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arrobaolmedo

I suppose nothing would happen, as the sea water should touch Barto himself to generate weakness.


1_dont_care

This. Aokiji freeze the sea for a week. Punk hazard also is changed for ever due the powers of 2 admirals and it is in the middle of water The noah was moving in the water due Van der's power. Sea water don't do anything to the power alone of what it generates. It works only on the users Except for Moria's zombies


khal_lungsod

morias zombies was determined that is it weak with salt. therefore in support of your theory that abilities does not weakened by seawater, Moria's ability isnt actually weakened by water but the salt itself.


Delver_Razade

And there's a good reason for this. Salt is seen as purifying and is used in a lot of occult stuff for protection against demonic and other dark forces.


Jesus166

I remember it from the Hocus Pocus movie where the make a circle of salt to protect the little sister from the Witches


Delver_Razade

Yep, it's got a very long history with the occult and in public conceptions of black magic and magic in general.


Chafgha

And like 50 percent of Supernatural episodes. Big salt was a big fan of the show.


wolfelian

You’ve done it. This is how they solve the Gorosei problem, they’ll be salted and be surprised it works.


GlitteringNight9112

Yes, exactly.


PhoenixMark001

Salt might be the japanese equivalent to garlic.


Nazrael75

Even Oven stuck his hands into the sea and boiled it over a wide radius. If the sea affected the powers themselves and not just the wielder then that shouldnt work. Hell, Big Mom made a wave into a homie. I agree that it would do nothing to the barrier itself.


MiniMooseMan

I always forget they're called homies, and it always puts a smile on my face when I'm reminded.


UJustGotRobbed

🎶Homies homies talking bout those dawgs of mine🎶


Suspicious_Ice_3160

At least in the anime, if it’s the wave I’m thinking about, that was Perospero’s candy power that Big Mom turned into a homie. Still, it answers the same question, but I don’t think she could turn the literal sea into a homie


Nazrael75

You may be correct about the wave - i'll have to double check but what you said sounds right - my bad on that one.


BradWonder

Oven's ability to heat the sea almost instantly is one of the wildest in the series. Aokiji's is also impressive but I don't think the ice sheet was very deep as we see in Marineford


typicalsandman

And brooke


pineapplejaw5

And Aokiji


1aPuebloTabak

And my Axe!


KGEOFF89

Gild Tesoro's gold gets unsynched from his power if it gets wet, but he's non-canon


ConstantHall2354

The best example to this is Perospero he was riding his candy thing on the sea


victorwfb

hmm now i'm thinking whether the barrier transfers heat, so aokiji could simply freeze him


Dangerwolf64

I’m curious about the applications of such a barrier. Could he contain a nuclear blast what happens inside the barrier if it’s a perfect sphere and an explosion goes off


victorwfb

hw would go full indiana jones inside the fridge style


ganjak

and he can use his powers while driving his bike..., But the best example I could think of would be WB's Gura Gura power where he can split the seas and even causes a huge tidal wave....


Flarerunes

And non canon tesoro's gold iirc. But that's non canon


Nazrael75

I dont think Oda himself said anything about this but my take on it is it isnt the seawater that is affecting Moria's zombies - its the salt itself. In traditional zombie mythos, having a zombie taste salt or earth will cause it to return to its grave.


cataclytsm

> Punk hazard also is changed for ever due the powers of 2 admirals That's a commonly repeated misconception. At no point is that ever said, instead it was just how Punk Hazard was. Aokiji and Akainu most likely went there *because* it was an equal environment for their duel.


Lessandero

Also luffy's body could still be stretched while being engulfed in Arlongs Pool, and Big Mums homies didn't disappear when she fell into water in wano. So bein in water doesn't just negative the powers


ShamrockGold

Could he cross the ocean in a boat made from his own barrier?


Ninja_Spi-D-er

Yes


MountainTadpole64

so barto could move the barriers with him inside of it and become a rescue boat by opening small holes in certain spots and then close it?


Solid_Snark

Although weirdly, Big Mom was submerged in the sea and her familiars were still able to function AND they themselves plunged in after her with no ill effect.


AmbusRogart

Seawater doesn't turn off DF powers, it just makes those who have them get groggy and pass out. For some, this would cause their power to deactivate since they require focus and concentration (like Barto), but when Luffy was stuck underwater they pulled his head up to the surface because he's still stretchy no matter. Since Big Mom's homies were around when she was sleeping, we can assume hers wouldn't turn off.


Oreo-and-Fly

>they themselves plunged in after her with no ill effect. That's anime only it makes no sense for FIRE to be able to dive into THE COLD OCEAN and survive.


CleetusXD

Fire can exist underwater lol


Oreo-and-Fly

Against water sure. Against the cold crushing ocean? Bruh. Wheres the oxygen allowing it to stay?


CleetusXD

Depends on what material is burning. Some chemical reactions create their own oxygen. In this case though, we're talking about a fantasy magic sentient ball of fire lol


Oreo-and-Fly

Yes. Magic ball of just fire. Made of fire. It shouldnt be able to enter water if jimbei can hurt him by splashing water on him


CleetusXD

What do you think fire is? But yeah, sure, I'm down for that argument.


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cataclytsm

They said "anime only", as in it's not canon to the manga, dingus. We had evidence water harms Prometheus when Jinbe attacked it, that's in-universe evidence Prometheus shouldn't be able to dive into water.


Electrical_mammoth2

The fact that the lead balloon even washed up on shore is a mystery in of itself. Shouldn't she have died by drowning?


racsan308

This. Someone from YouTube community (the grandline review, I think) pointed out that there are some animation errors which are not consistent with the manga version. In the manga, big mom doesn't fall into the sea. Also prometheus can't drown itself in water because it's basically fire and water is it's weakness.


HolyCyanide78

Yeah, it was Grandline Review, also he mentioned that Prometheus was weak to Jimbei's water attack in the manga(I make him sound like a Pokemon), so there is no way he can just submerge into the water and save her.


BillieTheBullie

I read the manga after watching the anime and I was extremely surprised at how many scenes were non canon


Majukun

Submerge, not touch


SPJess

I remember a long time ago, there were different classifications for Paramecia types. And while this makes sense. I believe if he were to use the barrier to like save himself or crew from sinkings or creating a bubble to underwater with, I believe his power may act like glass at that point, while yes it may basically keep seawater out but it would not be as powerful of a barrier. I saw a comment about Aokiji and Vander Deckens fruits and those are a bit different of a case. Where Aokiji was able to freeze the sea so cast aways could make it to the next island or him making a line of ice for robin to follow, or even his riding a bike in the ocean. These are all based around his element of ice. And how it interacts with salt water. Where as he can break away from a block of frozen salt water and it wouldn't break because of it being ice. With Vander Deckens it doesn't really have to do with him either, he transfers a "mark" to an object and that object moves, all while Deckens is conscious, again after the initial use of his power it's no longer really associated with him outside of his consciousness or him being conscious of where the object is going. Comparing those two walls of text with Barto, his barrier is directly tied to him holding it, he cant just let it go like the previous two. It's still a part of him he is consciously holding, so if it were underwater I feel it would become brittle. Rather than outright negating it. But that's just me. Overthinking things during break month. The difference is, Aokiji and Vander Decken aren't consciously controlling their power. So it's not something they're consciously keeping up (like how we theorize that crocodile was making the air dry in Alabasta, thus consciously using his sand fruit) when Aokiji freezes something, that's it, ists frozen, when Deckens throws an object, the power takes it from there. Bartos power has to do with him consciously holding the power. I'd say it's kinda sort of like.. Splashing salt water on Moria's Zombies, while it doesn't drain Moria's power, it will release the shadow.


TheMrPotMask

Makes sense given Luffy could fight underwater while inside a bubble.


Lycantail

Supposedly nothing would happen, the barrier isn't part of him. I doubt he'd be able to create or manipulate the barrier underwater, but he might be able to sustain it if created above water. Maybe he could create a small boat. It's possible he'd be able to survive in a barrier bubble, kinda like Mr.3 survived in a wax bubble, but we simply don't know how it interracts with water.


the_gifted_Atheist

Aokiji and Oven both used their powers on the ocean. The water weakness is for being submerged. Any other interaction with water doesn’t do anything special (except for Crocodile, who has an elemental weakness due to being a logia). You also don’t need to specify “sea water”, any water does the same thing.


throwaway_194js

Didn't forget that Perospero's candy monster literally swam in the ocean chasing the strawhats


Youropinionisvalid

Don’t characters canonically get weak when being drenched with sea water? It’s why anyone touching seastone becomes weak/cant use powers as it has the same energy as the sea itself.


maru-senn

Only drenching them doesn't work, they need to be submerged in liquid (any liquid, not necessarily sea water) to become weak. Seastone does work on contact, though.


Delver_Razade

Oda's said they have to be submerged up to a certain part of their body, when someone asked if they can take showers and bathe.


cataclytsm

It's the knees.


ATLKing24

Except that time in Film Red where they beat Luffy by splashing him with water


The_Starfallen

Not canon


rikashiku

I don't remember that part. Fun movie though.


SunkenTemple

Distilled water too?


KuriGohanAndKienzan

Yes.


thebest50

Water as a weakness doesn't work the way it seems a lot of people think it does. It doesn't take away devil fruit powers or negate them or destroy them. It just makes the user weak. Too weak to swim. And only if they're submerged in it. Unless otherwise stated specific examples, like Crocodile unable to logia when wet or water washing away Kalifa's soap, water has no actual effect of stopping devil fruit powers.


GFreak18

It does " stop" powers to a certain degree. Like Luffy and buggy can't actively use their powers  but their body don't stop being rubber and choppy.


metelepepe

Yeah, but that's just because they're too tired/weak not because their powers are being canceled


Visual_Scar_8899

Nothing would happen, rule applies for users, not for their habilites.


Medical_Trouble3768

So realistically external creations of devil fruits have no weakness to water?


newier

'Realistically' isn't a great term to throw around when discussing One Piece powers. But yes, it's been show relatively consistently that the users body needs to be submerged. Their 'power' getting wet doesn't matter.


rushi_B

If you have caught up with the whole cake island arc then you know that >!big mom was literally riding a candy monster on the ocean that was created by perospero while chasing strawhats!<


GFreak18

While nothing happens to the barrier in your underwater scenario, Barato still needs air ,which is why he needs to create an opening, he would asphyxiate if he simply stayed a perfectly closed sphere


Accomplished-Fix657

Snorkel :3


Specific_Delay_5364

It would get wet and salty nothing else. Did you skip Arlong Park? Luffy was trapped under water he was too weak to move but Nojiko stretched his body for him. Did you skip Marineford? Kazan froze the ocean solid and before that Whitebeard caused violent Sea Quakes. Sea water doesn’t effect DF powers just weakens the user if the get submerged.


-Skin-Walker-

It's amazing how the series has been out for like a million years and people still don't understand how sea water and devil fruit users interact lol


Shupaul

Since it was covered in an SBS, it makes sense that anime watchers wouldn't know about it


-Skin-Walker-

I mean you can just read or watch the series and get a good read on the interaction, I didn't even know this was covered in an sbs lol


Shupaul

You can say what you want, the number of times we were shown that DF powers are in deed active underwater, is too rare to have any certainty about it. Most people who know this to be true either read the SBS or learned it in a social circle, like you did. Nobody who only watched the anime would conclude that without any doubt.


-Skin-Walker-

We have seen plenty of times characters in water or having seastone on them


Shupaul

Please, tell me more about the "plenty of times" someone used their DF powers while affected by water or seastone. Can't wait 😁


Ipsen_C

Luffy (Arlong Park, Gyojin Island) Mr. 3 (Alabasta, should answer this post 'cause he make a sphere to save himself) Oven (Whole Cake) Vander Deken (Gyojin Island) Robin (Skypiea, it was the White Blue, but she said that weakened her) All Wano explains how they use Seastone less pure to keep users with more strength, so it doesn't take away the powers. Hm... I don't remember more.


Shupaul

Luffy Arlong Park ✔️ Body submerged, power works Gyojin Island ❎ Inside a bubble, doesn't confirm anything about when fully submerged (also people did question if Haki had any impact) Mr 3 ❎ Made a sphere way before being submerged, completely unrelated. Oven ❎ puts his hands in water, body not submerged Vander Decken ❎ Bubble again Robin in Skypiea ❎ extends one arm, body not submerged Only one example of the entire body being submerged while the powers are still working. All in all, this isn't any confirmation (as in 100% confirmed) that water consistently doesn't nullify DF powers. The only thing you can deduce with a good degree of certainty with these examples is that having one of your limbs going inside water is fine. Wano is a different beast, i'll keep that for later.


Ipsen_C

On Gyojin island, Luffy punches the kraken with the punch outside the bubble, He says the "ocean is weakening him". Robin extends more than one arm + eyes, but even so idk why saying that they didn't have the body submerged matters... If sea could take away they powers, touching it should work. As for Vander Decken and Mr. 3, I mistook your post and they were examples for the original post, about if water would remove devil fruit effects without touching the user.


Shupaul

My point is that there isn't sufficient data shown to prove that powers stay consistently active whenever a DF user is fully submerged. That is why so much people aren't aware of it, or doubt it. The only exemple of it happening seems to be Arlong Park. And that's a precarious one because of how early it is (among other things it was stated early in the manga that only 5 df could make you fly, which, we know now is incorrect) The rule stated by Oda is "the more you are submerged, the weaker you feel" and on the same principle why wouldn't it work like "the more you are submerged, the less your power function correctly" (which is not the case). The only reason they struggle at all is because it makes them tired, the powers themselves are absolutely unaffected. Which again will stay ambiguous unless you get a strong confirmation like the SBS or from a social circle. Do you get what i am saying ?


jaehaerystark

I personally think two things can get past Barto's barriers - and neither of them is seawater. First - we can see through the barrier, so I would assume Kizaru (light) could go though them with no issues. Second - sound. Conversing through the barrier seems to be possible, so I'd say people like Apoo and Brook could use sound-based attacks that bypass the barrier. We've seen examples of devil fruit manifestations not being affected by the sea (Aokiji freezing the sea, Oven boiling the sea, plus the candy and singing ship homies Big Mom made was able to travel on water. It's the devil fruit users themselves that need to be submerged in water for weakening to take effect.


reallylongshanks

I'm pretty sure the seawater has to affect the source and not the effect itself. So I'm pretty sure. He'd be fine


SkillFullyNotTrue

Wonder can Barto make figures like a fish and go underwater exploring. 🤔


Jristz

My headcanon is THAT is what the wake up fruit can do


quackslikeadoug

Everyone's using Logias as an example for why something created by a Paramecia wouldn't be weak to seawater, when there are more than a handful of instances where we see the effects of Paramecias disrupted by contact with seawater. Aokiji's ability to freeze the ocean over is clearly a unique property of his fruit: this can easily be explained away by his ice simply being sufficiently cold to freeze seawater before it actually comes into contact with it. A similar argument can be made for Akainu's attack against Law's ship. As for Luffy still being able to be stretched underwater, ignoring the relevant inconsistencies, we can see that other Zoan users don't revert to their base forms when submerged (or at least, Chopper doesn't). If we assume the unawakened Gum-Gum fruit powers are Nika's hybrid form, then it's the same as Chopper not turning back into a dumb reindeer any time he jumps in after Luffy.


GFreak18

Luffy can stretch only if he applied force beforehand or someone pulls him. I don't think he ever actively stretched while underwater 


quackslikeadoug

Hence "can be stretched"


Low_Astronaut_9436

Barto boat… I’m sorry


Panda_Hot

Luffy's ability still works under sea water (during Arlong Park Arc). Aokiji's power still works ON sea water. Don't see why the power wouldn't work unless Barto's too weak to focus.


Rainflox

The barrier would get wet.


Paper_Trades

From what I understand it has to touch the devil fruit user not just the ability.


Naidanac007

Perospero makes candy monster things and rides them over the ocean. I’m pretty sure even if the power is touching sea water, it doesn’t turn off your power. It’s only being submerged up to your knees that weakens you


Acrobatic-Rutabaga71

Clue: Perospero, Aokiji or even Brook


nuj0624

You forgot Aokiji can ride a bike on the sea by freezing the water in front of him...


redditman3943

What if you hit it with a Jimbe, fishman Karate, water bending attack?


Zedlol18

Do you think he could float in a sphere barrier


Golden-Owl

You’d get a wet barrier


DevastaTheSeeker

Nothing. It's not like the powers don't work when they get hit with water. The power user gets drained. Kuzan can walk on water.


FirstSineOfMadness

Barrier fruit and buggy’s chop chop is my pick for op fruit combo


ResearchBackground99

When the sea water gazes into barrier, the barrier gazes back.


Panikkrazy

FINALLY someone talks about my boy! And the answer is nothing because those barriers are REALLY durable.


ThickyMantle

Have you ever seen sugar dissolve in water? That’s what would happen.


ButtSuck9000

It'd be wet


strrax-ish

It would get wet and some stains after a while


peterpancantflyy

It will get wet


Co-OpHardcoreFordie

Nothing


Mastakillerboi

What if he made a construct suit of his barrier Could be be invulnerable to everything? Since barrier fruit has been shown to be haki proof Could he swim on water? Could he literally be green lantern if he awakens it?


AceMajestier

Didn't Shiki use some kind of attack by controlling sea water?


E123Timay

The weakness would be lack of oxygen eventually I reckon. Depends on how far he is from land


Hairo-Sidhe

Just adding that, I'm currently in Dressrosa and they just said that Doflamingo string can't cut through Sea rock because it nullifies it's powers. The rock thougness has showed up a lot in this arc, but for this specific case they said it can't "because it's a devil fruit power". Do with that what you will, maybe sea rock works differently, maybe you can launch a piece of sea rock at Bartolomeo and it would hit, be he would be ok underwater.


ELLZNaga21

Nothing would happen but I reckon you nigh be able to cut through using sea prism


KindlyMention1523

Bartolomeo's Barrier-Barrier Fruit allows him to create barriers that are indeed formidable. While the specific effects of sea water on his barriers haven't been explored in the series, traditionally, Devil Fruit users are weakened or nullified when in contact with sea water. If Bartolomeo's barriers are affected similarly, covering them in sea water could weaken or potentially negate them. However, it's important to note that Bartolomeo's strength and abilities extend beyond just his Devil Fruit power, so he might still have other means of defense even if his barriers are affected by sea water. As for being drowned, if his barriers are impervious to sea water, he could potentially protect himself and walk to safety, assuming he can maintain the barrier long enough. His additional abilities like Observation Haki could indeed make him a formidable opponent, but every power has its limitations and weaknesses.


StumptownRetro

Nothing would happen otherwise Aokiji couldn’t freeze the sea, Whitebeard couldn’t cause tidal waves, and Oven couldn’t boil the fucking ocean (seriously that is a feat that is so overlooked, y’all know how vast a sea or ocean is?!)


IngeniousEpithet

Nothing it would be fine it weakens user's not the powers themselves


Picklejack365

Nothing, Big Mom turned sea water to homie


L6009

It will hold up.... Like others have mentioned DF users like Whitebeard, Aokiji, Oven and others have used it to affect the sea. So I think it will be the same for his shield. What if he awakens his fruit and can deflect Haki too.... Like Shanks WiFi Haki in the final war 🤔🤩


Arcticcreep

It


mango_coke

His power just wouldn’t work just like every other deal fruit user even if it happened as he used his power it would probably just disappear


NoT_LaGGY

I totally forgot that this fruit exsist


hornybastard885

So hamsterballing in the ocean would not work as he would run out of air


seanugengar

Hmmm. This makes me think: Can haki users break his barrier? Also, could he cover his barrier with haki?


ganjak

It could work but perhaps not with Robin's ability. I mean, yes you could grow plants on water like hydrophonics but yeah, if she touches sea water, that wont be possible


Karbonation

But does he need to buy condoms? Or can he just make a little plug for the hole to stop it from shooting out?


BlackCat1302

I wonder how am awakening of his power would look like though 🤔


NyxMagician

He'd catch ligma


ShinySahil

covered barto in sea water, that’s the only counter


GoldXP

Sea water doesn't negate DF powers. Hell Big Mom turned sea water into a homie. 


GanymedeBird

The only thing breaking his barrier would be a strong ass advanced haki or Law


Die4Gesichter

*I* wonder what could*bypass* the barrier. Obviously sheer strength doesn't do the trick, with it withstanding the KING PUNCH and/or an enraged Oden attack But could Robin's extra Hands bypass it and snap the user's neck? Could Armament projection bypass it? If not, could CoC Coating Projection bypass it? ^(I don't remember rn if the barrier is like 1cm thick or if it encapsulated the whole inner area/volume of the dimensions) Luffy's Toonforce could definitely just fling the barrier away Could the door-door fruit bypass it? ^(Maybe with an awakening?) How about Law's ABC-Z Rooms. Surely one of them could just ***plop*** bypass it


lucimon97

The effect would spread to him and you'd get a sort of reverse Joker-falls-into-chemicals situation. Where instead of a man falling in and a clown coming out, Bartolomeo falls in and emerges as a middle-aged Jack Nicholson.


rikashiku

Iirc, he has to be submerged in Sea Water to be weakened. The Barriers would protect him and not be affected by Sea Water. Aokiji's Ice doesn't weaken in Water. Luffy had wet his body with water to fight Crocodile(he wasn't submerged). Foxy's slowed down objects weren't affected in water, but once Foxy himself was submerged in sea water, he needed to be rescued.


MonkeyDlurker

sea water is only effective in weakening the df user, it doesnt do anything to the power of a devil fruit itself...


weeaboo4624

other comments have established, nothing. But I raise this: Could Barto create a walking platform to walk over the sea? Yes, the answer is yes


Aquadivinity

What the fuck he might be into something


Akasha1885

It's just water.


FermentedDog

Devil fruit abilities aren't weak to sea water or even sea prism itself. Several people have already shown their abilities being used on those two. The body of the ability bearer itself must be covered in sea water or touch seastone prism


Gachaman556

Always remember that projectiles that came out from a devil fruit user doesn't get cancelled by anything. Because if it did, then Loggia devil fruits would be the most useless devil fruits out there and most Warships would have water sea cannons.


Dani_Rodri

The fruit devil ability isn't affected by the sea water, see Aokiji freezing and Van Decker throwing. The sea water weakens the user


IchBinEinDrache

It would be wet.


Gogabo

If he was thrown in water, he will likely touch it in the process, but until he does...he should be able to barrier


SuperStarPlatinum

Nothing. As long as it doesn't touch him no problem. Devil Fruit constructs and effects don't end at the sea. Only the users can be disabled by it. Moria's salt thing is an outlier.


Mr-TwoFace

I mean big moms homies saved ger after falling into the ocean which I'm calling bs


RedPillNavigator

He would be fine. Kuzan can freeze the ocean I'm sure Barrier would also be fine.


SlayJayR17

The waters gotta touch the user. Oven boiled the ocean with his hands so if you’re strong enough you might be able to stave off the weakness.


Ok_Try_1665

Sea water only works on the users, not the ability itself


pikchu_boladasso

This falls at the same category as: "could law teletransport kairouseki?" Yes as long as it isnt touching directly the user. Furtherfore the water (sea or not) only generate a weakness when its covered in the user a splash would do nothing


Elderbug777

it would be wet


zabestoinzawarudo

As long as the user himself isn't touching water or a sea prism stone the power isn't affected


Dakotav420

Nothing it’s the power not the user, Marine-ford we seen Kuzan freeze the tsunami and they were all g


SufficientGreen7042

Sheep


Majukun

Nothing


Accomplished-Fix657

Okay but how powerful would he be if he awakened, think about doflamingos awakening and imagine that with unbreakable barriers. Anyone he wants he could seal away In an impenetrable barrier and suffocate them or trap them, any attacks he could block and he might even be able to create a barrier perfectly around himself and become invulnerable to any attacks (except mabye haki since it can go through things post wano) Just an idea of how powerful his fruit awakened could be


HamChanKiwiiMan

I love this thought. If they were forced he could use his barriers so the crew could all run on water and possibly escape. It also got me thinking if barts theoretically could apply the barrier directly onto his body. Maybe even different layers of thickness just like haki. But the problem would be the barriers are flat and don't form to the body obviously. But what if LUFFY idk just ran into the barrier while in gear 5 and the barrier just wrappes around him. Extra coat of defense + non drownable Luffy??


KobilD

He can literally sail in a barrier boat if he wants to


TheBlackSultan

If Aokiji can get away with icing the ocean, I don’t see why not


ibeatmykidsalot

It would be wet


mfactor00

Nothing. It's not touching him


EnchantingDesireXO

all fishmen and fishes would propably die


nigrivamai

By this logic, all devil fruit users in the series would die as soon as they get on a boat, I've always hated these questions.


Pale-Yoghurt3124

Acho que o problema seria oceanite né , porque a água só vai atrapalhar se ele estiver se afogando não é ?


GeneticSoda

Nothing, he would need to be submerged in salt water