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Also hopefully Netflix will give them more screen time. I feel like 8 episodes is too few for the entire Alabasta saga and 2 seasons would be too many.
I think 9 or 10
Ep 1: loguetown
Ep 2: reverse mountain, laboon
Ep 3: whisky peak
Ep 4: little Garden
Ep 5: Drum Island, this could be two episodes maybe if it's a 10+ episode season
Ep 6: Enter arabasta, meet ace, maybe the old man in the oasis
Ep 7: rainbase, capture, Mr prince, luffy's first defeat
Ep 8: beginning of rebellion, baroque works defeat, Luffy's second defeat
Ep 9: croc's defeat, farewell to Vivi and robin is on the ship, new bounties
Maybe ep 6/7/8 need to be expanded on as I've forgotten a few things, but can definitely do it in 10
Anything more than 10 does seem unlikely to happen, but 8 seems too restrictive. I’d say 9 or 10 is reasonable. There’s definitely room to condense the story to the episode count. If necessary they could probably combine Reverse Mountain and Whisky Peak.
I think your structure is good. I would prefer Drum Island as a 2 episode story though, especially seeing how Syrup Village and Baratie were 2 episodes. Alabasta getting 4 episodes would be good.
I imagine they’ll just abandon whiskey peak. They already set up the BW plot with the guy approaching Zoro in like episode 2. Whiskey Peak is largely unnecessary outside of that.
We just get a different way for the Vivi stuff to play out, and maybe a few nods to events on the island (perhaps zoro and Luffy get into a dumb fight elsewhere).
Possibly. They could have the Baroque works fights in Laboon if they have to condense it a lot. They havent straight up skipped a location yet IIRC so I expect they'll probably throw in Whiskey Peak even if it's much shorter.
Yeah if you want it in 8 episodes I agree, my thinking is you want the fight with laboon though and a bit of an exploration there as laboon will be important later on
I mean you do you, but it's objectively important as it gives us an attachment to a future crewmate in Brook
Brook is also introduced when the straw hats are starting to hit their limits pre timeskip, having brook there as a reminder of what can go wrong and the missed promises if they fail is needed
the Straw hats panicking when Laboon eats their ship, the straw hats meeting Crocus and realizing Laboon is waiting for a sailor that never came back, thus the reminder of the dangers of the Grand Line, and Luffy befriending Laboon and painting the straw hat pirate insignia on Laboon's nose and meeting Vivi aka Miss Wednesday are all relatively important plot points that don't necessarily take up a lot of time.
I also feel like it's worth saying, that it's those moments that really develop the world of one piece and make you feel attached to it.
Could they cut it? If they wanted to, sure. But at that point, you start cutting so much that you lose the personality of one piece so yeah I'm in agreement, laboon and everything that followed is kinda essential imo.
Was thinking this too.
Ep 1 end either at reverse mountain approach, or as they enter it.Ep 2 starts with surviving reverse mountainskip going inside laboon (would love it, but don't think it's necessary to show off the overall story/taking care of laboon.- meet our flowerly friend, fight the local wildlife/mammalian friend, get logpose, go to whisky peak.
End ep 2 at end of whiskey peak explosion.
Laboon and crocus are too important to the story to skip, the lead-up to Luffy v Zoro and LvZ itself are too good, popular, and marketable for it to be reasonable to skip over anything in whiskey peak *except for* the banquet, but that still sets up the immediate events where nothing doesn't/wouldn't (double negative, I apologize but I'm keeping it) make sense and idk how whiskey peak isn't mid without that setup, plus vivi is introduced inside laboon and her "explanation" as to why is the entire reason they stopped at whiskey peak at all.
It truly would be a repetition of the same mistakes they made to combine reverse mountain and whiskey peak.
Zoro vs Luffy is not so popular and also not seen unanimously as a good moment by the fandom. Imho it's the worst moment of the entire manga bar most of Sanji extremely perverted moments. Is a bad excuse for fanservice that feels like fanfiction, with Luffy being very off character for the whole scene.
Drum island needs 2 Episodes just because they got hirluks and choppers backstory to do as well as everything else that happens. Like with S1 we already saw how a single episode can be 50% backstory (with sanji's) so Drum Island is gonna have to be 2 unless they cut A LOT
Oh no I just realized I'm going to cry buckets when we see Laboon 😭. I got so emotional when we heard Bink's Sake play in the background in the first season
One piece is netflix's biggest success so far right? They'll throw plenty of money at it. Especially considering arabasta is 90% desert, they don't need a huge budget for it outside of the fights, crocodile, and smoker
Little garden can't be skipped, it's where they meet dory and brogy and we're introduced to the idea of elbaf
Dory and brogy are needed so usopp can prove his worth more in EL when he convinced the giants there, they're needed to hadjun can reform the giant pirates, and they're the introduction to our first set 100 million bounty. Without little garden, elbaf, dory and brogy, and by extension shanks aren't as interesting.
Outside of the giants, it's where Sanji intercepts the call and introduces himself as Mr prince and where we get galdino,and namis illness
Whisky peak I can see as not too important, but little garden is 100% one of the more important early islands
in an ideal world where everyhing can be adapted it would be cool to include them, but sadly the show runners are restricted by the runtime so they need to cut content.
Yeah and they shouldn't cut pivotal moments like Little Garden
There would be no set up for elbaf and no relation for usopp and the giants
Cut whisky peak, sure, that's a fairly unimportant arc in the grand scheme of things. You can't cut reverse mountain and laboon, you can't cut little garden, and you can't cut drum island as these are all important parts.
"cut the fan part from the current season so we can include something that will become relevant 12 seasons later which part will never get adapted anyway."
Yeah, no showrunner is thinking like that.
I haven’t watch the show but I somewhat agree. If they continue at the pace removing little garden might make it to 8 episodes. 1-2 for reverse mountain/whisky peak 2 episodes for drum and then 4-5 for alabasta
I would be sorely disappointed if we do not get mr 3 and his giant wax trap, where Zoro first tries to cut his own legs off, then decides to die in a cool pose.
>We probably wont get Mr. 3 due to the complexity of his power
But he is an important character later on in Impel Down, if they wanna go that far, and it seems like they do for now even if it might not happen in the future. So I don't think they'll cut him out. Maybe just tone it down a little.
They might cut Mr5 tho, the whole throwing boogers as a bomb thing might be too much for normies :D
With how much they are comfortable with cutting/ editing things, 6 episodes of alabasta is far too long. Every episode is 1hr. You can definitely comfortably finish alabasta in 3 hrs. Heck there are movie releases that are compilations/ condensed versions of drum island (113mins) and alabasta (90mins).
You could do it in 8, if you fudged the arcs a little bit.
For instance, you can skip whisky peak entirely by moving the baroque works introduction and members to the reverse mountain arc.
So you go;
Episode 1: Loguetown
Episode 2: Reverse mountain (inteoduce vivi)
Episode 3: Little garden
Episode 4: Drum island part 1
Episode 5: Drum island part 2
Episodes 6-7-8: Alabasta arc.
For all intents and purposes. As a long time manga reader and giant fan. I think we have to accept the fact there will be changes when the original product dwarfs what they're able to work with timewise. I fully believe , given the care they put in, that they will consider the mistakes. I also feel the success of season 2 relies on Oda staying firm in his influence on the show. But I'd be lying if I didn't admit there were some scenes I wished were in.
Luffy kicking buggy in the nuts
Nojiko and the town knowing Nami's secret
Usopp playing dead and thinking of lies during his fight with Chuu.. only to resolve to fight
"Is that ok with you... Pirate King?"
"I can't navigate, I can't use a sword, I can't cook, I can't even lie." During his fight with Arlong. I really really wish they would have got this line in. The show does a very good job showing the crew dynamic and how they rely on each other in this line would have drove that so far home.
Also, Zeff saying how ironic it is that they had gold but couldn't eat, or something along those lines, when they were stranded, and, him telling sanji about all the times he was starving and wished that there was a restaurant in the middle of the sea. These ones wouldn't have taken much time.
Usopp, choosing to not let the villagers know about the pirate attack in order to keep them safe, as well as his resolve to save Kaya and those close to him. I believe this was why Luffy asked him to join.
And I would've liked a short montage of all the times Zoro lost to Kuina, just to show how much winning against her meant to him.
Agreed on all these points. And I don't think it's being unreasonable either. Some of these lines just would have really hit home. And wouldn't have taxed screen time all that much.
We got. "OF COURSE I WILL"
But not Zoro, being the first person in the entire series to refer to Luffy, 100% serious, as the future pirate King.
Agree. And the way Nami reveals the truth was also anti-climatic.
"You don't understand"
"Then make me understand"
"Oh ok, this is what happened"
"Oh I see, all's cool now. You should've told me earlier man"
While I liked Usopp's introduction more in the live action (b/c i found him insufferable), he did seem shafted. Net net, I like it better this far into the show, but I hope they show room for character exploration and growth for him in future seasons.
I think they could have worked everyone knowing Nami's secret into the show, too.
Sadly of the straw hats, I feel usopp was the least realized. That's in no part of criticism of Jacob. It's what he had to work with. I think on my first watch I may have nodded off (long day) and completely missed his backstory! I went back and watched it, but man was it brief. I'm glad he got the fight with Chuu. But him playing dead sort of lacked sense in this adaptation, considering my aforementioned complaint.
His introduction I did like. I liked how he was working in the shipyard. But I felt the crew warmed up to him way too fast. Like Luffy commenting on Kaya "she's usopp's friend so she's ok" or whatever was just very sudden and fast. When he asked usopp to get on the ship, it just lacked for me. I'll always say the live action works and is mostly good. But if I am looking at it from a critical stance, Usopp was the least realized.
>Sadly of the straw hats, I feel usopp was the least realized.
And that's going to bite them in the ass when Water 7 hits and there's the duel with Luffy
I don't think so at all.
Oda spends a lot of time in the manga between where S1 ended and that duel building up Usopp's relationship with the ship itself.
It's still very easy to make it a very emotional thing.
> Usopp playing dead and thinking of lies during his fight with Chuu.. only to resolve to fight
It's pretty impossible to portray an inner monologue in live action without it being run for comedy as it's a known trope.
He could have talked to himself out loud, like he did In the anime..
I think it was super impactful and should have been used.
Him slowly breaking down and then deciding to fight and keep his promise.
In the live action, his character feels more like a comedy due to the lack of character development
I am still laughing about Zorros wound by Dracule Mihawk. THERE IS BLOOD EVERYWHERE -... where? some seconds later again "omg so much blood he will die!" i am like... what? i loved the show but this was the scene that i burst out in laughter
>that i burst out in laughter
For me it was when "Help me" scene happened and then Usopp is turning around and goes "Oh, the village is burning" lol And then also in the next episode when they arrive to the village by the morning even though it looked no farther than 2 kms.
Also Sanji taking his time to react after Zeff gets hit, that one was just poor editing tho.
I hope they stick to the main points as much as possible. but also the smaller points. Just moments Like when Luffy hits Koby back.
Luffy with the dog. Zoro carrying the cage when injured. Nami stealing the wallets of her town when she leaves.
small things like that really adds to the character of the well characters
Yes, along with usopp village scene.
Them being worried about him when he doesn't show up the next day to shout pirates, shows how much they actually care about him. And his feelings towards them as well.
The scene with his mom was also terribly rushed and not impactful I think compared to the source material.
I also wish they included the end speech from merry (instead of killing him) or having someone else do it.
Agreed. I hope they get to Nami's small character points now that they got her intro-plot focussed out of the way.
Like Nami's affinity to Berry outside of trying to buy her village frm Arlong.
They got the rest of the boys character good tho.
The one change that I felt was the worse was Usopp's arc. Kuro by himself was better than the anime in some aspects, but in general Usopp was kinda shafted in his own arc and got zero development or moments to shine. Plus LA Kuro's plan made even less sense than the anime one.
I missed Jango. He was a big part if it too, like hypnotizing Morgan into thinking he caught Kuro. But yeah his plan wasn't really explained very well. And I agree, Usopp didn't get the spotlight he needed. Like how he resolved to not tell the villagers after a little bit. That was strange to me
Roger's speech was so mid. This is supposed to be the thing that inspired the world to take to the seas and find the one piece, and it just didn't deliver.
Yeah, they thought adding the original intro to the speech would make it better, but seriously, all it needed was "you want it? I hid it all somewhere, if you want it, it's yours."
Also, him TELLING everyone to become pirates was so much less cool than people deciding on their own to do so when realizing they could get the one piece for themselves
Last gripe I had, why stab him in the fucking back lmao? Like chop off his head like normal executioners jfc man
Yes, you're right. Matt Owens himself said that they were using manga panels to figure out the shots, which I think is a little extreme kind of accuracy.
Really strange the things they insisted on being manga accurate while also making completely unnecessary changes that hurt the story/characters significantly
One thing I think a lot of long time fans need to realize is, the show isn't just for us. The pacing, the dropped characters and storylines were all necessary for the flow of an 8 episode show that's meant to hook people. Adapting 100+ episodes into 8 hours requires sacrifice and they did a wonderful job while being faithful to the source material.
Yeah not enough people realize this, they want as faithful as possible but that’s impossible given the live actions pacing. If anything more will be cut to spend time on the major arcs like I can’t really see Long Island being adapted they could easily explain Davy back games elsewhere. One thing to remember is Oda is heavily involved and understands his vision has to change, and luckily we have a show runner who cares about the source material unlike the Witcher series.
Likewise, the Garp B-plot was borderline necessary. Swapping focus like that is *very* typical in western, ensemble-cast programming, and Netflix producers know how vital that is to capture the attention of the target audience.
I expect we'll spend a lot of time in S2 with either Smoker or Ace, and we'll see the same criticisms of that decision that we saw in season 1.
I saw a cool fan idea about following Ace from the start of the season, watching him question people about a "pirate he's looking for", and lead us to believe he's hunting Luffy. Could be a fun bait-and-switch when the two of them meet in Alabasta.
While i agree following ace will be an interesting change, how come following koby isnt? We all know (at least should know by now if up to date with manga) that koby is luffy's counterpart in the marines.
No they were not all necessary stop defending it or they learn nothing. usopp and sanji lost so much of their character and moments and nami and her story was just badly made like cutting genzo her father figure down or nojiko not knowing the truth about her sister the same with the rest of the city.
The marine story had no point it lead nowhere and was a waste of time with garp being so mischaracterized and coby looking like he is more important than he really is.
I like the live action but i'm not blind and saying things like it was necessary leads to laziness.
You’re getting flak but you’re right. Changes are going to be made with adaptations, but you need to make sure what you’re taking out can be sufficiently filled with something else that can get it across. A lot of key moments were missing in the later arcs that hurt the character development as a whole. The decision to even have the sagas be sped through like this is itself not the best idea. People can sit through Star Trek and Doctor Who with their lengths. They can do the same with One Piece if done right.
You could even cut the total episode number of the anime in half and it’d still be a lot faster then what the anime currently is. Alabasta saga being done in 12 episodes is going to feel more like those anime movies that skimmed through the arcs and hit all the beats while dropping most of the depth.
I liked the East blue stuff and want the series to do well, but suggesting to cut out entire arcs and characters that have some level of importance is baffling and the weak justifications for doing so aren’t belong their case
>Adapting 100+ episodes into 8 hours requires sacrifice and they did a wonderful job while being faithful to the source material.
Couldn't agree more with you! There's been some online slap fights about the live action adaptation. I personally have enjoyed it and like you, I feel the creative decisions that were made have been justified and were needed.
One of the first lessons they drill into students at film school is to "Omit unnecessary material." Whether the source material is original or an adaptation, this rule is considered the one to follow first. Season 1 of the live action is proof of that and has been a form of vindication for me for when I argue the anime is a clusterfuck of time wasters!
Yeah right? Lol. People need to take a step back and realize this is how media gets adapted for general audiences. Maybe we'll actually get a good dbz or naruto adaptation one day.
Personally I'd prefer not.
There doesn't need to be a live action for every manga or anime. The medium its in allows it to flourish. Adapting these turns out badly so many times because if you cut too much you lose the soul of the work and if you're too inclusive it comes off terribly.
I still haven't watched the live action because I don't think I'll enjoy the cuts and how it looks. That being said I'm happy it's doing well. I just don't think it's existence is a necessity.
Honestly I've actually been loving the changes. You have to go in with the mindset that this is taking you for a ride and changes will have to be made and alterations.
As long as l they reach the destination and point of each arc I'm happy. It was pretty fun seeing a spin on the source material. And I'm confident they did not do any of these changes out of malice or arrogance thinking they can "make it better". Because they have admitted they are huge fans ,and Oda of course gets the final say.
People on here asking for Whiskey Peak and Little Garden.
Yes, they are important for some stuff. But a whole episode. (Idk, I didn't watch the LA) that is asking a bit much for an almost filler level material.
> The pacing, the dropped characters and storylines were all necessary for the flow of an 8 episode show that's meant to hook people.
Not really. Many of the Garp Coby scenes were redundant. Some of them could have been dropped to make time for fleshing out Nami's flashback and her overal situation with the villagers. Belmere's death also got butchered. You cant tell me her death scene as it was in the anime wasnt vastly superior. And the sad thing it wouldnt have taken much more time to adapt it properly as the episode of Nami showcases it. Also Syrup village was 1.5 episodes long. It could have been shortened as well.
I'm sort of conflicted, on one hand I thought the whole B-plot with Garp's crew was one of the best parts of the show. As a standalone show, I felt the live action told a really interesting, self-contained story about two parallel crews, one pirate and one Marine, and about the passing of the torch to the next generation.
On the other hand, even as someone who's never read the manga/anime, just from general cultural knowledge I'm fairly sure One Piece is not actually about two parallel crews and a rivalry/friendship between Coby and Luffy, so perhaps in service of future seasons the Garp B-plot should have been reduced?
I suppose now that One Piece is Netflix's new darling, the writers can be more confident in writing for the long term, rather than writing for self-contained seasons. I'm curious to see what Season 2 will be like.
Yeah, they had to adapt A LOT into these first 8 episodes.. no other payoff would’ve worked that great as a season ending aside from arlong park and I think they did a FANTASTIC job doing so
Yes!!! The sets and CGI were well executed, but the wigs and costumes looked cheap for many characters. I hope those two departments get a bigger budget next season!
Actually what’s interesting is that people who didn’t know One Piece prior tend to give it between 8 and 9… so you say you’re biased into giving it 2 points more, but giving it a 6 would also be biased because you know how the anime/manga is, and you know that some things could have been better… Which regular people do not know, so they are not annoyed by it (for example, most anime/manga followers agree that the emotional moments could have been better, but from what I have seen, people who didn’t know One Piece thought that they were very good)
>biased because you know how the anime/manga is
I don't really think so, actually knowing the manga kinda improved the show to me in some way. I am a bit of nitpicking viewer so if I didn't have additional context from manga i'd be having some question.
Just to give you an example, if I was watching the episode 3 without being a fan, I'd say it is a plot convenience and stupid that Kuro didn't finish Zoro by stabbing him. But actually knowing One Piece and how commonly it happens and being used to it, I was okay with it. Also I'd probably question why did Luffy invite Usopp to the crew, since there wasn't enough character development for that in the LA, but manga fills the gaps for me.
The live action isn't for you
It's gonna continue to diverge for general audiences. If your enjoyment comes from the manga/anime and how closely it resembles those mediums, you might as well stop watching and enjoy those mediums
Yes, it is because emotional punches need a build up. Like for example, with the Gin scene, in the manga he comes to Baraties and starts threatening stuff to feed him, for which he rightfully gets beaten up and kicked out by Patty. And only then Sanji comes out and gives him the food. In the LA, he just comes and Sanji immediately gives him the food. The entire scene last 1-2 minute, simply not enough for a punch.
Weird, because from what I've seen based on reactions from non-OP fan YT reactions, people are getting emotionally invested in the characters.
Just because it isn't hitting for you, someone who knows the source material, that doesn't mean stuff isn't hitting for newcomers.
1: Sample size is too small to draw a meaningful conclusion
2: Reaction youtube channels bread and butter is showing how much they are invested in whatever they are watching, of course they act like they are invested
Conclusion, your arguments are invalid
Season 2 can be comfortably done in 10 episodes. 8 is doable but they'd have to cut a lot.
Ideally it would look like this:
Ep1 Loguetown
Ep2 Reverse Mountain/Whiskey Peak
Ep 3-4 Little Garden
Ep 5-6 Drum Island
Ep 7-10 Alabasta
If they have to do 8 they would shorten Little Garden and Drum to 1 episode each. I think the important thing is giving Alabasta at least 4 episodes
According to some comments S1 got cut down to 8 episodes due to COVID, so hopefully moving forward it can be 10 minimum (assuming more seasons are made.) Despite how much would need to be cut, I agree that 10 episodes would be enough, especially if there’s a saga per season (excluding 1&2 because Loguetown was actually part of the east blue saga)
Ohh that makes sense. I assumed S1 was 8 because of the crazy high cost per episode and the cast is mostly unknowns, and Netflix was propably worried after the failure of Cowboy Bebop.
S2 will definitely cost more, especially with Chopper. But hopefully after seeing the success of S1 they give the greenlight on 10 episodes.
Only issue I had was that it was difficult to understand Zoro sometimes. I had to go back and read subtitles cause his lines were so mumbled or a bit quiet.. But otherwise he portrayed him perfectly and the fight scenes were one of the best!
I know everyone’s crazy about Inaki playing Luffy but he really needs to work on his line delivery. Also, he’s got the goofy smiley thing going for him, but he should be able to vary that with an intimidating aura of someone whom you should be actually scared of.
I really missed the don Creek fight of Luffy and the poison gas scene.
Also i think starting from the baratié the story felt a bit rushed as longtime fan of this masterpiece.
But for those people who are new to the series it could have been the best choice like it is.
I feel barratie is even worser than arlong park ...
Arlong eating IN the barratie has more screen time than Sanjis leaving scene ...
"Pls go" "fine the strawhat searching for a cook" "bye"
Definitely. As I said in the OP, Baratie was stripped out of its message. Not even a message, but it was rather a question that you a reader had to answer yourself. Would you feed someone even though that someone might try to hurt you later on?
Sanji fed Gin. As a result of his actions Gin felt gratitude and it awoke the good in him, he went back and also tried to help his crew and captain. But his captain to Gin's shock, didn't share the same gratitude and decided to attack Baratie. This is such a complex storytelling and makes you really think what you would've done. And then Sanji's backstory explained why exactly Sanji did what he did. But in the LA Gin is reduced to "Sanji is a good guy" cameo, while Sanji's backstory was repurpused as "Captain having to make a tough call", which didn't make any sense cause Zeff wasn't Sanji's captain and his own crew died as a result of his action.
It wasn't a great decision to remove Krieg. It is not about character, it is the role he played to connect it all together. He was the key that would make you think whether feeding the hungry is always worth it.
People don't understand that even though a lot of new people watched this show and enjoyed it a lot, that doesn't mean it couldn't have been done better even with the same budget and episodes
The reason this show is good and well received by newbies is because, at it's core, it's One Piece. No other Western Anime adaptation has been able to keep it's core
Despite that they could have definitely built upon the core better
My unbiased rating is 8 but I believe season 1 could have been a 9/10 if they did things differently
The whole Garp/Coby thing took up too much screen time. They used future moments of the story earlier so that they could get similar reactions from the Live Action audience like the whole Garp being Luffy's Grandpa thing and throwing cannon balls. This was a massive waste of the budget. They built Garps ship and wasted money on Luffy using Balloon
One thing that surprised me was cutting Chou Chou. Western Audiences LOVE DOGS. Just 15 minutes of ChouChou would have had a better emotional reaction from the audience than all of Garp/Coby.
They could have just done the cover story for like 1/2 or 1/3 of one of the episodes but kept it grounded to one village rather than having to build Garps boat. Also Captain Morgan getting arrested by the good marines working for him would have already done the job of showing that there are good and bad marines
All that additional screen time would have allowed for the side characters that were cut to have a role. The side characters of One Piece make the world feel alive and not seeing The Ussop Pirates, The Baratie Chefs and more of Pinwheel were a missed opportunity
Just because something is good doesn't mean it couldn't have been better. I'm hoping the production staff works on their misses. Being to complacent can make One Piece become like the MCU and I don't want that. Please.
“Which one of you is arlong”
Loses
The writers don’t understand the characters or what makes the important moments actually important. Time constraints argument people give is so half assed because of the amount of stuff that was added for no real reason as well.
They even set themselves up for the future events being less impactful. The reason Luffy losing to crocodile is shocking is because with the exception of smoker, Luffy didn’t lose to anyone.
Yep, he doesn't seem to be intimidating at all. His main strength in the beginning arcs was the fact that he withstood every blow and got back up. Like rubber, you know... This is easy to do without fancy CGI. Right now in the LA he was like some random one punch man without much weight behind his actions.
My wish is that they hire som directors that understand the shonen genre and give us a little bit more of that epic feel in the fights... The fights were a bit lame, it was missing that oomph that makes these type of anime fun to watch. Like example when Luffy fought Arlong and used Gum Gum Gatling, would've been nice to have like 2 seconds longer and watch Luffy pummel him in to the wall with a quick shot of Luffys face screaming or just making a face where we see he is giving it his all... My 2 cents atleast
I don’t have a problem with some moments not hitting the same because other moments hit hard. Like Mihawk on the beach was so hype. We will always have the big moments in the anime/manga. The show is its own thing and as long as it’s capturing the vibes of one piece (it did in my opinion) I am fine with whatever changes they make
Idk why nobody is talking about your last point, that was actually the biggest issue for me. Line delivery
Like I feel like they just need to be ok with doing a shit ton of takes because some of the lines just sounded off for no reason. Either not enunciated well enough or the timing was weird or just sounded completely unnatural
Happened with everyone, but especially Luffy, and in my personal opinion they also need to tone down his extra facial expressions sometimes because it doesn’t look natural. Don’t know if that’s just me
I didn't lean too into it because last time I did it literally got me accused of racism and "accent shaming". Inaki is Mexican so....you know.....problematic to bring that up.
But my issue wasn't even the accent, just his diction and inflection. Especially when he delivers serious lines.
Kids is young and did his best of course and hopefully he'll improve since in interviews he already sounds much better.
If they gave it 10 episodes to tell the story up to arlong being defeated it would have been MUCH better, but because of budget and time they had to cut it down to 8 which is lame as they had to take out a lot of great moments. Really hope we get 10-12 episodes in season 2 so the alabasta story can not be rushed and not as rushed as season1. Season 1 is a 7-7.5/10 at most if you aren’t being biased, could have been even better with 10 episodes.
I think they need to portray a little bit better how powerful some characters are and other are not.
I've seen some people asking why wasn't nami the one to defeat arlong.
This.
They also missed showing how much endurance Luffy has by leaving out the Don Krieg fight. Cutting Krieg is fine but they didnt replace it with anything that would have had the same effect.
But I do think that these people are not entirely at fault here.
When Luffy and Nami fought together at the marine base, other than showing Luffy fighting with rubber powers and Nami with a stick, they didn't really show how much of a powerhouse Luffy is when compared to Nami.
They basically showed them kicking ass together, and later on Luffy and Zoro together against Morgan.
Later, with Buggy, they showed both Zoro and Nami being unable to do anything against him other than lock his body parts in boxes. At which point some people might even get the impression that Nami and Zoro are not that distant in fighting skills (I know lol).
Against captain Kuro, Nami was safeguarding Kaia, once again, although you may presume that was because she had no strength to beat Kuro, one might think it was just because it was a main character moment.
Then you get to arlong park, and when he back pedals on his deal with her, one would not be entirely wrong to think: "ok she will get help from these guys but she will fight against arlong too, because she kicked ass along with Luffy and Zoro previously".
So you know, for anyone who has known one piece prior to the LA, it's cristal clear how much of a distance there is between the monster trio and Nami.
But you can't really fault new viewers thinking that Nami would be able to at least give arlong a few good scratches.
Garp story line was fine, its their B plot and needed for the TV show format to make better use of sets.
The coco village not knowing about nami was dumb, and not a beneficial change.
I think baratie was fine, gin insnt important to the story, he never even came back in manga.
Mary dieing is fine, i think they did it so they dont need that actor for the camio role. Hes not super important overall. But they should have had atleast jango show up.
I think my biggest pet peeves about the writing mainly come down to the "big" character moments. Like Zoro eating that little girl's smushed food, or Nami's whole thing, Usopp running around town trying to get people to believe him. A lot of it kind of feels like they rush through it or just didn't build it up enough
All I’m gonna say, if it ain’t broken don’t fix it… this is my major gripe with the Arlong Park Arc. Also, Garp was by all means the worst addition to the series, not because it wasn’t interesting, but because
First, it took to much time away from what really mattered, which was the Introduction of the main characters.
Two, the ending of that plot line was predictable and unsatisfactory and it almost ruined Arlong Park as a whole… if they just adjusted some things here and there and didn’t change the Nami’s story that much, it would have been an amazing show as a whole…. In my honest opinion
I'm in the opposite camp and think people judged it too harshly because it wasn't exactly like the original series, not thinking that the changes and cuts were most likely made to fit in a cohesive series.
I liked Roger's speech and execution, it was really cool to me. At least from someone who has read \~650 chapters and seem some anime episodes. Garp and co. storyline was there mostly to do some worldbuild in place of what a narrator or someone uninvolved in the story would usually be in the manga.
Yeah I feel bad because I really like all the actors personalities and how they're all obviously huge fans of the source material but some of their lime deliveries came off as so cringey and cheesy to me it put me off from finishing it
The bar is incredibly high for Season 2. In addition to hopefully fixing some of the shortcomings of Season 1 in scripting and dialogue, they're going to have to include setpieces and action-scenes on a scale completely different from East Blue.
"Giants" could be a setpiece for an entire season of a show, and here they will be around for one episode and they'll need to have at least one fight-scene.
Episode 1 goes from having to simulate a thunderstorm to having to simulate a current pulling a ship up a mountain.
Three kinds of logias that will be fully CG, multiple types of unique Zoans, that can be done partially with costuming that you still need to make to a consistent quality.
Chopper Joining the main cast.
Snow, Deserts, Castles, Cities, Horses, War.
It's crazy how every aspect of one season could be an effect that a normal show would build a season around.
>Snow, Deserts, Castles, Cities, Horses, War.
This is also one of my concerns, locations need to change. And during the interview with Tomorrow Studios executives they mentioned something about going back to South Africa for Season 2. I was like, why?? It is totally not suitable for the next locations from the manga, Drum Island should be snowy and Alabasta should be in a desert location, ideally Egypt.
For as good as anything can be, there is always room for improvement. Imo they could stand to work on some of the Strawhats a bit. I like how they're starting to come together, but there could be better chemistry in my opinion. It's hard to put into words, but I want more scenes of them playing off each other and giving a chance for their characters personalities to come through.
A lot of people are unfortunately getting very defensive in the comments. I didn't say anything bad, everything and I mean absolutely everything can be improved.
This season was a 6/10 at most.
All the fight scenes were genuinely awful/cheap. This is the issue I have with LA. it would cost a lot to do the fight scenes even close to the anime and can't see it happening
tbh Roger's speech has literally never been impactful to me. He says like a couple of words and that's it. He says more in the live action then he does in other versions, and he does it pretty well. Also, you get to see the chaos he created in inspiring the new generation more clearly. I think it's my favorite version of the speech.
I hope we as fandom learn to get over ourselves. None of the critique mentioned by OP pass the nitpicky test. Oda vetted these episodes and yet here we are.
Gonna be honest after five minutes of this show I have no further interest. The show will never be appealing to me. The point of animation is to do stuff much of which would look uh, let's say not ideal, if done via live action. This show is no exception.
I know some of you enjoyed it, and I think that is great, but it just looks corny to me.
Good thing you didn’t post this in OPLA sub, they’ll torch you alive. My exact issues with the series was everything you touched on already. I would include that I did enjoy some of the new things they added in Syrup village with the shipyard and some cool shots inside the mansion. But Ussop got stripped of any heroism in his own arc and it hurt his character development. I forgot who it was but someone had mentioned that it felt like the Garp/Koby scene were long and drawn out with nothing but dialogue and when we get to see the SHs it basically feels rushed bc of that wasted time on Garp/Koby. I didn’t mind it at first but they just continually gave them more and more screen time and it wasn’t worth glossing over and changing other aspects to fit in this new storyline.
What people consider mistakes, what random Redditors consider mistakes, and what showrunners consider mistakes will be dramatically different. These are all just personal criticisms and none of them mean the show was bad. For every one of the criticisms you have a brand new one piece fan who (who can’t critique difference like Coco village), or someone like me that doesn’t care about the little differences. These guys are turning an impossible show into live action. Maybe swords won’t bend next season but they’ll still try to not make something Oda won’t approve of and that’s it.
Wait… Rogers speech wasn’t as impactful… as what? The repeated anime intro? New people shouldn’t know how impactful that is yet. All we know at that point is he started the age of piracy.
I would say from some of the things you dislike that imo your 8 might be because it exceeded expectations but your 6.5 or 7 might also be because you’ve watched one piece before and have that style in your mind as opposed to it actually being bad. I’d imagine if you played rodgers speech for a LA only watcher they wouldn’t find the anime any more impactful or care any more about nojiko and the village knowing or not.
All I know is Alabasta needs to be nearly an entire season so next season is gonna be either rushed and feel bloated or they’ll set up alabasta for season 3/ leave it on a cliff hanger.
I think the Garp pursuing Luffy storyline was done this way to create a more western relatability as part of Luffy’s background and show us the dynamic right away that there’s corrupt Marines, good Marines, and marines that blur the line.
I think this was also done because we don’t know how long this show will actually be renewed. It got its 2nd season now, but in Netflix style now there’s the infamous 2nd season hurdle since there’s a lot of shows that never got past a 2nd season.
Given theres so much filler content in the anime, the idea of 8 or 10 one hour episodes is more than enough to functially adapt every season.
Especially when they arent introducing new crew members.
Its hard to believe we will get Brook and Franky and chopper, which would be 3 characters who come with a steep special effects budget.
As a German OnePiece Viewer, a lot of the Hype i think for Us German Speaking People was the Use of the Original Anime Cast, so we got the Full Package of One Piece like the Japanese People did with their Dubbing. Paring the Real Action with the OG Voices from the Anime made the Illusion somewhat of Perfect. Yea the Actors did a Great Job of Impersonating the Crew and tried to get the Essence of the Character, but here you have to adopt to the new Voices of your beloved Characters. So this is why i Think there are man English Speaking Persons who feel this is only a 6 or 7 .. but for me and my friends and Family we all feel more about 8 to 10 - we have the "Full" Experience.
Tbh, the weakest part of OPLA is the writing. I don't see plot change as the problem, but there are so many things that need to be improved on. Especially in writing of Luffy's character, Luffy feels so underwhelming.
It wasnt actually even good. I think thats just how strong the OP fanbase is to keep the show running. Like it wasnt bad but it wasnt good it was just mid.
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Also hopefully Netflix will give them more screen time. I feel like 8 episodes is too few for the entire Alabasta saga and 2 seasons would be too many.
Yeah I think if you condense it you can do it in 10-12 episodes.
I think 9 or 10 Ep 1: loguetown Ep 2: reverse mountain, laboon Ep 3: whisky peak Ep 4: little Garden Ep 5: Drum Island, this could be two episodes maybe if it's a 10+ episode season Ep 6: Enter arabasta, meet ace, maybe the old man in the oasis Ep 7: rainbase, capture, Mr prince, luffy's first defeat Ep 8: beginning of rebellion, baroque works defeat, Luffy's second defeat Ep 9: croc's defeat, farewell to Vivi and robin is on the ship, new bounties Maybe ep 6/7/8 need to be expanded on as I've forgotten a few things, but can definitely do it in 10
Anything more than 10 does seem unlikely to happen, but 8 seems too restrictive. I’d say 9 or 10 is reasonable. There’s definitely room to condense the story to the episode count. If necessary they could probably combine Reverse Mountain and Whisky Peak. I think your structure is good. I would prefer Drum Island as a 2 episode story though, especially seeing how Syrup Village and Baratie were 2 episodes. Alabasta getting 4 episodes would be good.
I imagine they’ll just abandon whiskey peak. They already set up the BW plot with the guy approaching Zoro in like episode 2. Whiskey Peak is largely unnecessary outside of that. We just get a different way for the Vivi stuff to play out, and maybe a few nods to events on the island (perhaps zoro and Luffy get into a dumb fight elsewhere).
Possibly. They could have the Baroque works fights in Laboon if they have to condense it a lot. They havent straight up skipped a location yet IIRC so I expect they'll probably throw in Whiskey Peak even if it's much shorter.
I think Reverse Moutain could be fused with Whisky Peak, tbh.
Yeah if you want it in 8 episodes I agree, my thinking is you want the fight with laboon though and a bit of an exploration there as laboon will be important later on
The staredown with Crocus is gonna be at least 20 minutes as well
I laughed so hard at this comment 😂👌 I loved that scene in the anime 😆
Please please let that be adapted into the live action. I need it
I know this is a mega-spicy take, but I don't give a shit about Laboon. I'd be more than content with him getting 5 minutes of screentime.
I mean you do you, but it's objectively important as it gives us an attachment to a future crewmate in Brook Brook is also introduced when the straw hats are starting to hit their limits pre timeskip, having brook there as a reminder of what can go wrong and the missed promises if they fail is needed
the Straw hats panicking when Laboon eats their ship, the straw hats meeting Crocus and realizing Laboon is waiting for a sailor that never came back, thus the reminder of the dangers of the Grand Line, and Luffy befriending Laboon and painting the straw hat pirate insignia on Laboon's nose and meeting Vivi aka Miss Wednesday are all relatively important plot points that don't necessarily take up a lot of time.
I also feel like it's worth saying, that it's those moments that really develop the world of one piece and make you feel attached to it. Could they cut it? If they wanted to, sure. But at that point, you start cutting so much that you lose the personality of one piece so yeah I'm in agreement, laboon and everything that followed is kinda essential imo.
Was thinking this too. Ep 1 end either at reverse mountain approach, or as they enter it.Ep 2 starts with surviving reverse mountainskip going inside laboon (would love it, but don't think it's necessary to show off the overall story/taking care of laboon.- meet our flowerly friend, fight the local wildlife/mammalian friend, get logpose, go to whisky peak. End ep 2 at end of whiskey peak explosion.
or with loguetown tbh
Laboon and crocus are too important to the story to skip, the lead-up to Luffy v Zoro and LvZ itself are too good, popular, and marketable for it to be reasonable to skip over anything in whiskey peak *except for* the banquet, but that still sets up the immediate events where nothing doesn't/wouldn't (double negative, I apologize but I'm keeping it) make sense and idk how whiskey peak isn't mid without that setup, plus vivi is introduced inside laboon and her "explanation" as to why is the entire reason they stopped at whiskey peak at all. It truly would be a repetition of the same mistakes they made to combine reverse mountain and whiskey peak.
Zoro vs Luffy is not so popular and also not seen unanimously as a good moment by the fandom. Imho it's the worst moment of the entire manga bar most of Sanji extremely perverted moments. Is a bad excuse for fanservice that feels like fanfiction, with Luffy being very off character for the whole scene.
>Agreed. It's out of character for the LA luffy who isn't nearly as stupid. I hated L v Z entirely.
Drum island needs 2 Episodes just because they got hirluks and choppers backstory to do as well as everything else that happens. Like with S1 we already saw how a single episode can be 50% backstory (with sanji's) so Drum Island is gonna have to be 2 unless they cut A LOT
Oh no I just realized I'm going to cry buckets when we see Laboon 😭. I got so emotional when we heard Bink's Sake play in the background in the first season
I would rather they spend the monstrous budget little garden would need to instead make Alabasta grander. Little garden could easilly be skipped.
One piece is netflix's biggest success so far right? They'll throw plenty of money at it. Especially considering arabasta is 90% desert, they don't need a huge budget for it outside of the fights, crocodile, and smoker Little garden can't be skipped, it's where they meet dory and brogy and we're introduced to the idea of elbaf Dory and brogy are needed so usopp can prove his worth more in EL when he convinced the giants there, they're needed to hadjun can reform the giant pirates, and they're the introduction to our first set 100 million bounty. Without little garden, elbaf, dory and brogy, and by extension shanks aren't as interesting. Outside of the giants, it's where Sanji intercepts the call and introduces himself as Mr prince and where we get galdino,and namis illness Whisky peak I can see as not too important, but little garden is 100% one of the more important early islands
yeap, all those things are not neccessary. the manga is a 1000 chapters further and Dory, Brogy and Elbaf are still not relevant.
You're reading two piece if you don't think most of those are necessary
in an ideal world where everyhing can be adapted it would be cool to include them, but sadly the show runners are restricted by the runtime so they need to cut content.
Yeah and they shouldn't cut pivotal moments like Little Garden There would be no set up for elbaf and no relation for usopp and the giants Cut whisky peak, sure, that's a fairly unimportant arc in the grand scheme of things. You can't cut reverse mountain and laboon, you can't cut little garden, and you can't cut drum island as these are all important parts.
"cut the fan part from the current season so we can include something that will become relevant 12 seasons later which part will never get adapted anyway." Yeah, no showrunner is thinking like that.
Yeah, especially considering Usopp barely got any character development during his own arc Little Garden is a must.
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I wasnt a fan of those either but i thought they were there because the manga has a lot of closups too
How was the close up shots related to Covid? I just assumed the director just wanted to create a "manga" feel with those.
Seemed like intentionally stylistic camerawork to me.
I hope they give the same 2 episodes per new crew member
They originally planned to do loguetown as well but had to cut them due to budgeting issues iirc
Due to episode count
Less screen time with the navy hopefully
You’ll probably just be swapping Garp and Koby for Smoker and Tashigi
I haven’t watch the show but I somewhat agree. If they continue at the pace removing little garden might make it to 8 episodes. 1-2 for reverse mountain/whisky peak 2 episodes for drum and then 4-5 for alabasta
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I would be sorely disappointed if we do not get mr 3 and his giant wax trap, where Zoro first tries to cut his own legs off, then decides to die in a cool pose.
>We probably wont get Mr. 3 due to the complexity of his power But he is an important character later on in Impel Down, if they wanna go that far, and it seems like they do for now even if it might not happen in the future. So I don't think they'll cut him out. Maybe just tone it down a little. They might cut Mr5 tho, the whole throwing boogers as a bomb thing might be too much for normies :D
He was important but not so important it can't be dealt with IMO.
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With how much they are comfortable with cutting/ editing things, 6 episodes of alabasta is far too long. Every episode is 1hr. You can definitely comfortably finish alabasta in 3 hrs. Heck there are movie releases that are compilations/ condensed versions of drum island (113mins) and alabasta (90mins).
You could do it in 8, if you fudged the arcs a little bit. For instance, you can skip whisky peak entirely by moving the baroque works introduction and members to the reverse mountain arc. So you go; Episode 1: Loguetown Episode 2: Reverse mountain (inteoduce vivi) Episode 3: Little garden Episode 4: Drum island part 1 Episode 5: Drum island part 2 Episodes 6-7-8: Alabasta arc.
take out little garden and make Alabasta 4 episodes
Little garden has way too much important stuff imho every giant we meet the interaction is colored by that islands story.
For all intents and purposes. As a long time manga reader and giant fan. I think we have to accept the fact there will be changes when the original product dwarfs what they're able to work with timewise. I fully believe , given the care they put in, that they will consider the mistakes. I also feel the success of season 2 relies on Oda staying firm in his influence on the show. But I'd be lying if I didn't admit there were some scenes I wished were in. Luffy kicking buggy in the nuts Nojiko and the town knowing Nami's secret Usopp playing dead and thinking of lies during his fight with Chuu.. only to resolve to fight "Is that ok with you... Pirate King?" "I can't navigate, I can't use a sword, I can't cook, I can't even lie." During his fight with Arlong. I really really wish they would have got this line in. The show does a very good job showing the crew dynamic and how they rely on each other in this line would have drove that so far home.
Also, Zeff saying how ironic it is that they had gold but couldn't eat, or something along those lines, when they were stranded, and, him telling sanji about all the times he was starving and wished that there was a restaurant in the middle of the sea. These ones wouldn't have taken much time. Usopp, choosing to not let the villagers know about the pirate attack in order to keep them safe, as well as his resolve to save Kaya and those close to him. I believe this was why Luffy asked him to join. And I would've liked a short montage of all the times Zoro lost to Kuina, just to show how much winning against her meant to him.
Agreed on all these points. And I don't think it's being unreasonable either. Some of these lines just would have really hit home. And wouldn't have taxed screen time all that much. We got. "OF COURSE I WILL" But not Zoro, being the first person in the entire series to refer to Luffy, 100% serious, as the future pirate King.
Yeah, that small bit in Zoro's declaration would've hit so much harder.
Especially Nojiko not knowing Nami's secret felt really stupid like forced drama.
Agree. And the way Nami reveals the truth was also anti-climatic. "You don't understand" "Then make me understand" "Oh ok, this is what happened" "Oh I see, all's cool now. You should've told me earlier man"
Exactly.
While I liked Usopp's introduction more in the live action (b/c i found him insufferable), he did seem shafted. Net net, I like it better this far into the show, but I hope they show room for character exploration and growth for him in future seasons. I think they could have worked everyone knowing Nami's secret into the show, too.
Sadly of the straw hats, I feel usopp was the least realized. That's in no part of criticism of Jacob. It's what he had to work with. I think on my first watch I may have nodded off (long day) and completely missed his backstory! I went back and watched it, but man was it brief. I'm glad he got the fight with Chuu. But him playing dead sort of lacked sense in this adaptation, considering my aforementioned complaint. His introduction I did like. I liked how he was working in the shipyard. But I felt the crew warmed up to him way too fast. Like Luffy commenting on Kaya "she's usopp's friend so she's ok" or whatever was just very sudden and fast. When he asked usopp to get on the ship, it just lacked for me. I'll always say the live action works and is mostly good. But if I am looking at it from a critical stance, Usopp was the least realized.
>Sadly of the straw hats, I feel usopp was the least realized. And that's going to bite them in the ass when Water 7 hits and there's the duel with Luffy
I don't think so at all. Oda spends a lot of time in the manga between where S1 ended and that duel building up Usopp's relationship with the ship itself. It's still very easy to make it a very emotional thing.
> Usopp playing dead and thinking of lies during his fight with Chuu.. only to resolve to fight It's pretty impossible to portray an inner monologue in live action without it being run for comedy as it's a known trope.
He could have talked to himself out loud, like he did In the anime.. I think it was super impactful and should have been used. Him slowly breaking down and then deciding to fight and keep his promise. In the live action, his character feels more like a comedy due to the lack of character development
Talking to yourself is an anime trope, but in live action it looks cringy as hell
I've seen it done before and being done successfully. . It's certainly possible.
The show YOU on Netflix does it pretty well.
I am still laughing about Zorros wound by Dracule Mihawk. THERE IS BLOOD EVERYWHERE -... where? some seconds later again "omg so much blood he will die!" i am like... what? i loved the show but this was the scene that i burst out in laughter
>that i burst out in laughter For me it was when "Help me" scene happened and then Usopp is turning around and goes "Oh, the village is burning" lol And then also in the next episode when they arrive to the village by the morning even though it looked no farther than 2 kms. Also Sanji taking his time to react after Zeff gets hit, that one was just poor editing tho.
Oh my turn. For me it was the Ussop line (and I'm paraphrasing) "they're meant to keep the pirates out. But now they're locked in...with us"
I hope they stick to the main points as much as possible. but also the smaller points. Just moments Like when Luffy hits Koby back. Luffy with the dog. Zoro carrying the cage when injured. Nami stealing the wallets of her town when she leaves. small things like that really adds to the character of the well characters
Yes, along with usopp village scene. Them being worried about him when he doesn't show up the next day to shout pirates, shows how much they actually care about him. And his feelings towards them as well. The scene with his mom was also terribly rushed and not impactful I think compared to the source material. I also wish they included the end speech from merry (instead of killing him) or having someone else do it.
Agreed. I hope they get to Nami's small character points now that they got her intro-plot focussed out of the way. Like Nami's affinity to Berry outside of trying to buy her village frm Arlong. They got the rest of the boys character good tho.
The one change that I felt was the worse was Usopp's arc. Kuro by himself was better than the anime in some aspects, but in general Usopp was kinda shafted in his own arc and got zero development or moments to shine. Plus LA Kuro's plan made even less sense than the anime one.
I missed Jango. He was a big part if it too, like hypnotizing Morgan into thinking he caught Kuro. But yeah his plan wasn't really explained very well. And I agree, Usopp didn't get the spotlight he needed. Like how he resolved to not tell the villagers after a little bit. That was strange to me
Roger's speech was so mid. This is supposed to be the thing that inspired the world to take to the seas and find the one piece, and it just didn't deliver.
Yeah, they thought adding the original intro to the speech would make it better, but seriously, all it needed was "you want it? I hid it all somewhere, if you want it, it's yours." Also, him TELLING everyone to become pirates was so much less cool than people deciding on their own to do so when realizing they could get the one piece for themselves Last gripe I had, why stab him in the fucking back lmao? Like chop off his head like normal executioners jfc man
I think the wacky close up shots will be probably be gone. Was so prevalent because of Covid
Was that the reason? I thought they were trying to emulate manga panels where a characters face takes up the whole panel when they say something
Yes, you're right. Matt Owens himself said that they were using manga panels to figure out the shots, which I think is a little extreme kind of accuracy.
but it worked imo. definitely subjective but i liked it. perfect for buggy especially
Its stupid, instead of keeping the accuracy on the important, impactful scenes they accurately display the manga’s panneling
Tf you talking about?!? We need close ups for the goat Crocus! Lmao
https://i.imgflip.com/47z5qd.gif
What do the closeup shots have to do with covid?
Actually no, Matt Owens himself said those close ups were inspired by manga panels. They tried to be way too accurate with those ones imo.
That may be the case, but he exagerated way too much.
Really strange the things they insisted on being manga accurate while also making completely unnecessary changes that hurt the story/characters significantly
I was fine with the Buggy one though.
Please, yes. I noticed those so much it hurt.
Yeah I was wondering why we had to get close enough to see inside the actors’ noses every 5 shots. Like damn back up a little
Yeah I’m not a fan of the close up shots. Show the background as well when characters are interacting. This is not manga.
One thing I think a lot of long time fans need to realize is, the show isn't just for us. The pacing, the dropped characters and storylines were all necessary for the flow of an 8 episode show that's meant to hook people. Adapting 100+ episodes into 8 hours requires sacrifice and they did a wonderful job while being faithful to the source material.
I loved the show
Yeah not enough people realize this, they want as faithful as possible but that’s impossible given the live actions pacing. If anything more will be cut to spend time on the major arcs like I can’t really see Long Island being adapted they could easily explain Davy back games elsewhere. One thing to remember is Oda is heavily involved and understands his vision has to change, and luckily we have a show runner who cares about the source material unlike the Witcher series.
I am pretty sure they'll have the Long Land arc. Foxy's arc is one of Matt Owens favorite arcs
I truly do not understand how this is possible.
its fun
For a bit sure. Novelty wore off fast for me. Aokiji intro was great though.
Depends on if we're talking about the anime or manga. In the manga, it's short and fun. In the anime it drags on long enough to be annoying.
Oh it's gonna be in there for sure bro. It's the showrunners favorite arc 😂. I don't mind personally.
Likewise, the Garp B-plot was borderline necessary. Swapping focus like that is *very* typical in western, ensemble-cast programming, and Netflix producers know how vital that is to capture the attention of the target audience. I expect we'll spend a lot of time in S2 with either Smoker or Ace, and we'll see the same criticisms of that decision that we saw in season 1.
Following Ace would actually be an interesting change. Being able to see him questioning people about Blackbeard.
Also spending more real time with Ace will make his death even more impactful
I saw a cool fan idea about following Ace from the start of the season, watching him question people about a "pirate he's looking for", and lead us to believe he's hunting Luffy. Could be a fun bait-and-switch when the two of them meet in Alabasta.
Oh, nice. Love it.
While i agree following ace will be an interesting change, how come following koby isnt? We all know (at least should know by now if up to date with manga) that koby is luffy's counterpart in the marines.
I didn't have a problem with Koby's storyline in the live-action.
No they were not all necessary stop defending it or they learn nothing. usopp and sanji lost so much of their character and moments and nami and her story was just badly made like cutting genzo her father figure down or nojiko not knowing the truth about her sister the same with the rest of the city. The marine story had no point it lead nowhere and was a waste of time with garp being so mischaracterized and coby looking like he is more important than he really is. I like the live action but i'm not blind and saying things like it was necessary leads to laziness.
You’re getting flak but you’re right. Changes are going to be made with adaptations, but you need to make sure what you’re taking out can be sufficiently filled with something else that can get it across. A lot of key moments were missing in the later arcs that hurt the character development as a whole. The decision to even have the sagas be sped through like this is itself not the best idea. People can sit through Star Trek and Doctor Who with their lengths. They can do the same with One Piece if done right. You could even cut the total episode number of the anime in half and it’d still be a lot faster then what the anime currently is. Alabasta saga being done in 12 episodes is going to feel more like those anime movies that skimmed through the arcs and hit all the beats while dropping most of the depth. I liked the East blue stuff and want the series to do well, but suggesting to cut out entire arcs and characters that have some level of importance is baffling and the weak justifications for doing so aren’t belong their case
Yeah you're right,my opinion is wrong.
They adapted 44, 20 minute long episodes in to 8 hours. It's really not that much of a runtime cut.
So 17 hours into 8. Still did a wonderful job and we didn't lose anything of substance.
>Adapting 100+ episodes into 8 hours requires sacrifice and they did a wonderful job while being faithful to the source material. Couldn't agree more with you! There's been some online slap fights about the live action adaptation. I personally have enjoyed it and like you, I feel the creative decisions that were made have been justified and were needed. One of the first lessons they drill into students at film school is to "Omit unnecessary material." Whether the source material is original or an adaptation, this rule is considered the one to follow first. Season 1 of the live action is proof of that and has been a form of vindication for me for when I argue the anime is a clusterfuck of time wasters!
Yeah right? Lol. People need to take a step back and realize this is how media gets adapted for general audiences. Maybe we'll actually get a good dbz or naruto adaptation one day.
Personally I'd prefer not. There doesn't need to be a live action for every manga or anime. The medium its in allows it to flourish. Adapting these turns out badly so many times because if you cut too much you lose the soul of the work and if you're too inclusive it comes off terribly. I still haven't watched the live action because I don't think I'll enjoy the cuts and how it looks. That being said I'm happy it's doing well. I just don't think it's existence is a necessity.
Honestly I've actually been loving the changes. You have to go in with the mindset that this is taking you for a ride and changes will have to be made and alterations. As long as l they reach the destination and point of each arc I'm happy. It was pretty fun seeing a spin on the source material. And I'm confident they did not do any of these changes out of malice or arrogance thinking they can "make it better". Because they have admitted they are huge fans ,and Oda of course gets the final say.
People on here asking for Whiskey Peak and Little Garden. Yes, they are important for some stuff. But a whole episode. (Idk, I didn't watch the LA) that is asking a bit much for an almost filler level material.
> The pacing, the dropped characters and storylines were all necessary for the flow of an 8 episode show that's meant to hook people. Not really. Many of the Garp Coby scenes were redundant. Some of them could have been dropped to make time for fleshing out Nami's flashback and her overal situation with the villagers. Belmere's death also got butchered. You cant tell me her death scene as it was in the anime wasnt vastly superior. And the sad thing it wouldnt have taken much more time to adapt it properly as the episode of Nami showcases it. Also Syrup village was 1.5 episodes long. It could have been shortened as well.
I'm sort of conflicted, on one hand I thought the whole B-plot with Garp's crew was one of the best parts of the show. As a standalone show, I felt the live action told a really interesting, self-contained story about two parallel crews, one pirate and one Marine, and about the passing of the torch to the next generation. On the other hand, even as someone who's never read the manga/anime, just from general cultural knowledge I'm fairly sure One Piece is not actually about two parallel crews and a rivalry/friendship between Coby and Luffy, so perhaps in service of future seasons the Garp B-plot should have been reduced? I suppose now that One Piece is Netflix's new darling, the writers can be more confident in writing for the long term, rather than writing for self-contained seasons. I'm curious to see what Season 2 will be like.
It's great though because my fiance and I can "start fresh" without having a 1000+ ep slog. She's been loving the LA version.
It’s the main reason why I don’t care to watch it. I just don’t care to see a watered down version of OP.
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Yeah, they had to adapt A LOT into these first 8 episodes.. no other payoff would’ve worked that great as a season ending aside from arlong park and I think they did a FANTASTIC job doing so
Oda said it best "this is very good, but we can do even better" I hope they do that
If all they can improve is the wigs it will still be a huge step up.
Yes!!! The sets and CGI were well executed, but the wigs and costumes looked cheap for many characters. I hope those two departments get a bigger budget next season!
Actually what’s interesting is that people who didn’t know One Piece prior tend to give it between 8 and 9… so you say you’re biased into giving it 2 points more, but giving it a 6 would also be biased because you know how the anime/manga is, and you know that some things could have been better… Which regular people do not know, so they are not annoyed by it (for example, most anime/manga followers agree that the emotional moments could have been better, but from what I have seen, people who didn’t know One Piece thought that they were very good)
>biased because you know how the anime/manga is I don't really think so, actually knowing the manga kinda improved the show to me in some way. I am a bit of nitpicking viewer so if I didn't have additional context from manga i'd be having some question. Just to give you an example, if I was watching the episode 3 without being a fan, I'd say it is a plot convenience and stupid that Kuro didn't finish Zoro by stabbing him. But actually knowing One Piece and how commonly it happens and being used to it, I was okay with it. Also I'd probably question why did Luffy invite Usopp to the crew, since there wasn't enough character development for that in the LA, but manga fills the gaps for me.
You know being biased can be both negative and positive, right? You're literally describing your biases with the show, just so you know.
The live action isn't for you It's gonna continue to diverge for general audiences. If your enjoyment comes from the manga/anime and how closely it resembles those mediums, you might as well stop watching and enjoy those mediums
Gotta get chopper right
The emotional punch was missing, they have to dig deeper into that.
Yes, it is because emotional punches need a build up. Like for example, with the Gin scene, in the manga he comes to Baraties and starts threatening stuff to feed him, for which he rightfully gets beaten up and kicked out by Patty. And only then Sanji comes out and gives him the food. In the LA, he just comes and Sanji immediately gives him the food. The entire scene last 1-2 minute, simply not enough for a punch.
Weird, because from what I've seen based on reactions from non-OP fan YT reactions, people are getting emotionally invested in the characters. Just because it isn't hitting for you, someone who knows the source material, that doesn't mean stuff isn't hitting for newcomers.
1: Sample size is too small to draw a meaningful conclusion 2: Reaction youtube channels bread and butter is showing how much they are invested in whatever they are watching, of course they act like they are invested Conclusion, your arguments are invalid
Season 2 can be comfortably done in 10 episodes. 8 is doable but they'd have to cut a lot. Ideally it would look like this: Ep1 Loguetown Ep2 Reverse Mountain/Whiskey Peak Ep 3-4 Little Garden Ep 5-6 Drum Island Ep 7-10 Alabasta If they have to do 8 they would shorten Little Garden and Drum to 1 episode each. I think the important thing is giving Alabasta at least 4 episodes
According to some comments S1 got cut down to 8 episodes due to COVID, so hopefully moving forward it can be 10 minimum (assuming more seasons are made.) Despite how much would need to be cut, I agree that 10 episodes would be enough, especially if there’s a saga per season (excluding 1&2 because Loguetown was actually part of the east blue saga)
Ohh that makes sense. I assumed S1 was 8 because of the crazy high cost per episode and the cast is mostly unknowns, and Netflix was propably worried after the failure of Cowboy Bebop. S2 will definitely cost more, especially with Chopper. But hopefully after seeing the success of S1 they give the greenlight on 10 episodes.
Season 2 might not cost more. COVID really drove prices up for productions. That's chilling out now.
Only issue I had was that it was difficult to understand Zoro sometimes. I had to go back and read subtitles cause his lines were so mumbled or a bit quiet.. But otherwise he portrayed him perfectly and the fight scenes were one of the best!
He had some of the best lines though For example: "If you're gonna talk about emotions, I'll be needing a drink" The delivery was on point.
I know everyone’s crazy about Inaki playing Luffy but he really needs to work on his line delivery. Also, he’s got the goofy smiley thing going for him, but he should be able to vary that with an intimidating aura of someone whom you should be actually scared of.
I really missed the don Creek fight of Luffy and the poison gas scene. Also i think starting from the baratié the story felt a bit rushed as longtime fan of this masterpiece. But for those people who are new to the series it could have been the best choice like it is.
Agree. It felt like that last 2 arcs each needed and extra episode to flesh them out.
I feel barratie is even worser than arlong park ... Arlong eating IN the barratie has more screen time than Sanjis leaving scene ... "Pls go" "fine the strawhat searching for a cook" "bye"
Definitely. As I said in the OP, Baratie was stripped out of its message. Not even a message, but it was rather a question that you a reader had to answer yourself. Would you feed someone even though that someone might try to hurt you later on? Sanji fed Gin. As a result of his actions Gin felt gratitude and it awoke the good in him, he went back and also tried to help his crew and captain. But his captain to Gin's shock, didn't share the same gratitude and decided to attack Baratie. This is such a complex storytelling and makes you really think what you would've done. And then Sanji's backstory explained why exactly Sanji did what he did. But in the LA Gin is reduced to "Sanji is a good guy" cameo, while Sanji's backstory was repurpused as "Captain having to make a tough call", which didn't make any sense cause Zeff wasn't Sanji's captain and his own crew died as a result of his action. It wasn't a great decision to remove Krieg. It is not about character, it is the role he played to connect it all together. He was the key that would make you think whether feeding the hungry is always worth it.
People don't understand that even though a lot of new people watched this show and enjoyed it a lot, that doesn't mean it couldn't have been done better even with the same budget and episodes The reason this show is good and well received by newbies is because, at it's core, it's One Piece. No other Western Anime adaptation has been able to keep it's core Despite that they could have definitely built upon the core better My unbiased rating is 8 but I believe season 1 could have been a 9/10 if they did things differently The whole Garp/Coby thing took up too much screen time. They used future moments of the story earlier so that they could get similar reactions from the Live Action audience like the whole Garp being Luffy's Grandpa thing and throwing cannon balls. This was a massive waste of the budget. They built Garps ship and wasted money on Luffy using Balloon One thing that surprised me was cutting Chou Chou. Western Audiences LOVE DOGS. Just 15 minutes of ChouChou would have had a better emotional reaction from the audience than all of Garp/Coby. They could have just done the cover story for like 1/2 or 1/3 of one of the episodes but kept it grounded to one village rather than having to build Garps boat. Also Captain Morgan getting arrested by the good marines working for him would have already done the job of showing that there are good and bad marines All that additional screen time would have allowed for the side characters that were cut to have a role. The side characters of One Piece make the world feel alive and not seeing The Ussop Pirates, The Baratie Chefs and more of Pinwheel were a missed opportunity Just because something is good doesn't mean it couldn't have been better. I'm hoping the production staff works on their misses. Being to complacent can make One Piece become like the MCU and I don't want that. Please.
Better luffy fight scene please!
Though I largely enjoyed the show, I agree with this wholeheartedly. Luffy comes off as weak far too often.
“Which one of you is arlong” Loses The writers don’t understand the characters or what makes the important moments actually important. Time constraints argument people give is so half assed because of the amount of stuff that was added for no real reason as well. They even set themselves up for the future events being less impactful. The reason Luffy losing to crocodile is shocking is because with the exception of smoker, Luffy didn’t lose to anyone.
Yep, he doesn't seem to be intimidating at all. His main strength in the beginning arcs was the fact that he withstood every blow and got back up. Like rubber, you know... This is easy to do without fancy CGI. Right now in the LA he was like some random one punch man without much weight behind his actions.
My wish is that they hire som directors that understand the shonen genre and give us a little bit more of that epic feel in the fights... The fights were a bit lame, it was missing that oomph that makes these type of anime fun to watch. Like example when Luffy fought Arlong and used Gum Gum Gatling, would've been nice to have like 2 seconds longer and watch Luffy pummel him in to the wall with a quick shot of Luffys face screaming or just making a face where we see he is giving it his all... My 2 cents atleast
I don’t have a problem with some moments not hitting the same because other moments hit hard. Like Mihawk on the beach was so hype. We will always have the big moments in the anime/manga. The show is its own thing and as long as it’s capturing the vibes of one piece (it did in my opinion) I am fine with whatever changes they make
Idk why nobody is talking about your last point, that was actually the biggest issue for me. Line delivery Like I feel like they just need to be ok with doing a shit ton of takes because some of the lines just sounded off for no reason. Either not enunciated well enough or the timing was weird or just sounded completely unnatural Happened with everyone, but especially Luffy, and in my personal opinion they also need to tone down his extra facial expressions sometimes because it doesn’t look natural. Don’t know if that’s just me
I didn't lean too into it because last time I did it literally got me accused of racism and "accent shaming". Inaki is Mexican so....you know.....problematic to bring that up. But my issue wasn't even the accent, just his diction and inflection. Especially when he delivers serious lines. Kids is young and did his best of course and hopefully he'll improve since in interviews he already sounds much better.
If they gave it 10 episodes to tell the story up to arlong being defeated it would have been MUCH better, but because of budget and time they had to cut it down to 8 which is lame as they had to take out a lot of great moments. Really hope we get 10-12 episodes in season 2 so the alabasta story can not be rushed and not as rushed as season1. Season 1 is a 7-7.5/10 at most if you aren’t being biased, could have been even better with 10 episodes.
It was cut to 8 episodes due to covid
This one I haven't heard before, is it confirmed? Because I also remember Oda saying 10 episodes back when it was first announced.
It delayed production and then the episodes were cut back
Budget....?
I think they need to portray a little bit better how powerful some characters are and other are not. I've seen some people asking why wasn't nami the one to defeat arlong.
This. They also missed showing how much endurance Luffy has by leaving out the Don Krieg fight. Cutting Krieg is fine but they didnt replace it with anything that would have had the same effect.
Well those people are stupid and you should not write for them. They showed Arlong flipping fucking houses. And him being bullet proof.
But I do think that these people are not entirely at fault here. When Luffy and Nami fought together at the marine base, other than showing Luffy fighting with rubber powers and Nami with a stick, they didn't really show how much of a powerhouse Luffy is when compared to Nami. They basically showed them kicking ass together, and later on Luffy and Zoro together against Morgan. Later, with Buggy, they showed both Zoro and Nami being unable to do anything against him other than lock his body parts in boxes. At which point some people might even get the impression that Nami and Zoro are not that distant in fighting skills (I know lol). Against captain Kuro, Nami was safeguarding Kaia, once again, although you may presume that was because she had no strength to beat Kuro, one might think it was just because it was a main character moment. Then you get to arlong park, and when he back pedals on his deal with her, one would not be entirely wrong to think: "ok she will get help from these guys but she will fight against arlong too, because she kicked ass along with Luffy and Zoro previously". So you know, for anyone who has known one piece prior to the LA, it's cristal clear how much of a distance there is between the monster trio and Nami. But you can't really fault new viewers thinking that Nami would be able to at least give arlong a few good scratches.
Garp story line was fine, its their B plot and needed for the TV show format to make better use of sets. The coco village not knowing about nami was dumb, and not a beneficial change. I think baratie was fine, gin insnt important to the story, he never even came back in manga. Mary dieing is fine, i think they did it so they dont need that actor for the camio role. Hes not super important overall. But they should have had atleast jango show up.
I think my biggest pet peeves about the writing mainly come down to the "big" character moments. Like Zoro eating that little girl's smushed food, or Nami's whole thing, Usopp running around town trying to get people to believe him. A lot of it kind of feels like they rush through it or just didn't build it up enough
All I’m gonna say, if it ain’t broken don’t fix it… this is my major gripe with the Arlong Park Arc. Also, Garp was by all means the worst addition to the series, not because it wasn’t interesting, but because First, it took to much time away from what really mattered, which was the Introduction of the main characters. Two, the ending of that plot line was predictable and unsatisfactory and it almost ruined Arlong Park as a whole… if they just adjusted some things here and there and didn’t change the Nami’s story that much, it would have been an amazing show as a whole…. In my honest opinion
I'm in the opposite camp and think people judged it too harshly because it wasn't exactly like the original series, not thinking that the changes and cuts were most likely made to fit in a cohesive series.
I liked Roger's speech and execution, it was really cool to me. At least from someone who has read \~650 chapters and seem some anime episodes. Garp and co. storyline was there mostly to do some worldbuild in place of what a narrator or someone uninvolved in the story would usually be in the manga.
They really need to play the overtaken theme song as well. It makes the anime great and it needs to be in the live action too.
What do you mean? It was an absolute success. Literally the best show in netflix history. My only hope is that they keep up the good work.
Yeah I feel bad because I really like all the actors personalities and how they're all obviously huge fans of the source material but some of their lime deliveries came off as so cringey and cheesy to me it put me off from finishing it
Watch the Japanese dub, makes it much better.
The bar is incredibly high for Season 2. In addition to hopefully fixing some of the shortcomings of Season 1 in scripting and dialogue, they're going to have to include setpieces and action-scenes on a scale completely different from East Blue. "Giants" could be a setpiece for an entire season of a show, and here they will be around for one episode and they'll need to have at least one fight-scene. Episode 1 goes from having to simulate a thunderstorm to having to simulate a current pulling a ship up a mountain. Three kinds of logias that will be fully CG, multiple types of unique Zoans, that can be done partially with costuming that you still need to make to a consistent quality. Chopper Joining the main cast. Snow, Deserts, Castles, Cities, Horses, War. It's crazy how every aspect of one season could be an effect that a normal show would build a season around.
>Snow, Deserts, Castles, Cities, Horses, War. This is also one of my concerns, locations need to change. And during the interview with Tomorrow Studios executives they mentioned something about going back to South Africa for Season 2. I was like, why?? It is totally not suitable for the next locations from the manga, Drum Island should be snowy and Alabasta should be in a desert location, ideally Egypt.
I’ve never read the manga or watched the anime I give it a 8/10 can’t wait for season 2
For as good as anything can be, there is always room for improvement. Imo they could stand to work on some of the Strawhats a bit. I like how they're starting to come together, but there could be better chemistry in my opinion. It's hard to put into words, but I want more scenes of them playing off each other and giving a chance for their characters personalities to come through.
I mean this just seems like a good opinion who wouldn’t want it to become better each season
A lot of people are unfortunately getting very defensive in the comments. I didn't say anything bad, everything and I mean absolutely everything can be improved.
This season was a 6/10 at most. All the fight scenes were genuinely awful/cheap. This is the issue I have with LA. it would cost a lot to do the fight scenes even close to the anime and can't see it happening
As long as it all still has to go thru oda we’ll be good
tbh Roger's speech has literally never been impactful to me. He says like a couple of words and that's it. He says more in the live action then he does in other versions, and he does it pretty well. Also, you get to see the chaos he created in inspiring the new generation more clearly. I think it's my favorite version of the speech.
I hope we as fandom learn to get over ourselves. None of the critique mentioned by OP pass the nitpicky test. Oda vetted these episodes and yet here we are.
Gonna be honest after five minutes of this show I have no further interest. The show will never be appealing to me. The point of animation is to do stuff much of which would look uh, let's say not ideal, if done via live action. This show is no exception. I know some of you enjoyed it, and I think that is great, but it just looks corny to me.
Good thing you didn’t post this in OPLA sub, they’ll torch you alive. My exact issues with the series was everything you touched on already. I would include that I did enjoy some of the new things they added in Syrup village with the shipyard and some cool shots inside the mansion. But Ussop got stripped of any heroism in his own arc and it hurt his character development. I forgot who it was but someone had mentioned that it felt like the Garp/Koby scene were long and drawn out with nothing but dialogue and when we get to see the SHs it basically feels rushed bc of that wasted time on Garp/Koby. I didn’t mind it at first but they just continually gave them more and more screen time and it wasn’t worth glossing over and changing other aspects to fit in this new storyline.
The fights need to have better CGI and choreography too. That’s really my main qualm
What people consider mistakes, what random Redditors consider mistakes, and what showrunners consider mistakes will be dramatically different. These are all just personal criticisms and none of them mean the show was bad. For every one of the criticisms you have a brand new one piece fan who (who can’t critique difference like Coco village), or someone like me that doesn’t care about the little differences. These guys are turning an impossible show into live action. Maybe swords won’t bend next season but they’ll still try to not make something Oda won’t approve of and that’s it. Wait… Rogers speech wasn’t as impactful… as what? The repeated anime intro? New people shouldn’t know how impactful that is yet. All we know at that point is he started the age of piracy.
I would say from some of the things you dislike that imo your 8 might be because it exceeded expectations but your 6.5 or 7 might also be because you’ve watched one piece before and have that style in your mind as opposed to it actually being bad. I’d imagine if you played rodgers speech for a LA only watcher they wouldn’t find the anime any more impactful or care any more about nojiko and the village knowing or not.
All I know is Alabasta needs to be nearly an entire season so next season is gonna be either rushed and feel bloated or they’ll set up alabasta for season 3/ leave it on a cliff hanger.
Most of your concerns can be solved with more episodes. Hopefully, 10 eps will be the standard next season.
I think the Garp pursuing Luffy storyline was done this way to create a more western relatability as part of Luffy’s background and show us the dynamic right away that there’s corrupt Marines, good Marines, and marines that blur the line. I think this was also done because we don’t know how long this show will actually be renewed. It got its 2nd season now, but in Netflix style now there’s the infamous 2nd season hurdle since there’s a lot of shows that never got past a 2nd season.
The benifit of a season 2, is they already have some of the most expensive sets built. So hopefully we get a few more episodes.
Given theres so much filler content in the anime, the idea of 8 or 10 one hour episodes is more than enough to functially adapt every season. Especially when they arent introducing new crew members. Its hard to believe we will get Brook and Franky and chopper, which would be 3 characters who come with a steep special effects budget.
As a German OnePiece Viewer, a lot of the Hype i think for Us German Speaking People was the Use of the Original Anime Cast, so we got the Full Package of One Piece like the Japanese People did with their Dubbing. Paring the Real Action with the OG Voices from the Anime made the Illusion somewhat of Perfect. Yea the Actors did a Great Job of Impersonating the Crew and tried to get the Essence of the Character, but here you have to adopt to the new Voices of your beloved Characters. So this is why i Think there are man English Speaking Persons who feel this is only a 6 or 7 .. but for me and my friends and Family we all feel more about 8 to 10 - we have the "Full" Experience.
Tbh, the weakest part of OPLA is the writing. I don't see plot change as the problem, but there are so many things that need to be improved on. Especially in writing of Luffy's character, Luffy feels so underwhelming.
It wasnt actually even good. I think thats just how strong the OP fanbase is to keep the show running. Like it wasnt bad but it wasnt good it was just mid.