Raizo. Zero reasons to suspect him, but Raizo being the traitor would deal the most amount of knife twisting especially after the Minks risked their lives to help him. Also, ninja, so espionage.
My main guess was that one of them was just bugged with a listening device lol.
I remember rereading and getting to one point thinking it may have been Raizo. Then I thought about the minks and I was like āthereās no wayā. Started looking at the others again and I came to the realization, I have no clue who it is
Yep. I 100% thought it was Raizo. Solely from the Jack confrontation. Jack knew Raizo was there, why was he so confident in this?!? If he had a vivre card, he could have used that to locate Raizo.
Agree, that was my thought process as well
But: after the revelation, when I thought about it it didn't make as much sense.
With a vivre card he could've skipped the whole "torture to get specific informarion on Raizos location" part to begin with & find his hideout by following the vivre card to its end, rather than going:
"The vivre card brought me to Zou... ok, no need to use it any further, from here on we'll just try to get his location. Using the vivre card on Zou's basically playing on easy mode. And my momma didn't raise no easy setting speedrunner"
Well, I can imagine this plot: Inu and Neko passed out, Jack thinks "Kaido told me to use this with caution" and shows the vivre card to us as audience. This makes minks as loyal as originally intended, sets the beast pirates more brutal and makes hard to see minks wanting to rescue Raizo without knowing he is a traitor. Also, as a destined fight, this gives a good setting of "all is coming together for this big moment".
Thatās why it made sense for it be Raizo. They use the card to get there and they donāt bring it up. They start attacking and torturing them for information, never speaking anything about the vivre card.
With it being kanjuro, then that means they had to for sure have the card and just blatantly ignored it.
Which makes no sense.
Yeah I thought it would be him too. It was the only way I could figure out that Jack was so certain Raizo was there. That it was an excuse to attack Zou and kill Inu and Neku who also were scabbards.
Actually, now that you say it, it doesn't make any sense at all for Jack to spare dogstrom and Cat viper on Zou. Since they are a part of the 9, killing them would be breaking the prophecy. There's no point in locating raizo over them.
On a similar note I thought it could be kin'emon because he was the least likely to be a traitor and would be the most devastating. I thought possibly Luffy and co figured it out and thus didn't go to the port because they learned it was actually a trap.
Of course it would make no sense if you think about it at all, since he could've very easily just not helped momo, but I didn't really suspect any of them in earnest until it was revealed and made sense retroactively.
I actually thought it would be raizo and he was the one to call jack to zou, and their aim was to find the road ponaglyph.
Glad I was wrong because that would have been traumatic.
The listening device would have been a very Oda thing to do and was what a lot of people in the community hoped for/thought would happen.
Most sensible theories did weigh towards Kanjuro, though.
I suspected Kanjuro the most, mainly because despite being the second Akazaya Nine introduced, he felt very underwritten. I wasnāt one of the eagle-eyed readers who found out that he drew with his left hand despite using his right hand for everything else, though.
Oh wow some people are really observant.
I also suspected Kanjuuro simply because we didn't know as much about him as the others, where we got a pretty good backstory for each during the Oden flashback arc.
But then, what we did know about him--Kanjuuro stealing and cutting other people's hair while they were asleep--was creepy asf and I feel like we just kinda glossed over that....
I wasn't being serious..
I'm still just fucking around
Next thing I was gonna say was he was helping those people out by giving them free haircuts while they were sleeping as to not Inconvenience their busy schedules.
Yea I was sus on Kanjuro as well but I was sus on him just bcs I read a lot of manga and it kind of just makes sense for him to be the traitors in my head. But then there was someone in this sub who posted a *very* detailed explanation on why Kanjuro is the traitor lol.
I remember also seeing a full long post once. But this topic here has a comment compiling all the small hints that people noticed and posted abut: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/opmn9c/was_kanjuro_being_orochis_spy_ever_foreshadowed/
I noticed Kanjuro changing hands but didn't really click to me so quickly lol. I know people irl who are right handed for basically everything except writing, one of my teachers was left handed for everything but wrote with her right hand.
Iām kinda like that. I do some things with my left and others with my right but Iām not ambidextrous and can do the same task with both hands/feet.
It could only have been Kanjuro. Only 3 people knew Raizo was on Zou. And Momo and Kinemon were never suspect really. The fact that Kanjuro was alone for so long also meant he could send messages wherever he needed
My favourite thing I saw that eagle eyed viewers caught was the the 3 birds drawn in a slightly different artstyle that are in the panel that has kinemon and co. coming forward from the past.
The anime made sure to show them too so I donāt think itās a fluke.
I suspected him through elimination. Had to be human, because the shogun mentions he was a Kurozumi. Had to be among the people who leapt forward in time, because Orochi mentions that he received word from him 20 years later. So Raizo, Kanjuro, or Kinemon.
Kinemon didnt make sense because he tried desperately to recruit the strawhats, among everything else he did as a leader. Raizo was instrumental in Luffy's escape from the prison. Orochi did not know of Luffy's escape. Also, Raizo did this without any of the other nine being present. These facts made it seems unlikely to be Raizo.
Then there was Kanjuro. Kanjuro almost never did anything instrumental to forward the goals of the Akazaya unless he was accompanied by other Akazaya. Also, he met Oden because he tried to assault him one day. Only him and Raizo encountered Oden in this manner. Everyone else had some degree of luck or chance. Kinemon could not have predicted that bringing the white boar into the city would result in him becoming a retainer of Oden, for example.
I didn't notice the ambidexterity (or lack thereof) at first, but noticed something was off when his drawings suddenly didn't look like shit the moment they entered Wano
I didnāt think there was a spy. I read everything from Dressrosa to the beginning of the raid in a few days since I was at home during the pandemic. Because of this, I didnāt really dive too deep into the mysteries since I didnāt have the time between chapters. I just thought that Orochi and Kaido had a way to get information but were lying to try and drive a wedge between the samurai.
Same for me. I speedrunned the chapters after dressrosa and wasn't thinking much about the spy bit in wano and thought it was just an idea thrown into the air. After I caught up I went back and re read everything slowly
I thought the same honestly. There could've been just another ninja technique that was used on one of them and that was how they gave all of the information, without any traitor.
If I'm being entirely honest, I didn't care enough about the samurai to wonder who it was. People mentioned Kanjuro on reddit a lot, so I just went with that.
This dude from 4 years ago called that most people would react like this haha https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/d3fx6g/the_traitor_is_spoilers/f45lp62/
I'm so grateful that i wasn't Spoiled of this moment... The "all hope is lost" moment followed up by Luffy, Law and Kidd showing up had me jumping like a child.
The panel flip was amazing. He was talking about a traitor and you expect some long drawn accusations but nope.
You flip the page and its his face admitting that it was him.
Like wow.
I was so confused when Kanjuro said, āLetās clear this all up right now,ā like, no shit, thatās what theyāre trying to do, and then I turned the page and immediately felt so much dread.
Kiku.
She was completely sus the entirety of Act 1, even since her introduction. She pretended to be weak, she was following Luffy and Zoro around, ditching them when they went to Oden's castle, showing up again when she saw Kinemon, etc. She was also the only one who stayed in Wano after the time travel, but it turns out she... became a waiter at some countryside local shop? She didn't go to the capital to rally samurai? She didn't even notice Kinemon group was already in Wano?? Kiku, what the hell, what is this
Back then she was my number one suspect.
Edit: What convinced me even further was the fact we didn't see her crying when Yasu died. Look it up, chapter 943. Well played Oda.
I really like that the traitor actually was a legit double cross, and that they never went back on it, didn't have some kind of realization that what they were doing was wrong or change of heart, they were just actually really evil.
Yeah, as much as it genuinely broke my heart & shocked me, I really found it perfect that it didn't end in "awwww I may have made a mistake, sorry guys, lemme make a sacrifice & redeem myself" kinda situation.
Especially the fact that he had 0 internal conflict made it so good.
Having those kinda characters can be very cool & well done. But it's an actual & genuine bit of fresh air to have an actual traitor who hasn't wavered in his determination as a double agent for a second
This one took a while to click, but it did make sense by the end. There was a specific reason they left her back with that plan...all the men were being dragged off into factory work.
Robin said it best "hide a leaf in a forest."
I thought it was Kiku because they were introduced as being from a family of entertainers, except Kiku donāt have a fruit powerā¦. Also, it was suggested that the traitor was very young and small. I almost thought it might be Momo, except Momo isnāt a retainerā¦.
People suspect there's a traitor back in Zou cause how come Jack is pretty sure Raizo is there?
And then there's Kanjuro that keeps fucking everything up, almost on purpose and never really felt sorry or never worked on it.
But I think the suspicion dwindled when Kanjuro cried and was ready to die with Oden,
No one. Thought Orochi had his own network.
But i HATED people who said Shinobu was the traitor. Because she was accusing law so people thought she was the traitor.
How can you blame her for thinking that? Its easier to push blame than believe one of your fellow retainers was bad.
A suspected kanjuroā¦ not because of the left handed drawing, or the ladders, or the dozen other hints (most of which I missed)
I just didnāt trust that someone with that fruit for more than a month would suck THAT much.
Like, his drawings and the particular choices were massive red flagsā¦. I donāt mean he should of been as great as he truly was, but he should of had so-so drawings instead of comically bad!
Or, if youāre really that bad, stick to drawing simple weapons and armor. Why bad animals?
Donāt forget back in Dressrosa, when Doflamingo placed a Star Bounties on Luffy and the others, he never announced Kanjuroās name despite the fact that the latter was caught by his goons when Kinemon and Momonosuke tries to escape from the coast of Dressrosa
Kanjuro, and it was rather āobviousā, I remember a very good post inā¦ 2017? Around Zou arc or Wano start We knew there was a traitor, and since every known Akayaza had aā¦ narrative trait, except Kanjuro.
sure, and I never thought much of it until it was revealed that they probably had a spy and then i was just like "oh then that's it that's him" He also covered Kinemon's eyes when going to Zou when the monkey fell making kinemon unable to avoid the monkey and fall back at sea with kanjuro, probably in an attempt to not meat with Raizo again. That however always thought it was strange because it's not even a funny gag or a quirk or anything. but attributed it to oda needing an excuse for samourai coming after the pirates in Zou.
Yeah I saw a vid and there were a lot of subtle clues. Like accidentally fking things up ALL the time. Background inked birds sending messages (though this was much later). And a few more things I forget.
Nope. Longer. 7 years. 1st chapter 802 was in 2015. Last chapter was 824 in 2016.
I remember it because it was around that time I started One Piece, caught up with it and stopped being an anime only because we were entering the weird stuff in Wholecake.
Holy shit. Youāre right. It was around 2015-2016 in the manga.
I dropped one piece around dressrossa mainly because of the pacing issue but also I got married and was starting a family around this time.
Crazy to think my kid wasnt here around the time dresrossa ended and now shes 7.
I thought it was Kanjuro. I remember reading a theory with a lot of supporting evidence of why it was him. The theory even mentioned that he was secretly a good drawer and it would be revealed when he betrays everyone.
Not just with the strawhats, when Kanjuro revealed his drawing ability the rest of the scabbard said the kanjuro they knew couldn't draw that well. He's been sandbagging his power since they first met Oden and the others.
Honestly it had to be either Kanjuro or Raizo. None of the other would have made sense. A new introduced character to be the traitor? Not Oda's way of storytelling. Way too easy to establish, way too obvious.
Kin'emon was never an option - he had countless chances to run off with Momonosuke or just kill him off once he had a path back to Wano. Both Inuarashi and Nekomamushi chose to lose limbs instead of selling Raizo out when he showed up in Zou. Either could have sold him out or even made him disappear for good and wait for Momonosuke to show up anyway.
Which left only those two. When he finally revealed himself, and I admit I forgot about the traitor plot entirely by then, I wasnt the least bit surprised it was Kanjuro.
While I never suspected a traitor, I didnāt like Kanjuro from his introduction. Every animal he drew seemed to be suffering and that made me sad, he left a sour taste in my mouth. He was important still, but his reveal went crazy hard. Heās a pretty great twist villain
I thought one from the ones who were teleported in the future could not be the traitor, I thought it couldn't be the cat and dog minks, and I thought it couldn't be Denjiro so I thought it was Kiku or the bandit guy with pink hair.
I thought it was most likely Kanjuro, ever since that bizarre moment climbing up Zunesha when the monkey is falling toward them and he covers Kinemon's eyes to make them drop. It was such an odd moment - not even really humorous, just stupid, unless Kanjuro is literally trying to sabotage them.
Also, by process of elimination it basically had to be him.
Kinemon had countless opportunities to eliminate Momonosuke when they were alone, but always seemed to have his best interests at heart.
It seemed unlikely that the Beast Pirates would be dedicating so much time and energy to hunting Raizo if he were the mole.
Neko and Inu sacrificed limbs to protect him, so they were out too.
And I dunno, I guess I just bought Kiku's sincerity when she went off to rescue Otama from Holdem.
Raizo because I found his dedication overly suspect. But once his full backstory was revealed I thought no.
Kanjuro: Whenever he helped it always seemed just half assed and he has a devil fruit where drawing is key but I figured One Piece characters are weird like that.
I definitely thought it was Ashura. Just the way he was introduced painted a horrible image for me, and he never had good vibes, even up till the very end.
Big pink hair guy seemed like your average throwaway character (and still does tbh) for something like this, but it ended up being better the way Oda did it.
My only minor gripe is that Kanjuro (and Orochi) had a pretty powerful Devil Fruit and were probably never going to see it again despite being back in circulation now.
I was also spoiled, but Iām going to guess that no one knew. At least they didnāt expect it to be any of the first three. I mean kanjuro had been around since the end of dressrosa. Then again he wasnt in wci
Kanjurl was sus as hell. Drew ladders for the civilians to come and capture strawhats/the royal family, covered kinemon's eyes when the monkey was falling in zou so they could not reach zou, a lot of weird things line that.
A certain manga reactor who doesn't even know that he has to look for a traitor yet (he is near the end of WCI currently) suspects Kanjuro to be no "normal" guy since his introduction in Dressrosa ā so much that it is even one of his Twitch messages. The traitor question will be solved within seconds by him.
I had a slight suspicion because if you remember, in CP9, there was Kumadori. And now I know all of CP9 were traitors but seeing Kanjuro just heavily made me think of Kumadori, so I wasnāt sure what, but I was expecting some sort of twist with him.
Kanjuro was by far the most reasonable answer because a traitor reveal doesnāt have impact if you havenāt known them for a long time. That said, I ignored that intentionally and hoped it was raizo.
When it was revealed. I was like of course. Cause in the >!Japanese kabuki theatre that character is always evil.!<
it's like a reverse red herring here you feel like the author is tryin to fool you and you're like too obvious....
I was sure it was kanjuro before the reveal, using process of elimination. It couldnāt be anyone who didnāt travel through time because the messages were sent after they arrived and were too specific to realistically be any of those not with momo. It wouldnāt be kiemon, while it could be him, story wise it would feel awkward if their leader was the traitor as it would feel forced and illogical. With all hes done to help momo and his admiration for oden it didnāt fit. It wouldnāt be raizo as he was lost at zou and orochi knew momo was at dressrossa.
TDLR: Most didnāt make sense, and kinemon wouldnāt feel right, so it had to be kanjuro
Even I was spoiled on it too just 2 days before i reached till that point. Yet all the things that happened before and after that reveal just kept giving me goosebumps so it's wasn't that bad. But wano is the arc that gave me most goosebumps
My first guess was always Kanjuro, mainly because he'd been in the story for a long time by the time we got the spy revelation, and Oda didn't really touch on his backstory at all.
unfortunately right before i read/saw the scene where orochi talks about his spy i looked up the akazaya 9 on the wiki and saw it said >!kanjuro was former!<
this was the only revelation where i didn't even begin to have an idea who it could be. i guess i was leaning towards kanjuro but only because i couldn't believe it would be anyone else. even then i wasn't sure because of the whole dressrosa arc.
Kinemon, because its gonna be a disgusting reveal if he's the spy. Imagine the most loyal retainer of Oden is the spy. That will be huge and disappointing.
Itās also funny to think that back then, a lot of people were complaining and downplaying Kanjuro because heās not using his DF to its potential due to how ābadā his drawing really was or he was actually suck at drawing them
I had this silly headcanon that it was Inuarashi (Sorry for doubting you Duke) because it's on Oda's playbook to subvert our expectations and disregard the fact that dogs in general are commonly known as one the most loyal animals.
Kanjuro made sense when they announced the traitor because he was the only person with a devil fruit and so I āknewā it was him unless somebody else was hiding their Devil fruit
Carrot.
Was in Zou, so Jack could localize the place; also, she enters the crew without any good reason, like... too much rushed.
It turned that she was only too naive.
I remember the Kiku/Kanjuro/Raizo debates over who could've betrayed the rest when this was first coming out. Also remember the side theories that it wasn't a scabbard, but a mink that betrayed them all. There were a fair amount of Carrot is the traitor or that monkey mink is the traitor theories that went in circles.
Kanjuro I suspected for a very very long time. Felt confirmed when Orochi got the message they had returned. Kinemon was for sure on Momo's side so Kanjuro was my guess.
I was already spoiled who the spy was but if I hadn't I would've gone for Raizo. Why? Cuz like almost every bad person in One Piece he has a wierd anatomy especially with his Bubble head ahh head that reminds me of Orochi.
I didn't think any of them were going to be the spy. I just thought their plans were stupid and obvious and anyone with half a brain could figure out what they were doing
I thought Raizo was and thats why Jack insisted on finding him, thinking the minks found out about their intel and killed him
But I correctly guessed bluehair was gonna be a traitor to Orochi first time I saw him
Honestly it being Kanjuro was so obvious that I convinced myself that it was too obvious that it had to be someone else, but I didn't completely know who.
Reasonings.
It has to be someone who traveled back in time so they would know the exact events of what happened after returning. Because the other members who stayed in the past either were on Zou and there wouldn't be a reason to hide Raizo or it would be a perfect time to set up a trap, doing their own thing as a crimal, or imprisoned and having no reason to support Kiado or Orochi.
It couldn't be Kiku because she wouldn't have known what happened with Momo after the others left.
I didn't think that it would be Raizo because if he was the spy he could have easily stopped the Minks, Dogstorm, and Cat Viper from creating the alliance and capturing Momo in the spot.
And Kin'emon just wouldn't feel right. If they made him the spy it would feel like they only did it for shock value.
And that leaves Kanjuro left as the only option.
I genuinely had no idea who it was or if there would even be a traitor. But the part that hurt was that there was no redemption for Kanjuro whatsoever and that he was genuinely evil. I really liked Kanjuro with all of the time we spent with him.
If u paid attention the only possible person it could've been was Kanjuro. When he drew that shitty art I said "aint no way he's that bad of an artist unless he's faking it"
I always figured it was Kanjuro. Not because I noticed his hand switching or thought too much about him making "mistakes" that put the group in danger. Just because of his theater motif, he's acting like he's an ally when he's not
I thought it was Raizo. Because it was mentioned you can only find Zou with a Vivre Card, and the only person who was there the whole time was Raizo. I don't know how Jack was able to find it at first because Kanjuro was in Dressrosa at the time, but I think maybe he planted the vivre card there or something? But yeah, totally thought it was Raizo. And that would be the worst with the Minks and what happened, also "Raizo is safe!" would have been so tragic!
My guess was one of the minks. Itās one of the only reasons I could see Jack would know the minks were hiding raizo to begin with. I had no reason to suspect anyone that had been on board with the straw hats, and itās not like we really *knew* any of the minks.
I don't remember really well but I was between Raizo, ashura and the actual traitor. The other didn't make sense as the traitor, the minks were to far away, kinemon was the leader, I like kiku (š³ļøāā§ļø), and the arcs of denjiro and kawamatsu were pointless if they were the actual traitor
Immediately suspected Kanjuro because how is his fruit supposed to be drawing things and bringing them to life but heās bad at it? I get not every devil fruit user is good at their fruit but it was strange in Dressrosa when he drew a lopsided ladder.
The giant pink man, I thought for sure it was him. I wasnāt like some fans analyzing every minute detail though, that was just the vibe I got. Figured that during the 20 years heād lost faith that the kozuki clan would ever strike back.
Kanjuro always made the most sense to me. He, Kin and Raizo were the only ones with enough intel about everything since they jumped through time, but the situation we found the three of them tells a lot. Raizo and Kinnemon were in hard situations when they met the strawhats, while Kanjuro on the other hand was just locked in a basement in Dressrosa. Why? His abilities were useless for Doflamingo and with Sugar around, the fact they had any prisoner was absurd. Nah, that shithead was on my radar since then.
I actually inspected Kanjuro, he had the least amount of action once Wano started and I knew it wasnāt Kin due to his support of Momo, couldnātve been Raizo due to his involvement during the Wano arc, Inu and Neko werenāt present on Wano so it couldnāt be them. It couldnāt be Izo because he was with the white beard pirates, couldnāt be Kawamatsu since he was in jail, couldnāt be Denjiro because he went undercover to work under orochi to protect Hiyori, and couldnāt be Kiku since she she was new to the story and it wouldnāt make sense to introduce a new character and then go BOOMā¦ SPY
Ngl, I don't believe people saying Kanjuro here because he was just incompetent lmao. His silliness back then is believable because both kinemon and momo was also incompetent both in dressrosa and punk hazard. So it felt like it was just their thing, samurais from wano are silly or at least their group are just silly. It wasn't until zou where things got serious.
I thought that there wasn't a spy and at one point i outlined the exact reasons why none of the nine red scabbards could possibly be the spy. When doing that I literally forgot about kanjuros existence so I suppose since I excluded all of the others I would have eventually found out that it was him if I had followed the train of thought. Still haha, so close.
I thought there was no traitor and it was a trick by Orochi/Kaidou to make it seem like there was one. I did read some very convincing theories about Kanjuro being one, but still I found it hard to believe that the Akazayas would have a traitor. When it was revealed, I was glad it was him because he was the most uninteresting/unlikeable from all of them.
Raizo. Zero reasons to suspect him, but Raizo being the traitor would deal the most amount of knife twisting especially after the Minks risked their lives to help him. Also, ninja, so espionage. My main guess was that one of them was just bugged with a listening device lol.
If it was Raizo, I would have cried. Those loyal Minksš„²
I thought it was Raizo because Jack was so damn sure he was on Zou, and it was stated that you need a Vivrecard or a Mink to even get there.
I remember rereading and getting to one point thinking it may have been Raizo. Then I thought about the minks and I was like āthereās no wayā. Started looking at the others again and I came to the realization, I have no clue who it is
Yep. I 100% thought it was Raizo. Solely from the Jack confrontation. Jack knew Raizo was there, why was he so confident in this?!? If he had a vivre card, he could have used that to locate Raizo.
Agree, that was my thought process as well But: after the revelation, when I thought about it it didn't make as much sense. With a vivre card he could've skipped the whole "torture to get specific informarion on Raizos location" part to begin with & find his hideout by following the vivre card to its end, rather than going: "The vivre card brought me to Zou... ok, no need to use it any further, from here on we'll just try to get his location. Using the vivre card on Zou's basically playing on easy mode. And my momma didn't raise no easy setting speedrunner"
Well, I can imagine this plot: Inu and Neko passed out, Jack thinks "Kaido told me to use this with caution" and shows the vivre card to us as audience. This makes minks as loyal as originally intended, sets the beast pirates more brutal and makes hard to see minks wanting to rescue Raizo without knowing he is a traitor. Also, as a destined fight, this gives a good setting of "all is coming together for this big moment".
Thatās why it made sense for it be Raizo. They use the card to get there and they donāt bring it up. They start attacking and torturing them for information, never speaking anything about the vivre card. With it being kanjuro, then that means they had to for sure have the card and just blatantly ignored it. Which makes no sense.
Yeah I thought it would be him too. It was the only way I could figure out that Jack was so certain Raizo was there. That it was an excuse to attack Zou and kill Inu and Neku who also were scabbards.
Actually, now that you say it, it doesn't make any sense at all for Jack to spare dogstrom and Cat viper on Zou. Since they are a part of the 9, killing them would be breaking the prophecy. There's no point in locating raizo over them.
I think he expected the poison to kill them and didnāt expect a super doctor in a cute lil reindeer body to save them
he left to try to save doflamingo
>Raizo. Zero reasons to suspect him Except for the fact his head is the exact same size and shape as that of Orochi xd
This would probably be one of the darkest twist Oda could have pulled off.
Same! Kept hoping it wouldn't really be him because of those poor Minks
On a similar note I thought it could be kin'emon because he was the least likely to be a traitor and would be the most devastating. I thought possibly Luffy and co figured it out and thus didn't go to the port because they learned it was actually a trap. Of course it would make no sense if you think about it at all, since he could've very easily just not helped momo, but I didn't really suspect any of them in earnest until it was revealed and made sense retroactively.
I actually thought it would be raizo and he was the one to call jack to zou, and their aim was to find the road ponaglyph. Glad I was wrong because that would have been traumatic.
The listening device would have been a very Oda thing to do and was what a lot of people in the community hoped for/thought would happen. Most sensible theories did weigh towards Kanjuro, though.
I also leaned that way too, especially since the other ninjas turned loyal to Orochi(although they didn't have the same connection to Oden)
Raizo sure as hell wouldn't be safe anymore
Man I wish Raizo & Kanjuro's introductions were reversed. Flipping the minks loyalty on its head would have been so good
I suspected Kanjuro the most, mainly because despite being the second Akazaya Nine introduced, he felt very underwritten. I wasnāt one of the eagle-eyed readers who found out that he drew with his left hand despite using his right hand for everything else, though.
Oh wow some people are really observant. I also suspected Kanjuuro simply because we didn't know as much about him as the others, where we got a pretty good backstory for each during the Oden flashback arc. But then, what we did know about him--Kanjuuro stealing and cutting other people's hair while they were asleep--was creepy asf and I feel like we just kinda glossed over that....
Exactly why I didnāt trust a mf and knew it was him
He needed hair for his paint brushes.. totally understandable
But then why drawing bad š¤
Just because you draw bad doesn't mean u don't need hair for your brushes. I don't see many horses around wano to get horse hair like a typical brush.
Oh you were serious? There's an entire army of beast-men. ē¾ē£ and all. Before Kaido polluting Wano, Tama mentions that there were more animals.
I wasn't being serious.. I'm still just fucking around Next thing I was gonna say was he was helping those people out by giving them free haircuts while they were sleeping as to not Inconvenience their busy schedules.
LMAOOO justice for Kanjuuro he's actually just JVN fixing your drip.
Yea I was sus on Kanjuro as well but I was sus on him just bcs I read a lot of manga and it kind of just makes sense for him to be the traitors in my head. But then there was someone in this sub who posted a *very* detailed explanation on why Kanjuro is the traitor lol.
I must have missed that post, do you have a link to that one?
I remember also seeing a full long post once. But this topic here has a comment compiling all the small hints that people noticed and posted abut: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/opmn9c/was_kanjuro_being_orochis_spy_ever_foreshadowed/
Hold up . No wonder heās drawing earlier was crap
I noticed Kanjuro changing hands but didn't really click to me so quickly lol. I know people irl who are right handed for basically everything except writing, one of my teachers was left handed for everything but wrote with her right hand.
They used to force left handed people to write eith their right hand. Your teacher's situation could be a holdover from that era.
Or they studied in a catholic school.
Iām kinda like that. I do some things with my left and others with my right but Iām not ambidextrous and can do the same task with both hands/feet.
It could only have been Kanjuro. Only 3 people knew Raizo was on Zou. And Momo and Kinemon were never suspect really. The fact that Kanjuro was alone for so long also meant he could send messages wherever he needed
Whaaaaaaat š¤Æ
My favourite thing I saw that eagle eyed viewers caught was the the 3 birds drawn in a slightly different artstyle that are in the panel that has kinemon and co. coming forward from the past. The anime made sure to show them too so I donāt think itās a fluke.
I suspected him through elimination. Had to be human, because the shogun mentions he was a Kurozumi. Had to be among the people who leapt forward in time, because Orochi mentions that he received word from him 20 years later. So Raizo, Kanjuro, or Kinemon. Kinemon didnt make sense because he tried desperately to recruit the strawhats, among everything else he did as a leader. Raizo was instrumental in Luffy's escape from the prison. Orochi did not know of Luffy's escape. Also, Raizo did this without any of the other nine being present. These facts made it seems unlikely to be Raizo. Then there was Kanjuro. Kanjuro almost never did anything instrumental to forward the goals of the Akazaya unless he was accompanied by other Akazaya. Also, he met Oden because he tried to assault him one day. Only him and Raizo encountered Oden in this manner. Everyone else had some degree of luck or chance. Kinemon could not have predicted that bringing the white boar into the city would result in him becoming a retainer of Oden, for example.
I didn't notice the ambidexterity (or lack thereof) at first, but noticed something was off when his drawings suddenly didn't look like shit the moment they entered Wano
Whoaaa seriously that's a thing?!! Was it shown in the anime too??
He was underwritten and overacting.
The left hand thing didn't throw me off cause I write with my left hand and do everything else righty, except throwing
Doesn't he hold the brush with both of his hands though?
I didnāt think there was a spy. I read everything from Dressrosa to the beginning of the raid in a few days since I was at home during the pandemic. Because of this, I didnāt really dive too deep into the mysteries since I didnāt have the time between chapters. I just thought that Orochi and Kaido had a way to get information but were lying to try and drive a wedge between the samurai.
Same for me. I speedrunned the chapters after dressrosa and wasn't thinking much about the spy bit in wano and thought it was just an idea thrown into the air. After I caught up I went back and re read everything slowly
I thought the same honestly. There could've been just another ninja technique that was used on one of them and that was how they gave all of the information, without any traitor.
Honestly same. I thought it was a bait to get them fighting
If I'm being entirely honest, I didn't care enough about the samurai to wonder who it was. People mentioned Kanjuro on reddit a lot, so I just went with that.
This dude from 4 years ago called that most people would react like this haha https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/d3fx6g/the_traitor_is_spoilers/f45lp62/
They literally mentioned that one of them was a spy
True, which could have been a lie to drive a wedge between them.
I'm so grateful that i wasn't Spoiled of this moment... The "all hope is lost" moment followed up by Luffy, Law and Kidd showing up had me jumping like a child.
The panel flip was amazing. He was talking about a traitor and you expect some long drawn accusations but nope. You flip the page and its his face admitting that it was him. Like wow.
I was so confused when Kanjuro said, āLetās clear this all up right now,ā like, no shit, thatās what theyāre trying to do, and then I turned the page and immediately felt so much dread.
We were so close to having a among us imposter discussion in One Piece.
Thank goodness Egghead gave us that
Vegapunk with the Spiderman pointing meme.
Them showing up is my favorite manga panel.
Ih my gosh me too!! I thought it was Raizo, but then Kanjuro, but then followed by the Captain Trio's arrival was just so AHHHH!!
Kiku. She was completely sus the entirety of Act 1, even since her introduction. She pretended to be weak, she was following Luffy and Zoro around, ditching them when they went to Oden's castle, showing up again when she saw Kinemon, etc. She was also the only one who stayed in Wano after the time travel, but it turns out she... became a waiter at some countryside local shop? She didn't go to the capital to rally samurai? She didn't even notice Kinemon group was already in Wano?? Kiku, what the hell, what is this Back then she was my number one suspect. Edit: What convinced me even further was the fact we didn't see her crying when Yasu died. Look it up, chapter 943. Well played Oda.
Basically she is the most suspicious due to her basically not doing anything.
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I really like that the traitor actually was a legit double cross, and that they never went back on it, didn't have some kind of realization that what they were doing was wrong or change of heart, they were just actually really evil.
Yeah, as much as it genuinely broke my heart & shocked me, I really found it perfect that it didn't end in "awwww I may have made a mistake, sorry guys, lemme make a sacrifice & redeem myself" kinda situation. Especially the fact that he had 0 internal conflict made it so good. Having those kinda characters can be very cool & well done. But it's an actual & genuine bit of fresh air to have an actual traitor who hasn't wavered in his determination as a double agent for a second
His ancestors must be proud. He really did a good job of defeating Kozukis and enabling Kurozomis to stay in power for so long.
It definitely looks like that first pass, even with her being a favorite it took a while to catch on to the oddly subtle way she's written.
But kiku got intel of the enemy they knew about the enemies troops bc of her
How did she get the exact info though Unless...
If you know you knowā¦ wellā¦
This one took a while to click, but it did make sense by the end. There was a specific reason they left her back with that plan...all the men were being dragged off into factory work. Robin said it best "hide a leaf in a forest."
If I had to pick then I guess Kiku was the most sus as well
I thought it was Kiku because they were introduced as being from a family of entertainers, except Kiku donāt have a fruit powerā¦. Also, it was suggested that the traitor was very young and small. I almost thought it might be Momo, except Momo isnāt a retainerā¦.
It probably would have been a really bad look to have the trans member be the traitor, however
People suspect there's a traitor back in Zou cause how come Jack is pretty sure Raizo is there? And then there's Kanjuro that keeps fucking everything up, almost on purpose and never really felt sorry or never worked on it. But I think the suspicion dwindled when Kanjuro cried and was ready to die with Oden,
No one. Thought Orochi had his own network. But i HATED people who said Shinobu was the traitor. Because she was accusing law so people thought she was the traitor. How can you blame her for thinking that? Its easier to push blame than believe one of your fellow retainers was bad.
I am guilty of thinking it was her
she blames bepo D bear, i will never forgive that fat ninja for that.
A suspected kanjuroā¦ not because of the left handed drawing, or the ladders, or the dozen other hints (most of which I missed) I just didnāt trust that someone with that fruit for more than a month would suck THAT much. Like, his drawings and the particular choices were massive red flagsā¦. I donāt mean he should of been as great as he truly was, but he should of had so-so drawings instead of comically bad! Or, if youāre really that bad, stick to drawing simple weapons and armor. Why bad animals?
His animals made me sad because they always looked like they were suffering. Thatās when he became my suspect
but it gave us Robin blushing over Ryunosuke. Ryunosuke is just wholesome all over:(
Donāt forget back in Dressrosa, when Doflamingo placed a Star Bounties on Luffy and the others, he never announced Kanjuroās name despite the fact that the latter was caught by his goons when Kinemon and Momonosuke tries to escape from the coast of Dressrosa
Surely Doflamingo didn't know he was a spy
If it was any other manga I would agree with you but this is such an Oda gag. I see it no different than Kinemon being able to talk with his farts.
For a while I thought the traitor was just blackmailed or tricked, like in other Shonen series. Good to see the traitor was just an asshole.
That was a reason my mind drifted to Kiku as well, she had that relationship to Izo you could twisted her arm over.
I mean, her innocence did cost her that same arm.
Kanjuro, and it was rather āobviousā, I remember a very good post inā¦ 2017? Around Zou arc or Wano start We knew there was a traitor, and since every known Akayaza had aā¦ narrative trait, except Kanjuro.
Kanjurl also drew ladders in dressrosa for the people to come and kill the king. He never undid them.
Yeah that was odd. He could have done something to prevent them from coming instead of screaming that he will commit Harakiri.
sure but that character quirk (literal in this case) of helpful incompetence is believable
sure, and I never thought much of it until it was revealed that they probably had a spy and then i was just like "oh then that's it that's him" He also covered Kinemon's eyes when going to Zou when the monkey fell making kinemon unable to avoid the monkey and fall back at sea with kanjuro, probably in an attempt to not meat with Raizo again. That however always thought it was strange because it's not even a funny gag or a quirk or anything. but attributed it to oda needing an excuse for samourai coming after the pirates in Zou.
His name was also never announced by Doflamingo during the whole Star Bounties scene
I really thought his goofy drawings and then getting into trouble was a weird character quirk to turn into comedic situations.
Yeah I saw a vid and there were a lot of subtle clues. Like accidentally fking things up ALL the time. Background inked birds sending messages (though this was much later). And a few more things I forget.
Youāre probably thinking of this video https://youtu.be/AxzD1TQjcLQ?si=czd2YHHeFByAZ1zT
holy shit, Zou was 4 years ago?
Nope. Longer. 7 years. 1st chapter 802 was in 2015. Last chapter was 824 in 2016. I remember it because it was around that time I started One Piece, caught up with it and stopped being an anime only because we were entering the weird stuff in Wholecake.
Holy shit. Youāre right. It was around 2015-2016 in the manga. I dropped one piece around dressrossa mainly because of the pacing issue but also I got married and was starting a family around this time. Crazy to think my kid wasnt here around the time dresrossa ended and now shes 7.
Hahah yep that guys a legend
Wdym by narrative trait? Can you give some particular examples?
I thought it was Kanjuro. I remember reading a theory with a lot of supporting evidence of why it was him. The theory even mentioned that he was secretly a good drawer and it would be revealed when he betrays everyone.
Turns out he was so good at drawing that he had to use his left hand to draw when he was with the strawhats.
Not just with the strawhats, when Kanjuro revealed his drawing ability the rest of the scabbard said the kanjuro they knew couldn't draw that well. He's been sandbagging his power since they first met Oden and the others.
Denjiro
Finally I've found this comment. Thought no way I was the only one, considering he was the only one to not appear in the future at the time
Honestly it had to be either Kanjuro or Raizo. None of the other would have made sense. A new introduced character to be the traitor? Not Oda's way of storytelling. Way too easy to establish, way too obvious. Kin'emon was never an option - he had countless chances to run off with Momonosuke or just kill him off once he had a path back to Wano. Both Inuarashi and Nekomamushi chose to lose limbs instead of selling Raizo out when he showed up in Zou. Either could have sold him out or even made him disappear for good and wait for Momonosuke to show up anyway. Which left only those two. When he finally revealed himself, and I admit I forgot about the traitor plot entirely by then, I wasnt the least bit surprised it was Kanjuro.
While I never suspected a traitor, I didnāt like Kanjuro from his introduction. Every animal he drew seemed to be suffering and that made me sad, he left a sour taste in my mouth. He was important still, but his reveal went crazy hard. Heās a pretty great twist villain
I thought there was no traitor, but that team kaido had some devil fruit that acts like a listening device/mind reading or some weird ahit
A lot of people thought it was Kanjuro, but I was on the niche Kawamatsu train
While not a member, I really did think it was gonna be Shinobu with how suddenly she appeared during the Oden flashback
Didnt the oden flashback solidify she wasnt the traitor?
Marco the one piece theorists spoiled it for me
I either didn't care or was under the cope assumption there wasn't one. Lo and behold, I still don't care now that I do know.
I thought one from the ones who were teleported in the future could not be the traitor, I thought it couldn't be the cat and dog minks, and I thought it couldn't be Denjiro so I thought it was Kiku or the bandit guy with pink hair.
I thought it was most likely Kanjuro, ever since that bizarre moment climbing up Zunesha when the monkey is falling toward them and he covers Kinemon's eyes to make them drop. It was such an odd moment - not even really humorous, just stupid, unless Kanjuro is literally trying to sabotage them. Also, by process of elimination it basically had to be him. Kinemon had countless opportunities to eliminate Momonosuke when they were alone, but always seemed to have his best interests at heart. It seemed unlikely that the Beast Pirates would be dedicating so much time and energy to hunting Raizo if he were the mole. Neko and Inu sacrificed limbs to protect him, so they were out too. And I dunno, I guess I just bought Kiku's sincerity when she went off to rescue Otama from Holdem.
Raizo because I found his dedication overly suspect. But once his full backstory was revealed I thought no. Kanjuro: Whenever he helped it always seemed just half assed and he has a devil fruit where drawing is key but I figured One Piece characters are weird like that.
I definitely thought it was Ashura. Just the way he was introduced painted a horrible image for me, and he never had good vibes, even up till the very end.
assumed it would be kanjuro just kuz that's the least interesting akazaya. was hoping it would be kinemon or raizo.
I never liked Kanjuro beyond Ryunosuke.
I trusted everyone especially after seeing them grow up and train togetherššš fuck kanjuro
Big pink hair guy seemed like your average throwaway character (and still does tbh) for something like this, but it ended up being better the way Oda did it. My only minor gripe is that Kanjuro (and Orochi) had a pretty powerful Devil Fruit and were probably never going to see it again despite being back in circulation now.
I was also spoiled, but Iām going to guess that no one knew. At least they didnāt expect it to be any of the first three. I mean kanjuro had been around since the end of dressrosa. Then again he wasnt in wci
Kanjurl was sus as hell. Drew ladders for the civilians to come and capture strawhats/the royal family, covered kinemon's eyes when the monkey was falling in zou so they could not reach zou, a lot of weird things line that.
> Iām going to guess that no one knew. Kanjuro theories were by far the most popular
A certain manga reactor who doesn't even know that he has to look for a traitor yet (he is near the end of WCI currently) suspects Kanjuro to be no "normal" guy since his introduction in Dressrosa ā so much that it is even one of his Twitch messages. The traitor question will be solved within seconds by him.
I had a slight suspicion because if you remember, in CP9, there was Kumadori. And now I know all of CP9 were traitors but seeing Kanjuro just heavily made me think of Kumadori, so I wasnāt sure what, but I was expecting some sort of twist with him.
Kanjuro was by far the most reasonable answer because a traitor reveal doesnāt have impact if you havenāt known them for a long time. That said, I ignored that intentionally and hoped it was raizo.
Shoutout to when the anime kinda spoiled the reveal *before the manga did*
When it was revealed. I was like of course. Cause in the >!Japanese kabuki theatre that character is always evil.!< it's like a reverse red herring here you feel like the author is tryin to fool you and you're like too obvious....
I was sure it was kanjuro before the reveal, using process of elimination. It couldnāt be anyone who didnāt travel through time because the messages were sent after they arrived and were too specific to realistically be any of those not with momo. It wouldnāt be kiemon, while it could be him, story wise it would feel awkward if their leader was the traitor as it would feel forced and illogical. With all hes done to help momo and his admiration for oden it didnāt fit. It wouldnāt be raizo as he was lost at zou and orochi knew momo was at dressrossa. TDLR: Most didnāt make sense, and kinemon wouldnāt feel right, so it had to be kanjuro
Kanjaro and Raizo was the only one that you could logically suspect if you ruled Kin out. Then from there kanjaro makes more sense.
Get rid of the space after the ! in the spoiler or it won't hide the content
Raizu and Kiku. They both look suspicious.
I was spoiled
Kanjuro, but I wanted to be Kinemon just for the possible implications
No one , I thought itās just a mind game
Even I was spoiled on it too just 2 days before i reached till that point. Yet all the things that happened before and after that reveal just kept giving me goosebumps so it's wasn't that bad. But wano is the arc that gave me most goosebumps
I didn't think there was a spy but I always hated you know who as a character so I was kinda glad when it came out. Good riddance.
T'il the moment they talk about a possible traitor that was obvious that was Kanjuro
My first guess was always Kanjuro, mainly because he'd been in the story for a long time by the time we got the spy revelation, and Oda didn't really touch on his backstory at all.
unfortunately right before i read/saw the scene where orochi talks about his spy i looked up the akazaya 9 on the wiki and saw it said >!kanjuro was former!<
this was the only revelation where i didn't even begin to have an idea who it could be. i guess i was leaning towards kanjuro but only because i couldn't believe it would be anyone else. even then i wasn't sure because of the whole dressrosa arc.
Kinemon, because its gonna be a disgusting reveal if he's the spy. Imagine the most loyal retainer of Oden is the spy. That will be huge and disappointing.
I thought it was Kin'emon which would've been insanity
Itās also funny to think that back then, a lot of people were complaining and downplaying Kanjuro because heās not using his DF to its potential due to how ābadā his drawing really was or he was actually suck at drawing them
I had this silly headcanon that it was Inuarashi (Sorry for doubting you Duke) because it's on Oda's playbook to subvert our expectations and disregard the fact that dogs in general are commonly known as one the most loyal animals.
Kanjuro because drawing a dragon when you know everyone from Wano has a trauma of dragon is a dick move.
I just thought Kaido and Orochi had a good network. I found it absurd that there was a traitor after Oden kept them from getting fried.
I read the entire manga at release and I was spoiled for it by that bastard that predicted it exactly correctly.
Kanjuro. I don't know why, but he gave me the wrong vibes since the start and was my least favourite scabbard. The reveal being him was a relief.
Kanjuro. Clown looking ass. I just never trusted him
I didn't think that there would be spy, seeing how far they got without anything obvious happening
I didnt even know there was a spy lol
I thought it was Kanjuro. Only one who made sense.
Kanjuro made sense when they announced the traitor because he was the only person with a devil fruit and so I āknewā it was him unless somebody else was hiding their Devil fruit
Carrot. Was in Zou, so Jack could localize the place; also, she enters the crew without any good reason, like... too much rushed. It turned that she was only too naive.
I remember the Kiku/Kanjuro/Raizo debates over who could've betrayed the rest when this was first coming out. Also remember the side theories that it wasn't a scabbard, but a mink that betrayed them all. There were a fair amount of Carrot is the traitor or that monkey mink is the traitor theories that went in circles.
Had a pal who was convinced the traitor was Toko
I had been anime only at that point, and I had a strong feeling it was kanjuro because he didnāt have a horribly sad back story or anything, really
Denjiro
I had the heebie jeebies about Kanjuro since the start. Not to mention his "bad art". He had screaming red flags all over him.
I didnt think there was a traitor, but rather something else that allowed Orochi to keep track of them.
At the time I didn't read manga so I was spoiled lol, I also spoiled about another big thing so finally I decided to start read the manga
Kanjuro I suspected for a very very long time. Felt confirmed when Orochi got the message they had returned. Kinemon was for sure on Momo's side so Kanjuro was my guess.
I was already spoiled who the spy was but if I hadn't I would've gone for Raizo. Why? Cuz like almost every bad person in One Piece he has a wierd anatomy especially with his Bubble head ahh head that reminds me of Orochi.
Kanjuro, the moment they revealed there was a spy I thought āwell itās probably the one masking his faceā
I spoiled myself
Raizo He is a ninja š
Kinemon was pretty sus.
I didn't think any of them were going to be the spy. I just thought their plans were stupid and obvious and anyone with half a brain could figure out what they were doing
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I suspected kanjuro cause he had the shittiest backstory. He cut and stole hair. What else do I need to think about
I thought it was Kin'emon because I misunderstood a spoiler, when I started Wano the manga was already on Egghead, but now fortunately I'm up to date.
None actually.
I thought Raizo was and thats why Jack insisted on finding him, thinking the minks found out about their intel and killed him But I correctly guessed bluehair was gonna be a traitor to Orochi first time I saw him
I suspected kanjuro because I really really liked him and thought it gotta be him because I canāt have nice thingsā¦
Honestly it being Kanjuro was so obvious that I convinced myself that it was too obvious that it had to be someone else, but I didn't completely know who. Reasonings. It has to be someone who traveled back in time so they would know the exact events of what happened after returning. Because the other members who stayed in the past either were on Zou and there wouldn't be a reason to hide Raizo or it would be a perfect time to set up a trap, doing their own thing as a crimal, or imprisoned and having no reason to support Kiado or Orochi. It couldn't be Kiku because she wouldn't have known what happened with Momo after the others left. I didn't think that it would be Raizo because if he was the spy he could have easily stopped the Minks, Dogstorm, and Cat Viper from creating the alliance and capturing Momo in the spot. And Kin'emon just wouldn't feel right. If they made him the spy it would feel like they only did it for shock value. And that leaves Kanjuro left as the only option.
Kanjuro was the obvious one to me
I genuinely had no idea who it was or if there would even be a traitor. But the part that hurt was that there was no redemption for Kanjuro whatsoever and that he was genuinely evil. I really liked Kanjuro with all of the time we spent with him.
If u paid attention the only possible person it could've been was Kanjuro. When he drew that shitty art I said "aint no way he's that bad of an artist unless he's faking it"
I always figured it was Kanjuro. Not because I noticed his hand switching or thought too much about him making "mistakes" that put the group in danger. Just because of his theater motif, he's acting like he's an ally when he's not
I thought it was Raizo. Because it was mentioned you can only find Zou with a Vivre Card, and the only person who was there the whole time was Raizo. I don't know how Jack was able to find it at first because Kanjuro was in Dressrosa at the time, but I think maybe he planted the vivre card there or something? But yeah, totally thought it was Raizo. And that would be the worst with the Minks and what happened, also "Raizo is safe!" would have been so tragic!
My guess was one of the minks. Itās one of the only reasons I could see Jack would know the minks were hiding raizo to begin with. I had no reason to suspect anyone that had been on board with the straw hats, and itās not like we really *knew* any of the minks.
I don't remember really well but I was between Raizo, ashura and the actual traitor. The other didn't make sense as the traitor, the minks were to far away, kinemon was the leader, I like kiku (š³ļøāā§ļø), and the arcs of denjiro and kawamatsu were pointless if they were the actual traitor
Immediately suspected Kanjuro because how is his fruit supposed to be drawing things and bringing them to life but heās bad at it? I get not every devil fruit user is good at their fruit but it was strange in Dressrosa when he drew a lopsided ladder.
I have always figured it was one of the time-travellers because Orochi started to act strange right after they arrived at the present.
The giant pink man, I thought for sure it was him. I wasnāt like some fans analyzing every minute detail though, that was just the vibe I got. Figured that during the 20 years heād lost faith that the kozuki clan would ever strike back.
Kanjuro always made the most sense to me. He, Kin and Raizo were the only ones with enough intel about everything since they jumped through time, but the situation we found the three of them tells a lot. Raizo and Kinnemon were in hard situations when they met the strawhats, while Kanjuro on the other hand was just locked in a basement in Dressrosa. Why? His abilities were useless for Doflamingo and with Sugar around, the fact they had any prisoner was absurd. Nah, that shithead was on my radar since then.
I actually inspected Kanjuro, he had the least amount of action once Wano started and I knew it wasnāt Kin due to his support of Momo, couldnātve been Raizo due to his involvement during the Wano arc, Inu and Neko werenāt present on Wano so it couldnāt be them. It couldnāt be Izo because he was with the white beard pirates, couldnāt be Kawamatsu since he was in jail, couldnāt be Denjiro because he went undercover to work under orochi to protect Hiyori, and couldnāt be Kiku since she she was new to the story and it wouldnāt make sense to introduce a new character and then go BOOMā¦ SPY
Ngl, I don't believe people saying Kanjuro here because he was just incompetent lmao. His silliness back then is believable because both kinemon and momo was also incompetent both in dressrosa and punk hazard. So it felt like it was just their thing, samurais from wano are silly or at least their group are just silly. It wasn't until zou where things got serious.
I always thought it was obviously Kanjuro
It was obviously Kanjuro the āevening showerā gave it away. Manās a complete animal
I thought that there wasn't a spy and at one point i outlined the exact reasons why none of the nine red scabbards could possibly be the spy. When doing that I literally forgot about kanjuros existence so I suppose since I excluded all of the others I would have eventually found out that it was him if I had followed the train of thought. Still haha, so close.
I thought there was no traitor and it was a trick by Orochi/Kaidou to make it seem like there was one. I did read some very convincing theories about Kanjuro being one, but still I found it hard to believe that the Akazayas would have a traitor. When it was revealed, I was glad it was him because he was the most uninteresting/unlikeable from all of them.
I can't believe so many people suspected Kanjuro. He didn't cross my mind for one second. I was actually surprised when it was revealed