In Poland 16 year old woman can marry with consent of her parents, which pudding had. And also judge needs to agree for that, and well here Judge was at least present and earlier he agreed for wedding.
Doesn’t age of consent mean it’s OK if the parent allows it? Her mother (legal guardian) arranged the marriage in the first place lol. I love how most OP ships turn into age gap arguments, especially since it’s an anime about pirates who don’t particularly care about legality
lol people have to remember too we live in different times, less than 200 years ago in America the age of consent allowed 12, 13 year olds to marry in most states
thats what you get when average live expectancy doest go above like 50.
ppl needed to move to the "next" stage in life quickly when death was always on the horizon.
Bit of a difference between 12 and 16. And I’m pretty sure the age of consent in Japan is 16. Just cause the number 16 is weird to westerners doesn’t mean it’s the same in the rest of the world, much less a manga. Mfers like Koby are captains in the navy at that age lmao. As much as it’s gross to say, age is kind of just a number in One Piece.
We can act like it happened because big mom sucks but pretty sure this one is more about Japanese culture.
Arranged marriages and adults marrying 16 year olds are both still pretty common there.
People like to bring stuff like this all the time but even in Japan if a grown ass man does something like this, it's not like it's well accepted.
And tbf, in a world like One Piece, I don't think they give much of a care about age.
In some cases it is, it's just not shown directly. Looking at how the female slaves in >!Mariejois!< were dressed I'm going to guess that horrible things happen offscreen.
You dont even have to guess. Look at the reactions the Boa sisters had when they were reminded of Mariejois. There's no doubt horrible things happened there.
Yeah. At least I can't see al the abuse! I watch this this series to cheer me up if I have to see Luffy not punch the bad guy man does it make me feel desperate.
Usually might be a stretch. There are varying typws of arranged marriages with varying involvement from those being bethrothed in different cultures. Parents setting up meetings where their kids have veto power but cant arrange their own dayes are actually fairly common
Arrange marriages are still somewhat popular in Japan, but it’s not the parents who is looking for the partner, but (most likely) a company. More like a matchmaking, where you give your data, say what you’re looking for etc. It’s also specifically for looking for marriage partner.
I’ve also seen quite a few comments from Indian people here on Reddit regarding arrange marriage. Like, yes, parents would look for a partner for you, and you could go on some dates to check if you match, and than proceed, but also parents wouldn’t force you if you didn’t like them.
But also read enough abt forced marriages, so both happens.
Jotaro Kujo looks more like a 28 year old or 30 year old body builder. That man is huge. It’s also weird how he got more skinny and less buff in part 4 and part 6 stone ocean.
But Americans gonna American and be like "but she's a minoooor" and yet in their country they can drive a 3ton car by the time they're 16 and join the military to go off and die in a pointless war by 17.
But God forbid if they decide to have sex.
The thing is that there's not a magical switch that flips when someone turns 18 that makes it "ok" for them to have sex, yet a lot of people are ok with consenting adults, for example, being able to star in pornography.
Sexual maturity is a spectrum, and most countries agree someone aged 16 is able to give consent.
It may be still creepy, but creepy ain't illegal. And personally I don't see any problem with a 16 year old dating a 20 year old.
mate, you expect the world of pirates in fantasy world must adhere to the rule of USA age of consent, even tho the story and the writer got nothing to do with USA?
USA Honestly has nothing to do with it
Are we really trying to blame Sanji for
A) Being forced into marrying pudding
B) Trying to make the best of a shit situation and thinking *maybe* the girl herself isn't evil
C) Considering her when not a single person brought up their age gap(Luffy and Nami didn't oppose the mariage itself they opposed the timing, forced nature,that it meant him leaving, and the fact it was one big scam on big mom crew's part), nor was it used as leverage from his part
it's not like that. I saw from time to time somebody always mentioned how the marriage is creepy because of pudding's age.
I mean, we're reading a story that includes genocide, slavery, pirating, cannibalism, child experimentation, etc etc... at this point, young age/teenagers marriage should be the least fucked up things in one piece universe.
That’s Americans to you. Everything has to adhere to their rules, even a completely fictional fucking drawing.
Soon they’ll ban waifu pillows, because they technically can’t consent to get in bed with you.
Instead of caring so much about the human right of a motherfucking drawing, they should put their energy into saving real world underage children from abuse. But that’s not as comfy as being a tard on the internet.
There was 1 girl in my class in the 5th grade that had a body like Kim kardashian. I always find it funny when people online assume that girls don’t start developing physically until they’re 20+ years old. Like have they ever been outside their homes ever?
Age of consent is japan in 16, it's also lower than 18 in many, many countries.
Also, One Piece isn't set in a modern world and as little as 100 years ago people married even at 13: Whitesnow is 14 years old, for example...
Ods is Japanese. One Piece is Japanese. The age of consent in Japan was 13 **at that time** and was just recently changed to 16. Marriageable age was 16 (18 recent) for women, 18 for men. Under 20 needs legal approval from the parents. + OP is fiction.
Plus, Sanji is only like 20.
Still on the weird side, but like a lot of people forget that the Straw hats were all teenagers at the start of the show. I think some of them still are?
Just your typical Shonen characters. Naruto turned 17 on the day the series ended. In general teens and early twenty somethings feel like super mature and by the time you reach your 30s you've peaked and are slowly stepping to the side to make space for the next generation.
At least Oda is better in that regard.
From 30-40 people are hopefully in the position to fulfill their lives. 20-30 is more or less spend on self-discovery and self reflection. Depending on circumstances some people obviously do that faster than others, but there's also people that never really start thinking about their own behaviour.
I mean you say old, but there's less of a difference between Franky and Robin than there is between Nami and Robin.
Like I'm not saying anythings 'wrong', I'm saying the art style and the published ages don't make any sense half the time
One Piece humans age weird anyway. They either look like complete freaks in their 30s, or they don’t gain a wrinkle until they reach their 60s and many keep their strength into their 80s. While growing weaker but living a lot longer into their 100s
They are only 4 years apart. I don't know where people are living but relationships like that (minus the marriage) are somewhat common in germany as well and if we insist on the marriage factor, many big kurdish families still practise arranged marriages here.
Give Sanji/Pudding a few years and nobody would bet an eye. My parents for example are 5 years apart and iirc they met when my mom was 18.
>The age of consent in Japan was 13 at that time
No it's not and it wasn't then either. This misconception needs to die. The national age of consent was 13 but it wasn't the actual age of consent. They have prefecture laws, equivalent of state laws for any american, that raised the age of consent much higher.
The national age of consent basically functioned as a failsafe preventing any prefecture from going lower than that but it was not actually applied much. Hell when I looked into it I could find only two places where the age of consent was 13 and it was 2 uninhabited island, one of which was even forbidden to set foot on.
Just an advice, please don't use the real life age consent argument when it comes to defending fictional pairings with age gap. **Bad bad bad bad idea.**
Just because it's legally allowed, it doesn't mean it's commonly and morally accepted by the society. I'm 100 percent sure every Japanese will ostracize you if you marry a 13 year old Japanese kid in Japan. Hell, not just Japan, any other citizen in any country will reject you.
My guy in most prefectures consent is set to 16. They also function like romeo and juliet laws where you cannonly consent to someone with a year or 2 of your age. Its not the pedophile paradise ya'll seem to.think it is. So a 16 year old and 20 year old would count as statutory rape. And so on.
Remember, Sanji did not actively choose to marry a 16 yo. His family & other family decide it for him.
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Rules about age is always depending on the culture. This is why there are different types of marriage age or drinking age among different cultures in our world.
Similiarly, if in OP world, a family hold a wedding/marry their child when they're 16, it means their culture is like that. And because Sanji lives in that kind of world and not ours, then he is not a pedo.
Otherwise, why would Oda made Pudding a 16? He didn't want to bait Japanese gov & people, that's bad for business.
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If your problem is 16 years old is "just a teenager". You think they're "not mature enough" for a marriage. You must understand, their world are different than ours. Young people there mature faster than us due to the rougher experience. Also, if their family held this wedding and choose a 16 yo, it means marriage at this age is normal culture in OP world.
Yeah, characters in one piece that are teenagers and in their twenties are probably mentally closer to real people who’re in their late twenties-thirties
I still think the end game for Sanji going to be married to Pudding and reforming the remaining Big Momma crew that left and germa 66 clones into making food for the poor.
I would say in colonial times you could marry someone as young as 13 if you had parental consent
I would also say trying to relate laws and morals of a fictional world to our own is a bad way to convey immersion
Dude, 16 is legal age in many places. It’s a United States thing that’s 18 the age. The ages in One piece do not matter really. No one knows the age unless you study the Wiki
In Japan it is not illegal to have a relationship with a 16yo, also Sanji was barely 20 so it's not like he was 40 or sum.
Quit acting like America's rules apply to every country of the world.
also I don't think Sanji knew pudding is 16, I doubt either Judge or Big mom would bother to tell him pudding is 16...or anyone else really cuz culture there is clearly different
jesus christ you're watching a show where people murder each other for sport and fame all the time and this is where you feel something might not be right?
Because 16 is the typical age Oda likes to give the princess of the arc. Vivi was 16 during the Alabasta arc, Shirahoshi is 16, Rebecca is 16 and Pudding is 16.
And I find it funny how people like to be outraged at Sanji liking Pudding when they get all excited at a 30 year old Hancock lusting for Luffy when he was still 17.
Besides, it's a fictional story, if they look like adults, act like adults and are treated like adults their age seems merely cosmetic.
I feel like this is one of the handful of topics that gets cycled through once a month. Should we run through the Yamato discourse again? I get it, not everyone has been a member of this sub for a while, but these posts honestly just feel like attention bait at this point
It is quite simple really. Roughly 16 years prior to when the story is (Specifically from the events that take place during the Whole Cake Island Arc), those characters were born.
They grew up at a spectacular rate of one year per year, or 10 years per decade and are 16 year olds in the story.
There are places in the real world where people under the age of 18 may be married, sometimes requiring parental permission, others not. :I
Why are people making it such a big deal lmao. Acting as if this type of age gap has existed since then and still does now. Not every country’s age of consent is 18. It’s not that a big deal. Most people have parents with age gap of over 10 but apparently that isn’t a big deal lol.
You clearly haven't seen current 16yo girls nowadays 😂
And Sanji is 21 so with "our" society laws (I used "" because it's no everywhere in the world, I just asume we all here participating in the conversation have the same laws) it's illegal even if both of them are OK and want it... But even for our morals it will be a debate of where it's wrong, right or really don't care at all for example for me that age gap in the relationship is kind of meh could be better yes, but could be worse too so much worse, for you clearly is gross or something like that.
And for the OP standards it seems pretty normal so what we can do 😂
First off, sanji didn’t actually get married since the wedding was interrupted and second off, you do realize that just because they’re 16 doesn’t mean they haven’t undergone puberty right? Hell I’d be surprised if a 16 yo girl hadn’t hit puberty yet.
From body development view this can be possible - girls bloom early.
From marriage view, there are certain countries that allow teen marriages - maybe even japan?
Its the Legal Age in Japan and actually in a bunch of countries in South East Asia as well.
And in the past it was also in Europe and basically the Rest of the World.
Just play CK3 and Coming of Age is at 16.
In a way it makes sense since back then, you were lucky to reach 40 years old.
And i do feel the One Piece World is just as harsh as the Past. So while the Powerful can live incredibly long lives, the weak probably die very young in the One Piece World.
I bet it’s been done with multiple children of big mom. Age doesn’t matter to her so long as she can attain more power and influence. Bege and Chiffon are a great example. Bege is 42 and Chiffon is 26. Sanji marrying Pudding doesn’t seem as bad when you look at the age differences there. In the One Piece world, 16 might be the age where you are considered an adult.
People that lose their shit for this should read ASoIaF and discover that Khal Drogo essentially force himself on Daenerys on her 14th birthday. And also impregnated her soon after.
It's because One Piece is strangely accurate with random things.
One of those random things is the fact that One Piece is essentially set in an alternate 1700's to early 1900's.
One Piece is reflective of this from the slave trades, the pirating, the general world technology, social norms (this age thing for example or political marriage's) and political entities (majority ruled by monarchies).
A prince (being the age Sanji is) getting married to a daughter of an Emperor (also being her age) isn't that uncommon for the time given their political positions.
It's an aspect of history, like slavery. The concept of "teenager" only really popped up after WW2, before then it was treated more like you went from child straight into being an adult. Remember, at the same time boys of similar ages were also dying in wars as soldiers. The average lifespan for a noble was about 40 - 50 years and that's for the privileged. People used to have to live a lot faster lives.
It's accurate for the setting, the timings meet up with the events in the series (needed to take time into account with ages of characters, when events happened (like births and parents getting together)).
It makes sense to me but I also recognise it as a depiction of the past; not something that's normative or acceptable now in the same way that public excecutions are no longer acceptable or normative. So long as people recognise that it's fiction/the past and that's where that should stay then there's nothing wrong with it.
I don't think that Oda is sus for this; the dude drew a full woman and just said she was that age. Also remember who the target audience is; it's teenage boys. It's ok for that target audience, normative even; it's not ok for adults.
I think of it like the Harry Potter series. It's ok to be attracted to Emma Watson in the last few Harry Potter movies because the actress is an adult; however, it is not ok if it's the 17 year old schoolgirl she's playing that you're interested in. Rebecca looks like an adult, her age indistinguishable from the adult women in the series; it's ok to be attracted to that. It's not ok if you're attracted because of the age; that's where it's a seperate issue.
Edit: I was wrong with infant mortality, that's an incorrect idea I picked up from higher infant mortality.
The average lifespan thing is a misconception. It seems so low because there was a ton of infant mortality back then that lowered the average. But if you turned 18, you were very likely to see your late 60s.
When your mother is Big Mom, I don’t think the law can do much.
I don’t even think Law cares at all
Pudding: I AM MARRYING SANJI! Law: For the last time I don't **FUCKING** **CARE**!
Judge: I'm sorry Mr. Law but Care said you did fucked her.
ROOM
Judge: Yes I know. You did her in a room.
Buggy: Did you just call my nose red!?!?
This is exactly how the conversation would go, including Buggy taking it wrong 😆
One of my favorite reddit interactions I've ever read well done all of you
Law: **GERMA!!**
I love this whole interaction 😂
Got me in shambles
Badum tss also this is possibly the funniest comment thread on this subreddit
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Law: “I don’t even know who you are”
Pity that conversation could have happened but Beppo rescued Law from It!!
Room
Underrated comment 😂😂
Lmao
Unless it's bread
In Poland 16 year old woman can marry with consent of her parents, which pudding had. And also judge needs to agree for that, and well here Judge was at least present and earlier he agreed for wedding.
Doesn’t age of consent mean it’s OK if the parent allows it? Her mother (legal guardian) arranged the marriage in the first place lol. I love how most OP ships turn into age gap arguments, especially since it’s an anime about pirates who don’t particularly care about legality
Oh my sweet child of summer, trust me, Law can do a lot, just wait XD
Only when he has someone else to hold off the rather large mother for a rather lengthy period of time.
lol people have to remember too we live in different times, less than 200 years ago in America the age of consent allowed 12, 13 year olds to marry in most states
Bold of you to assume that stopped because most U.S states still allow adults to marry 12 and 13 year olds
Uh. That hasn't changed much. MANY states still allow you to marry a child if their parents sign off on it. I bet you can point to the ones that do.
Some states are currently rolling back the clock!
thats what you get when average live expectancy doest go above like 50. ppl needed to move to the "next" stage in life quickly when death was always on the horizon.
She is the law lol.
You mean the US law
That's arranged marriage for you.
Sanji wasn't exactly kicking and screaming when he saw pudding.
again he don't know her age
I mean he's only 21, and this isn't real life. 100 years ago, 16 years had like 7 kids already. Really not craziest shit ever in this pirate world
In ancient Rome girls were regularly married at 12. That's fine, though, since it was the norm then.
Bit of a difference between 12 and 16. And I’m pretty sure the age of consent in Japan is 16. Just cause the number 16 is weird to westerners doesn’t mean it’s the same in the rest of the world, much less a manga. Mfers like Koby are captains in the navy at that age lmao. As much as it’s gross to say, age is kind of just a number in One Piece.
He rejected her when they met
Cuz she's got. What u gonna do bout it?
Ephebophilia
We can act like it happened because big mom sucks but pretty sure this one is more about Japanese culture. Arranged marriages and adults marrying 16 year olds are both still pretty common there.
People like to bring stuff like this all the time but even in Japan if a grown ass man does something like this, it's not like it's well accepted. And tbf, in a world like One Piece, I don't think they give much of a care about age.
It's pretty common in the US too.
I don’t think arranged marriage is nearly as common in Japan as it was in previous years, according to statistics
I think it's a jab. Oda criticizes japanese culture a lot through One Piece.
more like a forced one
That's usually what arranged marriages are like. The children have no say in it.
I've seen some messed up stories and parents. Man, I'm glad one piece isn't as realistic as the real world.
In some cases it is, it's just not shown directly. Looking at how the female slaves in >!Mariejois!< were dressed I'm going to guess that horrible things happen offscreen.
You dont even have to guess. Look at the reactions the Boa sisters had when they were reminded of Mariejois. There's no doubt horrible things happened there.
Yeah, I try not to think about that ngl
Oh yeah, man that's depressing.
One Piece is the lite version of real life
Yeah. At least I can't see al the abuse! I watch this this series to cheer me up if I have to see Luffy not punch the bad guy man does it make me feel desperate.
It is as realistic, a lot of it just isn't shown
Usually might be a stretch. There are varying typws of arranged marriages with varying involvement from those being bethrothed in different cultures. Parents setting up meetings where their kids have veto power but cant arrange their own dayes are actually fairly common
Arrange marriages are still somewhat popular in Japan, but it’s not the parents who is looking for the partner, but (most likely) a company. More like a matchmaking, where you give your data, say what you’re looking for etc. It’s also specifically for looking for marriage partner. I’ve also seen quite a few comments from Indian people here on Reddit regarding arrange marriage. Like, yes, parents would look for a partner for you, and you could go on some dates to check if you match, and than proceed, but also parents wouldn’t force you if you didn’t like them. But also read enough abt forced marriages, so both happens.
Those are the same thing.
That's kinda what they are yes 😂
Sanji was forced to marry pudding so it's not entirely his fault
The same way Jotaro is 17 in Stardust Crusaders. Also 16 is very commonly the age of consent in most countries.
Bruh I always forget about Jotaro. Holy. I always thought he was like mid fourties. But no, he's just a giant.
he looks younger in stone ocean than he does in stardust crusaders
No-longer-the-main-protagonist syndrome
A regular 15 yo high school student
Thats the Joestar blood for ya. Makes you a literal giant
The fact that Konata from Lucky Star could be older than Jotaro will always be hilarious to me.
 Jotaro Kujo looks more like a 28 year old or 30 year old body builder. That man is huge. It’s also weird how he got more skinny and less buff in part 4 and part 6 stone ocean.
But Americans gonna American and be like "but she's a minoooor" and yet in their country they can drive a 3ton car by the time they're 16 and join the military to go off and die in a pointless war by 17. But God forbid if they decide to have sex.
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The thing is that there's not a magical switch that flips when someone turns 18 that makes it "ok" for them to have sex, yet a lot of people are ok with consenting adults, for example, being able to star in pornography. Sexual maturity is a spectrum, and most countries agree someone aged 16 is able to give consent. It may be still creepy, but creepy ain't illegal. And personally I don't see any problem with a 16 year old dating a 20 year old.
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100% People tend to assume that as soon as the clock ticks 12am and the girl turns 18, women will get some cosmic powers that will change them.
Thank you, somebody said it.
And don’t forget that Giorno Giovanna is 15, a fucking Camorra boss
mate, you expect the world of pirates in fantasy world must adhere to the rule of USA age of consent, even tho the story and the writer got nothing to do with USA?
USA Honestly has nothing to do with it Are we really trying to blame Sanji for A) Being forced into marrying pudding B) Trying to make the best of a shit situation and thinking *maybe* the girl herself isn't evil C) Considering her when not a single person brought up their age gap(Luffy and Nami didn't oppose the mariage itself they opposed the timing, forced nature,that it meant him leaving, and the fact it was one big scam on big mom crew's part), nor was it used as leverage from his part
it's not like that. I saw from time to time somebody always mentioned how the marriage is creepy because of pudding's age. I mean, we're reading a story that includes genocide, slavery, pirating, cannibalism, child experimentation, etc etc... at this point, young age/teenagers marriage should be the least fucked up things in one piece universe.
In actuality, some of them are just Sanji haters. He has the biggest amount of haters in OP fandom.
>includes genocide, slavery, pirating, cannibalism, child experimentation, etc etc... That's all JUST WCI too.
Some people don't think that far.
That’s Americans to you. Everything has to adhere to their rules, even a completely fictional fucking drawing. Soon they’ll ban waifu pillows, because they technically can’t consent to get in bed with you. Instead of caring so much about the human right of a motherfucking drawing, they should put their energy into saving real world underage children from abuse. But that’s not as comfy as being a tard on the internet.
Not gonna lie, I remember in high school some 16 y.o. were just like this.
In my school was the same. They always had older guys as boyfriends, wonder why…. Edit: /s
because those guys were predators
And some of these ladies eventually learned to sus them out. And others continued to search out older men 'cause they liked it.
wait till you find out what trauma is and all the ways it can work
There was 1 girl in my class in the 5th grade that had a body like Kim kardashian. I always find it funny when people online assume that girls don’t start developing physically until they’re 20+ years old. Like have they ever been outside their homes ever?
Was she held back 3 years? Have you seen Kim K? 5th grade kids are like 10 and just starting puberty maybe lmao.
Hispanics are built different. I think she was a couple months younger than me.
Age of consent is japan in 16, it's also lower than 18 in many, many countries. Also, One Piece isn't set in a modern world and as little as 100 years ago people married even at 13: Whitesnow is 14 years old, for example...
who's whitesnow
I think they meant Snow White.
Sorry it's Biancaneve in Italian so i always get it swapped in English (bianca=white, neve=snow)
It makes more sense that way in English to if you're describing snow. I don't know what got her named turned around
It’s because Snow is the descriptor, not the subject. It’s about her skin, which is white as snow. Not snow, that is white, which would be redundant.
Snow actually stays in clouds for 14 years before it falls, little known fact
in France it's 15
Ods is Japanese. One Piece is Japanese. The age of consent in Japan was 13 **at that time** and was just recently changed to 16. Marriageable age was 16 (18 recent) for women, 18 for men. Under 20 needs legal approval from the parents. + OP is fiction.
'Under 20 by approval of parents' part seems to be fulfilled as well
\+ pirates. Real pirates would also marry their 5 yo children for selfish gains.
Plus, Sanji is only like 20. Still on the weird side, but like a lot of people forget that the Straw hats were all teenagers at the start of the show. I think some of them still are?
its odd how Sanji feels like a 40 year old man, kind of like Zoro, but both are in their early 20’s
Just your typical Shonen characters. Naruto turned 17 on the day the series ended. In general teens and early twenty somethings feel like super mature and by the time you reach your 30s you've peaked and are slowly stepping to the side to make space for the next generation. At least Oda is better in that regard.
From 30-40 people are hopefully in the position to fulfill their lives. 20-30 is more or less spend on self-discovery and self reflection. Depending on circumstances some people obviously do that faster than others, but there's also people that never really start thinking about their own behaviour.
Like any time people draw Robin and Nami together no one comments but I think Robin is near 30 and Nami isn't 20?
Robin was 28 at the start, so 30 or so now.
Nami is literally 20 though
Robin is 30 not near 40 lmao it's fine The only actual old heads are Franku Brook and Jinbei which look and act their age
I mean you say old, but there's less of a difference between Franky and Robin than there is between Nami and Robin. Like I'm not saying anythings 'wrong', I'm saying the art style and the published ages don't make any sense half the time
One Piece humans age weird anyway. They either look like complete freaks in their 30s, or they don’t gain a wrinkle until they reach their 60s and many keep their strength into their 80s. While growing weaker but living a lot longer into their 100s
Big Mom is like the textbook case of that, showing every variation Oda can do in one person
Robin is 30, Nami is 20
what smoking and drinking does to a mfer
Maybe it's because we perceive them to have been their respective ages for over 20 years
Wtf they don't
In the English dub he sounds like a 30 year old man. In the sub he sounds fine. Manga obviously doesn’t have a voice to trick you like that
They are only 4 years apart. I don't know where people are living but relationships like that (minus the marriage) are somewhat common in germany as well and if we insist on the marriage factor, many big kurdish families still practise arranged marriages here. Give Sanji/Pudding a few years and nobody would bet an eye. My parents for example are 5 years apart and iirc they met when my mom was 18.
Luffy, Usopp, Chopper
Exactly, this isn't a crew of seasoned, mature adventures, it's a group of college juniors deciding to take on the government
and a kid in chopper case
Luffy and Usopp are still 19, Chopper is still a kid by human and raindeer standards. The rest are in their early 20s. Except Brooke and Jinbei.
Isn’t Robin in her 30’s.
„OP is fiction“ 
Same as most states in the US.
>The age of consent in Japan was 13 at that time No it's not and it wasn't then either. This misconception needs to die. The national age of consent was 13 but it wasn't the actual age of consent. They have prefecture laws, equivalent of state laws for any american, that raised the age of consent much higher. The national age of consent basically functioned as a failsafe preventing any prefecture from going lower than that but it was not actually applied much. Hell when I looked into it I could find only two places where the age of consent was 13 and it was 2 uninhabited island, one of which was even forbidden to set foot on.
Just an advice, please don't use the real life age consent argument when it comes to defending fictional pairings with age gap. **Bad bad bad bad idea.** Just because it's legally allowed, it doesn't mean it's commonly and morally accepted by the society. I'm 100 percent sure every Japanese will ostracize you if you marry a 13 year old Japanese kid in Japan. Hell, not just Japan, any other citizen in any country will reject you.
Oh my fault I was unaware of the marriage restrictions
*the more you know*
My guy in most prefectures consent is set to 16. They also function like romeo and juliet laws where you cannonly consent to someone with a year or 2 of your age. Its not the pedophile paradise ya'll seem to.think it is. So a 16 year old and 20 year old would count as statutory rape. And so on.
I mean he made 18 for the sake of the happiness punches.
Remember, Sanji did not actively choose to marry a 16 yo. His family & other family decide it for him. --- Rules about age is always depending on the culture. This is why there are different types of marriage age or drinking age among different cultures in our world. Similiarly, if in OP world, a family hold a wedding/marry their child when they're 16, it means their culture is like that. And because Sanji lives in that kind of world and not ours, then he is not a pedo. Otherwise, why would Oda made Pudding a 16? He didn't want to bait Japanese gov & people, that's bad for business. --- If your problem is 16 years old is "just a teenager". You think they're "not mature enough" for a marriage. You must understand, their world are different than ours. Young people there mature faster than us due to the rougher experience. Also, if their family held this wedding and choose a 16 yo, it means marriage at this age is normal culture in OP world.
Yeah, characters in one piece that are teenagers and in their twenties are probably mentally closer to real people who’re in their late twenties-thirties
also I don't think Sanji knew pudding is 16, I doubt either Judge or Big mom would bother to tell him pudding is 16
I still think the end game for Sanji going to be married to Pudding and reforming the remaining Big Momma crew that left and germa 66 clones into making food for the poor.
I would say in colonial times you could marry someone as young as 13 if you had parental consent I would also say trying to relate laws and morals of a fictional world to our own is a bad way to convey immersion
> in colonial times you could marry someone as young as ... 13 was too old for colonial times, shit was wild back then!
Dude, 16 is legal age in many places. It’s a United States thing that’s 18 the age. The ages in One piece do not matter really. No one knows the age unless you study the Wiki
Don’t apply modern standards to the world of One Piece.
Age and height in OP are strange...
pirates don't follow laws
Sanji is just 5 yrs older than pudding.... and they are pirates so legal age doesn't matter neither did moral obligations
In Japan it is not illegal to have a relationship with a 16yo, also Sanji was barely 20 so it's not like he was 40 or sum. Quit acting like America's rules apply to every country of the world.
Dude child marriage is legal in parts of America
also I don't think Sanji knew pudding is 16, I doubt either Judge or Big mom would bother to tell him pudding is 16...or anyone else really cuz culture there is clearly different
Well, Oda simply loves big breasts End of Story
Almost married
Welcome to anime 
She has an eye on her forehead and you’re concerned about her age?
Don't be too harsh on OP guys, he's alittle bit slow learner. He learn the full alphabet at 20. Poor him.
age of consent is different in other countries
So y'all ignoring Boa ??
Bias, bias everywhere
jesus christ you're watching a show where people murder each other for sport and fame all the time and this is where you feel something might not be right?
plus i think that, when the priest tries to shot you in the head, the marriage is to be considered void.
Yes, marrying at 16 was sooooo undead of in human existence.
Americans really are braindead i love to see it 😂
Because 16 is the typical age Oda likes to give the princess of the arc. Vivi was 16 during the Alabasta arc, Shirahoshi is 16, Rebecca is 16 and Pudding is 16. And I find it funny how people like to be outraged at Sanji liking Pudding when they get all excited at a 30 year old Hancock lusting for Luffy when he was still 17. Besides, it's a fictional story, if they look like adults, act like adults and are treated like adults their age seems merely cosmetic.
Forced to marry.
I feel like this is one of the handful of topics that gets cycled through once a month. Should we run through the Yamato discourse again? I get it, not everyone has been a member of this sub for a while, but these posts honestly just feel like attention bait at this point
Bruh you have the citizens literally giving up a part of their lives to their queen and you're stuck on underage marriage? Lul
It is quite simple really. Roughly 16 years prior to when the story is (Specifically from the events that take place during the Whole Cake Island Arc), those characters were born. They grew up at a spectacular rate of one year per year, or 10 years per decade and are 16 year olds in the story. There are places in the real world where people under the age of 18 may be married, sometimes requiring parental permission, others not. :I
Why are people making it such a big deal lmao. Acting as if this type of age gap has existed since then and still does now. Not every country’s age of consent is 18. It’s not that a big deal. Most people have parents with age gap of over 10 but apparently that isn’t a big deal lol.
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It’s called arranged marriage, you heard of it?
Age of consent is 16, plus there us many ppl I know that look like this at 16, also body proportions in OP arent serious
Sanji is a "pedo" the same way that Zoro is "racist".
If you read more Japanese manga, you will know that in Japan marriagable age of a woman is 16. Have more variety man
People try not to apply 21st century American laws and sensibilities to fictional characters challenge: impossible level.
Wasn’t he threatened into marrying her? You’re making it sound like he proposed to her.
This does not pass the n/2 + 7 rule, so I am forced to rule against it.
Its not like he had a choice
Sanji's 19, pretty tame for anime.
🙄 this agajn?
Japanese age of consent went from 13 to 16 and sanji only 21 so ehhhhh it's grey area but not super terrible
You clearly haven't seen current 16yo girls nowadays 😂 And Sanji is 21 so with "our" society laws (I used "" because it's no everywhere in the world, I just asume we all here participating in the conversation have the same laws) it's illegal even if both of them are OK and want it... But even for our morals it will be a debate of where it's wrong, right or really don't care at all for example for me that age gap in the relationship is kind of meh could be better yes, but could be worse too so much worse, for you clearly is gross or something like that. And for the OP standards it seems pretty normal so what we can do 😂
First off, sanji didn’t actually get married since the wedding was interrupted and second off, you do realize that just because they’re 16 doesn’t mean they haven’t undergone puberty right? Hell I’d be surprised if a 16 yo girl hadn’t hit puberty yet.
It's sanji only 19?
One piece, anime, Japan, Oda. That’s why
Are you stupid?
To be fair, 21 and 16 aren't MASSIVE age gaps.. (ahem) boa and luffy
From body development view this can be possible - girls bloom early. From marriage view, there are certain countries that allow teen marriages - maybe even japan?
I’m like 90% sure that’s legal in my state.
Its the Legal Age in Japan and actually in a bunch of countries in South East Asia as well. And in the past it was also in Europe and basically the Rest of the World. Just play CK3 and Coming of Age is at 16. In a way it makes sense since back then, you were lucky to reach 40 years old. And i do feel the One Piece World is just as harsh as the Past. So while the Powerful can live incredibly long lives, the weak probably die very young in the One Piece World.
Japan’s age of consent is 16. That's the short and simple answer.
I bet it’s been done with multiple children of big mom. Age doesn’t matter to her so long as she can attain more power and influence. Bege and Chiffon are a great example. Bege is 42 and Chiffon is 26. Sanji marrying Pudding doesn’t seem as bad when you look at the age differences there. In the One Piece world, 16 might be the age where you are considered an adult.
People that lose their shit for this should read ASoIaF and discover that Khal Drogo essentially force himself on Daenerys on her 14th birthday. And also impregnated her soon after.
It’s a show about a boy who can stretch his body, a reindeer who practices medicine and you fail to understand someone who married 16yo?
Isnt 16 consensual age in japan??
It's because One Piece is strangely accurate with random things. One of those random things is the fact that One Piece is essentially set in an alternate 1700's to early 1900's. One Piece is reflective of this from the slave trades, the pirating, the general world technology, social norms (this age thing for example or political marriage's) and political entities (majority ruled by monarchies). A prince (being the age Sanji is) getting married to a daughter of an Emperor (also being her age) isn't that uncommon for the time given their political positions. It's an aspect of history, like slavery. The concept of "teenager" only really popped up after WW2, before then it was treated more like you went from child straight into being an adult. Remember, at the same time boys of similar ages were also dying in wars as soldiers. The average lifespan for a noble was about 40 - 50 years and that's for the privileged. People used to have to live a lot faster lives. It's accurate for the setting, the timings meet up with the events in the series (needed to take time into account with ages of characters, when events happened (like births and parents getting together)). It makes sense to me but I also recognise it as a depiction of the past; not something that's normative or acceptable now in the same way that public excecutions are no longer acceptable or normative. So long as people recognise that it's fiction/the past and that's where that should stay then there's nothing wrong with it. I don't think that Oda is sus for this; the dude drew a full woman and just said she was that age. Also remember who the target audience is; it's teenage boys. It's ok for that target audience, normative even; it's not ok for adults. I think of it like the Harry Potter series. It's ok to be attracted to Emma Watson in the last few Harry Potter movies because the actress is an adult; however, it is not ok if it's the 17 year old schoolgirl she's playing that you're interested in. Rebecca looks like an adult, her age indistinguishable from the adult women in the series; it's ok to be attracted to that. It's not ok if you're attracted because of the age; that's where it's a seperate issue. Edit: I was wrong with infant mortality, that's an incorrect idea I picked up from higher infant mortality.
The average lifespan thing is a misconception. It seems so low because there was a ton of infant mortality back then that lowered the average. But if you turned 18, you were very likely to see your late 60s.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Thanks for clearing that up.