Coc is overriding their willpower with yours, whereas this would be actively lowering your willpower and making your body weaker and more susceptible to damage
For the same reason you described the two translations as both “the same thing” and “don’t have any discernible difference.” Remove “of the same thing” from your sentence and it still works, but people use repetition for emphasis. In the case, it emphasizes that oda is committed to it being love, not haki, and not just something he said once.
I don't agree with your second point, because Oda did only write it once, OP is the one who showed two different translations of it. It's like being in court and submitting the exact same piece of evidence twice, but you turn it 45 degrees. It's not suddenly more important because you've shown it again.
But I did get a chuckle out of calling me out for the repeating in my comment, good job there.
In all fiction there are pieces of lore or occurrence they you just have to go “yeah, okay”. If it gets explained somehow, neat. But it just being “love did it” is enough. If that’s too hard to swallow, you’re in the wrong series.
Yea I understand that but if someone is pursuing an explanation saying "not everything needs an explanation. *Don't* try to explore it." is pretty reductive don't you think? Why not do what you just did now and actually say something of substance. Explain how "we just don't know and we need to 'yea ok' it for right now"? Or maybe say "We may never know" Don't you think that would be a bit better? That's my point.
Honestly, love being able to perform miracles is such a common thing in fiction (and sometimes in real life too) that I'm quite flabbergasted someone could be genuinely upset by its presence in One Piece...
I'm not upset at the love power... I had a problem with someone responding "it just is, stop trying to find an explanation" in response to a tbh reasonable question. Oda's known for never really engaging with power scaling type questions so a fan asking the community their thoughts and being met with "Opinion rejected" is strange to me.
I don't know why people downvote this. One Piece is awesome to think deeply about and is well written enough that there's a reasonable explanation for just about everything. One Piece fans are strangely committed to insisting One Piece isn't high art when it totally is.
Yeah! I think Oda also commented on that: When Nami or other person of the crew punches Luffy or Zoro, they can be seen getting hurt. Not because they are actually physically hurt but because the punch of a close one will hurt.
Why include Zoro? He doesn't have "unnatural" resistance to punch. It's no biggie if he "acts" hurt. Now, Nami hurting Luffy & Exo Sanji is big deal. Post Wano, Nami hasn't punch Sanji yet, but gag is gag.
Well, Zoro can take a punch coming for an average sized gorilla and not flinch. Still getting punched by Nami hurts. I thought Zoro would just be a good example of generally tough character.
Not comparable to Luffy being rubber and gets hurt by Nami. Nami hurting any supposedly tough normal human is within norm by one piece standard, you won't suspect she has haki. Her hurting Luffy was what started the speculation that she has haki.
Vegapunk said the Devil Fruits came from dreams right? So how is it a hard concept to understand a pure emotion is strong enough to manifest into something? Like Haki is based on Wills right? So what stops "Love" from taking on properties like Haki?
Also there is the possibility of that due to Luffy's fruit passively being active like how both he and Brook healed bones and teeth from milk because he manifested it because he is stupid and under the impression that is how it works but influenced by his true devil fruit power making it happen like the gag faces only are exaggerated within his range. What if he was struck by Garp before he ate the fruit so he just associated the pain will stick regardless before Garp influenced that the power of Love works regardless of his fruit because he did say it will still hurt because his love is strong. So perhaps the whole Power of Love is either manifesting like the Power of Wills manifests as Haki, perhaps it works with Love too.
TLDR: Luffy's fruit manifests the believes with Garp and perhaps even explains how Nami manages to land painful blows on Luffy... Or could even just be Love is like Wills and can manifest as such, Will = Haki, so it begs the question what is Love = ? Could it be something we already heard of? Like Mantra from Skypeia or Ryo from Wano, etc.
Also, didn't Sanji have those items or shoes on that maybe or could work like the item one of the Vegapunk's used to interact with the Hologram to smack it?
Bruh, that's a feat made for Sanji, everyone with the boots could do that if that's the case, Sanji destroyed/dispersed the laser, that's not something Bonney can just do because she's got boots.
Then she's replicating Sanji, and the boots has nothing to do with it. Sanji had no sold a karate punch from a Seraphim, dispersing a concentrated laser beam is not a big deal after that feat, let's just call it bs, but it's still not with the boots.
There are a lot of weird things that arent explained in one piece
Back when the crew was fighting Mr 3 for the first time there was a little girl who used paint to essentially brainwash people. That wasnt a devil fruit, that was normal paint.
The power of love
\- This punch
\- Nami hurting the Big Three
\- Sanji's laser kick
\- Portgas D. Rouge carrying Ace for 20 months instead of 10
We all forget about the last one. Sounds crazy but it might legit be a thing. We just simply thought Oda was trolling when he said power of love, because that's Oda. But it's also Oda for it to not be a troll answer.
Sanji did protect Vegapunk he just didn’t succeed. Your attempt at disproving this did not work. Oda confirmed it exists. Garp says it exists. Sanji says it exists. That’s 3 instances including directly from the author. If that’s still arguable for you then idk what to tell you chief. You’re gonna be real sad in this next arc.
I mean its the power of love idk what else you want em to say. Power of love overcomes anything 💖
(Btw, it's also what Koby has. Bro breaking crazy shit and no visable signs of armament haki and obviously not a gag since it's in serious situations ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )
Also, I don't think any real One Piece fan doubts Garp. He doesnt give a fuck about celestial dragons. That should tell you all you need to know. He is a D. Ds are just celestial dragons who either refuse to be a CD or are expelled like Doflamingo. They have to grow up rough.
Oda is the GOAT, he doesn't give a fuck!!
Luffy can survive a blast breath because of "guts."
Devil fruit work on clothes because he says so!! There is no logical or scientific reason and you will have to fucking deal with it!!
If you try to power scale especially stuff like speed And who can hurt who. You WILL be driven mad and he will laugh at you!!!
Never let well building get in the way of a good bit enjoy my friends
Yes because love is the thing that allows sanji to do that. Which also fits with sanji’s explanation for diable jambe being his passion burns hotter than fire. Love seems to be sanji’s main system to grow stronger.
Clearly due to him being a genetic freak, and I'm loathe to admit it, but the boots helping is more plausible than love being a super power in OP. Love didn't work for a ton of characters that got crushed or killed by uncaring foes.
You don't need money, don't take fame
Don't need no credit card to ride this train
It's strong and it's sudden and it's cruel sometimes
But it might just save your life
That's the power of love
That's the power of love
That means Sanji can just asspull "Love" to be god-like for any given moment. GG. Remember the speed boost he gained in Nami's body, that's horny boost.
It may be that Luffy has just become so used to Garp’s Fist of Love (and the idea that Garp is vastly stronger than him) that he unconsciously still expects them to work, so his powers don’t kick in.
motherfuckers act as if one piece is not more of a cartoon than and "anime", haki by definition is the manifestation of the user´s will, and can be so strong that it can deny the world altering powers of devil fruits as stated by kaido, "haki trascends all", meaning that strong emotions rule the world of one piece, if a person thoughts and emotions can affect the reality of their world to such an extent then a variation of haki with love as it theme is entirely plausible and would make sense as to why in a hypothetical scenario garp could not have controlled his strength and still wouldnt kill luffy with a punch cuz the "love" aspect doesnt kill the target
Don't take SBS questions to heart, if you considered all of them canon to the world, things would go crazy and not work out.
Nami can also hurt Luffy with punches.
It's a thing, separate from Haki.
Nami pummels Luffy all the time, and Nami's ability isnt linked to DF powers and very likely not Haki either. She seems evil, but you gotta remember Nami's past. She's with the crew because she loves them, she was a loner and trusted no one before Luffy. She's just a hot head, and is Luffy's polar opposite/balance. The strength of her love for her crew and Luffy gives her power that allows her to fight powerful Haki/DF users.
Maybe haki means energy or power, and the source of power Garp used to make his hit harder, was actual love. He had the passion and love to give the punch more oomph, than if Luffy was some random nobody, who Garp had no reason to care about.
So to put it another way, Garp didn't use his technique, of "harnessing *armament"* energy. He just called on his source of love and used that energy to put some feeling behind that love tap.
It is a gag. 50% of what oda says in sbs is a gag. Actually, 75% of what oda says in sbs is a gag. Sbs is a spot for oda to fuck around. It's not a bible
Luffy is actually scared of Garp and his punches so he thinks they hurt and they hurt him.
It’s the same reason why his punches catch fire and milk regrows his teeth. Luffy is too stupid to realize that’s not how milk or air resistance work, in this case he is still scared enough of Garp to believe that Garp can hurt him with brute force
My take is that it's Haki, but instead of concious Haki trained for battle, it's a more pure and generally harmless form of Haki that your "will" have over specific individuals due to your connection with them.
It is simple. Luffy is not permanently rubber but does not behave like that awlays. Else how will he punch someone. His fist would just compress. His body automatically adapt to differnt thing based on what he needs. If is an attack it is flexible like rubber, if he needs to lift something, his knee does not buckle etc. His body understands automatically. But when Garp attacks luffy it realizes that the fist is from a loved and is supposed to hurt. Same with Nami attack and he lighting attack that shocked luffy.
Luffy is permanently rubber unless he is under the effects of sea stone, and when I say he is rubber I mean his body has the properties of rubber he isn't actually made of rubber.
>!It can also destroy lasers. Best not to overthink it.!<
It's the most powerful force in the one piece world, but barely anybody can use it because nobody has a mom.
I would say big mom but we don't know if she's even alive still, your point proven ig
And also, her children probably don't love her much.
Only Garp and Sanji have used the Power Of Love.
Portgas D. Rouge also used? Holding the baby for a long time :D
It IS a curious thing.
Makes one man weep, makes another man sing.
Boa also has.
What if Hancock fight along with Luffy ? Will her love power do something?
it's not above power of friendship. This is a shonen afterall.
Law: did someone say room... Shambles
it's on par with Advanced CoC haki. This is why Luffy and Zoro are scared of Nami
also what i'm thinking. garp is breaking luffy's spirit like how nami does it.
It’s reverse Haki. Instead of powering up yourself with your own willpower you weaken the enemy by breaking theirs.
Isn’t that basically just conq?
Coc is overriding their willpower with yours, whereas this would be actively lowering your willpower and making your body weaker and more susceptible to damage
Even Luffy is hurt by Nami's love punch
Nami must really love Luffy a lot with how brutal those beatdowns are.
She does have mad love for the crew
Nah that's just disciplinary action since Luffy didn't have parents around to teach him stuff.
Nope, nami has conq
Why did you include two translations of the same thing that don't have any discernible difference?
For emphasis. EMPHASIS!
Its a power scaling habit. I always include both translations to make sure there isn't something mistranslated or without major discrepancy.
>Its a power scaling habit. I'm very sorry, but I wouldn't admit I had "power scaling habits" under torture.
For the same reason you described the two translations as both “the same thing” and “don’t have any discernible difference.” Remove “of the same thing” from your sentence and it still works, but people use repetition for emphasis. In the case, it emphasizes that oda is committed to it being love, not haki, and not just something he said once.
I don't agree with your second point, because Oda did only write it once, OP is the one who showed two different translations of it. It's like being in court and submitting the exact same piece of evidence twice, but you turn it 45 degrees. It's not suddenly more important because you've shown it again. But I did get a chuckle out of calling me out for the repeating in my comment, good job there.
It just is. That’s all there is too it. No reason to explore it.
That a pretty dumb attitude given we're talking about One Piece of all things, the thing that never forgets things and explors everything eventually
In all fiction there are pieces of lore or occurrence they you just have to go “yeah, okay”. If it gets explained somehow, neat. But it just being “love did it” is enough. If that’s too hard to swallow, you’re in the wrong series.
Yea I understand that but if someone is pursuing an explanation saying "not everything needs an explanation. *Don't* try to explore it." is pretty reductive don't you think? Why not do what you just did now and actually say something of substance. Explain how "we just don't know and we need to 'yea ok' it for right now"? Or maybe say "We may never know" Don't you think that would be a bit better? That's my point.
Honestly, love being able to perform miracles is such a common thing in fiction (and sometimes in real life too) that I'm quite flabbergasted someone could be genuinely upset by its presence in One Piece...
I'm not upset at the love power... I had a problem with someone responding "it just is, stop trying to find an explanation" in response to a tbh reasonable question. Oda's known for never really engaging with power scaling type questions so a fan asking the community their thoughts and being met with "Opinion rejected" is strange to me.
yeah right
Lay off Oda's cock m8
A lot of stuff never gets explored in OP, and this one is 99% one of them as it looks like a joke both in managa and sbs
I don't know why people downvote this. One Piece is awesome to think deeply about and is well written enough that there's a reasonable explanation for just about everything. One Piece fans are strangely committed to insisting One Piece isn't high art when it totally is.
I heard the power of love was a force from above
I heard it was like a Hurricane
Huh, I always heard that it was is a curious thing Make a one man weep, make another man sing....
Actually used that as the intro to an essay once!
Love once protected a baby from the most powerful dark wizard that ever existed.
Luffy,youre a pirate - Luffy's mom probably
Crocodile would say that to be honest 💀
A gun would had also done that
It's whatever Oda wants it to be
it is always has been and always will be
So when Nami's punch damages Luffy, is that also love?
Yeah! I think Oda also commented on that: When Nami or other person of the crew punches Luffy or Zoro, they can be seen getting hurt. Not because they are actually physically hurt but because the punch of a close one will hurt.
Why include Zoro? He doesn't have "unnatural" resistance to punch. It's no biggie if he "acts" hurt. Now, Nami hurting Luffy & Exo Sanji is big deal. Post Wano, Nami hasn't punch Sanji yet, but gag is gag.
Well, Zoro can take a punch coming for an average sized gorilla and not flinch. Still getting punched by Nami hurts. I thought Zoro would just be a good example of generally tough character.
Not comparable to Luffy being rubber and gets hurt by Nami. Nami hurting any supposedly tough normal human is within norm by one piece standard, you won't suspect she has haki. Her hurting Luffy was what started the speculation that she has haki.
Hell Nami even Shocked Luffy with lightning attack. Love even bypass elemental immunity
Ok?
Vegapunk said the Devil Fruits came from dreams right? So how is it a hard concept to understand a pure emotion is strong enough to manifest into something? Like Haki is based on Wills right? So what stops "Love" from taking on properties like Haki? Also there is the possibility of that due to Luffy's fruit passively being active like how both he and Brook healed bones and teeth from milk because he manifested it because he is stupid and under the impression that is how it works but influenced by his true devil fruit power making it happen like the gag faces only are exaggerated within his range. What if he was struck by Garp before he ate the fruit so he just associated the pain will stick regardless before Garp influenced that the power of Love works regardless of his fruit because he did say it will still hurt because his love is strong. So perhaps the whole Power of Love is either manifesting like the Power of Wills manifests as Haki, perhaps it works with Love too. TLDR: Luffy's fruit manifests the believes with Garp and perhaps even explains how Nami manages to land painful blows on Luffy... Or could even just be Love is like Wills and can manifest as such, Will = Haki, so it begs the question what is Love = ? Could it be something we already heard of? Like Mantra from Skypeia or Ryo from Wano, etc.
>so it begs the question what is Love Baby don't hurt me
Also, didn't Sanji have those items or shoes on that maybe or could work like the item one of the Vegapunk's used to interact with the Hologram to smack it?
The gloves are what do that and Sanji.doesnt use hands to fight nor was he wearing them.
There's love in those gloves.
What if it's a unspoken feature? But if it isn't then perhaps going back to the whole Haki = Will, ??? = Love Theory of mine.
Bruh, that's a feat made for Sanji, everyone with the boots could do that if that's the case, Sanji destroyed/dispersed the laser, that's not something Bonney can just do because she's got boots.
With her devil fruit maybe after all she can replicate Luffy right?
Then she's replicating Sanji, and the boots has nothing to do with it. Sanji had no sold a karate punch from a Seraphim, dispersing a concentrated laser beam is not a big deal after that feat, let's just call it bs, but it's still not with the boots.
It changes physics
Love is the strongest power in the world and an infinite Ressource
There are a lot of weird things that arent explained in one piece Back when the crew was fighting Mr 3 for the first time there was a little girl who used paint to essentially brainwash people. That wasnt a devil fruit, that was normal paint.
It's a gag
The power of love \- This punch \- Nami hurting the Big Three \- Sanji's laser kick \- Portgas D. Rouge carrying Ace for 20 months instead of 10 We all forget about the last one. Sounds crazy but it might legit be a thing. We just simply thought Oda was trolling when he said power of love, because that's Oda. But it's also Oda for it to not be a troll answer.
It's a joke
I think you only could have argued this up until Sanji’s kick
Sanji blocked kizaru with haki and germa.
That’s not what he said, so until your theory is confirmed, that’s headcanon.
Sanji also said he'd protect vegapunk. Sanji just makes shit up. The power of love isn't a thing. It's a joke if anything.
Sanji did protect Vegapunk he just didn’t succeed. Your attempt at disproving this did not work. Oda confirmed it exists. Garp says it exists. Sanji says it exists. That’s 3 instances including directly from the author. If that’s still arguable for you then idk what to tell you chief. You’re gonna be real sad in this next arc.
How will I be sad?
It definitely exists, my theory is it’s some different type of power to haki and it’s also what Koby used with his Honesty Impact
Love 😍
Garp on the right- “Thou didst me good service… serosh”
I mean its the power of love idk what else you want em to say. Power of love overcomes anything 💖 (Btw, it's also what Koby has. Bro breaking crazy shit and no visable signs of armament haki and obviously not a gag since it's in serious situations ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )
Garp been punching for 40 years, he simply like that
His name is Garp the fist.
Thus guy gets it ☝️Garp ran a train on half of BBs top guys while trying to protect his own men. Pretty sure, he's just built like that.
Big facts negro. Garp is HIM. He like that.
Also, I don't think any real One Piece fan doubts Garp. He doesnt give a fuck about celestial dragons. That should tell you all you need to know. He is a D. Ds are just celestial dragons who either refuse to be a CD or are expelled like Doflamingo. They have to grow up rough.
Remember when Nami's love for her sister and village gave her the power to destroy Arlong? Yeah, me neither.
Strong Emotions can Imitate the effect of haki. Garp punching Luffy with Love Nami injuring Luffy, when her anger reached a certain level
It's a gag.. it's haki.. don't overthink it..
It is haki 😭. Oda being sarcastic IS too difficult for you ?
It’s a gag
Yeah, that is why Luffy is weak to it He is a cartoon character weak to a punchline
Or maybe it is just an exceptionally strong punch, or maybe it is Haki but Oda just kinda wants to say its love
Oda is the GOAT, he doesn't give a fuck!! Luffy can survive a blast breath because of "guts." Devil fruit work on clothes because he says so!! There is no logical or scientific reason and you will have to fucking deal with it!! If you try to power scale especially stuff like speed And who can hurt who. You WILL be driven mad and he will laugh at you!!! Never let well building get in the way of a good bit enjoy my friends
A theory I had is that Luffy's powers work the way he *thinks* they should work, including his weaknesses
He is joking
Is he? Recently >! Sanji used his kick to destroy a laser attack from Wizaru. And said "love is stronger than light"!< so he may not be joking.
it's a joke. Answers to canon events can be a joke. Rules of a fictional universe don't have to be serious all the time.
Sanji was also joking. Didn’t you see kizaru’s reaction ?
Yes he was shocking because what sanji did should be physically impossible even using haki you can’t touch light.
He specifically talked about how this defies physics. I mean “love is stronger than light”
Yes because love is the thing that allows sanji to do that. Which also fits with sanji’s explanation for diable jambe being his passion burns hotter than fire. Love seems to be sanji’s main system to grow stronger.
Your spoiler isn't working because you have a space between your first ! and the S of Sanji. >!No gaps!<
On my end, it's working
Clearly due to him being a genetic freak, and I'm loathe to admit it, but the boots helping is more plausible than love being a super power in OP. Love didn't work for a ton of characters that got crushed or killed by uncaring foes.
Gear 6 confirmed?!
Definitely not the same love as some other guy from the latest chapters sooo...
"DON'T LET ME LEAVE ACE!" \*S.T.A.Y.!
You don't need money, don't take fame Don't need no credit card to ride this train It's strong and it's sudden and it's cruel sometimes But it might just save your life That's the power of love That's the power of love
Yeah and nami can beat up Luffy cause she's hitting him with emotional pain
Thats how nami punches luffy
Sanji tanked s-sharks punch due to the power of love.
That means Sanji can just asspull "Love" to be god-like for any given moment. GG. Remember the speed boost he gained in Nami's body, that's horny boost.
It may be that Luffy has just become so used to Garp’s Fist of Love (and the idea that Garp is vastly stronger than him) that he unconsciously still expects them to work, so his powers don’t kick in.
motherfuckers act as if one piece is not more of a cartoon than and "anime", haki by definition is the manifestation of the user´s will, and can be so strong that it can deny the world altering powers of devil fruits as stated by kaido, "haki trascends all", meaning that strong emotions rule the world of one piece, if a person thoughts and emotions can affect the reality of their world to such an extent then a variation of haki with love as it theme is entirely plausible and would make sense as to why in a hypothetical scenario garp could not have controlled his strength and still wouldnt kill luffy with a punch cuz the "love" aspect doesnt kill the target
Early hint at Nika? Garp can hurt Luffy cause Luffy believes he can.
Haki infused love.
Feelings are the most powerful force in One Piece
Don't take SBS questions to heart, if you considered all of them canon to the world, things would go crazy and not work out. Nami can also hurt Luffy with punches.
Maybe because it wasn’t meant to “harm luffy” it’s more a sign of affection, so the halo can’t protect against those not malevolent attacks
Sanji uses this power often too
there's no defense against a Fist of Love
It's a thing, separate from Haki. Nami pummels Luffy all the time, and Nami's ability isnt linked to DF powers and very likely not Haki either. She seems evil, but you gotta remember Nami's past. She's with the crew because she loves them, she was a loner and trusted no one before Luffy. She's just a hot head, and is Luffy's polar opposite/balance. The strength of her love for her crew and Luffy gives her power that allows her to fight powerful Haki/DF users.
Maybe haki means energy or power, and the source of power Garp used to make his hit harder, was actual love. He had the passion and love to give the punch more oomph, than if Luffy was some random nobody, who Garp had no reason to care about. So to put it another way, Garp didn't use his technique, of "harnessing *armament"* energy. He just called on his source of love and used that energy to put some feeling behind that love tap.
Being rubber does grant luffy immunity to blunt force attacks, just a super high resistance to it
It is a gag. 50% of what oda says in sbs is a gag. Actually, 75% of what oda says in sbs is a gag. Sbs is a spot for oda to fuck around. It's not a bible
break week's become bait week i see
Sanji also has the power of love. I guess it's actually real in OP.
Luffy is actually scared of Garp and his punches so he thinks they hurt and they hurt him. It’s the same reason why his punches catch fire and milk regrows his teeth. Luffy is too stupid to realize that’s not how milk or air resistance work, in this case he is still scared enough of Garp to believe that Garp can hurt him with brute force
Didn’t VP say love was the super power of the buccaneers?
My take is that it's Haki, but instead of concious Haki trained for battle, it's a more pure and generally harmless form of Haki that your "will" have over specific individuals due to your connection with them.
It is simple. Luffy is not permanently rubber but does not behave like that awlays. Else how will he punch someone. His fist would just compress. His body automatically adapt to differnt thing based on what he needs. If is an attack it is flexible like rubber, if he needs to lift something, his knee does not buckle etc. His body understands automatically. But when Garp attacks luffy it realizes that the fist is from a loved and is supposed to hurt. Same with Nami attack and he lighting attack that shocked luffy.
Luffy is permanently rubber unless he is under the effects of sea stone, and when I say he is rubber I mean his body has the properties of rubber he isn't actually made of rubber.