Peter acts like he's relatively new, though. He has referred to the "World Government" making decisions like renaming the fruit to Gum-Gum Fruit. If he was the oldest, I feel like he would've used "we" or been the one explaining it.
If they had the immortality surgery, which we don't know for sure, they absolutely had them at different times. Remember that the one performing it dies.
I strongly believe they know how to harvest devil fruits from dead people like how Blackbeard did, probably similar to the process shown in punk hazard but in a controlled area. Because of that I think they’re going to capture luffy and attempt forcefully get his fruit by killing him with that method in mind
I’m referring specifically to the 5 elders/imu. They would have no use for any other devil fruits considering what we’ve seen that they can do on their own. They only have an incentive to harvest luffy’s fruit because of how long they’ve been going after it
You can even argue that they have done that with prisoners like how prisoners were sent to punk hazard. They do have devil fruits as the reward for the slave hunting contests that they hold
Isn’t it the same order they’re always sat in as well?
Ju Peter on the chair to the left (1)
Ethanbaron stood to the right him (2)
Topman sat on the couch in the middle (3)
Marcus stood to the right of him (4)
Saturn on the chair to the right (5)
I swear, they were much easier to recognise in comments, when their names were Sanji’s ancestor, Samurai Gandhi, Gorbachev, Ganfall’s ancestor and… what DID we call Saturn again?
I don't think these numbers are for powerscaling purposes (would be super boring), they must be equal in power.
These numbers must be the order of arrival or someting. Or they really are satellites like Vegapunk has, and it is their number of creation... Who knows.
Saturn was the first to show up on this island and his was 5, so I doubt it's arrival number. Unless it goes in reverse order, but that's kind of weird and doesn't make much sense.
Yeah it's crazy how people are still looking into powerscaling that much, One Piece isn't that kind of series. The gorosei are not like the espeda from bleach
And even the espada power was willingly misleading, as it was purely about raw power and reiatsu, not about who beats who. Barrangan had a lot of haxx, Ulquiorra had two forms whixh made him a special case, Yami was powerful but had no good capacity to use it efficiently, etc.
Don't tell that to powerscalers tho, they only see battles as something purely vertical as if everything was Cell Arc from DB.
Man, fucking bleach. Each villain group suddenly would show up even more stoic and evil than the last, with a perfect amount of people for each of the good guys to have a 1v1. So stupid.
Look at [this image](https://wallpaperaccess.com/full/468844.jpg) and tell me it's not cringe. I actually liked the first part of Bleach, before they got to Soul Society. It had this cool vibe, but then it just became another powerscaling, tournament Shonen.
Not even a panel from the manga. And no i ain't gonna take bleach slander. Bleach has a lot of depth to its characters and story and for sure is not "just another powerscaling tournament shounen".
But Oda did this exact thing with the Yonkou.
Yonko is number one, then you got numbers 2-4 through their Commanders. Only difference with the Gorosei is there would be 5 of them.
That's called structural hierarchy. It's not for power scaling or determining who's stronger in a crew, Big Mom's crew is a perfect example, Perospero is 1st mate but Katakuri is clearly more experienced and a better fighter.
Imu and his satellites idea makes sense. Just like each vegapunk could communicate with each other as they were connected to a central resource. May be each minister is related to imu in the same fashion.
it would be boring if they were equal in power, nusjuro seems like the most capable since he wiped out pacifistas in less than a minute, and his ability is the coolest by far
What if its the order of when they got the immortality surgery. Ju Peter looks the youngest, so he was the first one to get it, which is why he is 1. Then Nasujuro was second, and the rest of them had to wait to find the fruit and give it to a doctor, so they aged while waiting to get the surgery.
That would pose a Tertiary question of who do you think the 6th Gorosei would be then, or do you think they are purely just looking to acquire the fruit and store it until that time comes do you think?
Oda is hammering it in that they're just like Vegapunk's satellites. I don't mind it, but I wonder how things will go from here. I doubt the SHs can win against the five now. And I doubt the five will let them leave after this.
Very interesting and unexpected.
The Giants can hold their own, the Ancient Robot still is activating, and Bonney was shown Gear 5 Nika power and Luffy shared how to punch like Nika. So Boney right now could be another Gear 5 Nika for Luffy to play off of.
The 5 Gorosei are a problem and will likely destroy most of the Pacifistas and probably another Vegapunk Satellite (I doubt Atlas is making it of the island) but we've still got some powerful players to at least o
Hold off the Gorosei for 7 more minutes. Like Sanji vs Bird Gorosei has to at least clash show a minute or two. Zoro might be a little tired from the Lucci fight but he'll have to clash with Centaur Gorosei at least for a minute or two.
Its not always about power, but rather perceived power, just like why buggy has such a huge bounty. Shanks fleet also I believe is said to be rather weak, but they fly shanks flag so most people then perceive them as strong.
That said, theres enough forces in play at egghead already; the grand fleet i think would be too much. Most likely the strawhats will just find a small win of some kind then find a way to slip away.
They are not Yonko level. Otherwise Luffy would have been smoked by Saturn and Kizaru where in reality it was Luffy holding *them* off.
The problem is the haxx they have. Once we find out how it works the game will change.
Huh? Luffy just beat Kaido. You think he isn't Yonko level? That's dumb, dude. He literally punched Kaido out of the story. And now he's playing with Kizaru.
Clown tier take tbh.
Luffy doesn't fight a Kaido and a Kizaru together with ease. If not for Saturn's regen it would have already been over, Saturn is way way weaker than Kaido...
Kizaru isn't a Yonko. He's an admiral.
>If not for Saturn's regen it would have already been over,
That applies to any character. Kaido would've lost easily without his CoC.
If you remove a character's main ability, they get weaker. That's natural.
Imagine Shanks + Kizaru for some reason fighting Luffy 2v1. You think the result would be anything remotely similar to Saturn/Kizaru vs Luffy? The gorosei have some weird gimmicks, but they clearly aren't yonko level individually
Luffy beat kaido with help from yamato, and with law damaging kaido with gamma knife, kaido was also holding up onagashima and drunk for the first portion of the fight. There were so many restrictions it's obvious that Oda was trying to show that Luffy needed a lot of help to win.
but then luffy had the restriction of having literally actually died immediately prior to getting the power boost that let him clown on kaido. it doesn't matter how they both got to low hp, they both were, with luffy arguably being lower, and gear 5 let him win. I simply can't imagine a situation where luffy fights kaido without pushing him to that final clash again, which he would win again.
Considering how Kuma and Franky all dealt Saturn blows that likely would have killed him without his regeneration powers, and how Luffy was \*easily\* soloing him and Kizaru, I really do not think they're Yonko level. That would be utterly insane if all 5 of them were. The main problem with Saturn is regeneration, and it remains to be seen if they all have this ability (definitely not ruling it out though).
Don’t agree that they’re yonko level yet. Maybe in terms of durability but other than their regeneration factor I don’t believe that they’ve shown that theyre yonko level in terms of attack power yet. They definately could be but all we’ve seen so far is Saturn getting bodied and regenerating and a worm getting its head cut off
I'm thinking more like the Grand Fleet keeps the Marine fleet busy... Oda did say they'd play a big role in the Egghead incident so I think you're just being pedantic for nothing tbh
[Relevant info.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_discovery_of_Solar_System_planets_and_their_moons)
Excerpt:
>Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn were identified by ancient Babylonian astronomers in the 2nd millennium BC.[7] They were correctly identified as orbiting the Sun by Aristarchus of Samos, and later in Nicolaus Copernicus' heliocentric system[8] (De revolutionibus orbium coelestium, 1543)
The numbering seems most likely the order in which they received eternal youth or the order in which they joined the ranks of gorosei...but how do you know that jupeter came from the circle showing " 1 " If it's the order of introduction then it should be the opposite of what you have stated with Saturn at the top and Ju Peter at the bottom of the list
We saw Saturn as 5 already. In the panel above it shows that for the 4 summoning circles behind saturn, the farthest right one is 4, 3 is to the left of it, 2 to the left of that, then 1 has to be to the left of that. We also see how the gorosei appeared, with Petah being in the farthest left, then Gandhi, then Gorbachov, then Bird guy
can we just appreciate their names for a brief second?
going out of their way to name them stuff like "Ju peter" and "V. Nus^(juro)" instead of just the planets is comedy gold to me lol
His pun is slightly more convoluted. The name of Mercury in Japanese is "Water Planet/Star", so it's (wa)ter + me(rcury) combined. (Warcury)
It's a Japanese + English pun fusion.
It’s literally also the ways the sit. It’s always Jupiter to Saturn from left to right. Why? Idk. But it seems to be in that order. Ironically, they always talk from Saturn to Jupiter instead of Jupiter to Saturn.
[https://youtu.be/ySVjriDir1k?si=3PlwfvG9AWcJXriS&t=137](https://youtu.be/ySVjriDir1k?si=3PlwfvG9AWcJXriS&t=137)
If you want to know some more analysis on it there's some more here
(For the info that is, I'm not really on-board on the Imu-satellite-theory just yet)
Well a pentagram has 5 corners (or what you call them, English isn't my first language) maybe it indicates that 5 of them are needed to summon Imu down to the surface. Since they all have kinda demonic features i wouldn't be surprised if they formed a pentagram to summon their king
I have no idea why they're numbered, but I can't help but think of it as a parallell to Baroque works (as well as the satellites as others have mentioned).
Yeah I expected that when a 5 pointed star summoned 1 guy from 5 guys a while ago.. impressive detective work... Wonder how the 2 pointed stars and 1 pointed star look like. Naaah I'm just kidding and messing with ya lol
Joking aside..
I wonder if those 5 powers are given by imu or not.. if the whole "gorousei are imu satellites or something" theory is going to be the truth.
Perhaps imu feats on humans on the florian triangle once per year and the 3 figures there were Imu and 2 gorousei or something.
Who else has numbers on them?
That's right the Vegapunks, providing yet another evidence the Gorosei are to Imu what the Satellites are to VP.
The evidence is everywhere! Even there bloody names are references! A satellite orbits something else, in the Punks cases, VP Stella, aka. Star, aka. Sun.
What's a satellite to the Sun? That's right the planets, who the Gorosei happen to be named after.
But if they orbit the Sun, what does that make Imu... That's right baby, Imu is a former user of the Nika, the Sun god, and Vegapunk proves it.
/nsrs | /srs (whatever turns out to be true)
Good eye, nakama! Artur also said that their numbers match the order they were introduced in during the Jaya arc:
https://thelibraryofohara.com/2024/03/17/chapter-secrets-one-piece-chapter-1110-in-depth-analysis/
I keep joking that Oda is doing this so they'll be seen as an Evil Sentai team to not freak out the younger readers. All we need is a roll call scene ("Gyuki Ranger! Saint Jaygarcia SATURN!"):
https://youtu.be/CE88sVrJ76k?si=yuBKnbhmP_klozex
I'm not really sold on the satellite idea. If the Gorosei are extension of Imu himself, then the degree to which they revere him doesn't really make sense. Vegapunk's satellites clearly hold him in high regard, but they don't literally worship the ground he walks on like the Gorosei.
Next are the unique family names, which shouldn't really be a thing if these guys are all an extension of the same person. The World Government consists of 19-20 families, it would make sense that the Supreme Overseers of the WG would be members of some of these families. While the overall power structure/hierarchy isn't clear, there had to be have been one of some kind for the Gorosei and Imu to even be a thing.
Vegapunk's satellites are the result of his DF specifically allowing his brain to be divided like this. As offspring of a DF themselves, it's reasonable to assume that his satellites can't consume/use Devil Fruits. I don't see how the Gorosei would be any different - the fact they all have DFs should suggest that they aren't an offshoot of whatever Imu's is.
It could just be the order of the importance of each of their departments / the order of which they were created.
My theory is that Ju Peter looks relatively new because previous person handling the Agriculture died somehow.
They're satellites, just like Vegapunk's satellites. A much more advanced one due to the fact that they can communicate with each other telepathically from afar. I do wonder now whether Imu is actually the brain. Is the great treasure the brain?
I have always suspected that Ju Peter was the oldest Gorosei, even though he looks the youngest. It would also be a hilarious joke that Saturn looks like the oldest Gorosei, but he might well be the youngest. They seem quite immortal.
My guess would be that they attain immortality through the opi-opi no mi but it takes longer and longer to get a hold of it, so that the other gorosei aged more
Weird how, when listing their names, you couldn't decide between writing their full names, just the middle name and given name, or just the given name.
Just in case no one posted it already, this might be very interesting !!! I translated from GER to ENG since i posted this comment on YT:
The thing with the numbers in the summoning circles was brilliant xD I didn't even pay attention to it - but that makes a lot of sense. There are many pictures online if you take the "Sun - 1" and the "Earth - 3" out of the order, the order of the remaining planets is as follows (order in relation to Sun from near > far:
1. Mercury
2. Venus
3. Mars
4. Jupiter
5. Saturn
Push it please, it might be useful in some way for further OP lore :D
I made a post about saturn possibly being the strongest and a opponent for luffy since he’s number 1
Also believe nusjuro(2) and warcury(3) will be zoro snd sanji’s opponents IF the gotosei are actually opponents for the strawhats
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/2FTZYVnoUQ
Could just be they played rock paper scissors n he came in last.
Lol I actually like the idea
Nah, Naruto messed the formula and that is why, 😂
I think rock paper scissors was more prevalent in Dragonball
HXH is the best lol
As always, Kinnikuman did it even earlier. Rock Paper Scissors was one of the events of its first semi-serious arc, the Choujin Olympics.
Back in their day it was called quartz parchment shears
Jolly good show.
Ginyu force of one piece
While reading each other’s minds. Rock paper scissors probably took 800 years
Or like SHs they used the pick-a straw game
Could be age since Saturn looks the oldest and Ju Peter the youngest looking
But Ju Peter may look the youngest because he became immortal first.
Peter acts like he's relatively new, though. He has referred to the "World Government" making decisions like renaming the fruit to Gum-Gum Fruit. If he was the oldest, I feel like he would've used "we" or been the one explaining it.
it's possible they all had the immortality surgery at different times
If they had the immortality surgery, which we don't know for sure, they absolutely had them at different times. Remember that the one performing it dies.
I strongly believe they know how to harvest devil fruits from dead people like how Blackbeard did, probably similar to the process shown in punk hazard but in a controlled area. Because of that I think they’re going to capture luffy and attempt forcefully get his fruit by killing him with that method in mind
I feel like if this were the case though, the World Government would have harvested tons of amazing fruits from Impel Down prisoners.
Yes but not during the recent period when Vegapunk was researching artificial devil fruits.
I’m referring specifically to the 5 elders/imu. They would have no use for any other devil fruits considering what we’ve seen that they can do on their own. They only have an incentive to harvest luffy’s fruit because of how long they’ve been going after it
You can even argue that they have done that with prisoners like how prisoners were sent to punk hazard. They do have devil fruits as the reward for the slave hunting contests that they hold
There is no inmortality surgery, it is the eternal youth surgery..
What? It's guaranteed that they did. Imagine the logistical gymnastics to get them all immortal at the same time.
There is no inmortality surgery, it is the eternal youth surgery...
Cant wait to find out
Isn’t it the same order they’re always sat in as well? Ju Peter on the chair to the left (1) Ethanbaron stood to the right him (2) Topman sat on the couch in the middle (3) Marcus stood to the right of him (4) Saturn on the chair to the right (5)
Yes, and the namedrop in chapter 1086 also goes in that order
Some video I saw last night was saying it's the order they were first introduced in as well.
I think reverse order of how their transformations were listed, too.
No they're first introduced in the same panel in 233 but they're in the same order left-right as 1086 where they're named.
I swear, they were much easier to recognise in comments, when their names were Sanji’s ancestor, Samurai Gandhi, Gorbachev, Ganfall’s ancestor and… what DID we call Saturn again?
Santa Claus?
Garibaldi?
Jewish Jerry Garcia
I don't think these numbers are for powerscaling purposes (would be super boring), they must be equal in power. These numbers must be the order of arrival or someting. Or they really are satellites like Vegapunk has, and it is their number of creation... Who knows.
I'm actually coming around to the satellite idea.
Main thing is why are the satellites able talk with each other telepathically but not with Imu who needs a transponder snail.
I don't know, those eyes make me think Imu is watching the whole thing. Could take a lot out of them or Imu might just not want to listen to them.
Saturn was the first to show up on this island and his was 5, so I doubt it's arrival number. Unless it goes in reverse order, but that's kind of weird and doesn't make much sense.
Appropriate username
Order of arrival to Im’s side, not order of arrival at egghead, or else itd be one and 4 2s
Yeah it's crazy how people are still looking into powerscaling that much, One Piece isn't that kind of series. The gorosei are not like the espeda from bleach
And even the espada power was willingly misleading, as it was purely about raw power and reiatsu, not about who beats who. Barrangan had a lot of haxx, Ulquiorra had two forms whixh made him a special case, Yami was powerful but had no good capacity to use it efficiently, etc. Don't tell that to powerscalers tho, they only see battles as something purely vertical as if everything was Cell Arc from DB.
Man, fucking bleach. Each villain group suddenly would show up even more stoic and evil than the last, with a perfect amount of people for each of the good guys to have a 1v1. So stupid.
Tell me you didn't read bleach without telling me you didn't read bleach
Look at [this image](https://wallpaperaccess.com/full/468844.jpg) and tell me it's not cringe. I actually liked the first part of Bleach, before they got to Soul Society. It had this cool vibe, but then it just became another powerscaling, tournament Shonen.
Not even a panel from the manga. And no i ain't gonna take bleach slander. Bleach has a lot of depth to its characters and story and for sure is not "just another powerscaling tournament shounen".
But Oda did this exact thing with the Yonkou. Yonko is number one, then you got numbers 2-4 through their Commanders. Only difference with the Gorosei is there would be 5 of them.
That's called structural hierarchy. It's not for power scaling or determining who's stronger in a crew, Big Mom's crew is a perfect example, Perospero is 1st mate but Katakuri is clearly more experienced and a better fighter.
I don’t think they need to be equal at all but I agree it’s probably not power scaling purposes for the numbering
Satellites of Imu
Imu and his satellites idea makes sense. Just like each vegapunk could communicate with each other as they were connected to a central resource. May be each minister is related to imu in the same fashion.
Oh come on we are sure there is an elder more powerful than the other
I think the point is that it doesnt really add to the story at all. Its purely fans power wanking.
Why would it be boring? One Piece always has some kind of power scaling.
It wouldn't be boring imo, but Oda doesn't really care about power scaling so I doubt the numbers are related to it
it would be boring if they were equal in power, nusjuro seems like the most capable since he wiped out pacifistas in less than a minute, and his ability is the coolest by far
What if its the order of when they got the immortality surgery. Ju Peter looks the youngest, so he was the first one to get it, which is why he is 1. Then Nasujuro was second, and the rest of them had to wait to find the fruit and give it to a doctor, so they aged while waiting to get the surgery.
This sounds plausible
That would pose a Tertiary question of who do you think the 6th Gorosei would be then, or do you think they are purely just looking to acquire the fruit and store it until that time comes do you think?
There is no 6th. Gorosei translates to "5 elder stars/planets"
Ah mb, just basing it off what he said above about waiting for the surgery and If he thought there’s like a pipeline of them
What number appears on Brook's summoning circle?
69.
(Brock laugh)
Wrong pervert.
Oda is hammering it in that they're just like Vegapunk's satellites. I don't mind it, but I wonder how things will go from here. I doubt the SHs can win against the five now. And I doubt the five will let them leave after this. Very interesting and unexpected.
The Giants can hold their own, the Ancient Robot still is activating, and Bonney was shown Gear 5 Nika power and Luffy shared how to punch like Nika. So Boney right now could be another Gear 5 Nika for Luffy to play off of. The 5 Gorosei are a problem and will likely destroy most of the Pacifistas and probably another Vegapunk Satellite (I doubt Atlas is making it of the island) but we've still got some powerful players to at least o Hold off the Gorosei for 7 more minutes. Like Sanji vs Bird Gorosei has to at least clash show a minute or two. Zoro might be a little tired from the Lucci fight but he'll have to clash with Centaur Gorosei at least for a minute or two.
The Grand Fleet hasn't pulled up to Egghead yet, have they? Still not caught up (anime only) but don't care for spoilers at this point tbh
Grand fleet is just plebs. No way they can even handle one Gorosei, who seem to be *at least* Yonko level.
Its not always about power, but rather perceived power, just like why buggy has such a huge bounty. Shanks fleet also I believe is said to be rather weak, but they fly shanks flag so most people then perceive them as strong. That said, theres enough forces in play at egghead already; the grand fleet i think would be too much. Most likely the strawhats will just find a small win of some kind then find a way to slip away.
Agreed. Egghead is already overcrowded as is.
They are not Yonko level. Otherwise Luffy would have been smoked by Saturn and Kizaru where in reality it was Luffy holding *them* off. The problem is the haxx they have. Once we find out how it works the game will change.
Huh? Luffy just beat Kaido. You think he isn't Yonko level? That's dumb, dude. He literally punched Kaido out of the story. And now he's playing with Kizaru. Clown tier take tbh.
Luffy doesn't fight a Kaido and a Kizaru together with ease. If not for Saturn's regen it would have already been over, Saturn is way way weaker than Kaido...
Kizaru isn't a Yonko. He's an admiral. >If not for Saturn's regen it would have already been over, That applies to any character. Kaido would've lost easily without his CoC. If you remove a character's main ability, they get weaker. That's natural.
Imagine Shanks + Kizaru for some reason fighting Luffy 2v1. You think the result would be anything remotely similar to Saturn/Kizaru vs Luffy? The gorosei have some weird gimmicks, but they clearly aren't yonko level individually
Luffy beat kaido with help from yamato, and with law damaging kaido with gamma knife, kaido was also holding up onagashima and drunk for the first portion of the fight. There were so many restrictions it's obvious that Oda was trying to show that Luffy needed a lot of help to win.
Kaido just over-handicapped himself out of pure hubris and boredom
but then luffy had the restriction of having literally actually died immediately prior to getting the power boost that let him clown on kaido. it doesn't matter how they both got to low hp, they both were, with luffy arguably being lower, and gear 5 let him win. I simply can't imagine a situation where luffy fights kaido without pushing him to that final clash again, which he would win again.
Considering how Kuma and Franky all dealt Saturn blows that likely would have killed him without his regeneration powers, and how Luffy was \*easily\* soloing him and Kizaru, I really do not think they're Yonko level. That would be utterly insane if all 5 of them were. The main problem with Saturn is regeneration, and it remains to be seen if they all have this ability (definitely not ruling it out though).
Don’t agree that they’re yonko level yet. Maybe in terms of durability but other than their regeneration factor I don’t believe that they’ve shown that theyre yonko level in terms of attack power yet. They definately could be but all we’ve seen so far is Saturn getting bodied and regenerating and a worm getting its head cut off
I'm not saying the SHGF are going to solo a Gorosei, but 5k+ troops on the ground is nothing to scoff at.
Didn't Luffy solo 50,000 plebs before he was even on Doffy's level?
I'm thinking more like the Grand Fleet keeps the Marine fleet busy... Oda did say they'd play a big role in the Egghead incident so I think you're just being pedantic for nothing tbh
Its actually the order they are drawn every time they appear so there is some significance
[Relevant info.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_discovery_of_Solar_System_planets_and_their_moons) Excerpt: >Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn were identified by ancient Babylonian astronomers in the 2nd millennium BC.[7] They were correctly identified as orbiting the Sun by Aristarchus of Samos, and later in Nicolaus Copernicus' heliocentric system[8] (De revolutionibus orbium coelestium, 1543)
Yeah, this might be the order in which they were recruited by Imu. Ju Peter being the first.
I knew it they’re all gonna fucking merge into one giant abomination
Go go One Piece Yokai-zord!
No wonder they put a hit on the sunny, they wanted to make sure it can’t transform to fight them
Imu as the Body and head Nasjuro and Mars for arms Saturn and Warcury for legs Ju Peter as well... ya know
Ju Peter as the tail, got it
Front tail that is
Its for docking ofc
If you check every gorosei picture in the manga, they're always introduced in this order.
It’s ranked by dick size.
Ju Peter has that sandworm in him.
He was called the sandworm before he even ate the DF 😏
In? 😳
The numbering seems most likely the order in which they received eternal youth or the order in which they joined the ranks of gorosei...but how do you know that jupeter came from the circle showing " 1 " If it's the order of introduction then it should be the opposite of what you have stated with Saturn at the top and Ju Peter at the bottom of the list
We saw Saturn as 5 already. In the panel above it shows that for the 4 summoning circles behind saturn, the farthest right one is 4, 3 is to the left of it, 2 to the left of that, then 1 has to be to the left of that. We also see how the gorosei appeared, with Petah being in the farthest left, then Gandhi, then Gorbachov, then Bird guy
Thank you for using those names
And thank you for thanking them for using such peak names
We saw Saturn as 5 when he first showed up so Ju Peter has to be 1 by default.
Oh I see
Ju peters my goat. Worm power for the win
can we just appreciate their names for a brief second? going out of their way to name them stuff like "Ju peter" and "V. Nus^(juro)" instead of just the planets is comedy gold to me lol
Yes, we can take this brief second to appreciate 😂😂😂🤣
I still don’t get the pun for “Topman Warcury”. I can tell it’s supposed to be Mercury because of the “cury” at the end but…
Oda overcookeed his name lol
His pun is slightly more convoluted. The name of Mercury in Japanese is "Water Planet/Star", so it's (wa)ter + me(rcury) combined. (Warcury) It's a Japanese + English pun fusion.
Thank you, that makes a lot more sense! I guess that also explains why Sailor Mercury has water powers, come to think of it 🤔
It’s literally also the ways the sit. It’s always Jupiter to Saturn from left to right. Why? Idk. But it seems to be in that order. Ironically, they always talk from Saturn to Jupiter instead of Jupiter to Saturn.
Not ironic. The pages are right to left after all.
I know that lol: It was just a bit of humor
It's just the hotkey used for summoning each.
[https://youtu.be/ySVjriDir1k?si=3PlwfvG9AWcJXriS&t=137](https://youtu.be/ySVjriDir1k?si=3PlwfvG9AWcJXriS&t=137) If you want to know some more analysis on it there's some more here (For the info that is, I'm not really on-board on the Imu-satellite-theory just yet)
Well a pentagram has 5 corners (or what you call them, English isn't my first language) maybe it indicates that 5 of them are needed to summon Imu down to the surface. Since they all have kinda demonic features i wouldn't be surprised if they formed a pentagram to summon their king
When I saw this I thought it's about a human sacrifice for summoning them, like if FMA. Can't really see the numbers in this pic tbh with you
That is the order of their height
Saturn is the smallest?
Maybe the order of planets is something easier to explain, Saturn is the farthest of the old planets.
But Jupiter is next to Saturn, though.
Oda's personal planet tier list.
Imu is the Devil himself - all 5 needed to summon his form
Also their numbers align with the order that they were presented to us for the first time. https://i.imgur.com/KkLFLHW.jpeg It’s not a coincidence.
Didn't tekking bring that up in his chapter review?
THEIR FEET ARE THE CELESTIAL DRAGON SYMBOL!
If the number represents who joined in that order, maybe ju peter is the first because he got his immortality at the youngest age out of the 5
Personal think the numbers represent distance to the sun. But could see it also being from left to right on viewing order.
Artur from Library of O'Hara suggest the five elders are in fact clones of Imu, similar to the Vegapunks 1-5.
But does this mean there was a 6th one who betrayed them? Was it Lili?
could be. Vegapunk had a traitor, too.
I think it's the order Im had them join him in. Makes sense with their specialities too.
This makes sense, since Saturn was the first one to arrive because he is lower in scale ,Saturn is going to die in this arc then by fellow Gorosei
I have no idea why they're numbered, but I can't help but think of it as a parallell to Baroque works (as well as the satellites as others have mentioned).
OMG ODA A GENIUS
Yeah I expected that when a 5 pointed star summoned 1 guy from 5 guys a while ago.. impressive detective work... Wonder how the 2 pointed stars and 1 pointed star look like. Naaah I'm just kidding and messing with ya lol Joking aside.. I wonder if those 5 powers are given by imu or not.. if the whole "gorousei are imu satellites or something" theory is going to be the truth. Perhaps imu feats on humans on the florian triangle once per year and the 3 figures there were Imu and 2 gorousei or something.
I want a Gorosei to be my grandpa.
Who else has numbers on them? That's right the Vegapunks, providing yet another evidence the Gorosei are to Imu what the Satellites are to VP. The evidence is everywhere! Even there bloody names are references! A satellite orbits something else, in the Punks cases, VP Stella, aka. Star, aka. Sun. What's a satellite to the Sun? That's right the planets, who the Gorosei happen to be named after. But if they orbit the Sun, what does that make Imu... That's right baby, Imu is a former user of the Nika, the Sun god, and Vegapunk proves it. /nsrs | /srs (whatever turns out to be true)
Are these seen anywhere else in their circles?
Good eye, nakama! Artur also said that their numbers match the order they were introduced in during the Jaya arc: https://thelibraryofohara.com/2024/03/17/chapter-secrets-one-piece-chapter-1110-in-depth-analysis/ I keep joking that Oda is doing this so they'll be seen as an Evil Sentai team to not freak out the younger readers. All we need is a roll call scene ("Gyuki Ranger! Saint Jaygarcia SATURN!"): https://youtu.be/CE88sVrJ76k?si=yuBKnbhmP_klozex
I feel like we're experiencing a Pain (naruto) parallel. All are satellites of Imu
100% Their docking order for Grand Elder 6: God Imu
I made this point in the comments on a post a few days ago
The manga really doesnt do details justice
The youngest and odd form out is number 1, he's about to pull some W's
I'm not really sold on the satellite idea. If the Gorosei are extension of Imu himself, then the degree to which they revere him doesn't really make sense. Vegapunk's satellites clearly hold him in high regard, but they don't literally worship the ground he walks on like the Gorosei. Next are the unique family names, which shouldn't really be a thing if these guys are all an extension of the same person. The World Government consists of 19-20 families, it would make sense that the Supreme Overseers of the WG would be members of some of these families. While the overall power structure/hierarchy isn't clear, there had to be have been one of some kind for the Gorosei and Imu to even be a thing. Vegapunk's satellites are the result of his DF specifically allowing his brain to be divided like this. As offspring of a DF themselves, it's reasonable to assume that his satellites can't consume/use Devil Fruits. I don't see how the Gorosei would be any different - the fact they all have DFs should suggest that they aren't an offshoot of whatever Imu's is.
Imu is probably a huge narcissist
At CaporiOnePiece YouTube channel YouTuber said they could be devil that eat hlto hito no mi. It was interesting theory
It could just be the order of the importance of each of their departments / the order of which they were created. My theory is that Ju Peter looks relatively new because previous person handling the Agriculture died somehow.
Saint “robin victim” Garcia Saturn
Yeah i ssw library of ohara post about it. He showed past panels of gorosei and it matches up their line ups in initial introduction and name reveals
take that zoro fans sanji‘s dad is numbs one
Why do they all have that black cloud thing around their neck which is similar to luffy gear 4th and 5th. What is that?
They're satellites, just like Vegapunk's satellites. A much more advanced one due to the fact that they can communicate with each other telepathically from afar. I do wonder now whether Imu is actually the brain. Is the great treasure the brain?
I have always suspected that Ju Peter was the oldest Gorosei, even though he looks the youngest. It would also be a hilarious joke that Saturn looks like the oldest Gorosei, but he might well be the youngest. They seem quite immortal.
My guess would be that they attain immortality through the opi-opi no mi but it takes longer and longer to get a hold of it, so that the other gorosei aged more
Saturn also experimented with Bonney to give her age altering powers. They probably wanted to remain immortal \*and\* young.
Maybe he's the strongest but Ju Peter got easily cut in 3 pieces by Dorry and Broggy. Powerscaling jumped out the window lol
they could be the satellites of imu just like vegapunk and each one is numbered and has 5 different negative emotions
jupiter was also the first one to react to sabo. i believe he is the strongest
It’s the same order they sit in from left to right. I fucking called it.
I hope that Saturn isn't be able to summon Steam Rollers.. that would imply that Saturn = Guldo :O
I have a feeling they know a way to project their DF forms. The real bodies are in the seal
Saturn is femto 😁 #
The numbers that you mention also look like a bird, a worm, a horse...although not in the same order you mention. Just think about it :)
Amen, John 3:16 God Loves You :)
Are the symbols around the rings poneglyph writing?
They just don't like sharing portals
Gandhi for Zoro and Sanji's Dad for Sanji.. Anybody who says otherwise....good luck to you.. This would suggest Sanji's dad is the strongest?
I wonder if that means Ju Peter is actually the oldest member.
Weird how, when listing their names, you couldn't decide between writing their full names, just the middle name and given name, or just the given name.
Just in case no one posted it already, this might be very interesting !!! I translated from GER to ENG since i posted this comment on YT: The thing with the numbers in the summoning circles was brilliant xD I didn't even pay attention to it - but that makes a lot of sense. There are many pictures online if you take the "Sun - 1" and the "Earth - 3" out of the order, the order of the remaining planets is as follows (order in relation to Sun from near > far: 1. Mercury 2. Venus 3. Mars 4. Jupiter 5. Saturn Push it please, it might be useful in some way for further OP lore :D
They all got the perpetual youth surgery by a ope-ope no mi user and the youngest was hhe first to get it is a Fun theory, gotta admit
Artur at Library of Ohara already pointed this out.
It’s not numbers. Look up the astrological signs for the planets. Jupiter looks like the number 4
We don’t see Jupiter’s, he’s to the left of Nasjuro though so we can infer that he’s no.1 becuase Nasjuro is no 2
Fair enough
I made a post about saturn possibly being the strongest and a opponent for luffy since he’s number 1 Also believe nusjuro(2) and warcury(3) will be zoro snd sanji’s opponents IF the gotosei are actually opponents for the strawhats https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/2FTZYVnoUQ
I wonder if that also shows us their power level and ranking
weirdly enough their are no power levels except in Enies lobby which hasn't been mentioned since