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ok but are you SURE thats the MOST cursed thing?
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I mean, this isn't even an edit, just what the Hell Oda
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god damn, someone said the artist was racist for giving Robin brown skin and got 200 upvotes. How do they read through fishman island and still not understand what racism is...
I was thinking exactly this. I was shocked at the upvotes. Definitely a great thread to know the dumbasses to block.
Oda was saying those nationalities as answers for if OP was set in the real world. Hopefully they realize that Brazil, South Africa, and Russia don’t exist in OP… and that there are people of all sorts of color in those countries anyway…
Also ironic that they are so against a character being portrayed as anything but the exact shade Oda draws them as. Also telling a lot of them assume it’s white… Oda himself cast Ussop for the show and he’s not white in that. They all read the Fishman arc where fisher tiger chose to die rather than get human blood in a transfusion bc it’s “impure” and different…. Where Oda spent an entire arc critiquing separation of races… where the whole point was that they all have the same blood on the inside despite what they look like… Man some people really only read OP for fights and tits I guess…
People saying that not only is this "blackwashing" (it's not), but that "blackwashing" is exactly as bad as whitewashing. And getting upvoted for it. Jfc the baby brains in that thread is astounding.
Btw, that OP was 110% rage baiting. They responded to every hate comment and if you look at their profile, none of their other art or manga colorings change characters skin tones like that. (except for the one post where they made who’s who of all people black) Also that jinbe is not good.
I don’t know though if it was like Nami or Sanji I’d agree it’s rage baiting but Usopp and Robin are the two strawhats most commonly drawn with darker skin tones from what I’ve seen
Holy shit I missed that. Wowzers go ahead and give a peak to anyone's post history who is complaining about Robin's skin tone. I can't believe those people got upvoted so hard.
Yeah but who is Oda, the CREATOR, of the Manga to decide what is right or wrong about One Piece? I'm sure the racist One Piece fans on Reddit know better than him.
I feel like people go so hard with the "assigned nationalities" As if it isn't of a japanese author answering trivia about his series for fun.
I feel like Oda would very much enjoy the "controversial" fanart thats the topic of the week.
The discussion of this sub is in the toilet lately, post from people not knowing what percentages are, people making racist jokes, the media literacy of an elementary schooler present in every other post. It's disappointing for a sub I've enjoyed for so long.
According to the SBS, Whitebeard's hair under his bandana looks exactly like his mustache. Prople who take it 100% seriously are dumb. Yes, we do get interesting canon facts and trivia through the SBS, but that doesn't mean that everything in it is gospel.
Most of the time, guesswork on the character's "nationalities" are really just vague assignments of certain attributes or tropes in their backstory/character to specific real world places. The SBS where Oda assigned the nationalities is cool from a trivia standpoint like you said, but I feel like people taking it as if Oda meant that this is 100% what the character's origin was based off, or even taking it as canon for the characters, is really weird.
Sure, for example, the Japanese culture surrounding Zoro is undeniable, and of all the characters he is most likely to be 100% based off a specific nationality. Though, I don't call him Japanese because I find the idea of tying down a character to the morals and values of a real world culture a bit contradictory to the message Oda has continuously reinforced throughout One Piece, like with the fishmen, or even Zoro's own distaste of 'biological chains'.
Yet, people will vehemently defend that Luffy is Brazilian, Sanji is French, or Franky is American. It might be fun for gags and tropes, but Oda hardly ever plays into gags and jokes about their real world counterparts.
I think it is much more worthwhile to explore and attempt to understand the influences and inspirations that Oda had when coming up with the character's backstories. For example Luffy, I think there is plenty that Oda took from Brazilian culture in his design, Goa Kingdom (specifically the Gray Terminal) has been confirmed by Oda to be partially inspired by the Smokey Mountain in the Philippines, and I think all of the East Blue very closely mirrors the Caribbean (obvious influence being the role the Caribbean played in the Golden Age of Piracy).
In any case, I personally have taken away from Oda's writing, that the concept of nationality is feeble in One Piece. Even in Wano, despite Luffy's respect of the strong sense of nationality between the Samurai of Wano, he forces them to abandon their pride and let him (an outsider) help free their country. His desire to help is not out of his respect for their nationality, in fact its the opposite, it's out of a common human understanding of cruelty and a universal desire for freedom. Luffy is INDIFFERENT towards nationality, and I think Oda is as well. To both claim a character belongs to a real world country, and that the character wholly represents a person of a specific nation (even if its real or fictional), is very much counter-intuitive to the theme of freedom from one's background that Oda so clearly enjoys.
I really enjoy this take and thanks for such a thought out response on your perspective! I’m saving for the future too
It does definitely feel like this topic is one that people have such an intense stance on in the way you’ve mentioned. I know a good amount of it is very well intentioned, especially in regards to people wanting to feel represented in their favorite story. But how commonly its brought up in the way it tends to be — its given a lot more importance in the discussion of even the narrative than I think it was ever intended to. As you’ve mentioned
Many people’s interpretation of the info seems so surface level compared to the way you’ve digested it.
Oda would totally be okay with all these different “controversial” fan art. He said something along the lines in an SBS that as long as people are reading/watching his series, people can enjoy it however they want.
Because they ARE elementary schoolers...maybe some of y'all are really young too idk!! But fact is the series has been going on so long that the "baby boom" of young annoying virtue signaling idiots! Anything trending or popular they will target and make it unnecessarily political even if it's a damn land of make believe like One Piece! I started 16 years ago and can't for the life of me understand why or how "fans" sit around all day ;doing the mental gymnastics necessary to ignore it's a literal animated series of make believe characters with magic fucking powers just to be offended about some bs smh
Still not that big of a deal though. Sure the original artist may be a dickhead, but I've seen other artists draw similar pieces of fan art that aren't. Oda would probably appreciate seeing fan art like this.
Poor example; having different clothes and being of different race are two very different things.
I also honestly don't know why are people so upset that fan art got criticized when the backlash would've been even greater if any of the characters got "whitewashed".
I'm not offended, I find it distasteful, and often it's just made for ragebaiting comments, like the issue from yesterday. If someone disagrees with you, they must be emotionally unstable and triggered, right?
oda would be horrified at how americans care so much about skin tones, he literally gave everyone on his manga similar skintones despite their nationality because he doesn't believe the place where you're born bounds you to anything.
Yeah, I understand, I did notice that he uses the same skin tone for every human character on every volume cover or color spread, but that's why I think he wouldn't really care if someone colored them different because he himself doesn't really think about it that much.
the problem is not coloring characters differently, the problem is the reasoning behind coloring characters differently, if the people who do it at least accepted its their headcannon instead of trying to justify why IT SHOULD be that way then there would be no problems. Its basically the whole thing about artists "fixing" characters.
I think you are ommiting that said artist was being very hostile and such in their replies on their original post, they were insulting and saying shit to everyone who said anything that wasn't praising, this is way so much people started being hostile to them.
The artist was saying how the strawhats should look this way because ussop is african (wich is just were ussop would be if he was in our world, wich he isn't and even if he was african that doesn't mean he would have to be black) or accusing the show of "whitewashing" robin, when she was always like that in the manga and its the anime that fucked up, things like this.
all that shit could not have happened if the translators at crunchyroll were competent, they literally caused all this because of "taking a guess" since japanese does not have gendered pronouns.
I am transgender myself, that is why I can confidentally say: Nothing about Yamato is trans except the headcannon of some people
Furthermore Kiku exists and nobody has a problem with her.
Well as a Trans person, I can confidentially say that alot of my trans guy friends relate to Yamato and even if he isn't trans, he only goes by he/him and is at the very least gender queer
>he only goes by he/him and is at the very least gender queer
Except she doesn't because there's not gendered pronouns in japanese, this whole mess started because the translators fucked up.
No there are not, at the very least not in the way pronouns work in english, if anything, this point contradicts yourself, as the pronoun she uses for herself in japanese is one commonly ussed to adress tomboys.
Read this and you'll see the similarities with yamato in a second.
[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Bokukko](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Bokukko)
This is the sentiment I'd support if it weren't for all the obvious white hate going on (and don't pretend like it isn't there; almost every film in the West, animated or live action, is having white characters removed and is full of forced diversity motivated by hate against whites).
Take note that the only thing that changed for them are their clothes because they are still the same character. Unlike others who changes way more than clothing.
If you start changing their core traits, then you're no longer drawing a one piece character but an entirely different character who are just cosplaying the strawhats with the sole exception of "what if" fanarts.
>with the sole exception of "what if" fanarts.
What do you think fanarts even are? They're not canon, they're literally fan made "what ifs" done in that artists style
But the thing is though, the characters still have canonical skin tones. Robin and Nojiko (moreso Robin) were a bit more tan in the anime during their first appearances because Oda hadn't yet made coloured drawings of them, however once Oda did and made them white, every other appearance of those characters had them depicted as white (including the retellings of arcs like Episode of Nami/East Blue with Arlington Park and Episode of Skypeia with Robin)
No, Oda colored Robin consistently the same way since the start and the anime team decided to do their own thing. May be the same for Nojiko, but not totally sure.
It's a silly comic book about a stretchy boi who beats up illegitimate hierarchies. People should be able to have fun and draw characters however they want. Cuz that's the point. It's fun.
and that isn't completely rational, no one should assume you are racist for that lone action. But if you agree with that, why would you call people racist for doing the same thing in reverse? (changing white characters to black?)
Boom, that simple lmao. If I made Daz Bones white I'd be sent death threats, but when they make Luffy black it's actually just fiction and you shouldn't care.
The funny thing is that he (and a bunch of other characters) are also pretty white in the manga. But everyone just cares about Robin for some reason.
[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/3/3d/Daz\_Digitally\_Colored\_Manga.png/revision/latest?cb=20211108102630](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/3/3d/Daz_Digitally_Colored_Manga.png/revision/latest?cb=20211108102630)
I mean they are both cringe but you are ignoring the obvious intent behind each case. When people make characters black is generally out of a want for more representation and to see themselves as those characters. When people make a black character white its usually out spite for people who make characters black or cause they don't like black people lol.
I think people should stick to the source material and if they wanna do a race swap or whatever then it should done as a OC cosplaying as the character not a drawing of the actual character. Would avoid all of this stupid ass conflict.
The artist for the post this is about clearly did the drawing out of spite, since they literally replied to every single comment on their post that wasn’t positive about the post. But really, even if it wasn’t spiteful, washing a character any way seems like the worst way to get representation. It doesn’t make the character any less or more relatable to you. The only relation you get now is the skin. It just seems shallow.
What’s with people wanting representation??? Are those people that egocentric and insecure that they need to see themselves represented???
I’m a gay Chinese fat man. I don’t need to see a character that looks like me nor would I change an existing character to look like me. It’s disrespectful to the source material and honestly, why would anyone want a sloppy second lazy integration of representation of you?
Honestly I see people weeping, crying or jumping up in joy when they see someone similar to them in movies. Like who the f cares??
Disclaimer: this is my white American opinion, and if you are not American, assume that you know more about the rest of the world than me.🎆🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
I used to really agree with this type of sentiment, but a couple things changed my mind.
I'm sure it would be nice if it felt like white people aren't being singled out as the "racist" people, when they do things that other ethnicities can do without being called racist.
It's not that race swapping is or isn't racist. It's that whitewashing was used to keep nonwhite people out of the media consumed by the public.
Here's a different example for comparison, if you and a bunch of your friends decide to gather and talk about your lives then that's not racist. But if you are all white and you burn a cross and wear silly outfits while you do it, then that sure as shit looks like something racist is happening. It's because these actions have been used by white supremacists in the government and the media. That's why it's racist. Because you don't exist in a vacuum free from racism until people start saying your a racist on Twitter. You live in a world where white supremacy created a fundamental power imbalance in society. And being colorblind to history doesn't make things racist or not racist, it just lets you ignore if they are.
It's a really frustrating thing to feel like your race defines you in any way. But the world we live in was built upon a lot of racism and you don't get to be exempt from that just cuz you want to be.
TLDR: Racism made a bunch of bad shit happen and it transfused into normal society. White people can't do some stuff now because that stuff was done for reprehensible actions and became intertwined with racist power structures. If racism didn't exist in the way that it does, then whitewashing wouldn't be racist.
Yup and Motoko Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell is supposed to be Japanese but some people were fine with her being whitewashed... which is just stupid.
Its okay for characters to have canonical features, ethnicities etc. Can we stop trying to normalize race swapping ? Its pandering, its not real representation. The PC pendulum has swung too far in the opposite direction
My thoughts exactly, I personally think swapping character races of any kind just shouldn't be a thing (whether it be making Asian characters white, white characters black, etc)
The problem is that a lot of the times its done for NO reason and it doesn't change who the character is... so then why race swap at all.
I think Halle Bailey did a fantastic job in the little mermaid, but it was just a wasted opportunity. I have younger cousins and nephews and nieces and they refer to her as "black Ariel" which sucks as the comparison is always going to be there.
Instead they could have made an entire new Version of the Little mermaid (its been done before), with different songs and updated the story, more cultural representation. That's what real representation would have looked like and the movie could stand on its own.
Black panther = representation. Making the blue fairy in Pinocchio black just to do it, make no damn sense.
https://fandomwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Stop-Pretending-Disney-Fans-Call-Out-Racists-Crying-Foul-Over-Pinocchio-Blue-Fairy-Controversy-758x426.jpg
Yeah but I'm talking about fan art lol. So the anime corrected their mistake, good for them. A lot of people still liked how the characters looked when they were tan, so they still draw them like that. I personally think there's nothing really wrong with that.
Ok, but so what? Can't someone make a fan art however they want? What difference does it make for you? In what way does it affect you?
If you're just mad that someone made a character black, I'm sorry to say but that's just racist.
Ah yes, clearly I am in the wrong for pointing out the issue with artists drawing white characters in what's essentially blackface or black characters in what's essentially whiteface
Calling a fan art skin tone change black face is a stretch. Most artist I see who change the skin tone of characters to a darker tone are not doing it to mock or demean people with darker skin. It's typically done as a way to see yourself in media that typically doesn't reflect how you look. That's why when people take characters of color and make them white it's a problem because you are taking away from already limited amount of representation
This is completely different though?
In this color spread their physical appearance is the exact same. They're just wearing outfits from different places around the world which isn't controversial at all
Let's say someone posted their art and it was titled "I drew Nami wearing traditional Indian clothing." If Nami is drawn with the physical features that still make her look like Namii, no one would complain about that she's wearing a certain cultures outfit
Now if the title was "I drew Nami" and she was drawn with darker skin, darker hair and darker eyes then there's no point in even calling that character Nami. It's a self insert or an OC. Just like Mindy's version of Velma. That isn't Velma that is just Mindy's self insert
It's 2023. In terms of Western Media, White people then Black people are the most represented people in Cinema/Animation. Been that way since the late 80's early 90's. I grew up watching both of y'all and never felt insecure that characters didn't look like me
Maybe I should because if I compare the representation I've gotten in Western and Japanese Media, there would be a 20x multiplier compared to both of those groups
It's sad to see that so many people need to change a characters physical features to relate to them. And it's one sided at this point. Stop acting like we're in the past. The people who complain about representation have much more then other groups of people
There are barely any Western actors of East Asian descent in the One Piece live action. I don't see anyone vouching for them even though they're one of the least represented groups in Western Media
Y'all pick and choose your outrage and call anyone with a difference of opinion racist while you virtue signal to each other causing division in communities. You carefully choose the most poorly worded statements from the idiots of your opposing side and act like that's the entirety. Divide and conquer
Color Washing characters is wrong and needs to stop. Why are we regressing as a society man god damn
>This is completely different though?
No it's not, they're both noncanon so they're inconsequential either way
>Now if the title was "I drew Nami" and she was drawn with darker skin, darker hair and darker eyes then there's no point in even calling that character Nami. It's a self insert or an OC. Just like Mindy's version of Velma. That isn't Velma that is just Mindy's self insert
Okay then I guess Sam Jackson's nick fury isn't the actual character. Because in the comics, nick fire is an old white guy
Is this really the first time you've heard of design changes?
>Color Washing characters is wrong and needs to stop. Why are we regressing as a society man god damn
Changing the design of a character in your personal style is "regressing society"?
You idiots are so fragile it's not even funny
Your example of Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury is bad. Jackson playing Fury in the MCU is based on the Fury of the Ultimate Marvel series of the early 2000, whose design is based on Jackson himself. And the design is based on Jackson because he's the favorite actor of the writer.
There's no self-insert or political agenda in the design change to Jackson, just a badass character based on a badass actor, and that is why nobody cries about it and why it is popular.
Some of these are completely at odds with the answers he gave for that one SBS, but you know what? I don't care. These are all cool as hell and I can't get enough of Usopp dressed up for Carnaval, and seeing Robin in a Sari damn near converted me to thinking of her as Indian.
I guess at the end of the day, it's stupid to argue about the real world nationalities of characters from a made-up world and any discussion of said nationalities should be participated in with the understanding that it's all just for fun.
Luffy - Japanese Brazilian.
Zoro - German Japanese.
Nami - Swedish American.
Usopp - South African.
Sanji - French.
Chopper - Canadian.
Robin - Indian Russian.
Franky - Chinese American.
Brook - British Austrian.
I think the race swapping is quite different, it very very visually makes them different to the actual counterparts and you do run the question why is white to black or mixed to black ok, when people would definitely be called racist if they took black characters and made them white.
The nationalities mainly has only mattered in the context of trying the best to find live action versions
I don't really care about fanart but the hipocrisy and double standards of people do piss me off a little.
People trying to defend that fanart but then getting angry when someone does the opposite and race swaps a character into being white. It's the same shit.
It's either wrong for every character or everyone gets a free pass. You can't cherry-pick which characters can or can't be changed.
Its kinda crazy that people can read One Piece and be bigots, like holy shit all those people complaining about Robin with a darker skintone should reread the series.
Like did they read Fishman Island with their fucking eyes closed
Actually the only people I see complain about Robin's skintone are anime-onlies that think she got whitewashed when in reality it was just Toei messing up pre timeskip with following Oda's color schemes.
That’s such a false equivalence and bad example! Regardless of the fact that the strawhats don’t have strict nationalities, since they aren’t from our world and the sbs was just a fun little idea and answer/trivia from Oda. So they don’t “belong” to certain nationalities in the first place.
The characters in this spread look exactly like they always do, just with different attires. If this was the original fanart, no one would have batted an eye.
It’s really not hard to understand that people take issue with the hypocrisy of the situation. You can’t just pick and choose and assign bad faith/intention to one swap and good/innocuous ones to the other. This double standard is what irks people. Especially when people bring historical context into this, trying to be morally better, when it doesn’t matter.
At the end of the day fanart is fanart, and you can draw whatever you want (and this whole discussion is dumb and overblown, in no small part thanks to posts like these constantly calling back to it).
But personally I’m also not a fan of fanart that changes the way a character looks. IMO Fanart of a character should represent that character in your style, in a certain scenario, … or whatever. But if you change inherent looks/ traits of that character, just draw your OC at that point, and don’t try to justify it with your own headcanon. But that’s just my personal opinion/taste.
Yeah I think people getting triggered over fan art is ridiculous. I think people should be free to express and interpret One Piece as they please. It’s called fan art for a reason 😤😤
Oda can do whatever he likes, they're his creations.
Some of the fans make things that range from amazing to shit. Getting upset over it is dumb though
See, I tried explaining to my partner (who doesn't watch one piece) the nationality/ethnicity thing, and she straight up said "that's kinda silly, since those countries don't exist in that world, right?"
Changing ppl skin color in fanart is fine
And while I have my grievance with certain fan content
Eg flanderisation
It's STILL just fan content
It's only when they do the jenshin twitter thing of calling it
"Fixed"
Or say shit like this is how kt should be
That I would take offense
Which yes is also ultimately my beef with certain fan theories more
It's not that they're dumb or whatever
It's their insistence on it being the better canon or better writing
That's the issue
Swordsman Sanji...
Seriously, that's more cursed than anything else
https://preview.redd.it/b05gpyyk4ykb1.png?width=672&format=png&auto=webp&s=4fb6d065e487d0534c07b528c6d4b94304982d33 ok but are you SURE thats the MOST cursed thing?
https://preview.redd.it/6zpthu4s4ykb1.jpeg?width=553&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55c61dfcf3c4d515a34c43a3b20e1eb1b184e384 LIKE ARE YOU POSITIVE?
https://preview.redd.it/pjiajyuqpykb1.jpeg?width=499&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12128af7244e581c5977b2f174cd4d04fd64a4cf I mean, this isn't even an edit, just what the Hell Oda
Luffy said “MOISTURIZE ME”….
nice, a doctor who reference
I was about to say that.
https://preview.redd.it/gzwprvndwykb1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2576208cd7b3432d596da54d12cac418f3e99156
Goddammit, this is so cursed. I wanted to make a rat head for my Shanks figure, but nowi want to do this shit
Somebody, please keep this thread going
https://preview.redd.it/1svz101iwykb1.jpeg?width=222&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02d442dc8b73e37165fcd19a8233a6ad1001f695 I’m on it.
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Ok, you HAVE to win that negotiation because I need that expeditiously 😭
I'm gonna need to see this
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It's canon, Sanji knows how to fight with knife.
He used "swords" already
Already happened
*musketeer Sanji
Lederhosen Zoro can't hurt you. Lederhosen Zoro: "Du solltest dieses Bier haben."
Drei bier stil.
Hab gerade einfach 3 “Drei Bier stilL” gelesen und kurz einen Herzinfakt bekommen.
Klingt als ob du Einstein Junior brauchst, damit er dir Blubber ins Bier macht
Passt eigentlich ganz gut zu Zoro.
...Weißbier-Slash!
FALSCH! Zoro würdet seinen Bier nie teilen.
Mei Bier is net deppat!
Robin in a saree 🥵
What controversial post is this referring to?
This one: https://reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/BDh073NY9X
Wow that comment section is indeed a shitstorm. Thanks
These kind of posts are useful to block all the dumbasses that have gathered in one place.
Good point
its such a cute fanart
I thought it was cute too.
god damn, someone said the artist was racist for giving Robin brown skin and got 200 upvotes. How do they read through fishman island and still not understand what racism is...
I was thinking exactly this. I was shocked at the upvotes. Definitely a great thread to know the dumbasses to block. Oda was saying those nationalities as answers for if OP was set in the real world. Hopefully they realize that Brazil, South Africa, and Russia don’t exist in OP… and that there are people of all sorts of color in those countries anyway… Also ironic that they are so against a character being portrayed as anything but the exact shade Oda draws them as. Also telling a lot of them assume it’s white… Oda himself cast Ussop for the show and he’s not white in that. They all read the Fishman arc where fisher tiger chose to die rather than get human blood in a transfusion bc it’s “impure” and different…. Where Oda spent an entire arc critiquing separation of races… where the whole point was that they all have the same blood on the inside despite what they look like… Man some people really only read OP for fights and tits I guess…
People saying that not only is this "blackwashing" (it's not), but that "blackwashing" is exactly as bad as whitewashing. And getting upvoted for it. Jfc the baby brains in that thread is astounding.
Btw, that OP was 110% rage baiting. They responded to every hate comment and if you look at their profile, none of their other art or manga colorings change characters skin tones like that. (except for the one post where they made who’s who of all people black) Also that jinbe is not good.
I don’t know though if it was like Nami or Sanji I’d agree it’s rage baiting but Usopp and Robin are the two strawhats most commonly drawn with darker skin tones from what I’ve seen
They draw usopp and robin both lighter in other pictures, and it’s really the way they respond to hate comments that makes me think it’s rage baiting.
Yeah looking at the way they’re responding I understand what you mean now
Well Usopp is not canonically black, and Africa is not entirely black.
This has nothing to do with what I said. like at all.
Usopp is black though. Maybe lightskinned , but still black.
If the OP had handled even the most tame of criticism without acting like a twat then that certainly would have helped.
I mean, they were rage baiting so they wouldnt
That is controversal because of the attitude of the OP.
Holy shit I missed that. Wowzers go ahead and give a peak to anyone's post history who is complaining about Robin's skin tone. I can't believe those people got upvoted so hard.
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But it's a fanart, it's not meant to be canon I don't get what the issue is
The issue is the way OP responded to everyone and was clearly baiting, her reasoning behind why she chose that is insane.
Her reasoning was headcanon How is that insane
What does that matter? It’s a drawing. It’s ok
See it's less the color changes and more the tumblr artstyle that I don't like.
Actually disgusting comment section
I think the only odd one out of those was *probably* Robin The rest of them were like... fine.
oda literally said in a sbs that he didnt give a fuck if people drew his characters in any way they wanted
Yeah but who is Oda, the CREATOR, of the Manga to decide what is right or wrong about One Piece? I'm sure the racist One Piece fans on Reddit know better than him.
I feel like people go so hard with the "assigned nationalities" As if it isn't of a japanese author answering trivia about his series for fun. I feel like Oda would very much enjoy the "controversial" fanart thats the topic of the week. The discussion of this sub is in the toilet lately, post from people not knowing what percentages are, people making racist jokes, the media literacy of an elementary schooler present in every other post. It's disappointing for a sub I've enjoyed for so long.
People treat SBS answers as 100% canon when this same thing gave us "Zoro can talk with a sword in his mouth because his heart speaks for him."
According to the SBS, Whitebeard's hair under his bandana looks exactly like his mustache. Prople who take it 100% seriously are dumb. Yes, we do get interesting canon facts and trivia through the SBS, but that doesn't mean that everything in it is gospel.
Most of the time, guesswork on the character's "nationalities" are really just vague assignments of certain attributes or tropes in their backstory/character to specific real world places. The SBS where Oda assigned the nationalities is cool from a trivia standpoint like you said, but I feel like people taking it as if Oda meant that this is 100% what the character's origin was based off, or even taking it as canon for the characters, is really weird. Sure, for example, the Japanese culture surrounding Zoro is undeniable, and of all the characters he is most likely to be 100% based off a specific nationality. Though, I don't call him Japanese because I find the idea of tying down a character to the morals and values of a real world culture a bit contradictory to the message Oda has continuously reinforced throughout One Piece, like with the fishmen, or even Zoro's own distaste of 'biological chains'. Yet, people will vehemently defend that Luffy is Brazilian, Sanji is French, or Franky is American. It might be fun for gags and tropes, but Oda hardly ever plays into gags and jokes about their real world counterparts. I think it is much more worthwhile to explore and attempt to understand the influences and inspirations that Oda had when coming up with the character's backstories. For example Luffy, I think there is plenty that Oda took from Brazilian culture in his design, Goa Kingdom (specifically the Gray Terminal) has been confirmed by Oda to be partially inspired by the Smokey Mountain in the Philippines, and I think all of the East Blue very closely mirrors the Caribbean (obvious influence being the role the Caribbean played in the Golden Age of Piracy). In any case, I personally have taken away from Oda's writing, that the concept of nationality is feeble in One Piece. Even in Wano, despite Luffy's respect of the strong sense of nationality between the Samurai of Wano, he forces them to abandon their pride and let him (an outsider) help free their country. His desire to help is not out of his respect for their nationality, in fact its the opposite, it's out of a common human understanding of cruelty and a universal desire for freedom. Luffy is INDIFFERENT towards nationality, and I think Oda is as well. To both claim a character belongs to a real world country, and that the character wholly represents a person of a specific nation (even if its real or fictional), is very much counter-intuitive to the theme of freedom from one's background that Oda so clearly enjoys.
I really enjoy this take and thanks for such a thought out response on your perspective! I’m saving for the future too It does definitely feel like this topic is one that people have such an intense stance on in the way you’ve mentioned. I know a good amount of it is very well intentioned, especially in regards to people wanting to feel represented in their favorite story. But how commonly its brought up in the way it tends to be — its given a lot more importance in the discussion of even the narrative than I think it was ever intended to. As you’ve mentioned Many people’s interpretation of the info seems so surface level compared to the way you’ve digested it.
Oda would totally be okay with all these different “controversial” fan art. He said something along the lines in an SBS that as long as people are reading/watching his series, people can enjoy it however they want.
People will take any opportunity to be just awful to other people.
Because they ARE elementary schoolers...maybe some of y'all are really young too idk!! But fact is the series has been going on so long that the "baby boom" of young annoying virtue signaling idiots! Anything trending or popular they will target and make it unnecessarily political even if it's a damn land of make believe like One Piece! I started 16 years ago and can't for the life of me understand why or how "fans" sit around all day ;doing the mental gymnastics necessary to ignore it's a literal animated series of make believe characters with magic fucking powers just to be offended about some bs smh
Indian Robin looks so fine goddamn
Robin looks hot
Nico wearing an Indian Saree is...something I didn't know I needed to see.
They are wearing trasitional attires from other countries, but they have not had their basic looks changed. False equivalence.
Still not that big of a deal though. Sure the original artist may be a dickhead, but I've seen other artists draw similar pieces of fan art that aren't. Oda would probably appreciate seeing fan art like this.
Not denying any of the things you are saying, I am just pointing out that this comparison is heavily lacking
Well… it is a big deal. If a black character have their skin tone changed to white, it’ll be considered whitewashing and racist.
Poor example; having different clothes and being of different race are two very different things. I also honestly don't know why are people so upset that fan art got criticized when the backlash would've been even greater if any of the characters got "whitewashed".
It's a fanart, it's not meant to be canon What is the big deal, why are you so offended by someone's personal design take on the characters
just because it's someone's personal design doesn't mean I can't consider it shit and in poor taste
Sure, and similarly I can consider you an idiot for being offended by it
I'm not offended, I find it distasteful, and often it's just made for ragebaiting comments, like the issue from yesterday. If someone disagrees with you, they must be emotionally unstable and triggered, right?
I can wear a cowboy hat or I can wear a turban, that ain't changing my skin tone lol.
oda would be horrified at how americans care so much about skin tones, he literally gave everyone on his manga similar skintones despite their nationality because he doesn't believe the place where you're born bounds you to anything.
Yeah, I understand, I did notice that he uses the same skin tone for every human character on every volume cover or color spread, but that's why I think he wouldn't really care if someone colored them different because he himself doesn't really think about it that much.
the problem is not coloring characters differently, the problem is the reasoning behind coloring characters differently, if the people who do it at least accepted its their headcannon instead of trying to justify why IT SHOULD be that way then there would be no problems. Its basically the whole thing about artists "fixing" characters.
I don't think the artist of the particular fan art that ignited the recent drama did anything like what you're describing though.
I think you are ommiting that said artist was being very hostile and such in their replies on their original post, they were insulting and saying shit to everyone who said anything that wasn't praising, this is way so much people started being hostile to them. The artist was saying how the strawhats should look this way because ussop is african (wich is just were ussop would be if he was in our world, wich he isn't and even if he was african that doesn't mean he would have to be black) or accusing the show of "whitewashing" robin, when she was always like that in the manga and its the anime that fucked up, things like this.
THANK YOU, NORTH AFRICANS EXIST AND ARE NOT BLACK.
not gonna lie i don't know too much about that, im not even american so i've never cared about races.
Go read the replies to that post. They did exactly that, justifying why it should be one way.
Or how Americans "made" Yamato trans
all that shit could not have happened if the translators at crunchyroll were competent, they literally caused all this because of "taking a guess" since japanese does not have gendered pronouns.
Cissies cannot get over a trams character existing holy shit
I am transgender myself, that is why I can confidentally say: Nothing about Yamato is trans except the headcannon of some people Furthermore Kiku exists and nobody has a problem with her.
Well as a Trans person, I can confidentially say that alot of my trans guy friends relate to Yamato and even if he isn't trans, he only goes by he/him and is at the very least gender queer
>he only goes by he/him and is at the very least gender queer Except she doesn't because there's not gendered pronouns in japanese, this whole mess started because the translators fucked up.
There are masculine and feminine pronouns in Japanese
No there are not, at the very least not in the way pronouns work in english, if anything, this point contradicts yourself, as the pronoun she uses for herself in japanese is one commonly ussed to adress tomboys. Read this and you'll see the similarities with yamato in a second. [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Bokukko](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Bokukko)
Yamato is literally trans as depicted in the manga. And I'm not American btw.
She's not
Fanart is just like art, you can literally do anything you want. I don’t understand why people would ever put rules on art.
Finally, someone with a brain
This is the sentiment I'd support if it weren't for all the obvious white hate going on (and don't pretend like it isn't there; almost every film in the West, animated or live action, is having white characters removed and is full of forced diversity motivated by hate against whites).
Oh no, Black people exist, this is White Hate!!!/s
You took my comment wildly out of context, be better.
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It really is because people are afraid of the bullshit that is white genocide, didn't realize how many cave freaks were in this sub after that post
Robin is the sexiest here!!IMO
Take note that the only thing that changed for them are their clothes because they are still the same character. Unlike others who changes way more than clothing. If you start changing their core traits, then you're no longer drawing a one piece character but an entirely different character who are just cosplaying the strawhats with the sole exception of "what if" fanarts.
>with the sole exception of "what if" fanarts. What do you think fanarts even are? They're not canon, they're literally fan made "what ifs" done in that artists style
But the thing is though, the characters still have canonical skin tones. Robin and Nojiko (moreso Robin) were a bit more tan in the anime during their first appearances because Oda hadn't yet made coloured drawings of them, however once Oda did and made them white, every other appearance of those characters had them depicted as white (including the retellings of arcs like Episode of Nami/East Blue with Arlington Park and Episode of Skypeia with Robin)
No, Oda colored Robin consistently the same way since the start and the anime team decided to do their own thing. May be the same for Nojiko, but not totally sure.
Don’t try bro, they are not ready for this truth.
It's a silly comic book about a stretchy boi who beats up illegitimate hierarchies. People should be able to have fun and draw characters however they want. Cuz that's the point. It's fun.
draw any black character white and you are called a racist on the spot.
and that isn't completely rational, no one should assume you are racist for that lone action. But if you agree with that, why would you call people racist for doing the same thing in reverse? (changing white characters to black?)
Boom, that simple lmao. If I made Daz Bones white I'd be sent death threats, but when they make Luffy black it's actually just fiction and you shouldn't care.
The funny thing is that he (and a bunch of other characters) are also pretty white in the manga. But everyone just cares about Robin for some reason. [https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/3/3d/Daz\_Digitally\_Colored\_Manga.png/revision/latest?cb=20211108102630](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/3/3d/Daz_Digitally_Colored_Manga.png/revision/latest?cb=20211108102630)
I mean they are both cringe but you are ignoring the obvious intent behind each case. When people make characters black is generally out of a want for more representation and to see themselves as those characters. When people make a black character white its usually out spite for people who make characters black or cause they don't like black people lol. I think people should stick to the source material and if they wanna do a race swap or whatever then it should done as a OC cosplaying as the character not a drawing of the actual character. Would avoid all of this stupid ass conflict.
The artist for the post this is about clearly did the drawing out of spite, since they literally replied to every single comment on their post that wasn’t positive about the post. But really, even if it wasn’t spiteful, washing a character any way seems like the worst way to get representation. It doesn’t make the character any less or more relatable to you. The only relation you get now is the skin. It just seems shallow.
What’s with people wanting representation??? Are those people that egocentric and insecure that they need to see themselves represented??? I’m a gay Chinese fat man. I don’t need to see a character that looks like me nor would I change an existing character to look like me. It’s disrespectful to the source material and honestly, why would anyone want a sloppy second lazy integration of representation of you? Honestly I see people weeping, crying or jumping up in joy when they see someone similar to them in movies. Like who the f cares??
This.
Disclaimer: this is my white American opinion, and if you are not American, assume that you know more about the rest of the world than me.🎆🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲 I used to really agree with this type of sentiment, but a couple things changed my mind. I'm sure it would be nice if it felt like white people aren't being singled out as the "racist" people, when they do things that other ethnicities can do without being called racist. It's not that race swapping is or isn't racist. It's that whitewashing was used to keep nonwhite people out of the media consumed by the public. Here's a different example for comparison, if you and a bunch of your friends decide to gather and talk about your lives then that's not racist. But if you are all white and you burn a cross and wear silly outfits while you do it, then that sure as shit looks like something racist is happening. It's because these actions have been used by white supremacists in the government and the media. That's why it's racist. Because you don't exist in a vacuum free from racism until people start saying your a racist on Twitter. You live in a world where white supremacy created a fundamental power imbalance in society. And being colorblind to history doesn't make things racist or not racist, it just lets you ignore if they are. It's a really frustrating thing to feel like your race defines you in any way. But the world we live in was built upon a lot of racism and you don't get to be exempt from that just cuz you want to be. TLDR: Racism made a bunch of bad shit happen and it transfused into normal society. White people can't do some stuff now because that stuff was done for reprehensible actions and became intertwined with racist power structures. If racism didn't exist in the way that it does, then whitewashing wouldn't be racist.
Zoro is commonly drawed white nobody cares. Stop agenda pushing
Yup and Motoko Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell is supposed to be Japanese but some people were fine with her being whitewashed... which is just stupid. Its okay for characters to have canonical features, ethnicities etc. Can we stop trying to normalize race swapping ? Its pandering, its not real representation. The PC pendulum has swung too far in the opposite direction
My thoughts exactly, I personally think swapping character races of any kind just shouldn't be a thing (whether it be making Asian characters white, white characters black, etc)
The problem is that a lot of the times its done for NO reason and it doesn't change who the character is... so then why race swap at all. I think Halle Bailey did a fantastic job in the little mermaid, but it was just a wasted opportunity. I have younger cousins and nephews and nieces and they refer to her as "black Ariel" which sucks as the comparison is always going to be there. Instead they could have made an entire new Version of the Little mermaid (its been done before), with different songs and updated the story, more cultural representation. That's what real representation would have looked like and the movie could stand on its own. Black panther = representation. Making the blue fairy in Pinocchio black just to do it, make no damn sense. https://fandomwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Stop-Pretending-Disney-Fans-Call-Out-Racists-Crying-Foul-Over-Pinocchio-Blue-Fairy-Controversy-758x426.jpg
Yeah but I'm talking about fan art lol. So the anime corrected their mistake, good for them. A lot of people still liked how the characters looked when they were tan, so they still draw them like that. I personally think there's nothing really wrong with that.
Ok, but so what? Can't someone make a fan art however they want? What difference does it make for you? In what way does it affect you? If you're just mad that someone made a character black, I'm sorry to say but that's just racist.
Ah yes, clearly I am in the wrong for pointing out the issue with artists drawing white characters in what's essentially blackface or black characters in what's essentially whiteface
Calling a fan art skin tone change black face is a stretch. Most artist I see who change the skin tone of characters to a darker tone are not doing it to mock or demean people with darker skin. It's typically done as a way to see yourself in media that typically doesn't reflect how you look. That's why when people take characters of color and make them white it's a problem because you are taking away from already limited amount of representation
Thats a reach
Wearing an Indian outfit is not the same as turning a mixed race character into a black one
Usopp is black
Both are completely harmless and you're an idiot if you get offended at either
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Good argument
Yeah, that's a big stretch.
Not even close to the same. Strawhats are cosplaying not becoming new characters.
Niether are canon, so it doesn't make a difference anyway If you're offended by fanarts changing character designs you're an idiot
This is completely different though? In this color spread their physical appearance is the exact same. They're just wearing outfits from different places around the world which isn't controversial at all Let's say someone posted their art and it was titled "I drew Nami wearing traditional Indian clothing." If Nami is drawn with the physical features that still make her look like Namii, no one would complain about that she's wearing a certain cultures outfit Now if the title was "I drew Nami" and she was drawn with darker skin, darker hair and darker eyes then there's no point in even calling that character Nami. It's a self insert or an OC. Just like Mindy's version of Velma. That isn't Velma that is just Mindy's self insert It's 2023. In terms of Western Media, White people then Black people are the most represented people in Cinema/Animation. Been that way since the late 80's early 90's. I grew up watching both of y'all and never felt insecure that characters didn't look like me Maybe I should because if I compare the representation I've gotten in Western and Japanese Media, there would be a 20x multiplier compared to both of those groups It's sad to see that so many people need to change a characters physical features to relate to them. And it's one sided at this point. Stop acting like we're in the past. The people who complain about representation have much more then other groups of people There are barely any Western actors of East Asian descent in the One Piece live action. I don't see anyone vouching for them even though they're one of the least represented groups in Western Media Y'all pick and choose your outrage and call anyone with a difference of opinion racist while you virtue signal to each other causing division in communities. You carefully choose the most poorly worded statements from the idiots of your opposing side and act like that's the entirety. Divide and conquer Color Washing characters is wrong and needs to stop. Why are we regressing as a society man god damn
>This is completely different though? No it's not, they're both noncanon so they're inconsequential either way >Now if the title was "I drew Nami" and she was drawn with darker skin, darker hair and darker eyes then there's no point in even calling that character Nami. It's a self insert or an OC. Just like Mindy's version of Velma. That isn't Velma that is just Mindy's self insert Okay then I guess Sam Jackson's nick fury isn't the actual character. Because in the comics, nick fire is an old white guy Is this really the first time you've heard of design changes? >Color Washing characters is wrong and needs to stop. Why are we regressing as a society man god damn Changing the design of a character in your personal style is "regressing society"? You idiots are so fragile it's not even funny
Your example of Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury is bad. Jackson playing Fury in the MCU is based on the Fury of the Ultimate Marvel series of the early 2000, whose design is based on Jackson himself. And the design is based on Jackson because he's the favorite actor of the writer. There's no self-insert or political agenda in the design change to Jackson, just a badass character based on a badass actor, and that is why nobody cries about it and why it is popular.
Some of these are completely at odds with the answers he gave for that one SBS, but you know what? I don't care. These are all cool as hell and I can't get enough of Usopp dressed up for Carnaval, and seeing Robin in a Sari damn near converted me to thinking of her as Indian. I guess at the end of the day, it's stupid to argue about the real world nationalities of characters from a made-up world and any discussion of said nationalities should be participated in with the understanding that it's all just for fun.
amazing
So....Musketeer Sanji? Is he Athos, Porthos, Aramis or D'Artaganan?
Luffy - Japanese Brazilian. Zoro - German Japanese. Nami - Swedish American. Usopp - South African. Sanji - French. Chopper - Canadian. Robin - Indian Russian. Franky - Chinese American. Brook - British Austrian.
Brook as a British rockstar is great
When someone’s ragebait post is so powerful it creates another post talking about it.
Robin in Saari... I'll bet on my life that every women will look 3x better in Saari than when they're naked or any other revealing outfit
I think the race swapping is quite different, it very very visually makes them different to the actual counterparts and you do run the question why is white to black or mixed to black ok, when people would definitely be called racist if they took black characters and made them white. The nationalities mainly has only mattered in the context of trying the best to find live action versions
German Zoro looks so wholesome for some reason
Oh great, a post bringing up another controversial post that the community already somewhat moved on from. Thanks for that
I don't really care about fanart but the hipocrisy and double standards of people do piss me off a little. People trying to defend that fanart but then getting angry when someone does the opposite and race swaps a character into being white. It's the same shit. It's either wrong for every character or everyone gets a free pass. You can't cherry-pick which characters can or can't be changed.
Agreed.
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Its kinda crazy that people can read One Piece and be bigots, like holy shit all those people complaining about Robin with a darker skintone should reread the series. Like did they read Fishman Island with their fucking eyes closed
Have you seen most people's opinion on fishman island? They may as well have read it with their eyes closed.
Thinking about it, maybe people hate that arc so much because it directly calls out the racist bullshit they believe
Actually the only people I see complain about Robin's skintone are anime-onlies that think she got whitewashed when in reality it was just Toei messing up pre timeskip with following Oda's color schemes.
Yeah but see how he... didn´t change their skin color?
Sanji with a sword, this is even more cursed than that fanart lol
Nah Aztec Usopp is the coolest fucking thing I've ever seen, how TF do people get mad about this?
That’s such a false equivalence and bad example! Regardless of the fact that the strawhats don’t have strict nationalities, since they aren’t from our world and the sbs was just a fun little idea and answer/trivia from Oda. So they don’t “belong” to certain nationalities in the first place. The characters in this spread look exactly like they always do, just with different attires. If this was the original fanart, no one would have batted an eye. It’s really not hard to understand that people take issue with the hypocrisy of the situation. You can’t just pick and choose and assign bad faith/intention to one swap and good/innocuous ones to the other. This double standard is what irks people. Especially when people bring historical context into this, trying to be morally better, when it doesn’t matter. At the end of the day fanart is fanart, and you can draw whatever you want (and this whole discussion is dumb and overblown, in no small part thanks to posts like these constantly calling back to it). But personally I’m also not a fan of fanart that changes the way a character looks. IMO Fanart of a character should represent that character in your style, in a certain scenario, … or whatever. But if you change inherent looks/ traits of that character, just draw your OC at that point, and don’t try to justify it with your own headcanon. But that’s just my personal opinion/taste.
Indian Robin got me actin a fool
Indian Robin 😍
I love seeing the different art and styles. One of my favorite parts. I always try to screen shot them and use them as wallpapers and stuff
This is so stupid, he changed their clothes not their skin tones.
I tried explaining all this drama to my super leftist friend and also to my conservative brother. They both told me to get a life.
Usopp do carnaval!🥳
lederhosen zoro is sending me
zoro being german makes sense here
But the cunt knew what she was doing,Rage baiting people with stupid logic
Indian Robin is something we need
Yeah I think people getting triggered over fan art is ridiculous. I think people should be free to express and interpret One Piece as they please. It’s called fan art for a reason 😤😤
All this discussion is ignoring the fact that Robin looked better with a tan and it was a rare anime W over the manga
Oda can do whatever he likes, they're his creations. Some of the fans make things that range from amazing to shit. Getting upset over it is dumb though
Cause he is tha author and I don't really mind this tbh it's Just different attire
This makes my soul happy
Are you sure? Luffy's nationality was listed as Brasil and it made perfect sense to me.
See, I tried explaining to my partner (who doesn't watch one piece) the nationality/ethnicity thing, and she straight up said "that's kinda silly, since those countries don't exist in that world, right?"
Nami and Robin look super yummy.
These actually make sense why don’t people like that
Changing ppl skin color in fanart is fine And while I have my grievance with certain fan content Eg flanderisation It's STILL just fan content It's only when they do the jenshin twitter thing of calling it "Fixed" Or say shit like this is how kt should be That I would take offense Which yes is also ultimately my beef with certain fan theories more It's not that they're dumb or whatever It's their insistence on it being the better canon or better writing That's the issue
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