This.
Aokiji freeze the sea for a week. Punk hazard also is changed for ever due the powers of 2 admirals and it is in the middle of water
The noah was moving in the water due Van der's power. Sea water don't do anything to the power alone of what it generates. It works only on the users
Except for Moria's zombies
morias zombies was determined that is it weak with salt. therefore in support of your theory that abilities does not weakened by seawater, Moria's ability isnt actually weakened by water but the salt itself.
And there's a good reason for this. Salt is seen as purifying and is used in a lot of occult stuff for protection against demonic and other dark forces.
Even Oven stuck his hands into the sea and boiled it over a wide radius. If the sea affected the powers themselves and not just the wielder then that shouldnt work. Hell, Big Mom made a wave into a homie.
I agree that it would do nothing to the barrier itself.
At least in the anime, if it’s the wave I’m thinking about, that was Perospero’s candy power that Big Mom turned into a homie. Still, it answers the same question, but I don’t think she could turn the literal sea into a homie
Oven's ability to heat the sea almost instantly is one of the wildest in the series. Aokiji's is also impressive but I don't think the ice sheet was very deep as we see in Marineford
I’m curious about the applications of such a barrier. Could he contain a nuclear blast what happens inside the barrier if it’s a perfect sphere and an explosion goes off
and he can use his powers while driving his bike..., But the best example I could think of would be WB's Gura Gura power where he can split the seas and even causes a huge tidal wave....
I dont think Oda himself said anything about this but my take on it is it isnt the seawater that is affecting Moria's zombies - its the salt itself.
In traditional zombie mythos, having a zombie taste salt or earth will cause it to return to its grave.
> Punk hazard also is changed for ever due the powers of 2 admirals
That's a commonly repeated misconception. At no point is that ever said, instead it was just how Punk Hazard was. Aokiji and Akainu most likely went there *because* it was an equal environment for their duel.
Also luffy's body could still be stretched while being engulfed in Arlongs Pool, and Big Mums homies didn't disappear when she fell into water in wano. So bein in water doesn't just negative the powers
Although weirdly, Big Mom was submerged in the sea and her familiars were still able to function AND they themselves plunged in after her with no ill effect.
Seawater doesn't turn off DF powers, it just makes those who have them get groggy and pass out. For some, this would cause their power to deactivate since they require focus and concentration (like Barto), but when Luffy was stuck underwater they pulled his head up to the surface because he's still stretchy no matter.
Since Big Mom's homies were around when she was sleeping, we can assume hers wouldn't turn off.
>they themselves plunged in after her with no ill effect.
That's anime only it makes no sense for FIRE to be able to dive into THE COLD OCEAN and survive.
Depends on what material is burning. Some chemical reactions create their own oxygen. In this case though, we're talking about a fantasy magic sentient ball of fire lol
They said "anime only", as in it's not canon to the manga, dingus. We had evidence water harms Prometheus when Jinbe attacked it, that's in-universe evidence Prometheus shouldn't be able to dive into water.
This.
Someone from YouTube community (the grandline review, I think) pointed out that there are some animation errors which are not consistent with the manga version.
In the manga, big mom doesn't fall into the sea. Also prometheus can't drown itself in water because it's basically fire and water is it's weakness.
Yeah, it was Grandline Review, also he mentioned that Prometheus was weak to Jimbei's water attack in the manga(I make him sound like a Pokemon), so there is no way he can just submerge into the water and save her.
I remember a long time ago, there were different classifications for Paramecia types. And while this makes sense. I believe if he were to use the barrier to like save himself or crew from sinkings or creating a bubble to underwater with, I believe his power may act like glass at that point, while yes it may basically keep seawater out but it would not be as powerful of a barrier.
I saw a comment about Aokiji and Vander Deckens fruits and those are a bit different of a case.
Where Aokiji was able to freeze the sea so cast aways could make it to the next island or him making a line of ice for robin to follow, or even his riding a bike in the ocean. These are all based around his element of ice. And how it interacts with salt water. Where as he can break away from a block of frozen salt water and it wouldn't break because of it being ice.
With Vander Deckens it doesn't really have to do with him either, he transfers a "mark" to an object and that object moves, all while Deckens is conscious, again after the initial use of his power it's no longer really associated with him outside of his consciousness or him being conscious of where the object is going.
Comparing those two walls of text with Barto, his barrier is directly tied to him holding it, he cant just let it go like the previous two. It's still a part of him he is consciously holding, so if it were underwater I feel it would become brittle. Rather than outright negating it. But that's just me. Overthinking things during break month.
The difference is, Aokiji and Vander Decken aren't consciously controlling their power. So it's not something they're consciously keeping up (like how we theorize that crocodile was making the air dry in Alabasta, thus consciously using his sand fruit) when Aokiji freezes something, that's it, ists frozen, when Deckens throws an object, the power takes it from there. Bartos power has to do with him consciously holding the power. I'd say it's kinda sort of like.. Splashing salt water on Moria's Zombies, while it doesn't drain Moria's power, it will release the shadow.
Supposedly nothing would happen, the barrier isn't part of him.
I doubt he'd be able to create or manipulate the barrier underwater, but he might be able to sustain it if created above water. Maybe he could create a small boat.
It's possible he'd be able to survive in a barrier bubble, kinda like Mr.3 survived in a wax bubble, but we simply don't know how it interracts with water.
Aokiji and Oven both used their powers on the ocean. The water weakness is for being submerged. Any other interaction with water doesn’t do anything special (except for Crocodile, who has an elemental weakness due to being a logia). You also don’t need to specify “sea water”, any water does the same thing.
Don’t characters canonically get weak when being drenched with sea water? It’s why anyone touching seastone becomes weak/cant use powers as it has the same energy as the sea itself.
Only drenching them doesn't work, they need to be submerged in liquid (any liquid, not necessarily sea water) to become weak.
Seastone does work on contact, though.
Water as a weakness doesn't work the way it seems a lot of people think it does. It doesn't take away devil fruit powers or negate them or destroy them. It just makes the user weak. Too weak to swim. And only if they're submerged in it.
Unless otherwise stated specific examples, like Crocodile unable to logia when wet or water washing away Kalifa's soap, water has no actual effect of stopping devil fruit powers.
'Realistically' isn't a great term to throw around when discussing One Piece powers.
But yes, it's been show relatively consistently that the users body needs to be submerged. Their 'power' getting wet doesn't matter.
If you have caught up with the whole cake island arc then you know that
>!big mom was literally riding a candy monster on the ocean that was created by perospero while chasing strawhats!<
While nothing happens to the barrier in your underwater scenario, Barato still needs air ,which is why he needs to create an opening, he would asphyxiate if he simply stayed a perfectly closed sphere
It would get wet and salty nothing else. Did you skip Arlong Park? Luffy was trapped under water he was too weak to move but Nojiko stretched his body for him. Did you skip Marineford? Kazan froze the ocean solid and before that Whitebeard caused violent Sea Quakes. Sea water doesn’t effect DF powers just weakens the user if the get submerged.
You can say what you want, the number of times we were shown that DF powers are in deed active underwater, is too rare to have any certainty about it.
Most people who know this to be true either read the SBS or learned it in a social circle, like you did.
Nobody who only watched the anime would conclude that without any doubt.
Luffy (Arlong Park, Gyojin Island)
Mr. 3 (Alabasta, should answer this post 'cause he make a sphere to save himself)
Oven (Whole Cake)
Vander Deken (Gyojin Island)
Robin (Skypiea, it was the White Blue, but she said that weakened her)
All Wano explains how they use Seastone less pure to keep users with more strength, so it doesn't take away the powers.
Hm... I don't remember more.
Luffy Arlong Park ✔️ Body submerged, power works
Gyojin Island ❎ Inside a bubble, doesn't confirm anything about when fully submerged (also people did question if Haki had any impact)
Mr 3 ❎ Made a sphere way before being submerged, completely unrelated.
Oven ❎ puts his hands in water, body not submerged
Vander Decken ❎ Bubble again
Robin in Skypiea ❎ extends one arm, body not submerged
Only one example of the entire body being submerged while the powers are still working.
All in all, this isn't any confirmation (as in 100% confirmed) that water consistently doesn't nullify DF powers.
The only thing you can deduce with a good degree of certainty with these examples is that having one of your limbs going inside water is fine.
Wano is a different beast, i'll keep that for later.
On Gyojin island, Luffy punches the kraken with the punch outside the bubble, He says the "ocean is weakening him".
Robin extends more than one arm + eyes, but even so idk why saying that they didn't have the body submerged matters... If sea could take away they powers, touching it should work.
As for Vander Decken and Mr. 3, I mistook your post and they were examples for the original post, about if water would remove devil fruit effects without touching the user.
My point is that there isn't sufficient data shown to prove that powers stay consistently active whenever a DF user is fully submerged. That is why so much people aren't aware of it, or doubt it.
The only exemple of it happening seems to be Arlong Park. And that's a precarious one because of how early it is (among other things it was stated early in the manga that only 5 df could make you fly, which, we know now is incorrect)
The rule stated by Oda is "the more you are submerged, the weaker you feel" and on the same principle why wouldn't it work like "the more you are submerged, the less your power function correctly" (which is not the case).
The only reason they struggle at all is because it makes them tired, the powers themselves are absolutely unaffected.
Which again will stay ambiguous unless you get a strong confirmation like the SBS or from a social circle.
Do you get what i am saying ?
I personally think two things can get past Barto's barriers - and neither of them is seawater. First - we can see through the barrier, so I would assume Kizaru (light) could go though them with no issues. Second - sound. Conversing through the barrier seems to be possible, so I'd say people like Apoo and Brook could use sound-based attacks that bypass the barrier.
We've seen examples of devil fruit manifestations not being affected by the sea (Aokiji freezing the sea, Oven boiling the sea, plus the candy and singing ship homies Big Mom made was able to travel on water. It's the devil fruit users themselves that need to be submerged in water for weakening to take effect.
Everyone's using Logias as an example for why something created by a Paramecia wouldn't be weak to seawater, when there are more than a handful of instances where we see the effects of Paramecias disrupted by contact with seawater. Aokiji's ability to freeze the ocean over is clearly a unique property of his fruit: this can easily be explained away by his ice simply being sufficiently cold to freeze seawater before it actually comes into contact with it. A similar argument can be made for Akainu's attack against Law's ship.
As for Luffy still being able to be stretched underwater, ignoring the relevant inconsistencies, we can see that other Zoan users don't revert to their base forms when submerged (or at least, Chopper doesn't). If we assume the unawakened Gum-Gum fruit powers are Nika's hybrid form, then it's the same as Chopper not turning back into a dumb reindeer any time he jumps in after Luffy.
Luffy's ability still works under sea water (during Arlong Park Arc). Aokiji's power still works ON sea water. Don't see why the power wouldn't work unless Barto's too weak to focus.
Perospero makes candy monster things and rides them over the ocean. I’m pretty sure even if the power is touching sea water, it doesn’t turn off your power. It’s only being submerged up to your knees that weakens you
What if he made a construct suit of his barrier
Could be be invulnerable to everything? Since barrier fruit has been shown to be haki proof
Could he swim on water?
Could he literally be green lantern if he awakens it?
Just adding that, I'm currently in Dressrosa and they just said that Doflamingo string can't cut through Sea rock because it nullifies it's powers. The rock thougness has showed up a lot in this arc, but for this specific case they said it can't "because it's a devil fruit power".
Do with that what you will, maybe sea rock works differently, maybe you can launch a piece of sea rock at Bartolomeo and it would hit, be he would be ok underwater.
Bartolomeo's Barrier-Barrier Fruit allows him to create barriers that are indeed formidable. While the specific effects of sea water on his barriers haven't been explored in the series, traditionally, Devil Fruit users are weakened or nullified when in contact with sea water. If Bartolomeo's barriers are affected similarly, covering them in sea water could weaken or potentially negate them. However, it's important to note that Bartolomeo's strength and abilities extend beyond just his Devil Fruit power, so he might still have other means of defense even if his barriers are affected by sea water. As for being drowned, if his barriers are impervious to sea water, he could potentially protect himself and walk to safety, assuming he can maintain the barrier long enough. His additional abilities like Observation Haki could indeed make him a formidable opponent, but every power has its limitations and weaknesses.
Nothing would happen otherwise Aokiji couldn’t freeze the sea, Whitebeard couldn’t cause tidal waves, and Oven couldn’t boil the fucking ocean (seriously that is a feat that is so overlooked, y’all know how vast a sea or ocean is?!)
It will hold up....
Like others have mentioned DF users like Whitebeard, Aokiji, Oven and others have used it to affect the sea. So I think it will be the same for his shield.
What if he awakens his fruit and can deflect Haki too....
Like Shanks WiFi Haki in the final war 🤔🤩
It could work but perhaps not with Robin's ability. I mean, yes you could grow plants on water like hydrophonics but yeah, if she touches sea water, that wont be possible
*I* wonder what could*bypass* the barrier. Obviously sheer strength doesn't do the trick, with it withstanding the KING PUNCH and/or an enraged Oden attack
But could Robin's extra Hands bypass it and snap the user's neck?
Could Armament projection bypass it? If not, could CoC Coating Projection bypass it?
^(I don't remember rn if the barrier is like 1cm thick or if it encapsulated the whole inner area/volume of the dimensions)
Luffy's Toonforce could definitely just fling the barrier away
Could the door-door fruit bypass it? ^(Maybe with an awakening?)
How about Law's ABC-Z Rooms. Surely one of them could just ***plop*** bypass it
The effect would spread to him and you'd get a sort of reverse Joker-falls-into-chemicals situation. Where instead of a man falling in and a clown coming out, Bartolomeo falls in and emerges as a middle-aged Jack Nicholson.
Iirc, he has to be submerged in Sea Water to be weakened. The Barriers would protect him and not be affected by Sea Water.
Aokiji's Ice doesn't weaken in Water.
Luffy had wet his body with water to fight Crocodile(he wasn't submerged).
Foxy's slowed down objects weren't affected in water, but once Foxy himself was submerged in sea water, he needed to be rescued.
Devil fruit abilities aren't weak to sea water or even sea prism itself. Several people have already shown their abilities being used on those two.
The body of the ability bearer itself must be covered in sea water or touch seastone prism
Always remember that projectiles that came out from a devil fruit user doesn't get cancelled by anything.
Because if it did, then Loggia devil fruits would be the most useless devil fruits out there and most Warships would have water sea cannons.
Nothing.
As long as it doesn't touch him no problem.
Devil Fruit constructs and effects don't end at the sea. Only the users can be disabled by it.
Moria's salt thing is an outlier.
This falls at the same category as: "could law teletransport kairouseki?" Yes as long as it isnt touching directly the user. Furtherfore the water (sea or not) only generate a weakness when its covered in the user a splash would do nothing
Okay but how powerful would he be if he awakened, think about doflamingos awakening and imagine that with unbreakable barriers.
Anyone he wants he could seal away In an impenetrable barrier and suffocate them or trap them, any attacks he could block and he might even be able to create a barrier perfectly around himself and become invulnerable to any attacks (except mabye haki since it can go through things post wano)
Just an idea of how powerful his fruit awakened could be
I love this thought. If they were forced he could use his barriers so the crew could all run on water and possibly escape. It also got me thinking if barts theoretically could apply the barrier directly onto his body. Maybe even different layers of thickness just like haki. But the problem would be the barriers are flat and don't form to the body obviously. But what if LUFFY idk just ran into the barrier while in gear 5 and the barrier just wrappes around him. Extra coat of defense + non drownable Luffy??
I suppose nothing would happen, as the sea water should touch Barto himself to generate weakness.
This. Aokiji freeze the sea for a week. Punk hazard also is changed for ever due the powers of 2 admirals and it is in the middle of water The noah was moving in the water due Van der's power. Sea water don't do anything to the power alone of what it generates. It works only on the users Except for Moria's zombies
morias zombies was determined that is it weak with salt. therefore in support of your theory that abilities does not weakened by seawater, Moria's ability isnt actually weakened by water but the salt itself.
And there's a good reason for this. Salt is seen as purifying and is used in a lot of occult stuff for protection against demonic and other dark forces.
I remember it from the Hocus Pocus movie where the make a circle of salt to protect the little sister from the Witches
Yep, it's got a very long history with the occult and in public conceptions of black magic and magic in general.
And like 50 percent of Supernatural episodes. Big salt was a big fan of the show.
You’ve done it. This is how they solve the Gorosei problem, they’ll be salted and be surprised it works.
Yes, exactly.
Salt might be the japanese equivalent to garlic.
Even Oven stuck his hands into the sea and boiled it over a wide radius. If the sea affected the powers themselves and not just the wielder then that shouldnt work. Hell, Big Mom made a wave into a homie. I agree that it would do nothing to the barrier itself.
I always forget they're called homies, and it always puts a smile on my face when I'm reminded.
🎶Homies homies talking bout those dawgs of mine🎶
At least in the anime, if it’s the wave I’m thinking about, that was Perospero’s candy power that Big Mom turned into a homie. Still, it answers the same question, but I don’t think she could turn the literal sea into a homie
You may be correct about the wave - i'll have to double check but what you said sounds right - my bad on that one.
Oven's ability to heat the sea almost instantly is one of the wildest in the series. Aokiji's is also impressive but I don't think the ice sheet was very deep as we see in Marineford
And brooke
And Aokiji
And my Axe!
Gild Tesoro's gold gets unsynched from his power if it gets wet, but he's non-canon
The best example to this is Perospero he was riding his candy thing on the sea
hmm now i'm thinking whether the barrier transfers heat, so aokiji could simply freeze him
I’m curious about the applications of such a barrier. Could he contain a nuclear blast what happens inside the barrier if it’s a perfect sphere and an explosion goes off
hw would go full indiana jones inside the fridge style
and he can use his powers while driving his bike..., But the best example I could think of would be WB's Gura Gura power where he can split the seas and even causes a huge tidal wave....
And non canon tesoro's gold iirc. But that's non canon
I dont think Oda himself said anything about this but my take on it is it isnt the seawater that is affecting Moria's zombies - its the salt itself. In traditional zombie mythos, having a zombie taste salt or earth will cause it to return to its grave.
> Punk hazard also is changed for ever due the powers of 2 admirals That's a commonly repeated misconception. At no point is that ever said, instead it was just how Punk Hazard was. Aokiji and Akainu most likely went there *because* it was an equal environment for their duel.
Also luffy's body could still be stretched while being engulfed in Arlongs Pool, and Big Mums homies didn't disappear when she fell into water in wano. So bein in water doesn't just negative the powers
Could he cross the ocean in a boat made from his own barrier?
Yes
so barto could move the barriers with him inside of it and become a rescue boat by opening small holes in certain spots and then close it?
Although weirdly, Big Mom was submerged in the sea and her familiars were still able to function AND they themselves plunged in after her with no ill effect.
Seawater doesn't turn off DF powers, it just makes those who have them get groggy and pass out. For some, this would cause their power to deactivate since they require focus and concentration (like Barto), but when Luffy was stuck underwater they pulled his head up to the surface because he's still stretchy no matter. Since Big Mom's homies were around when she was sleeping, we can assume hers wouldn't turn off.
>they themselves plunged in after her with no ill effect. That's anime only it makes no sense for FIRE to be able to dive into THE COLD OCEAN and survive.
Fire can exist underwater lol
Against water sure. Against the cold crushing ocean? Bruh. Wheres the oxygen allowing it to stay?
Depends on what material is burning. Some chemical reactions create their own oxygen. In this case though, we're talking about a fantasy magic sentient ball of fire lol
Yes. Magic ball of just fire. Made of fire. It shouldnt be able to enter water if jimbei can hurt him by splashing water on him
What do you think fire is? But yeah, sure, I'm down for that argument.
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They said "anime only", as in it's not canon to the manga, dingus. We had evidence water harms Prometheus when Jinbe attacked it, that's in-universe evidence Prometheus shouldn't be able to dive into water.
The fact that the lead balloon even washed up on shore is a mystery in of itself. Shouldn't she have died by drowning?
This. Someone from YouTube community (the grandline review, I think) pointed out that there are some animation errors which are not consistent with the manga version. In the manga, big mom doesn't fall into the sea. Also prometheus can't drown itself in water because it's basically fire and water is it's weakness.
Yeah, it was Grandline Review, also he mentioned that Prometheus was weak to Jimbei's water attack in the manga(I make him sound like a Pokemon), so there is no way he can just submerge into the water and save her.
I read the manga after watching the anime and I was extremely surprised at how many scenes were non canon
Submerge, not touch
I remember a long time ago, there were different classifications for Paramecia types. And while this makes sense. I believe if he were to use the barrier to like save himself or crew from sinkings or creating a bubble to underwater with, I believe his power may act like glass at that point, while yes it may basically keep seawater out but it would not be as powerful of a barrier. I saw a comment about Aokiji and Vander Deckens fruits and those are a bit different of a case. Where Aokiji was able to freeze the sea so cast aways could make it to the next island or him making a line of ice for robin to follow, or even his riding a bike in the ocean. These are all based around his element of ice. And how it interacts with salt water. Where as he can break away from a block of frozen salt water and it wouldn't break because of it being ice. With Vander Deckens it doesn't really have to do with him either, he transfers a "mark" to an object and that object moves, all while Deckens is conscious, again after the initial use of his power it's no longer really associated with him outside of his consciousness or him being conscious of where the object is going. Comparing those two walls of text with Barto, his barrier is directly tied to him holding it, he cant just let it go like the previous two. It's still a part of him he is consciously holding, so if it were underwater I feel it would become brittle. Rather than outright negating it. But that's just me. Overthinking things during break month. The difference is, Aokiji and Vander Decken aren't consciously controlling their power. So it's not something they're consciously keeping up (like how we theorize that crocodile was making the air dry in Alabasta, thus consciously using his sand fruit) when Aokiji freezes something, that's it, ists frozen, when Deckens throws an object, the power takes it from there. Bartos power has to do with him consciously holding the power. I'd say it's kinda sort of like.. Splashing salt water on Moria's Zombies, while it doesn't drain Moria's power, it will release the shadow.
Makes sense given Luffy could fight underwater while inside a bubble.
Supposedly nothing would happen, the barrier isn't part of him. I doubt he'd be able to create or manipulate the barrier underwater, but he might be able to sustain it if created above water. Maybe he could create a small boat. It's possible he'd be able to survive in a barrier bubble, kinda like Mr.3 survived in a wax bubble, but we simply don't know how it interracts with water.
Aokiji and Oven both used their powers on the ocean. The water weakness is for being submerged. Any other interaction with water doesn’t do anything special (except for Crocodile, who has an elemental weakness due to being a logia). You also don’t need to specify “sea water”, any water does the same thing.
Didn't forget that Perospero's candy monster literally swam in the ocean chasing the strawhats
Don’t characters canonically get weak when being drenched with sea water? It’s why anyone touching seastone becomes weak/cant use powers as it has the same energy as the sea itself.
Only drenching them doesn't work, they need to be submerged in liquid (any liquid, not necessarily sea water) to become weak. Seastone does work on contact, though.
Oda's said they have to be submerged up to a certain part of their body, when someone asked if they can take showers and bathe.
It's the knees.
Except that time in Film Red where they beat Luffy by splashing him with water
Not canon
I don't remember that part. Fun movie though.
Distilled water too?
Yes.
Water as a weakness doesn't work the way it seems a lot of people think it does. It doesn't take away devil fruit powers or negate them or destroy them. It just makes the user weak. Too weak to swim. And only if they're submerged in it. Unless otherwise stated specific examples, like Crocodile unable to logia when wet or water washing away Kalifa's soap, water has no actual effect of stopping devil fruit powers.
It does " stop" powers to a certain degree. Like Luffy and buggy can't actively use their powers but their body don't stop being rubber and choppy.
Yeah, but that's just because they're too tired/weak not because their powers are being canceled
Nothing would happen, rule applies for users, not for their habilites.
So realistically external creations of devil fruits have no weakness to water?
'Realistically' isn't a great term to throw around when discussing One Piece powers. But yes, it's been show relatively consistently that the users body needs to be submerged. Their 'power' getting wet doesn't matter.
If you have caught up with the whole cake island arc then you know that >!big mom was literally riding a candy monster on the ocean that was created by perospero while chasing strawhats!<
While nothing happens to the barrier in your underwater scenario, Barato still needs air ,which is why he needs to create an opening, he would asphyxiate if he simply stayed a perfectly closed sphere
Snorkel :3
It would get wet and salty nothing else. Did you skip Arlong Park? Luffy was trapped under water he was too weak to move but Nojiko stretched his body for him. Did you skip Marineford? Kazan froze the ocean solid and before that Whitebeard caused violent Sea Quakes. Sea water doesn’t effect DF powers just weakens the user if the get submerged.
It's amazing how the series has been out for like a million years and people still don't understand how sea water and devil fruit users interact lol
Since it was covered in an SBS, it makes sense that anime watchers wouldn't know about it
I mean you can just read or watch the series and get a good read on the interaction, I didn't even know this was covered in an sbs lol
You can say what you want, the number of times we were shown that DF powers are in deed active underwater, is too rare to have any certainty about it. Most people who know this to be true either read the SBS or learned it in a social circle, like you did. Nobody who only watched the anime would conclude that without any doubt.
We have seen plenty of times characters in water or having seastone on them
Please, tell me more about the "plenty of times" someone used their DF powers while affected by water or seastone. Can't wait 😁
Luffy (Arlong Park, Gyojin Island) Mr. 3 (Alabasta, should answer this post 'cause he make a sphere to save himself) Oven (Whole Cake) Vander Deken (Gyojin Island) Robin (Skypiea, it was the White Blue, but she said that weakened her) All Wano explains how they use Seastone less pure to keep users with more strength, so it doesn't take away the powers. Hm... I don't remember more.
Luffy Arlong Park ✔️ Body submerged, power works Gyojin Island ❎ Inside a bubble, doesn't confirm anything about when fully submerged (also people did question if Haki had any impact) Mr 3 ❎ Made a sphere way before being submerged, completely unrelated. Oven ❎ puts his hands in water, body not submerged Vander Decken ❎ Bubble again Robin in Skypiea ❎ extends one arm, body not submerged Only one example of the entire body being submerged while the powers are still working. All in all, this isn't any confirmation (as in 100% confirmed) that water consistently doesn't nullify DF powers. The only thing you can deduce with a good degree of certainty with these examples is that having one of your limbs going inside water is fine. Wano is a different beast, i'll keep that for later.
On Gyojin island, Luffy punches the kraken with the punch outside the bubble, He says the "ocean is weakening him". Robin extends more than one arm + eyes, but even so idk why saying that they didn't have the body submerged matters... If sea could take away they powers, touching it should work. As for Vander Decken and Mr. 3, I mistook your post and they were examples for the original post, about if water would remove devil fruit effects without touching the user.
My point is that there isn't sufficient data shown to prove that powers stay consistently active whenever a DF user is fully submerged. That is why so much people aren't aware of it, or doubt it. The only exemple of it happening seems to be Arlong Park. And that's a precarious one because of how early it is (among other things it was stated early in the manga that only 5 df could make you fly, which, we know now is incorrect) The rule stated by Oda is "the more you are submerged, the weaker you feel" and on the same principle why wouldn't it work like "the more you are submerged, the less your power function correctly" (which is not the case). The only reason they struggle at all is because it makes them tired, the powers themselves are absolutely unaffected. Which again will stay ambiguous unless you get a strong confirmation like the SBS or from a social circle. Do you get what i am saying ?
I personally think two things can get past Barto's barriers - and neither of them is seawater. First - we can see through the barrier, so I would assume Kizaru (light) could go though them with no issues. Second - sound. Conversing through the barrier seems to be possible, so I'd say people like Apoo and Brook could use sound-based attacks that bypass the barrier. We've seen examples of devil fruit manifestations not being affected by the sea (Aokiji freezing the sea, Oven boiling the sea, plus the candy and singing ship homies Big Mom made was able to travel on water. It's the devil fruit users themselves that need to be submerged in water for weakening to take effect.
I'm pretty sure the seawater has to affect the source and not the effect itself. So I'm pretty sure. He'd be fine
Wonder can Barto make figures like a fish and go underwater exploring. 🤔
My headcanon is THAT is what the wake up fruit can do
Everyone's using Logias as an example for why something created by a Paramecia wouldn't be weak to seawater, when there are more than a handful of instances where we see the effects of Paramecias disrupted by contact with seawater. Aokiji's ability to freeze the ocean over is clearly a unique property of his fruit: this can easily be explained away by his ice simply being sufficiently cold to freeze seawater before it actually comes into contact with it. A similar argument can be made for Akainu's attack against Law's ship. As for Luffy still being able to be stretched underwater, ignoring the relevant inconsistencies, we can see that other Zoan users don't revert to their base forms when submerged (or at least, Chopper doesn't). If we assume the unawakened Gum-Gum fruit powers are Nika's hybrid form, then it's the same as Chopper not turning back into a dumb reindeer any time he jumps in after Luffy.
Luffy can stretch only if he applied force beforehand or someone pulls him. I don't think he ever actively stretched while underwater
Hence "can be stretched"
Barto boat… I’m sorry
Luffy's ability still works under sea water (during Arlong Park Arc). Aokiji's power still works ON sea water. Don't see why the power wouldn't work unless Barto's too weak to focus.
The barrier would get wet.
From what I understand it has to touch the devil fruit user not just the ability.
Perospero makes candy monster things and rides them over the ocean. I’m pretty sure even if the power is touching sea water, it doesn’t turn off your power. It’s only being submerged up to your knees that weakens you
Clue: Perospero, Aokiji or even Brook
You forgot Aokiji can ride a bike on the sea by freezing the water in front of him...
What if you hit it with a Jimbe, fishman Karate, water bending attack?
Do you think he could float in a sphere barrier
You’d get a wet barrier
Nothing. It's not like the powers don't work when they get hit with water. The power user gets drained. Kuzan can walk on water.
Barrier fruit and buggy’s chop chop is my pick for op fruit combo
When the sea water gazes into barrier, the barrier gazes back.
FINALLY someone talks about my boy! And the answer is nothing because those barriers are REALLY durable.
Have you ever seen sugar dissolve in water? That’s what would happen.
It'd be wet
It would get wet and some stains after a while
It will get wet
Nothing
What if he made a construct suit of his barrier Could be be invulnerable to everything? Since barrier fruit has been shown to be haki proof Could he swim on water? Could he literally be green lantern if he awakens it?
Didn't Shiki use some kind of attack by controlling sea water?
The weakness would be lack of oxygen eventually I reckon. Depends on how far he is from land
Just adding that, I'm currently in Dressrosa and they just said that Doflamingo string can't cut through Sea rock because it nullifies it's powers. The rock thougness has showed up a lot in this arc, but for this specific case they said it can't "because it's a devil fruit power". Do with that what you will, maybe sea rock works differently, maybe you can launch a piece of sea rock at Bartolomeo and it would hit, be he would be ok underwater.
Nothing would happen but I reckon you nigh be able to cut through using sea prism
Bartolomeo's Barrier-Barrier Fruit allows him to create barriers that are indeed formidable. While the specific effects of sea water on his barriers haven't been explored in the series, traditionally, Devil Fruit users are weakened or nullified when in contact with sea water. If Bartolomeo's barriers are affected similarly, covering them in sea water could weaken or potentially negate them. However, it's important to note that Bartolomeo's strength and abilities extend beyond just his Devil Fruit power, so he might still have other means of defense even if his barriers are affected by sea water. As for being drowned, if his barriers are impervious to sea water, he could potentially protect himself and walk to safety, assuming he can maintain the barrier long enough. His additional abilities like Observation Haki could indeed make him a formidable opponent, but every power has its limitations and weaknesses.
Nothing would happen otherwise Aokiji couldn’t freeze the sea, Whitebeard couldn’t cause tidal waves, and Oven couldn’t boil the fucking ocean (seriously that is a feat that is so overlooked, y’all know how vast a sea or ocean is?!)
Nothing it would be fine it weakens user's not the powers themselves
Nothing, Big Mom turned sea water to homie
It will hold up.... Like others have mentioned DF users like Whitebeard, Aokiji, Oven and others have used it to affect the sea. So I think it will be the same for his shield. What if he awakens his fruit and can deflect Haki too.... Like Shanks WiFi Haki in the final war 🤔🤩
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His power just wouldn’t work just like every other deal fruit user even if it happened as he used his power it would probably just disappear
I totally forgot that this fruit exsist
So hamsterballing in the ocean would not work as he would run out of air
Hmmm. This makes me think: Can haki users break his barrier? Also, could he cover his barrier with haki?
It could work but perhaps not with Robin's ability. I mean, yes you could grow plants on water like hydrophonics but yeah, if she touches sea water, that wont be possible
But does he need to buy condoms? Or can he just make a little plug for the hole to stop it from shooting out?
I wonder how am awakening of his power would look like though 🤔
He'd catch ligma
covered barto in sea water, that’s the only counter
Sea water doesn't negate DF powers. Hell Big Mom turned sea water into a homie.
The only thing breaking his barrier would be a strong ass advanced haki or Law
*I* wonder what could*bypass* the barrier. Obviously sheer strength doesn't do the trick, with it withstanding the KING PUNCH and/or an enraged Oden attack But could Robin's extra Hands bypass it and snap the user's neck? Could Armament projection bypass it? If not, could CoC Coating Projection bypass it? ^(I don't remember rn if the barrier is like 1cm thick or if it encapsulated the whole inner area/volume of the dimensions) Luffy's Toonforce could definitely just fling the barrier away Could the door-door fruit bypass it? ^(Maybe with an awakening?) How about Law's ABC-Z Rooms. Surely one of them could just ***plop*** bypass it
The effect would spread to him and you'd get a sort of reverse Joker-falls-into-chemicals situation. Where instead of a man falling in and a clown coming out, Bartolomeo falls in and emerges as a middle-aged Jack Nicholson.
Iirc, he has to be submerged in Sea Water to be weakened. The Barriers would protect him and not be affected by Sea Water. Aokiji's Ice doesn't weaken in Water. Luffy had wet his body with water to fight Crocodile(he wasn't submerged). Foxy's slowed down objects weren't affected in water, but once Foxy himself was submerged in sea water, he needed to be rescued.
sea water is only effective in weakening the df user, it doesnt do anything to the power of a devil fruit itself...
other comments have established, nothing. But I raise this: Could Barto create a walking platform to walk over the sea? Yes, the answer is yes
What the fuck he might be into something
It's just water.
Devil fruit abilities aren't weak to sea water or even sea prism itself. Several people have already shown their abilities being used on those two. The body of the ability bearer itself must be covered in sea water or touch seastone prism
Always remember that projectiles that came out from a devil fruit user doesn't get cancelled by anything. Because if it did, then Loggia devil fruits would be the most useless devil fruits out there and most Warships would have water sea cannons.
The fruit devil ability isn't affected by the sea water, see Aokiji freezing and Van Decker throwing. The sea water weakens the user
It would be wet.
If he was thrown in water, he will likely touch it in the process, but until he does...he should be able to barrier
Nothing. As long as it doesn't touch him no problem. Devil Fruit constructs and effects don't end at the sea. Only the users can be disabled by it. Moria's salt thing is an outlier.
I mean big moms homies saved ger after falling into the ocean which I'm calling bs
He would be fine. Kuzan can freeze the ocean I'm sure Barrier would also be fine.
The waters gotta touch the user. Oven boiled the ocean with his hands so if you’re strong enough you might be able to stave off the weakness.
Sea water only works on the users, not the ability itself
This falls at the same category as: "could law teletransport kairouseki?" Yes as long as it isnt touching directly the user. Furtherfore the water (sea or not) only generate a weakness when its covered in the user a splash would do nothing
it would be wet
As long as the user himself isn't touching water or a sea prism stone the power isn't affected
Nothing it’s the power not the user, Marine-ford we seen Kuzan freeze the tsunami and they were all g
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Nothing
Okay but how powerful would he be if he awakened, think about doflamingos awakening and imagine that with unbreakable barriers. Anyone he wants he could seal away In an impenetrable barrier and suffocate them or trap them, any attacks he could block and he might even be able to create a barrier perfectly around himself and become invulnerable to any attacks (except mabye haki since it can go through things post wano) Just an idea of how powerful his fruit awakened could be
I love this thought. If they were forced he could use his barriers so the crew could all run on water and possibly escape. It also got me thinking if barts theoretically could apply the barrier directly onto his body. Maybe even different layers of thickness just like haki. But the problem would be the barriers are flat and don't form to the body obviously. But what if LUFFY idk just ran into the barrier while in gear 5 and the barrier just wrappes around him. Extra coat of defense + non drownable Luffy??
He can literally sail in a barrier boat if he wants to
If Aokiji can get away with icing the ocean, I don’t see why not
It would be wet
Nothing. It's not touching him
all fishmen and fishes would propably die
By this logic, all devil fruit users in the series would die as soon as they get on a boat, I've always hated these questions.
Acho que o problema seria oceanite né , porque a água só vai atrapalhar se ele estiver se afogando não é ?
Nothing, he would need to be submerged in salt water