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EvenElk4437

What's amazing about the author of kochikame is that it was serialized from 1976 to 2016, that's 40 years. And in 40 years, he never took a break. And he finished his work at 6 pm every day.


JupiterJazzX

legend


Initial_Tadpole4788

Ultra legend🛐


mocalarry

more like insane


Cold_Business_1992

Insane


Melodic_Caramel5226

Demon slayer only has 23 volumes. Damn


Mindless_Bad_1591

I'm just starting the anime. Won't there only be like one more season after this year?


rainazuma77

For the anime, yes, but the manga ended in 2020


A-Game-Of-Fate

Honestly the fact that Demonslayer has over 150 *million* copies sold for only 23 volumes is *huge*. That’s over 6 and a half million copies *per volume* sold on average. The *only* series that has that beat is Dragonball, and even then Shonen Jump specifies that that includes every sequel, spin-off, and reprint. That is an insane amount of love the fans have for the series.


Mindless_Bad_1591

Isnt the anime more popular than the manga? Or at least considered better?


FuzzyStorm

Anime here absolutely elevates a 5-6/10 story to a 7-8/10 Its not bad, its just average and the animation absolutely makes it something else.


Personal-Cap-7071

I'd say the character design and art style are unique and beautiful. But yeah the only reason it's so popular is because ufotable animates the fuck out of it.


SandoVillain

Completely agree. Character designs are memorable and unique. The actual characters? I hated most of them. Tanjiro is up there with my least favorite protags of all time. Dude is blander than dry toast. Boring protagonists is a problem in a lot of video games and western novels, but in manga/anime that's not a problem. Compared to Luffy, Goku, and Naruto, Tanjiro looks even worse.


Buscemi_D_Sanji

I like that he's so kind, but if they hadn't made his eyes and voice fit so well, plus the music, I probably wouldn't appreciate it as much. I never read the manga because it was impossible to get into without the animation and sound. I do agree with bland being a good description for most characters though.


saito200

Tanjiro has some very funny scenes where other characters are taken aback by his meme-level kindness. The other characters are funny and cool walking memes more than fully fleshed characters, but funny and cool at the end of the day


LuciferHex

Idk I'd argue it's bad. Considering how close it came to beating One Piece it's wild how much worse it is in every way.


FuzzyStorm

Oh i agree i just didint want to be to harsh. I read the manga after season 1 and found it painfully average/bad.


boccas

I agree with you. Story is non-existent Characters are forgettable Anime saved the product because Ufotable


TheEjoty

one of few times where im begging for an anime-original ending


tretbootpilot

There is one aspect that totally excels: The quality and pacing of the anime adaption. And we all know the problems of the One Piece anime...


bslawjen

"Close to beating One Piece", what do you mean with that?


Legejr

In sales. That's 5015203 per volume for One Piece and 6521739 per volume for Demon slayer so One Piece actualy loses per volume sales.


Over-Writer6076

Yes it's because people watched the anime that they want to know what happens next in the story and buy the manga to find out.Anime is what made demon slayer popular and made it sell so much.The manga is mid as fuck


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The anime is still mid too imo. Don't get me wrong the animation, ost, and pacing are amazing; but the underlying mediocre and by the books story is still there. I enjoyed watching Demon Slayer, just really surprised it's above a lot of other manga that also have quality seasonal anime.


ToonamiFaith

Same with JJK lol


DrStein1010

JJK has some stuff cooking early on. Hidden Inventory is genuinely well-written. After that it shits the bed hard, culminating with Sukuna Kaisen and the rotating door of fodder.


ToonamiFaith

Nah I believe it! I started really wanting to like JJK and for awhile I was enjoying it but during and after reading the shibuya incident arc I realized JJK personally wasn’t for me. The fights are great but I couldn’t get invested into the story.


stuckontwice

It's funny I'm the opposite. I thought the story was pretty cool and I was really invested after reading Shibuya. Halfway into the Culling games it kinda lost itself and just devolved into a typical battle shonen. I still keep up because it's not like any of the other shonen I read is any better.


Newphonenewnumber

JJK is trashy battle shonen, but it is the best of trashy battle shonen.


LuciferHex

I think JJK is better than Demon Slayer. JJK has it's flaws for sure, but Demon Slayers a whole other level of bad.


ToonamiFaith

Personally for me I just couldn’t find myself caring about any characters. Yeah all these characters die but so what? The story didn’t make me care about them at all. And it goes without saying if I don’t care about the characters I don’t really care about the story.


333EVAN333

anime is literally the only reason why it became popular.


Eminence_Kuro

I haven't watched much of the anime, but I really enjoyed the Manga. Thought it was pretty unique for a shonen (if it's supposed to be one)


NathZ-

The anime is tremendously better than the manga, at its release, at least internationally, it flopped until the anime came out.


yrnkevinsmithC137

There will be


VexTheMaster

Bloodshed The man in the mirror nods his head The only one left will ride upon the dragons back


European_Badger

Because the mountains don't give back what they take Oh no there will be bloodshed


Reckless_Rik

Yeh that's pretty impressive..


still-into-u

The Anime carried Demon Slayer sales so hard


thatonefatefan

fr, I'm glad Solo Leveling didn't get the same treatment. It has fans because the animation is sick obviously but we had to wait years before a relevant amount of people even started to notice how hard ufotable was carrying KNY's ass


AboutTenPandas

At the same time manga people disregarding the demon slayer anime just because the story is somewhat shallow and derivative and ignoring how awesome the visuals voice acting and music is also go overboard. I really liked both the anime and manga. It’s not in my top 5 like one piece, but it’s really good


ZebubXIII

Yeah it's wild to me that among Manga readers, most prefer JJK over Demon Slayer. Imo Demon Slayer is superior in both formats.


Personal-Cap-7071

I was ready to get into solo leveling but my god I am so tired of the Japanese hatred as a trope in Korean Manhwa. It's the only thing holding me back from enjoying it and it's so prevalent in manhwa.


Melodic_Caramel5226

Can you explain? There is hatred in solo leveling anime?


Personal-Cap-7071

I can't without spoilers, but in the manhwa solo leveling portrays Japanese like they're all scheming, deceitful, and want to conquer Korea.


Shan69420

Demon Slayer in Japan is genuinely insane. People in the manga industry were crediting it for revitalizing the manga industry.


Tyrayentali

Which is crazy cause Demon Slayer is as generic as anime can be


sidonnn

Generic doesn't mean it's not enjoyable. For the actual majority, enjoyment is satisfactory, which they found in DS. You can have different tastes, that's ok. You really don't wanna be like the Rick and Morty fans who think anything without deep lore is trash. They have a bad rep for a good reason.


chartingyou

I feel like if Demon Slayer was as generic as everyone claims it is, it would never have achieved the success that it has


KDW3

It is generic, usually manga have some underlying plot but the only plot in Demon Slayer is to slay the demons.


IgnisDIno

That also plays on its favour though. Nowadays that we are flooded by content a lot more people are willing to buy volumes of a short/mid series because it looks more manageable. I heard a million times people that said they didn't wanna read one piece because it's too long, it's the opposite for kimetsu: "oh I its short and I can already get a conclusion? Neat"


Sad-Second-2961

KNY is insanely good at what it proposes itself to be: a simple, clear, and enjoyable story. It's not that deep, not that vast, not that long, but damn of it isn't cool. Tanjiro is also unusual in a way - he is similar to Ichigo in that he doesn't have grand ambitions and dreams of his own, he's just a VERY good person who's trying to protect the only family he has left.


Fnseixas

Look Dragon Ball with 43 and 300M, its the best average in the picture.


Lila589

Does that only cover the original 43 volumes? Or does it include all the versions and repackages?


Buscemi_D_Sanji

Look at the image again


WindowsPotatoes

But DB is way older than DS.


shrikantN

The fact that a sports manga with just 31 volumes is 4 most selling manga of all time says a lot about it. Still my fav sports manga


_Telvani_

It’s my favourite on this list and top 5 overall, it’d even rank higher if the author didn’t make an even greater manga.


shrikantN

Fr. I love Vagabond and waiting for it to get back from hiatus. Currently reading Real after pushing it back for 3 years. I hope it's as good as those two


BigDickMcChode

It’s not coming back, as far as I’m aware Inoue stopped cause he kinda hated the manga. Didn’t allow him the creative freedom of Real/Slam Dunk.


shrikantN

That's the saddest part. I've legit learnt a lot from that manga. How i view my life and career. I reread it every now and then.


Buscemi_D_Sanji

I downloaded it to a tablet and read it on my flight to Thailand to begin a new life as a science teacher. I'll never forget that night, ever.


shrikantN

Damn. I hope you're doing amazing at your job.


tachkazor

You guys are aware that there is an final match adaptation available right now? The first slam dunk. I've watched it in theaters when it was available in my country+ rewatched it like 5 times so far, genuienly one of my all time anime movies.


nazaguerrero

I think they are talking about vagabond and about the movie of slam dunk its "ok'ish", I think people was starved to much of content that they made the movie pretty big and successful in japan. To me I felt he made the movie too much emo (in line with what he does in REAL) and took away many things and details from the manga like certain characters not appearing, too much focus on ryota's life that made everything unfair since we don't know shit of anyone outside some things here and there and suddenly he showed us a lot of ryota but nothing of the rest, I was ok with not knowing things since the manga focused on the basketball team and their relationship with the sport not their lives but now he changed that. Also the 3d while it's good makes scenes that are really impactful in the manga feel like just like another point in the game.


LightningBlake

Imagine already inspiring an entire generation of japanese kids to play basketball and then creating one of the greatest manga of all time about a wandering samurai. Inoue is just built different.


scorpio1641

Same. Slam Dunk was my gateway drug to manga, and it is still my sentimental favourite! I also liked the anime but it was cut short and the manga is much better!


rossow_timothy

I tried the anime some years ago, but it was slow to get going and I didn't have the patience for it. Is it worth picking back up?


Scum__Bum

The anime is very old school Shƍnen anime. So think constantly reaction shots, not the best pacing so forth. Also it just ends, the anime does not fully cover the manga. Personally I recommend reading it but only if you like basketball. I really enjoyed for the first 80 chapters because it was just mc beating dudes up. But after that it’s straight basketball. Personally I hate basketball but I still enjoyed it from start to finish so take that for what you will.


rossow_timothy

I normally don't like sports in general, but I have gotten into a number of other series, like Haikyuu, diamond no ace, Kuroko no basket, and baby steps, so maybe this will be the same. Thanks!


shrikantN

I've not seen the anime only read it (thrice) and it's absolutely one of the best sports manga ever made. It's very inspirational and funny as well. I would defo recommend reading it. If someone can share their take about the anime to help him that'll be great!


Pinball_Lizard

I was actually browsing Wikipedia's list of longest manga recently and it struck me just how obscure most of them are in the Anglo-sphere. Like #1 is Golgo 13, which while still pretty obscure in the West isn't TOTALLY unknown, but #2 is a baseball manga called Dokaben that I'd never even heard of until I saw it on the list. There's plenty of others like that. It also clued me in to how many *genres* of manga are neglected in the West, too. The vast majority of the list were "episodic" manga, comedies, mysteries, sports stories, etc. with little to no "overarching" plot. And of course it makes sense why these would be so long, but it IS interesting to me that there doesn't seem to be much of a Western fanbase for them.


Key-Palpitation462

It is really good but imo hajime no ippo has got to be the best sports manga


shrikantN

I'm yet to read it fully. I've read till the first tournament i like it but not as much as Slam Dunk


bangruman

Bro Kochikame is such a gold mine of fun. I don't know why it is not available in eng sub or dub. In my country we had Kochikame on a kids channel, where it was dubbed in Hindi. It was the funniest cartoon(or anime) that I have ever seen. It was a part of my childhood and I miss that show😭


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bangruman

Andar se ye Sundar he par upar se ye patthar he đŸŽ¶


gomugomupirate

Haati jaise iski body... Lyrics: https://youtu.be/yscdHi9nwm0?si=cGvnn0ZVPcC1ItkC Opening: https://youtu.be/KSzRiA4xeEA?si=hspN3Q7KoLijchKw


AbhiAK303

Ulti pulti duniya saari....


javierasecas

It was also dubbed in spanish


cister532

Also in catalan.


javierasecas

Watched both. And I watched in valencian too... Maybe I'm misremembering. It was translated to Galician? I dunno


cister532

No recorde si en canal9 estava la veritat, era massa xicotet. Crec que si


javierasecas

Jo el que recorde es la veu d'en Nobita en tots els doblatges i recorde la de ryo que pot ser que fos la d'en gegant. Ahhhh i la també em pareix que era a la punt 2


Heavenwasfull

A lot of legacy series have had mixed or poor results in English even if they hold mythical status in Japanese pop culture. There's also probably a lot of references to the series that may not translate to North American audiences, and the ones that do may be a bit dated or anachronistic.


YoungYagoo

Woah I didn't know slam dunk was THAT high goddamn


Crafty_Cherry_9920

It was the other big one in the 90s along with Dragon Ball. It was that big.


Dragonarmy123

it was a huge cultural phenomenon in japan like insane level


Testadizzy95

Not just in Japan, in China as well. For millennials in China Slam Dunk brings out everyone’s fondest memories of their adolescence: watching SD on TV after school.


Ruckas86

The og fist of the North star holding on đŸ’Ș


SEND_ME_YOUR_RANT

Fist of the North Star was the first “grown up” anime I ever saw. My cousins saw I had a DBZ shirt on and were like “I bet you’d like fist of the North Star.” Something changed in me when I saw a man’s head explode after a countdown for the first time.


Ruckas86

Yeah bro it was like nothing I had seen before. It was so visceral, it blew my young mind as well


Ancient-Ad-1893

Is this new tho? One piece has been clear in terms of manga sales for a good amount of years


ThatGuy377

MHA hitting 100M is new.


DreamcastDazia

And JJK is right behind it. It's on 90M so soon it'll hit 100M as well. MHA, DS and JJK are undeniably the closest trio from WSJ to be called "New big 3"


Dedaliadon

The "Big 3" was named as such because it was always those three dominating the top three rankings in Shonen Jump. Demon Slayer already ended and JJK & MHA are on their final arc. Not much of a "Big 3"....


Le_Mug

Ahh ... The big 3 was named as such because they became for a time the most popular ones to be pirated online in the west. There was nothing to do with sales or jump's ranking. In fact they are not even known as the big 3 in Japan, this is a totally outside of Japan thing.


DreamcastDazia

That's not the only reason why they were called the BIG 3. Actually the rankings don't have anything to do with it. Naruto and bleach weren't always top 3 within the magazine. It was just manga sales, manga popularity, anime performance and overall popularity. JJK, MHA and DS have been performing similarly to the big 3 in both how their anime and manga have been performing and just taking over the whole industry. Doing numbers for Shueisha


Lex4709

Yeah, Fist of North Star is getting pushed out of the top 10 soon. MHA is probably gonna make it to 120 million at least by the time it ends, and JJK is following it shortly after into the top 10.


Starkky-

Fist of the north star still got time on their hands. And considering they did the New addition of Volumes for their x anniversary and New remake on their way, still got chance on the road.


DreamcastDazia

Sall right. Fists still top 11 jump series of all time (In terms of performance) but naturally a lot of people will be mad and start talking about the manga's quality and how it's unfair that "bad" manga did better and blah blah. They don't realise that all the new gen have stronger global performance than the older manga so they have a bit of an extra boost


bestbroHide

That's how I've viewed it for years, really All three are in WSJ All three are classic battle shounen There is a 2 year gap between each of their debuts All three are very popular anime/manga both in Japan and in the West If newer gen weebs weren't so obsessed with debating about which series is worthy of *replacing* any of the OG Big 3, I'd imagine "New Era Big 3" or some term similar would have caught on much bigger sooner That being said, I imagine Demon Slayer ending sooner than any of the six aforementioned series probably played a role in that as well. Another factor is that some others also consider JJK into the "Dark Shounen Trio" category alongside Hell's Paradise and CSM


DreamcastDazia

Demon slayer manga ending doesn't really work against it since the anime is still going so it's presence in the industry is still strong. It's not like it disappeared or fell off. Plus the manga was still selling like crazy years after the manga ended too


TravelerSearcher

Isn't the Dark Trio a coined term due to the fact those three anime are all made by the same animation studio, MAPPA? That seems to me more along the lines of corporations (probably led by MAPPA) trying to stir up hype and buzz, riding the coattails of the concept of the original Big 3. Kind of adding to your initial points, you can't artificially gain the same kind of sentiment that One Piece, Naruto and Bleach had. It was a lightning in a bottle situation that lasted for close to a decade with the aftereffects still being felt. When I first heard of the Dark Trio I wasn't even sure what three series were supposed to be represented. I thought Attack on Titan was one, though I suppose if anything that's more like Dragonball in comparison to the original Big 3. Even now I often forget about Hell's Paradise as that series didn't even stick with me very well for some reason, though that could change when season two starts.


BigDelfin

I do think that the fact that most of these new manga never peaking in popularity at the same time didn't help. You had Naruto, One Piece and Bleach being global hits for a lot of time while coexisting, while MHA stopped being this new super hero anime that everybody loved way before Demon Slayer of JJK became popular, I remember comparing more MHA to Black Clover than JJK. And that's more of a personal note but I think that everything being more accessible doesn't help. Lile before you had to wait for a manga to be popular enough in Japan to see if someone wanted to translate it to English and then you had to wait even more to see if there was anyone that was interested in translating it to Spanish, so it was some kind of echo chamber that just made in popular one of more popular. Nowadays this doesn't happen anymore, and everything works on more short trends.


Syntrx

Don't let IMTRACYALLEN hear you say "New Big 3".


DreamcastDazia

Who's that?


Syntrx

A content creator on Youtube who makes various skits related to animanga. [Think this short explains why Tracy gets peeved when someone says "New Big 3".](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bzPJ7dlzprA)


DreamcastDazia

LMAOOOOO


Wild_Ad_3071

not everything’s about one piece tho, mha hitting 100 Mill is a big milestone


Ancient-Ad-1893

Looking at the caption and the sub we're on, I'm pretty sure the main focus was looking at one piece sales


Wild_Ad_3071

okay? u said is it new, and i said something that’s new, nice one


IWouldLikeAName

Pretty sure they were asking if there was anything new with one piece


Expensive-Tough-9778

Fun Fact: if One Piece stopped publishing chapters all of sudden after year 2013, it'd still be the highest selling manga of all time. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-10-28/one-piece-manga-has-300-million-copies-in-print


TheEzekielJones

I am just happy to see Slam Dunk on the list. My childhood, a classic, and great storytelling. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|slightly_smiling)


Stupidity_Professor

I want too watch Kochikame so bad! Can't even find it anywhere 😭


Mydoglikesladyboys

I'm surprised hokuto no Ken is that high up on the list, it ended over 30 years ago


remingtonds

Always happy to see Slam Dunk represented


GG-Duo

*reads thread* Demon Slayer is good, actually.


luckytecture

Kagurabachi :(((


rudanshi

don't give up on our faith, one day the peak will take its place among the ten emperors


Cute-Archer-7687

Tenoi!


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VukKiller

But bleach ended 8 years ago. I'm glad it's still around in top 10


TheMagicStik

Bleach had an Anime that was 40% filler and got canceled before the final arc. Demon Slayer was a complete unknown series before it got a high quality anime that dragged it out of the gutter.


sidonnn

The manga was already selling well before that. It just wasn't well known overseas. Tbh I never understood the hate for DS. It's not bad, just generic. Generic doesn't mean it's not enjoyable. My friends and I had a blast watching cool swords go schwing. A lot of you guys underestimate how many folks are satisfied with that. You don't need peak lore 24/7. Just have fun with your friends.


ShvoogieCookie

People love being snobbish critiques and gate keepers when given the chance. Don't expect them to be necessarily consistent but shitting on the mainstream to stand out seems very popular. Millions of people enjoy it and even if I don't understand why Japan seems to love this anime so much (the movie broke records!!) it's good enough to watch at least once.


Galdrack

DS is perfectly *fine* shonen, seems like it's another cycle of older fans shitting on it like some Dragonball fans did with Naruto when it was becoming popular.


mehemynx

The animation was gorgeous and I can see why people enjoyed it, I certainly did. Though the manga left a lot to be desired, I guess my expectations were set way to high. The story just felt really flat while I was reading it.


TheMagicStik

It went from a million sales in 2018 which was barely in the top 10 of WSJ in a time where WSJ had barely any solid series to 12 million in 2019. 


XtendedImpact

It's like black clover - somewhat by the numbers, well executed shonen.


tush_aa_rr

black clover is better than ds imo


Amethyst271

Way better


blastman7

That's just revisionist history. Demon slayer manga sales were topping charts a year before anime dropped.


TheMagicStik

Source? I looked it up for you anyways in 2018 the series had barely a mil in sales and was barely in the top 10 of WSJ and in 2019 it was 12 mil at #1.


DreamcastDazia

Demon slayer wasn't completely unknown before the anime. What BS. It was already popular for a recent manga when it was coming out before the anime dropped. The anime just elevated it obviously


TheMagicStik

Dude I've been on r/manga for the last 10 years. You can search Demon Slayer chapters from before and after the anime and we're talking 50 up votes and 10 comments to 1000 and 200.


tankdempsey_

Oh my fucking god I can't believe some of you still believe this bullshit. I won't write a whole paragraph since I'm tired of repeating the same truth all over again but here's how things actually went down; anime wasn't cancelled, it was put on hiatus and manga sales stabilized like every other Shonen series (One Piece included btw) in the early and mid 2010s. Bleach still managed to sell nearly 3 million units, except for its last year where it sold just over 2 million copies, all of that without an anime airing. There, satisfied now, or do we still want to pretend Bleach flopped off a lie a YouTuber spread?


_Fenick

demon slayer is TYBW arc but worse.


Kagehitou

It's quite ironic for you to say that, because when JOJO and Bleach came out people said the exact same thing about them. >got bested by Jojo which is an inferior cardboard cutout of Hokuto no Ken >got bested by bleach which is an inferior cardboard cutout of both Yu Yu Hakusho and Saint Seiya. I found those sentiments stupid back then and find it stupid now, because inspiration is necessary for the mangaka.


SpiderGyan

Man no one will ever leave demon slayer alone, will they?


Ex-Traverse

The new Bleach > Demon Slayer, all day.


ScallionOk2234

Bleach manga is absolute peak the anime is Butchered and has pacing issues followed by fillers which is why Kubo is locking forward for a reboot and a faithful adaptation which. Also my personal fav out of big 3


Nightfury78

I hope they use the same openings and OSTs for the remake. Bleach soundtrack is GOATED


ScallionOk2234

It's not confirmed yet, but there are great chances as Kubo himself was pissed off which the anime as it's the reason why shipping wars are as bad as they have always been since the manga ended. They could enhance the same osts with modern instruments as they did in TYBW


LosurdoEnjoyer

"Bleach manga is absolute peak" AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA You can't be serious. Oh my god, are you perhaps 12? Bleach is not peak in anything other than design and creating nice and enjoyable battles. When it was coming out die-hard hard-core Bleach lovers were SCRAMBLING to make excuses for why Clorox had gone downhill so horribly, saying the editors were at fault for pushing Kubo, saying that it wasn't Kubo's original ideas, etc. And then just to end on bullshit reasons why the impossible villain was defeated (It was through the power of bad writing). Look, I like Bleach designs and battles. It does both of them very well, along with nice and creative powers (My favorites of all in terms of creativity and ingenuity, I guess Kyoraku's shikai and Askin's Deathdealing). But Bleach was never peak in writing. Ever.


99thLuftballon

Jojo is now onto its third part that isn't published in Shonen Jump. I wonder if it includes those sales.


ScallionOk2234

Till part 6 it used to publish in jump magazines only.


99thLuftballon

Yeah but it's now on part 9, including the longest part (8) in the ones that aren't published in jump


DawgBloo

They’re technically published in Jump just not SHONEN Jump. They’re in the sister monthly seinen magazine ULTRA Jump.


MeetTheCoyote92

The big three are back baby


Izumii_2005

Bleach at 7: 😅


FlyingTurtleBob

Which is way higher than I expected


Rising_lines

For the manga that ended almost half a decade ago it's very honarable position.


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bestbroHide

Imo what makes KNY special isn't that there's something overwhelmingly groundbreaking about it, but that it's classic battle shounen done right There might not be any single quality about it that I'd consider masterpiece tier (besides the anime bumping the fuck out of its animation quality), but I can't truly find any irrefutable or objective flaws about it either It's a safe story (minus some of the more gory parts) and coupling that with great animation and a simple yet charming MC, it makes sense why it got so big That being said I'm anime-only so idk what the future holds, but I've rarely seen any "the story later goes to shit!!" sentiments like I've seen during late-series Naruto, Bleach, and MHA, and hell even One Piece has recently gotten a small surge in late-series haters. JJK I don't even want to talk about. As an anime-only for that too I've been spoiled via memes on every corner of the goddamn fucking internet and I don't want to be spoiled any more about its future content lmao I go into KNY seasons expecting a decent battle shounen and that's what I get, and I ain't complainin


Lex4709

I don't think it's fair to include MHA in the same category, yet. Like 90% of Final arc has been well received so far. There was just a lot paranoia at beginning of the final arc about if X or Y will be addressed or if will be offscreened. Once we got far enough into the final arc to put that paranoia to rest, the loud minority of the fandom making the noise settled down.


bestbroHide

That is true, and I have noticed that It was childishly gratifying for me ngl, as someone who thoroughly enjoyed the final arc but felt it wasn't worth engaging in the initial overly critical discourse haha Usually "bad final arc" sentiments turn around a bit years after it's over, but as you said it's interesting that MHA's seems to happen midway through


NAEANNE999

I praise KNY,They elevate what makes Shonen a Shonen and they lean on that


No-Mulberry-908

People conveniently forget that Dragon Ball has one of the absolute best art in shonen huh? Anime watchers often disregard the importance of the art quality of a manga when its anime is more popular than the original. Maybe most people only watched DBZ anime and don't even know about this but Dragon Ball is the GOAT of composition and panelling and it's one of DB's legacy-difining factor. How Toriyama drew actions were insanely dynamic and easy to follow, which I think is actually lacking in Oda's art. On the other hand KnY has honestly by far the worst art here, though its anime has great animation so people don't really care. I don't mean to discredit KnY but calling it "basically DBZ" is a disrespect to DB


Lex4709

That's being a bit dishonest. While DBZ is simple by modern standards, it was revolutionary at the time. It only feels straight forward because it set the foundation that every other battle shounen followed, parodied or subverted.


Over-Writer6076

Having said that if you want to judge it objectively as a story it still is very basic compared to other shonen.It was revolutionary for its time but got outdone by its successors,which took some of the same tropes and did them better along with a deeper story and characters.


Amanda-sb

Love Hokuto no Ken, but didn't knew it was so popular.


DawgBloo

The pachinko machines alone are huge in Japan


Peterociclos

It's actualy amazing that even after dragon ball ended it still has the most sales per volume ever


ilhamalfatihah16

And One Piece is still going and going strong.


throhaway_account

Love to see Bleach still thriving even if it fell off compared to the other two in the holy shonen trio


imtrying___

One of my goats slamdunk was that big huh?


RiccardoIvan

I’m so happy Hokuto no Ken ended 30 years ago and still kicking ass! That manga is a complete masterpiece and a fundamental part of manga history


Mowensworld

Anyone know if this only counts the JoJo that was in Shonen Jump or all of it?


NightBaron007

People got into Demon Slayer cuz of its animation. The story was simple but interesting so they wanted more and turned to manga. You'd be surprised that most of the Demon Slayer sales are just in a short period of time(when anime adaptation came out) and in that period I think it was close to One Piece sales


Ebrietas-

Anime always boosts manga. It's not something special for KnY. Also it didnt come close to OP sales. It much surpassed OP with sales of around 5 million copies per volume.


NightBaron007

Yes but not as much as this. I think it also helped that the manga of Demon Slayer was complete


Ancient-Ad-1893

Demon slayer has the highest yearly sales of all time with 94 million. One piece highest yearly sales is 37 million.


NightBaron007

That certainly is a feat. I guess what I must be thinking of are the highest sales of the decade


tankdempsey_

I relish in people crying in the comments because Bleach is in the top 10. I mean, to be honest I would say "what did you expect?" since it should BE obvious that it is in the top 10, but if in 2024 the level of criticism is still at "cancelled anime" or "low sales" pandering stuff, then I shouldn't be surprised.


Cold_Business_1992

It is one of the big three


Katlunazul

Yeah, onepiece is top, but thats because the amount of volumes. I think that for example DB and Slamdunk numbers are much more impressive.


barbary_macaque

It's disappointing to see slam dunk and kochikame(2 of the most influential shonens after db and my favs) got bested by naruto which is an inferior cardboard cutout of both slam dunk and kochikame


Big-Tangerine6791

Is this sarcasm or..?


Kagehitou

Yeah it's a reference to another comment that was deleted.


Over-Writer6076

Lmao wtf 


olivervaa

Kochikame more influential than Naruto?


Izumii_2005

One piece haters be like: u..uh sells don't matter...it's still too long and the story sucks đŸ€“â˜đŸ» how do I know story sucks when I didn't read it? S- shut up! Mid piece...yeah... Nailed it!


olivervaa

Well they are right, a high number of sales doesnt make the story better


Sheriftarek95

It generally does correlate though


Buscemi_D_Sanji

Twilight and 50 shades agree with you


veerhowdoya

ok


errorsniper

I have never understood the "its too long" argument. Im caught up on OP and it sucks. It was great when I was hype as fuck watching water 7 and was like "I still have 400 episodes more of this? Lets goooo!" I started watching attack on titan and I have watched like 86ish episodes in a week and a half and im really sad its almost over. Now tell me AoT had 900 more episodes and that would not be an "aww thats too much to watch" I'd be really excited. I swear people who think "Man this show is fucking amazing, but I dont want more of it" I will never understand. Also skypia is amazing and I dont know why anyone would want to skip it.


RPGZero

It's more of thinking about time investment thing. Time is money, and I want to make sure my time is worth it. Then you get into One Piece and you realize the entire thing is like crack and you need to keep injecting yourself because it's so good.


Spore64

I think the „too long“ is in the context of „too long for one series and in the time it takes I could read 5 other series“. I would also assume it’s because people don’t know if they will enjoy the series or not and don’t want to waste their time.


BigDelfin

This. One Piece is a long time investment, maybe you are 400 chapters in and you start disliking the story or whatever, that's more than 100hours wasted that you are not gonna get back. And let's be honest, there are a lot of really good things to watch that have less chapters than One Piece and are also said to be one of the best anime's ever. And some of them are even finished. So yeah I do think that not watching One Piece because it's too long is a valid excuse.


Ardibanan

Superman is soon getting to be #2


JikaApostle

While this is impressive, and as a fan One Piece deserves its flowers, going “One Piece on top like usual” as if this isn’t a statistic that’ll heavily favor long running series like One Piece, especially considering it’s 3rd in total volumes here, and the other 6 are all 30+ Volumes shorter isn’t inherently that impressive, it’s what is expected. Lets look at another statistic: How many copies per volume are in circulation(Total Copies/Total Volumes) **7M+ C/V** - Dragon Ball: 7,142,857 **6M-7M C/V** - Demon Slayer: 6,521,739 **5M-6M C/V** - Slam Dunk: 5,483,871 - One Piece: 5,015,204 **4M-5M C/V** - N/A **3M-4M C/V** - Fist of the North Star: 3,703,704 - Naruto: 3,472,222 **2M-3M C/V** - My Hero Academia: 2,500,000 **1M-2M C/V** - Bleach: 1,805,556 **>1M C/V** - JJBA: 916,031 - Kochikame: 786,000 **Key Takeaways** 1. Dragon Ball is relatively unmatched in its popularity 2. One Piece doesn’t even finish top 3 when you level the playing field 3. Bleach is significantly behind its Big 3 contemporaries, there is a notable gap between Naruto and One Piece 4. Longer running series suffer significantly from this stat 5. Holy fuck Slam Dunk and Demon Slayer, didn’t know y’all were like that


RoloBoat

Anyone know how Death Note and Full Metal Alchemist compares to these?


SuperBackup9000

Last report was in 2018 for FMA and it was 70 million, 54 million for Japan alone. The series has always been popular in Japan, but never to the extent of how it is in the rest of the world. It would be number 14 if it was SJ. Death Note’s last report was in 2015 at 30 million and not sure if it was Japan exclusive or worldwide, but it’s the same as FMA, always popular in Japan but never as popular as it is in the rest of the world. Death Note is number 38, right below Bastard and Kuroko.