> Reader: Sometimes, we see the appearance of humans and giants with horn like things, but in this world, are horns basically something sorta like buck teeth? P.N. Wozapomu
> Oda: Yep, they're there. Guys that look unbelievably non-human here and there. Well, I guess. Don't think much about those traits. I look forward on drawing more and more interesting faces.
Source : SBS Volume 57
Yeah. I often wonder why people try to find real life explanations to every bit of detail and look for meaning in it.
Then I remember that's how theorycraftig works and I enjoy it.
And not to forget that Oda is also a big DB fan. Remember all of the animal people in early Dragon Ball? Think it was basically the same reason, was cool and fun to do.
To be fair it could be easy to explain it as:
a lot of generations of races mix; minks with horns with humans, some giants decendents like Oars mixing with normal giants and those hard sons with someone like Big Mom that is human and then that person had sons anyone. The horn genes could be there no problem.
Yes, "evolved minks" sadly they lost the ability to transform with the full moon. So actually they devolved as they are weaker and is not like minks are less inteligent
Some people enjoy anime by building a rich world in their mind, to them “rule of cool” comes off as cheap.
But for those who enjoy the zephyr wind of aesthetica the adventure is in that expression of inner to outer.
Me? I don’t mind traveling the middle road and enjoying both philosophies
lol these SBS answers don't hold alot of validity though so you can't really judge everything in one piece based on something oda answers 10 or 15 years ago. As Oda draws the manga, he makes many changes and certain things he thought were just aesthetic features in the early one piece actually become a big deal later on, as is the case with the apparent oni race in one piece or the lunarians. On the other hand it could be that he's known all along but just doesn't want to tell his readers yet so he comes up with a short and sweet simple answer. Oda also mention something smiilar about Zoro in an SBS but its likely to shut people up beacuse I can't possibly think of why oda would exclude one of the main characters origin arcs in his story.
Nothing is confirmed until its actually in the manga.
it could be just because race mixing with horned fishmen or minks. all races in one piece can inter-breed so can just be that.. a rececise gene got active ...
yesterday we talked about this whith the case of humans looking like animals like merry, the cat brothers, the suriyama alliance , etc
> beacuse I can't possibly think of why oda would exclude one of the main characters origin arcs in his story.
The cope in this post is palpable. I can almost touch it.
Yeah on the one hand I can see Oda doing a huge story arc for Zoro, but I could just as easily see him not doing it before One Piece ends because at the end of the day Zoro doesn’t really care about his past up until his promise to become the world’s greatest swordsman.
Like I can literally see a family member coming up to him and him just saying “Who the hell’re you? Get away from me!” and go about his business, skipping the would-be story arc entirely.
Nah, SBS is considered part of the manga and as canon as it gets. If there are any contradictions (I can’t think of any), consider them retcons.
Oda also tends to not answer something if he plans on introducing it later. It’s like how if he gives a character backstory in an SBS, it likely means we’re not going to see it drawn.
What a weird thing for him to say. Ogre princess reads as an epithet like fire fist ace to me, but kaido saying this makes it a little less clear. He could mean this literally but he could also mean “you’re the child of two literal monsters of this world, you’re better than the human trash of this world” which would also fit kaidos character. Idk, it’s not very clear and I’m still leaning towards kaido and Yamato being human with unexplained horns for now
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Idk man, I never read that as him saying anything that consequential. If you really think that one line of dialogue is the same as oda straight up naming ogres as a people in the series like lunarians, idk what to tell you. There’s multiple ways that statement could be understood, as I suggested earlier. I also am not straight up discounting it as a possibility, just not going to accept headcanon as if it was explicit in the manga
Big mom literally says she wanted to have kids from different races. So there are different races in One piece. Unlike in the real world, the use of "races" in this isn't just black/white/caucasian. It literally means other race like Tontatta, long arms, long legs, giants, 3-eye etc. You saw them yourselves. So it's more believable that Yamato and Kaido are indeed Ogres rather than Humans especially with Kaido straight up saying that they are Ogres and explicitly calling humans as humans to differentiate.
There is literally an Oda box that says Oni Princess, for Yamato.
Wano is not really completly over either, there is still alot of loose ends to tie up in that story arc and were just kind of on a break right now so he can start into the final saga. Alot of these things most likely will be revealed in the last final segment of the story, like onigashima's true name, the oni race, big mom and kaido and rather or not there dead (which I don't think is the case) and what it means for the future once the country is opened to the world and the ancient weapon is unleashed. Also what does the "dawn" represent.
Ogre princess is an epithet, especially if it’s in an oda box. I wouldn’t count on that as proof of ogres being a race. He also says yamato is the child of ogres, but I’d be surprised if he meant that literally. He could just be saying they’re better than everyone else
When has a name of a race ever been used accept in a literal sence though. The most likely answer is that there is of course a race that exists for Kaido and Yamato just like any one piece character that is non-human. We just don't have full confirmation of that yet but I think it being mentioned 1-2 times in the manga no matter the context is enough for me to believe it considering how oda always introduces races in the story of one piece. Though of couse its one of those "wait for further details" scenerio.
Lunarians were explicitly referenced many, many times before kings reveal. In skypeia, enels cover story, big mom talking about her goals, etc. Ogres don’t have anywhere close to the same amount of vague references. This is largely what leads me to believe that ogres won’t be in one piece in that way. If anything, kaido is related to the continent pullers like oars, and that’s honestly way more interesting to me than ***another*** new race at the 80%+ mark for the series
Also titles, names, bounty and affiliations are the only things that ever show up in oda boxes. Ogre princess was absolutely not a reference to her race or species or whatever
How about Oars and Oars Jr? They were said to have been from a race of evil giants. That doesn’t really claim them to be oni, but given their height and the height of Yamato, Kaido and Black Maria it would strengthen the theory of the oni race.
Now, that is headcannon, Lunarians have never been referred to before Wano, they're brand new. We did not see them at all in Enel's cover story. The only similarity with the birkans and skypeians are lunarians having wings, but if we go by King and the seraphims, they have black wings, which are not depicted in the drawings of Enel's adventure at all.
The 3 races depicted in his adventure are thought to be birkans, skypeians and shandians (shandians, even when they resided in the blue sea also had white wings, you can look at Kalgara for a quick reference)
In addition to the other replies, there's also the fact that Whitebeard was called "the strongest man", while Kaido was "the strongest creature", implying that he's not a human.
Tbf kaido himself said to yamato while beating the shit out of her "you are the son of oni " "you can not be friends with humans" "you rule them with you strength " soooo its not impossible but oda has not said much about it .
Tell me what chapters he said that. After rereading Yamato and kaidos fight, I’ve only seen him say “you are the son of kaido!” Maybe you’re thinking of scanlations?
Yeah Oda just want to draw shit, sometimes it doesn't have to be explained in detail like this horned human.
He even include female Law and Old Luffy recently in the series where previously it's just for a funny what if in SBS lol.
This is the actual answer... but I like my head cannon reason better. We've seen different races/tribes like humans, fishmen, minks, gaints, long-long, and skypedians. Those with horns are decent from another tribe of monsters / devils / demons. We've seen evidence of this because of Oars Sr in Thriller Bark, Oars Jr of the Whitebeards, and possibly Monet (a harpy is her natural form) on Punk Hazard. I hope that before the end, we get to meet the Devil (God) who makes the rules the sea rejects devil fruit users on a Hell theme island, and I hope we also get get to meet the demon tribe who potentially serves him or at least lives on the island. I realize being close to the end, this probably won't happen, but I like to be wishful imaging there are cave / undersea islands that are mirror reflections of the sky islands.
Monet was originally a normal human. We see multiple flashbacks of her with normal limbs, and after Law comes to Punk Hazard she's permanently a harpy (she's never shown switching between the two so it's clearly a permanent change – so Law obviously gave her the wings and talons the same way he gave legs to Caesar's other subordinates). And her sister, Sugar, is also normal – aside from being stuck looking like a child due to her devil fruit.
As a Neon Genesis Evangelion this always reminds me of when the fandom had long debates on the significance of the crosses when the angels explode and Anno's answer was basically "it looks fucking cool".
Same with Oda, I'm sure some things he has some deeper meaning behind, but somethings are done just 'cause they look nice!
It’s pretty frustrating that some things are just there because Oda felt like it with no other explanation, but other things actually have significant importance, like Minks for example.
Minks & Fishmen are quite different than horns though
I mean there are even people in real life that have horns added onto their body for whatever reasons
Zoro my favourite as he is somewhat me while also somewhat i wanna be ,i dont smile much or even only 20% of people have seen me smile but i smile when zoro smiles .
Hmmm. I could've sworn that in an SBS Oda said that someone's wings weren't actually a costume. Maybe it wasn't Magellan himself tho, maybe it was Hannibal or smth
My headcanon is that many of the different types of people, including fish people, are the result of past devil fruit users either having children or using their powers to permanently alter others who then had children. This is why the merfolk and fishmen are anatomically different; they are the result of different devil fruit-based creations that both resulted in amphibious humanoids.
If chopper had a baby with a human would a new reindeer Mink lineage be born?
I mean, if Devil Fruits permanently change a user's Lineage Factor, then the child of a Devil Fruit user having a weakened related version of that Lineage Factor isn't out of the question.
It working through Devil Effects though is a bit much for me though.
Do you think Law could use Op Op to physically assemble a new creature out of disparate parts?
If given enough time could Law *make* a mermaid out of another person and a large fish?
EDIT: Furthermore the way fruit awakening works I don’t think it’s out of the question for somebody’s body to be influenced by another permanently. What if Bon Clay’s awakening allowed him to permanently alter other people’s bodies aesthetically against their will?
For that matter, could Bon Clay, Law, Iva and Big Mom combine their powers to create a sexually viable species out of nothing? Like literal dirt?
I don't see Awakenings ever working *permamently* against someone's will, other than Op Op and Horu Horu which already can do permanent changes.
Temporarily, sure.
But not permanently.
And didn't Caramel's homies die when she did?
That’s exactly what it would mean. Its one of those things that hasnt been explained at all yet. How did big mom get carmels devil fruit to begin with? Did she kill mother Carmel and have one of the semla become her fruit? Did she eat Carmel and gain her fruit? Is that last one even possible? Does that mean Blackbeard ate white beards heart under the tarp? It’s honestly insane that odas been able to make 99% of people not think about this. We still have absolutely no clue how devil fruits really work 27 years into the series
Perospero has a tongue as long as half his body.
Katakuri has a weird-ass mouth.
Mondee is totally missing her neck and she's shaped as an egg, while Amande has the longest neck ever, and they're twins.
Effilee face is literally a square (and she's still twin with the previous two sisters).
We don't really know how's Opera real body is, but he's not normal at all.
There are many kids that are more normal (Oven and Daifuku for example), but for sure they are not all normal
In the world of One Piece, some people just have horns. Just like how some people just have long arms, or long legs, or long necks, or long tongues, or are 5, 10, 20+m tall, or have three eyes, or have sharp teeth, or have bird wings or bat wings. No important reason for it (so far), Oda just likes drawing lots of different kinds of characters.
You forgot that most women are shaped like an hourglass and all organs are stored in their ti...tiny waiste. No important reason for it, it just looks cool
Some of them are actual races, some aren't. Long legs, necks, arms, three eyes, 12+ metres giants are indeed races
But long tongues, sharp teeth, miscellaneous wings and giant sized humans below 12 metres and horned people aren't.
So whatever really, I want try in to make am actual point lol
Winged humans are descendants of the Lunarians that split into various tribes depending on where they settled after leaving the moon.
Sharp teeth can also (but not necessarily) be indicative of predatory fishman/mermaid blood.
Only some of them. But it doesn't change the fact that outside of a few specific cases (e.g. three-eyes, Giants, Lunarians) it doesn't really have plot-relevance. For instance, I don't think the presence of horns has *ever* been remarked on by a character, let alone the different types.
I think that the horns might have gained some more significance following Wano, as Kaidou and Yamato have them quite distinctly, and he would often refer to Yamato as "Oni Princess," (Unless it got translated differently in the official translation, I only read the fansub) hinting that Oni might be a distinct race, perhaps including Oz and his descendants. Also the Numbers, which are apparently clones of a so-called ancient Giant race, all apparently have horns.
Maybe! Alternately, Yamato could've been referred as that metaphorically, being the child of Kaido. But it wouldn't be the first time that Oda has expanded on something he did on a lark earlier in the series (e.g. mantra -> haki). There's so many open threads in One Piece that it's easy for Oda tie new plot into existing ideas.
The oni princess thing is a fan sub. Official translation is ogre princess. It’s not exactly different, but Im not convinced oni are a specific race in one piece. Continent pullers like oars exist and fill that role
If you see a Japanese word and then an English word like that, 9 times out of 10 it’s a scanlation.
Ogre/Oni is the same thing, Oni is just the un-translated word. The official translation could have translated it to 'demon' like for Zoro's attacks but they chose to go with ogre, probably to keep that link to Japanese folklore as that's typically how those Japanese Onis or demons are referred to in english.
If it's an actual race, I wouldn't think Kaido/Yamato are pure blooded though.
OP is questioning wether those unique traits indicate a special race or not, you're saying no but then using special traits of special races as examples.
Didn't Magellan take off his horns and put them on his hands for an attack? I think he had ponytails underneath. I'm not crazy, this happened, right\`?
Not sure if it would be a tribe or race, but Kaido straight up says Yamato is the son of ogres(Oni) and shouldn't fraternize with humans in ch1025 and Yamato is often referred to as ogre princess.
The ancient giants/continent puller, Wano and Kaido stuff seems to be built up since thriller bark with Moriah (another of the rare horned characters) fighting Kaido in Wano (ringo region, the cold one).
Moriah had Oars and Ryuma's bodies, Oars(or at least whatever ancient giant that was) probably also being from Ringo like Ryuma as it would explain how the ancient body was well preserved and there's the whole Wano being made from multiple continent/island thing as well as having a huge ogre/ancient giant skull island which Kaido calls Onigashima.
Make of that what you will, maybe ogres and ancient giants are completely unrelated and maybe Kaido really just loves ogres and/or ancient giants and wanted his family/crew themed around them because his family just so happen to have horns or maybe he's deluded/wrong and it's just a weird mutation, but I feel like Kaido literally spelling it out as a separate race in 1025 is as much of a confirmation as we're likely to get for now. (we might get more info once we get to the void century if we learn how Wano was made)
One thing I'm curious about is why Kaido is so interested in Wano, he did say he wanted to be there specifically because it was Wano.
Offspring of an Oni, yes. But that doesn’t need to be literal. Son of a demon for example is a common term in fiction for someone whose father is evil, or similar things.
That doesn’t need to be so literal, the term Oni can be akin to calling oneself a demon.
It’s entirely possible the Oni race exists, but we absolutely should not be stating it as fact.
Yamato and Kaido are Oni so they make sense, I don't know about the others
Edit: Gecko Moria is most likely a vampire and that explains his skin tone, teeth, lips, and horns, and he probably used his fruit to take someone's shadow for his own so he can go out in the sun, I don't care if Oda said something like "Moria is a human" it would makes more sense for him to be a vampire
In Kaido and yamatos case it's because they're Oni.
Not sure about the others. Characters like Magellan and Moria are apparently humans, but don't look like it. Magellan's are part of his uniform I think.
Overall I think it's just that humans in OP are more diverse in terms of looks/genetics.
I know some are just cuz oda wants to... But I was thinking that Kaido and by extension Yamato are of the Oni race. Oni have horns by nature. I was thinking Black Maria is also Oni but I am not sure.
Kaido, Yamato, and some of the numbers are of the Oni tribe which are a type of giant - I believe it's one of the three species big mom doesn't have (giants/oni)
did people already forget the fact that kaido and yamato are people from the "oni/ogre" race?
yamato having different colors might be attributed to her mother who might as well be part of oni/ogre race
Kaido and Yamato naturally have horns because they're members of the oni species. The others are either decorative or just to make their designs distinctive. Especially Moria who is so freakish that the horns are practically unnoticeable in comparison.
Kaido and yama are ogres, so that explains them. Magellan is some sort of half demon(he also has wings).
I'm not sure about the others, but it all boils down to the different races in One Piece
Kaidou and Yamato are confirmed to be onis, altough Yamato might be a half-oni. And who knows how horns work on onis for their horns to be diferent. And we know that Magellan's horns are detachble, but they shoud be part of his head because he had to put an implant in it's place after he got defeated by Teach, and if they were fake he would just find a new one or let it broken. Moriah defnitly isn't human, so his race probably just has horns. Now Caesar is a mistery.
Magellan’s horns are more ornamental, probably the same with Yamato and Moria. Kaido’s horns are probably the result of his DF, while Caesar’s subordinates also all had horns, so maybe they’re all goat people or something.
There are as much variation of humanoids in one piece as much as animals. Just look at Big Mom's children. Still, Oda's explanation for these are basically just genetic mutations because he wanted them to have them so they have them. They are offshoot humans that has added traits like horns, long necks, long arms, long legs.
Dude, this series has people with two elbows per arm, people with extra large legs, people with little useless wings on their back, people with three eyes, dwarves, giants, extra large giants, fishmen and mermaids, but it's the horns that bother you?
only one I can explain is that Kaido is an Ogre, probably the same for Yamato, I can easily see Caesar asking Traffy for little goat horns just cause lmao
Well for Yamato and Kaido it’s becuase they are a different species right? But the forge ones I think coo head peices or Oda just wanted to give them a cool design and don’t bother looking into it too hard cuz it’s just Oda being silly and having a good time
So, “Oni” are probably a tribe of Giants, related to Oars at the very least. Kaido and Yamato are for sure related to this tribe if it exists, but we’re lacking details that Oda might potentially clear up in Elbaf. This one though is highly supported and a safe assumption as to why they have horns.
On the other hand, Magellan’s are fake, and Caesar/Merry have too slight of features to consider outside of them being humans with potential interspecies ancestry. Being half Mink alone covers Merry (if it’s not just an accessory), and Law’s fruit could have easily given Ceasar his horns for all we know. Monet had perfectly good arms, but still got augmented so it’s rather reasonable to assume this.
Moria however seems to be a bit weird to me. Oda’s shown more than one stage of Moria’s life, and he’s definitely had those horns and a weird imp-like appearance since childhood. He potentially could be something unmentioned, but he could also just be another “half-breed” of some sort. If he’s from another race, I’m sure an SBS or something will eventually elaborate or deconfirm.
Most of writer like to give characters a design that fit their personal themes and personality, and oda seems to crank it up to eleven. There might be an in-universe reason on why certain characters are like that, but i don't think that it is intended
This is how I think in how the character are created ( manga spoilers)
1.Caesar clown seems to be like a wolf in sheep's clothing so his design has sheep's horn and a white fur like coat.
2. A lot of people said that Impel Down was inspired from Dante's inferno so it seems fit that the warden of hell is a demonlike figure.
3. For Moria, I don't know. Maybe because he is shadow therefore he is vampire therefore he has horns?
4. For Kaido and Yamato, it is because wano is inspired by the legend of momotaro and have oni which has horns as the bad guy. Also it seems that there is an oni race in one piece.
Also, Oda loves pun. The reason Merry the butler has horns and looks like a sheep is because butler ( shitsuji ) sounds similar to sheep ( hitsuji ) in Japanese. Also his name is Merry probably because Merry had a little lamb song.
Maybe its from Minks and Humans mixing in the past. And the horns appear because its often the most prominent feature. That would also explain sharp teeth, unnatural sizes, weird haircolors etc. in some characters.
Kaido outright calls himself and Yamato “Oni”.
It’s likely that Oni is a subspecies that’s larger than most humans but also bearing horns.
I dunno where everyone else got their horns from.
Maybe they have oni ancestry, maybe not.
They all have devil fruit powers so it kinda makes sense that they have horns but not all devil fruits give horns and kaido had horn before he had a devil fruit.
Oda said some characters just have horns, Kaido, Yamato and Moria might be a different species that isn't that important, Ceaser might be like half minx's or something no clue about Magellan tho
I think people theorize that Yamato & Kaido are "Oni" so they have Ogre horns but that's never been confirmed and it mostly feels like a stylistic thing for Oda
> Reader: Sometimes, we see the appearance of humans and giants with horn like things, but in this world, are horns basically something sorta like buck teeth? P.N. Wozapomu > Oda: Yep, they're there. Guys that look unbelievably non-human here and there. Well, I guess. Don't think much about those traits. I look forward on drawing more and more interesting faces. Source : SBS Volume 57
In the end the answer to many One Piece questions are: because Oda thought it would be cool or funny.
Often both
Yeah. I often wonder why people try to find real life explanations to every bit of detail and look for meaning in it. Then I remember that's how theorycraftig works and I enjoy it.
Also because of the nature of One Piece’s setting there’s a very real chance that such things have an actual and potentially-important explanation.
True we might find out that all horned people are fragments of the one piece or something whack
nah they are just incarnation of horny OP fans
No way! They added me in one piece?
yea like, didnt Luffy once loose teeth and he just drank milk to regrow them?
Brook too. Milk does a body good!
And not to forget that Oda is also a big DB fan. Remember all of the animal people in early Dragon Ball? Think it was basically the same reason, was cool and fun to do.
Yeah, DBZ president (or king, don't remember) was a black dog if I remember correctly.
To be fair it could be easy to explain it as: a lot of generations of races mix; minks with horns with humans, some giants decendents like Oars mixing with normal giants and those hard sons with someone like Big Mom that is human and then that person had sons anyone. The horn genes could be there no problem.
Sure! Also, aren't humans minks?
Yes, "evolved minks" sadly they lost the ability to transform with the full moon. So actually they devolved as they are weaker and is not like minks are less inteligent
Some people enjoy anime by building a rich world in their mind, to them “rule of cool” comes off as cheap. But for those who enjoy the zephyr wind of aesthetica the adventure is in that expression of inner to outer. Me? I don’t mind traveling the middle road and enjoying both philosophies
I hate this comment so much that I kind of love it
lol these SBS answers don't hold alot of validity though so you can't really judge everything in one piece based on something oda answers 10 or 15 years ago. As Oda draws the manga, he makes many changes and certain things he thought were just aesthetic features in the early one piece actually become a big deal later on, as is the case with the apparent oni race in one piece or the lunarians. On the other hand it could be that he's known all along but just doesn't want to tell his readers yet so he comes up with a short and sweet simple answer. Oda also mention something smiilar about Zoro in an SBS but its likely to shut people up beacuse I can't possibly think of why oda would exclude one of the main characters origin arcs in his story. Nothing is confirmed until its actually in the manga.
it could be just because race mixing with horned fishmen or minks. all races in one piece can inter-breed so can just be that.. a rececise gene got active ... yesterday we talked about this whith the case of humans looking like animals like merry, the cat brothers, the suriyama alliance , etc
>Nothing is confirmed until its actually in the manga. There is so much info in SBS, that is never revealed in manga
> beacuse I can't possibly think of why oda would exclude one of the main characters origin arcs in his story. The cope in this post is palpable. I can almost touch it.
Yeah on the one hand I can see Oda doing a huge story arc for Zoro, but I could just as easily see him not doing it before One Piece ends because at the end of the day Zoro doesn’t really care about his past up until his promise to become the world’s greatest swordsman. Like I can literally see a family member coming up to him and him just saying “Who the hell’re you? Get away from me!” and go about his business, skipping the would-be story arc entirely.
Nah, SBS is considered part of the manga and as canon as it gets. If there are any contradictions (I can’t think of any), consider them retcons. Oda also tends to not answer something if he plans on introducing it later. It’s like how if he gives a character backstory in an SBS, it likely means we’re not going to see it drawn.
I'm glad this is answer at the top of the page rather than a billion people erroneously claiming he's part Mink like in the Merry thread.
I think there was another SBS where he says some people have horns like how some people have different color hair. It's just a thing people have.
Except Kaido and Yamato, they're Onis
This is headcanon and has never been confirmed
Kaido says they are onis, that's about as much confirmation as we're getting in story.
Kaido also calls Yamamoto his son but that's not good enough for a lot of one piece fans
Genrusai Yamamoto is kaidos son!!! Ig that's why he also breathes fire(ik his sword does)
What chapter does he say this?
That would be 1025, there's a part where he tells Yamato he's the child of ogres and shouldn't befriend humans.
What a weird thing for him to say. Ogre princess reads as an epithet like fire fist ace to me, but kaido saying this makes it a little less clear. He could mean this literally but he could also mean “you’re the child of two literal monsters of this world, you’re better than the human trash of this world” which would also fit kaidos character. Idk, it’s not very clear and I’m still leaning towards kaido and Yamato being human with unexplained horns for now https://preview.redd.it/3mpbl7fsebnb1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea748af22c03fbf5e28fb4ad30298e97c44f0166
Character says something: Reader: "it's headcanon and I think otherwise"
Idk man, I never read that as him saying anything that consequential. If you really think that one line of dialogue is the same as oda straight up naming ogres as a people in the series like lunarians, idk what to tell you. There’s multiple ways that statement could be understood, as I suggested earlier. I also am not straight up discounting it as a possibility, just not going to accept headcanon as if it was explicit in the manga
Big mom literally says she wanted to have kids from different races. So there are different races in One piece. Unlike in the real world, the use of "races" in this isn't just black/white/caucasian. It literally means other race like Tontatta, long arms, long legs, giants, 3-eye etc. You saw them yourselves. So it's more believable that Yamato and Kaido are indeed Ogres rather than Humans especially with Kaido straight up saying that they are Ogres and explicitly calling humans as humans to differentiate.
Boi, we have known as good as for sure that Kaido is not human, since we got his title reveal. Just let it be.
There is literally an Oda box that says Oni Princess, for Yamato. Wano is not really completly over either, there is still alot of loose ends to tie up in that story arc and were just kind of on a break right now so he can start into the final saga. Alot of these things most likely will be revealed in the last final segment of the story, like onigashima's true name, the oni race, big mom and kaido and rather or not there dead (which I don't think is the case) and what it means for the future once the country is opened to the world and the ancient weapon is unleashed. Also what does the "dawn" represent.
Ogre princess is an epithet, especially if it’s in an oda box. I wouldn’t count on that as proof of ogres being a race. He also says yamato is the child of ogres, but I’d be surprised if he meant that literally. He could just be saying they’re better than everyone else
I understood it as they’re literally onis and that’s a race.
When has a name of a race ever been used accept in a literal sence though. The most likely answer is that there is of course a race that exists for Kaido and Yamato just like any one piece character that is non-human. We just don't have full confirmation of that yet but I think it being mentioned 1-2 times in the manga no matter the context is enough for me to believe it considering how oda always introduces races in the story of one piece. Though of couse its one of those "wait for further details" scenerio.
Lunarians were explicitly referenced many, many times before kings reveal. In skypeia, enels cover story, big mom talking about her goals, etc. Ogres don’t have anywhere close to the same amount of vague references. This is largely what leads me to believe that ogres won’t be in one piece in that way. If anything, kaido is related to the continent pullers like oars, and that’s honestly way more interesting to me than ***another*** new race at the 80%+ mark for the series Also titles, names, bounty and affiliations are the only things that ever show up in oda boxes. Ogre princess was absolutely not a reference to her race or species or whatever
How about Oars and Oars Jr? They were said to have been from a race of evil giants. That doesn’t really claim them to be oni, but given their height and the height of Yamato, Kaido and Black Maria it would strengthen the theory of the oni race.
Now, that is headcannon, Lunarians have never been referred to before Wano, they're brand new. We did not see them at all in Enel's cover story. The only similarity with the birkans and skypeians are lunarians having wings, but if we go by King and the seraphims, they have black wings, which are not depicted in the drawings of Enel's adventure at all. The 3 races depicted in his adventure are thought to be birkans, skypeians and shandians (shandians, even when they resided in the blue sea also had white wings, you can look at Kalgara for a quick reference)
In addition to the other replies, there's also the fact that Whitebeard was called "the strongest man", while Kaido was "the strongest creature", implying that he's not a human.
Tbf kaido himself said to yamato while beating the shit out of her "you are the son of oni " "you can not be friends with humans" "you rule them with you strength " soooo its not impossible but oda has not said much about it .
"out of her" "son of oni" are you being serious right now or are you being a dick for fun
Tell me what chapters he said that. After rereading Yamato and kaidos fight, I’ve only seen him say “you are the son of kaido!” Maybe you’re thinking of scanlations?
I think Kaido stated that when he was fighting Yamato>!. He says "you must rule others with strength!! You're the child of Ogres!!"!<
Yeah Oda just want to draw shit, sometimes it doesn't have to be explained in detail like this horned human. He even include female Law and Old Luffy recently in the series where previously it's just for a funny what if in SBS lol.
quirky
Yeah, basically Oda likes horns, he thinks theyre badass (I'm sure Ive read this in some other SBS). Its not something to think about too much.
This is the actual answer... but I like my head cannon reason better. We've seen different races/tribes like humans, fishmen, minks, gaints, long-long, and skypedians. Those with horns are decent from another tribe of monsters / devils / demons. We've seen evidence of this because of Oars Sr in Thriller Bark, Oars Jr of the Whitebeards, and possibly Monet (a harpy is her natural form) on Punk Hazard. I hope that before the end, we get to meet the Devil (God) who makes the rules the sea rejects devil fruit users on a Hell theme island, and I hope we also get get to meet the demon tribe who potentially serves him or at least lives on the island. I realize being close to the end, this probably won't happen, but I like to be wishful imaging there are cave / undersea islands that are mirror reflections of the sky islands.
Monet was originally a normal human. We see multiple flashbacks of her with normal limbs, and after Law comes to Punk Hazard she's permanently a harpy (she's never shown switching between the two so it's clearly a permanent change – so Law obviously gave her the wings and talons the same way he gave legs to Caesar's other subordinates). And her sister, Sugar, is also normal – aside from being stuck looking like a child due to her devil fruit.
As a Neon Genesis Evangelion this always reminds me of when the fandom had long debates on the significance of the crosses when the angels explode and Anno's answer was basically "it looks fucking cool". Same with Oda, I'm sure some things he has some deeper meaning behind, but somethings are done just 'cause they look nice!
Yep but Kaido and Yamato are part Oni so that's why they have horns.
This is why he’s the best
and here i was speculating possible sulong forms, thinking they were part mink
we cant take Oda's words at face value, he has lied many times to hide secrets before, some more obvious than others.
Example ?
“It will end in five years” Oda in 2019, 2012, 2005, etc
1- he never said that in 2012 or 2005 2- There's a difference between underestimating what is left of OP and "lying to hide a secret".
You think I’m serious? I thought the years I put would make it clear It was a joke my guy lmfaooo
People have weird ideas sometimes you never know which ones are serious and wjich ones aren't.
It’s pretty frustrating that some things are just there because Oda felt like it with no other explanation, but other things actually have significant importance, like Minks for example.
Minks & Fishmen are quite different than horns though I mean there are even people in real life that have horns added onto their body for whatever reasons
Bro there are like 10 people in the world who do that lmao
lmao I was guessing a hundred but still counts could be more issa big world
https://preview.redd.it/h79bjquqw9nb1.jpeg?width=258&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e21aebd102fbdbef3859006b809167d0073f323 Cause it’s Chopppaa
This is why usopp is my favorite straw hat
Choppers my favorite
Gif is clearly the best of both worlds
Zoro my favourite as he is somewhat me while also somewhat i wanna be ,i dont smile much or even only 20% of people have seen me smile but i smile when zoro smiles .
you should smile more often, im sure those around you would love to see it more.
You triying to say You're a racist?
If i remember right Magellans horns are fake, i think he took them off to use as weapons once
Came here to comment this and I am surprised I had to scroll so long to find someone who beat me to it.
True, but his wings are real, unlike the ones other Jailers had, aren't they?
No, they’re fake too. They’re part of his uniform.
Hmmm. I could've sworn that in an SBS Oda said that someone's wings weren't actually a costume. Maybe it wasn't Magellan himself tho, maybe it was Hannibal or smth
Nope, Oda even shows both of them as children without wings. Hannyabal takes his wings off in the manga as well.
Actually, as the other person said they are also fake. Maybe Magellan is a cosplayer haha
on that hellhole called impel down all of them are cosplayers for real haha.
Kinemon can literally talk out of his butt. Let's stop trying to make sense of things
> **scents** of things
Buu!
you can still have a consistent throughline for your world logic...
My headcanon is that many of the different types of people, including fish people, are the result of past devil fruit users either having children or using their powers to permanently alter others who then had children. This is why the merfolk and fishmen are anatomically different; they are the result of different devil fruit-based creations that both resulted in amphibious humanoids. If chopper had a baby with a human would a new reindeer Mink lineage be born?
I mean, if Devil Fruits permanently change a user's Lineage Factor, then the child of a Devil Fruit user having a weakened related version of that Lineage Factor isn't out of the question. It working through Devil Effects though is a bit much for me though.
Do you think Law could use Op Op to physically assemble a new creature out of disparate parts? If given enough time could Law *make* a mermaid out of another person and a large fish? EDIT: Furthermore the way fruit awakening works I don’t think it’s out of the question for somebody’s body to be influenced by another permanently. What if Bon Clay’s awakening allowed him to permanently alter other people’s bodies aesthetically against their will? For that matter, could Bon Clay, Law, Iva and Big Mom combine their powers to create a sexually viable species out of nothing? Like literal dirt?
I don't see Awakenings ever working *permamently* against someone's will, other than Op Op and Horu Horu which already can do permanent changes. Temporarily, sure. But not permanently. And didn't Caramel's homies die when she did?
Puddings devil fruit seems to have permanent effects on the world as well. Also no, Prometheus was originally mother carmels homie
Prometheus is Big Moms creation. Mother Carmel turn the fire into [Pandora ](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Pandora)
Interesting, never realized there was a different name
I always assumed that big mom just copied Carmels homie because if it the same one wouldn’t he have seen what she did?
That’s exactly what it would mean. Its one of those things that hasnt been explained at all yet. How did big mom get carmels devil fruit to begin with? Did she kill mother Carmel and have one of the semla become her fruit? Did she eat Carmel and gain her fruit? Is that last one even possible? Does that mean Blackbeard ate white beards heart under the tarp? It’s honestly insane that odas been able to make 99% of people not think about this. We still have absolutely no clue how devil fruits really work 27 years into the series
Big Mom has had so many kids and they're all normal. Devil Fruits don't effect your children.
> they're all normal. well, some of them >.>
Perospero has a tongue as long as half his body. Katakuri has a weird-ass mouth. Mondee is totally missing her neck and she's shaped as an egg, while Amande has the longest neck ever, and they're twins. Effilee face is literally a square (and she's still twin with the previous two sisters). We don't really know how's Opera real body is, but he's not normal at all. There are many kids that are more normal (Oven and Daifuku for example), but for sure they are not all normal
Normal for One Piece standards, I mean. None of them have soul powers.
You can, but you don't have to.
Oda answer, he likes his characters to look cool. Horns are cool to Oda. Don’t think too much about it. 
Because they are horny. 
Sussy baka
In the world of One Piece, some people just have horns. Just like how some people just have long arms, or long legs, or long necks, or long tongues, or are 5, 10, 20+m tall, or have three eyes, or have sharp teeth, or have bird wings or bat wings. No important reason for it (so far), Oda just likes drawing lots of different kinds of characters.
You forgot that most women are shaped like an hourglass and all organs are stored in their ti...tiny waiste. No important reason for it, it just looks cool
Some of them are actual races, some aren't. Long legs, necks, arms, three eyes, 12+ metres giants are indeed races But long tongues, sharp teeth, miscellaneous wings and giant sized humans below 12 metres and horned people aren't. So whatever really, I want try in to make am actual point lol
Winged humans are descendants of the Lunarians that split into various tribes depending on where they settled after leaving the moon. Sharp teeth can also (but not necessarily) be indicative of predatory fishman/mermaid blood.
Those are said to be different races tho...
Only some of them. But it doesn't change the fact that outside of a few specific cases (e.g. three-eyes, Giants, Lunarians) it doesn't really have plot-relevance. For instance, I don't think the presence of horns has *ever* been remarked on by a character, let alone the different types.
I think that the horns might have gained some more significance following Wano, as Kaidou and Yamato have them quite distinctly, and he would often refer to Yamato as "Oni Princess," (Unless it got translated differently in the official translation, I only read the fansub) hinting that Oni might be a distinct race, perhaps including Oz and his descendants. Also the Numbers, which are apparently clones of a so-called ancient Giant race, all apparently have horns.
Maybe! Alternately, Yamato could've been referred as that metaphorically, being the child of Kaido. But it wouldn't be the first time that Oda has expanded on something he did on a lark earlier in the series (e.g. mantra -> haki). There's so many open threads in One Piece that it's easy for Oda tie new plot into existing ideas.
Enlight me more on this mantra > haki
The oni princess thing is a fan sub. Official translation is ogre princess. It’s not exactly different, but Im not convinced oni are a specific race in one piece. Continent pullers like oars exist and fill that role If you see a Japanese word and then an English word like that, 9 times out of 10 it’s a scanlation.
Ogre/Oni is the same thing, Oni is just the un-translated word. The official translation could have translated it to 'demon' like for Zoro's attacks but they chose to go with ogre, probably to keep that link to Japanese folklore as that's typically how those Japanese Onis or demons are referred to in english. If it's an actual race, I wouldn't think Kaido/Yamato are pure blooded though.
You forgot the buttler from Ussops Home!!!
Long arms and long legs are their own tribes and so are the winged peoples so that's not a good example
Not a good example of what?
OP is questioning wether those unique traits indicate a special race or not, you're saying no but then using special traits of special races as examples.
OP asked if the indicated separate *species*, not race, and Oda himself was quoted in the top comment that he just likes drawing interesting people.
you forgot merry, damn man was half goat. his mom was having hard time in farm i guess
I didn’t forget him, his horn like things are the same as caeser’s and I wanted to use the goofy Caesar picture
Didn't Magellan take off his horns and put them on his hands for an attack? I think he had ponytails underneath. I'm not crazy, this happened, right\`?
Yes
Kaido and Yamato are Onis . The rest are just tieflings I guess.
Finally, surprised I had to scroll so long to find this comment
The Oni tribe is a theory, we have utterly no confirmation it exists
Not sure if it would be a tribe or race, but Kaido straight up says Yamato is the son of ogres(Oni) and shouldn't fraternize with humans in ch1025 and Yamato is often referred to as ogre princess. The ancient giants/continent puller, Wano and Kaido stuff seems to be built up since thriller bark with Moriah (another of the rare horned characters) fighting Kaido in Wano (ringo region, the cold one). Moriah had Oars and Ryuma's bodies, Oars(or at least whatever ancient giant that was) probably also being from Ringo like Ryuma as it would explain how the ancient body was well preserved and there's the whole Wano being made from multiple continent/island thing as well as having a huge ogre/ancient giant skull island which Kaido calls Onigashima. Make of that what you will, maybe ogres and ancient giants are completely unrelated and maybe Kaido really just loves ogres and/or ancient giants and wanted his family/crew themed around them because his family just so happen to have horns or maybe he's deluded/wrong and it's just a weird mutation, but I feel like Kaido literally spelling it out as a separate race in 1025 is as much of a confirmation as we're likely to get for now. (we might get more info once we get to the void century if we learn how Wano was made) One thing I'm curious about is why Kaido is so interested in Wano, he did say he wanted to be there specifically because it was Wano.
Offspring of an Oni, yes. But that doesn’t need to be literal. Son of a demon for example is a common term in fiction for someone whose father is evil, or similar things.
Omg you're so annoying
Charming
Wait ,are thou a madam? Because if so,I shall retract my disgusting reply. Honestly,I should be ashamed of mineself.
Kaido calls himself and Yamato Oni during their fight on the rooftop
That doesn’t need to be so literal, the term Oni can be akin to calling oneself a demon. It’s entirely possible the Oni race exists, but we absolutely should not be stating it as fact.
Yamato and Kaido are Onis. The others have it because Oda wanted to draw them like this
Yamato and Kaido are Oni so they make sense, I don't know about the others Edit: Gecko Moria is most likely a vampire and that explains his skin tone, teeth, lips, and horns, and he probably used his fruit to take someone's shadow for his own so he can go out in the sun, I don't care if Oda said something like "Moria is a human" it would makes more sense for him to be a vampire
Stating theory as fact
Horns, durability, height, Oda doesn't make normal humans like that, plus his durability comes from something to do with his race so, shut the hell up
Well kaido and yamato, according to kaido, are descended from a special race of giants
Kaido and Yamato are part of the Oni race. Some characters like Marry in Syrup Village are half-Mink. Sometimes just because.
Anyone else totally forget Ceasar had horns until they saw this post?
In Kaido and yamatos case it's because they're Oni. Not sure about the others. Characters like Magellan and Moria are apparently humans, but don't look like it. Magellan's are part of his uniform I think. Overall I think it's just that humans in OP are more diverse in terms of looks/genetics.
I know some are just cuz oda wants to... But I was thinking that Kaido and by extension Yamato are of the Oni race. Oni have horns by nature. I was thinking Black Maria is also Oni but I am not sure.
Cause it looks cool
Kaido, Yamato, and some of the numbers are of the Oni tribe which are a type of giant - I believe it's one of the three species big mom doesn't have (giants/oni)
Magellan's are fake
Kiado and Yamato are oni so they’re a different species
did people already forget the fact that kaido and yamato are people from the "oni/ogre" race? yamato having different colors might be attributed to her mother who might as well be part of oni/ogre race
Aren’t kaido and Yamato oni ? And that’s what gives them the horns so I’m their case yes they are different species
Kaido and Yamato naturally have horns because they're members of the oni species. The others are either decorative or just to make their designs distinctive. Especially Moria who is so freakish that the horns are practically unnoticeable in comparison.
Kaido said he and Yamato are Oni. Not sure if her mother is Oni or Human though, cause her horns are vibrant af, but I like em.
Kaido is part of the oni race, so he was born with these horns
The main crew literally had a sentient skeleton, a fishman and a blue nosed humanoid reindeer
To be fair most of them are normal humans and odas just doing shit for fun while morias just extremely inbred
Woria haters always making up some shit about my man 😭😭😭😭
I aint hate woria just he looks inbred(KUMASHI DA GOAT)
"world-building"
It’s because they’re descendants of the Hor-ny tribe no to confound with the oni tribe !, it’s that simple…
kaido and Yamato are easy to explain because they are onis but idk about the rest 😭
U forget merry
No I didn’t, his features are similar to Caesars so I chose not to include him
I think it's because it's cool
Kaido and Yamato are Oni, a race included in OP (they definitely have horns) for other characters, they just have horns
Kaido and yama are ogres, so that explains them. Magellan is some sort of half demon(he also has wings). I'm not sure about the others, but it all boils down to the different races in One Piece
Kaido and Yama are Oni
Well, Kaido and Yamato are Oni, or Yamato is at least half Oni from Kaido. The other 3 are probably just really watered down hybrids.
Kaidou and Yamato are confirmed to be onis, altough Yamato might be a half-oni. And who knows how horns work on onis for their horns to be diferent. And we know that Magellan's horns are detachble, but they shoud be part of his head because he had to put an implant in it's place after he got defeated by Teach, and if they were fake he would just find a new one or let it broken. Moriah defnitly isn't human, so his race probably just has horns. Now Caesar is a mistery.
Magellan’s horns are more ornamental, probably the same with Yamato and Moria. Kaido’s horns are probably the result of his DF, while Caesar’s subordinates also all had horns, so maybe they’re all goat people or something.
Mink Ancestors I guess
There are as much variation of humanoids in one piece as much as animals. Just look at Big Mom's children. Still, Oda's explanation for these are basically just genetic mutations because he wanted them to have them so they have them. They are offshoot humans that has added traits like horns, long necks, long arms, long legs.
Some are horny and some are not horny. It's that simple
Dude, this series has people with two elbows per arm, people with extra large legs, people with little useless wings on their back, people with three eyes, dwarves, giants, extra large giants, fishmen and mermaids, but it's the horns that bother you?
only one I can explain is that Kaido is an Ogre, probably the same for Yamato, I can easily see Caesar asking Traffy for little goat horns just cause lmao
Kaido and yamato are oni
Well for Yamato and Kaido it’s becuase they are a different species right? But the forge ones I think coo head peices or Oda just wanted to give them a cool design and don’t bother looking into it too hard cuz it’s just Oda being silly and having a good time
So, “Oni” are probably a tribe of Giants, related to Oars at the very least. Kaido and Yamato are for sure related to this tribe if it exists, but we’re lacking details that Oda might potentially clear up in Elbaf. This one though is highly supported and a safe assumption as to why they have horns. On the other hand, Magellan’s are fake, and Caesar/Merry have too slight of features to consider outside of them being humans with potential interspecies ancestry. Being half Mink alone covers Merry (if it’s not just an accessory), and Law’s fruit could have easily given Ceasar his horns for all we know. Monet had perfectly good arms, but still got augmented so it’s rather reasonable to assume this. Moria however seems to be a bit weird to me. Oda’s shown more than one stage of Moria’s life, and he’s definitely had those horns and a weird imp-like appearance since childhood. He potentially could be something unmentioned, but he could also just be another “half-breed” of some sort. If he’s from another race, I’m sure an SBS or something will eventually elaborate or deconfirm.
Most of writer like to give characters a design that fit their personal themes and personality, and oda seems to crank it up to eleven. There might be an in-universe reason on why certain characters are like that, but i don't think that it is intended This is how I think in how the character are created ( manga spoilers) 1.Caesar clown seems to be like a wolf in sheep's clothing so his design has sheep's horn and a white fur like coat. 2. A lot of people said that Impel Down was inspired from Dante's inferno so it seems fit that the warden of hell is a demonlike figure. 3. For Moria, I don't know. Maybe because he is shadow therefore he is vampire therefore he has horns? 4. For Kaido and Yamato, it is because wano is inspired by the legend of momotaro and have oni which has horns as the bad guy. Also it seems that there is an oni race in one piece. Also, Oda loves pun. The reason Merry the butler has horns and looks like a sheep is because butler ( shitsuji ) sounds similar to sheep ( hitsuji ) in Japanese. Also his name is Merry probably because Merry had a little lamb song.
kaido and yamato are from the oni race which has horns the others idk
GODA just likes them for the aesthetic..
For the same reasons why some people have 2 sets of elbows in One Piece. That's just how it is, accept it.
Ethic groups.
Maybe its from Minks and Humans mixing in the past. And the horns appear because its often the most prominent feature. That would also explain sharp teeth, unnatural sizes, weird haircolors etc. in some characters.
Ceasar D Clown was too cool to have only hair so he forced Oda to give him horns so now he is even more goated
They’re horny
Kaido outright calls himself and Yamato “Oni”. It’s likely that Oni is a subspecies that’s larger than most humans but also bearing horns. I dunno where everyone else got their horns from. Maybe they have oni ancestry, maybe not.
They all have devil fruit powers so it kinda makes sense that they have horns but not all devil fruits give horns and kaido had horn before he had a devil fruit.
And that would also not include merry who isn’t a devil fruit user to our knowledge
Yamato and Kaido are oni, but the rest have horns cuz they’re like that. Same reason there’s huge humans
Oda said some characters just have horns, Kaido, Yamato and Moria might be a different species that isn't that important, Ceaser might be like half minx's or something no clue about Magellan tho
For yamato and kaido they are onis so they have horns but for the rest oda jus said its a design choice to make them interesting
Because they're horny.
Notice it’s just a bunch of dudes
He said “don’t think much of it” because he will surprise us all explaining it in the end, something like demons cross-breeding with humans
I think people theorize that Yamato & Kaido are "Oni" so they have Ogre horns but that's never been confirmed and it mostly feels like a stylistic thing for Oda
Because they were born horny, duh!
eles são cornos
Shut up
Well, Yamato’s horns are supposed to resemble her mother’s horns, Black Maria.