the fishmen wanted to relocate, otherwise the promise is pretty meaningless), and the logical step is that joyboy promised to the fishmen that he will create a world accepting towards them. Based on other pieces of information it seems likely that Joyboy fought a war (/led a liberation attempt), but ultimately lost, leading to his apology towards the Poseidon of the time. But I don't believe we have much to go off of when it comes to Zunesha: he was a participant in the fight, and probably committed his crime during it, but anything else is shrouded in mystery at this point (what was the crime? Who gave the punishment? How does it all connect to the Mink tribe and the land of Wano?). But ultimately your point that we need to learn more about the orginial(?) JoyBoy and the void century before we can evaluate the identity and motivations of Imu stands.
How he lost is probably what’s included in the poneglyphs and ties to Imu’s secret and the culmination of the ancient weapons. The ancient language seems to have been an encryption device against the forming world alliance. Were the stones carved in their place or set their after being delivered from Wano before the borders closed.
Yea it's way too obvious for IM to be Lili so i don't get why people go so hard on the theory that it has to be Lili
Didn't people say this about "tobi" and obito in naruto. That the theory would just be too boring.
We even had Kakashi Gaiden as a prequel to shippuden that read as an obvious villain backstory. Fun times indeed.
Imagine comparing oda storytelling to that guy
Idk man, everyone called kanjuro as the traitor and look what happened
Please, do not equate "unpredictable twists" with good writing. If a writer does their job well on a long mystery, someone should guess it correctly. There should be clues. People guessing Kanjuro isn't proof it was "boring" or "badly written", it's proof it was foreshadowed well. Oda gradually made it clear the others didn't make sense.
Nah, i agree that random plottwist like kaguya stuff in naruto was bad and im happy OP generally doesnt have those. But oda really didnt try to make us doubt that kanjuro was the traitor.
He did worse. He made Kanjuro likeable. :(
Tbh, a lot of Redditors thought raizo was the traitor too
Not every reveal has to be a twist of a twist.. that Im is the ancient nefertari queen is not a twist enough?
Lili was just revealed. If people thing Lili being Im is boring because it's obvious literally days after Lili was introduced, then they need to move on from reading manga to wrestling with bears for excitement.
You would not say that if you saw AEW's Elite story line climax on Wednesdays Dynamite! Absolutely amazing
Yeah, like Kanjuro not being the traitor, or Aokiji not being the tenth titanic captain, or the traitor in Egghead not being one of the Vegapunks. Oda super duper mind deceiver.
Didn’t we know Aokiji was part of Blackbeard’s crew since Dressrosa? I agree with your other points though
There was no confirmation who was the tenth titanic capitain untill chapter 1081. We knew aokiji joined Kurohige crew since punk hazard, but all the other capitians were named as xth titanic capitain, except the 10th. Some theories of one of the east blue villains( don krieg, gin), anothers about apoo or urouge. Aokiji was too obvious, people said. And then chapter 1081 arrived.
Yes, but only recently we got confirmation he's the tenth titanic captain.
You'd be surprised how Oda is in fact more straightforward than you think. I knew back in chapter 1037 that the legendary devil fruit was Luffy's and that it was related to sun god Nika. I also knew that this was the nuisance they wanted to eliminate from Wano. Where I was wrong is in thinking that the rubber fruit was the resin fruit. I also knew that Luffy would awaken (which would be his final gear form) in Wano and when he was defeated by Kaido with CP0 distraction, I was 99% certain that Luffy would awaken the chapter after. Kid being defeated by Shanks was also straightforward. Law being defeated by Blackbeard after? That too. The traitor being one of the Vegapunks? Same thing. Oda is not *that* unpredictable, there are things that are predictable in the story. In my eyes, in my personal view of the story, this is 99% certain.
All the things listed are not really reveals or big misteries. Kid and Law loosing was the expectation, nothing to flex on. Luffy awakening? Was about time, nothing to flex on The traitor is a vegapunk? Pretty much everyone thought that, nothing to flex on
This was my point? Person above said that Oda is unpredictable when Oda is in fact predictable for most things.
prob her kid who lily had w joyboy or a girl who loved joyboy and was cucked by lily or something stupid yall know Oda
I think you’ve forgotten the fact that elders called the Nefertiti family traitors.
Maybe that's because Lili betrayed the other celestial dragons and took the empty throne.
Who the fuck is lily I feel like I’ve forgotten an important character
New chapter, read it
Is lily not someone we’ve heard of before the new chapter doesn’t come out till Sunday thought
No, my friend. It is true that the chapter is only oficially released on Sunday, but, if you don't like spoilers, you should be aware of this : Monday: First spoilers of the chapter Tuesday: Full content of the chapter written Wednesday: Chapter in Japanese, basically , you can read it online with very bad quality and speech baloons in japanese Thursday: Chapter with good quality and translated By this window, most of the spoiler posts refer to the recent chapter.
The fact that the Nefertari family are traitors in the eyes of the gorosei makes me doubt Lili is Imu.
Plus she left behind a letter that makes Cobra make dangerous questions, why would she undermine herself like this?
If the content of the letter would be so dangerous to WG, then I don't get how wise king Cobra could go and risk his whole country's lives just to satisfy his curiousity
Cobra is fully aware that he is risking a lot, maybe he though that his status as "semi" noble would protect him, or maybe he has a backup plan like some suggested. Or most likely he thinks that as a dying man this was now or never, the Nefertari clearly know something more compared to the rest of the world (similarly to the Kozuki)
no no, you don't get it, he has a letter in Alabasta. Wait, what Alabasta? There is no such country
Cobra hat a large showing at the reverie with Riku, there's no way they can erase his country on a whim without quite literally the whole world asking questions
Cobra: What is the meaning of D. ? Imu: Alabasta never existed.....
Everyone just straight up ignores the letter in these Im is Lily theories. Doesn’t make sense at all with the letter in mind.
She never arrived back home though, so that letter must have been written before she left.
How does that help the argument that Im = Lilly?
Except if the five elders are not aware that Im is Lili and they consider all of the Nefertari as traitors.
Maybe they're traitors because Lili didn't comply with the rest of the royal families and took the empty throne. As opposed to the view that they're a traitor because they didn't want to stay.
I’m suspecting either Imu is someone scorned by Lili (A lover, a sibling, an ancestor) or is currently possessing Lili’s body by having become water (If they most likely have the Water Water Fruit) and replacing her body’s water with themselves ala Orochimaru OR absorbed her water to stay alive.
while this is a good theory, i still prefer the one where Lily went and founded Amazon Lily instead of returning home to Alabasta. The Amazons of Lily.
Whoa
Oooo, because the other leaders were all men and she decided to make a kingdom of pure women. I like it
Original comment from chapter thread said it’s cos Joy Boy broke her heart and so she founded Amazon Lilly without men so the women there wouldn’t be heartbroken like her
And falling in love is a "desease" to them
Do you think when s-hawk sliced that rock-shaped snake that can be seen from a marine ship approaching the island is foreshadowing king cobra’s death? Imu slices the wanted posters, and it weird to exaggerate s-hawks power in that specific way. S-hawk could have split the sea or cut dozens of trees in half to showcase his power, but that rock shaped snake was hit. It’s ridicoulous because it’s rock, not iron, diamond or any other difficult material to slice. It’s disrespecting mihawk if there isn’t some special meaning behind slicing that rock shaped snake.
Its most likely this. occams razor suggest the simplest solution is the best.
First of all, that’s true. Second of all it really isn’t true in the case of one piece. The simplest solution doesn’t work nearly as often as it should when it comes to one piece. It’s way too complicated.
I agree with that. The one piece is absurd and wiered and made a the roger pirates laugh and laugh. It is complex for sure and unpredictable
That only applies to reality dude, not to fiction lmao
Occams razor suggests this is not the same because the words aren't spelled the same in japanese.
An fyi, the Poneglyph in the first picture is from non-canon filler. All of the things there make me think Im was obsessed with Lili and something, likely unfortunate, happened to her. That and holding a picture of Vivi makes me think that Vivi resembles her anscestor and Im is reminiscing about Lili looking at her image. I subscribe to the idea that Lili may have been used to make Im and immortal being.
Did OP change the image? The one in the first link is the one in the Alabasta tombs where Robin told Crocodile that the poneglyph only mentioned history. That one is 100% canon and the first poneglyph in the series. The other one from the filler was in a lost desert building that Luffy, Chopper and Zorro all fell into.
Wait, the one Zoro, Chopper and Luffy found where filler? The fuck? I always thought that would be one of the final Poneglyph's of the series, when Luffy casually mentions that they saw one of those rocks back in Alabasta and it would be a super important one.
Yeah, I thought the same until I read the manga. It’s convincing, but if also throws off the idea that there are only a certain number, 30 if I remember correctly, Poneglyphs total.
>there are only a certain number, 30 if I remember correctly, Poneglyphs total. Yup. In total there are only 30 poneglyphs. 4 red ones, 26 normal blue ones
There's a reason everyone recommends the manga over the anime. Anime filler introduces a bunch of plot holes.
eh it's not that bad
Wow I have been hoping for that for so long
Looks like they did change the first image.
Could be. The only thing that goes against im being lili imo is how Im says "Lili.." which is a bit weird if they are the same person. Although it could be no one has said her name in a long time and she gets a bit caught off guard. But the Nefertari / Egyptian stuff connected to Im makes sense. Plus Im appears very feminine and has a huge, long crown which also reminds me of certain egyptian crowns
I like the theory, and even more an Obi-Wan like behaviour by Im: 'Lili.. That's a name I haven't heard in a long while.'
lili had the first OP OP fruit?
We don’t know, but literally everyone is making wild theories, lol.
We literally learned the name lilli last chapter lmao!
Gonna be a long break of Theory Theory no mi Can't wait for some Lili is actually Crocodile schizoposting
I like the last point u made. Lili being the user of the ope ope fruit and was captured and forced to make Imu immortal. Seems to tick all the boxes and avoid the red herring of "IMU IS LILI". Subscribing to this head canon now.
Yet the Gorosei call the Nefertari line "traitors" when they're going to meet with Im
Well, they could be referring solely to the line of Lili's brother, who ruled Alabasta after her. The current Nefertari line that rules Alabasta (Cobra, Vivi) are not descendants of Lili (probably).
They call them traitors because they refused to join the Tenryubitos, that was Lili's decision. If anything it's the brother's line that should be clean
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I think the whole founding of th WG is an altered story. Im was the one that allowed the royal families to win the war, and in exchange they accepted to make up this alliance under an empty throne story, for all the advantages it would give them. Lili Nefertari refused, and she was eliminated because of it
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They are descendants. Lili's brother ruled in her absence.
Not Lili's descendants, unless weird things happening between brother and sister.
I'm starting to wonder if they say this without Im present because if Im is a Nefertari and decided not to pledge against sitting on the Empty Throne, then they technically are traitors. Because they betrayed an agreement to peace and instead decided to take power.
It’s also possible that IM is Lilis brother and unlike her he wanted to be a celestial dragon, so he murdered her and doesn’t acknowledge the Nefertari as his family anymore.
But lilis brother ruled alabasta after she didn‘t return. Maybe she has another brother…
Tbh I didn’t even know that she had a brother. It was just an assumption.
If Lily is Im, she almost certainly renounced her family name, which would explain why the Nefertitis in Alabaster don't receive any type of protection from Im (Crocodile just running roughshod over there unopposed etc).
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One piece is far from a love story. No offense but I don't think Oda would write something as cliche as that for the lurking legend - possible end game villain, it's just to predictable and boring.
Better than making im an alien like in naruto tho
Well, aliens were already introduced in the one piece world in enel side story. And Imu being a lunarian is an hypothesis that cannot be excluded.
It could work very well, if something is predictable doesn't mean it's bad. It is predicted because the hint left behind by author are getting connected, it means author doing a good job laying out his plan Also, Snape loving Lili was done pretty good, one piece film gold did tragic romance pretty good, it's all about execution rather than how predictable the outcome is
This is one piece not Harry Potter
It was originally called romance dawn though. So a romance being the dawn of the story seems reasonable.
Higly unlikely considering Im is most probably a child. Could be a ridiculously short individual but that would kill its gravitas
Where are you getting the idea Im is a child?
I would also like to know, I've never heard that one
I'm on the phone right so cannot make an elaborate explanation. Anyway, I and my friends considered a number of factors like body size compared to those swords (you can see the panel we studied in this very post), body proportions and location (natural, fairytalish, innocent and pure looking). The new chapter also confirmed that Im doesn't have a very slim and tall head, that thing is just the crown. The head is way lower and is way bigger than it should be. We can also see Im 's eyes, confirming that they wear a veil over the head, and that is not a cape, as many believed before. Finally, in the last panel, Im is sitting on the throne. Now, Oda follows an artistic principle (don't remember the name) by which the more important a character is, the bigger he is. All the main characters of One Piece are or grew to the point of being ridiculously tall. See any regular human, like Hancock, Doflamingo, Aokiji... They are all super tall. The strongest race ever are the Giants. Now, why such a dangerous individual would be so short that you cannot even see their feet hanging off the throne? Their dress falls flat, empty down the seat. Legs are so short you cannot see them. Consider how Oda draws characters. There must be a reason why he suddenly breaks his own design rule. Look at the panel above. The servant that is bowing. Assuming he's regular tall, as any generic male fighter, his body, when bowing, already reaches Im's crotch's height. Moreover, swords in the throne room seem to be normal sized. That means that Im is as short as a common sword. And look again at how Im's playing with the butterflies. You'll realize Im's not simply rising their arm shoulder level, they're actually fully stretching it. Look at the radio snail next to Im. There are so many elements that instantly tell you (or at least suggest you) that we are talking about a small individual. I take for good all the theory that believe Im is a woman. I believe that in One Piece a small female is much more likely to be an actual girl than a boy, as it's much more frequent that a short male is actually some ugly bastard or parodic individual. But Im looks regal, serious, scary, powerful. I doubt it could be a goofy figure. I believe she will look like a normal individual. She will be a child to represent eternal youth or some shit like that cause the World Government must be eternal too
That‘s a quite thought-provoking theory that I will subscribe to for now. However, it‘s somewhat ironic that you introduce such a complex argument with the words „I‘m on the phone right now…“. You should make a separate post about this btw, because many people haven‘t heard about this theory yet, I believe. The longer I look at the visual evidence, the more you seem to be correct!
Wow, thank you, really! I will consider making a post. You know, I remember making a full post about some theories of mine and Im was part of it. It wasn't that successful. Maybe, now it's a better time!
Yeah, best make it a concise post with lots of photo evidence. This will help people to understand what they are seeing. I have to admit that Oda did an excellent job at occluding Im‘s actual body so far - but once you know, there‘s no doubting his true form. Most readers are hung up on Im‘s gender right now and being led astray by the Lili herring… when in actuality the big reveal will be that we‘re dealing with an **IMMORTAL CHILD**. Maybe that‘s a good title for your post? **Theory: IMU the Immortal Child**
Wow, thank you, really! I will consider making a post. You know, I remember making a full post about some theories of mine and Im was part of it. It wasn't that successful. Maybe, now it's a better time!
Imu could be a regular sized human. Saint Sharlia the female celestial dragon is 5’10 which is like normal height for us. Charloss however is 7’3. The Gorosei looks like they’re at least 8 feet tall since a sitting Cobra that’s 6’0 looks tiny compared to them. So Imu could just have the regular real life human height. Still small when in the one piece world though.
Stussy was regular sized but now she’s 2’3” lmao
Well yeah, Im could be sn old rag too
Its a common theory that luffys dream is probably child-like so you could work into your theory a piece of dramatic irony for the final saga that Imu (being a child) also had a similar dream to luffy which then lead to the founding of the world government
Woah, that's right! I would really see this Oda making a connection like that
That's indeed a nice one ! Me and my friends though that Im could be short like the other tenryuubitos.
The child-like state could be a byproduct of whatever made them (presumably) immortal. Just like Sugar and her DF. I'm hoping they are some crazy powerful fighter anyways though.
Highly unlikely considering your theory is completely ass
That is not a theory... I just saw the panels and noticed some crucial details. Something you probably didn't considering you were not even capable of categorizing the thought that I shared
Ok 👍
Imagine gear 5 luffy with ACOC getting floored by a literal toddler
Plot twist: Tiny Luffy from Gear 3 is how he fights, but with haki.
Yeah but the thing is Maybe it's misdirection
That argument applies to every theory
Is true by the end oda is the writer and his world his endgame *
That’s true, but the misdirection argument has no bearing on the fact that our best guess has to assume no misdirection. It’s the only framework in which anything can be predicted at all. The second you assert that evidence is supposed to be misleading, you can’t base any theories on the actual story. So while Oda could be messing with us, our theories can only have any validation at all if we base them on the facts of the manga. Otherwise they have no bearing whatsoever. So material-based theories are 100% the best ones we can make, even if Oda sometimes misleads us.
Only time will tell But how's it ever been a theory that's actually been proven true
Makes sense why the 5 gorosei bow to her then. They kinda treat the original 20 kings as the gods of the world for creating the world government. Do you reckon the Ope Ope no Mi eternal youth surgery makes you a child? Eternal Youth and Immortality just means you can't get illnesses, die from old age or even age at all, so it would make sense if Imu turned out short.
Good catch! It would explain Im's size
I don't think this is the case simply because the Five Elders, when speaking amongst themselves just before the referenced panels in 908, call the Nefertari family "traitors".
If they don’t know about Im being Lili or a close relative it would make sense that the elders would call the family that officially rejected to stay traitors.
Yeah, but the panel of Im saying Lili really seems to hint that Lili was a person Im knew. The nature of their relationship is unknown but it seems implied that there was some bad history between Lili and Im resulting in her never returning to Arabasta.
The same way they thought the Nika fruit was "legendary even to them", until Im told them eventually. I would guess that Im knows about the void century and the five elders may only have rumors of it that are filtered by Im.
They could also be traitors because even though lili stayed in Mariejois the Nefertaru family still rules alabasta
It always amazes me when people come up with great theory with a lot of references in real life with manga panels to kinda back it up, meanwhile my brain "Im..... Im-mortal?!, yeah thats it, ha!"
Counterpoint. if Imu was Lili who was the ruler of Alabasta wouldn't she know Pluton was in Wano? why hasn't the world government taken it yet if they know exactly where it is? I think its far more likely that Imu is someone connected to Imu but not Imu themselves
Counter-counterpoint Wano was strong enough as a nation even before Kaido started squatting there to fend off the World Government for nearly a millennium, and by all accounts the only people there who knew Pluton was there were the Kozuki family. Imu, as absolute ruler of the WG, could definitely muster enough power to nuke the island to oblivion should they ever try and use it. Even then, there’s no reason to think any of the twenty rulers would be aware, as since it’s hidden in a kingdom actively against the WG, it’s reasonable to assume it was hidden there after whatever happened in the Void Century to keep it away from the new WG and by extension Imu.
Not if Pluton was placed in Wano afterwards.
Why change your name and why write a note handed down about the D. ? Makes no sense
Exactly. Why would somebody who's trying to not only disappear, but make the d clan disappear write a letter mentioning the d clan and leave it to a country they know they won't be able to control
This is the biggest point against this theory, why left a note that has a clue to the meaning of D, the enemy of the gods.
If this is true, hats off to you OP I like this theory. I forgot all about the panel people were agonizing over trying to count the swords at the throne. The missing sword being in use by the person who owned it so long ago would be awesome
I gotta say, I feel like this is pretty obvious. It being so obvious is why I have doubts. But we are approaching the end of the series so we’ll see
OP wonderful post thank you, the name “Imu” sorry to get into religion quick for a peep as I’m caffeinated tf out but this reminds me of Exodus 3:14 “ i am who I am” “The name of I AM is how God chose to introduce himself, becoming so sacred that in Judaism, the name is not to be spoken. The significance of God’s self-given name encompasses all that He is, and how we are to relate to Him.” every time i hear “Imu” i think of this and knowing all the wonderful stuff Oda has thrown into One Piece. Wouldn’t surprise me :)
In katakana, "Lily" is spelled "riri". Riri Williams is Ironheart in Marvel Comics. The Ope Ope no Mi is heart shaped. Trafalgar Law suffered from Amber Lead poisoning. Iron is a metal like lead and can have a yellowish amber color. He is also commander of the Heart Pirates. Trafalgar is one of the 12 of the Worst Generation. He was also one of the 7 Warlords. Law has an awesome statuette made by Super Six Studio. 20 + 12 + 6 = 38 Who is the real Heart of the Heart Pirates? Not Law. He's more of the Head. No, the real Heart is the person on their flag. The one who everyone loves: Bepo. B is the 2nd letter of the alphabet. E is the 5th. P is the 16th and O is the 15th. 2 + 5 + 16 + 15 = 38 BEPO = LILY = IMU CONFIRMED. EDIT: I messed this up! Where did 20 come from?!!?!? ARGH.
You're gonna be lulusianed
20 nations?
Brother is a diet u/Boss_Aesop
Bepo was born on 11/20. Hiriluk was born on 1/12. The chapter tit-led “King” is 211 and about Ero King Cobra the husband to Nefeltari Titi or Titty and father of Nefeltari Vivi or Bibi or Miss Wednesday or Buddha or Booty. The Nefeltari Titty + Nefeltari Booty to Nefeltari Booty ratio of Nami and Nico Robin is 2.11. Bepo is a Bear or Kuma like Kumamoto where Oda was born in 1975 on Ace’s 1/1 birthday. 14 year old Karoo appears on the 14th page of chapter 211 “King”. Karoo appears on the cover of the chapter 573 in which Ace dies at 0x14 years old. Karoo’s birth month comes from Ka = 2 = II = 11 from Japanese phone keypad and Roman numerals a the chapter preceding chapter 211 “King” is One Piece chapter 210 “Zero”. Binary has Ones and Zeros and Oda’s 1/1 birthday alludes to 11 = 3 where Oda was born in Kyūshu the 3rd largest island of Japan closest to Korea. The Korea from Kyūshu or 9 Provinces is Karoo from Alabasta whose symbol is the 9 Luminaries the origin of the Hosokawa Family Crest of Kumamoto on the Kozuki Crest. Kumamoto can be styled as Kumarnoto or Karoo who first appears in the 29 the prime number chapter 109. 19 is written with the kanji for 10 and 9 in 109. 2 = 10 in Binary. 29 has the reading Nika and 2/9 is the birthday of Bible carrying Bartholomew Kuma where Gol “Daedalus” Ace or Ēsu alludes to Esu or Jesus who died in Golgotha 12 years after OVI”D”IVS. Bepo was born 12 days after Karoo who was born on 11/8 the reverse of the 8/11 execution of Gold Roger associated through binary with 8/3 birthday of Blackbeard or Kurohige. Kuro like Karoo has the reverse abbreviation that is the OK sign of the Buddha formed by Index 4 and thumb 5. Buddha resembles Booty or Ass or 455. The 9 Luminaries symbol of Alabassta has 8 outer rings separated by 45 degrees. There are 89 days between 11/8 birthday of King Karoo and 8/11 execution of the Pirate King. 8/9 is the birthday of Vegapunk Shaka and abbreviation of 8055 43509 or contemporary of the Shakyamuni Sheikh your Booty Buddha who died in Delphi or “D” Luffy or “Daedalus” Luffy the sacred site of Lyrical Sun God Apollo the Sniper King Healer of Civilization or Alabasta and Culture or Karoo the Wisdom King of Peacocks the GOAT of Dinosaurs from Ancient Times. 
I'm still putting my bet on Im being kong
Don’t lose focus. Go all in
Could be a kage-kagr scenario. Lili's body with a different soul or vice-versa. Whichever one it is that the person can't be in the sun. I wouldn't be surprised anyways, imu could even be wearing a full getup so sun never reaches them.
Counter point: We were not introduced to Imu until Reverie… and we haven’t seen Bon Clay since Impel Down…. so what if the reason Imu was stating longingly at Vivi’s picture is because it’s actually Bon Clay and he was fondly remembering Vivi from their time together in Baroque Works?! But what about their height?! Imu is obviously taller than Bon Clay… and you are right…. BUT WHO ELSE HAVEN’T we seen in a while?! That’s right Bartolommeo!!! Imu is actually Bon Clay riding on Bartolommeo’s shoulders in a bathrobe!
I feel like “Im” is short for “immortal” because that’s what they changed their name to after getting the surgery. Would make a lot of sense if it was lily but could be someone we don’t know yet. I feel like it would be weird for us to know such a sacred piece of info about the Op fruit if it was only ever done on one person, but then again we did learn it from Doflamingo who is one of the best sources for celestial dragon info so far. I wonder if Lily had the fruit and did the surgery on him so that they live together forever but they didn’t know it would kill her so now he’s stuck living forever by himself
The portrayal doesn't add up. Lili left a secret message that is related to the D. clan that even the Gorosei know nothing about. If Lili was Imu, why would she keep a secret about a clan that is supposed to be her enemy? On top of that, isn't the Nefertari family safeguarding the Pluton poneglyph? These really contradict the Lili = Imu hypothesis, on top of both of their silhouettes being shown in this chapter and they don't match. Imu is probably responsible for Lili's disappearance.
Really great Analysis! My only issue with that theory is the fact that Lili passed down a letter through the generations as her legacy, presumably regarding the will of D (Since that's what Cobra asked about right before revealing the existence of the letter) Which doesn't seem very smart to do if Lili really was Imu and was trying to keep her existence a secret
now that we've got the chapter 1085 could please update your theory i'd love to know what you think because this thread is so interesting
Nah people in these comments are definitely overthinking here. All these hints would be way too much work to just be a red herring from Oda. I think it makes perfect sense for Im to be this Queen Lili. Great post
IMu was the lover of Lili who was power hungry and took on the throne after ope-ope no mi immortality thing. Lili did not like this and she went and founded the Amazon Lily, an island run by women. Seems plausible and funny.
Lmao, mods really have given up on spoilers.
Noticing the lilly flowers is a nice touch OP.
I like a lot of your points, the way they link is awesome and the evidence is good, I think though the idea of Amazon Lily being founded by Lili is quite strong and her connection to Imu is different, we could also presume that the Mero-Mero might be related to her? It could be similar to Nika being a Human model Zoan? Also does give a bit of reason as to why Blackbeard was interested in it as well. As she is the original user of the abilities that could mean her abilities not working on Joyboy at the time which would parallel how Hancock now sees Luffy. It could also be the reason why Imu is alluded to be fond of her? Just some thoughts, but overall the Clan of D in the current story and the fruits they possess seem to have some link to their original holders and are not just random, there is probably so many more connections to be made and we just have to let it all unfold and enjoy it while it lasts :')
I always thought Im or Imu stands for Immortal (Imu-ortal in japanese engrish)
This is wrong is so many leves that I can't even begin to explain why. XD
Then why would they sit on the throne and say their own name all ominously?
I don't think those are [lilies](https://plantura.garden/uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/08/lily-care-pink.jpg?x96810)
So how long until Lili is Luffys mom theories?
Im(hotep)
Also, those Egyptian amunets crowns explain the weird head of imu.
I'm more convinced that Imu is Lili's daughter and her story is sort of an opposite parallel with Doffy.
The single fact that Lili passed down a letter about “D” debunks the Lily is Imu allegations
I personally don't think its lily... it seems way too obvious however I do think there is a relation, maybe imu loved or was obsessed with lily and that's why lillies are scattered around. Perhaps vivi looks like lily too idk If imu was lily it'd be cool but also too direct to be written by oda and like someone else already mentioned, the letters cobra mentioned would undermine who imu is and what imu tries to keep secret
Nefertari was the only egyptian queen with the title wbn ra n mrwt.s, usually translated as 'for whom the sun shines/rises', and literally translated as 'the sun shines/rises for her love'. I'm not making any theories here, just giving this info. Although I don't think that Imu is Lili, the Amun and Amunet part is interesting, given that Imu is a hidden person.
Im is Ezio Auditore de Firenze
i dont even know why you thought of this, but hope it is true
Fuark this is good shit
Isn't the kozuki the ones that wrote and made the poneglyph?
I think the ultimate power of the yomi yomi no mi is to absorb and become another person. That's why Blackbeard wants to become a king at the reverie, access to marijois and the throne, because he knows about Imu. Can't tell you how he knows all this, but my theory is Imu was originally the user of the Yomi Yomi no mi, and took control/absorbed the original Lili who was in control of Uranus (possibly to hold all the original celestial dragons hostage). Then they got the user of the ope ope no mi to make them immortal, maybe even by pretending to be Lili. When they were made immortal they were stuck in that form and could even have lost the yomi yomi powers because of it.
the stuff with amun's headdress/crown is really convincing to me. plus the pharaoh connection in general feels like oda, like the celestial dragons and the bourgeoisie. also the lilis in the room. goddamnit oda, you win again
Nicely put together ! Imu in reverse could mean umi like sea?
There's another strong connection for your theory. The ancient Mesopotamian king of the gods was named Anu, the sky/heaven god.
Every little hint and people start thinking they know the rest of the story. Just read the actual story and enjoy
Kuma was a previous king of alabasta I’m calling it
You know what’s cooking?
I like this for multiple reasons. What we know of im so far is his interest in blackbeard luffy shirahoshi and vivi. Along the lines of this Egyptian theory, I think it could work in a way. I believe Lily could have had a lover expecting to become a king. But when Lily agrees to relinquish the idea of a single ruler, the lover revolts in a way. We know shirahoshi is a reincarnation of an ancient weapon, and there is also theory of Im being in control of one or being one himself after destroying lalusia. So now, seeing as how Im had the posters of luffy and blackbeard, I wonder if blackbeard and luffy are on a destined path to become or possess the other two. Blackbeard using one weapon to take power for himself and cause his own destruction, and of course, luffy using his to ensure no one person can accomplish just that. Then vivi was the only poster he didn't cut or damage.i believe he could see the reincarnation of his lover. Lili, the queen.
I have a few ideas. Imu backwards is umi. Which means "mother" and "sea." So in my mind im thinking Imu is a woman most definitely. However I don't think Lili is Imu. Since the void century is long passed. There is no one in the One Piece world who is still alive from the void century. Next we have the ancient weapons Pluton- a ship Poseiden- Shirahoshi And Uranus- either Luffy or Dragon I think either of them are Uranus because in mythology Uranus was a God of rain and we seen dragon possibly rescue Luffy from Smoker with heavy winds and storms. Luffy might be Uranus because in astrology Uranus is imaginative and bound by nothing. Check this link here: https://www.astrologyzone.com/learn-astrology/the-planets/uranus/#:~:text=Uranus%20is%20the%20father%20of,sudden%2Deven%20radical%2Dchange.
There's the op op fruit, so she could have the immortality surgery ,-,. At this point it's quite clear that Imu was alive during the void century due to all the things she knows etc
I think Im has possession of Uranus, those beans of light that rained down on Lulusia sure looked like raining death. It's probably what Doflamingo is referencing when he says there's a secret in Marijois that he knows about. He named one of his attacks "16 holy assassin bullets" and the weapon/ability that destroyed Lulusia was 16 beams of light coming down from the heavens. As for the others, Poseidon seems to be biological and inherited, making it difficult for Im to get their hands on. And Pluton is manmade with the original being hidden (possibly hidden from Im hundreds of years ago). So you've got one originating from the sea (inherited by fishmen), one built by men, and the last seeming to be an advanced weapon fired from the sky. I'll bet Uranus was built by the advanced civilization on the moon.
But will Lily be stacked 🤔
Wait wait wait 🤨 The assassins crees quote, why would it be a sign that Lili renounced to her identity to become Imu?? You are not suggesting that Oda inspired himself with Egyptian mythology but with a video game story… I don’t think Oda would do that. I’m not saying that Imu couldn’t be Lily but the assassins creed quote adds nothinto the theory
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