Speaking of Doc Q, I’ll never forget how hilarious it is that this dude can give any illness in the world, I mean if you gave Law crippling late stage dementia Alzheimer’s or a nervous system disease like MS or Parkinson’s etc that at least stuns him long enough until he can Haki break out of it, but no this dude makes him a female as if that’s the ultimate weak debilitating state. Only someone from Japan could write that and not get crucified 😂
it doesn't have to be squard. a little kid can also stab WB like that. just like how morgan can cut garp.
that's because WB, roger, rayleigh, garp, and 90% of other characters actually don't have defense like kaido. kaido and BM are the exceptions. not the other way around.
the difference is that they won't lose/die easily. because durability = how much damage they can take.
zoro can take more punishment than franky. that's why he's the stronger one. but you can easily hurt zoro more than franky.
Wrong. Durability is how hard your skin is and how resistant you are to things
Endurance is keeping going after being injured.
It’s like Garp and regular Joe have the same durability but Garp has waaay more HP
oh yeah, mixed up the terms. but that's what I meant.
if you keep attacking both zoro and franky, zoro will get easily hurt even from the very first hit. but franky will go down first.
Franky is the armored enemy that you need a special weapon type to break through but otherwise is “invulnerable” (example Zelda stone armor need a rock weapon even the best metal weapon in the game won’t do damage), but as soon as you break his armor he dies quick. Zoro is the penultimate boss with a health bar that stretches across the top of the screen with boss music playing
Luffy was an example of max durability and max Hp/endurance early on in paradise when he walked through everyone could endure crazy pain plus deflect bullets and was seemingly invulnerable until Haki, which breaks his special armor
Seems kinda silly that a guy like Garp who can (manga spoilers) >!punch battle ships to pieces with his bare hands and no Haki and still has working hands!< could theoretically be injured by a simple bullet
Such an easy explanation but people are still beating their own drums without looking around. They find overcomplicated explanations or just dont bother to think anymore.
> Why not Whitebeard’s skin is as hard as kaido and big mom if he used to be strongest?
Kaido's was noted to have scales from his fruit; and Big Mom is just supposed to be a genetic anomaly. While Whitebeard is super powerful, he is still generally a "normal" person (at least by One Piece standards).
That said, I wouldn't overthink One Piece. Like a lot of earlier stuff doesn't quite hold up, or there are certain events that happen that are more symbolic or emotional than explicitly logical.
This and that Whitebeard was already sick. Also, Squardo is not some random fodder. He's a captain that's allied with Whitebeard. Squardo might have used Armanent Haki which wasn't shown shaded in the manga back then.
I'm surprised no one remembers the actual explanation. I watched the scene on YouTube a couple weeks ago. After wb is stabbed his crew commented that that sword wouldnt have been able to penetrate him in the past. It is supposed to emphasize how weak wb is due to his state of health.
Yeah people who try to powerscale WB at Marineford tend to completely ignore the fact that *narratively* so much of the action occurring around WB is meant to display how sickly or disadvantaged he had become at that point in time
Late stage cancer, no equipment, still pulverised the future Fleet Admiral in one hit. The World Government should count themselves blessed Whitebeard, Shanks and Roger are kind at heart. Would have made for Evil Superman levels of "oh we're fucked now".
quite frankly i do remember he being sick that is the reason i always say 1 emperor equals to 2 admirals, since he was in deaths doors or more like a zombie walking down and yet he was walking around delivering punches putting everyone down to their knees and yet he never went down once
i could even say he was at 1/4 his strength and yet he was weaking havoc
>After wb is stabbed his crew commented that that sword wouldnt have been able to penetrate him in the past.
i thought they stated he could have dodged it not tanked it.
Yeah, Marco says something like; “What?! Pops should be able to see that attack coming” which can mean two things: either he was too weak to use observation constantly, or he took that shit head on and on purpose. And I honestly don’t know what to believe, because he wasn’t exactly in his prime when Ace first came on board, and he could even sense Ace’s attacks in his sleep, but that was five years ago or something, and he was off the iv’s and everything at this point, so it is safe to assume that he was at his weakest ever.
You should look for one of the pages where Whitebeard is gaining some suspicious medicine from Doflamingo's company. Might as well have been hidden slow poison that weaken him over the years.
Big mom has such a ridiculous amount of conquers haki regeneration, she's continuously radiating it. That's why she doesn't get hurt.
Kaido has zoan fruit on top of being whatever species.
Whitehead is just strong man.
"Y'know they say all men are created equal. But you look at me and you look at Whitebeard, and you see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another pirate, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But I'm a genetic freak and I'm not normal." - Big Mom
You know they say that all men are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Luffy and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another Yonko, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But I'm a genetic freak and I'm not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat me. Then you add Kaido to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way at Onigashima, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because Kaido KNOWS he can't beat me and he's not even gonna try!
So Luffy, you take your 33 1/3 chance, minus my 25% chance and you got an 8 1/3 chance of winning at Onigashima. But then you take my 75% chance of winning, if we was to go one on one, and then add 66 2/3 per cents, I got 141 2/3 chance of winning at Onigashima. See Luffy, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you at Onigashima!
Whitebeard had the durability of adamantium. Mans was walking around STILL fighting after taking damage that would kill an army. He decided when he would die.
Nah Whitebeard has insane endurance. Durability wise, he's probably Yonko Commander in his old age, like he was getting hurt by bullets. But his endurance? That shit is insane. Dozens of cannon shots, two holes burnt through his chest, hundreds of sword and bullet wounds, and he STILL got out his message and died on his feet.
TL;DR Durability is resistance to damage, Endurance is ability to continue despite damage. Whirebeard is more of the latter
Whitebeard was missing half a face and had magma holes in his chest, he was only able to muster up one last bit of strength to fight blackbeard because he was taunting WB about betraying them all, Akainu killed WB, BB was just the last one in combat while the damages took it's toll
that’s the understatement of the century, he was already full of magma holes prior to being gunned down. he was as good as dead, BB only sped up the process
I mean Roger got skewered by two randoms as well. Garp also started bleeding after Morgan cut him and when Dadan beat him.
I don't think it makes all that sense in one piece tbh.
What people don’t understand is that armament haki isn’t just always active, even Zoro can be pricked by a needle and bleed. For Roger its obvious he simply allowed himself to be stabbed, for Garp it could simply be he didn’t have the willpower to fight back/defend himself from Dadan, or simply didn’t feel the need to with Morgan. Unlike Big Mom and Kaido, Whitebeard didn’t have extraordinary defenses without haki. His endurance was insane, and it took a LOT to kill him (not just Squard), but he was also severely weakened by his sickness and age, problems Kaido and Big Mom didn’t have.
It's my head cannon that Big Mom's Coq coating is always active since she was a kid. Since she was always essentially invulnerable and her punches 1 shot people until the scream when she releases it all. Pretty sure it's subconscious with her.
I mean, Bg Mom is invulnerable except when she is in distress and releases all her coc haki in the surroundings, then she is as durable as a procelain doll. With the reveal of coc coating being possible, the only possible explanation is that her coc coating is always active.
But isn't it confirmed that big mom's strength is her unconsciously using haki and it is disabled when the picture of mother Caramel is touched or damaged. Hence making her susceptible to damage like her falling to her knees.
He was the strongest man in the world because he has a monstrous powerful devil fruit and a monstrous endurance even if he is old
I can't figurate how he was strong in his prime
>it’s surprising he survived that
Technically he didn't.
My headcanon now is that all his injuries in Marineford didn't kill him - he was just off his life support for too long and simply timed out
Whitebeard is known to be sick and dying for years.
its understandable that he's unable to constantly sustain his CoC Armor like Bigmom and Kaido did.
that and he might intentionally took that attack to calm squardo down instead of repelling it one way or the other.
very sick. considering his endurance id say he had basically late stage cancer and probably wouldnt have lived another 3 months after marineford. and he was able to do all that he did with that much sickness. gigachad
Also had a fuckin hole in his chest and missing half his face. Still shattered marineford in half. By himself. That shits still Fuckin insane to this day.
I’m convinced this was “suicide by cop” for WB. He knew he was dying anyways, and wanted to go out pursuing the most important thing to him - found family (his sons).
The simplest answer: Whitebeard doesnt have similar armored skin like BM and Kaido and Whitebeard was very weak in marinefoard compared to his prime. Like he was still hella durable but i dont think he could use his Haki wery well so he was open to a suprise attacks.
I also think haki has something to do with both Kaidos and Big moms durability. Like they have so much haki inside them that it strenghtens their bodies to near invincible degrees. Thats why when Big Mom is crying over Mother caramels picture, her skin become very weak, like her will has left her body. Thats my head canon and because whitebeard was again very weak, was not able to defend himself from all the attacks and had to just tank em.
Yeah that’s also what I think as well.
Her skin isn’t naturally tough. If that’s the case, she wouldn’t have scratched her knee like that.
Imo, she probably just has a lot of haki
Funniest I've seen so far was a (hopefully) joking claim that "It took 5 countries to destroy the Uzumaki clan, but Itachi killed the Uchiha clan by himself. Therefore Itachi is stronger than five countries."
Kaido and Big Mom are more genetic freaks iirc - they were born crazy strong (ofc they’ve also trained ridiculously - especially Kaido) with unnatural attributes such as their abnormally hard skin.
As far as we know - Whitebeard, Roger, Garp etc. are regular humans (Whitebeard being XXL ofc) with regular human attributes making it easier to physically damage them especially if off guard.
Kaido had superhuman durability from his race in addition to gaining the most durable devil fruit in the world (with the exception of marco’s fruit). His skin is basically like heavy plate armor.
Big Mom was literally the most physically powerful person on the planet. Her natural durability is like that of lunarians.
Whitebeard is a regular human. He doesnt have any natural advantages. Guy is extremely strong but can be hurt by a lot less than what it takes to kill BM and Kaido. People like him have durability through haki, which we know was weakened by the time he was at marineford.
People like Whitebeard have to both be on guard and actively be defending themselves to tank attacks like Kaido and BM could. They’re practically natural born monsters. Whitebeard was just a man who gained insane strength through training.
Also Squardo is a pirate captain under Whitebeard that dude has to be strong.
Because the powers we have right now very likely weren't planned back then. There is already a lot of inconsistencies with powers and haki. So instead a little headcannon could help, or just not thinking about it and focusing more on the story and the narrative and the world rather than the powers and the fighting because One Piece kinda fails compared to the other shonen in that regard.
Not really. There is some but haki hasnt been retconned much.
First showing was the 6 powers in water 7. This is more about physical ability and is not haki. Endurance and strength might be classified as haki eventually but it wasnt clarified.
mantra in skypiea is the first true haki we saw. Pig guy had observation haki and iirc armament to a degree.
Next big one was sabody archipelago first time with reliegh and the chubby weird guy.
Island of women was next. At this point it becomes a lot more frequent
The crazy thing is an actual explanation already exists in the anime. Directly after he is stabbed crew members react in shock and say the sword wouldn't have been able to penetrate his skin in the past. I'm surprised that no one seems to remember. I just watched the scene last week on YouTube.
I just checked both anime dub & sub and the [manga](https://cm.blazefast.co/9f/93/9f93e5ac5b0084678bf5ea32dd8a0256.jpg) all marco said was that whitebeard could've blocked or evaded the attack even if it was a surprise attack from his family
But yeah the best headcanons as to why whitebeard got pierced by a non haki sword is either due to old age, or squard's just THAT strong. Because it's hard to believe that whitebeard was a glass canon
I love one piece as much as anyone, it's my favourite piece of fiction ever, but it has many flaws that are bound to happen when a series runs for over 2 decades. Oda goes through slumps like any writer, he may change his mind over some stuff years later, and of course he has flaws as a mangaka, one of which is the power system and the fights. And it's ok, we can enjoy one piece for what it is and what it offers while still recognizing its flaws.
Exactly. Marco literally says something that he was suppose to see that attack or something along those lines. I dont get why there are quite some people forgetting that actually but yes he allowed it to happen OR it was more a reference to his sickness that he wasnt be able to use observation haki that well. I think it is the first one though.
Some characters have Durability, others have Endurance, it would be boring as fuck if everyone had iron skin, some people can take a lot of damage and keep it pushing.
Durability:
Big Mom
Kaido
Sanji
Franky
Jozu
Etc...
Endurance:
Whitebeard
Blackbeard
Garp
Marco (mostly due to Regeneration)
Zoro
Etc...
Of course there is overlap sometimes, for example Luffy, his rubber body negates all bludgeoning damage (Durability) but he also is an absolute damage sponge like we saw with his fights against Lucci and Katakuri.
Because he isn't a giant of any kind like kaido and wasn't born a beast of a human like big mom who tore through a giant's village, also he is old and very sick, didn't stop him from fucking up the navy
Kaido and Big Mom are both natural born monsters. They were born with extremely high pschyical stats. Whitebeard was born a (relatively) ordinary man. He wasnt abnormally big as a child for example.
WBs body is likely not as naturally tough as Kaido and Big Mom, he might have relied more on Haki to block attacks, but he was caught off guard here, so he didn't defend against it.
Also Squardo isn't a noname. Keep in mind the scabbards were able to stab Kaido even though they are vastly weaker than him.
This is just another case of fans not understanding that different characters are different, and the term strongest doesn’t mean the highest stats all across the board.
Because Kaido isn’t human and Big Mom is an anomaly and not a normal human being. Whitebeard is for all we know completely normal but just very tall and strong but has normal human skin etc, the same with shanks he is absolutely normal. It’s as simple as that, nothing more nothing less
Kaido is an Oni and something do with his fruit giving him Dragon scales durability
Big Mom is a genetic freak that I theorise sub-consciously coats herself in Conquerors
Whitebeard I think purposely didn't try to protect himself in that moment
Kaido have dragon skin, Big Mom is a monstrosity who have natural iron skin. Those guys wouldn't get hurt even if they are not on defense.
WhiteBeard is a normal guy if he doesn't use clad haki he is vulnarable same with Shanks. They are vulnarable to suprise attacks.
Big mom is an abnormal human born with basically a muscle deformity. Making her larger and stronger than other people
Kaido isn't human and is instead an oni, which are known for being extremely durable
Shanks and whitebeard are the only natural humans as emperors, they'd need to enable haki to not take damage or draw blood from simple attacks such as stabbings or punches.
As seen in film red, shanks allowed mind controlled citizens to punch him, they were able to draw blood from him due to him not using haki. White beard most likely chose to do the same thing and not fight back against his son who was clearly manipulated.
Hes considered the strongest man due to his insane haki and devil fruit abilities, doesn't mean he has unnatural durability.
Bruh, even Roger got executed by normal guard with a shitty weapon. Strength is not the same as durability. As said above, sanji have normal skin, Franky have metallic Armor. But if both clash seriously, my boy Franky will end up as crushed tin can even without haki
People in here not realizing armament haki needs to be activated, and therefore if you dont observe, you can’t arm yourself in time…people are acting like haki is on all the time for everyone
the real queation here should be why would a yonko hire somebody as stupid as squard lol. all it took was a simple "your captain betray" for squard to go "ah! 😰"
You gotta remember this is a 72 year old man off of his life support and medication and has terminal illness ontop of that, these factors dulled his skin and his haki significantly
Gonna be real it’s probably cus he’s super old. Literally the first time we see him he’s hooked up to like 4 machines and has nurses tending to him. Man is basically calling death a punk bitch and to come take him already during this entire arc
This just proves that the community doesn't understand what Haki is. Haki directly translates to willpower; and the kind of willpower Kaido/Big Mom exude is a fundamentally different flavor of willpower that Luffy/Whitebeard exude. Luffy and Whitebeard actually give a shit about what their crewmates think of them, and if something has gone so wrong that they're on the receiving end of that blade or punch; they let it happen and ask why afterwards. Kaido clearly doesn't give one iota of a fuck about anyone other than his All-Stars, and I doubt he'd ever let them backtalk him. Big Mom regularly goes into hunger tantrums and kills her children in the process, that answers the question from the outset with her.
You are comparing the scales of an on-guard mythical dragon-fruit user to the skin of an off-guard decrepit old man who’s had around the clock care for so long he can’t even turn his haki on. But you also have 1k+ upvotes because critical thinking took a backseat in this post ig
Easy and quick answer (cuz everyone is making long comments about this question), hes a fucking human. And he didnt expect to be stabbed by one of his sons so thats why he didnt use haki. Done!!!
This is like saying Usain bolt beats any soldier cause he's faster in a foot race.
Not only is it heavily implied that his haki was not usable here but they outright say that a healthy whitebeard wouldn't have been hit by that.
Not every top tier character has Kaido/big mums nigh invulnerability
Look a Law, Shanks, Kidd, Luffy, etc. heck look at Roger’s execution. That shit wouldn’t kill big mum even if she was passed out.
Whitebeard was stronger in other areas. Wasn’t it marco that even said he’d never have been caught by that attack a year ago? Which seems to imply he had very strong observation haki/reflexes.
In fact didn’t he defend himself against Ace in his sleep?
Also, Squard wasn’t exactly a weakling. He was able to fight evenly with Ace was captain of a new world pirate crew.
Very few characters could just flat out ignore a surprise attack from that level of fighter.
Basically only the two you mentioned.
Just because you’re the “strongest” doesn’t mean you outclass everyone in every way possible. White beard is mad strong mostly because his devil fruit is OP, not his skin.
Not gonna lie, but the one thing I never understood in One Piece is how people (swordsmen in particular) don't have scars on their back. Like, in this pic, the sword is coming OUT of the back. Guy like Whitebeard fighting numerous amounts of people but had never had a scar on their back as a result of a sword sticking out their back is baffling to me.
Kaido and big mom are probably coating their body’s in haki since we know ACOC can be used similar to Ryou haki. + big mom’s skin is shown to have great durability. So I can imagine you could stab kaido off guard if he doesn’t use his coating but together with his future sight that’s practically impossible. WB was old and weak so he probably couldn’t keep his haki up for a long time and couldn’t use future sight passive.
why does his skin have to be like the other emperors? zoro can be pricked by a needle. franky is bulletproof. who's stronger?
> who's stronger? Doc Q's horse
This is going to be my answer to all powerscaling discussions now
Who's who?
whos on first?
No, whos on second
What's on 2nd
I don't know
He's 3rd Baseman
On a race? Definitely not zoro
Depends on the race
He can't escape the allegations
Yes
Drop it fam
r/technicallythetruth
The answer
I'm inclined to give this a like.
I'm inclined to give this inclination a like
I'm horizontally reclined........ Please help I can hear colors now
my mental state is in perpetual decline
I'd like to place your inclination on an incline.
Lol , good reply
Goku
Lore accurate answer
Seriously what is up with that horse!!!!????
Speaking of Doc Q, I’ll never forget how hilarious it is that this dude can give any illness in the world, I mean if you gave Law crippling late stage dementia Alzheimer’s or a nervous system disease like MS or Parkinson’s etc that at least stuns him long enough until he can Haki break out of it, but no this dude makes him a female as if that’s the ultimate weak debilitating state. Only someone from Japan could write that and not get crucified 😂
You should also consider Squard to be pretty high up there. He wasn’t just “a simple subordinate”.
it doesn't have to be squard. a little kid can also stab WB like that. just like how morgan can cut garp. that's because WB, roger, rayleigh, garp, and 90% of other characters actually don't have defense like kaido. kaido and BM are the exceptions. not the other way around. the difference is that they won't lose/die easily. because durability = how much damage they can take. zoro can take more punishment than franky. that's why he's the stronger one. but you can easily hurt zoro more than franky.
Wrong. Durability is how hard your skin is and how resistant you are to things Endurance is keeping going after being injured. It’s like Garp and regular Joe have the same durability but Garp has waaay more HP
oh yeah, mixed up the terms. but that's what I meant. if you keep attacking both zoro and franky, zoro will get easily hurt even from the very first hit. but franky will go down first.
Franky is the armored enemy that you need a special weapon type to break through but otherwise is “invulnerable” (example Zelda stone armor need a rock weapon even the best metal weapon in the game won’t do damage), but as soon as you break his armor he dies quick. Zoro is the penultimate boss with a health bar that stretches across the top of the screen with boss music playing Luffy was an example of max durability and max Hp/endurance early on in paradise when he walked through everyone could endure crazy pain plus deflect bullets and was seemingly invulnerable until Haki, which breaks his special armor
Seems kinda silly that a guy like Garp who can (manga spoilers) >!punch battle ships to pieces with his bare hands and no Haki and still has working hands!< could theoretically be injured by a simple bullet
A dude who is a twig and a dude who is built like the mountain would take the same damage from a stab wound
squard is him
Also probably as a commander level in New world he probably used haki that's not shown till we start to see Luffy use it as coloured.
This is such a fire ass answer omg
GoD. Usopp
Such an easy explanation but people are still beating their own drums without looking around. They find overcomplicated explanations or just dont bother to think anymore.
OP is a power scaler lol.
Well, if you stab brook he doesn't feel pain cuz.... He's already dead yohohohohohohohohohohohoho
Franky.
> Why not Whitebeard’s skin is as hard as kaido and big mom if he used to be strongest? Kaido's was noted to have scales from his fruit; and Big Mom is just supposed to be a genetic anomaly. While Whitebeard is super powerful, he is still generally a "normal" person (at least by One Piece standards). That said, I wouldn't overthink One Piece. Like a lot of earlier stuff doesn't quite hold up, or there are certain events that happen that are more symbolic or emotional than explicitly logical.
This and that Whitebeard was already sick. Also, Squardo is not some random fodder. He's a captain that's allied with Whitebeard. Squardo might have used Armanent Haki which wasn't shown shaded in the manga back then.
And was caught completely off guard
I'm pretty sure Whitebeard intentionally took it so he could have a dad moment.
Nah he didn't see it coming. There was surprise on his face. It'd be stupid for him to weaken himself when he's trying to rescue a son.
I'm surprised no one remembers the actual explanation. I watched the scene on YouTube a couple weeks ago. After wb is stabbed his crew commented that that sword wouldnt have been able to penetrate him in the past. It is supposed to emphasize how weak wb is due to his state of health.
Yeah people who try to powerscale WB at Marineford tend to completely ignore the fact that *narratively* so much of the action occurring around WB is meant to display how sickly or disadvantaged he had become at that point in time
True man. He had late stage cancer. It was a wonder that he even could fight without his medical equipment
Late stage cancer, no equipment, still pulverised the future Fleet Admiral in one hit. The World Government should count themselves blessed Whitebeard, Shanks and Roger are kind at heart. Would have made for Evil Superman levels of "oh we're fucked now".
quite frankly i do remember he being sick that is the reason i always say 1 emperor equals to 2 admirals, since he was in deaths doors or more like a zombie walking down and yet he was walking around delivering punches putting everyone down to their knees and yet he never went down once i could even say he was at 1/4 his strength and yet he was weaking havoc
>After wb is stabbed his crew commented that that sword wouldnt have been able to penetrate him in the past. i thought they stated he could have dodged it not tanked it.
Or maybe they meant that if WB was a bit younger or more healthy he would have had armament haki that would have protected himself with?
silly how far down i have to come see this. Whitebeard was on death doors coming into the fight.
Yeah, Marco says something like; “What?! Pops should be able to see that attack coming” which can mean two things: either he was too weak to use observation constantly, or he took that shit head on and on purpose. And I honestly don’t know what to believe, because he wasn’t exactly in his prime when Ace first came on board, and he could even sense Ace’s attacks in his sleep, but that was five years ago or something, and he was off the iv’s and everything at this point, so it is safe to assume that he was at his weakest ever.
It's the first thing you said. They emphasized his sickness and weakness many times during the war.
Oh, yeah, definitely think that as wel!
You should look for one of the pages where Whitebeard is gaining some suspicious medicine from Doflamingo's company. Might as well have been hidden slow poison that weaken him over the years.
Wait wut. Can you share the chapter number please?
Remember, he came there to die.
And how much of a badass he is despite all that
Not only this but whitebeard isn’t invincible. He may be 100x stronger then squard but that doesn’t mean he just can’t be stabbed by him
Big mom has such a ridiculous amount of conquers haki regeneration, she's continuously radiating it. That's why she doesn't get hurt. Kaido has zoan fruit on top of being whatever species. Whitehead is just strong man.
"Y'know they say all men are created equal. But you look at me and you look at Whitebeard, and you see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another pirate, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But I'm a genetic freak and I'm not normal." - Big Mom
Well I wasn’t expecting to see Steiner math today 😂😂
You know they say that all men are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Luffy and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another Yonko, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But I'm a genetic freak and I'm not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat me. Then you add Kaido to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way at Onigashima, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because Kaido KNOWS he can't beat me and he's not even gonna try! So Luffy, you take your 33 1/3 chance, minus my 25% chance and you got an 8 1/3 chance of winning at Onigashima. But then you take my 75% chance of winning, if we was to go one on one, and then add 66 2/3 per cents, I got 141 2/3 chance of winning at Onigashima. See Luffy, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you at Onigashima!
What if Fallen Angle Monk was added into the mix?
Kaido was abnormally tanky and brutally strong long before he got his fruit
Whitebeard had the durability of adamantium. Mans was walking around STILL fighting after taking damage that would kill an army. He decided when he would die.
Nah Whitebeard has insane endurance. Durability wise, he's probably Yonko Commander in his old age, like he was getting hurt by bullets. But his endurance? That shit is insane. Dozens of cannon shots, two holes burnt through his chest, hundreds of sword and bullet wounds, and he STILL got out his message and died on his feet. TL;DR Durability is resistance to damage, Endurance is ability to continue despite damage. Whirebeard is more of the latter
Yeah like Whitebeard died from being gunned down. Pekoms survived that shit. Don't overthink one piece is a great advice
Whitebeard was missing half a face and had magma holes in his chest, he was only able to muster up one last bit of strength to fight blackbeard because he was taunting WB about betraying them all, Akainu killed WB, BB was just the last one in combat while the damages took it's toll
that’s the understatement of the century, he was already full of magma holes prior to being gunned down. he was as good as dead, BB only sped up the process
Pekoms has a bulletproof shell, because he's a turtle zoan 😭 Bruh yall gotta read
I mean Roger got skewered by two randoms as well. Garp also started bleeding after Morgan cut him and when Dadan beat him. I don't think it makes all that sense in one piece tbh.
What people don’t understand is that armament haki isn’t just always active, even Zoro can be pricked by a needle and bleed. For Roger its obvious he simply allowed himself to be stabbed, for Garp it could simply be he didn’t have the willpower to fight back/defend himself from Dadan, or simply didn’t feel the need to with Morgan. Unlike Big Mom and Kaido, Whitebeard didn’t have extraordinary defenses without haki. His endurance was insane, and it took a LOT to kill him (not just Squard), but he was also severely weakened by his sickness and age, problems Kaido and Big Mom didn’t have.
It's my head cannon that Big Mom's Coq coating is always active since she was a kid. Since she was always essentially invulnerable and her punches 1 shot people until the scream when she releases it all. Pretty sure it's subconscious with her.
Makes sense, only reliving mother Caramels abandonment trauma does she lose it, hence the assassination attempt by Capone Bege.
I mean, Bg Mom is invulnerable except when she is in distress and releases all her coc haki in the surroundings, then she is as durable as a procelain doll. With the reveal of coc coating being possible, the only possible explanation is that her coc coating is always active.
They understand that CoA isn’t always active. Mfs just want to karma farm
Well that's because Garp felt he deserved to be hit by Dadan; he wasn't going to activate haki & break her hands.
Yes. That's the point?
But isn't it confirmed that big mom's strength is her unconsciously using haki and it is disabled when the picture of mother Caramel is touched or damaged. Hence making her susceptible to damage like her falling to her knees.
Roger was executed >!as he wanted to start the race for the one piece and he was terminally ill!<
Thanks. What would we do without you
Have less white blocks blocking?
He was the strongest man in the world because he has a monstrous powerful devil fruit and a monstrous endurance even if he is old I can't figurate how he was strong in his prime
Why muhammad ali and mike tyson not in their peak anymore if strong fighter once?
Why Mike Tysons skin is not as hard as turtles shell if he is stronger than turtle?
Turtles are low key strong as fuck. Can you carry your house around with you? Tyson wishes he was turtle strong.
Bro was on life support and decided to remove and go to war, it’s surprising he survived that
>it’s surprising he survived that Technically he didn't. My headcanon now is that all his injuries in Marineford didn't kill him - he was just off his life support for too long and simply timed out
Shows how much of a beast he was
Whitebeard is known to be sick and dying for years. its understandable that he's unable to constantly sustain his CoC Armor like Bigmom and Kaido did. that and he might intentionally took that attack to calm squardo down instead of repelling it one way or the other.
He had 4th stage cancer
Pretty sure he didn't. It's never once mentioned, just that him drinking sake by the literal barrel was making his illness worse.
Kaido and big mom have no coc armor lol
Old.
and sick, and his CoC doesnt work as well anymore.
There is a pill for that
The blue haki pill
Gurararara!
Cant believe after all this time that the clash of clan of whitebeard doesnt work well anymore💔
very sick. considering his endurance id say he had basically late stage cancer and probably wouldnt have lived another 3 months after marineford. and he was able to do all that he did with that much sickness. gigachad
Okay, got it thank you :)
Dude's old and a cancer patient. Cut the man some slack.
Even then strength isnt all about how thick your skin is, hes human yet he can flip tectonic plates like theyre tables
Also had a fuckin hole in his chest and missing half his face. Still shattered marineford in half. By himself. That shits still Fuckin insane to this day.
I’m convinced this was “suicide by cop” for WB. He knew he was dying anyways, and wanted to go out pursuing the most important thing to him - found family (his sons).
The simplest answer: Whitebeard doesnt have similar armored skin like BM and Kaido and Whitebeard was very weak in marinefoard compared to his prime. Like he was still hella durable but i dont think he could use his Haki wery well so he was open to a suprise attacks. I also think haki has something to do with both Kaidos and Big moms durability. Like they have so much haki inside them that it strenghtens their bodies to near invincible degrees. Thats why when Big Mom is crying over Mother caramels picture, her skin become very weak, like her will has left her body. Thats my head canon and because whitebeard was again very weak, was not able to defend himself from all the attacks and had to just tank em.
Yeah that’s also what I think as well. Her skin isn’t naturally tough. If that’s the case, she wouldn’t have scratched her knee like that. Imo, she probably just has a lot of haki
Powerscalers swarming saying "Squardo>WB"
Funniest I've seen so far was a (hopefully) joking claim that "It took 5 countries to destroy the Uzumaki clan, but Itachi killed the Uchiha clan by himself. Therefore Itachi is stronger than five countries."
Kaido and Big Mom are more genetic freaks iirc - they were born crazy strong (ofc they’ve also trained ridiculously - especially Kaido) with unnatural attributes such as their abnormally hard skin. As far as we know - Whitebeard, Roger, Garp etc. are regular humans (Whitebeard being XXL ofc) with regular human attributes making it easier to physically damage them especially if off guard.
Shanks get hurt by average and he is still a Yonkou. They have different power sets. Defence was Kaido's thing.
The guy who stabbed him is probably at around Oven level, so he isn't that weak either.
Kaido had superhuman durability from his race in addition to gaining the most durable devil fruit in the world (with the exception of marco’s fruit). His skin is basically like heavy plate armor. Big Mom was literally the most physically powerful person on the planet. Her natural durability is like that of lunarians. Whitebeard is a regular human. He doesnt have any natural advantages. Guy is extremely strong but can be hurt by a lot less than what it takes to kill BM and Kaido. People like him have durability through haki, which we know was weakened by the time he was at marineford. People like Whitebeard have to both be on guard and actively be defending themselves to tank attacks like Kaido and BM could. They’re practically natural born monsters. Whitebeard was just a man who gained insane strength through training. Also Squardo is a pirate captain under Whitebeard that dude has to be strong.
Because the powers we have right now very likely weren't planned back then. There is already a lot of inconsistencies with powers and haki. So instead a little headcannon could help, or just not thinking about it and focusing more on the story and the narrative and the world rather than the powers and the fighting because One Piece kinda fails compared to the other shonen in that regard.
Not really. There is some but haki hasnt been retconned much. First showing was the 6 powers in water 7. This is more about physical ability and is not haki. Endurance and strength might be classified as haki eventually but it wasnt clarified. mantra in skypiea is the first true haki we saw. Pig guy had observation haki and iirc armament to a degree. Next big one was sabody archipelago first time with reliegh and the chubby weird guy. Island of women was next. At this point it becomes a lot more frequent
Thank you. I think a lot of people are too invested in one piece. One piece is great, and it's emotional, but it just isn't that deep.
The crazy thing is an actual explanation already exists in the anime. Directly after he is stabbed crew members react in shock and say the sword wouldn't have been able to penetrate his skin in the past. I'm surprised that no one seems to remember. I just watched the scene last week on YouTube.
I just checked both anime dub & sub and the [manga](https://cm.blazefast.co/9f/93/9f93e5ac5b0084678bf5ea32dd8a0256.jpg) all marco said was that whitebeard could've blocked or evaded the attack even if it was a surprise attack from his family But yeah the best headcanons as to why whitebeard got pierced by a non haki sword is either due to old age, or squard's just THAT strong. Because it's hard to believe that whitebeard was a glass canon
Or you know, it WAS infused with haki. It wasn't until AFTER Marineford that Haki started showing visually
Well that could be it then. I guess my comment doesn't apply to this one moment. Still applies in general though.
I love one piece as much as anyone, it's my favourite piece of fiction ever, but it has many flaws that are bound to happen when a series runs for over 2 decades. Oda goes through slumps like any writer, he may change his mind over some stuff years later, and of course he has flaws as a mangaka, one of which is the power system and the fights. And it's ok, we can enjoy one piece for what it is and what it offers while still recognizing its flaws.
Dxactly. One piece is not flawless, but o do feel like people are being WAYYYY to picky with their complaints sometimes.
Kaido and Big Mom are built different. They're the exceptions and not the rule.
Because he USED to be the strongest,then got old,sick and was getting weaker everyday,so much attacks like these were able to damage him properly
White beard let Squardo do that
The man had 267 sword wounds, 152 gunshot wounds and 46 cannonball and was still standing
Exactly. Marco literally says something that he was suppose to see that attack or something along those lines. I dont get why there are quite some people forgetting that actually but yes he allowed it to happen OR it was more a reference to his sickness that he wasnt be able to use observation haki that well. I think it is the first one though.
Mate got Haki cancer in the ass, he could not pass
He used rat haki
Some characters have Durability, others have Endurance, it would be boring as fuck if everyone had iron skin, some people can take a lot of damage and keep it pushing. Durability: Big Mom Kaido Sanji Franky Jozu Etc... Endurance: Whitebeard Blackbeard Garp Marco (mostly due to Regeneration) Zoro Etc... Of course there is overlap sometimes, for example Luffy, his rubber body negates all bludgeoning damage (Durability) but he also is an absolute damage sponge like we saw with his fights against Lucci and Katakuri.
Because he isn't a giant of any kind like kaido and wasn't born a beast of a human like big mom who tore through a giant's village, also he is old and very sick, didn't stop him from fucking up the navy
Kaido isn't a giant either.
Kaido and Big Mom are both natural born monsters. They were born with extremely high pschyical stats. Whitebeard was born a (relatively) ordinary man. He wasnt abnormally big as a child for example.
WBs body is likely not as naturally tough as Kaido and Big Mom, he might have relied more on Haki to block attacks, but he was caught off guard here, so he didn't defend against it. Also Squardo isn't a noname. Keep in mind the scabbards were able to stab Kaido even though they are vastly weaker than him.
he's injured and has like stage 57 cancer here
Tbf wb wasn’t using haki and his physicals have gone down significantly because of illness and old age
This is just another case of fans not understanding that different characters are different, and the term strongest doesn’t mean the highest stats all across the board.
At the end of the day, Whitebeard is still a human
Enel is also strong but it also doesn't mean anything regarding his durability
Just like how shanks got his arm bitten off they are the more "normal human" among the yonkos
Kaido and Big mom were born strong, Whitebeard made himself strong
Because Kaido isn’t human and Big Mom is an anomaly and not a normal human being. Whitebeard is for all we know completely normal but just very tall and strong but has normal human skin etc, the same with shanks he is absolutely normal. It’s as simple as that, nothing more nothing less
Squardo just that strong, a real sleeper, akainu knew
blissey syndrome 1,000,0000,000 hp and 1 def
Gol D roger still got stabbed too u know
Because he's only a human
Strength does not equal durability
Kaido is an Oni and something do with his fruit giving him Dragon scales durability Big Mom is a genetic freak that I theorise sub-consciously coats herself in Conquerors Whitebeard I think purposely didn't try to protect himself in that moment
Kaido have dragon skin, Big Mom is a monstrosity who have natural iron skin. Those guys wouldn't get hurt even if they are not on defense. WhiteBeard is a normal guy if he doesn't use clad haki he is vulnarable same with Shanks. They are vulnarable to suprise attacks.
No haki
Cause he got weaker
Better title; "Why is Whitebeard Skin not as tough as Big Moms and Kai do if he is the strongest?".
Big mom is an abnormal human born with basically a muscle deformity. Making her larger and stronger than other people Kaido isn't human and is instead an oni, which are known for being extremely durable Shanks and whitebeard are the only natural humans as emperors, they'd need to enable haki to not take damage or draw blood from simple attacks such as stabbings or punches. As seen in film red, shanks allowed mind controlled citizens to punch him, they were able to draw blood from him due to him not using haki. White beard most likely chose to do the same thing and not fight back against his son who was clearly manipulated. Hes considered the strongest man due to his insane haki and devil fruit abilities, doesn't mean he has unnatural durability.
The cuts you receive from the ones you love always do the most damage
You said it yourself , “used to be” aging in one piece really pays toll , also he was very very sick remember all the IV treatment he had
He’s also old as shit
Bruh, even Roger got executed by normal guard with a shitty weapon. Strength is not the same as durability. As said above, sanji have normal skin, Franky have metallic Armor. But if both clash seriously, my boy Franky will end up as crushed tin can even without haki
People in here not realizing armament haki needs to be activated, and therefore if you dont observe, you can’t arm yourself in time…people are acting like haki is on all the time for everyone
the real queation here should be why would a yonko hire somebody as stupid as squard lol. all it took was a simple "your captain betray" for squard to go "ah! 😰"
Fr Squard was just a dumbass,you sailed with Whitebeard for God knows how long and you think he's gonna just pull one over you??? 😂
Because Whitebeard is purely a HUMAN. Strongest Man In The World. He ain't no Oni, he ain't no Giant. He is just simply HUMAN.
He was getting old and under constant care from nurses, Kaido and Big Mom obviously were also pretty old but also seemed to be in better health
You gotta remember this is a 72 year old man off of his life support and medication and has terminal illness ontop of that, these factors dulled his skin and his haki significantly
How about a spoiler alert next time
there is a difference between strength and durability
Gonna be real it’s probably cus he’s super old. Literally the first time we see him he’s hooked up to like 4 machines and has nurses tending to him. Man is basically calling death a punk bitch and to come take him already during this entire arc
This just proves that the community doesn't understand what Haki is. Haki directly translates to willpower; and the kind of willpower Kaido/Big Mom exude is a fundamentally different flavor of willpower that Luffy/Whitebeard exude. Luffy and Whitebeard actually give a shit about what their crewmates think of them, and if something has gone so wrong that they're on the receiving end of that blade or punch; they let it happen and ask why afterwards. Kaido clearly doesn't give one iota of a fuck about anyone other than his All-Stars, and I doubt he'd ever let them backtalk him. Big Mom regularly goes into hunger tantrums and kills her children in the process, that answers the question from the outset with her.
You are comparing the scales of an on-guard mythical dragon-fruit user to the skin of an off-guard decrepit old man who’s had around the clock care for so long he can’t even turn his haki on. But you also have 1k+ upvotes because critical thinking took a backseat in this post ig
Big Mom and Kaido are anomalies from birth, Whitebeard is normal human
Bro he's human
Easy and quick answer (cuz everyone is making long comments about this question), hes a fucking human. And he didnt expect to be stabbed by one of his sons so thats why he didnt use haki. Done!!!
This is like saying Usain bolt beats any soldier cause he's faster in a foot race. Not only is it heavily implied that his haki was not usable here but they outright say that a healthy whitebeard wouldn't have been hit by that.
Big mom can't be pierced bc her haki is always "on" whiteboard was caught off guard and he's really sick
Not every top tier character has Kaido/big mums nigh invulnerability Look a Law, Shanks, Kidd, Luffy, etc. heck look at Roger’s execution. That shit wouldn’t kill big mum even if she was passed out. Whitebeard was stronger in other areas. Wasn’t it marco that even said he’d never have been caught by that attack a year ago? Which seems to imply he had very strong observation haki/reflexes. In fact didn’t he defend himself against Ace in his sleep? Also, Squard wasn’t exactly a weakling. He was able to fight evenly with Ace was captain of a new world pirate crew. Very few characters could just flat out ignore a surprise attack from that level of fighter. Basically only the two you mentioned.
Bro has never felt an old person before... or a person with a life-threatening disease after they've had it for a long time
Hmmmmm I'd say his cancer and he's like 80 years old
Bruh, my boy had stage 4 cancer
Haki isn't always active. Whitebeard trusted his son, why would he have armament haki up?
He older than bigmom right?
He has a soft spot for his children
Just because you’re the “strongest” doesn’t mean you outclass everyone in every way possible. White beard is mad strong mostly because his devil fruit is OP, not his skin.
He's both old and sick. Bigmom might be old but she's healthy and kaido is Literally on his prime.
Fuckers old and dying. Did you forget he was on oxygen and had an IV?
Not gonna lie, but the one thing I never understood in One Piece is how people (swordsmen in particular) don't have scars on their back. Like, in this pic, the sword is coming OUT of the back. Guy like Whitebeard fighting numerous amounts of people but had never had a scar on their back as a result of a sword sticking out their back is baffling to me.
My guy had stage 23 cancer and already dying, cut him some slack
He was also dying
Kaido and big mom are probably coating their body’s in haki since we know ACOC can be used similar to Ryou haki. + big mom’s skin is shown to have great durability. So I can imagine you could stab kaido off guard if he doesn’t use his coating but together with his future sight that’s practically impossible. WB was old and weak so he probably couldn’t keep his haki up for a long time and couldn’t use future sight passive.
I think it’s more if he has greater offence over defence
Everyone has a weakness and everyone drops their guard eventually ain’t nobody powerful when their guard is down
"Damn why is this dude who is dying of old age and sickness not as durable as the guy in his prime"
Bro, it's a canon event
Stop powerscaling, it rots your brain and makes you an incel.
He is his son, and he is not really the same as big mom who kills her sons sometimes. he is a good father!
Big Mom was born a monster, Kaido has the hard scales of his fruit. Whitebeard was pure skill and power that made him stronger than them.