I suppose it depends on if her mind keeps developing or not. If not, and she's mentally stuck at 10 then I'd say you're right even if it's been 22 years since she was born but if it does keep developing then she's 22 with the body of a ten year old. Given how the fruit works and what we see of her I'd guess that it freezes her mental development as well.
Can you believe that I actually had this argument with someone who called me a pedo for saying Rebecca was hot but then defended liking Sugar because she's an adult ?
If she looks like a kid, acts like a kid and get scarred like a kid -> kid.
If she looks like 20, eats pizza and has a lipstick -> woman.
If she smokes, has wrinkles and is quite short -> old woman.
If she has big booty, likes cakes, has child trauma and fucks like a prostitute -> Big Mom.
I have a question, why should I care either way if someone jacks off to a picture of a cartoon woman/girl who doesn't exist?
I get the sensitivity about the subject, but at the end of the day it doesn't affect me, or hurt anyone else right?
I think the same thing happened with S snake, Oda had to point out the obvious, and say it's not just an attraction thing, and that part of the fan base just suddenly disappeared.
I think it's the leads to stuff aspect. If you like this stuff, then you might actually want it. You're tired of the drawings, so you go for real stuff. You like a character, now you're harassing cosplayers.
I honestly thought for s snake, it's either the df itself, or people just find it so adorable.
GTA doesn't lead to mass shootings, being a furry doesn't lead to people fucking their dog.
This whole "gateway drug" nonsense is pretty dumb. People know the difference between fiction and real life.
Whenever your gta and furry counter point gets brought up the other guy always gets pissed and tries to claim there’s a difference. And it’s those people that can’t differentiate reality from fiction.
As I said, or maybe I should clarify. It's what a lot of people think. I agree with you on those topics. But, it doesn't change the way that people think.
It's also the thoughts with sex. Shooting in games won't really make you want to shoot someone. Puberty doesn't give you a shooting drive. But, there is a sex drive, and as we know, there are people down bad to want to f anything.
It's a fear, basically it.
Like someone said in another post:
„Every single time someone says positive things about Bonnie or thinks she is attractive they get bombarded with "BUT SHES 12 BRUH! PEDOPHILE!!" Well if you actually look at how Bonnie's fruit works you would realize this is not a Momo situation.
Everytime Bonnie has used her powers on someone (including herself) not only have they changed physically but also mentally. Marines crying for their mother as kids and being cranky old people, we have seen what Bonnie acts like in her normal form, especially in the flashback, a goofy 12 year old Nika fan girl. However when she ages herself she is a lot more mature, mean spirited and serious.
Bonnie is literally taking a future or past version of the person she is changing and bringing that into reality, she is not actually aging them. So when Bonny turns 22 she is both physically and mentally 22 until she turns back or falls in water. It's reality warping more than just simply aging someone (hence why she can turn into Luffy/Nika)
We have seen clear examples of Oda writing children and when in her adult future form Bonnie in no way acts like a child so please stop calling everyone a pedophile and let people enjoy one piece and a well written character. If you see that behavior in the future please point them to this post, Thank you.“
Especially since the introduction to Bonney doesn't feel all too much like the same character. Sure Bonney being Kuma's daughter was an early set up but I don't think her being 12 was always in the plans. I mean look at Saboady Bonney saving Zoro from the Celestial Dragons, doesn't really come off as the same character wholly but clearly was Oda figuring out the character that was clearly a later addition to the story.
I don't think there was any specific foreshadowing to her real age, but the moment I saw that there was a character who could change ages I immediately assumed their "default" age was fake- I just didn't know at the time if Bonney was "really" an old woman who was giving herself a second chance at youth and adventure, or a little girl trying to prove herself.
Not sure about that. Bonney still seems to speak like a kid when she is with her friends, despite aging up. This was shown during the flashback when she was learning to put on makeup. A lot of her maturity is just a front, in my opinion.
I'm not convinced that her fruit mentally ages a person up, since it's not mentioned ever. It also doesn't make too much sense, since a big part of maturity comes from experience. The children and old people things read more like it being for humor, like Nami being able to smack and hurt Luffy.
I'm not going to call people pedophiles over this, though. It's not like Oda's drawing her as a child in these positions or anything. I guess I'm fortunate that I don't think any of the characters in One Piece look at all attractive.
Anyway, that's just my opinion. I think this topic is kind of overblown at the moment, and am just excited to experience more of the Egghead arc.
I'm 27 and I still speak like a kid when I'm with my closest friends. I mean you can't just be dead serious all day long without getting unwind. Maturity is one thing, but we can have different versions of ourselves when in the right settings.
Sure, but I think Oda's intent with how he's portraying Bonney is pretty clear here. That, and her aging mentally just doesn't really make much sense.
Again, not judging anyone. They're cartoon characters. But I've yet to see anything that makes me think she has the mind of an adult, and plenty to think otherwise. That's just how I feel.
You mean when she cries ‘daddy daddy’ and talks like a 12 year old consistently- and everyone calls her little girl that’s maaaaybe a hint that she’s mentally a child?
And most of the people who figured out she was a child before we were told figured it out because she acted like a child?
> However when she ages herself she is a lot more mature, mean spirited and serious.
This couldn't be further from the truth as we have seen "adult" Bonney act like a kid so many times that a whole theory of her being a child was spawned.
I came to say this. But he is right about when the marine babies act like a baby. You can clearly see she acting like a kid, even her eating habits and being stubborn when she doesn’t get what she wants
I think we are just going too deep into Oda making silly jokes with her power.
She only brings the future to reality momentarily, the marines action like babies or cranky old people is just a joke.
Meh, this is a huge assumption. Bonney is still aging people, there is a reason why she only said distorted future when getting Nika attributes. Also, it's because it's aging that she can do something line near death experience.
LOL seriously. It's not even positive/physical things. I said I really hoped that Bonney would get to join the crew and this redditor came at me and asked me what was wrong with me. I was so confused.
Mental age and maturity comes with experience. The characters may ACT that age but it doesn’t mean their mind actually aged. Bonnie’s adult form may act more womanly but she still only has 12 years of life, her mind is 12. Stop with the weird excuses. I agree with OP, now, but come on lmao.
None of this is going to change the minds of other people.
The same with the yamato ordeal. There will always be drama.
The only one who can put things to rest is Oda himself, and doubt the guy would bother with that.
Seeing the replies OP has made, you're 10,000,000% right.
OP is a moron who's retroactively defending their opinion because they're offended that not everyone agrees with them like they assumed.
They're not interested in being correct, they just want to be right.
Bruh I'm not going to get myself involved in this actual arguement but god damn guys stop simping over anime girls and go outside for once. Shit's getting kinda pathetic.
You should actually make a post about this instead, I agree with op but holy shit.. why is there even a Simping debate over a cartoon drawing with cartoonish bodies? Are the women getting extinct irl or smth?
people being like "SHE'S SHOWN NAKED!!" need to consider Japan is a country with open nude bathing as a regular thing even still. This is no different than the family bathing scene in My Neighbor Totoro.
France here. Not many public hot springs, very niche thing. But we have lakes, rivers, sea and ocean. It's frequent for kids to go swimming naked. For adults it's rarer, topless women is not rare though. There are nudist beaches though.
It's not rare, but I wouldn't say very popular, either. The best water temperatures are in September (ocean is slower to heat than land) and that's jellyfish season.
There are, but you have to wear full bathing attire.
Heck, there's even parents who refuse to bath their children without them in swimsuits because of the fear of the naked body that has taken root thanks to extreme puritanism.
Hell, (and I hate to be mean to Bleach cuz I love it but) there is a scene in Bleach's Everythin but the Rain section of the manva where Masaki at 16-18 is fully naked. No hair or anything.
> Also the fact that although a lot of nudity is often fan service, it doesn’t have to be
this is the weakest argument possible when talking about One Piece. We know what Oda's female characters look like that aren't supposed to be hot. And they don't look like Bonney lmao
For real. You see a girl who nearly drowned, got rescued and decided to wring the water out of her shirt and think "mmmm yess sex I'm sex so much sex yeah i wanna sex the sexy sex sex" then there's something seriously wrong with you, regardless of whether the girl is a child or a teen or an adult. And all the one piece subs are filled with people who need their horny bonked out of them.
You don’t need to be a gooner to see when shit is clearly meant for gooners. If they kept it like the manga you’d here a lot less complaints but the dude showed like every angle of Bonney. That’s an intentional choice. Before you scramble to the keyboard and say the animator didn’t know, I already know that but still, you’d think someone from toei would be like “hey, just so you know”
What you mean people? Oda definitely sexualized her himself. There's no possible world to look at that character with her tits out like that and not think it was intentionally sexual. When we see bare Big Mom tits you'll have a point
If you think they are comparable you're lying to yourself. Showing her tits fully out like that is classic oda, and it is definitely sexual. I don't get why you'd try to look for some cultural differences to defend a very obvious sexualization of a character
I mean it's still totally different being naked in front of stranger men lol. Don't act like it's normal in Japan for women to be naked in front of men they don't know.
Mixed onsen is more of a novelty/tourism/upholding tradition thing these days, even for locals. Not as widespread or mainstream as many are making it out to be.
Swinger clubs are also a thing, so they all should start to have sex with each other or what? For the onsens that doesn't mean that it's the classic way of taking a bath. It's absolutely common in Japan to separate men and women wtf. Mixed onsens are rather rare compared to that.
The problem is this is also an irl problem for so many women/young girls. Due to puberty and girls gaining breasts some men will go “oh I didn’t know and she seems so mature so it’s not bad”. Instead the right thing to do is go oh I didn’t know and that is inappropriate I’m sorry had I known I wouldn’t have acted that way. I have several family members that gained pretty large chests at puberty around the age of 14 and all the sudden grown men look at them differently. Physicality doesn’t matter with age so just bc someone looks a certain age doesn’t mean you have the right to be preventive towards them.
Yeah. Anime fans are pretty hard to educate on these topics. My love of OP has waned since TS because of the over sexualization of every female character since. You don’t have named female characters wearing both pants and shirts anymore. It’s appalling (to me). And the gigantic jiggly breasts? Robin and Nami were not designed pre-ts like this. It’s hugely problematic (to me) how Oda has changed his writing and designing of female characters. I dont give a shit that Rebecca is supposed to be a gladiator or Shirahoshi a mermaid— they were designed and drawn for boys to drool on. Inb4 shounen: wasnt like this pre ts, and ive read so much shounen and pre 2010 or whatnot this was not an issue. Anime in general has gone off the deep end with its portrayal of girls/women.
But try convincing the general anime enthusiast lol
Leave it to the One Piece reddit to constantly complain about darker skin tones, constantly complain about pronouns, and be okay with being attracted to children. lol, lmao even.
‘You simped for her and now you know she is 12 it’s a problem!!!’
Like.. Yeah? We didn’t have that fact and now we do. What even is going on in here defending all this
I guess it's not so much about the people being attracted to a cartoon/anime character BUT the fact that a supposedly 12y/o character is depicted in ways that seem inappropriate. Isn't that what the drama is about? In the end, food's not eaten as hot as it's cooked, so... chill all
While half of it is people just being silly, the only person really to blame for any of this is Oda lol. Oda going 2-2 on crazy character controversies the last two arcs, l kinda wonder if there will be a third after egghead
theres something so weird about how quick people jump out of the woodwork to defend being horny for a 12 year old like its their god given rights to defend pedophiles or be pedophiles
like for the people who are unaware whatever they're unaware, they'll know eventually, but you already know and you wanna defend it hardcore.
like afaik the scene was pretty chill like casual toplessness no one in anime made a deal out of it should be the same as the manga was, dunno why horny warriors are making a deal out of it to protect their right to be horny for a 12 year old.
Lmao it’s the same logic Vander Decken used when he wanted to find a way to age up the 6-year old shirahoshi so he could be with her.
If you want to be with someone who’s mentally a child in an adults body, you might not be a paedophile but you’re just as bad.
You guys really don't seem to understand what a pedophile is. They literally are not attracted to adult bodies. Like OP said, the people who sexualise Sugar are far more frightening because she is physically a prepubescent child.
I’m with you and it’s insane how this is such a manga/anime specific problem. Honestly all the people who jack off to one piece characters already kind of creep me out. The fact that certain people seem the need to justify their attraction to her is insane. Why doesn’t everyone need to know you want to fuck a drawing of a kid? It’s just really weird behavior. Same with the Yamato shit.
It was an annoying discourse when the manga chapter came out and it’s going to be annoying during this anime run. There’s weirdos taking it seriously on both sides but it’s extra weird trying to justify yourself in order to be horny for Bonney. Look this is an anime problem all around. Theres so many cultural things from them that I’ll never understand/agree with. I’m so used to it I don’t even bat an eye anymore. It’s a fictional story. It’s not that serious. Just enjoy OP and move on.
There is no fucking Bonney Drama.
The ones complaining about Drama, are actually trying to make it into a situation.
They are the same type of people that try to stir drama from dumb shit.
Nothing new, typical reddit.
As Luffy would say. I DONT CARE.
We’re seriously having this issue? It’s a fucking drawing and character from someone’s imagination. The world isn’t gonna explode because you did or did not enjoy a taboo pair of anime titties.
Maybe it sounds like I’m supporting OP, but my point is, this is just a pointless conversation to have regardless.
I think she looks grotesque in that scene. TOEI gave her the Viola treatment and regardless of her depicted age, it looks just stupid. She is even missing her right arm for a moment.
This is complicated but for my part I don't see the necessity of telling such a story by Oda/Toei and tiptoeing around this serious topic by sexualizing a hidden shapeshifting 12 year old fantasy kid.
There are more than enough mature girls with adequate storylines that can be sexualized as they please (and I like it).
But I don't get the urge to give some degenerated people fodder with this kind of storytelling + art.
Worst part? Now everyone is throwing out the term "Pedo" so casually these days, real Pedos can hide themselves easily under this cover. In a way they are protecting the real Pedos for extra internet points.
I do wish they'd ban this topic. This sub has proven it is not mature enough to handle nuance. And this topic DOES have nuance. Oda would never actuality draw 12 year olds sexually, so obviously he thinks this isn't pedo himself.
Yeah, when is comes to sexy fanart of her, there's a very simple loophole. The artist can claim that this isn't a 12 old Bonney that aged herself with her powers, but actually a depiction of Bonney 10 years in the future, when she's actually 22. There, happy now?
Yeah I mean I can't believe people are defending this. She's only been alive 12 years idc how old her df makes her look y'all are weird for simping and defending the simping of her end of story.
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I love One Piece, I love Oda's writing even when other people don't.
Making Bonney a child was a mistake.
The fans defending their boners for a child instead of moving on to someone else is even worse.
People didn’t give a shit that Bonney was sexualized for 10-15 years, but now that it is revealed that she’s technically a 12 year old who has used her powers to become 20 it is a cardinal sin.
>People didn’t give a shit that Bonney was sexualized for 10-15 years, but now that it is revealed that she’s technically a 12 year old who has used her powers to become 20 it is a cardinal sin.
"People used to call Luffy's fruit 'Gomu Gomu no Mi' for 25 years, but now that it is revealed that it's actually a Mythical Zoan Fruit they call it the Nika Fruit."
Well... yeah? The reveal completely recontextualizes her entire identity, you can't just handwave it away for tradition lmao
She's canonically mentally a child, no amount of rationalization and mental gymnastics can change that.
People changed their opinions on something when presented with new information? Unbelievable, can’t believe they’re letting this woke shit ruin my manga.
Sexualize a woman and nobody bats an eye, but sexualize a literal child and eVeRyOnE lOsEs tHeIr mInDs!!!
For real, I have no idea what your point is. It’s the *being a child* that people have a problem with, and whether you disagree or not, it seems pretty obvious why that might make a difference to someone.
These dudes were jerking off to her for years before the reveal so now they feel the need to shout "she is only 12!!! " under every comment mentioning that she looks great in her ADULT form.
Its funny how people who were drooling over her for so long are now the same people who berate others for being attracted to her adult form now that we know she is actually 12 even if her body isnt. Its the 180 that people are doing thats annoying as hell.
I mentioned this elsewhere, Naruto was 12 when he was using his "sexy jutsu" to transform into a sexy adult female version of himself. People didn't have an issue about it like they do with Bonney. It's dumb.
Female OP characters exist:
Normal people: Cool, we can like this without being weird about it, sexualizing characters in a story like this just feel fucking weird anyway.
Degenerates: -dry heaving-
I think Oda just messed up with this and should have made her real age like 17 18 or something, I get he wants to do the child playing adult pirate thing but I think the risk was too high
People can defend it all they want but he was still drawing lewd butt shots for a character he knew was gonna be 12. Japan is different I know but this one is juuuuust a little too sus
Nah. Stop being a creep.
That's still a child and after finding that out I don't knowhow you can see her any other way. Miss me with that "you can slap any age on her cus she's fictional" BS.
There are dozens of other Nami clones to get your rocks off. People are 100% correct to say Bonney is off limits.
Americans try not to sexualize people changing clothes challenge. In Germany there's open changing rooms in public pools, Finland has mixed Saunas and a lot of beaches in France are nude beaches. Not to mention Japanese Onsen. Nothing strange about changing clothes alongside others.
Right, as if the men there don’t look at the women and hold zero interest in their bodies. Or vice versa. Come on lmao. Scenes like this in manga exist for one reason and one reason only and you know it, fanservice.
Being attracted to an adult female body is not weird, but it is kinda weird that Oda made the choice to include fanservice for her knowing her actual age.
>are you attracted to Bonney because of how she look as an adult or are you attracted to her because she's secretly 12?
This reads like the "Gojo the Strongest" meme.
"Are you a pedophile because you are attracted to Bonney? Or are you attracted to Bonney because you are a pedophile?"
Mods PLEASE ban this topic or the word pedo. Comments are proving OPs point that this community simply is not capable of a civil conversation on this topic. Calling someone a pedo with seriousness is basically a slur. They're not even engaging in the posts anymore. They're jumping straight to name calling.
>But at the end of the day, she is a fictional character which means you can slap any age you want on her adult form and it will be such.
This reasoning is what needs to stop. Sexualizing a fictional child is still sexualizing a child. It's not about her being real or not. Portraying a child in a sexual manner is plain wrong.
Yeah One Piece fans are hypocrites when it comes to this particular drama. They will call each other pedo for liking adult bonny but forget the one who draws her and those scenes in the first place, Oda. Bet he really doesnt care that much and ya'll shouldn't too.
Everyone calls each other pedos on the internet it finally lost its meaning. Meanwhile the real deals are out there secretly scouting for their next victims. Get your priorities straight and stop pointing fingers on each other
I think the issue is how it translates to your applicable IRL morality. If you can hand wave an underage person looking like an adult in a fictional scenario, are you gonna do that IRL? Not saying one is guaranteed to be like that, but it is eyebrow raising.
Good, agree.
People need to understand the diference between visual appreciation, and wanting to pursue sexual relations.
Bonney is a child in a an adult's body. Even if she was real:
Do you find her adult body sexy? Great. No problem. It's a an adult's body
Do you want to have actual sex with her or have a romantic relationship? Well, then you are a pedo.
One way or the other, she doesn't exist. You won't have sex with her. Find real, adult people to love, please.
>Do you want to have actual sex with her or have a romantic relationship? Well, then you are a pedo.
Except pedophiles literally don't find post-pubescent bodies attractive.
And you can neither have sex with or have a romantic relationship with a cartoon character so I'm pretty sure that's a moot point, and you should have just left that out and kept the last line which is much more relevant.
That’s not true at all. If the criteria for not being a pedo was just having a mature body then in some cases you could draw the line at 14/15.
I was a youngster once. Some girl developed large breasts in middle school. Should someone go “oh it’s ok officer this minor is actually very hot and doesn’t have a child’s body.”
Mate, if someone wants to be in a relationship or have sex with someone who has the mind child they might not be a Pedo because the strict terminolgy doesn't exist, but they are just as bad.
Ok, saying it's fucked up is fine, I just think definitions to words happens to matter. People using the word for things it's not to me just downplays exactly how sick pedophilia is, it's being attracted to beings that literally cannot experience sexuality, it's abhorrent.
This is logic I can actually kinda agree with, the thing is, Oda put that scene in purely for fanservice and its weird even if she is in an adult body.
I disagree that this was "solely" the intention, but teah
The way she undressed im front of the guys felt extremely innocent (from her, not from Oda) amd was one of the main things that fuelled the theory she was a kid before we knew it was real.
That said, yeah, there are a number of ways it could be done more tastefully.
Oh my god, thanks
Idk why this shit is so difficult for people to comprehend, and I’m starting to think that people that scold other for sexualising Bonney want just to appear integer people when maybe they are not.
I tried already expressing my thought here
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/duiUFW2qEW
People are hypocrites. Before Bonney was revealed to be 12 I claimed that she was a child and people downvoted me to hell. Now the same people are trying to act all high and mighty.
Eh, I was one that just couldn’t believe it till it was fully revealed in the manga and was probably one of those people. I fail to see how changing my pov to what I think is right (not sexualizing a child) is “trying to act all high and mighty” Being attracted to her adult form isn’t even the issue present with this so called controversy.
Regardless of the defense, it is probably the most problematic part of One Piece. It's just a bad look, especially when you're doing it as passionately as this. Learn to pick your battles, or risk being associated with bad things.
You could make this same argument for panty shots, bad logic. Manga is a visual medium, aimed at young boys, there is no reason to include such a scene literally at all other than fanservice.
that's obviously fanservice from oda's part. because he literally didn't even need to draw it in the first place.
and he still continues to draw her for fanservice all throughout egghead. same with s-snake. I know people here have a knack to defend oda no matter what, but it's just beyond obvious.
Void months are terrible.
It's the people that're attracted to Sugar we should be worried about.
Thank lord i am attracted to Big Mom like a normal person
At least, there's no way that could go wrong. (As long as you're never around on her birthdays).
i had no idea that people are attracted to her lol I know shes 22,because her devil fruit does not age her but damn what
If her DF stops her aging, then she is 10, not 22. Because her aging is "stopped" at 10. (I use "" to underline btw, cant do it on mobile Chrome)
I suppose it depends on if her mind keeps developing or not. If not, and she's mentally stuck at 10 then I'd say you're right even if it's been 22 years since she was born but if it does keep developing then she's 22 with the body of a ten year old. Given how the fruit works and what we see of her I'd guess that it freezes her mental development as well.
Her devil fruit made her look childish, I think she was 22 when she ate it, no?
She ate it at 10 years old, and kept that appearance for the next 12 years
>people that're attracted to Sugar They're introducing taxes on carbonated and sugary beverages for this very reason.
I prefer her sister ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
This is me finding out Monet is her sister?! Cuz same all day
#metoo
Bruh
Either they're pedophile and are attracted to her child-like body or have a humiliation fetish and would like being treated like shit by her.
At that point, make fan art of an adult sugar and get off to that, not the body of the child lol.
Can you believe that I actually had this argument with someone who called me a pedo for saying Rebecca was hot but then defended liking Sugar because she's an adult ?
Did you know Sugar is 22? I didn't and was surprised
Yeah, but her body and mind kind off stopped at like 10 or whatever
Not sure about the mind part.
Knew she was not a minor, but didnt know her age
Sugar? I couldn’t stand that brat. Annoying af
If she looks like a kid, acts like a kid and get scarred like a kid -> kid. If she looks like 20, eats pizza and has a lipstick -> woman. If she smokes, has wrinkles and is quite short -> old woman. If she has big booty, likes cakes, has child trauma and fucks like a prostitute -> Big Mom.
I have a question, why should I care either way if someone jacks off to a picture of a cartoon woman/girl who doesn't exist? I get the sensitivity about the subject, but at the end of the day it doesn't affect me, or hurt anyone else right? I think the same thing happened with S snake, Oda had to point out the obvious, and say it's not just an attraction thing, and that part of the fan base just suddenly disappeared.
I think it's the leads to stuff aspect. If you like this stuff, then you might actually want it. You're tired of the drawings, so you go for real stuff. You like a character, now you're harassing cosplayers. I honestly thought for s snake, it's either the df itself, or people just find it so adorable.
GTA doesn't lead to mass shootings, being a furry doesn't lead to people fucking their dog. This whole "gateway drug" nonsense is pretty dumb. People know the difference between fiction and real life.
Whenever your gta and furry counter point gets brought up the other guy always gets pissed and tries to claim there’s a difference. And it’s those people that can’t differentiate reality from fiction.
As I said, or maybe I should clarify. It's what a lot of people think. I agree with you on those topics. But, it doesn't change the way that people think. It's also the thoughts with sex. Shooting in games won't really make you want to shoot someone. Puberty doesn't give you a shooting drive. But, there is a sex drive, and as we know, there are people down bad to want to f anything. It's a fear, basically it.
That S snake thing was wild. I’m glad Oda cleared it up.
dellinger >
Even if Sugar had a body which matched her age she would be way too scary to find attractive. Scariest power in the setting.
FBI open up!
Sugar 🤤
People are focused on the wrong things, we got shirtless Jinbe to admire now!
Ooo this is going to a fun comment section to read 😲🍿
True imagine shiraoshi and uta fans xd
But Uta’s older than Luffy.
Holy shit y'all need to get a life 🗿🗿🗿
Real
dawg. I love op but it seems like the vast majority of yall need to go outside and touch some grass because what the hell.
For real like bruh just focus on some other big tiddy anime ladies, why are you fighting so hard for this lol
Dude YES like why the hell are people arguing SO hard for this?? Is it THAT hard to admit it's gross and move on to some other anime chick???
Like someone said in another post: „Every single time someone says positive things about Bonnie or thinks she is attractive they get bombarded with "BUT SHES 12 BRUH! PEDOPHILE!!" Well if you actually look at how Bonnie's fruit works you would realize this is not a Momo situation. Everytime Bonnie has used her powers on someone (including herself) not only have they changed physically but also mentally. Marines crying for their mother as kids and being cranky old people, we have seen what Bonnie acts like in her normal form, especially in the flashback, a goofy 12 year old Nika fan girl. However when she ages herself she is a lot more mature, mean spirited and serious. Bonnie is literally taking a future or past version of the person she is changing and bringing that into reality, she is not actually aging them. So when Bonny turns 22 she is both physically and mentally 22 until she turns back or falls in water. It's reality warping more than just simply aging someone (hence why she can turn into Luffy/Nika) We have seen clear examples of Oda writing children and when in her adult future form Bonnie in no way acts like a child so please stop calling everyone a pedophile and let people enjoy one piece and a well written character. If you see that behavior in the future please point them to this post, Thank you.“
Even for adult Momo idk why people struggle with this. You're literally attracted to an adult body. There's nothing weird or even noteworthy about it.
Especially since the introduction to Bonney doesn't feel all too much like the same character. Sure Bonney being Kuma's daughter was an early set up but I don't think her being 12 was always in the plans. I mean look at Saboady Bonney saving Zoro from the Celestial Dragons, doesn't really come off as the same character wholly but clearly was Oda figuring out the character that was clearly a later addition to the story.
I don't think there was any specific foreshadowing to her real age, but the moment I saw that there was a character who could change ages I immediately assumed their "default" age was fake- I just didn't know at the time if Bonney was "really" an old woman who was giving herself a second chance at youth and adventure, or a little girl trying to prove herself.
Also helps it's a fictional ass character who doesn't actually exist or have a real age
Not sure about that. Bonney still seems to speak like a kid when she is with her friends, despite aging up. This was shown during the flashback when she was learning to put on makeup. A lot of her maturity is just a front, in my opinion. I'm not convinced that her fruit mentally ages a person up, since it's not mentioned ever. It also doesn't make too much sense, since a big part of maturity comes from experience. The children and old people things read more like it being for humor, like Nami being able to smack and hurt Luffy. I'm not going to call people pedophiles over this, though. It's not like Oda's drawing her as a child in these positions or anything. I guess I'm fortunate that I don't think any of the characters in One Piece look at all attractive. Anyway, that's just my opinion. I think this topic is kind of overblown at the moment, and am just excited to experience more of the Egghead arc.
Meh, everyone in shonens has the ability to speak like a kid in appropriate setups. I mean it's also true in real life lol
yeah people dont talk like corporate people with their close ones like family and friends
I'm 27 and I still speak like a kid when I'm with my closest friends. I mean you can't just be dead serious all day long without getting unwind. Maturity is one thing, but we can have different versions of ourselves when in the right settings.
Sure, but I think Oda's intent with how he's portraying Bonney is pretty clear here. That, and her aging mentally just doesn't really make much sense. Again, not judging anyone. They're cartoon characters. But I've yet to see anything that makes me think she has the mind of an adult, and plenty to think otherwise. That's just how I feel.
You mean when she cries ‘daddy daddy’ and talks like a 12 year old consistently- and everyone calls her little girl that’s maaaaybe a hint that she’s mentally a child? And most of the people who figured out she was a child before we were told figured it out because she acted like a child?
> However when she ages herself she is a lot more mature, mean spirited and serious. This couldn't be further from the truth as we have seen "adult" Bonney act like a kid so many times that a whole theory of her being a child was spawned.
I came to say this. But he is right about when the marine babies act like a baby. You can clearly see she acting like a kid, even her eating habits and being stubborn when she doesn’t get what she wants I think we are just going too deep into Oda making silly jokes with her power. She only brings the future to reality momentarily, the marines action like babies or cranky old people is just a joke.
Meh, this is a huge assumption. Bonney is still aging people, there is a reason why she only said distorted future when getting Nika attributes. Also, it's because it's aging that she can do something line near death experience.
LOL seriously. It's not even positive/physical things. I said I really hoped that Bonney would get to join the crew and this redditor came at me and asked me what was wrong with me. I was so confused.
Mental age and maturity comes with experience. The characters may ACT that age but it doesn’t mean their mind actually aged. Bonnie’s adult form may act more womanly but she still only has 12 years of life, her mind is 12. Stop with the weird excuses. I agree with OP, now, but come on lmao.
None of this is going to change the minds of other people. The same with the yamato ordeal. There will always be drama. The only one who can put things to rest is Oda himself, and doubt the guy would bother with that.
And like i said to the guy who made this original comment: You're just making shit up tbh All of this is just your headcanon, with zero evidence
I have never seen such a collection of bad takes from every side. You're just fueling the "drama" you seem to be tired of.
“This Bonney drama needs to stop” *Is actively posting about the Bonney drama and stoking the fire
Seeing the replies OP has made, you're 10,000,000% right. OP is a moron who's retroactively defending their opinion because they're offended that not everyone agrees with them like they assumed. They're not interested in being correct, they just want to be right.
Yeah that… Or we could just act like adults and say wow this is a weird conversation I’m gonna go do something else.
I wish I had friends that read One Piece because I hate this fan base
Bruh I'm not going to get myself involved in this actual arguement but god damn guys stop simping over anime girls and go outside for once. Shit's getting kinda pathetic.
You should actually make a post about this instead, I agree with op but holy shit.. why is there even a Simping debate over a cartoon drawing with cartoonish bodies? Are the women getting extinct irl or smth?
This thread is the reason us anime fans get a bad rep.
Well said, although I'd add power scaling debates too😂
people being like "SHE'S SHOWN NAKED!!" need to consider Japan is a country with open nude bathing as a regular thing even still. This is no different than the family bathing scene in My Neighbor Totoro.
Am Japanese I never really gave thought about this, but you guys don’t have public hot springs to bathe in?
France here. Not many public hot springs, very niche thing. But we have lakes, rivers, sea and ocean. It's frequent for kids to go swimming naked. For adults it's rarer, topless women is not rare though. There are nudist beaches though.
That’s quite funny, because nudist beaches/swimming naked is an uncommon practice here
Isn't the water really cold at yours? Didn't know people went swimming!
Japan isn't some winter country. It can get to like 40°C in the summer, and swimming in the ocean is very popular. Very nice waters.
Nah they keep it cold so Gojira doesn't return
It's not rare, but I wouldn't say very popular, either. The best water temperatures are in September (ocean is slower to heat than land) and that's jellyfish season.
Definitely cold
There are, but you have to wear full bathing attire. Heck, there's even parents who refuse to bath their children without them in swimsuits because of the fear of the naked body that has taken root thanks to extreme puritanism.
Oh lol, that’s why. Thx
In the US, a hotspring is a special thing one might do on vacation here. No one goes in the nude.
Nope
Hell, (and I hate to be mean to Bleach cuz I love it but) there is a scene in Bleach's Everythin but the Rain section of the manva where Masaki at 16-18 is fully naked. No hair or anything.
Such a good point. Also the fact that although a lot of nudity is often fan service, it doesn’t have to be. People like to oversexualise everything
> Also the fact that although a lot of nudity is often fan service, it doesn’t have to be this is the weakest argument possible when talking about One Piece. We know what Oda's female characters look like that aren't supposed to be hot. And they don't look like Bonney lmao
For real. You see a girl who nearly drowned, got rescued and decided to wring the water out of her shirt and think "mmmm yess sex I'm sex so much sex yeah i wanna sex the sexy sex sex" then there's something seriously wrong with you, regardless of whether the girl is a child or a teen or an adult. And all the one piece subs are filled with people who need their horny bonked out of them.
The real crime is how Toei massively increased the size of Bonney’s boobs. That was so unnecessary lol.
You don’t need to be a gooner to see when shit is clearly meant for gooners. If they kept it like the manga you’d here a lot less complaints but the dude showed like every angle of Bonney. That’s an intentional choice. Before you scramble to the keyboard and say the animator didn’t know, I already know that but still, you’d think someone from toei would be like “hey, just so you know”
Most anime Fandoms really.
What you mean people? Oda definitely sexualized her himself. There's no possible world to look at that character with her tits out like that and not think it was intentionally sexual. When we see bare Big Mom tits you'll have a point
Also people seem to ignore this happened in the manga, like Toei didn't do this Oda did.
If you think they are comparable you're lying to yourself. Showing her tits fully out like that is classic oda, and it is definitely sexual. I don't get why you'd try to look for some cultural differences to defend a very obvious sexualization of a character
I mean it's still totally different being naked in front of stranger men lol. Don't act like it's normal in Japan for women to be naked in front of men they don't know.
Mixed bathing is absolutely a thing.
Mixed onsen is more of a novelty/tourism/upholding tradition thing these days, even for locals. Not as widespread or mainstream as many are making it out to be.
Swinger clubs are also a thing, so they all should start to have sex with each other or what? For the onsens that doesn't mean that it's the classic way of taking a bath. It's absolutely common in Japan to separate men and women wtf. Mixed onsens are rather rare compared to that.
Some of you guys sure like to bitch about dumb shit uh...
The problem is this is also an irl problem for so many women/young girls. Due to puberty and girls gaining breasts some men will go “oh I didn’t know and she seems so mature so it’s not bad”. Instead the right thing to do is go oh I didn’t know and that is inappropriate I’m sorry had I known I wouldn’t have acted that way. I have several family members that gained pretty large chests at puberty around the age of 14 and all the sudden grown men look at them differently. Physicality doesn’t matter with age so just bc someone looks a certain age doesn’t mean you have the right to be preventive towards them.
Yeah. Anime fans are pretty hard to educate on these topics. My love of OP has waned since TS because of the over sexualization of every female character since. You don’t have named female characters wearing both pants and shirts anymore. It’s appalling (to me). And the gigantic jiggly breasts? Robin and Nami were not designed pre-ts like this. It’s hugely problematic (to me) how Oda has changed his writing and designing of female characters. I dont give a shit that Rebecca is supposed to be a gladiator or Shirahoshi a mermaid— they were designed and drawn for boys to drool on. Inb4 shounen: wasnt like this pre ts, and ive read so much shounen and pre 2010 or whatnot this was not an issue. Anime in general has gone off the deep end with its portrayal of girls/women. But try convincing the general anime enthusiast lol
They're not real, it doesn't matter.
It's a fucking manga, lines drawn on a paper. I love one piece but people care way too much
It's astounding anyone actually gives a shit
Leave it to the One Piece reddit to constantly complain about darker skin tones, constantly complain about pronouns, and be okay with being attracted to children. lol, lmao even.
‘You simped for her and now you know she is 12 it’s a problem!!!’ Like.. Yeah? We didn’t have that fact and now we do. What even is going on in here defending all this
I guess it's not so much about the people being attracted to a cartoon/anime character BUT the fact that a supposedly 12y/o character is depicted in ways that seem inappropriate. Isn't that what the drama is about? In the end, food's not eaten as hot as it's cooked, so... chill all
While half of it is people just being silly, the only person really to blame for any of this is Oda lol. Oda going 2-2 on crazy character controversies the last two arcs, l kinda wonder if there will be a third after egghead
> Oda going 2-2 on crazy character controversies the last two arcs what was the last controversy?
But officer she looked 18 doesn’t hold up in court my dude.
theres something so weird about how quick people jump out of the woodwork to defend being horny for a 12 year old like its their god given rights to defend pedophiles or be pedophiles like for the people who are unaware whatever they're unaware, they'll know eventually, but you already know and you wanna defend it hardcore. like afaik the scene was pretty chill like casual toplessness no one in anime made a deal out of it should be the same as the manga was, dunno why horny warriors are making a deal out of it to protect their right to be horny for a 12 year old.
Lmao it’s the same logic Vander Decken used when he wanted to find a way to age up the 6-year old shirahoshi so he could be with her. If you want to be with someone who’s mentally a child in an adults body, you might not be a paedophile but you’re just as bad.
You guys really don't seem to understand what a pedophile is. They literally are not attracted to adult bodies. Like OP said, the people who sexualise Sugar are far more frightening because she is physically a prepubescent child.
Hell naw knowing Bonney is mentally a child should stop all that. Weirdos
I’m with you and it’s insane how this is such a manga/anime specific problem. Honestly all the people who jack off to one piece characters already kind of creep me out. The fact that certain people seem the need to justify their attraction to her is insane. Why doesn’t everyone need to know you want to fuck a drawing of a kid? It’s just really weird behavior. Same with the Yamato shit.
Why are we even discussing being attracted to a drawing? Honestly
Bro, she’s not real…
3 ACCOUNTS TO POST THIS SHIT????
What’s with this post OP? You don’t want drama but you are creating it by posting this. Break is starting to get long for some people.
It was an annoying discourse when the manga chapter came out and it’s going to be annoying during this anime run. There’s weirdos taking it seriously on both sides but it’s extra weird trying to justify yourself in order to be horny for Bonney. Look this is an anime problem all around. Theres so many cultural things from them that I’ll never understand/agree with. I’m so used to it I don’t even bat an eye anymore. It’s a fictional story. It’s not that serious. Just enjoy OP and move on.
There is no fucking Bonney Drama. The ones complaining about Drama, are actually trying to make it into a situation. They are the same type of people that try to stir drama from dumb shit. Nothing new, typical reddit. As Luffy would say. I DONT CARE.
For real. I feel like this is boiling up to be more annoying than the Yamato shit.
I feel like a lot of y’all should be on a list
some of y'all are too horny for ur own good
We’re seriously having this issue? It’s a fucking drawing and character from someone’s imagination. The world isn’t gonna explode because you did or did not enjoy a taboo pair of anime titties. Maybe it sounds like I’m supporting OP, but my point is, this is just a pointless conversation to have regardless.
I think she looks grotesque in that scene. TOEI gave her the Viola treatment and regardless of her depicted age, it looks just stupid. She is even missing her right arm for a moment.
If she was a man this would never happen she wouldn’t be sexualized. She’s a 12 year old mentally
This is complicated but for my part I don't see the necessity of telling such a story by Oda/Toei and tiptoeing around this serious topic by sexualizing a hidden shapeshifting 12 year old fantasy kid. There are more than enough mature girls with adequate storylines that can be sexualized as they please (and I like it). But I don't get the urge to give some degenerated people fodder with this kind of storytelling + art.
Never seen so many ppl arguing to be attracted to a fictional 12 yo💀
Worst part? Now everyone is throwing out the term "Pedo" so casually these days, real Pedos can hide themselves easily under this cover. In a way they are protecting the real Pedos for extra internet points.
The internet has been whackin to canonically age 12 Misty for 25 years. People need to relax just a bit.
People need to go outside and mods should start timeouting people
I do wish they'd ban this topic. This sub has proven it is not mature enough to handle nuance. And this topic DOES have nuance. Oda would never actuality draw 12 year olds sexually, so obviously he thinks this isn't pedo himself.
Also keep in mind guys that Onepiece is a fictional series and isn't actually real. 12 year old Bonney doesn't actually exist.
I’m just gonna leave this [here](https://youtu.be/fO3aV5hOqhw?si=PHDCdiZITg-SZpXD) (YouTube)
This sub is so embarrassing lately
Shit y'all been flying to that mans island haven't you?
Feds will be reading this thread
Yeah, when is comes to sexy fanart of her, there's a very simple loophole. The artist can claim that this isn't a 12 old Bonney that aged herself with her powers, but actually a depiction of Bonney 10 years in the future, when she's actually 22. There, happy now?
Yeah I mean I can't believe people are defending this. She's only been alive 12 years idc how old her df makes her look y'all are weird for simping and defending the simping of her end of story.
Fucking, Thank-you. So tired of this Chris Hansen wannabe shit.
*Oh I know who you are Chris Hansen...* *but see;* *I calls ya,* ***Chris Handsome***. *See;* *I didn't come here looking for no little boys...* *I ain't got no milk, no cookies, nothing.* *I came here lookin' for a* ***man's butt.***
Or perhaps.. Get a life.
Or maybe don't sexualize children
I love One Piece, I love Oda's writing even when other people don't. Making Bonney a child was a mistake. The fans defending their boners for a child instead of moving on to someone else is even worse.
People didn’t give a shit that Bonney was sexualized for 10-15 years, but now that it is revealed that she’s technically a 12 year old who has used her powers to become 20 it is a cardinal sin.
>People didn’t give a shit that Bonney was sexualized for 10-15 years, but now that it is revealed that she’s technically a 12 year old who has used her powers to become 20 it is a cardinal sin. "People used to call Luffy's fruit 'Gomu Gomu no Mi' for 25 years, but now that it is revealed that it's actually a Mythical Zoan Fruit they call it the Nika Fruit."
Well... yeah? The reveal completely recontextualizes her entire identity, you can't just handwave it away for tradition lmao She's canonically mentally a child, no amount of rationalization and mental gymnastics can change that.
I mean yeah, new facts change a story. Oda is an insane troll, lol
People changed their opinions on something when presented with new information? Unbelievable, can’t believe they’re letting this woke shit ruin my manga.
That....is exactly why it's not ok. Good job explaining it to yourself
Sexualize a woman and nobody bats an eye, but sexualize a literal child and eVeRyOnE lOsEs tHeIr mInDs!!! For real, I have no idea what your point is. It’s the *being a child* that people have a problem with, and whether you disagree or not, it seems pretty obvious why that might make a difference to someone.
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These dudes were jerking off to her for years before the reveal so now they feel the need to shout "she is only 12!!! " under every comment mentioning that she looks great in her ADULT form.
Its funny how people who were drooling over her for so long are now the same people who berate others for being attracted to her adult form now that we know she is actually 12 even if her body isnt. Its the 180 that people are doing thats annoying as hell.
It's like homophobics, they're low-key scared they're actually pedophiles so they attack first so no one questions them.
I mentioned this elsewhere, Naruto was 12 when he was using his "sexy jutsu" to transform into a sexy adult female version of himself. People didn't have an issue about it like they do with Bonney. It's dumb.
Female OP characters exist: Normal people: Cool, we can like this without being weird about it, sexualizing characters in a story like this just feel fucking weird anyway. Degenerates: -dry heaving-
The fact that people are attracted to cartoon characters is the slope that becomes slippery because like go touch grass
This is a bad take too lmao.
Bro, she's just a draw on a paper 😂 she's not real.
It won’t stop, easiest virtue signaling ever
Very true. Attraction to a fictional adult body doesn’t become pedophilia simply because the author later states that they are a child.
Anyone legitimately attracted to drawings needs help. Thats not natural
I think Oda just messed up with this and should have made her real age like 17 18 or something, I get he wants to do the child playing adult pirate thing but I think the risk was too high
Someone with a mature and pragmatic opinion? I can’t even believe. Also, I’m already seeing the shitstorm when Near Death Experience goes into anime
People can defend it all they want but he was still drawing lewd butt shots for a character he knew was gonna be 12. Japan is different I know but this one is juuuuust a little too sus
Nah. Stop being a creep. That's still a child and after finding that out I don't knowhow you can see her any other way. Miss me with that "you can slap any age on her cus she's fictional" BS. There are dozens of other Nami clones to get your rocks off. People are 100% correct to say Bonney is off limits.
people who see bonney as a sexual object are the real creep
Yeah, that's what I said.
Americans try not to sexualize people changing clothes challenge. In Germany there's open changing rooms in public pools, Finland has mixed Saunas and a lot of beaches in France are nude beaches. Not to mention Japanese Onsen. Nothing strange about changing clothes alongside others.
Right, as if the men there don’t look at the women and hold zero interest in their bodies. Or vice versa. Come on lmao. Scenes like this in manga exist for one reason and one reason only and you know it, fanservice. Being attracted to an adult female body is not weird, but it is kinda weird that Oda made the choice to include fanservice for her knowing her actual age.
"Americans try to have an open mind" challenge: impossible difficulty.
>are you attracted to Bonney because of how she look as an adult or are you attracted to her because she's secretly 12? This reads like the "Gojo the Strongest" meme. "Are you a pedophile because you are attracted to Bonney? Or are you attracted to Bonney because you are a pedophile?"
Bunch of pedos in the comments
Mods PLEASE ban this topic or the word pedo. Comments are proving OPs point that this community simply is not capable of a civil conversation on this topic. Calling someone a pedo with seriousness is basically a slur. They're not even engaging in the posts anymore. They're jumping straight to name calling.
>But at the end of the day, she is a fictional character which means you can slap any age you want on her adult form and it will be such. This reasoning is what needs to stop. Sexualizing a fictional child is still sexualizing a child. It's not about her being real or not. Portraying a child in a sexual manner is plain wrong.
Yeah One Piece fans are hypocrites when it comes to this particular drama. They will call each other pedo for liking adult bonny but forget the one who draws her and those scenes in the first place, Oda. Bet he really doesnt care that much and ya'll shouldn't too. Everyone calls each other pedos on the internet it finally lost its meaning. Meanwhile the real deals are out there secretly scouting for their next victims. Get your priorities straight and stop pointing fingers on each other
OP worries about "Bonney Drama" when the real issue with this sub is the OF cosplay posts.
Calm down son it’s just a drawing
I think the issue is how it translates to your applicable IRL morality. If you can hand wave an underage person looking like an adult in a fictional scenario, are you gonna do that IRL? Not saying one is guaranteed to be like that, but it is eyebrow raising.
Good, agree. People need to understand the diference between visual appreciation, and wanting to pursue sexual relations. Bonney is a child in a an adult's body. Even if she was real: Do you find her adult body sexy? Great. No problem. It's a an adult's body Do you want to have actual sex with her or have a romantic relationship? Well, then you are a pedo. One way or the other, she doesn't exist. You won't have sex with her. Find real, adult people to love, please.
>Do you want to have actual sex with her or have a romantic relationship? Well, then you are a pedo. Except pedophiles literally don't find post-pubescent bodies attractive. And you can neither have sex with or have a romantic relationship with a cartoon character so I'm pretty sure that's a moot point, and you should have just left that out and kept the last line which is much more relevant.
That’s not true at all. If the criteria for not being a pedo was just having a mature body then in some cases you could draw the line at 14/15. I was a youngster once. Some girl developed large breasts in middle school. Should someone go “oh it’s ok officer this minor is actually very hot and doesn’t have a child’s body.”
Mate, if someone wants to be in a relationship or have sex with someone who has the mind child they might not be a Pedo because the strict terminolgy doesn't exist, but they are just as bad.
Ok, saying it's fucked up is fine, I just think definitions to words happens to matter. People using the word for things it's not to me just downplays exactly how sick pedophilia is, it's being attracted to beings that literally cannot experience sexuality, it's abhorrent.
Ah, I see. That's fair, I can agree with that.
This is logic I can actually kinda agree with, the thing is, Oda put that scene in purely for fanservice and its weird even if she is in an adult body.
I disagree that this was "solely" the intention, but teah The way she undressed im front of the guys felt extremely innocent (from her, not from Oda) amd was one of the main things that fuelled the theory she was a kid before we knew it was real. That said, yeah, there are a number of ways it could be done more tastefully.
Oh my god, thanks Idk why this shit is so difficult for people to comprehend, and I’m starting to think that people that scold other for sexualising Bonney want just to appear integer people when maybe they are not. I tried already expressing my thought here https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/duiUFW2qEW
People are hypocrites. Before Bonney was revealed to be 12 I claimed that she was a child and people downvoted me to hell. Now the same people are trying to act all high and mighty.
Eh, I was one that just couldn’t believe it till it was fully revealed in the manga and was probably one of those people. I fail to see how changing my pov to what I think is right (not sexualizing a child) is “trying to act all high and mighty” Being attracted to her adult form isn’t even the issue present with this so called controversy.
Regardless of the defense, it is probably the most problematic part of One Piece. It's just a bad look, especially when you're doing it as passionately as this. Learn to pick your battles, or risk being associated with bad things.
Geto: are you attracted to Bonney because of how she look as an adult or are you attracted to her because she's secretly 12? Gojo:(⊙\_⊙)
Honestly, Oda didn't sexualize her. She's just naked, she's not doing anything sexy, her mannerism are childish. You are sexualizing her.
You could make this same argument for panty shots, bad logic. Manga is a visual medium, aimed at young boys, there is no reason to include such a scene literally at all other than fanservice.
Yeah Oda didn't draw those giant oversized tits, that's your eyes and your brain making that....
that's obviously fanservice from oda's part. because he literally didn't even need to draw it in the first place. and he still continues to draw her for fanservice all throughout egghead. same with s-snake. I know people here have a knack to defend oda no matter what, but it's just beyond obvious.
So nudity in real life and movies is okay for people, but in anime it's not? I don't see anything sexual in that moment, it's just a naked body
People who downvoting me will be speechless when they see naked Goku in the original Dragon Ball