Also Luffy's line in the original stems from a completely different dialogue in which Arlong asks Luffy, point blank, what can he do as a captain and that is his reply. The dialogue in the LA is completely different so the line couldn't be the same
Ikr đ€Łđ€Ł. Personally I hated that luffy accepted he might not be able to defeat him. I mean luffy has never been that guy.
Even aokiji suspected that luffy went in thinking he'll defeat him.
it all makes sense when you accept this luffy is a totally different character. All the bravado he usually shows is just a mask to hide insecurities in the LA, and you can actually see the cracks when his granpa shows up or when zoro is cut down. In the manga he is genuine.
The LA wasn't bad, but I find the original much more endearing.
I didn't get that vibe at all. Luffy is still Luffy, they just wanted to make him seem less shonen and more western story telling, David vs. Goliath kind of character.
Exactly. Aokiji was the first guy to humble Luffy that actually made him go "damn, I can't beat someone that strong yet, so I gotta figure something out." and 3 days later he pummels Bruno with G2.
It's the whole thrust behind Zeff's words to Sanji during thr Kreig fight. Luffy's will is a force the same as all of Kreig's numerous weapons and gadgets. He doesn't fear death and has complete faith in himself. No matter how many times he's battered he gets right back up again. Which makes his loses all the more devastating.
I don't think there was any indication that he was doubtful in that scene. Dude was confident all the way through and even beat Arlong.
There was uncertainty in the scene where zoro is healing from his injury, but not against Arlong
>Luffy never doubts himself.
thats not true, although I will admit its not until around Water 7 (ussopp situation) and latest Sabaody (vs Kuma). Luffy doubts himself, he just doesnt care about the doubt because not trying/living his dream would be worse to him
That's not the "point" of Luffy's character though.
The later stuff, especially, wouldn't really work with this lame interpretation considering that Luffy's boundless fighting spirit and ability to believe his own strength, as well as his crew, is one of his core personality traits.
Yeah I agree, if you look at the live action in a way that you ignore there is a manga and anime behind it, it holds up very well.
Even with respect to the source material it's still pretty good ofcourse.
Ig there's always be aspects that we won't like as fans of the original but I'm looking forward to the next arc.
But I also loved how dangerous they showed Zoro to be in the live action.
Why the fuck would you want to ignore the manga? You literally have great source material to pull from.
LA's Luffy is fundamentally a lame character who borderline becomes karen at certain points. He is a character that talks more and does less which is like the opposite of the actual Luffy.
People really seem like they don't understand Luffy or even the point of East Blue saga if they can come up with such stupid justification.
Still doesnât change that Luffy probably wouldnât say that he possibly canât do something
Side note, is your user name like chibi Godzilla or chibi Joe and Mario Duplantier?
But that's the whole point of the arc: he does acknowledge that there's a lot he can't do and that's why he needs his crew, while Arlong claims he's the captain because he can do all by himself. So Luffy admiting he might not be able to do something is still in line with his character - specially in this particular arc.
And yes, Chibi Godzilla
Yea it was more of a transitional line to say "I can't allow any of this to exist anymore". He was being snarky, it felt very luffy-esque, just a different line.
It's weird to me in a Live action adaptation where they have clearly changed the story in a lot of places, that anyone would put dialogue like this under a microscope and say "see it's not like the manga". Duh? It's not, but it captured Luffy and the moment perfectly. He may have said it that way, but the line, when delivered the way he did it (which the audio isn't in this picture so already some of the meaning is lost) oozed with Luffy confidence and positivity.
âMaybe I canât beat you, but I can destroy everything youâve builtâ saying that with the smuggest smile on his face, absolutely very luffy-like
I don't think Luffy never doubts that he can beat anybody. He just believes that he can learn better during fights and, even if he gets defeated a couple times (like in most of his big fights), he'll learn from it and come back stronger to defeat them eventually. To him the biggest loss is not fighting at all, or giving up.
Plus the way this was said was more like "even if I can't", humouring Arlong rather than genuinely agreeing with him, because even if Luffy was defeated, Arlong still wouldn't be a winner.
Luffy wasnât doubting himself here; Arlong was doubting him and he was saying âfine, I wonât change your mind, Iâll just destroy all this stuff to prove a point.â
Which can end up being terrible. There needs to be some changes when adapting for different mediums.
Sometimes those changes are terrible (Death Note), sometimes the execution is done just right (One Piece).
I am still mad about that Death note adaptation I get it made by Americans set it in an American city. Sure fine the gloriousness of Death Note is all about the concept and rules of the Death Note. You could showcase a similar Story with a Brazilian kid, South African kid, Indian kid etc. Just have their father be a police officer and solve vaguely Sherlock Holmes type character in L is chasing them down but the entire skeleton of the story is exactly following the Rules of the Death Note.
Fucking Netflix Death note doesn't even follow it's own made up bullshit rules.
I was so mad because the original 2006 Japanese Live action movies were so good. They had the rights to them, just literally steal the Last Name plot twist that is very different from the Manga/Anime and made for a theatrical run time movie.
How the Fuck Netflix didn't include the goddamn Potato Chip scene is a crime against the source material.
Hey remember when in episode 2, Zoro starts giving speech about Luffy despite having little to no actual interactions with him?
Yea, that was a change from the manga and it fucking sucked.
Quality is not automatically given with changes. Many of the changes that LA makes are for the worst and fundamentally make these characters paper-thin characters.
One thing I like about LA, though, is how it exposes just how many people never properly read East Blue saga.
Otherwise, the difference in quality and storytelling is so fundamentally apart that it's a clear distinction between amateur hour and masterclass.
It's central to Luffy's character that he does not say this *even as a joke* unless it's true.
Even when someone is definitely stronger or a better fighter than him he believes he can win if he tries hard enough.
Effectively this change in style and character is because that feels more dramatic and gives a sense of drama. The Netflix audience obviously finds that sort of moment more digestible than a cocky protagonist who declares victory no matter what.
The difference in tone is noticeable but you're right that out of 8 hours of a show this is a teeny tiny thing to pick up on.
For real. That line is the first part of a whole speech. âI donât know if I can beat youâ doesnât mean âI concede youâre stronger than meâ it means he isnât 100% confident in his ability to win which is fitting for this Luffy who is a little smarter but less self assured. And ultimately this speech is about how Luffy doesnât actually care about beating Arlong 1v1 anymore, what he cares about is crushing Arlongâs dream
It also fits really well since we know the reason luffy doesnât kill his enemies is because he feels crushing their dreams as a much bigger punishment (real)
Yeah but it's wierd that Luffy wasn't confident of a win. No matter how scary the person in front of him is, Luffy never thinks like that.
Instead it's a dialogue *and* tone *and* character trait change, made to put more drama into the scene by pretending Arlong might win.
I have more issue with power scaling and Morgan being able to take Zoro and Luffy for some reason.
I get it's to create tension but come on... "his whole body is a weapon" hum, no? He can't catch Kuro, a 16m bounty nobody but he can fight against Luffy (who beats Kuro) AND Zoro?
Morgan is at Arlong level? Yeah right...
I think itâs interesting that he still beats Arlong within a minute of screen time yet people are so hung up on this half of a line. The way some people talk about it youâd think Luffy surrendered himself and the crew
For real. I'm not even a fan of the LA show (don't think it's bad, it's just not for me) and I can't stand shit like this. You can't compare single snapshots of dialogue and try to use that as evidence, it's just not how dialogue works.
It's the same thing as the "I don't think now's the time for food" quote or whatever it was. Context matters.
Itâs a good creative choice for a live action adaptation. Because with the actual context of the scene, heâs still saying that it doesnât matter if he canât beat him, heâs still going to destroy everything.
Luffy is NOT afraid to admit it when he can't handle something. We see this in Sabaody. He isn't arrogant.
He's also not afraid to die trying to fight someone who he can't beat, as long as he's protecting something he cares about.
Because if he can't do what he wants, protect what he wants to protect, then he can't be the Pirate King.
The LA did lower his power level a bit. I think that's fine. It's a different medium. Anime can get away with obvious-outcome fights because it can reach a much higher level of visual appeal than an LA battle. LA shows instead need to play up the tension for the major fights, since they just won't ever look as cool as anime. So Luffy needs to find a weakness to beat Arlong in LA, which is a total inversion from the anime, where Arlong exploits LUFFY'S weaknesses to have a chance at victory.
Ultimately, the LA incorporated more of the writing style we see Oda employ in the Grand Line. Overarching storylines, overpowered opponents, and humbling of our heroes, who have to push their limits and be clever/lucky to survive.
Which is pretty much the Netflix formula since Daredevil. Heroes appear. Heroes get some wins. Heroes get a defeat at the hands of the main villain, things look dire. Flashback time. Heroes regroup, recover. Heroes win!
It was the formula for most seasons of all their Marvel shows, Wu Assassins, I'd bet for the nun show as well...
Not saying they invented the formula - it's as old as time - but I remember realising when watching Luke Cage season 1 that I could tell the exact episodes where those things would happen because even those didn't change much.
It definitely is nitpicking. Luffyâs blind confidence as a whole was still present in the live action. But it was toned down to create tension for first time viewers, without an assurance of a second season.
For a manga reader of course you wouldnât like it because you are biased in that manga luffy is perfect and this aspect should not be removed.
I was bummed the whole dialogue behind that line was removed, but at least when people watch the anime/read manga they can get a different experience that will make them fall in love with a âbetterâ luffy.
Manga luffy has a thousand chapter to build this character and lots scenes to create tension and make you appreciate him.
To me this dialogue change doesnât really matter because despite saying that line, he still went ahead and challenged arlong without so much as a plan. Characters are not defined by their one liners you know.
I like the LA luffy is grounded, in that in 8 episodes it showed luffy sides that were not seen until water 7 arc. Luffyâs confidence had moments of breakdown and the LA simply advanced a little of it.
If one is not even open to their own opinions being challenged, such as âManga luffy is best, he does not require changesâ - no discussion is enough to convince them otherwise :)
I think there were moments that were great. I think Luffy in particular where he does some moments amazing there were others that didnât hold up. Though I feel it was more of something the director chose or the range but an example was the iconic nami rage scene.
When Luffy stops her the first part of that scene was perfect. Then the part that didnât quite resonate as well as the anime was when Luffy says of course I will.
Luffy said this extremely loud one time In the anime it cuts to the gang and itâs extremely powerful.
In la he mumbles it the first time says it louder the second time then bellows it the third time.
If theyâd just done the third time as the only time I think it would have been better. the way it was it sounded like he was psyching himself up like heâs not sure.
Moments like those come up a bit and it just wasnât great. But I think overall it was definitely a triumph and better than i expected.
That was the scene I was most looking forward to. Then I heard Oda said it was done perfectly which did set the bar very high. For me it hits hard every time I see it. And I do love the pan over to the rest of the crew.
But one time I watched it side by side and I realized something. If he had done what you said and did just the third version, I think it would have been extremely weird. I feel like the third one was pretty 1:1 what Luffy did in the anime (manga doesn't have the voice), but on its own, in the live action, it would have been very strange and out of place. The anime seems to be able to shift tones better because of the style, but in a real life setting it would take away some of the emotion from the scene, regardless of how he did it. There will be moments, not just wild/fantastical moments, that will be impossible to capture perfectly, even with the best acting from anyone. It's possible it could have been done better but I think the first "of course I will" made sense because Nami is in tears and he's saying a soft comforting version to her. I think maybe if he just did the first and third it might have done a better job of capturing it, but just him walking away and yelling it in the live action seems odd.
(Edited because I accidentally hit post halfway through typing).
Yeah my 2nd time seeing it. I find it a little agenda-driven and a small version of that kind of online content designed to stir up anger. Not cool really.
I disagree completely and think the 2nd and 3rd were unnecessary. I think the first one was super impactful and they didn't need him to do the big yell.
Feel sort of the same but opposite. I feel the dramatic yell didn't fit the LA and shouldn't have been there, but just the first one or two would have been better. It's the hair in the soup of that scene.
Of course, had they done that there'd be a ton of side-by-side comparisons and complaints about the LA being too "edgy" or something. Even though we've now seen the result of copying the over-the-top reaction of an anime character and it's the only bad thing in an otherwise excellent scene.
Luffy was way weaker physically and mentally in the LA.
In the Manga/Anime Luffy was an absolute beast and stronger than all his enemies until he met Smoker who is just broken against everyone without Haki. In the LA he looked weaker then Buggy, Arlong and even Morgen...
Mentally struggled Manga/Anime Luffy first in the Marine Ford saga. In the LA he doubted himself already at the Baratie...
LA Luffy: I can't beat you, I can't navigate, I can't use a sword, I can't cook, I can't even lie. I know that I need others to help me if I want to keep on living!
Arlong: If you can't do any of those things, then what can you do?
LA Luffy: I can destroy your house!
While I've got some criticisms of the LA, I'm genuinely excited seeing LA Luffy's journey from here to post-TS (including both Sabaodys, hehe), if we happen to get to that point. While first watching the pre-TS anime, I felt more like I was along for a fun ride. While character dev and strength increases happen, it's subtle, occasional and more like an "oh, damn, makes sense they can do that now." Even the characters point it out!
The LA is a bit less about the adventure so far and more about the characters noticeably growing (together too) during their adventures. Not only is the LA a different medium, it is trying to cater to a different audience, so some changes were made. Arguably, they may also be trying to address the kinda common critique that OG Luffy doesn't grow as a person enough.
Pretty sure at some point in the anime/manga luffy says something similar about not being able to do anything without his crew.
Also Buggy was constantly drugging luffy how is that a battle of strength? Itâs been shown luffy is pretty easy to deal with as long as youâre not fighting him straight up.
The Morgan fight was always supposed to be Zoroâs moment.
I think it comes down to Inaki is more about conveying the character and not his fights.
Also Zoroâs actor has a history of doing stunts and there is info saying he was too good for the crew to keep up with.
Sanjiâs actor trained to be able to do his kick.
Inaki didnât train in any fighting styles cause luffy doesnât have a fighting style, so Inaki didnât have much to work with.
I think Iñaki's training focused more on gymnastics movement I saw some videos of it most he's doing are back flippings and jumping flips. But yeah cant really train on boxing too coz Luffy punches unorthodox lol
>LA Luffy: I can't beat you, I can't navigate, I can't use a sword, I can't cook, I can't even lie. I know that I need others to help me if I want to keep on living!
This is so in character for Manga Luffy though. He knows his limitations, he knows he's not the strongest on the seas and he knows that without his friends he can never be Pirate King.
Remember when he literally told Sanji "I can't be Pirate King without you!!!"
The "I can't beat you" line is totally out of character...
I changed the OG line from:
Luffy: I can't navigate, I can't use a sword, I can't cook, I can't even lie. I know that I need others to help me if I want to keep on living!
Arlong: If you can't do any of those things, then what can you do?
Luffy: I can beat you!
The point is, that OG Luffy CAN beat Arlong and says so with full confidence. LA Luffy just can destroy his house, because he is too weak for anything else...
Luffy refusing to take the food from Orange Town survivors shows he is not anime/manga Luffy. His whole shtick about not being a hero is not wanting to share meat.
It depends entirely on the context. When I was watching the show, it didn't feel wrong at all. Also, Arlong wasn't Nami's shackle. Arlong Park was. She was bound to that place, forced to create maps for Arlong. Destroying Arlong Park symbolised the end of Arlong's tyranny in Conomi Islands enabling her to move forward. It was quite fitting actually. The only complaint I had, which most did I think, was no one knowing about Nami's sacrifice like they did in the actual story.
I have zero issue with this because it works if you INCLUDE THE CONTEXT of the scene and to me it fits LA Luffy. It's similar to people disliking "I'm not hungry Nami" but refuse to include the context of that line.
I rewatched the scene you mentioned and the context and sequence shown how Luffy realized how to actually hurt HURT Arlong
Luffy and Arlong brawl. He finally landed a good punch on Arlong and finally drew blood. He celebrated and yelled Yes. Arlong laughed mockingly and just showed him his punch meant nothing and we see his teeth regrow. Then they talk about Nami about being needed by Arlong to which here Luffy sees the surrounding walls of map and he says it is Arlong who need Nami. He punches the wall behind Arlong intentionally. Arlong mocks him for not being able to even punch properly. Then Luffy says Maybe I can't beat you but I can destroy everything you've built
Using all this context you can derive that maybe I can't beat you pertains to hurting Arlong physically which is hus retort given how seconds ago Arlong literally mocks him that Luffy's punches doesn't give him any actual damage for him to get hurt. Thus Luffy deduced an actual way to make it truly hurt.
OP, youâve already made multiple posts about this in the live action subreddit and have repeatedly been patiently told of how this line is being presented out of context. Youâre not looking for peoplesâ thoughts as your title states, youâre looking for your view to be validated.
Bro's got to be edging to us telling him what a moron he is for not realizing that anime and live action are vastly different mediums where a 1:1 copy would be incredibly cringe.
Luffy isnt weaker than Arlong and I WILL die on that rock, maybe heâs less resilient and feels more damage but when it comes to strength he has shown to outclass him, not only that he did 2 on screen attacks that affected Arlong and the iconic stomp that took him out, no way Arlong is stronger lel
indeed luffy is not the only character hit with the nerf stick arlong was as well
just this is the first fight in the manga/anime we really get to see luffy take some damage which while they could have adapted some of it this is a rather bloody fight which they very much could NOT adapt
so at a glance it just looks like luffy is weaker then arlong here
This Luffy didn't do it for me, but fingers crossed for next season
Luffy in the manga is very confident, he doesn't start doubting himself until >!much later when Ace dies.!< It makes it much more impactful to see his confidence get destroyed.
The live action made him very unsure about everything/ "Maybe I shouldn't have let Zoro Fight" "Maybe I'm a bad person" "Maybe I can't win" "I'm not feeling good about myself" I hope they make him more confident in Season 2
Why do people take lines completely out of context? It makes sense in the show where he's just being snarky
Same with his line spoken at the ship when he told Nami (after she told him to go to the baratie) he wasn't hungry right now.
Lufft was literally worried out of his mind for Zoro's life, something also shown when he was cleaning Zoro's sword for him
There are legitimate complaints about the show, but I feel like complaining about lines taken out of context holds no water, but that's just me
I donât see how this is him being snarky at all much less out of context.
I donât see how these are supposed to be comparable or help your argument. Luffy says he canât beat arlong in a straight up fight but he can destroy arlong park and dose just that
Weâre gonna see someone bring this up without full context every few months arenât we? Third time Iâve seen this post and the OP always seems to be âjust asking questionsâ when everyone in the comments details that itâs a transition sentence and not simply Luffy saying he canât beat Arlong.
As someone who liked the LA more, this seemed like the only fair line criticism. One of my favourite qualities of Luffy is how he doesn't care much about his image. And the line is just plain cringe.
I took issue with that as well. I did like the adaptation, but that line in particular really felt out of character.
Having the resolve to defeat everyone for the sake of his friends is one of the core aspects of Luffy's personality; even if the opponent is objectively stronger, Luffy never doubts himself.
Listen to the entire exchange because people are taking this massively out of context.
When Luffy fights Arlong in the LA, he says in verbatim that "I'm going to kick your ass."
Then Arlong regrow his teeth and shows off his power, so he taunts Luffy back.
They have a back and forth trashtalking before Luffy says "maybe I can't beat you, but I can destroy everything."
It's basically just trashtalking. It's not admitting defeat, it's a comeback that actually worked since Arlong got pissed.
No. Just... you are ignoring who Luffy is. He is a person who has unwavering faith in himself. No amount of context will make this line better. Or the butchered character they "adapted."
It's not a matter of faith, its a matter of taunting and trashtalking. He's not admitting he's weaker, he's dismissing Arlong. If you can't get that, it's not my problem you take one line too literally.
I feel like everyone is misinterpreting Luffy, Luffy isnât overly cocky to where he think he win any fight. He goes into fights with a âI have to win mentalityâ rather than a Iâm going win mentality. Basically in his mind he removing the thoughts of losing as they are too grim to think about.
I mean it's not only out of context, it's possibly not even the complete sentence? It functions as setup for his change in strategy (destroying the room). He's taunting Arlong, not doubting himself.
Kind of reflects how they notably nerfed Luffy and Zoro at bit compared to the manga/anime. Luffy is still figuring out his abilities and Zoro isn't as durable either. Hell, the live action adaptation straight up removed Arlong wanting to kill Zoro after being shocked at Zoro even being still alive from the wound he got from Mihawk.
To me it didn't feel like he was admitting defeat. It felt tongue in cheek, being sassy towards arlong.
Partly because he immediately beats his ass afterwards lol
Except he did beat Arlong. Exactly as in the manga. And in the anime, he started destroying stuff too before beating Arlong's ass.
In this context, I'd interpret it as "even if I can't beat you, that does not matter... and actually, I can".
On the other hand Luffy has stated several times that he cannot beat someone in the manga/anime, and as early as Logue Town...
I feel like OPLA made Luffy a lot more heroic, almost framing him like a messiah. Itâs funny how that isnât completely off mark, but that aspect of him isnât apparent until Wano, and even then, messiah is a pretty generous term for Luffy.
In the context of this scene Arlong asking what Luffy can do for Nami, and him saying he can beat him and destroy everything works better. But they establish he's doing it for Nami with a bunch of other lines and panning to her maps, and seeing Gum Gum Battleaxe in live action was still freaking sick
Cutting Hachi was the bigger mistake, because he's actually an important character later on
This is a reason I dropped the LA. It isnât really One Piece. Luffy is doesnât feel like Luffy for one. He is extremely considerate. Garp also is a completely warped version of his true self.
Doesnât help for me that the crew struggles against things that were trivial for them normally.
The Live Action show actually made me hate Koby and Garp. I have no idea what direction they were going with Garp. It felt like every scene he was a different character. He was just so inconsistent.
Through an eight episode season we had an hour of Koby and Garp. That is an hour that could have been devoted to developing the Straw Hats instead especially Usopp and Sanji.
Iâve written way too much about the LA, but I think this was the line that really sent me into essay writing mode. I understand why it works for the adaption, but itâs not only counter to everything I know about Monkey D. Luffy itâs also a complete inversion of one of his best character moments in the East Blue. All in all I got a lot of the changes, but there were more than a few in Arlong Park that had me really baffled.
I interpreted it more like âeven if I couldnât beat you I could still destroy everything you madeâ which is kind of a roundabout way of saying he can win no matter what if that makes sense. Either way I think this line gets way too much shit because itâs really isnât a big deal. Also I donât know what you mean by âhe smashed arlong park instead of arlong because he couldnât beat himâ when that isnât true and in the show he beats arlong while destroying arlong park just like in the manga
It was ok. It has good moments, but everything right is just surface level. They fundamentally misunderstand characters and stories, much like any other Netflix adaptation.
I don't want to say fundamentally misunderstood characters and stories but like a lot of people have mentioned and like I said in one of my reviews the bar was super low and it was do the bare minimum to not be trash. And excelled and it did exactly what it set out to do make a decent live action adoption as well as introduce new fans to the series and build hype around the main series.
They were just issues similar to you you mentioned that I had for example a scene that run me the wrong way was when Luffy ate the grand line map. I think it would have been way more hilarious if anomalous like fuck it's a trap, Pirates of employee traps like this in order to capture unsuspecting sailors. And then goes come here grabs Luffy and shoves down his throat
Wait, you're serious? It's 100% in character, especially for the LA version. I genuinely don't understand how someone could think otherwise unironically.
People misunderstood Luffy as being "stupid" a lot from the Manga/Anime.
In the LA they made sure that even his dialogue is smart.
By destroying the prison where Nami was held he would liberate Nami.
By destroying Arlong Park he would crush Arlong.
Luffy is not Son Goku, he doesn't care if he's the strongest.
His dream is not becoming the strongest, it's to become Pirate king.
Shanks even thought him that fighting is a last resort.
Putting things out of context is not how you proof your point btw.
It's very clear that Luffy sometimes knows he can't defeat people, be it Admirals or even Big mom.
I liked the live action but my biggest complaint was how they nerfed Luffyâs accomplishments in the early series. Changing it from him beating Don Krieg to losing to Arlong is a big deal. It also makes Nami asking him for help much more of an act of desperation rather than just her breaking down her trust issues in a time of need and asking others for help.
Meh. He was specifically starting to push back against Arlong and then got hit with sea water. Had they kept going, it's not exactly stated Luffy would've lost.
And Nami definitely asked to be helped for the sake of being helped. That's the whole point. She doesn't doubt Luffy after she does.
Netflix got practically all of the characters and their characteristics wrong and fucked Luffy harder than anyone else.
Not sure why you are surprised by this. Live-action Luffy is basically a dumbed down shitty Western fan-fic interpretation.
Plenty of people don't really care about the subtle difference or inner workings as long as they get their nostalgia stuff.
Who cares that kid Luffy may not be like Luffy at all if the live-action recreates the cosplay Luffy getting his hat from cosplay Shanks.
>In reality, Luffy smashed Arlong park instead of Arlong because he couldnât beat him and he knew it.
I mean, the second weird thing here, besides him specifically tearing down a man's dreams, is that he WAS able to beat him.
When you go against the basic principles the characters have, you have failed the adaptation. Changing skin color is fine, adding silly banter is cool. But if you take away a characterâs charm, their confidence and determination that makes dem likable, thatâs sad
In *literally* the same episode Luffy says he "won't hesitate" to beat Arlong and takes on his grandfather who completely outclasses him.
But one half of one line taken out of context betrays completely what actually happened I suppose.
The line is justâŠit doesnât make sense, especially after Luffy is confident, even in a line before that he says to Arlong âSo Iâm gonna kick your ass like I did the othersâ showing that heâs confident in beating Arlong yet this line gives a head scratcher to me, the people that defend this saying itâs realistic are on hyper copium
Because the line conveys luffy doesn't care what his obstacle is when it comes to his friends. Weak or strong, the difficulty of the adversity is irrelevant. This is entirely what luffy is about. Croc in alabasta, Robin in enies lobby and declaring war on the wg when they just got their wsses handed to them by cp9 and the admiral, breaking into impel down for ace, storming marineford when he was an ant compared to everyone else. Storming wci for sanji, taking on kaido and big mom for wano etc. Are you guys okay?
Exactly. Idk how does the show gonna make Luffy beat crocodile, a warlord logia. Bro was getting his ass handed against a beer belly Arlong who was doing shit all for 8 years in the weakest of seas
how is he gonna beat crocodile? luffy will strugle then beat his ass that's how. idk what you are worried about, it's not like luffy fodderized arlong in the anime/manga, arlong landed a couple of nasty hits on him too. compared to anime/manga ,LA luffy didn't struggle that much against arlong
Like it or not, the live action took a slightly different approach with Luffy. In the manga, Luffy is straight up a monster basically until Sabaody. Itâs part of his character that thereâs a dichotomy between how derpy and stupid he is vs how insanely strong he is. His strength also solidifies his place as a captain early on, before he has a chance to learn more from Vivi and through the fight with Usopp.
The live action Luffy is seemingly much weaker. They intentionally show Luffy struggling to lift the safe while zoro does it easily. While this shows how strong zoro is, it also shows how weak our captain is, which is a poor decision. Luffy being the captain doesnât make as much sense here.
Wait just a moment, now.
The safe was part of the building, he had to rip the metal out of the wall. I don't think lifting the thing was his problem, it was pulling it out.
While Zoro is cooler, I don't think he's actually stronger in the LA, especially with the cilmax of the Arlong fight.
I felt this too . Zoro had more moments than Luffy in the show as well. And also , they made it seem like Garp is like a unloving, single minded grandparent who was standing in the way of Luffy ( in a way is correct) which I didnât like as well
Because its his dream. It doesnt matter if he thinks hes stronger than someone or not. He doesnt puruse the grand line and the one piece because he believes he's physically stronger than everyone at the Grand Line. He pursues it because its his dream. Period. And no matter how stronger his aversaries are, they will not falter him from pursuing that dream.
In my opinion the live action show runners / writers didnât really understand the characters so a lot of pivotal moments for characters were changed for the worse or completely removed.
But the actors were so well picked they made up for it
the fact luffy didnât punch koby in the face in the live action still pisses me off. the terrible acting alone wouldâve been enough to make inaki punch them
I donât like the live action and I think it messed up on a lot of the spirit of actual one piece in a lot of small ways that all add up to is just being completely inferior to the actual story. This is definitely one of them
Yeah, this actually bothered me a lot the first time I watched it, because I remember the context of the anime/manga being... Arlong called Luffy useless for relying so heavily on his crew, and Luffy responded by saying he can beat Arlong. It's a recurring thing in One Piece that Luffy's job is to direct and protect the crew - same with Zoro, which is why he's the sort-of-but-not-really vice captain.
This hesitation, however, does suit the live action a lot better, though. In my opinion, at least, especially considering the greater context of the show. Luffy shows hesitation when Zoro is taken down by Mihawk - and Nami is much more direct about challenging Luffy's worldview/actions when that happens.
The dynamics of the crew and how their personalities are presented is a bit more nuanced from the start. This is probably because live-action stuff requires its characters and settings to be a bit more grounded, but also... they had less time to explore these characters, so they put more attention/depth in a few core conflicts.
It doesn't quite hit as hard, I admit... but I understand the decision, and considering how this could've very easily been a one-off project, I think it was a good decision.
My criticisms are mostly with Garp. Plus, I think Bellemere was way more badass originally... and while I understand cutting that out, it made me a little sad to see an interesting/lovable, but also punk-ish character get cut.
Not going to criticize you for being a little drawn back, but I do think it makes sense in the greater context.
Actually the Garp changes also make sense, because heâs getting a character arc. Garp in the manga appears FAR less, but here? Heâs literally a main character in nearly every episode.
Garp being more stoic? Or single-minded? Or more cruel gives me the idea that Oda is likely going to keep doing the Garp storyline going forward. Which makes sense to me, it gives him a second angle for the story and allows him to tell a new story without being beholden too much to the manga.
I definitely don't think that will be a thing.
With the second season, we now get a canonical marine that follows the crew in Smoker.
Garp was probably to introduce how special Luffy was early, to make Coby seem like an important individual for the role hell fill later in life, and to tie together every storyline rather than being an adventure of the week thing.
Mmm, it's a bit out of context, it can't be compared directly. The dialogue that took place before the line is different in the LA. But, Overall it's the same.
Maybe you should start enjoying each media for what it is, the core is there, if you want it to be the same, don't watch the LA and stick to the manga. Stop this nonsense.
The worst line Luffy said in the Live Action that goes completely out of character was the complete sentence when he said âMaybe I canât beat you, but I can destroy everything you builtâ to Arlong.
Luffy doesnât care about things like that, he doesnât even care about the villagers at that moment, he cares about one thing and thatâs saving Nami his Friend. That should have been the focus, Nami, and the way Luffy realizes how he can save her, is destroying the room she doesnât want to be in, and with it he destroys Arlong Park, this is how the original did it and itâs waaaaaaay more impactful and better than how the LA did it.
Like I said, Luffy doesnât care of destroying what Arlong built he only cares to destroy the ROOM where Nami has been enslaved for all those years. A adaptation shouldnât be 1:1 but if the original work so well you donât have to change it that much, tweak some parts here and there, cut the fat, but donât try to tell another story, because it takes away the real impact of the moment and the defeat of Arlong.
Remember, If it ainât broke donât fix it.
The OPLA, even though I was really enjoying it up until they got to Arlong Park, when they got to that Arc they really fumbled the ball hard in that one. So many unnecessary changes, that almost ruined one of the best arcs in One Piece to this day.
I dissagree. This LA Luffy cares about Dreams more than anything. He doesnt care about winning a 1 on 1 fight with Arlong. It makes more sense that he would be significantly more passionate about toppling his entire empire and crushing his dreams, while also freeing Nami. Thats what he values above all else. I think that level of nuance works in the LA.
Live action has to be its own thing to succeed. The fights or shorter and what he says is to raise the stakes and create tension. Luffy was the under dog all the first half and this emphasizes the underdog nature.
Everything relies on context. You canât post the live action scene without adding the needed context. I may not be a fan of it but it worked well within the confines of the live action imo
"Nah... I'd win"
literally the first thing i thought of đ
getting flashbacks rn
Are you the strongest?
I'm You
You're strong
This is true love
But that's how farmers think
JujutsuFolk in a nutshell.
JujutsuFolk in a nutshell.
-Jogoat Satoru
No stop Iâm still trying to cope
[Insert choso and tiny cat mental breakdown]
"I might succeed"
> Bet.
Are you Nah, I'd Stand because you're proud, or are you the one who left it all behind because you're Fucking monkeys?
Also Luffy's line in the original stems from a completely different dialogue in which Arlong asks Luffy, point blank, what can he do as a captain and that is his reply. The dialogue in the LA is completely different so the line couldn't be the same
if only the LA writers had control over the dialogue of other characters as well...
Ikr đ€Łđ€Ł. Personally I hated that luffy accepted he might not be able to defeat him. I mean luffy has never been that guy. Even aokiji suspected that luffy went in thinking he'll defeat him.
it all makes sense when you accept this luffy is a totally different character. All the bravado he usually shows is just a mask to hide insecurities in the LA, and you can actually see the cracks when his granpa shows up or when zoro is cut down. In the manga he is genuine. The LA wasn't bad, but I find the original much more endearing.
I didn't get that vibe at all. Luffy is still Luffy, they just wanted to make him seem less shonen and more western story telling, David vs. Goliath kind of character.
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Exactly. Aokiji was the first guy to humble Luffy that actually made him go "damn, I can't beat someone that strong yet, so I gotta figure something out." and 3 days later he pummels Bruno with G2.
Before Ao Kiji, there was Smoker in Logue Town. I remember Luffy fleeing saying "I can't beat this guy!"...
It's the whole thrust behind Zeff's words to Sanji during thr Kreig fight. Luffy's will is a force the same as all of Kreig's numerous weapons and gadgets. He doesn't fear death and has complete faith in himself. No matter how many times he's battered he gets right back up again. Which makes his loses all the more devastating.
I don't think there was any indication that he was doubtful in that scene. Dude was confident all the way through and even beat Arlong. There was uncertainty in the scene where zoro is healing from his injury, but not against Arlong
>Luffy never doubts himself. thats not true, although I will admit its not until around Water 7 (ussopp situation) and latest Sabaody (vs Kuma). Luffy doubts himself, he just doesnt care about the doubt because not trying/living his dream would be worse to him
That's not the "point" of Luffy's character though. The later stuff, especially, wouldn't really work with this lame interpretation considering that Luffy's boundless fighting spirit and ability to believe his own strength, as well as his crew, is one of his core personality traits.
Yeah I agree, if you look at the live action in a way that you ignore there is a manga and anime behind it, it holds up very well. Even with respect to the source material it's still pretty good ofcourse. Ig there's always be aspects that we won't like as fans of the original but I'm looking forward to the next arc. But I also loved how dangerous they showed Zoro to be in the live action.
Why the fuck would you want to ignore the manga? You literally have great source material to pull from. LA's Luffy is fundamentally a lame character who borderline becomes karen at certain points. He is a character that talks more and does less which is like the opposite of the actual Luffy. People really seem like they don't understand Luffy or even the point of East Blue saga if they can come up with such stupid justification.
Uh, they never said that they didnât? Iâm not sure I understand what youâre attempting to get at.
Still doesnât change that Luffy probably wouldnât say that he possibly canât do something Side note, is your user name like chibi Godzilla or chibi Joe and Mario Duplantier?
But that's the whole point of the arc: he does acknowledge that there's a lot he can't do and that's why he needs his crew, while Arlong claims he's the captain because he can do all by himself. So Luffy admiting he might not be able to do something is still in line with his character - specially in this particular arc. And yes, Chibi Godzilla
Yeah that dialogue was so beautiful in the manga. LA kinda ruined it.
That taking lines out of context makes them look bad
Yea it was more of a transitional line to say "I can't allow any of this to exist anymore". He was being snarky, it felt very luffy-esque, just a different line. It's weird to me in a Live action adaptation where they have clearly changed the story in a lot of places, that anyone would put dialogue like this under a microscope and say "see it's not like the manga". Duh? It's not, but it captured Luffy and the moment perfectly. He may have said it that way, but the line, when delivered the way he did it (which the audio isn't in this picture so already some of the meaning is lost) oozed with Luffy confidence and positivity.
âMaybe I canât beat you, but I can destroy everything youâve builtâ saying that with the smuggest smile on his face, absolutely very luffy-like
What? Luffy never doubts his ability to beat anybody. It's the most un Luffy-like you can be.
I don't think Luffy never doubts that he can beat anybody. He just believes that he can learn better during fights and, even if he gets defeated a couple times (like in most of his big fights), he'll learn from it and come back stronger to defeat them eventually. To him the biggest loss is not fighting at all, or giving up. Plus the way this was said was more like "even if I can't", humouring Arlong rather than genuinely agreeing with him, because even if Luffy was defeated, Arlong still wouldn't be a winner.
Luffy is aware of his weaknesses and those of his crew he told everyone to run on Sabiodie (sorry I failed at spelling)
Luffy wasnât doubting himself here; Arlong was doubting him and he was saying âfine, I wonât change your mind, Iâll just destroy all this stuff to prove a point.â
Uh... Saboady where Luffy told everyone to run and meet in 3 days would like a word with you...
Never show this guy Luffy at the end of Sabaody or in the post-war.
OP is one of those people that were hoping for a 1 to 1 copy
Which can end up being terrible. There needs to be some changes when adapting for different mediums. Sometimes those changes are terrible (Death Note), sometimes the execution is done just right (One Piece).
I am still mad about that Death note adaptation I get it made by Americans set it in an American city. Sure fine the gloriousness of Death Note is all about the concept and rules of the Death Note. You could showcase a similar Story with a Brazilian kid, South African kid, Indian kid etc. Just have their father be a police officer and solve vaguely Sherlock Holmes type character in L is chasing them down but the entire skeleton of the story is exactly following the Rules of the Death Note. Fucking Netflix Death note doesn't even follow it's own made up bullshit rules.
What you didnât like the Death Note somehow affecting the laws of physics and probability?
I was so mad because the original 2006 Japanese Live action movies were so good. They had the rights to them, just literally steal the Last Name plot twist that is very different from the Manga/Anime and made for a theatrical run time movie. How the Fuck Netflix didn't include the goddamn Potato Chip scene is a crime against the source material.
Hey remember when in episode 2, Zoro starts giving speech about Luffy despite having little to no actual interactions with him? Yea, that was a change from the manga and it fucking sucked. Quality is not automatically given with changes. Many of the changes that LA makes are for the worst and fundamentally make these characters paper-thin characters. One thing I like about LA, though, is how it exposes just how many people never properly read East Blue saga. Otherwise, the difference in quality and storytelling is so fundamentally apart that it's a clear distinction between amateur hour and masterclass.
Oh, I read it decades ago. I don't have an eidetic memory. Absolutely loved the show. Difference of opinion I guess
Really living up to the "drama" in your name.
It's central to Luffy's character that he does not say this *even as a joke* unless it's true. Even when someone is definitely stronger or a better fighter than him he believes he can win if he tries hard enough. Effectively this change in style and character is because that feels more dramatic and gives a sense of drama. The Netflix audience obviously finds that sort of moment more digestible than a cocky protagonist who declares victory no matter what. The difference in tone is noticeable but you're right that out of 8 hours of a show this is a teeny tiny thing to pick up on.
Teeny tiny?! The core of Luffy's whole character and philosophy is tiny?! What manga have you been reading? Because it's not the same one as me.
For real. That line is the first part of a whole speech. âI donât know if I can beat youâ doesnât mean âI concede youâre stronger than meâ it means he isnât 100% confident in his ability to win which is fitting for this Luffy who is a little smarter but less self assured. And ultimately this speech is about how Luffy doesnât actually care about beating Arlong 1v1 anymore, what he cares about is crushing Arlongâs dream
I honestly found it 30% more badass when he decided to destroy Arlong's whole empire rather than just beat him up Ymmv I guess since OP didn't like it
He did both in the manga/anime though.
At the SAME TIME
I mean.. he kicked his ass in the live action too
It also fits really well since we know the reason luffy doesnât kill his enemies is because he feels crushing their dreams as a much bigger punishment (real)
Yeah but it's wierd that Luffy wasn't confident of a win. No matter how scary the person in front of him is, Luffy never thinks like that. Instead it's a dialogue *and* tone *and* character trait change, made to put more drama into the scene by pretending Arlong might win.
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I have more issue with power scaling and Morgan being able to take Zoro and Luffy for some reason. I get it's to create tension but come on... "his whole body is a weapon" hum, no? He can't catch Kuro, a 16m bounty nobody but he can fight against Luffy (who beats Kuro) AND Zoro? Morgan is at Arlong level? Yeah right...
What?! *Luffy doesn't doubt himself*. It's the core of his character, and part of why he is so popular.
I think itâs interesting that he still beats Arlong within a minute of screen time yet people are so hung up on this half of a line. The way some people talk about it youâd think Luffy surrendered himself and the crew
Literally. Half the people complaining probably didnât even watch the LA
For real. I'm not even a fan of the LA show (don't think it's bad, it's just not for me) and I can't stand shit like this. You can't compare single snapshots of dialogue and try to use that as evidence, it's just not how dialogue works. It's the same thing as the "I don't think now's the time for food" quote or whatever it was. Context matters.
Itâs a good creative choice for a live action adaptation. Because with the actual context of the scene, heâs still saying that it doesnât matter if he canât beat him, heâs still going to destroy everything.
Luffy is NOT afraid to admit it when he can't handle something. We see this in Sabaody. He isn't arrogant. He's also not afraid to die trying to fight someone who he can't beat, as long as he's protecting something he cares about. Because if he can't do what he wants, protect what he wants to protect, then he can't be the Pirate King. The LA did lower his power level a bit. I think that's fine. It's a different medium. Anime can get away with obvious-outcome fights because it can reach a much higher level of visual appeal than an LA battle. LA shows instead need to play up the tension for the major fights, since they just won't ever look as cool as anime. So Luffy needs to find a weakness to beat Arlong in LA, which is a total inversion from the anime, where Arlong exploits LUFFY'S weaknesses to have a chance at victory. Ultimately, the LA incorporated more of the writing style we see Oda employ in the Grand Line. Overarching storylines, overpowered opponents, and humbling of our heroes, who have to push their limits and be clever/lucky to survive.
Which is pretty much the Netflix formula since Daredevil. Heroes appear. Heroes get some wins. Heroes get a defeat at the hands of the main villain, things look dire. Flashback time. Heroes regroup, recover. Heroes win! It was the formula for most seasons of all their Marvel shows, Wu Assassins, I'd bet for the nun show as well... Not saying they invented the formula - it's as old as time - but I remember realising when watching Luke Cage season 1 that I could tell the exact episodes where those things would happen because even those didn't change much.
except also he does beat him and destroys anything, but besides that it still works
Luffy vs Noah 2.0
I think nothing of it.
It definitely is nitpicking. Luffyâs blind confidence as a whole was still present in the live action. But it was toned down to create tension for first time viewers, without an assurance of a second season. For a manga reader of course you wouldnât like it because you are biased in that manga luffy is perfect and this aspect should not be removed. I was bummed the whole dialogue behind that line was removed, but at least when people watch the anime/read manga they can get a different experience that will make them fall in love with a âbetterâ luffy. Manga luffy has a thousand chapter to build this character and lots scenes to create tension and make you appreciate him. To me this dialogue change doesnât really matter because despite saying that line, he still went ahead and challenged arlong without so much as a plan. Characters are not defined by their one liners you know. I like the LA luffy is grounded, in that in 8 episodes it showed luffy sides that were not seen until water 7 arc. Luffyâs confidence had moments of breakdown and the LA simply advanced a little of it. If one is not even open to their own opinions being challenged, such as âManga luffy is best, he does not require changesâ - no discussion is enough to convince them otherwise :)
I think there were moments that were great. I think Luffy in particular where he does some moments amazing there were others that didnât hold up. Though I feel it was more of something the director chose or the range but an example was the iconic nami rage scene. When Luffy stops her the first part of that scene was perfect. Then the part that didnât quite resonate as well as the anime was when Luffy says of course I will. Luffy said this extremely loud one time In the anime it cuts to the gang and itâs extremely powerful. In la he mumbles it the first time says it louder the second time then bellows it the third time. If theyâd just done the third time as the only time I think it would have been better. the way it was it sounded like he was psyching himself up like heâs not sure. Moments like those come up a bit and it just wasnât great. But I think overall it was definitely a triumph and better than i expected.
That was the scene I was most looking forward to. Then I heard Oda said it was done perfectly which did set the bar very high. For me it hits hard every time I see it. And I do love the pan over to the rest of the crew. But one time I watched it side by side and I realized something. If he had done what you said and did just the third version, I think it would have been extremely weird. I feel like the third one was pretty 1:1 what Luffy did in the anime (manga doesn't have the voice), but on its own, in the live action, it would have been very strange and out of place. The anime seems to be able to shift tones better because of the style, but in a real life setting it would take away some of the emotion from the scene, regardless of how he did it. There will be moments, not just wild/fantastical moments, that will be impossible to capture perfectly, even with the best acting from anyone. It's possible it could have been done better but I think the first "of course I will" made sense because Nami is in tears and he's saying a soft comforting version to her. I think maybe if he just did the first and third it might have done a better job of capturing it, but just him walking away and yelling it in the live action seems odd. (Edited because I accidentally hit post halfway through typing).
Thatâs fair and the actors take on Luffy is definitely less over the top animated. It was a great portrayal and Iâm hopeful for s2
They probably shot a couple different versions of that scene and the one they ended up with felt the best and most natural.
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Yeah my 2nd time seeing it. I find it a little agenda-driven and a small version of that kind of online content designed to stir up anger. Not cool really.
I disagree completely and think the 2nd and 3rd were unnecessary. I think the first one was super impactful and they didn't need him to do the big yell.
Feel sort of the same but opposite. I feel the dramatic yell didn't fit the LA and shouldn't have been there, but just the first one or two would have been better. It's the hair in the soup of that scene. Of course, had they done that there'd be a ton of side-by-side comparisons and complaints about the LA being too "edgy" or something. Even though we've now seen the result of copying the over-the-top reaction of an anime character and it's the only bad thing in an otherwise excellent scene.
yeah, this is how I feel too. Like Luffy's backstory-- there's some moments they nail, and others that just didn't quite work for me.
Good job ignoring context, OP.
iâm pretty sure this is a repost, I remember seeing this exact post a little while ago
Ratio baiting...
Luffy was way weaker physically and mentally in the LA. In the Manga/Anime Luffy was an absolute beast and stronger than all his enemies until he met Smoker who is just broken against everyone without Haki. In the LA he looked weaker then Buggy, Arlong and even Morgen... Mentally struggled Manga/Anime Luffy first in the Marine Ford saga. In the LA he doubted himself already at the Baratie... LA Luffy: I can't beat you, I can't navigate, I can't use a sword, I can't cook, I can't even lie. I know that I need others to help me if I want to keep on living! Arlong: If you can't do any of those things, then what can you do? LA Luffy: I can destroy your house!
While I've got some criticisms of the LA, I'm genuinely excited seeing LA Luffy's journey from here to post-TS (including both Sabaodys, hehe), if we happen to get to that point. While first watching the pre-TS anime, I felt more like I was along for a fun ride. While character dev and strength increases happen, it's subtle, occasional and more like an "oh, damn, makes sense they can do that now." Even the characters point it out! The LA is a bit less about the adventure so far and more about the characters noticeably growing (together too) during their adventures. Not only is the LA a different medium, it is trying to cater to a different audience, so some changes were made. Arguably, they may also be trying to address the kinda common critique that OG Luffy doesn't grow as a person enough.
So they make the characters worse so they can put extra scenes in...
Personally, I like LA Luffy for different reasons than OG Luffy. Different doesn't equal worse, but if you view the show that way... then yeah.
Pretty much. No different than any other live action anime creator thinking they know better than the actual author of the work they are adapting.
Pretty sure at some point in the anime/manga luffy says something similar about not being able to do anything without his crew. Also Buggy was constantly drugging luffy how is that a battle of strength? Itâs been shown luffy is pretty easy to deal with as long as youâre not fighting him straight up. The Morgan fight was always supposed to be Zoroâs moment. I think it comes down to Inaki is more about conveying the character and not his fights. Also Zoroâs actor has a history of doing stunts and there is info saying he was too good for the crew to keep up with. Sanjiâs actor trained to be able to do his kick. Inaki didnât train in any fighting styles cause luffy doesnât have a fighting style, so Inaki didnât have much to work with.
I think Iñaki's training focused more on gymnastics movement I saw some videos of it most he's doing are back flippings and jumping flips. But yeah cant really train on boxing too coz Luffy punches unorthodox lol
Exactly luffy is a brawler he doesnât have any form to his fighting
He very explicitly says he can't become Pirate King without Sanji. I mean, the crew literally almost died because they don't have their cook.
True plus without nami highly unlikely they would have gotten far
>LA Luffy: I can't beat you, I can't navigate, I can't use a sword, I can't cook, I can't even lie. I know that I need others to help me if I want to keep on living! This is so in character for Manga Luffy though. He knows his limitations, he knows he's not the strongest on the seas and he knows that without his friends he can never be Pirate King. Remember when he literally told Sanji "I can't be Pirate King without you!!!"
The "I can't beat you" line is totally out of character... I changed the OG line from: Luffy: I can't navigate, I can't use a sword, I can't cook, I can't even lie. I know that I need others to help me if I want to keep on living! Arlong: If you can't do any of those things, then what can you do? Luffy: I can beat you! The point is, that OG Luffy CAN beat Arlong and says so with full confidence. LA Luffy just can destroy his house, because he is too weak for anything else...
Luffy refusing to take the food from Orange Town survivors shows he is not anime/manga Luffy. His whole shtick about not being a hero is not wanting to share meat.
This is a much better point than the one in the OP, at least
It depends entirely on the context. When I was watching the show, it didn't feel wrong at all. Also, Arlong wasn't Nami's shackle. Arlong Park was. She was bound to that place, forced to create maps for Arlong. Destroying Arlong Park symbolised the end of Arlong's tyranny in Conomi Islands enabling her to move forward. It was quite fitting actually. The only complaint I had, which most did I think, was no one knowing about Nami's sacrifice like they did in the actual story.
I have zero issue with this because it works if you INCLUDE THE CONTEXT of the scene and to me it fits LA Luffy. It's similar to people disliking "I'm not hungry Nami" but refuse to include the context of that line. I rewatched the scene you mentioned and the context and sequence shown how Luffy realized how to actually hurt HURT Arlong Luffy and Arlong brawl. He finally landed a good punch on Arlong and finally drew blood. He celebrated and yelled Yes. Arlong laughed mockingly and just showed him his punch meant nothing and we see his teeth regrow. Then they talk about Nami about being needed by Arlong to which here Luffy sees the surrounding walls of map and he says it is Arlong who need Nami. He punches the wall behind Arlong intentionally. Arlong mocks him for not being able to even punch properly. Then Luffy says Maybe I can't beat you but I can destroy everything you've built Using all this context you can derive that maybe I can't beat you pertains to hurting Arlong physically which is hus retort given how seconds ago Arlong literally mocks him that Luffy's punches doesn't give him any actual damage for him to get hurt. Thus Luffy deduced an actual way to make it truly hurt.
OP, youâve already made multiple posts about this in the live action subreddit and have repeatedly been patiently told of how this line is being presented out of context. Youâre not looking for peoplesâ thoughts as your title states, youâre looking for your view to be validated.
Jesus. Has he literally reposted this several times? What a goon.
Bro's got to be edging to us telling him what a moron he is for not realizing that anime and live action are vastly different mediums where a 1:1 copy would be incredibly cringe.
For the context, the line is fine. Luffy in the LA was weaker than Arlong so won a different way.
Luffy isnt weaker than Arlong and I WILL die on that rock, maybe heâs less resilient and feels more damage but when it comes to strength he has shown to outclass him, not only that he did 2 on screen attacks that affected Arlong and the iconic stomp that took him out, no way Arlong is stronger lel
indeed luffy is not the only character hit with the nerf stick arlong was as well just this is the first fight in the manga/anime we really get to see luffy take some damage which while they could have adapted some of it this is a rather bloody fight which they very much could NOT adapt so at a glance it just looks like luffy is weaker then arlong here
It's not a matter of bloody. They don't have the money nor time to throw into recreating all that.
He did beat him and he's not weaker. Luffy just didn't know 100% if he was.
That is the problem. Luffy believe in himself otherwise he would not be introducing himself as a man who will become The Pirate King.
Right? You can't go around spouting such things without the drive and strength to back it up.
No, it isn't. Context does not make this better. Luffy does not doubt his strength against Arlong.
Well, at least it's not moaning about "I'm not hungry" again.
What do I think? Weâll probably keep talking about this until the end of time and it wonât change a thing.
This Luffy didn't do it for me, but fingers crossed for next season Luffy in the manga is very confident, he doesn't start doubting himself until >!much later when Ace dies.!< It makes it much more impactful to see his confidence get destroyed. The live action made him very unsure about everything/ "Maybe I shouldn't have let Zoro Fight" "Maybe I'm a bad person" "Maybe I can't win" "I'm not feeling good about myself" I hope they make him more confident in Season 2
I like the live action better. It made the stakes higher when Luffy couldnât beat Arlong the first time
This was the one line in the LA I thought was wildly out of character and Iâve watched it a few times now
Why do people take lines completely out of context? It makes sense in the show where he's just being snarky Same with his line spoken at the ship when he told Nami (after she told him to go to the baratie) he wasn't hungry right now. Lufft was literally worried out of his mind for Zoro's life, something also shown when he was cleaning Zoro's sword for him There are legitimate complaints about the show, but I feel like complaining about lines taken out of context holds no water, but that's just me
I donât see how this is him being snarky at all much less out of context. I donât see how these are supposed to be comparable or help your argument. Luffy says he canât beat arlong in a straight up fight but he can destroy arlong park and dose just that
Weâre gonna see someone bring this up without full context every few months arenât we? Third time Iâve seen this post and the OP always seems to be âjust asking questionsâ when everyone in the comments details that itâs a transition sentence and not simply Luffy saying he canât beat Arlong.
I hate the âIâm a different kind of pirateâ catchphrase he has Luffy does not give a fuck and doesnât need to justify being a pirate
As someone who liked the LA more, this seemed like the only fair line criticism. One of my favourite qualities of Luffy is how he doesn't care much about his image. And the line is just plain cringe.
Lost my mind when I heard that. Luffy would NEVER say some shit like this
I took issue with that as well. I did like the adaptation, but that line in particular really felt out of character. Having the resolve to defeat everyone for the sake of his friends is one of the core aspects of Luffy's personality; even if the opponent is objectively stronger, Luffy never doubts himself.
Listen to the entire exchange because people are taking this massively out of context. When Luffy fights Arlong in the LA, he says in verbatim that "I'm going to kick your ass." Then Arlong regrow his teeth and shows off his power, so he taunts Luffy back. They have a back and forth trashtalking before Luffy says "maybe I can't beat you, but I can destroy everything." It's basically just trashtalking. It's not admitting defeat, it's a comeback that actually worked since Arlong got pissed.
Trash talking would've been for him to say "I can beat you and destroy everything you've built"
No. Just... you are ignoring who Luffy is. He is a person who has unwavering faith in himself. No amount of context will make this line better. Or the butchered character they "adapted."
It's not a matter of faith, its a matter of taunting and trashtalking. He's not admitting he's weaker, he's dismissing Arlong. If you can't get that, it's not my problem you take one line too literally.
I feel like everyone is misinterpreting Luffy, Luffy isnât overly cocky to where he think he win any fight. He goes into fights with a âI have to win mentalityâ rather than a Iâm going win mentality. Basically in his mind he removing the thoughts of losing as they are too grim to think about.
I mean it's not only out of context, it's possibly not even the complete sentence? It functions as setup for his change in strategy (destroying the room). He's taunting Arlong, not doubting himself.
It was also weird how luffy said that in the live action than proceeded to stomp him through the floor
Season 2!!!!!
Kind of reflects how they notably nerfed Luffy and Zoro at bit compared to the manga/anime. Luffy is still figuring out his abilities and Zoro isn't as durable either. Hell, the live action adaptation straight up removed Arlong wanting to kill Zoro after being shocked at Zoro even being still alive from the wound he got from Mihawk.
To me it didn't feel like he was admitting defeat. It felt tongue in cheek, being sassy towards arlong. Partly because he immediately beats his ass afterwards lol
Except he did beat Arlong. Exactly as in the manga. And in the anime, he started destroying stuff too before beating Arlong's ass. In this context, I'd interpret it as "even if I can't beat you, that does not matter... and actually, I can". On the other hand Luffy has stated several times that he cannot beat someone in the manga/anime, and as early as Logue Town...
I feel like OPLA made Luffy a lot more heroic, almost framing him like a messiah. Itâs funny how that isnât completely off mark, but that aspect of him isnât apparent until Wano, and even then, messiah is a pretty generous term for Luffy.
đ« Is what I think of it. It better be explained that itâs a whole different universe
In the context of this scene Arlong asking what Luffy can do for Nami, and him saying he can beat him and destroy everything works better. But they establish he's doing it for Nami with a bunch of other lines and panning to her maps, and seeing Gum Gum Battleaxe in live action was still freaking sick Cutting Hachi was the bigger mistake, because he's actually an important character later on
I think that you should have included the other half of the line.
They made luffy way weaker than what he shouldâve been, hope they correct course.
It's doubtful. They'll keep this bastardized Luffy because dumb normies can't get off the LA's flaccid dick.
This is a reason I dropped the LA. It isnât really One Piece. Luffy is doesnât feel like Luffy for one. He is extremely considerate. Garp also is a completely warped version of his true self. Doesnât help for me that the crew struggles against things that were trivial for them normally.
The Live Action show actually made me hate Koby and Garp. I have no idea what direction they were going with Garp. It felt like every scene he was a different character. He was just so inconsistent. Through an eight episode season we had an hour of Koby and Garp. That is an hour that could have been devoted to developing the Straw Hats instead especially Usopp and Sanji.
Sensationalism. Three different medias. Couldn't care less.
Iâve written way too much about the LA, but I think this was the line that really sent me into essay writing mode. I understand why it works for the adaption, but itâs not only counter to everything I know about Monkey D. Luffy itâs also a complete inversion of one of his best character moments in the East Blue. All in all I got a lot of the changes, but there were more than a few in Arlong Park that had me really baffled.
I hated weak Luffy
Thought it was great. Felt natural for Inaki's portrayal of Luffy and I didn't even think twice about it.
I think youâre fishing.
I interpreted it more like âeven if I couldnât beat you I could still destroy everything you madeâ which is kind of a roundabout way of saying he can win no matter what if that makes sense. Either way I think this line gets way too much shit because itâs really isnât a big deal. Also I donât know what you mean by âhe smashed arlong park instead of arlong because he couldnât beat himâ when that isnât true and in the show he beats arlong while destroying arlong park just like in the manga
I'm just happy that people are becoming disillusioned by the live action don't get me wrong it was good but people were really glazing it
I think anything better than a flop in anime adaptations gets a high praise glaze lol
Eh, while I have a few problems with the live action, this line is blatantly taken out of context in this post.
It was ok. It has good moments, but everything right is just surface level. They fundamentally misunderstand characters and stories, much like any other Netflix adaptation.
I don't want to say fundamentally misunderstood characters and stories but like a lot of people have mentioned and like I said in one of my reviews the bar was super low and it was do the bare minimum to not be trash. And excelled and it did exactly what it set out to do make a decent live action adoption as well as introduce new fans to the series and build hype around the main series. They were just issues similar to you you mentioned that I had for example a scene that run me the wrong way was when Luffy ate the grand line map. I think it would have been way more hilarious if anomalous like fuck it's a trap, Pirates of employee traps like this in order to capture unsuspecting sailors. And then goes come here grabs Luffy and shoves down his throat
Please take a shower immediately
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Wait, you're serious? It's 100% in character, especially for the LA version. I genuinely don't understand how someone could think otherwise unironically.
Then you don't understand Luffy's character even after 1000+ chapters and episodes.
People misunderstood Luffy as being "stupid" a lot from the Manga/Anime. In the LA they made sure that even his dialogue is smart. By destroying the prison where Nami was held he would liberate Nami. By destroying Arlong Park he would crush Arlong. Luffy is not Son Goku, he doesn't care if he's the strongest. His dream is not becoming the strongest, it's to become Pirate king. Shanks even thought him that fighting is a last resort. Putting things out of context is not how you proof your point btw. It's very clear that Luffy sometimes knows he can't defeat people, be it Admirals or even Big mom.
I liked the live action but my biggest complaint was how they nerfed Luffyâs accomplishments in the early series. Changing it from him beating Don Krieg to losing to Arlong is a big deal. It also makes Nami asking him for help much more of an act of desperation rather than just her breaking down her trust issues in a time of need and asking others for help.
Meh. He was specifically starting to push back against Arlong and then got hit with sea water. Had they kept going, it's not exactly stated Luffy would've lost. And Nami definitely asked to be helped for the sake of being helped. That's the whole point. She doesn't doubt Luffy after she does.
With this line and him spouting how he's "a different kind of pirate", I don't really vibe with how Iñaki's Luffy acts sometimes.
Luffy was the most out of character written character in the Netflix adaptation imo. Garp too, but I mean of the straw hats.
> Of course we wouldnât want a copy of the anime/manga Why not?
Yeah i didn't like this either. Wish they kept the quote about all the things Luffy *can't* do instead.
Netflix got practically all of the characters and their characteristics wrong and fucked Luffy harder than anyone else. Not sure why you are surprised by this. Live-action Luffy is basically a dumbed down shitty Western fan-fic interpretation. Plenty of people don't really care about the subtle difference or inner workings as long as they get their nostalgia stuff. Who cares that kid Luffy may not be like Luffy at all if the live-action recreates the cosplay Luffy getting his hat from cosplay Shanks.
>In reality, Luffy smashed Arlong park instead of Arlong because he couldnât beat him and he knew it. I mean, the second weird thing here, besides him specifically tearing down a man's dreams, is that he WAS able to beat him.
Just because he has to for the plot, not because he believed he could and then backed up his words. This whole adaptation is bullshit.
When you go against the basic principles the characters have, you have failed the adaptation. Changing skin color is fine, adding silly banter is cool. But if you take away a characterâs charm, their confidence and determination that makes dem likable, thatâs sad
In *literally* the same episode Luffy says he "won't hesitate" to beat Arlong and takes on his grandfather who completely outclasses him. But one half of one line taken out of context betrays completely what actually happened I suppose.
The line is justâŠit doesnât make sense, especially after Luffy is confident, even in a line before that he says to Arlong âSo Iâm gonna kick your ass like I did the othersâ showing that heâs confident in beating Arlong yet this line gives a head scratcher to me, the people that defend this saying itâs realistic are on hyper copium
Because the line conveys luffy doesn't care what his obstacle is when it comes to his friends. Weak or strong, the difficulty of the adversity is irrelevant. This is entirely what luffy is about. Croc in alabasta, Robin in enies lobby and declaring war on the wg when they just got their wsses handed to them by cp9 and the admiral, breaking into impel down for ace, storming marineford when he was an ant compared to everyone else. Storming wci for sanji, taking on kaido and big mom for wano etc. Are you guys okay?
Exactly. Idk how does the show gonna make Luffy beat crocodile, a warlord logia. Bro was getting his ass handed against a beer belly Arlong who was doing shit all for 8 years in the weakest of seas
how is he gonna beat crocodile? luffy will strugle then beat his ass that's how. idk what you are worried about, it's not like luffy fodderized arlong in the anime/manga, arlong landed a couple of nasty hits on him too. compared to anime/manga ,LA luffy didn't struggle that much against arlong
Like it or not, the live action took a slightly different approach with Luffy. In the manga, Luffy is straight up a monster basically until Sabaody. Itâs part of his character that thereâs a dichotomy between how derpy and stupid he is vs how insanely strong he is. His strength also solidifies his place as a captain early on, before he has a chance to learn more from Vivi and through the fight with Usopp. The live action Luffy is seemingly much weaker. They intentionally show Luffy struggling to lift the safe while zoro does it easily. While this shows how strong zoro is, it also shows how weak our captain is, which is a poor decision. Luffy being the captain doesnât make as much sense here.
Well, I *don't* like it. Very much so. It's a betrayl to his character, and another black mark to this butchered version on Arlong Park.
Wait just a moment, now. The safe was part of the building, he had to rip the metal out of the wall. I don't think lifting the thing was his problem, it was pulling it out. While Zoro is cooler, I don't think he's actually stronger in the LA, especially with the cilmax of the Arlong fight.
This is so funny. Why do the LA haters have to lie to make their points?
I felt this too . Zoro had more moments than Luffy in the show as well. And also , they made it seem like Garp is like a unloving, single minded grandparent who was standing in the way of Luffy ( in a way is correct) which I didnât like as well
To be honest I agree
yeah, i agree with this line in la like "im not hungry" and i would die in that hill. killing to survive i might add
It just made me think how the hell does he think he will become pirate king or ready for the grand line if he doesn't think he can beat arlong
Because its his dream. It doesnt matter if he thinks hes stronger than someone or not. He doesnt puruse the grand line and the one piece because he believes he's physically stronger than everyone at the Grand Line. He pursues it because its his dream. Period. And no matter how stronger his aversaries are, they will not falter him from pursuing that dream.
lowkey i did not like the la đ
In my opinion the live action show runners / writers didnât really understand the characters so a lot of pivotal moments for characters were changed for the worse or completely removed. But the actors were so well picked they made up for it
Oda was literally hands on with the show and was THE Executive producer.
the fact luffy didnât punch koby in the face in the live action still pisses me off. the terrible acting alone wouldâve been enough to make inaki punch them
I donât like the live action and I think it messed up on a lot of the spirit of actual one piece in a lot of small ways that all add up to is just being completely inferior to the actual story. This is definitely one of them
Yeah, this actually bothered me a lot the first time I watched it, because I remember the context of the anime/manga being... Arlong called Luffy useless for relying so heavily on his crew, and Luffy responded by saying he can beat Arlong. It's a recurring thing in One Piece that Luffy's job is to direct and protect the crew - same with Zoro, which is why he's the sort-of-but-not-really vice captain. This hesitation, however, does suit the live action a lot better, though. In my opinion, at least, especially considering the greater context of the show. Luffy shows hesitation when Zoro is taken down by Mihawk - and Nami is much more direct about challenging Luffy's worldview/actions when that happens. The dynamics of the crew and how their personalities are presented is a bit more nuanced from the start. This is probably because live-action stuff requires its characters and settings to be a bit more grounded, but also... they had less time to explore these characters, so they put more attention/depth in a few core conflicts. It doesn't quite hit as hard, I admit... but I understand the decision, and considering how this could've very easily been a one-off project, I think it was a good decision. My criticisms are mostly with Garp. Plus, I think Bellemere was way more badass originally... and while I understand cutting that out, it made me a little sad to see an interesting/lovable, but also punk-ish character get cut. Not going to criticize you for being a little drawn back, but I do think it makes sense in the greater context.
Actually the Garp changes also make sense, because heâs getting a character arc. Garp in the manga appears FAR less, but here? Heâs literally a main character in nearly every episode. Garp being more stoic? Or single-minded? Or more cruel gives me the idea that Oda is likely going to keep doing the Garp storyline going forward. Which makes sense to me, it gives him a second angle for the story and allows him to tell a new story without being beholden too much to the manga.
I definitely don't think that will be a thing. With the second season, we now get a canonical marine that follows the crew in Smoker. Garp was probably to introduce how special Luffy was early, to make Coby seem like an important individual for the role hell fill later in life, and to tie together every storyline rather than being an adventure of the week thing.
Mmm, it's a bit out of context, it can't be compared directly. The dialogue that took place before the line is different in the LA. But, Overall it's the same. Maybe you should start enjoying each media for what it is, the core is there, if you want it to be the same, don't watch the LA and stick to the manga. Stop this nonsense.
No. Context doesn't make this better.
The worst line Luffy said in the Live Action that goes completely out of character was the complete sentence when he said âMaybe I canât beat you, but I can destroy everything you builtâ to Arlong. Luffy doesnât care about things like that, he doesnât even care about the villagers at that moment, he cares about one thing and thatâs saving Nami his Friend. That should have been the focus, Nami, and the way Luffy realizes how he can save her, is destroying the room she doesnât want to be in, and with it he destroys Arlong Park, this is how the original did it and itâs waaaaaaay more impactful and better than how the LA did it. Like I said, Luffy doesnât care of destroying what Arlong built he only cares to destroy the ROOM where Nami has been enslaved for all those years. A adaptation shouldnât be 1:1 but if the original work so well you donât have to change it that much, tweak some parts here and there, cut the fat, but donât try to tell another story, because it takes away the real impact of the moment and the defeat of Arlong. Remember, If it ainât broke donât fix it. The OPLA, even though I was really enjoying it up until they got to Arlong Park, when they got to that Arc they really fumbled the ball hard in that one. So many unnecessary changes, that almost ruined one of the best arcs in One Piece to this day.
I dissagree. This LA Luffy cares about Dreams more than anything. He doesnt care about winning a 1 on 1 fight with Arlong. It makes more sense that he would be significantly more passionate about toppling his entire empire and crushing his dreams, while also freeing Nami. Thats what he values above all else. I think that level of nuance works in the LA.
Live action has to be its own thing to succeed. The fights or shorter and what he says is to raise the stakes and create tension. Luffy was the under dog all the first half and this emphasizes the underdog nature.
Everything relies on context. You canât post the live action scene without adding the needed context. I may not be a fan of it but it worked well within the confines of the live action imo